Fiery belt around Russia: the heat will soon flare!

The geopolitical catastrophe of the Russian civilization has by no means remained outside the frontiers of the last century, but continues today, having entered a new, even more sinister stage.

Vladimir Putin’s famous phrase on the collapse of the USSR as the largest geopolitical catastrophe of the twentieth century is perceived by many, if not most, as a fact stories, and already quite old. Like, it happened, it happened, but the thing is the past. What to worry about now?

Alas, but such a purely archival interpretation of this event has nothing to do with reality. For the very fact of the cessation of the existence of a single state, which, in fact, was a big Russia, was not the final, but strictly the opposite, the starting point of the negative processes that continue to this day. And they are becoming increasingly threatening for Russia.

First of all, we are talking about the enormous weakening of the total aggregate potential of Russian civilization, which fatally affected the place and degree of influence of Russia in the surrounding world. That is precisely on what is of key importance for the chances of any civilization not only for successful development, but even for elementary survival. The same Vladimir Putin best of all spoke about the scale of these catastrophic losses in his message to the Federal Assembly of 1 in March this year:

After the collapse of the Soviet Union, Russia, which in Soviet times was called the Soviet Union, was called by the Soviet Union abroad. If we talk about our national borders, 23,8 percent of the territory, 48,5 percent of the population, 41 percent of the gross social product lost, 39,4 percent of the industrial potential (I draw attention, almost half), 44,6 percent of military potential in connection with the division of the Armed Forces of the USSR between the former Soviet republics.

Immediately after the collapse of the USSR, the loss of this enormous potential did not seem so catastrophic. It was believed that international structures of the CIS type, created on the site of the Union, plus the traditional closeness of the peoples of the former Soviet republics, not to mention the enormous intertwining of kinship ties, would not allow them to disperse too far. And all this will somehow be boiled in one pot under the auspices of the same Russia.

Today we see that everything turned out to be far from the exact opposite. The interstate structures of the CIS type, created “in continuation of the USSR”, turned out to be mostly purely decorative, and their activity was reduced mainly to magnificent “summits” to demonstrate the ostentatious closeness of the leaders to the people. And to the production of mountains of bureaucratic waste paper about a good life. In fact, even the highest form of such integration, the Union State of the Russian Federation and Belarus, exists mainly on paper.

The ruling elites of the new "independent powers", in essence, the medieval feudal clans, who received in their possession huge lands of land, along with millions of "serfs", as it turned out, have nothing to do with objective economic laws that urgently demanded the preservation and development of the common industrial and commercial space , as well as cooperative relations of the former parts of a whole. For them, the most important was the maximum separation of these parts from each other - the most reliable guarantee of retaining their own control over them. The interests of their peoples, who as a result of this scattering into national apartments were in fact deprived of a sufficient economic base of existence, did not care at all about the rulers. Die so die out, then do not fit into a market economy. He himself does not need so many slaves who still need to be fed. Hence the colossal loss of life of the republics of the former USSR.

But this is not the end of the division with Russia. After the installation of border fences and the rupture of economic ties, it was the turn to completely uproot everything that otherwise connected these peoples with Russia. Naturally, the Russians themselves were the first to be hit. They instantly became undesirable persons in these “liberated” territories and began to push them out of there by all means. And even from those places where, in words, to the Russians, the attitude seems to be the best. My Moscow Region acquaintances, ordinary hard-working Russian people, left Kazakhstan, yes, the most friendly, officially allied RF fragment of the USSR (!), As early as the end of 90 due to, as they say, the unbearable attitude of the local national -worked A woman who by profession is an absolutely peaceful person - a hairdresser, struck me with the fact that even today she speaks of her oppressors there with undisguised hatred. And he says that if she had a gun, she would have found use for him. And this is about the most "peaceful and tolerant to the Russians" Kazakhstan!

What then to say about Moldova, where in the early 90-ies the Romanians, scalded by the unbridled Russophobic propaganda, went to war against the local Russian population under the slogan: “Suitcase, station, Russia!” About Georgia, in which nationalism was brought to such boiling water, that this tiny republic could not get along not only with the Russians, but even with its own suburbs: Abkhazia and South Ossetia! About the Baltic States, where they instantly made the heroes of the Nazi warriors of local nationalities simply because the best fighters against Russia and the Russians were not found in their curtsy story.

Where there were most Russians, for example, in Ukraine, local feudal lords had to sweat. But even there they quite successfully cope. At first they took advantage of the naivety inherent in the whole of our people, brought up with full confidence in the "party and government." But then there was the Soviet government, not a gangster, as it is now. And they swelled him in the most foul way.

As a result, from the population of Ukraine, which literally just (in March 1991 of the year) voted by an overwhelming majority (under 80%) for the preservation of a single country, the USSR, with the help of a completely crazed propaganda such as “Moskali zyly our fat!” knocked out the exact opposite result in the referendum on the independence of Ukraine. And they fooled so cunningly that people still think that they voted for Ukraine as part of the Union!

I can proudly say that I was one of the few who did not succumb to this intoxication. And right in the voting booth he put the emblem of the USSR on the ballot. Surely it was considered invalid on this basis. But it did not matter. New feudal lords could draw any result that pleases them, no one would have checked anyway.

Then the barbaric defeat of the economic basis of the existence of Ukraine began. I will not go far. As an Odessa journalist and television reporter, I saw with my own eyes the destruction of almost all the major industrial and transport enterprises in Odessa, which had a meaning of existence only in the presence of a large union state. These are the heavy crane-building plant, the precision machine tool plant, the agricultural machine-building plant, the Black Sea Shipping Company, the system of sea ports of Ukraine, dozens of other enterprises and scientific research institutes (Temp rocket design bureau, the Institute of Space Television) linked into a single all-union complex. All this was ruthlessly destroyed, and people, across Ukraine, millions of the most educated specialists and experienced production workers were thrown out as trash, carrying bags of junk from Turkey.

Today in Ukraine the most advanced and most dangerous stage of this operation has arrived, the elimination is the complete destruction of the historical memory of the local population. Dangerous for Kiev feudal lords precisely because it is entirely connected with Russia. And, of course, the destruction of the Russian language and Russian culture as the main bearers of this hostile memory and mentality of the feudal regime. The task is extremely difficult and almost overwhelming. But in ideal laboratory conditions that arose after the Russophobic seizure of power by the Nazi renegades, and with unlimited time for its implementation, it is completely solvable.

It will take another 15-20 years. The generation that remembers how it really was before will go away. And the mass and unhindered industrial production of ukrobolvanchik, such as bydlopitekov or Ivanov, who do not remember the relationship, will begin. For which the “mother-motherland” will be America, and Russia - the eternal and hated enemy, which should be destroyed. Even at the cost of the destruction of Ukraine itself.

Approximately the same thing happens in all the other suburbs of the former Soviet Union and the former historical Russia. Here, for example, writes about the situation in yet another still waters, Turkmenistan, these days the Russian press:

As reported by RIA "News”A source in the republic, today the Russian language can be heard only in the capital, Ashgabat, the Russian schools are closed except for one. Career in government bodies for non-titular people is extremely difficult. Turkmenistan becomes part of the Muslim world, forgetting the Russian and Soviet past. Signs throughout the country - only in the local language and English, the system of Soviet education is lost, and with it - massive bilingualism.
“An entire generation has already grown up that does not speak Russian at all. There are still some secondary schools in some cities, where classes with instruction in Russian are preserved. But very many educational institutions were simply eliminated, and quietly, in the 1990-s. Just passed the team does not recruit in the first class of Russian-speaking. And after 10 years, schools turned into national ones, ”said local resident Vladimir.

What is happening now in almost all the so-called national republics, these detached pieces of Russian territory, which in most cases never had even their own statehood on a historically significant scale, has one and very clear common denominator. This is a total and final sweep of everything that somehow relates to the Russian civilization and to the historical borders of Russia.

And where they are still trying to resist, brute force is used. Like, for example, today in the same Armenia. Relatively pro-Russian government which became the object of aggression of the next Maidan. Which is so abundantly financed and supplied with trained personnel trained in special schools of the CIA of the USA, which may well win even against the fundamental national interests of the Armenian people. For which an alliance with Russia is a matter of national survival.

The purpose of all this is absolutely obvious. After the completion of this process, Russia will never be able to return its marginal territories in a natural, non-violent way. That is, through the preservation of a common spiritual, cultural, economic space and historical heritage. All this just will not. This fully meets the interests of the local feudal elites, who, in this way, even if at the cost of enormous losses for their own people, secure for themselves the territories and herds of bonded taxies that have been torn away from Russia. And to an even greater extent, this corresponds to the interests of Russia's geopolitical opponents, who have a vested interest in ensuring that it remains forever in its current cut-off, extremely disadvantaged form.

But that's not all. The extreme economic incapacity of the former parts of one whole that have fallen off from Russia makes them permanently unstable entities whose authorities are objectively interested in having an external enemy to justify their own anti-people rule. That is why in the current “national reserves” there is created an extremely favorable ground for fomenting anti-Russian hysteria, which in some places has already reached the stage of armed confrontation. This is the situation in Moldova, Georgia, Ukraine.

In the future, all these so-called republics, by the combined efforts of local thieves ’elites and covering them, pursuing their own anti-Russian interests of the West, can be turned into bastions of the most militant Russophobia along the entire perimeter of Russian borders. Such a fiery belt around the remnants of Russia will become the next stage of the geopolitical catastrophe of which Vladimir Putin is talking. Almost 50% of the population of the former Soviet Union can be turned into hordes of new barbarians filled with hatred towards Russia, which will be used by the West to invade the current RF from all directions. That is why I affirm that, unfortunately, that catastrophe did not remain in the past century, but continues to grow right before our eyes.

Comments

[Same lech]

This is a total and final sweep of everything that somehow relates to Russian civilization and to the historical borders of Russia.

The reason is simple ... I think it is a weak economy ... dependence on the US financial system and low standard of living of ordinary citizens of RUSSIA ... obvious things.
How can we attract neighbors to our side. .. for now ... writing off billions of debts to our country by him only worsened the situation ... what other options are there ... so far none.
It is necessary to make our country and, above all, our people a rich and prosperous people ... and there are still problems with this ... big problems.

[Tatyana]

The article is correct. But the trouble is that m / l teaching, with its philosophical dialectical-materialistic method, became for the people the so-called "closed technologies" of designing and transforming the world. In the USSR, this happened by order "from above" - ​​under Gorbachev - in 1986. The teaching of the diamat turned into a pro forma, and the assimilation of the people came to naught, or its complete denial. Now we are forced to return to this method as a guide to action with a great delay, albeit with an urgent need for our own survival.

V.I. Lenin taught that every national question must always be resolved precisely from class positions.
Inflating your nat. Questions is always an attribute - an inalienable property - of the class struggle of the national bourgeoisie, its individual representatives for their private property, for their personal super-profits, for their personal capital, for the markets for their products - for their economic dominance, for their personal political power. And plays a significant role in this regard. artificially imposing its national language on other peoples.

Thanks to the imposition of its national language on other nations, the whole nationalizing nation is automatically drawn into the struggle of the national bourgeoisie for its national sovereignty at the irrational, subconscious level. At the same time, the separatist movement of the nationalizing nation in a multinational state assumes an asocial character.
Thus, the fanning of nationalism, no matter what particular forms it manifests, ultimately turns into a struggle of the nationalizing nation as a whole. That is, it is an attempt by representatives of a given nationality to enrich themselves at someone else’s expense, at the expense of representatives of other nationalities, excluding them from equal participation with them in the shared section of the aggregate multinational public property in the country, and especially on the means of production and land, thereby reducing the number of people participating in the section. Swollen bourgeois nationalism is disgusting because, in fact, its is a policy of robbery by one people of all other peoples. And an extremely radical asocial manifestation of this nationalism is racism followed by apartheid.

[Tatyana]

If we say that the main question of building any state is the question of power, then with respect to building a multinational state, it should be said that the main national question of building any MULTI-national state is the question: “What nationality does the multinational state head? Or representatives of what nationality dominate the power and managerial state structures? ”
It should be noted at the same time that the desire for power is a purely motivated behavior of people. It is motivated by the desire of people to personally organize, distribute and protect property themselves.
The very concept of ownership (based on a materialistic solution to the fundamental question of philosophy in dialectical materialism) does not exist by itself - without its own material carrier. And the material carrier of the concept of property is people with their natural biological and social needs, with their class and national mentality. Indeed, if there are no people, then there is no concept of ownership. I.e “Ownership” is primarily an ideological concept. It is called upon to form, that is, to educate, the consciousness of people in such a way that it corresponds to the prevailing type of historically achieved production relations in society and the nature of traditions encompassing relations in people at home, in the family. Therefore, since the concept of property is an ideological concept, the concept derived from it - the concept of ownership of property - can sometimes be purely illusory. This means that people can be easily deceived in matters of property. An example in this regard is the anti-people predatory scam advertised by the Yeltsin Social Democratic government with vouchers, MMM pyramids, etc.
The same applies to Russian national reserves in foreign banks, which may disappear for depositors at any time.
But the subject of "ownership" is always real things. These are primarily material (natural and production) values, and then spiritual values, with the help of which people, a nation can not only survive, but also develop, prosper, and enjoy life.
Thus, in general, the concept of property as a category that describes consciousness inevitably reflects all the norms of patrimonial, religious, national and class law, which are legally and morally enshrined in society. But since the material carrier of the concept of property is still the man himself, people who in their public behavior can proceed from their purely personal idea, understanding of the concept of property, alternative to the generally accepted, then the ruling classes, dominant nations have a need for power structures that force the obstinate person or national alien will submit to supreme authority. So, in short, there is a need for power and desire for it.
In other words, not every nation, not every nation is capable of building a socially just multinational state.
Hence, Russophobia - in the transition to capitalism - in all its manifestations in the post-Soviet space.

[Tatyana]

the very fact of the cessation of the existence of a single state, which, in fact, was big Russia, became not the final, but quite the opposite, the starting point of negative processesthat continue to this day. And they are acquiring an increasingly threatening character for Russia.

I will add to this author’s words that a time bomb for the collapse of the USSR from the inside in the form of a “starting point for negative processes was laid back during the Great October Revolution of 1917 and during the formation of the USSR, when the Bolsheviks divided administratively-territorial Soviet Russia into on the basis of the so-called “titular nationality”, and at the request of Lenin, ethnic Russians were eliminated as the state of the forming people of the historically primordial Russian state of the Russian Empire under the far-fetched pretext of all the organs of Soviet power. The result was not just a socialist revolution in Russia, but also a geopolitical nationalist coup Soviet Russia from the state of the historically primordial Russian people, which took other peoples under their protection and protection, has thus turned into a state into a state of national minorities.

On the one hand, the Russian people, who believed in the communist idea of ​​the Bolshevik-Leninists, and, being the bearer of a sovereign mentality, really built up socialism on all fronts of social construction throughout the country as a whole of its multinational homeland. As a matter of fact, he had no choice but to do anything. But at the same time, on the other hand, in the former tsarist national suburbs, where feudal relations still prevailed and there was no own national proletariat, power was gained from the Bolshevik-Leninists and under their control by the petty national bourgeoisie and former local feudal lords. National industry was built by the hands of the Russian and Russian-speaking peoples. Moreover, everything that was truly created national during the years of Soviet power in the once backward tsarist national suburbs - national republics - is only the local national party and Soviet bureaucracy, as well as the national creative intelligentsia that serves it (social scientists, writers, artists etc.). This national party and Soviet intelligentsia objectively retained the national bourgeois-feudal mentality not only in relation to their own working people, but also in relation to the Russians who came to “hunch on them” up to the time of the so-called Gorbachev “new thinking”.
Thus, national problems in the Soviet Union were not only from the very beginning of Soviet power, but also had a national-bourgeois class character in relation to the Russian people. The counter-bourgeois coup in the USSR as a whole only raised national bourgeois deformations that had already taken place from the bottom to the surface during the construction of socialism in Russia, which the Soviet leadership tried not to publicize.

[credo]

Quote: Tatiana

The counter-bourgeois coup in the USSR as a whole only raised national bourgeois deformations that had already taken place from the bottom to the surface during the construction of socialism in Russia, which the Soviet leadership tried not to publicize.

Please specify when a counter-bourgeois coup occurred in the USSR.

[andj61]

Quote: Tatiana

Thus, national problems in the Soviet Union were not only from the very beginning of Soviet power, but also had a national-bourgeois class character in relation to the Russian people. Counter bourgeois the coup in the USSR as a whole merely raised the national-bourgeois deformations that had already taken place during the construction of socialism in Russia, which the Soviet leadership tried not to publicize.

Maybe the counter-bourgeois coup was not in the USSR, but anti-socialist?

[Tatyana]

credo
Please specify when a counter-bourgeois coup occurred in the USSR.

andj61 (Andrey)
Maybe the counter-bourgeois coup was not in the USSR, but anti-socialist?

Counter-coup means a coup d'état carried out in order to restore the former power.
The counter-bourgeois coup is a coup d'etat carried out with the aim of restoring the former power of the bourgeoisie in a socialist country.

The counter-bourgeois coup was secretly laid down in Soviet Russia in 1917 and carried out openly in 1991 in the USSR. Well, you can call it anti-socialist, but then we kind of lose sight of its beginning in 1917.

[andj61]

Quote: Tatiana

Counter-coup means a coup d'état carried out in order to restore the former power.
The counter-bourgeois coup is a coup d'etat carried out with the aim of restoring the former power of the bourgeoisie in a socialist country.

Counter, counter - means against - and nothing more. Counter-bourgeois means against the bourgeoisie - it is either socialist or feudal.

Counter ... counter ...
Counter ..., counter ... (from Lat. Contra - against), an integral part of many complex words, indicating the opposite or opposition to something, the opposition to the concept expressed in the second part of the word, for example counter-revolution, counterintelligence, counterattack. In music, the prefix K ... means "an octave lower."
Great Soviet Encyclopedia. - M .: Soviet Encyclopedia. 1969 — 1978.

Therefore, you should not ascribe to the word "counter-bourgeois" meanings that it cannot have, moreover, purely according to the rules of the Russian language. Based on the meaning of your proposal, instead of the phrase "counter-bourgeois coup" you had to use the phrase "bourgeois counter-coup" - the letters are all the same, but the meaning changes radically!

[nikvic46]

I am not interested in what kind of coup was in the USSR. But why did you have to stop
sell businesses.? For the fact that the chief sealed the entrance to his workshop, he was fired.
Obviously, this coup was committed to the collapse of not only the USSR, but also Russia.

[zoolu350]

I’m already tired of explaining that the Leninist structure of the USSR is not a mine, but a brilliant weapon of expansion that allows you to cross France with Chukotka. But this system does not work during discharges, it is focused only on the offensive.

[Bakht]

Well, actually it was just a mine. Lenin's plan. A man like Stalin understood this. But he did not dare to argue with Lenin. And Krupskaya pushed this idea. According to rumors (the phrase is not documented), Stalin once said, "Because of this bl..and Krupskaya had to create a bastard USSR instead of the Russian state"

[zoolu350]

But it didn’t come to you why Stalin, having all power, after the liquidation of Lenin’s encirclement, did not change the structure of the USSR, although he had all the tools for this? Because he carried out EXPANSION, and for this the Leninist structure of the USSR was most suitable.

[Bakht]

You have strange knowledge of the history of your country.
The USSR was created during the life of Lenin. True, he was practically incapacitated. But his entourage in the person of Bukharin, Krupskaya and others carried a lot of weight. But Stalin at that time did not possess real power. The position of the Secretary General at that time was purely administrative. And he never argued with Lenin.
About the "expansion" you are very mistaken. What was the reason for the differences between Stalin and Trotsky? Stalin headed for "building socialism in one country." But Trotsky wanted a "world revolution." That is, it was precisely Trotsky who raved about "expansion." Stalin defeated the Trotskyists and saying that Stalin wanted a "world revolution", which means turning the entire history of the USSR upside down.
Quote from Stalin:
“... the party sees our revolution as a socialist revolution, as a revolution, representing an independent forcecapable of fighting the capitalist world, whereas Opposition sees our revolution as a free app for the futurethat has not yet won the proletarian revolution in the West ”

[Bakht]

Stalin's letter to Lenin about national republics

In a letter, Stalin pointed out that the game of national independence, which the Bolsheviks were forced to go into during the years of the Civil War, should immediately end. National republics should be firmly subordinated to Moscow, reduced to the level of Russian autonomies, and then completely eliminated, if possible creating a single unitary Soviet state.
Otherwise, Stalin warned, the socialist state will face trouble:
“We are experiencing such a developmental period ... when the young generation of Communists on the outskirts refuses to understand the game of independence as a game, stubbornly taking words about independence at face value and also stubbornly demanding that we implement the letters of the constitutions of independent republics ... If now we do not try to adapt the form of the relationship between the center and the outskirts to an actual relationship, by virtue of which the outskirts in all must unconditionally obey the center, then ... in a year it will be incomparably more difficult to defend the unity of the Soviet republics».
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The creation of the Soviet Union was a compromise between Stalin and Lenin. After lengthy discussions, which often turned into real fights and brawls (once the Stalinist Comrade Ordzhonikidze filled the face of the leader of the Georgian Communists, Comrade Mdivani), a draft union treaty was developed.
The union center retained the functions of a common foreign policy, a common economic space, and the construction of unified armed forces. A common allied citizenship was also introduced.
The republican authorities remained a priority in resolving a number of issues of domestic policy. Lenin also managed to push through the provision on the right of the republics to self-determination and secession from the Union.

[Bakht]

And in addition to the "expansion" of the USSR in the 30s.
It was a fun time in Europe. The end of the 20s. - beginning of the 30s. The uprising of the Communists in Spain, the labor uprising in Austria, the march on Rome, the struggle of the Communists with the Nazis in Germany. In France, the Popular Front comes to power. And in none of these events did Stalin give the slightest support to the revolutionary movements. What does not look strange if you know well his point of view on the revolution in the country. In any country.
The USSR supported Spain in a civil war. But if you remember that all the gold reserves of Spain migrated to the USSR and all support was paid for with Spanish gold, then much will become clear. As soon as the gold ended, so did the support. Ignacio Cisneros' book “Changing the Course” as he negotiated with Stalin and Voroshilov. But he was the commander of the Spanish Air Force. Litigation over Spanish gold lasted until the mid-60s

[your1970]

Quote: Bakht

And in none of these events Stalin did not give the slightest support revolutionary movements.

Have you ever seen a history textbook?
about the "Spartak" movement, about R. Luxemburg and K. Liebknecht heard? about the Communist (Third) International, where it was created and whose money did his work??
about direct financing of CPV and trade unions of Great Britain?
“Pollitt also supported the request for financial assistance to the Fife trade union. This appeal of the British Communists was examined at a meeting of the VKP (b) delegation at the ECCI on December 14, 1928, with a certificate of paramount importance, which attaches to the events at the top echelons of power of the USSR in the miners' unions Scotland, it was that the Secretary General of the CPSU (b) Joseph Stalin and the Secretary of the All-Union Central Council of Trade Unions (AUCCTU), a member of the Politburo of the CPSU (b) Mikhail Tomsky, participated in the decision on this issue. “The Fife Miners' Union of £ 6. For that time it was a very large sum, and such financial assistance should have significantly strengthened the leadership and the entire union of the Fife miners."
and this is not the first or last case ...

They gave money to everyone - who proclaimed revolutionary goals.
Just find the Soviet history textbook - there is a lot written about it
Tanks / planes - yes, they gave only to Spain, but grandmas to everyone

[zoolu350]

Quote: Bakht

And in addition to the "expansion" of the USSR in the 30s.
It was a fun time in Europe. The end of the 20s. - beginning of the 30s. The uprising of the Communists in Spain, the labor uprising in Austria, the march on Rome, the struggle of the Communists with the Nazis in Germany. In France, the Popular Front comes to power. And in none of these events did Stalin give the slightest support to the revolutionary movements. What does not look strange if you know well his point of view on the revolution in the country. In any country.
The USSR supported Spain in a civil war. But if you remember that all the gold reserves of Spain migrated to the USSR and all support was paid for with Spanish gold, then much will become clear. As soon as the gold ended, so did the support. Ignacio Cisneros' book “Changing the Course” as he negotiated with Stalin and Voroshilov. But he was the commander of the Spanish Air Force. Litigation over Spanish gold lasted until the mid-60s

Do you have cognitive dissonance? They themselves described the support of the USSR for various left movements in Europe and the world. And this is expansion. Stalin knew how to play with the owners of the Fed, not only on equal terms, but often left them in the cold.

[zoolu350]

I explain to you. The course towards "building socialism in one country" is the antithesis of the course of the owners of the Fed "Grad on the Hill", and not a rejection of expansion. Its essence lies in the fact that the population of the enemy camps, seeing the power, advancement and wealth of the opposite side, begins to actively participate in the change of the political regime at home.

[free]

Rumors leave bazaar women.

[credo]

Quote: Tatiana

In other words, not every nation, not every nation is capable of building a socially just multinational state.
Hence, Russophobia - in the transition to capitalism - in all its manifestations in the post-Soviet space.

It is interesting whether it’s personally your thoughts or you simply retype the university abstract here. Russophobia in the republics of Central Asia of the former USSR did not have any soil, since the Russians had never occupied the leading positions in these republics in the USSR and certainly did not own the wealth there. The same thing happened in the republics of the Baltic states and Transcaucasia when they were part of the USSR. However, even in the USSR, with its socialist and communist slogans of freedom, equality and the brotherhood of Russophobia, even then there was and its sources must most likely be sought both within the USSR and outside the USSR without reducing everything to banal capitalism.

[Tatyana]

Quote: credo

It is interesting whether it’s personally your thoughts or you simply retype the university abstract here.

Yes, these are my thoughts. Moreover, these are excerpts from my central report at the Russo scientific and practical conference, closed in April 1995, dedicated to the beginning of the first Russian war with Dudaev's Ichkeria in 1995. This 5-hour conference was attended by 19 parties and social movements, including representatives of Muslim faiths and the Russian Orthodox Church, consisting of 165 people. Since 2010, one copy is available from the GDP. One is stored in registered form in the Russian Obrnauk.
You can find the full text of the report in my work:
Zueva T.F. Russian question. National crisis and democracy: the administrative-territorial structure of Russia. - SPb .: publishing house. A.S. Suvorin of the Union of Writers of Russia, 1995. - 32 p.
In electronic and physical form, this work is available, for example, in the Russian National Library.

[Pax tecum]

The restoration of the Union is impossible precisely because the national republics showed themselves from the very bad side during the "divorce" - the genocide of Russians.
This is not forgotten, for this you need to seriously answer.
Never having full statehood, many appeared only thanks to the Russians.
Russians should already begin to build their national state. There was a chance - New Russia. But, the Kremlin is desperately afraid of strengthening the Russians, and therefore will liquidate the new national entity in the cradle of Russian civilization, its leaders ...
Russia should be a unitary state, with administrative borders, not national ones.
Maybe someone forgot the Caucasus, Tatarstan, Bashkiria and other national minorities at the beginning of the 1990's who were soiled from Yeltsin’s sovereignty.
Ethno-confessional environment, the unity of the cultural code, faith - this is the resource for uniting one Russian people into a single whole.

And then the words of V. Putin about the USSR will be more correctly perceived.
"He who does not regret the collapse of the USSR does not have a heart. And he who wants to restore it in its former form does not have a head."

[zoolu350]

Restoration of the Union is possible with an Idea, Plan, Will and Resources. The beginning is the trial of participants in the Bialowieza conspiracy and their execution for High Treason. The only thing I agree with is that the former republics of the USSR, stupidly in bulk, should not be attached. The opportunity is part of the Great Eurasian Socialist Empire, it will be necessary for them to earn sweat and blood. But the establishment in all republics of the USSR of pro-Russian regimes and the layer of their support in the lower classes is necessary in any case. Of course, after the destruction of the power of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation.

[Not in the system]

The USSR does not need to be restored to its original form. First you need to make a normal state out of Erefia. The standard of living of the country's population and its number would increase significantly if a program was implemented to increase wages several times in accordance with the number of children born: a healthy child is born in the family - the salary of a working parent doubles, the second three times from the original , the third - four times, etc. Parents would have an incentive to work, take care of their own health and the health of their children, their education, etc. Introduce closing technologies (the standard of living will again increase significantly). The rest of the former territories themselves will begin to stretch back. But it will already be necessary to take them back with the condition: they will join the state only if they recognize themselves Russian by nationality, language, culture and accept the Russian way of life, renouncing their own. Otherwise - walk on your own and do not dare to climb into our country.

[iouris]

Quote: Tatiana

not every nation, not every nation is capable of building a socially just multinational state.

No nation is capable of building a socially just multinational state. A nation is formed in the process of the formation of capitalism. It is during the period of initial accumulation that it is urgently necessary to grab more, fence off and if not physically destroy, then at least minimize the competitiveness of another, for example, under the pretext of the “wrong” nationality. Therefore, the counter-revolution "from above" in 1985-1991 galvanized the extreme form of the ideology of petty-bourgeois nationalism - Nazism in the post-Soviet space.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: iouris

the extreme form of the ideology of petty-bourgeois nationalism is Nazism in the post-Soviet space

What, what? Explain, be kind.

[dSK]

Quote: Tatiana

Lenin taught that every national issue should always be resolved precisely with class positions.

Hello Tatyana Fedorovna! for modern scientific developments who should be hegemonic? Again the working class?

[Tatyana]

Quote from dsk

according to modern scientific developments, who should be the hegemon? Again the working class?

Now it looks a little different. First you need to understand and solve the Russian national question in the Russian Federation and neighboring countries. Namely.

Classics m / l indicated that Ch. the question of building any state is the question of power, and they have always resolved this question from a class standpoint.
However, at the same time, from a methodological point of view, one must be aware that the division of society into exploiting and exploited classes is only abstract, conditional. This means that all real people living in society, regardless of their nationality, age, gender, etc., are conditionally divided among themselves into two large groups according to only one specific attribute, namely with respect to social means of production and earth. All other distinguishing features are not taken into account.
This abstraction is performed in the same way as the concept of “material point” is introduced in mechanics. Moreover, when a real physical body is conditionally (by agreement) abstracted to the concept of a “material point”, then of all the properties of this real physical one. The body takes into account only its mass and the position of its center of gravity in space, and the dimensions of the body, etc. not taken into account.
In m / l theory, the conditional, abstract division of society into exploiting and exploited classes allowed the introduction of such a concept as "proletarian internationalism" into public consciousness. On this study of the classics of national problems in a socialist state in m / l theory was over.
However, the dialectical method itself suggests the metaphysical limitations of such a study of society. In dialectical materialism there is a principle that in the absolute single refers to another single as dialectical opposites, if only because single - this is something that exists separately from each other. And according to the law of unity and struggle of opposites, contradictions can arise between them. This principle and law also applies to relations between entire nations, nations.
Thus, succeeding all the achievements m / l. theory, we with historical inevitability go beyond the limits created by the classics of its scientific boundaries in the study of the laws of social development.
If we say that Ch. the question of building any state is the question of power, then with respect to the construction of a MULTENNATIONAL state, it should be said that Ch. the national question of building any MANY state-va is the question - “The people of what nationality is led by this multinational. state? Or representatives of which nationalities dominate the imperious and managerial state. structures? " For every nation, every nation in the process of its historic. formation and development, starting from tribal tribes, created their own ideological. the system of the concept of property, expressed, as a rule, in the system of one's own national religious views. Moreover, the more the religion of the people, the nation has historically retained its original tribal egoistic interests, the more aggressive the attitude of this people, this nation towards other peoples and nations regarding the recognition of the right of these other peoples and nations to their share of property in a multinational state; all the same, representatives of this nation, committed to their religion, are capable of building a multinational community. socially fair state.
In other words, following their religion, not every nation, not every nation is capable of building a socially just multinational. state of. There are peoples, nations, which, due to the ethnic isolation of their nat. mentality is fundamentally incapable of this, and does not even strive for it. If they are put in power, then, in the end, they will collapse and destroy their multinational. Fatherland. Therefore, the creative will free. mission in building multinational. socially fair state does not belong to all peoples, but rather, it is characteristic of different peoples to varying degrees. Therefore, the return of peoples to the fold of their national religions from the point of view of the need to build a multinational state is not always a blessing. As a rule, this is accompanied by a bloody regression of society.
This is exactly what was behind the scenes m / l. theory embodied during the Vel. Oct .. social. revolution in Russia in 1917 and during the construction of the Soviet state.
Speaking about democracy as the basis of the revival of Russia as a multinational socially just state, the main national question is extremely important - “What nationality representatives now dominate in the power and management structures of the Russian Federation? Representatives of what nationality are responsible for the collapse of the USSR (Russia) for the national catastrophe, especially of the Russian people, and then of other peoples of Russia? ” In addition, if you really revive Russia as a multinational state, then you should determine: what nationality would it be realistic to rely on now? And to what extent? What nationality is now capable of leading democracy as the basis for the revival of Russia?
At the same time, one cannot but pay attention to the unbridled company of Russophobia that developed in the country during the years of "perestroika" on the part of the Gorbachev-Yeltsin-Gaidar social democrats who came to power. For Russophobia, in geopolitical terms, logically a priori (that is, in advance) denies the very expediency of reviving Russia as a historically established multinational state of the primordially Russian people, and in any form: socialist, capitalist, feudal. In this regard, the scientifically substantiated formulation of the Russian question is objectively relevant: “Does the Russian people have the right to their statehood? And where is the Russian land for this? ”
These are the questions that the proletarians of other non-Russian peoples must answer. And living at the expense of Russia, starting in 1917, they now no longer recognize the right of the Russian people. The time for this has historically been lost.

[rkkasa xnumx]

Quote: Tatiana

Speaking about democracy as the basis of the revival of Russia as a multinational socially just state, the main national question is extremely important - “What nationality representatives now dominate in the power and management structures of the Russian Federation? What nationality is responsible for the collapse of the USSR "(Russia) for the national catastrophe, first of all, of the Russian people, and then already of other peoples of Russia?”

In Russian. It is obvious. It is enough to see who the majority of the leaders of the USSR were by nationality in the late 80s.
Therefore, according to your theory, Russians are not able to:

Quote: Tatiana

build socially fair multinational. state of.

Jews with Poles and Caucasians at the beginning of the XNUMXth century turned out to be capable, but Russian could not do it. Bluefoot, what to take from them.

[Tatyana]

Quote: rkkasa 81

Jews with Poles and Caucasians at the beginning of the XNUMXth century turned out to be capable, but Russian could not do it. Bluefoot, what to take from them.

Something you wrote some nonsense. Namely.
In your example, you are talking about countries and regions in which other nations are already titular nationalities. They already have their own statehood, i.e. its own national representation in power. And in what Russian document did you see the mention of the Russian people as the titular people of their country?
Zhirinovsky once correctly said that all the titular peoples have their own national "apartments", except for the Russian people, and that in this regard, among the peoples of Russia, the Russian people stomp in Russia, as in the hallway of their country. And if the Russian people are not collectively represented in the government from the state point of view, then there is simply nowhere for them to vote and then they have no opportunity to defend their national interests in front of other titular peoples and nationalities within the entire state. In any case, in such an opportunity, the Russian people are strictly limited.
In the USSR, for such things, there was at least the Council of Nationalities, which in the Russian Federation was prudently abolished and now it is not. There were discussed and resolved ethnic issues in the country. Now there is no such platform.
Russian parties and Russian national public organizations are also prohibited in fact.
And what does it mean? The fact that the Russian people do not have their own coordinated national representation in power.
Therefore, Russians live poorer than national minorities. Take, for example, subsidized areas! A lot and when the devastated Russian regions received subsidies in comparison with the "titular" regions? And how in the titular regions are these subsidies distributed at the international level? Why are Russian schools and the teaching of the Russian language closed in the same Tatarstan? And who is pursuing this policy in power?

You try to raise now the Russian question in our country! Spend years if you are not immediately fired from work, or if you don’t get jailed for anything.
In power, something is not very audible voices in defense of Russian as a state of the forming people on the part of national minorities! The chauvinistic "elites" of national minorities locally do not want to share power with the Russian people, and they are not able to maintain unity in Russia, because they themselves are not self-sufficient for this. Therefore, the Russian Federation will fall apart if the peoples of Russia cannot understand this.

[rkkasa xnumx]

Quote: Tatiana

In your example, you are talking about countries and regions in which other nations are already titular nationalities.

In his example, about socially fair multinational. state of. at the beginning of the XNUMXth century, I had in mind the USSR. And the fact that then there were many non-Russians in power.
It is good that you do not dispute at least the first part of my kament.

[Tatyana]

Quote: rkkasa 81

In his example, about socially fair multinational. state of. at the beginning of the XNUMXth century, I had in mind the USSR. And the fact that then there were many non-Russians in power.

In the multinational USSR, there was a socialist, not a capitalist system. Therefore, ethnic problems still smoothed out in some way. There was no private ownership of land and social means of production, but now it is. During exploitation, the impoverishment of the vast masses of working people and the need for the survival of entire nations, there is something to gnaw at each other's throats.
The collective West was moving towards this, and this was what he was striving for in Russia. If we want to survive and survive, the Russian question in the country must be recognized by all peoples and nationalities and take constructive political measures in advance to resolve it in favor of the unity of all Russian peoples and the whole country.

[rkkasa xnumx]

Quote: Tatiana

In the multinational USSR, there was a socialist, not a capitalist system. Therefore, ethnic problems still smoothed out in some way.

This is understandable. It was about this:

Quote: Tatiana

Speaking about democracy as the basis of the revival of Russia as a multinational socially just state, the main national question is extremely important - “What nationality representatives now dominate in the power and management structures of the Russian Federation? What nationality is responsible for the collapse of the USSR "(Russia) for the national catastrophe, first of all, of the Russian people, and then already of other peoples of Russia?”

The revival of a multinational socially equitable state? We had one thing - the Soviet Union.
At the beginning of the construction of this state in his leadership were many non-Russians (Jews, Poles, Caucasians)? Yes many.
At the end of the XNUMXth century, when this state was destroyed, did non-Russian leaders become smaller? Yes, less. Who were most of the leaders? Russians.
So, according to your theory:

Quote: Tatiana

not every nation, not every nation is capable of building a socially just multinational. state of. There are peoples, nations, which, due to the ethnic isolation of their nat. mentality is fundamentally incapable of this, and does not even strive for it. If they are put in power, then, in the end, they will collapse and destroy their multinational. Fatherland.

- Russians are not capable of creating, or at least preserving, a socially just multinational state.

Quote: Tatiana

During exploitation, the impoverishment of the vast masses of working people and the need for the survival of entire nations, there is something to gnaw at each other's throats.

So maybe first you need to eliminate the cause of impoverishment and exploitation? That is, change capitalism to socialism.

[populist]

At the end of the XNUMXth century, when this state was destroyed, did non-Russian leaders become smaller? Yes, less. Who were most of the leaders? Russians.
So, according to your theory:

Here you are mistaken. Before the GKChP, 4 republics left the USSR - Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania (1990) Georgia (1991).
Immediately after the GKChP and before the Bialowieza conspiracy, another 8 republics came out. So, the vast majority of leaders-destroyers of the USSR were non-Russian.

[rkkasa xnumx]

Quote: populist

Here you are mistaken. Before the GKChP, 4 republics left the USSR - Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania (1990) Georgia (1991).
Immediately after the GKChP and before the Bialowieza conspiracy, another 8 republics came out. So, the vast majority of leaders-destroyers of the USSR were non-Russian.

There have always been separatists in the Union republics, but until the mid-80s there were not so many of them, and they were successfully crushed (they would try to separate in the 20-50s). And the withdrawal of the republics from the USSR in 1990-1991, this is the final phase of the collapse, the process began earlier.
Well, do not forget about June 12 1990 of the year - Declaration of State Sovereignty of the RSFSR. For example, in Estonia, a referendum on independence was held in March 1991.
Well, and most importantly - who is more important, the leaders of the entire state, or the leaders of its individual parts? Naturally, the leadership of the entire state is more important. And it at the end of the existence of the USSR, mainly consisted of Russians.

[Tatyana]

Quote: rkkasa 81

So maybe first you need to eliminate the cause of impoverishment and exploitation? That is, change capitalism to socialism.

Ha! Good question! How are you going to do this? For this, capitalists and exploiters of all stripes divide peoples according to the level of well-being so that people of different nationalities exploited in them do not unite among themselves against common exploiters. Well-being is promoted to some nations, nothing to others except their exploitation.
How a similar approach works in favor of the exploiters in practice is well shown by the psychological experiment that was conducted in 1971 by the American psychologist Philip Zimbardo.

The experiment is a psychological study of a person’s reaction to the restriction of freedom, the conditions of prison life and the impact of the imposed social role on behavior. Volunteers played the roles of guards and prisoners and lived in a suspended prison, located in the basement of the faculty of psychology. The experiment is described in the book:
Zimbardo Philip. The Lucifer Effect: why good people turn into villains / Philip Zimbardo; [trans. from English: A. Stivka]. - Moscow: Alpina non-fiction, 2013 .-- 738 p.
Zimbardo experiment.

[rkkasa xnumx]

Quote: Tatiana

How are you going to do this?

Как do it later. First you need people to understand, to realize that и for what have to do.
Unfortunately, many have not yet reached even this stage.

[Vladimir K]

The Russian people are a homeless people: in the whole history they did not have a nationally oriented elite, and those that were exploited, robbed, killed, sending them to numerous wars. The defense of the fatherland turned into the defense of these parasitic elites. And having won, the people gained nothing but losses and sorrows.

[NF68]

Quote: Vladimir K

The Russian people are a homeless people: in the whole history they did not have a nationally oriented elite, and those that were exploited, robbed, killed, sending them to numerous wars. The defense of the fatherland turned into the defense of these parasitic elites. And having won, the people gained nothing but losses and sorrows.

In other countries, this is not much better.

[icant007]

Quote: Tatiana

Therefore, the Russian Federation will fall apart if the peoples of Russia cannot understand this.

Why do they need this understanding? Decentralization is most likely inevitable. But you cannot build a new world without destroying the old one.

[Tatyana]

Quote: icant007

Why do they need this understanding?

To survive naturally.

Quote: icant007

You cannot build a new world without destroying the old.

Physically, the world cannot be destroyed, but Milton Friedman’s "doctrine of catastrophe capitalism" with its linden liberoid ideology about the alleged existence of the so-called A "free" market for capital, goods and labor with its economic model of monetarism is necessary! Otherwise there will be TMV.

[polikarpich]

"And living at the expense of Russia, starting in 1917, they now no longer recognize the right of the Russian people."

Japanese scientists once wondered. Why do domestic dogs sometimes bite to death their loving owners ?. They looked for a pattern not just for a long time, for a very long time. As a result, they found out that all the owners fed their favorites before they sat down to dinner. Dogs animal pack. Alpha male ALWAYS does not allow his flock to food until he is full. If interested, watch how the food is shared within the dog’s street community. Therefore, in domestic dogs that are fed earlier than the owners eat, there is a desire to put the owners in a "legitimate" place from the point of view of the dog. Naturally, as laid down in instincts, i.e. fangs.
Humans are also pack animals. Only unlike animals do they believe in God. That is, "they know that the invisible creates the visible and continues to control it." and on the basis of religious morality they create civilization - a material form of being.
The Soviet state is atheistic, where instead of God they worshiped the Bright Future, and instead of the laws of justice, on the basis of the Ten Commandments, all relations were built on the right of the strong. As soon as the strong one weakened (remember how many resources were pumped out of Russia, not only on the national outskirts, but also on Africans, Asians, Eastern Europeans), then the dependents, obeying their instinct of the flocking animal, began to assert themselves.
I have written so much just to make it obvious that the situation for the Russian people can be rectified simply and quickly. It is enough to recall that in addition to the Divine component, in every person there is also an animal component.
And then "do not give swords to swords and do not give shrines to dogs ..."
We will succeed.

[credo]

[quote = Tatyana] V. I. Lenin taught that every national issue always needs to be resolved precisely from class positions. [/ Quote
It seems to me that you completely out of place mentioned Ulyanov (Lenin), because it was the party of the Bolsheviks that created the problem that the USSR called the union and autonomous republics. That which never happened in Russia and in the Russian Empire, from the noble shoulder of the Bolsheviks received the right to exist, and after that it became established that we now have on the borders of Russia. Estonians, Latvians, Kazakhs, Georgians, and other nationalities did not have any centralized states, but now they have and believe that it has been since time immemorial, inventing various nonsense like ukrov of the ancestors of all mankind. So, blaming the bourgeoisie, the Bolsheviks themselves, seemingly not understanding it, created a time bomb in the USSR, which in Russia has not yet been destroyed.

[aloleggry]

Some peoples had their own states. Armenians had, Georgians had, Lithuanians had, Uzbeks had. Not so simple. Each of the former republics has its own road to Russia. It was.

[KaPToC]

Quote: aloleggry

Lithuanians had

The Lithuanians did not have their own statehood. The Grand Duchy of Lithuania - now it is Belarus.

[Dart]

Their thought was about the equality of all peoples

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Tatiana

Thus, the fanning of nationalism, no matter what particular forms it manifests, ultimately turns into a struggle of the nationalizing nation as a whole

+++ how then with the Russian language?

[Tatyana]

Quote: aybolyt678

+++ how then with the Russian language?

And the Russian language in modern former Soviet republics will ultimately be stifled by local nationalists completely with their native speakers if the Russian government and the President of the Russian Federation do not continue to advocate for the Russian-speaking population there.

[aybolyt678]

on their own territory to protect .... their work is not.

[andrew42]

Briefly and to the point! I completely agree with you. Swinging at the great, you need to start small. But we don’t have that either. Slightly, Article 282 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, and only for Russians. This is a fact with many facts.

[Andrey Grinberg]

In this matter, you just need to start with the Russians living in the former republics, since they are as motivated as possible and are only waiting for this. For 25 years, they have suffered so much from "fraternal" peoples that no liberal propaganda can take it anymore, unlike the citizens of the Russian Federation.

[Stanislas]

Quote: Tatiana

In the USSR, this happened by order "from above" - ​​under Gorbachev - in 1986. Teaching diamate turned into pro-forma

Can you tell me the order number? It was teachers who did not understand philosophy and did not like to discuss it, but who knew that ideology (= dogmas of the classics) was a sure way to break through to power (= to reach a new level of consumption through the posts of chairman of the pioneer squad, Komsomol, party organizer and etc.). For this, they did not even need an ideologist Yakovlev. The history of the CPSU, scientific communism (you know, there were such objects) and philosophy became the ideological cause of the collapse of the USSR (the first because of deceit, and the rest because of dogmatism).
If someone questions the “level of consumption of the chairman of the pioneer squad in the 70s”, then, of course, we are talking about the consumption of “pedagogical services” by a child of the pioneer age, and in fact even a little attention and tact on the part of teachers more.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Stanislav

Can you tell me the order number?

this order was called "on the fundamental restructuring of the national economy" in April 1985.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Stanislav

For this, they did not even need an ideologist Yakovlev.

ideologist Yakovlev, when he was an ideologist, before Gorbi came to power, he spent six months in Canada studying something. There is a point of view that he was the gray cardinal of perestroika

[free]

Quote: The same Lech

This is a total and final sweep of everything that somehow relates to Russian civilization and to the historical borders of Russia.

The reason is simple ... I think it is a weak economy ... dependence on the US financial system and low standard of living of ordinary citizens of RUSSIA ... obvious things.
How can we attract neighbors to our side. .. for now ... writing off billions of debts to our country by him only worsened the situation ... what other options are there ... so far none.
It is necessary to make our country and, above all, our people a rich and prosperous people ... and there are still problems with this ... big problems.

We have urgent measures, there is no end, for anything, even the army and navy, even agriculture, everything is urgent, all in the first place. you can redo this urgent bunch only by consolidating the people around the government, and there are big problems!

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: free

there are big problems

These "problems" are only in your head.
I don’t even know, cry, or rejoice

[free]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Quote: free

there are big problems

These "problems" are only in your head.
I don’t even know, cry, or rejoice

And where do you place problems?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: free

And where do you place problems?

Where necessary, they are placed there.
And, note, this is not me, but you are ruining here on the topic of global problems

[zoolu350]

Of course, you are not interested in breaking into global problems Golovan Jack. The oligarchy of the Russian Federation regularly fills your bowl, which means that everything is fine and there are no problems. If the owners of the Fed will fill your bowl more than the oligarchy of the Russian Federation, you and their criminal actions will whitewash.

[free]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Quote: free

And where do you place problems?

Where necessary, they are placed there.
And, note, this is not me, but you are ruining here on the topic of global problems

Your kitty problems are placed in your wallet.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Golovan Jack

These "problems" are only in your head

What are you talking about, Kisa? Pink glasses to lift is not fate? Or are you just looking at the "Made with Us" site without going outside?

Quote: Golovan Jack

I don’t even know, cry, or rejoice

Rejoicing is not served! Cry Kitty, maybe at least someone will throw money pitying. Jews cry for millions.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Ingvar 72

you only look at the site “Made with us”, without going outside

I see, I’m working. And my friends and acquaintances, too. In many and very different places.
And I also have something to compare with. I’m like a thread ten years older, judging by yours here baby cry on the lawn nickname.

Quote: Ingvar 72

Pink glasses raise no fate

I don’t wear, not my style. There is nothing to lift.

Quote: Ingvar 72

Kisa

Osia
it’s better to flood a couple of pipes into the wall than to flood here. Earn, get rich, become fat and kind

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Golovan Jack

In many, very different places

In places closed from the outside world?

Quote: Golovan Jack

I don’t wear, not my style. There is nothing to lift.

Are the lenses pink?

Quote: Golovan Jack

it’s better to flood a couple of pipes into the wall than to flood here.

Where's the flood, pussycat? And the pipes will really go now to stoke the wall. Are you following me?

Quote: Golovan Jack

Earn, get rich, become fat and kind

No Kitty, it doesn’t threaten me. Firstly, because working with Togliatti is bad, and secondly, the hound breed!

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Ingvar 72

No Kitty, it doesn’t threaten me ...

It’s sad. My empathy ...

Quote: Ingvar 72

... hound breed

Estooon hound ... the same terrier, damn it ... OSA

[free]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: Golovan Jack

These "problems" are only in your head

What are you talking about, Kisa? Pink glasses to lift is not fate? Or are you just looking at the "Made with Us" site without going outside?

Quote: Golovan Jack

I don’t even know, cry, or rejoice

Rejoicing is not served! Cry Kitty, maybe at least someone will throw money pitying. Jews cry for millions.

Bravo

[aybolyt678]

Quote: free

We have urgent measures, there is no end, for anything, even the army and navy, even agriculture, everything is urgent, everything in the first place.

It’s tolerable with the army, the fleet seems to be the president announced secret developments, and they seem to be there, agriculture is breaking records for grain .... only all the unemployed. or pretend that they are working and their bosses pretend that they are paying. First of all, we need to determine whether we are in the global market or are we the author ?? if in the world it is necessary to find one technological item like a 3D printer and produce it in such volumes so that the cost price is not affordable low for any world manufacturers. To make this subject all country, with state support of all those who can upgrade this subject. With this and only this approach, you can stay in the global market. Authorship is a return to the USSR. I would not want to. But then, first of all, Ideology. The main question is how to reach the main?

[free]

We are in the world economy and our place is a gas station in it. Part of our elite is satisfied and she’s not going to change anything and we (the people) will not be able to achieve it only by consolidating a significant part of society.

[Bakht]

You correctly noticed it. But there is one caveat. The fact is that the derogatory meaning of the word "gas station" is not true. Recent events with RUSAL have confirmed this. The car does not go without a gas station. Exclude from the world economy 5-10% of the “gas station” (that is, oil, gas, wood, metal and a bunch of other items) and the world economy will collapse into a huge crisis. The car will stall.
Of course, trading resources is unprofitable, but this is already a question for the rulers of the country. Unprofitable - do not trade. In the 50s, Mossadyk in Iran said that the country would produce as much oil as it considered necessary. And everything else should remain in the bowels for future generations. And Mossadyka was immediately overthrown. This does not threaten Russia. There is a nuclear shield. There is no determination of the leadership to cause irreparable damage to the geopolitical adversary.

[Victor N]

But why blame everything on the "rulers of the country"? They do not cut down the forest and sell round timber. It is absurd for the “rulers" to do this. Think about why our lumberjacks wouldn’t even cut trunks? Is it because for this you need to turn on your head in order to study demand and organize processing? From you to the "earners" closer than to the "rulers", look what they have with their heads?
If the "rulers" suddenly prohibit the export of round timber, will you, together with the people, start sawing or yelling that you were deprived of your income?
No offense - I try not to simplify, but to look for underlying causes, including in myself. And find opportunities to reorganize your own life.

[free]

Quote: Victor N

But why blame everything on the "rulers of the country"? They do not cut down the forest and sell round timber. It is absurd for the “rulers" to do this. Think about why our lumberjacks wouldn’t even cut trunks? Is it because for this you need to turn on your head in order to study demand and organize processing? From you to the "earners" closer than to the "rulers", look what they have with their heads?
If the "rulers" suddenly prohibit the export of round timber, will you, together with the people, start sawing or yelling that you were deprived of your income?
No offense - I try not to simplify, but to look for underlying causes, including in myself. And find opportunities to reorganize your own life.

The state should create jobs. And now the state says live as you want for everyone, so people are spinning, how can it be their fault? They are placed in such conditions by the state itself, which is controlled by the government. And no one will buy the final product from us while we are built into the WTO, there are enough of our producers beyond the hill of our producers. Only our resources are needed.

[Bakht]

I do not agree with you. It is the rulers who "cut down the forest and sell the round timber." Nobody else. Lumberjack (miner, metallurgist, oilman) is doing his job. Fells, cuts it down. How and what to sell - the rulers decide. And if the ruler decides that it is better to produce not very good, but his own planes, then aluminum will remain in the country and spit on any sanctions. And if the Bear decided that it was necessary to buy Boeings and Watermelons, then the aluminum would go abroad and at any moment the country would be blocked off oxygen.
Now tell me, the hard worker at the RUSAL plant is to blame for the fact that now he may be left without work? This is entirely the fault of the leadership that created the export-oriented economy. Or a gas station.
You can look for reasons in yourself. But the rulers solve the country's problems. This is their work and their bread. For this they get paid. And not a little one.
They could not stand me in the office, because I periodically sent them such pictures

Or such

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Bakht

You can look for reasons in yourself. But the rulers solve the country's problems.

everyone can also decide for himself to buy only Russian ... and do not care for the rulers

[Bakht]

So America was built. The US industry in the 18-19th centuries was built only on this principle. Buy only yours. Let worse quality, but mine. And another very important point. It wasn't the shops, the cars that struck me in the States. I was struck by a poster along the road. So many years have passed, I still remember. As I was told, this is the principle by which the USA was built
"It is all about people and always will be"
It would be nice for our rulers (no matter which country) to have this motto before our eyes all the time.

[free]

It is not profitable to sell resources to the people of Russia, but who asked him what (he benefits the people and what he wants). And to those who are profitable, they trade without asking permission from the people.

[siberalt]

Limitroph countries always stick to the boots of a rich neighbor. There will be a decent standard of living in Russia; they will all creep back.

[dSK]

According to the agency, after the inauguration May 7th the Russian leader will sign a decree that will outline a plan for a "decisive breakthrough" in improving living standards. The interlocutors of the agency added that the figure in ten trillion rubles appeared recently and may undergo changes. RIA Novosti 01:25 24/04/18

[EwgenyZ]

Quote from dsk

According to the agency, after the inauguration May 7th the Russian leader will sign a decree that will outline a plan for a "decisive breakthrough" in improving living standards.

Putin can sign anything, "the paper will endure everything." Who previously prevented him from signing such a decree? In the eighteenth year of his reign, at last, he was honored.

[Pissarro]

This logic does not work for them. They consciously choose poverty, break economic ties, impose sanctions, prefer not to be our brother, but Polish or some other serf. It is not possible to understand them if you consider them to be thinking about your interests or about your well-being / enrichment. I'm not even talking about Ukraine. Bulgaria, too, deliberately refuses pipe, cheap gas, jobs, money for transit, political influence from distribution, from atom, cheap electricity, again jobs and money from its export. Ask the Bulgarian question what is the logic? Because it is not necessary for his master, and not for him, and the Bulgarian is pleased to please the master. As a slogan in Ukraine, "screw it." That is, freeze so that the owner does not freeze

[New Year day]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

The reason is simple ... I think it is a weak economy ... dependence on the US financial system and low standard of living of ordinary citizens of RUSSIA ... obvious things.

absolutely true.
If we ourselves have 20 million beggars and the collapse of healthcare, then what can Russia offer our neighbor? Only C300 or C 400.
The average citizen is on the drum

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Silvestr

we ourselves have 20 million beggars

Yeah. And everyone is standing on the porch. Time again?

[New Year day]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Yeah. And everyone is standing on the porch.

not all, Jack, but part.

Quote: Golovan Jack

Time again?

no, we read and listen to Golikova and Golodets. They’re cutting the truth. Or does Jack not believe the members of the government?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Silvestr

Jack does not believe the members of the government?

"Jack", unlike you, can understand the words correctly.

According to Rosstat, in January-September 2016, 20,3 million Russians lived below the poverty line

Read more at RBC:
https://www.rbc.ru/society/14/03/2017/58c7cf0c9a7
9470c568fb0f3

“We have very different estimates of the poor statistical and self-esteem of people. And if according to statistical estimates there is an increase in poverty and amounts to 15%, which is already very bad for us, then people's self-awareness is much worse. If we say to a person: “you are not poor,” and he is poor, this is a very difficult situation, ”Golodets said then

Read more at RBC:
https://www.rbc.ru/society/14/03/2017/58c7cf0c9a7
9470c568fb0f3

Show me where you found here

Quote: Silvestr

we ourselves have 20 million beggars

Be kind

[New Year day]

I will be kind. Here is what I found:
1. The head of the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation Tatyana Golikova at the congress of "United Russia" said that more than 20 million people live in Russia below the poverty line, and this number will only increase. "The number of citizens who are below the poverty line today is 20,3, XNUMX million people. "
Golikova explained that the income of Russians continues to fall, although the rate of decline has slowed down compared to previous years: "but still 1,4% is a fairly high figure."
http://www.mk.ru/economics/2017/12/22/golikova-so
obshhila-edinoy-rossii-chto-v-rf-20-millionov-nis
hhh.html
2. Olga Golodets, Deputy Prime Minister of the Government of the Russian Federation, called it a unique phenomenon when Russians remain poor in the presence of work.
“The poverty that exists and is fixed in the country is the poverty of the working population. This is a unique phenomenon in the social sphere - the working poor”
"... I draw attention to the fact that 4 million 900 thousand people work at the minimum wage level. What labor productivity can we talk about if a person receives such money in a month of work?"
More on TASS:
http://tass.ru/ekonomika/4093093

[Golovan Jack]

Once again, the question is:

Quote: Golovan Jack

Show me where you found here
Quote: Silvestr
we ourselves 20 million beggars
Be kind

Are you talking to yourself, or what? For lack of a more worthy interlocutor?

[New Year day]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Are you talking to yourself, or what? For lack of a more worthy interlocutor?

no, with you. you just don’t want to see what is not profitable for you.
They’ve quoted and are waiting for something. I gave you literally the words of both ladies, what else is needed to understand what was said? The young ladies put a checkmate on you and there is nothing to tell you. Or did the young women refute me and confirm your words? Take away. Apologies for "lying" can not be sent.

[your1970]

These 20 million poor people include those businessmen - who OFFICIALLY do not work anywhere at all, as well as those who work - but do not receive official salaries (builders, security guards, shift workers of all stripes, etc.).
The salary of a friend in the north is officially 21 pipes (the remaining 60 give so).
He has 2 children + his wife sits at home - accordingly, he has 5250 rubles per month per capita and he OFFICIALLY below the poverty line.
And such examples are a wagon ...
so be careful with the poverty line - otherwise many millionaires can fall for it

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Silvestr

Apologies for "lying" can not be sent

I see no reason to apologize.
You really talk to yourself.
None of the "ladies" spoke of "20 million beggars." Living below the poverty line is never a beggar, by the way. I know for myself, I had a couple of “fun” years here.
And the poor - they are on the porch, yes

[zoolu350]

Golovan Jack, sometimes in an attempt to whitewash the oligarchy of the Russian Federation you drive such a blizzard that Peskov will envy.

[free]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Quote: Silvestr

we ourselves have 20 million beggars

Yeah. And everyone is standing on the porch. Time again?

So it's official statistics. Do you not believe the authorities?

[Victor N]

Statistics are an occasion for reflection. 20 million beggars counted a certain enemy. This is fiction and a convenient occasion to poke (many love). Most of the truly poor are those who have not been able or unwilling to realize their abilities and energy. (I have a pension + 2 work. Yes, I always studied, seriously.)

[Victor N]

Crying again about the past! You need to live now and here. You cannot make a people rich and prosperous, each person must provide for himself - then the country will be rich. It's a shame to be poor! I must honestly, under the covers, admit: failed, incapable, lazy. And after that, start learning to change the profession, place of work, place of residence, and so on.
Don’t feel sorry for the Russians - just help. At least spit after someone who does not pay taxes ......
OLD not to return, it is necessary to build a NEW society and state!

[Ural resident]

Respect. A rare comment on this forum. I adhere to exactly the same position!

[megavolt823]

Victor N: you probably did not quite understand what the article was asking about? we are talking about processes around the Russian Federation and inside. live poorly ashamed? life consists of accidents, good and bad. and not the fact that accidents can destroy a person. You will not argue that life in a big city is different from small cities. Yes, and no one canceled family ties. but an article about something else. article on the collapse of Eurasia and the interests of several countries. and the whore interests of former fellow citizens in general, and republics in particular. It’s time for the Russian Federation to stop patronizing and intervening in the interests of the republics, and focus on its own.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Victor N

It's a shame to be poor! I must honestly, under the covers, admit: failed, incapable, lazy. And after that, start learning to change the profession, place of work, place of residence, and so on.

Nonsense. I have a mom and dad under 80 years sick are lying, and you offer me to go somewhere? Yes, you would go.

[ul_vitalii]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Do you offer me to go somewhere? Yes, you would go.

I met, I am so omniscient, self-righteous, and as soon as they flew out of the cage, all the arrogance and eloquence disappeared somewhere. It is painful to fall, and it can be even more painful and difficult to rise, not all are planed from the same material, you cannot comb everyone under one comb.

[andrew42]

Just the "losers" in your understanding - they then pay taxes in full. If the country is a fake social group, are you going to give taxes to whom? The government does not particularly hide the amount of funds plundered by the corruption environment. That they now have a stable objective factor in the calculations. Actually - an unofficial expense item, from the point of view of statistics. The vast majority are only FOR taxes to pay. But where is the return in the form of goods? - He is in villas and foreign real estate, football clubs, in the ownership of companies abroad (which, by the way, other evil uncles can take away from our evil uncles). In fact, you called first to work / plow for yourself, and then about taxes in the corruption pit. Decide.

[freddyk]

Victor N, we have changed professions and have changed so many, were engineers, became hucksters. Money started up, but you can’t build a society with hucksters.

[Tatanka Yotanka]

Quote: Victor N

failed, incapable, lazy. And after that, start learning to change the profession, place of work, place of residence, and so on.

and if you have reduced, optimized, sold the enterprise, etc., etc., you don’t sell the hut, you don’t need anyone and you don’t have any money, heap your family and go ahead looking for a better share - a big country

[free]

Quote: Victor N

Crying again about the past! You need to live now and here. You cannot make a people rich and prosperous, each person must provide for himself - then the country will be rich. It's a shame to be poor! I must honestly, under the covers, admit: failed, incapable, lazy. And after that, start learning to change the profession, place of work, place of residence, and so on.
Don’t feel sorry for the Russians - just help. At least spit after someone who does not pay taxes ......
OLD not to return, it is necessary to build a NEW society and state!

Are you bad? Is it a shame to be poor? Isn’t it a shame to pay a little? Or do you offer us all to go into business as one not without a well-known character? Or maybe you are Kostya, who leaves such stupid comments.

[Cellulitis]

I agree to every word!

[Украинец]

While you will make your country a rich script that is described by the author will take place. Now we need to do everything at the same time and get rich and do not forget about neighboring fraternal peoples.
No time to swing!
And if you need it, it can even beat someone.

[Doliva63]

"We must make our country, and above all, our people, a rich and prosperous people ... and there are still problems with this ..."
Still would! In a situation where 90% of the wealth belongs to 10% of the population, what to do - offer to share? Prokhorov had already warned from the television - the whole country will be washed with blood! So there you go.

[Dam]

Here, after all, as always, a double-edged sword. The West is trying to mobilize our former suburbs to fight us. It seems to be conceived scary and effective. We look at the fact: the standard of living in Ukraine is lower than the plinth, the able-bodied population runs, and first of all to us, working for our economy. Baltic dwarf tigers stupidly dying from a good life. As a result, their policies work for us. It’s just that the metropolis raises the standard of living, and in the outskirts of the country it went down sharply. And no Russophobic mantras dance here, since sensible, efficient people vote with their feet and flee to Russia. It may be cruel, but we finally stop paying for someone else's banquet. And the earths all come back, give time

[Yarik]

The government’s concern for our people is absolutely declarative. Until this is remedied, talking about the prosperity of our country can only be done by I_diot_t.

[Ross xnumx]

Russia's geopolitical catastrophe is that with such an attitude to its own people, power can remain within the borders of the Moscow region. Not by virtue of a foreign invasion, but by the absence of a population in the vast expanses of the country. A holy place does not happen empty. In the USSR, there was motivation for settling the vastness of Siberia, the Far East and the Far North in the form of zone zones and salaries. Now there is no such motivation. But there was a motivation among the large Chinese people to develop the “abandoned” space. And in this matter, men with “hehe” and “heaped up” things will not argue. If in the USSR there was an ideology of a just society, then the highest stage of slave-owning is capitalism, it dictates the laws of the Black Sea.
And our people and "not ours" for some reason united under the idea of ​​putting dust in the eyes of a neighbor. And, as practice shows, the attitude towards children in our country is still far from complete state care.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: ROSS 42

And, as practice shows, the attitude towards children in our country is still far from complete state care.

that's for sure, "maternity capital" gave: give birth! and the state will raise a herd ... children are struck by their limitations and simply stupidity, the wife just cries sometimes from impotence, when she comes from work (teacher. technical school), what will happen to the country? this is our "future".

[Sirocco]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

what will happen to the country? this is our "future".

Yes, the farther the more terrible, the education system, patriotism, and a family with values, we all failed. The other day, a neighbor’s child, a schoolboy, told an interesting story, like two idiots in a class, zigzagging right in the classroom without paying attention to the teacher, examples in the form of veterans in their families answered that they were sadists. The trouble is that you can’t break the pointers on their heads like ours did in the old days, they know their rights, like their parents, but with responsibilities there is a complete failure. It has long been concluded that our state deliberately educates such kids who should be able to work and not ask questions, as was the case in serfdom. Work, drink-write, eat-kakai, asked a question, clever mind showed, with rods on the back. Scribe, sailed, we talk about it not one year, but things are still there. Although the teachers say that there are some changes in the education system, but for me it is not noticeable, a complete yard of youth, but mental abilities leave much to be desired, bench, iPhone, social networks. I even judge for work, they know how to sit in social networks, but with the programs Word, Excel, various editors, they’re asking me for help from the older generation.))))))))))))

[Ingvar 72]

The picture is scary, but real. At the very top, two older daughters from the phones do not get out. What can we say about strangers. Zombies are in full swing.

[Sirocco]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Zombies are in full swing.

That's the same, we were scared by Zomboyaschik, not so long ago, and here the box is different, and more dangerous, especially if government policy welcomes such NLP. I think that in the future, the Internet will be limited, otherwise there will be no luck, I assume that the Internet, in its form (Social Network, information dissemination speed), will fulfill its function. and they will cover him, Moor has done his job, he may leave. Otherwise, and what’s different, they don’t read books, don’t get carried away with needlework, crash ((((((

[KaPToC]

Quote: Sirocco

I think that in the future, the Internet will be limited

It's just the opposite, the functionality of gadgets will only grow. A person will be "on the Internet" around the clock, even if there is no need for it, even during sleep, his personal PDA will be online.

[EwgenyZ]

Quote: Ingvar 72

At the very top, two older daughters from the phones do not get out.

Simple "balalaika" did not try to buy? I also sit, and in the mornings the batteries “sit down” on my and my wife’s smartphones “Mama Do not Cry,” while I go to school with a simple Alcatel. In the week of training “Aikido”, on the weekend, Sunday School and the Cadet Cossack class, in addition, I force people to learn the names of countries and their capital, dates from our history (I do not really trust the school curriculum), they teach the ancestors the name and surname when and where they were born, they started to learn even geological epochs ... The older one already lives an adult life and is separate from us, but when she lived with us she didn’t let her get bored either. Children need to be puzzled, so that there is less time for "gouging", you need to take care of the children, and not let things go "by chance" and there will not be any zombies.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: EwgenyZ

and not to let things go "by chance" and there will not be any zombies.

And when to work?

[EwgenyZ]

Ingvar 72

And when to work? belay

I see the kid in the morning, together we leave home: He’s going to school for work and at the weekend. I come when He sleeps. In the morning I give the task, then I ask, in the afternoon, sometimes, I call to remind .... If you wish, you can.

[g1washntwn]

The boss doesn’t put huskies on reports - that’s the trouble :) And if they confuse twitter with trippers, this is treated only by sending them to the village where electricity is available only on holidays.

[your1970]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

, the wife just cries sometimes from powerlessness, when she comes from work (teacher. technical school), what will happen to the country? this is our "future".

exactly the same thing the teachers said in my college about our group ..... in 1987-m ...
Like - there are no normal people, they don’t know anything / don’t know / don’t want to know, they don’t want to learn / there is no craving for knowledge ..."And which of them will grow ??? !!!"

[Humpty]

You there in Russia are somehow smarter than you behave towards neighbors who have perverted a part of the Russian world into the non-Russian world in the territories under control. And then in the open, regular horses lit up, swollen in conceit. Recently, without naming the territory, Soloviev quietly laughed at the tantrums that were being thrown at the slightest criticism in an unnamed country. There, neighbors, including Russia, were mischiefed, but now, it seems, having received approval from the red-headed ruler, they climbed to teach the Chinese how to live, the rights of a chilean say in China are violated.

[Oleg Kalugin]

We are here in Russia, we are waiting for a personnel pogrom, maybe then those from the international diaspora in our authorities will bite their interests)))

[aszzz888]

Almost 50% of the population of the former Soviet Union can be turned into hordes of new barbarians filled with hatred of Russia, which will be used by the West to invade the current Russian Federation from all directions.

And it is very, very disturbing. "The enemy is not asleep!" - Today is more relevant than ever.

[Uncle lee]

the bastions of the most warlike Russophobia along the entire perimeter of the Russian borders.

and this is not a prediction, but a reality!

[jarpensky]

What is happening now in almost all of the so-called national republics, these severed pieces of Russian territory, which in most cases have never had their own statehood on a historically significant scale, has one and absolutely even common denominator. This is a total and final sweep of everything that somehow relates to Russian civilization and to the historical borders of Russia.

Have time to change the denominator ...
Progress will change material values, over time ...
The media will help to preserve and cultivate the spiritual (as it was in the USSR) and the clean Internet, struggling with the "truth" - the essence of falsehood, tolerance - the essence of tolerance for permissiveness, etc. heresies of the western and transatlantic ...
Do not let us force ourselves to tarnish our Russian Soul ...
And having seen what the strength is, the outskirts will be drawn again to Russia and the Turkmen granddaughters will ask their Turkmen grandfathers to tell about the USSR ...
And everything will return to square one, because under a denominator the denominator can only grow chaos ...

[samarin1969]

“It will take another 15-20 years. The generation that will remember what it really was before will go away. And the mass and unhindered industrial production of ukrobolanchikov, such as bydlopiteks or Ivanovs who do not remember kinship, will begin. For whom America will be the“ mother-mother ” and Russia an eternal and hated enemy to be destroyed. "
This also applies to Russia. Scheduled St. George ribbons are unlikely to mislead anyone.
What does “our” ruling class look like? These are not statesmen, scientists, military. This is a sort of, cloned millions of times, Ostap Bender, which doesn’t really honor the code. They look at the patriots of Russia as a backward harmful element. In about 20 years, these people will get bored with the “games of the patriots” and we will also have a “Mega Baltic”.

[Sirocco]

Quote: samarin1969

“Another 15-20 years will pass. The generation that remembers how it really was before will leave.

I thought that only such thoughts visit me))))) it turns out it becomes so noticeable that it becomes impossible to hide.
An interesting movie turns out, against which our grandfathers fought, and we ran into it, a rollback in the Middle Ages, whose fields, forests, rivers? Right, Marquis of Karabas. In general, I think that if during this term of the presidency there is no change for the better for the people, this will be the last term for the ruling elite, who will manage to escape for a puddle by selling the last drops of patriotism, who will fail, will boil in our bloody cauldron, or rather in many boilers in Russia as a federation. It’s good to make bonfires with us who want to ((((((((((

[icant007]

We cannot fight the cultural expansion of the West. A new generation has already grown. Therefore, the West goes on the offensive. We have almost lost our identity. Look at signs on city streets.
And the attempts in the field of military-patriotic education in our country are turning into profanity a la "Let's get to Berlin."
The village, the village must be restored. Raise the land owner. And do not play games with "digitalization".

[Sirocco]

Quote: icant007

Look at signs on city streets.

If memory serves, then was the law, or tried to introduce it? about the ban on signs in Inyaz.
Well, about this quote the tongue was tarred already about the education of our children by the enemy.

Wanted freedom? - Get her around! Having destroyed the roots of their national (I mean traditional Russian) culture, they gained nothing in return, except for lost youth. I don’t remember who said of the great ones (the meaning, by the way, is the same): if you want to conquer the people, deprive them of their culture. (There is an interesting video on this Temko, "Harvard project for the destruction of the Slavs" - the essence is the same)

[rkkasa xnumx]

The geopolitical catastrophe of Russian civilization did not stay beyond the borders of the last century

Why are these perverts with sub-twists ... geo-o-li-te-ches-ka-catastrophe of Russian civilization ... go nuts We didn’t have any Russian civilization there, but socialism. There was a Union of Soviet Socialist Republics

As an Odessa citizen and TV journalist, I saw with my own eyes the destruction of almost all of Odessa's large industrial and transport enterprises, made sense of existence only in the presence of a large union state. This is a heavy crane-building plant, a precision machine tool plant, an agricultural machine-building plant, the Black Sea Shipping Company, the system of seaports of Ukraine, dozens of other enterprises and research institutes

And in Russia it is similar.
Capitalism has come — profit is at the forefront for new owners — it is more profitable for them to buy foreign products; plus cost reduction by reducing defense spending, science - Soviet factories are shutting down.
That is - even if there was no collapse of the union state, then, due to the advent of capitalism, the plants would still be closed. If it is more profitable to buy products from, for example, Southeast Asia, then they will buy there. And this logic is true for all bourgeois, at least for ours, at least for the Americans.

whose authorities are objectively interested in having an external enemy to justify their own anti-people rule

In principle, the same can be said about our rulers.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: rkkasa 81

Capitalism has come - profit for new owners is at the forefront

Capitalism has not reached our country ... the more correct term is neocolonialism

[Victor N]

An endless series of claims against the "authorities", the "ruling class" - gentlemen themselves, are you still not suffering from useless attempts? Better do something positive for yourself, your family! Do not ask or wait for alms! Well, you have to do something, crying will not help.

[populist]

rkkasa 81 (alexey)
Why are these perverts with sub-verse ... ge-oh-on-it-te-ches-ka-catastrophe of Russian civilization ... go nuts what We did not have some kind of Russian civilization, but there was socialism. There was a Union of Soviet Socialist Republics

That's right. The author deliberately distorts reality. We had Soviet civilization. It was Soviet socialist civilization that arose in 1917, developed and existed for about 70 years, and died at the end of the 20th century.

[Schima68]

The rule, from 1939 to this one, was an enclave for predators, until Stalin and Beria cleaned up.
.

[Fedoslov]

The author tactfully circumvents the question of how one modest person in the Kremlin, possessing broad powers, concentrating all the levers of power, preserves the current situation. He either does nothing, as is the case with the economy, or does not do enough, as is the case with Ukraine.

[your1970]

Quote: Fedoslov

The author tactfully circumvents the question of how one modest person in the Kremlin, possessing broad powers, concentrating all the levers of power, preserves the current situation. He either does nothing, as is the case with the economy, or does not do enough, as is the case with Ukraine.

- What can you do about 404 country now? occupy? a country with a ruined economy and Bandera? get 30 million people who look askance or even partisans? Stalin (with his powers and capabilities !!!) couldn’t quickly deal with Bandera - they were already trying to fight in the 50s ...
And in the current conditions ... he does not have such opportunities / powers, alas - no ...

[bycharashkO]

why occupy? just forget about her. There is no such "country". Stop all trade and diplomatic activities. Citizens are not allowed in from the word at all, the exception is only for those who have a residence permit in the LPR and the DPR. Send everyone with passports from the outskirts of Russia, except for the LPR and the DPR. Do not buy and sell anything. How long will they last?

[your1970]

Quote: bycharashkO

Send everyone with passports from the outskirts of Russia, except for the LPR and the DPR.

- deportation 1 (ONE !!!!) Ukrainian costs the treasury 6 rubles.
18 000 000 000 - It is only necessary for piece deportation, so to speak. The expulsion of more or less large parties (2-3-5 people) will require the construction of premises for their maintenance, security, apparatus for trapping and conducting paper work.
Catching even 100 is not real at all - you can immediately forget about 000 million

ZY and I mean the variations with riots, sabotage and other delights - which in this case could not be expected from the crowd of several thousand (or even tens of thousands)
Clawing the clave is easy - in Kiev, the unfortunate 5000-10 Bandera people took power. And you propose 000 million to the camp

[aybolyt678]

Russian civilization !! how loudly said! We cannot ensure order and prosperity. What then to talk about ??? we live by Stalin's achievements and oil

[KaPToC]

Quote: aybolyt678

we live by Stalin's achievements and oil

Give an example?

[aybolyt678]

Quote: KaPToC

Give an example?

Easy: space, nuclear weapons. I hope it’s clear about oil.

[KaPToC]

Quote: aybolyt678

Easy: space, nuclear weapons. I hope it’s clear about oil.

Unclear.
Gagarin flew into space in 1961
Under Stalin, oil was extracted in Baku.
Nuclear weapons are stored for a very short time.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: KaPToC

Gagarin flew into space in 1961
Under Stalin, oil was extracted in Baku.
Nuclear weapons are stored for a very short time.

Katyusha is also a rocket, technology
Nuclear weapons, the UN, it all moves in time.

[KaPToC]

Quote: aybolyt678

Katyusha is also a rocket, technology

Fly in Katyusha to Mars.

Quote: aybolyt678

Nuclear weapons, the UN, it all moves in time.

Is it a time machine, did Stalin invent it too?

[aybolyt678]

Have you read anything serious about Stalin? You know the non-political qualities of this person, for example, his capacity for work - 400 pages of complex texts per day, memory - he had a photograph taken from memoirs of his contemporaries such as designer Yakovlev recited by passages from Greek mythology and complex technical texts. Such as he is now no more than one in a million. The poems of little Joseph Dzhugashvili were published in an anthology of Georgian literature when he was 15 years old.
However, but am I throwing beads here ?? turn on the brain, imagine that wolf time, the post-war 1930, a country where children, parents and brothers recently fought with each other. Russian went to Russian with a bayonet. What was the cost of human life? And what did they come to by 1953?

[KaPToC]

Quote: aybolyt678

You know the non-political qualities of this person, for example, his performance - 400 pages of complex texts per day

I have no doubt in the greatness of Stalin

Quote: aybolyt678

turn on the brain, imagine that wolf time, the post-war 1930, a country where children, parents and brothers recently fought with each other. Russian went to Russian with a bayonet.

Four generations have changed since then.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: KaPToC

Four generations have changed since then.

the problems remained the same

[aybolyt678]

Quote: KaPToC

Fly in Katyusha to Mars.

so far no one has flown to Mars. And for that time it was a breakthrough.

[KaPToC]

Quote: aybolyt678

so far no one has flown to Mars. And for that time it was a breakthrough.

So maybe Katyusha was a launcher? And the rocket was called somehow differently? Try flying on Studebaker.

[aybolyt678]

when the musket was a breakthrough, and it was inferior in accuracy to the rate of fire and penetration of the crossbow ... and Katyusha was just the launcher.

[Aldmit_2]

[/ quote] What is happening now in almost all the so-called national republics, these severed pieces of Russian territory, which in most cases have never even had their own statehood on a historically significant scale [quote]

I apologize, but even my eye fell from this. Call the same Tajikistan "a torn off piece of Russian territory" and call it the "so-called" republic ???

[Waddimm]

Article plus, definitely. I did not find a single word of falsehood. Russophobia, unfortunately, is now profitable. It brings big dividends to the piggy bank of any "national elite" in the post-Soviet space.

[Alex66]

Yet it is simple that we would like to be friends with us, that we would like to become a family, we must be successful ourselves, all our citizens, and sharing this grief and trial is for units of highly spiritual people. After all, why do our people go to the USA, Europe to earn money and permanent residence there, the level there is higher and safer. They will come to us and join us only when we can give something. So, no friendship of the peoples was foreseen and there was no mercantile relationship when they fed them on a spoon, taking them away in the hope of gratitude. The solution is on the surface - you need to love your people, take care of their education, health, not only before the elections.

[Alexander Ra]

It is true: "... no friendship of the peoples is foreseen and was not there, .. one must love his people ..."
But "... ours go to the USA, Europe to earn money and permanent residence ..." - this is true for the judgments of an egocentric (humanist!). The export of our intellectual and cultural values, created not by a separate scientist, engineer or trainer personally, for sale mainly in societies hostile to us, and for personal enrichment, is a great theft and betrayal of a whole layer of our population - degenerate intelligentsia. This phenomenon is awaiting evaluation and research. Under the monarchy, the USSR was a whole organism; today, organicness is destroyed by the West in our weakness.

[New Year day]

everything is exactly as it is written. Azerbaijan has been forgotten; my friends from the hospital in Baku were evacuated on armored personnel carriers. They fled, leaving everything behind.
In Ukraine, I went through this and the prospect is clear, like a day.
Friends from Turkmenistan only fled with passports.
The reason for this is the desire of local princes to become kings, but they can’t afford the hat of Monomakh. So they came under the press of the "civilized world."
On the other hand, the image of Russia was, and even more so now, unattractive.
Enough drunk EBN to remember. Now, in power. I know some who came under the "Compatriots" program and left back; there is no work.

[g_ae]

And what does the "Russian world" do. Capitalism has been proclaimed in Russia, and quite a radical one. In power there are characters who do not have any relation to the "Russian world". By the way, they will remain for the next six years. If under the union all the republics complemented each other, then under capitalism even the EAEU countries are more likely to be competitors. And competitors are first destroyed, and then absorbed and exploited. And what difference does it make to me who will tear the skin from me? Deripaska with Abramovich, or local ghouls, or Americans, or Poles. The result is one.

[Victor N]

Yes, the position of Belarus in relation to the Russian World is known. Well, you won’t be forcibly sweet. Not remembering kinship, rootless cosmopolitans more and more.

[g_ae]

The statement that Belarus’s position on the Russian world is known is completely analogous to the statement that Russia’s guilt in the case of the Violinists and chemical attacks in Syria is known. The idea of ​​the Russian world is being destroyed by Russia itself. The term “Russian world” is like “perestroika” or “acceleration”. It seems that everything is correct, but in reality the company mockery. It turns out funny. Monarchism itself was most compromised by the monarchists themselves, the ideas of communism were perverted and stolen by the communists themselves, more harm to the ideas of liberalism than Gaidar, Chubais, etc. no one inflicted. So the idea of ​​the Russian world while compromising the policy of Russia itself.

[g_ae]

From the side, Russia looks like a two-faced Janus. On the one hand, on the box on numerous talk shows, the intensity of patriotism, "Russia has gotten off its knees," "Russia has concentrated," "traitors around," "Tagil rules," etc. On the other hand, a roguish government with relatives and oligarchs feverishly shoves from the pockets of the population and smuggles to the west everything that has any value. And above all soars a radiant and infallible image. Something like this. It is not surprising that authority among even the closest allies falls.

[Opera]

Comrade really expects that now they will begin to answer him with the same coin! Do not wait - in Belarus, for the most part, normal Russian people live! Of course you have nothing to do with them!

[g_ae]

Oh how. So there are normal Russians, but there are some kind of abnormal ones (by the way, I’m exactly Russian). But those who live in Miami or London are normal or not? And what, interestingly, is the criterion of normality? Hopefully not the size of a skull, ears or nose?

[Opera]

Exactly! There are normal Russians in Miami too and this is not about you! What are you simplifying to skulls, ears and noses to such an extent ?! You are so afraid of the word Russian that you are immediately ready to translate the topic into the Nazi plane ?!))) What Russian are you? Give you the criterion of Russianness?) Please - this is love for Russia! The concept of multidimensional begins with the small and tangible - the yard, house, street, and continuing in the completely incomprehensible to you Russian World and Russian Faith. All these are constant values ​​and do not depend on any political system, be it monarchism or socialism. The monarchy can be criticized and the Communists do not like! But in any case, Russian will not spit in his own country! If he is Russian, comrade Alexander Grekov.

[g_ae]

Well said. Pathos. But sorry. Past the box office. You yourself cut off, betrayed and abandoned millions of your compatriots. And continue to betray them. And it’s not about who is more Russian, but about the fact that continuing the policy towards neighbors in the same spirit you yourself help to tighten the notorious loop around you. And if, with your inaction, it burns with your neighbors, you will not sit behind the fence. A fire will certainly fall upon you. Especially prepared numerous fifth column. And to love Russia from a mansion on the coast is like a glutton's love for delicious food. And love for the motherland should not be blind. And if someone doesn’t like the voice of just that blazing belt, that doesn’t mean that you need to immediately come to a label and blame all mortal sins. This is a view from the side. If he does not like, it does not mean that he is not faithful. And the love of Russia and the love of the state (or rather the authorities) are two big differences.

[Opera]

Where did you see the pathos ?! If I still wouldn’t finish writing with pathos!)))))) On the contrary, I tried a little!))) But then you thoroughly ridiculed me - is Russia sitting behind the fence ?! Russia, then, just unlike some who are forbidden at the legislative level to use the army abroad, is fighting alone with terrorism almost alone if we take into account our fence neighbors! It’s for us that the neighbors also take away matches - children ...) About the fact that we betrayed someone and left you, you’ll start to grow up somehow! If you talk in such a tone, then all these accusations can be addressed to you with exactly the same reasons! Keep yourself in control. No tantrums. And at the expense of help from Russia ... Well, this is whose cow would moo ...))))) No comment!

[populist]

g_ae (Alexander Grekov)
Oh how. So there are normal Russians, but there are some kind of abnormal ones (by the way, I’m exactly Russian). But those who live in Miami or London are normal or not? And what, interestingly, is the criterion of normality?

Russians outside Russia assimilate very quickly and cease to be Russians. Just look at the history of three waves of Russian migrations.

[aybolyt678]

+ + +

Quote: g_ae

And what, interestingly, is the criterion of normality?

Any psycho considers himself normal - a psychiatrist criterion

[avia12005]

Dilemma: die slowly or die immediately? What difference does all one die! So better with music.

[Imobile]

with the help of completely insane propaganda such as "Muscovites are our fat!"

It was in the early 70's. The Russians were slaughtered in the western part, the cops were Bandera, and there was silence in the country. If there was freedom of speech, the Russian people would quickly put things in order. And so, only my mother fought with the chairman of the collective farm, who threw the tomatoes into the ditch, so that they would not get the kats pam. The collapse of the USSR is a great victory for the Russian people, which allowed them to get rid of the slavery of the republics. It is a pity that only all plants were built in the republics, and almost nothing was in Russia. But a couple of people on a stake from the Communist Party of the CPSU who make decisions on which they built in the republics and did not build anything in Russia would calm my heart.

[Pissarro]

Do you propose to throw off a couple more republics from the balance and once again celebrate the victory? Finish with a golden ring)

[Alecsandr]

Russia was, Russia is, Russia will be! All the same, our people will survive. Despite any "capitalism" No matter how all sorts of "theorists" of this very capitalism dodge, it becomes more and more clear that, to put it mildly, we went a little the wrong way. Socialism was also a good system. Large-scale production in the hands the state is everything else to private traders. Here is the key to success which went to China. There you can be a millionaire but you must be a patriot of the state. Otherwise, the party will "tell you" that you are mistaken. Our oligarchs have no such thoughts. They all have a "takeaway" to foreign banks

[Opera]

To you, dear Alexander, I will say - you are right in one thing! The national elites, both powerful and near-powerful and oligarchic and near-oligarchic, must be overwhelmingly nationally oriented! As for China and the leading role of the Communist Party, the CCP is nothing more than a brand! And if you could look at the life of an average Chinese from a province, then life in Russia would seem like a paradise to you! Unfortunately, you simply will not be allowed to even look at an ordinary Chinese village. Although try it, of course!) There is such a common expression in China - the party considers it necessary to think about someone or about something or does not consider it!) What you see on TV and what Zyuganov regularly talks about is only a very small part of China. Even the figure of the Chinese population of 1 people for 386 is very arbitrary. The Chinese themselves do not know the exact figure.) I can specially tell you such a Chinese feature - in our understanding, the pension in China is available to only 945% of the population. This is for those old people who worked in hardware positions and in the public sector. Pensioners have no benefits!

[Opera]

The article is definitely a plus! And the root of everything in this paragraph -
“What is happening now in almost all of the so-called national republics, these severed pieces of Russian territory, which in most cases never even had their own statehood on a historically significant scale, has one and absolutely even common denominator. This is a total and final sweep of everything somehow related to Russian civilization and to the historical borders of Russia. "
I will give you an example. From 2010 to the beginning of 2014 I lived in Crimea. He talked quite a lot with the Crimean Tatars about whom it is commonly believed that they are supposedly anti-Russian. This is not so, or rather not quite so. I knew several families who came to Crimea from one Central Asian republic and heard a lot about local nationalism just at the everyday level. So talking to the elderly Tatar and his two sons, I heard about the "normal" attitude of the indigenous nationality towards the Tatars, and not only when they came to the market regularly hung on them completely without hiding! This concerned everything - vegetables, fruits, meat, greens ... If someone from the Tatars began to be indignant, they immediately answered him - I don’t like it, go to your Russia!
Why did the Tatars send you to Russia, I ask ?! Well, like that ... To Russia!
All this is nothing but a completely wild inferiority complex of these pseudo-states and often pseudo-peoples! I don’t want to offend anyone, but the way it is - you can’t take and artificially create a people, cut their territory (often due to the absolutely legal territory of another good people), create a national language and written language from surzhik, dialect, slang and a bunch of other people's words from it some letters and adding others! You can’t come up with history and culture! No, of course, if you really want it you can! All this we are now observing! Only it will be an inferior people and an underdeveloped country! All their lives they will look unkindly at the creators, realizing their completely wild complexes and build their lives on the denial of fact and the glorification of myth! You can imagine such a slogan say - Russia is not Tajikistan! Well, or-the Russians are not Kazakhs! Not just to imagine, but to fill this slogan with national geopolitical meaning and, in general, a vector of development! Of course, the answer will be one - sick or something?!?!?! But you and I know such a country living under a similar slogan!
The belt of fire referred to in the article is certainly not a pleasant thing! But absolutely not deadly!
What to do? Well, for starters, to realize that this whole situation has developed completely normally from some of our or rather not so many decisions of the leaders of the country, which at that time was called Russia only abroad. Yes, and then Soviet! Start respecting yourself, and for this, know your great and ancient history! Stop spitting on it out of political sympathies and antipathies - the Russian Empire was not a prison of peoples, but the USSR a fiend of hell! And in general, as they say, many glorious pages of our history we can repeat if someone forgot ... Do not sprinkle ashes on your head and self-flagellate from the fact that, say, the Armenians have chosen a different development vector - they will wander and go back ... Quiet and calm for so many years one hundred! You know, we generally need to look around less! It will be much more useful if we often look inside ourselves and focus on OWN NATIONAL INTERESTS! Russia is not Europe and not Asia! We are Russia. It was we who created a great empire in which it was we who united many nations without prejudice to their traditions or faith. We take the best from these peoples, but give more! We live like this and have always lived like this! In Russia there is a place for both Uzbeks and Crimean Tatars ... unless of course Russia is the Fatherland for them, and not a source of personal well-being!
Simply put, we ourselves need to realize who we are ?! We are a completely self-sufficient civilization! We are the creators of this civilization! And you know what is the most wonderful? It's true!

[g_ae]

Facepal. And we also make rockets, and in the field of ballet (but no, it’s nude there ... Serebrennikov’s style remains). If you watch all the films that Russian masters of culture have shot in recent years (with state money, by the way). That there was no civilization and no. Only dirt, drunkenness, wildness. This is how you see yourself. And to others it shows. And you get awards at festivals. And terribly proud of it. Here it is necessary either to wear panties or remove the cross.

[Opera]

))) Of course we make rockets. Very good. You, something else you want to say?)

[From Siberia with love]

If for you the whole culture of the state depends on cinema (I can’t laugh), then you don’t have it at all). I can’t remember a single movie of yours))))

[KaPToC]

Quote: g_ae

That there was no civilization and no. Only dirt, drunkenness, wildness. This is how you see yourself. And to others it shows. And you get awards at festivals. And terribly proud of it. Here it is necessary either to wear panties or remove the cross.

It is surprising how much hatred for Russia the representative of Belarus has.
Ay, moderators, ban this comrade for anti-Russian statements.

[KERMET]

Quote: your1970

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

, the wife just cries sometimes from powerlessness, when she comes from work (teacher. technical school), what will happen to the country? this is our "future".

exactly the same thing the teachers said in my college about our group ..... in 1987-m ...
Like - there are no normal people, they don’t know anything / don’t know / don’t want to know, they don’t want to learn / there is no craving for knowledge ..."And which of them will grow ??? !!!"

And how they looked into the water ... "Geopolitical catastrophe" an example

[Al Capone]

do not forget to blame it all and Putinism ... which, under patriotic chants, does exactly the same thing ... what its owners are overseas .... if you remove the Crimea from all this bacchanalia ... then Putinism will have nothing left ... which could be interpreted as Russian national interests

[Pissarro]

You still have to remove a lot, and the utilization of terrorists in Syria and Chechnya, and the Donbass and streams, and missiles with planes and tanks. This is also Putinism and Russian national interests.

[KERMET]

Quote: your1970

Quote: Fedoslov

The author tactfully circumvents the question of how one modest person in the Kremlin, possessing broad powers, concentrating all the levers of power, preserves the current situation. He either does nothing, as is the case with the economy, or does not do enough, as is the case with Ukraine.

- What can you do about 404 country now? occupy? a country with a ruined economy and Bandera? get 30 million people who look askance or even partisans? Stalin (with his powers and capabilities !!!) couldn’t quickly deal with Bandera - they were already trying to fight in the 50s ...
And in the current conditions ... he does not have such opportunities / powers, alas - no ...

A good spoon for dinner, he missed his chance with a bunch of opportunities and powers

[iouris]

For a long time it’s blazed, but, as you know, Russians harness for a very long time, and then they don’t go anywhere. The Russian Foreign Ministry has completely different vectors.

[Oleg Kalugin]

Are you sure about the Russians? That is, I’ll clarify, are sure that the Russians are not going anywhere? Another clarification, or maybe they are allowed to harness, but that would not go to the wheels by sticking sticks and pins? And a hint not at external factors, but at internal problems!))

[Oleg Kalugin]

One person wrote literally the following in his comment:
"If Putin after the inauguration does not arrange a personnel" halocost ", then our country may not have a future."
And in these words there is a multilevel meaning, you can replace the word "Holocaust" with "pogrom", but the essence will remain the same, namely, that the personnel policy in the country (which is the basis of any state after philosophy and ideology according to its mission in the world and domestic politics ) full kryndets! Or rather, to say that such a personnel policy leads the whole Russian world to complete (oh) - ***** (substitute the word yourself, let's say disaster)

[turbris]

Or maybe it’s just liberation from the load that Russia carried within the USSR? Neighbors should not be drawn to their side, they themselves should strive for friendship and cooperation with Russia, and if they choose more profitable "friends", then this is their right. There will be in Russia an appropriate standard of living of the population, dramatically different from neighboring countries, and "friends" will be in line for friendship. Therefore, the further development of Russian civilization directly depends on the economic development of Russia, in modern conditions, no ideological dogmas are in force - if so smart, why are you so poor? And that’s it, the whole ideology ends there, unfortunately, and no grandiose plans for further development entice anyone, but why are you living so poorly now? Friendship has become purely material, and this is clearly demonstrated by our neighbors, not giving subsidies and loans, well, we will go to be friends with those who give. Because most of the leaders of our former republics are natives of the CPSU and the USSR, who are used to the distribution system and cannot imagine the independent development of their countries, the generation of these leaders may change and then the neighbors will pursue a more balanced policy.

[iouris]

Quote: turbris

Or maybe it’s just liberation from the load that Russia carried within the USSR?

"Within the framework of the USSR," Russia was the USSR, and not "carried the load." The Russian Federation and all other "independent" states are disabled donors to "partners" - supranational economic structures, butchering objects from which these "partners" cut the tidbits using the same methods that were used to colonize the Indians. As you know, the Indians sold the pale-faced Manhattan for glass beads. Doesn’t resemble anything?

[ex oriente lux]

This most alleged fire belt is the land and peoples that were once captured by force. All the peoples of the land there for Russians were foreigners, that is, second-class people. What else do you want in return? There is no Russian world there, the peoples there have their own world, which the invaders-aliens once rudely invaded. And why shouldn’t the Russians leave their Russian world to themselves, and not impose it on other nations.

[iouris]

Quote: Ex oriente lux

All the peoples of the land there for Russians were foreigners, that is, second-class people.

Is this a quote from Goebbels?

[Pissarro]

Goebels co-author of their training manual)

[zoolu350]

Well, as I understand it, the mattresses and the Germans, other nations, too, were EXTREMELY sorry for such an extent that there was no trace of them. So you owe for the humanism of the Russian people and more.

[Imobile]

Quote: Pissarro

Do you propose to throw off a couple more republics from the balance and once again celebrate the victory? Finish with a golden ring)

Well, at least then maybe we will take a look at our villages, the collapsed barracks in central Russia, the toilets in the yards and begin to rebuild Russia. Maybe asphalt, at least on Lenin’s central street, we’ll put it, at least in several settlements ... Did everyone see our homeland beyond the Moscow Ring Road?

[Pissarro]

I am from Orel, I was born there, beyond the Moscow Ring Road. Who should build a toilet and a hut in a village, Putin personally?

[KaPToC]

Quote: Pissarro

Who should build a toilet and a hut in a village, Putin personally?

At least two people think that Putin personally needs to build a toilet for them.

[turbris]

Yes, there are plenty of those who believe that the state is obliged to them to wipe ....... On TV, they show in what terrible conditions the grandmother lives in a communal apartment, the wallpaper is torn off, the paint has peeled off, and next to her is the bully of her son, who could restore order completely in three days, but no, they are waiting for help from the state, disgrace!

[free]

Quote: Pissarro

I am from Orel, I was born there, beyond the Moscow Ring Road. Who should build a toilet and a hut in a village, Putin personally?

And who should?

[ex oriente lux]

Quote: Ex oriente lux

“What is happening now in almost all of the so-called national republics, these severed pieces of Russian territory, which in most cases never even had their own statehood on a historically significant scale, has one and absolutely even common denominator. This is a total and final sweep of everything somehow related to Russian civilization and to the historical borders of Russia. "

As long as there are people who think and write such opuses, the national suburbs will further move away from the Russians and Russia.

[Abrascha]

In fact, everything is much simpler “They are afraid, it means respect” They ceased to be afraid, they ceased to respect.

[turbris]

And how do you want to bring them closer? After all, this leadership of these same suburbs limits the study of the Russian language, forces Russians out of the governing bodies, it is easier to manage, their locals are not able to criticize them and impose a life presidency. Even in Russia, look at Tatarstan, there is a struggle for everyone to compulsorily study the Tatar language, I also have to know the national language for once living in the republic, but this should be a voluntary decision.

[Abrascha]

Well, what do you want if the Kremlin itself demonstrates that there are no Russian people for him, and there is no way to call them, and the Russian nation as such does not exist (there are only some Russians, hell knows who they are nationality, how close Russian culture is to them, and whether they know Russian at all, most importantly, a passport). Well, what do you want from local feudal lords? While they do not cut Russian in mass numbers, and thanks for that.

[turbris]

What are you saying and what are you on what grounds decided? And what kind of nation exists, only your Zuckerman? The Kremlin is just preoccupied with the existence of Russian civilization, in spite of you, longing for its demise. And the Russians are not a nation, they are people living in Russia and they are of different nationalities, it would be time for you to know this for the great "expert".

[Radical]

Amazing! I did not expect such a good article from the author! Respect however!

[Abrascha]

I agree with you. Great article. I’m only afraid, it’s just “another glaring cry in the desert.”

[Radical]

Quote: Ex oriente lux

Quote: Ex oriente lux

“What is happening now in almost all of the so-called national republics, these severed pieces of Russian territory, which in most cases never even had their own statehood on a historically significant scale, has one and absolutely even common denominator. This is a total and final sweep of everything somehow related to Russian civilization and to the historical borders of Russia. "

As long as there are people who think and write such opuses, the national suburbs will further move away from the Russians and Russia.

You do not confuse those who manage and ordinary citizens of these "national suburbs"! No matter how much I met with representatives of the former Soviet republics, everyone curses those who “steers” from them and regret the bygone Union!

[Abrascha]

That's the way it is, yes people regret it. Only since when did the people there at least decide something?

[Curious]

A very revealing article in the framework of the next campaign "We are in the ring of enemies."
If you look at the pyramid of needs according to Maslow, then on it a person can tend up, can down. When striving up, it is necessary to create appropriate social conditions in the country. But if you provide the image of the enemy, the man is no longer up to the highest levels, down to security, that's it. Suggesting to the population the image of an external enemy gives, perhaps, the best effect from the point of view of control theory, allowing you to keep it at the bottom of the pyramid of needs. It is desirable to subject the enemy to maximum dehumanization, to represent the human race as bloodthirsty and unworthy. The enemy’s figure can be either personified or collective: states, ethnic groups, ideologies (nationalism, fascism, socialism, imperialism - underline as necessary) - all of them in the public consciousness represent a threat to public well-being.
All that remains is to follow the created image, transforming it in accordance with the needs of the moment.

[kan123]

According to this cheap psychology, the CIA also works - a person has two needs - his place in society and his place for himself, for himself. According to the first point - if you make an outcast from any country - the population begins to feel bad, demolishes their country - as was the case with the USSR.
This is fine, but today the CIA and the United States themselves are in this position - they are outcasts, no matter how much media they buy, they are in the same hole they were digging.

[Curious]

And when will the American population demolish the United States and the CIA?

[kan123]

When will they start? For any reason, they will begin.

[Curious]

Blessed is he who believes, it is warm to him in the world!

[iouris]

As you know, Abraham Maslow created a freedom theory by studying monkeys. Having transformed an individual into a primate, it is easy to control people in accordance with this theory.

[vladikod]

And the Russian elites, urged from abroad by “partners”, are plotting against Putin or quietly sabotaging the president’s efforts to restore the country's sovereignty ... And this is far from all ... Full impression that there is a “choking” of the country's power structures in the eradication of terrorism already on the territory of the country ... Time requires decisive steps from the president and the government, but time is running out and no positive changes are visible ... Russia is stuck in Syria, and on its territory the rotten and corrupt elite and the corruption it engenders have not yet been deduced. ..

[Abrascha]

Are you really so sure that he himself is all so white, and the environment is simply sabotaging his decrees? And he doesn’t know anything about this? Ai-i-ai, he's a former KGB colonel. And they didn’t seem to be holding there? Or do I don’t know something?

[Irina Krivtsova]

How tired of this "cry of Yaroslavna." Guys, those who are sitting in quiet offices (diplomats, intelligence, counterintelligence, analytical centers, etc. various officials) and what are you doing there if the situation is getting worse and worse. It turns out YOU are working against Russia. Just squeeze the loot. So bring Russia to the "pen"

[Abrascha]

TSSS, quietly, do not bribe children with money from Lubyanka to cut money))))

[Prospero]

Everything is correct, but we must end this!

[SHAH]

[i] [/ i] Kozma Prutkov said, look at the root. Indeed, everyone is discussing what happened to the Russians and what they came to. Why not ask a question, and who is the conductor and catalyst of ideas, you need to speak bluntly - destruction
Russian and Russian! When this process began, it did not start yesterday and not in 1992. After all, everything is so
it is cunningly arranged that it seems that the Russian people are destroying their country themselves. English always said look
one or those who benefit, profit, gesheft, look who today is the winner, read their real
surnames, find out their nationality - they are the hidden and obvious enemies of Russia. And this fight to destroy
Russia lasts from about 1795 after the partition and accession of Poland in the Russian Empire. Without a truly Russian Government, without national patriotic forces and without purging the country of imaginary friends
the country does not survive. To bring the country to a state where presenting as a big "victory" the law on collecting deadwood,
when thousands, millions of hectares of forest are stolen and burned, this "deadwood law" mockery
by the people. And so, not only with deadwood, but with all the wealth of the bowels, and everything else.

[FRAME]

Cleansing from Russian civilization? Why did we announce the Crimea, did we take care of the Russians? because if we didn’t take it, the US fleet would already be there, it’s geopolitics, who owns the Crimea, who owns the Black Sea, with Russian values ​​here. Syria, we care about the much suffering people of Syria and are fighting the universal evil of the igil? an oil pipe goes through Syria, it’s a struggle for resources, Russia is building the same world as in the West, or rather, this world is building a handful of oligarchs on both sides, only those guys invest in long-term production profits, and ours send them to fast and fastest profits legally through the center, the Bank of the Russian Federation again goes to the hated west, while there is a brainwashing on both sides about the right world and the wrong one, and the truth is that it seems that someone cares about our GOOD condition, it used to be righteous war as GREAT PATRIOTIC, war for an idea! and now one handful of the rich is fighting with another handful of the rich through us, in life we ​​must choose the least evil, all are appointed, all are put in their places!

[zoolu350]

Well, finally, a robust article on how the last vestiges of Russia (RF) will be destroyed. When the owners create a gray zone from the former Ukraine, Georgia, Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan, it will strike the last hour of Russian history. Even thousands of sbch in the indicated territories will not help, because by the decision of the owners of the Fed, the remnants of the Russians and mankurts with a changed consciousness should die. Destroyed millions will be replaced by millions of rabble from all the chaos zones created by the Fed owners, who will be eternally happy. And adherents of the Khpp and slaves of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation, seeing how they destroy their families, will bitterly regret that instead of opposing the owners of the Fed, they were whitening the cowardly and stupid actions of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation.

[andrej-shironov]

said the same Vladimir Putin in his message to the Federal Assembly on March 1 of this year

Sorry! It’s a pity I say that Vladimir Vladimirovich only speaks, and to each his own and it is completely incomprehensible, what is he for? It would be better if he did the GDP and did not say. We have many talkers, even urapatriotichnyh, like the author.

[turbris]

Are you not a talker, only anti-patriotic?

[andrej-shironov]

Kago I will survive! Turbris himself honored me with an answer. While the talker, but times are changing, the situation is getting worse and passionarity is growing. The time will come and shoot a gun on the wall. We have a different understanding of the differences between the homeland and the state. For me, the typical antipatriot is you.

[stasevich45]

Lord Help us.

[SamTarley]

Relatively pro-Russian power which became the object of aggression of the next Maidan.

Who is to blame that any pro-Russian government is thieving and not popular among the people?

[Aleksandro]

First: Moldovan Jew Petro Poroshenko, who, by the will of fate, ended up in Ukraine, successfully tried on the mask of the Ukrainian banderlog. But this is only the mask that his oligarchic colleagues from the "world government" forced him to wear. But in his soul he remained the same who he was - a Jewish lad from Moldova who is ready to become anyone, i.e. whoever the "world government" orders, and wherever it rules, it may have another "homeland" there. Second: why only Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova? And the "brotherly Kazakhstan" which goes to the Latin alphabet, ceases to support us in the Security Council, etc.? I remember how 25 years ago, Nazarbayev swore "eternal friendship" on Yeltsin on Russian TV, and then spoke on the Kazakh radio in Kazakh, urging the "indigenous nation" to drive all these ethnically alien elements, who robbed them of a well-deserved pie. It’s good that I managed to learn Kazakh at school, it came in handy, it’s interesting to listen to those who in your presence speak nasty things about you, thinking that you do not understand them. I was very surprised when I moved to Russia and saw that the vast majority of Russians were (and still are) captivated by illusions about Kazakhstan and its leadership. By the way, more people moved from Kazakhstan to the Russian Federation than from the remaining 13 republics of the former USSR combined. As a result, the share of the Kazakh population of the republic increased from 32% to 67%. This is so, information for consideration. About the "ethnic cleansing" of the 90s is silent. Unfortunately, there is no need to look for allies in the post-Soviet space - we do not have them there. There, all have either been processed or will be processed in the near future. Better to look for them somewhere in Asia, Africa, Latin America, there is still hope. Third: they must be answered using their own methods: to sow interethnic, interracial and interreligious discord in their own territory, to actively carry out anti-Western propaganda in the “3rd world”. Well, it would be nice if they repeated on 11.09.2001/1/2 as often as possible (they did not shame in sponsoring our terrorists during the years of the "XNUMXst and XNUMXnd Chechen", so let them get the same). As the saying goes, "live with wolves ..." And there is no need to harbor any illusions about the "normalization of relations." Any concessions will be perceived as weakness and the next step will further tighten the loop on our neck. If they haven’t done us the biggest nasty thing yet, it means they still cannot afford it because of possible undesirable consequences. As soon as they can, they will certainly do it, because there is no such disgust that they would not want us to do. Alas, this is so ...

[Abrascha]

You say everything correctly, everything is so, and not only in Kazakhstan, but in general in all of central Asia

[turbris]

Not everything is so simple, don’t listen to our propagandists, the real standard of living in Ukraine and Kazakhstan is not much different from Russia, except perhaps in Moscow and St. Petersburg. And only when the standard of living in Russia will be many times higher, then the total dissatisfaction with the leadership policies of these countries among the population may appear, so all efforts should be aimed at improving the standard of living of the people in Russia. In the West, they understand this and are striving with all their might to hinder the growth of the Russian economy through all sorts of sanctions, we can survive, it means we have no one to fear in this world, we cannot - it means we are weaklings and there is nothing to show muscles to everyone.

[free]

Quote: turbris

Not everything is so simple, don’t listen to our propagandists, the real standard of living in Ukraine and Kazakhstan is not much different from Russia, except perhaps in Moscow and St. Petersburg. And only when the standard of living in Russia will be many times higher, then the total dissatisfaction with the leadership policies of these countries among the population may appear, so all efforts should be aimed at improving the standard of living of the people in Russia. In the West, they understand this and are striving with all their might to hinder the growth of the Russian economy through all sorts of sanctions, we can survive, it means we have no one to fear in this world, we cannot - it means we are weaklings and there is nothing to show muscles to everyone.

Bullshit! Laws are passed by the government, and it kills the economy.

[turbris]

Are you such a great connoisseur of laws and economics? Then justify your position not only with the word "nonsense"!

[Imobile]

Quote: Pissarro

I am from Orel, I was born there, beyond the Moscow Ring Road. Who should build a toilet and a hut in a village, Putin personally?

And the fact that ordinary people have no money from the word at all, is Putin not to blame? Why in the Caucasian republics (I have nothing against and am happy for them) are there completely mansions, but in the central part there are not at all? Not because money is all going there?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Imobile

Why are there mansions in the Caucasian republics, but not in the central part? Not because money is all going there?

Well, let's say, "money went here." What do you need from that? Do you personally have more money from this?
Hardly so?
What I mean is that “going there” money on the number of mansions (“there”), if they influence, is not strong

[free]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Quote: Imobile

Why are there mansions in the Caucasian republics, but not in the central part? Not because money is all going there?

Well, let's say, "money went here." What do you need from that? Do you personally have more money from this?
Hardly so?
What I mean is that “going there” money on the number of mansions (“there”), if they influence, is not strong

The conversation is not about whose oligarchs will use the money, but about why money is stolen.

[icant007]

It's not about the money. The point is in culture, in relation to life. Our people will live in mud for 30 years, but the desire to cultivate a track near the site will not arise. Because many profess the philosophy of NHON (for hell it is necessary). But talking is not tossing bags, so now most of them are guttural, taking selfies and dealing with theological disputes.

[turbris]

When you go along the M-10, there are villages with dilapidated houses and the strangest thing is that people either live or use them for summer cottages, you get the impression that the fate of those living there is hard, but when you notice Mercedes and other foreign cars near these houses and courtyards, people ask and you yourself are not ashamed to live in such conditions?

[Siberia 9444]

Russian take home, immigrants over the fence! To raise my economy, and the fact that Tashkent does not speak Russian personally, I don’t care! Or what, let's continue to pour money into the neighbors! Only then are we good for them. Remember the words of Stalin about his economy, as well as about his army (about the army not Stalin) and let the rest go through the woods

[Abrascha]

You know, if it’s completely honest, the reinforced concrete principle “They are afraid means respect” applies in all these countries, and exactly at the moment when Russia is no longer afraid there (I must honestly admit that the Kremlin, with its cohesive policies, did everything possible for this and even more), exactly at the same moment Russia was no longer respected. So everything is very simple.

[Imobile]

Quote: icant007

It's not about the money. The point is in culture, in relation to life. Our people will live in mud for 30 years, but the desire to cultivate a track near the site will not arise. Because many profess the philosophy of NHON (for hell it is necessary). But talking is not tossing bags, so now most of them are guttural, taking selfies and dealing with theological disputes.

You do not love your people. And you didn’t wonder why, having left for another country, our people fit in perfectly? And they don’t feel nostalgia for a firm hand, and they cut the lawn 2 times a week, and they write programs, they invent engines, they build aircraft, processors make electric cars, etc. ... But only the management convinces us that we would and not worthy of more

[Украинец]

Pancake! Stop crying for the union. Disintegrated and figs with him. The weakest is dying!
You need to think about what's next.
Should I try to create another alliance?
Who! How? On what terms?
Maybe other options?

Time is running out. Questions need to be addressed.
While Russia is strong, decisions need to be made and implemented.
If Russia smacks of a fist on the table, they will listen to it.
But time is short. Serious fundamental steps are needed!

[Imobile]

Quote: Siberia 9444

immigrants over the fence

And I like that Russia is a multinational state. I would let all the normal ones who are going to comply with our laws (normal laws that have not yet been written)

[Siberia 9444]

We have it and so much national !! We are laughing at Europe, and they are mired in immigrants! They will take out the money abroad and this is a huge minus for the economy

[PANTELEIMON]

If the Russian neocommunists continue to undermine political power and in every way harm the development of the market mechanism in economic life, then they will also destroy the Russian Federation. After all, they destroyed the Soviet Union, but they do not recognize this and do not repent. but they continue to frighten the world with the restoration of the Stalinist regime, which served as the cause of the collapse of all Soviet “achievements”.

[kan123]

neo-communist also means some kind of movement of "New Communism" - where are these textbooks and scholars of "New Communism"? The funny thing is not this, but the fact that you already live in a market economy, and the whole world, where you still don’t want to die, lives modernized in the conditions of hood relations, socialism, or as it is called - capitalist, already a word - an insult in Europe. They live in the USSR, and we live at the dawn of their history, we go through all this rake, stupidly and mercilessly. Everything will fall apart too, but the level that they have has more to do with Marx than with the "market economy". That's the whole neocommunism in the world.

[tazilion]

The above is correct and fair.
Ignorance - Half Living Peak
its destructive popularity.
Many people know the well-known idea of ​​who believes, and WHO LOCATES.
But what if one day, ignorance on Earth disappears?
Just check:
BELIEVE KNOWLEDGE BLADES WILL REMAIN
OVZN, where the choice of “O” excludes “H”, leaving “OZ”, which means: there will be believers who know.
9777, where the choice of "9" follows from a pair of extreme elements of the structure, leaving the pair in the middle - "77", which
means: believers who know will remain.
The coincidence of choice for letters and numbers is a sign of true choice.
Knowing, believing - "Predestination" tazilion.ru or tazilion.fo.ru

[kan123]

Objective economic laws, as Lenin understood them, and in general any statesman in the Republic of Ingushetia and the "outskirts" —that was the basis for the economic mega-fat of the USSR — consisted in the fact that the Republic of Ingushetia simply did not have money for industrialization. The "capitalist" version - how England, the USA, France, Germany developed, were not applicable to the Republic of Ingushetia from which the USSR emerged. The same thing - as it is today - for the Russian Federation, or some kind of Latvia there - throughout the hepolitic of these lands, access to world markets is closed - because - competitors. The same thing happened a hundred years ago. All that Lenin was looking for was money for industrialization, and the task of the "world powers", respectively, was not to give this opportunity. Money was found, and a lot of money, by abolishing h. Property. As Gorbachev introduced it, all the republics rained down. And no jack, no money, no lift. The economy of the USSR brought to the treasury 100% of revenue from any sales. Today, how much taxes - 14%, of which another half will be washed off - and the same thing in the world - the more taxes on wealth, the more democratic the country, and the better people live.
Today, history repeats itself - the Russian Federation is being withdrawn from the game, and again it will not find money.
In addition to objective economic laws, there is a theme that the republics, maybe except Belarus, turned out to be an ineffective force, taking away 50% of this very economy - like in capitalism - it took 50% of the economy, income, made 150% of them, or at least 20% Navara. It was even foolish to keep it in socialism. The Stalinist economy yielded 40% growth, and the Brezhnevian economy forced it to "scream in the desert of stupidity and corruption" "the economy should be economical - do not gobble up money, you need to make money out of it" - he turned to the republics because economists had already beaten alarming about these "fraternal republics."

[Serhiodjan]

In fact, all this will ultimately play into the hands of Russia and the Russians. You just need to develop inside, become stronger economically, and stop this mediocre managerial policy of the Yeltsin style on all fronts. It is impossible to forgive the debts of the republics, just pure trade and economic expansion in a legal way. And the matter will be ours, because our resource and people's potential is much higher, there are no great scientists among the Kazakhs and Turkmens, or rather, they were in an alliance, but after complete separation from the Russians, something is unlikely to appear. As a result, all of them will understand that without us nowhere and everything will return to square one, but there can be no question of any unification with any of them - Belarus and Ukraine - yes these are our guys, whatever they think now, these are eastern Slavs, but I don’t have any cultural community with the Uzbek, and I don’t want to live in the same state with him. I am glad about the collapse of the USSR, and I completely disagree with the thesis of the article “that these are our territories”, these are their territories - Uzbeks, Kazakhs, etc. and let them live there themselves, trade - yes, to visit - yes, together - no. We are a self-sufficient country, if there was less power, people who only think about themselves would already be leaders, but this is the case - we don’t have to change anyway.

[Alexander Lubov]

I read the article and completely agree with it.
Considering the current situation in the world, Russia needs to reconsider its attitude towards all former “friends”, and in fact, republics that lived on large infusions of funds that were distributed to the detriment of the RSFSR.
Since 1978, for work, I have visited the former republics several times, with the exception of Tajikistan and Estonia, and saw how they developed, rebuilt, developed their industry, and built good roads. And the majority were Russians everywhere, both workers and engineers, who formed the backbone of many industrial enterprises.
Against their background, life in the RSFSR, especially in villages and towns, was more modest, if not poorer.
The greatest harm to the Russian people was caused by Lenin’s construction of our state along national lines! A kind of socialist demarcation of nationalities into their own corners, in which localism, clanism, teipism, nepotism, and nationalist habits began to develop.
If we want our society to be an integral body, with uniform development of all regions, then it will be necessary to reconsider the administrative division of the country!
Today we need to refocus all our capabilities on solving the social problems of our society, not forgetting, of course, about strengthening the defense capability of our Motherland.
After the inauguration, the President of the Russian Federation will sign a decree containing a plan for the economic development of Russia for the next six years, for the implementation of which almost 10 trillion will be allocated. rubles
The time has come to thoroughly begin restoring the former strength of our economy - the key to the successful development of the country and improving the standard of living of Russians!

[Abrascha]

Well, back in March 2014, GDP had a real opportunity to reverse centrifugal phenomena, but money turned out to be more expensive. And his press conference following a meeting with the President of Switzerland at which he mumbled that he did not recognize the people’s referendum in Donbass, but simply “respected” it (if only he knew what he meant by this), greatly undermined the authority of both the GDP itself and the entire Russia in the CIS. The local feudal lords finally realized that they could finally not stand on ceremony with the Russian people who hovered on their territory, because now no one could call it Russia. And all the Russian-speaking people still remaining there can be started to be slaughtered even tomorrow, the Kremlin will not lift a finger to save them. Russia has once again betrayed the Russians (again again). In essence, there is nothing new in this, it has always been so, it is so and it will be so. Dear Russians, aren’t you ashamed?

[Radical]

Quote: Abrascha

Are you really so sure that he himself is all so white, and the environment is simply sabotaging his decrees? And he doesn’t know anything about this? Ai-i-ai, he's a former KGB colonel. And they didn’t seem to be holding there? Or do I don’t know something?

[Ragoz]

In six years, Russia may not exist at all if domestic policy does not change.

[populist]

rkkasa 81,
For some reason I can't reply to the same thread. All your arguments are quite easily refuted.

There have always been separatists in the union republics, but until the mid-80s there were not so many of them

How do you know? Did you count them? There were few of them because...

they were successfully crushed

And the very exit of the republics from the USSR in 1990-1991 was already the final phase of collapse, the process began earlier.

Has nothing to do with the point.

Well, don’t forget about June 12, 1990 - Declaration of State Sovereignty of the RSFSR. For example, in Estonia, a referendum on independence was held in March 1991.

Fraud. Before the Belovezhskaya Conspiracy, 12 republics declared independence, not sovereignty. If they were all for the union, they might not have announced anything.

Well, the most important thing is who is more important, the leaders of the entire state, or the leaders of its individual parts? Naturally, the leadership of the entire state is more important

The USSR is a voluntarily united state with the right to secede. All of these 12 republics had national authorities legally elected by the people. They were more important. And when these authorities declared independence, none of these peoples objected.
So you will not be able to blame the national republics for the collapse of the USSR on the Russians. I don’t know for what reason and where you get such ideas from.

[PVL176]

How he throws either the master or comrade Selivanov - either for his health or for his peace. Well, at least it’s like this, otherwise I’m tired of reading odes about our great ruler and his deeds.

[turbris]

Where did you read the odes? Give me a link or do all the comments in support of the legally elected government annoy you?

[Bakht]

your1970,
Yes, I once had to read a history textbook. Do you provide documents for 1928?.... 1929 is the year of the “Great Turning Point”. The decision to “build socialism in one single country” was made in 1929.
Oh yes... Tomsky... Trotskyist?
The facts indicate that Stalin did not pursue a policy of “expansion.” He collected the lands of the Russian Empire. And no more than that.
The fact that Stalin betrayed the interests of the revolution was said by such different people as Mussolini, Churchill, Trotsky... and Solzhenitsyn. Mussolini generally called Stalin an anti-communist in the 30s. They probably saw something and knew a little more than us, who study history from textbooks. Churchill wrote that as soon as Stalin began to build the Russian national state, the policy of the USSR changed.
Hmmm. We have to admit that the true Russian tsars were Catherine and Stalin....

[Bakht]

zoolu350,
Did I describe support for Stalin? It seems I wrote something completely different. Stalin said that revolution was impossible in Western Europe. And he provided minimal support through the Comintern. Just so they don't die of hunger. By the way, I also argued with Dimitrov. He himself put him at the head of the Comintern. Has anyone heard of Dimitrov after the famous trial?
The Brezhnev Union also provided support to the national liberation movement. Did anyone living at that time talk about a “world revolution”?
Do not confuse material assistance to all sorts of movements and state policy aimed at a “world fire”. It was under Brezhnev that they talked about “peaceful coexistence.”
You can find a lot of quotes on the Internet. Different, fitting any point of view. But I know for sure that there was confrontation, there was also material support for advantageous groups. At both sides. The USSR hoped for the death of capitalism. The West did everything to defeat the USSR. This is war.
But as for the question of why the USSR was created? So this is entirely the work of Lenin, Trotsky and other destroyers. Stalin was against the creation of the USSR. But by the time he gained weight and authority, it would have been difficult to change anything. So he left everything as it was.

[Sergey2068]

Amazing! “The scale of these catastrophic losses was best said by the same Vladimir Putin in his message to the Federal Assembly on March 1 of this year.”
But didn’t Vladimir Putin and figures like him have their little hands on this catastrophe? Putin, being a KGB officer, betrayed his oath and, at a critical moment for the USSR, simply and unpretentiously resigned on August 20, 91. And after that he tells us about this disaster. And the systematic destruction of the remnants of everything Soviet - industry, medicine, culture, art and education under his strict leadership for the past 18 years - you don’t want to talk about this. A Russian patriot is not the one who shouts about it the loudest. Putin serves the interests of the oligarchs of Russia, it is under him that the population of Russia is becoming poorer, but some of his representatives regularly replenish the Forbes lists as new billionaires of Russia. Putin is Yeltsin’s heir, and is pursuing the same policy of gradually destroying the Russian world. At the same time, he artificially disguises himself as a patriot, and the people, with open ears, eat it and continue to vote for their gradual destruction.

[TimurEkgardt]

In Russia itself, education has also fallen. It is unclear what and how modern youth are taught and how such stupid ones are released after 11th grade. I came from Uzbekistan, I know that there, in Tashkent, there are Russian schools on par with Uzbek ones, if not more. In smaller areas, of course, but in villages not at all. I know a bunch of people my age (25-30 years old) from Uzbekistan who speak and write Russian better than native Russians. And all because Uzbekistan has not made any significant reforms since the collapse of the USSR. Medicine has not changed (they treat everyone and almost everything), education (I already said), and the agricultural industry, if necessary, they will use old equipment and plant fields with wheat or fruit without any problems at all. Question. Why did I leave there? It's simple. There was even more corruption there than here. Every person more or less connected to power began to suck money from wherever he could get it. Even the cops, they were called shrubs there because of their green uniform, were sometimes scared more often than bandits (and they knew them by sight).

[Imobile]

Quote: TimurEkgardt

In Russia itself, education has also fallen. It is unclear what and how modern youth are taught and how such stupid ones are released after 11th grade. I came from Uzbekistan, I know that there, in Tashkent, there are Russian schools on par with Uzbek ones, if not more. In smaller areas, of course, but in villages not at all. I know a bunch of people my age (25-30 years old) from Uzbekistan who speak and write Russian better than native Russians. And all because Uzbekistan has not made any significant reforms since the collapse of the USSR. Medicine has not changed (they treat everyone and almost everything), education (I already said), and the agricultural industry, if necessary, they will use old equipment and plant fields with wheat or fruit without any problems at all. Question. Why did I leave there? It's simple. There was even more corruption there than here. Every person more or less connected to power began to suck money from wherever he could get it. Even the cops, they were called shrubs there because of their green uniform, were sometimes scared more often than bandits (and they knew them by sight).

The quality of education has not decreased. It has grown if you look at one school at a time. The fact is that in different regions it is at different levels. It all depends on the teachers. In Moscow, at a higher level, teachers at a higher level also left for the republics. And not yet a desire. I remember how I searched the entire library and couldn’t find a single book on physics, now the Internet is getting easier

[icant007]

Quote: Tatiana

Quote: icant007
Why do they need this understanding?
To survive naturally.

Well, you and I, let’s say, understand that. But how will we reach the peoples?

[Homeland]

The friendliest countries towards Russians are Belarus and Azerbaijan. But Russia does not support Azerbaijan, but Armenia (in which there is nothing Russian except the base). And there are always some kind of food wars with Belarus. Then what difference does it make to be friends or not to be friends with Russia????

[DPN]

In Soviet times, education was very good, it seems that this was the reason for the collapse of the USSR, but we were the most reading country and now we have finished reading. Things didn’t work out for the former sister republics; natural resources remained in Russia, hence the envy and anger at Russia. The collapse of the USSR gave birth to a class of exploiters, who benefited from this? What Russia left in 19917 has returned again.

[Vadim Golubkov]

Surely, in addition to Armenia, they will excite Kazakhstan and Belarus, and they will make more attempts in Kyrgyzstan.... The Kyrgyz seem to have come to their senses.... they understand what Color Revolutions are and life is even worse...

[Camry30]

So many armchair analysts in the comments directly prophesy that “Kazakhstan will flare up soon,” “We need to reconsider our attitude towards all republics.”
1. No matter how much you would like it, Kazakhstan will continue to develop with a peaceful sky above its head
2. What is your relationship with others? Everyone around us is enemies, and our allies are the army and navy you even manage to kick the Belarusians and their Old Man