US Navy received another landing ship

In Portland (Oregon), the ceremony of entering into the US Navy the next amphibious assault ship USS Portland (LPD-27), transmits RIA News.

According to the US Naval Institute, the ship belongs to the class of airborne transport docks of the type "San Antonio". The ship will play "the role of the flagship vessel at the international naval exercises RIMPAC 2018, which will take place in the summer in Hawaii," then it will be equipped with "laser weapons Laser Weapon System, developed by request of the US Navy. "

I am confident that USS Portland will proudly present both the United States and the people of Portland in naval operations around the world for decades to come,

declared at the ceremony, Minister of the Navy Richard Spencer.

Portland was the eleventh landing ship class San Antonio. It is “designed to transport and support more than 800 Marines”, can carry amphibious vehicles aboard boats, as well as MV-22 Osprey helicopters and converters.

Comments

[san4es]

USS Portland (LPD-27) Home Port of San Diego, California. Key Features: Full displacement of 25000 tons. Length 208,4 meters, width 31,9 meters, draft 7 meters. Speed ​​22 knots. Crew: 28 officers, 333 sailors.
Power plant: four Colt-Pielstick diesel engines, two shafts. 40000 hp (30 MW).
Onboard there are two LCAC type air cushion landing boats. It can take on board 699 Marines, including 66 officers. If necessary, up to 800 people.
Armament: 2 × RIM-116 RAM air defense launchers; 2 x 30 mm artillery mount Mark 44 (Bushmaster II).
Air wing: four CH-46 Sea Knight helicopters or two MV-22 Osprey helicopters (a tiltrotor combining the individual capabilities of an airplane and a helicopter).

29 Aug 2017

[vorobey]

Quote: san4es

Aug 2017 year

have you already decided on the place of eternal parking?

[Kleber]

Mariinsky Depression ....

[Hole puncher]

Quote: Kleber

Mariinsky Depression ....

In the Kemerovo region?

[Kleber]

Her, off the coast of the Belarusian Sea))))))

[Vitaly Anisimov]

The United States knows how to mass produce (a lot of money))) ... In the Second World War it was like that with Liberty, the Germans drown and drown them .. And they are increasingly being sent to Europe!
Well, now the Russians will take care of the USA!

[hydrox]

Quote: MIKHAN

This was the case with Liberty in the Second World War, the Germans drown and drown them .. And they are increasingly being sent to Europe!

The technology was good!
60 days - and the next Liberty is already getting loaded - and this is only at one shipyard, and there were a dozen and a half shipyards!

[vadim dok]

In the USSR, these Liberty
walked until the end of the 60 years of the 20 century!

[Normal ok]

Quote: vadim dok

In the USSR, these Liberty
walked until the end of the 60 years of the 20 century!

Moreover, we also built our own on this type. And they walked up to 80's.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: hydrox

The technology was good!

Still would !

Quote: hydrox

60 days - and the next Liberty is already getting loaded - and this is only at one shipyard, and there were a dozen and a half shipyards!

The USSR paid for all this with gold and platinum .. hehe And our people were starving, but they gave everything for Victory! So there is no need to expose the Anglo-Saxons as such saviors of Russia from fascism, etc ...
Now they want it again ..? The Zionists in that war (which they unleashed) fabulously enriched!

[lis-ik]

Quote: MIKHAN

Well, now the Russians will take care of the USA!

Vital, it looks like you know more, tell me when we’ll get busy?

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: lis-ik

Quote: MIKHAN

Well, now the Russians will take care of the USA!

Vital, it looks like you know more, tell me when we’ll get busy?

First, the country needs to be cleaned from such .. hehe

And then we’ll think ....

[lis-ik]

Quote: MIKHAN

Quote: lis-ik

Quote: MIKHAN

Well, now the Russians will take care of the USA!

Vital, it looks like you know more, tell me when we’ll get busy?

First, the country needs to be cleaned from such .. hehe

And then we’ll think ....

This is unfortunately not yet possible.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: lis-ik

First, the country needs to be cleaned from such .. hehe

Quote: lis-ik

This is unfortunately not yet possible.

Why is this impossible? Something I do not "catch up"
Here, many local users of the site, believe that throwing Poroshenko - just spit. It would be a desire of the people. And as they themselves have a desire, but to plant it on Chubais's bunk, so - "so far this is not possible." And how to understand this? Aw, where are you, couch rebels?

[omit]

MIKHAN
"First, the country needs to be cleaned from such .. hehe"
"And then we will think ..."

Hehe, I’ll tell you a funny joke. A hare runs through the forest, and towards him a wolf. From whom you run, he asks. And the hare answers: and then everyone who has three eggs is caught and cut off. So you have three, or what? I don’t have two, but at first they cut, and then they count.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: omit

MIKHAN
"First, the country needs to be cleaned from such .. hehe"
"And then we will think ..."

Hehe, I’ll tell you a funny joke. A hare runs through the forest, and towards him a wolf. From whom you run, he asks. And the hare answers: and then everyone who has three eggs is caught and cut off. So you have three, or what? I don’t have two, but at first they cut, and then they count.

A good joke .. heh heh .. As we say, it’s better to overtake than not to finish ..!

[vadim dok]

But didn’t you think that these Liberty had a lot of Soviet sailors, as well as the goods that the USSR needed, including food for the Red Army and the population?

[vadim dok]

But didn’t you think that these Liberty had a lot of Soviet sailors, as well as the goods that the USSR needed, including food for the Red Army and the population?

[vadim dok]

But didn’t you think that these sailors were Soviet sailors, including those sunk, and also that these ships carried VERY necessary goods for the Red Army, including food (necessary) for the army and the population?

[Nychego]

Quote: MIKHAN

.In WWII it was

And how much “Liberty” was lost to the USA during their three-month participation in the Second World War on the theater of the war?
Iksperd, B!

[race]

Quote: MIKHAN

The United States knows how to mass produce (a lot of money))) ... In the Second World War it was like that with Liberty, the Germans drown and drown them .. And they are increasingly being sent to Europe!
Well, now the Russians will take care of the USA!

It would be better to learn from Amers how to build ships.

[igorka357]

Very much your sarcasm in the subject! Maybe we’ll remember about Gren, he has already decided on the parking lot .. for decades for sure! Actually, it’s sad, even the Chinas rivet ships like pies ..

[Evgeniy667b]

Russia would have such a pace, especially the displacement is quite decent. We have only "painful childbirth" How many "Grena" can not torture! Shame on you!

[Chertt]

And it’s worth adding that the price of the first San Antonio-type transport dock in 2006 was was 1.5 yards bucks (without R&D)

[Alex777]

We would have such things 3-4.
By 2030 may do.

[Chertt]

Yes, we need a lot of things. Just not like that (we have a different military doctrine) and not at that price

[igorka357]

And as for the doctrine, you tell our old BDK who drove to Syria ..

[Alex777]

Do you think Mistral was very cheap?

[Storming the Washington]

Kakaha? Merikos same

[Herculesic]

So that he doesn’t disperse with the killer wave in the ocean, that he fly ashore at full speed!

[Eduard petrov]

We have analogues, who knows?

[Thrall]

Quote: Eduard Petrov

We have analogues, who knows?

Belarus has six pieces.

[vorobey]

Quote: Thrall

Quote: Eduard Petrov

We have analogues, who knows?

Belarus has six pieces.

Well, about MAZs in Dakar, I saw and heard .. got involved in the race ... and then what .. also got involved in the race?

[Vadim237]

“Belarus has six pieces.” “And those sacks of potatoes.”

[vorobey]

Quote: Eduard Petrov

We have analogues, who knows?

if it’s a banter, then I can console ... we don’t have such analogues ... we have a different doctrine .. defensive .. we don’t bring the light of democracy to people ..

[Tsoy]

Quote: vorobey

we have no such analogues.

And Gren isn’t the same concept?

[vorobey]

Quote: Choi

Quote: vorobey

we have no such analogues.

And Gren isn’t the same concept?

Well, if the displacement is five times smaller as well as loading you do not mind that same ..

Americans embody the same concept of overseas landing .. namely landing and not seizing a bridgehead on the coast

[donavi49]

Not. Grenn is 5 times smaller. Does not have a dock camera. Plus running - San Antonio is a ship with application anywhere in the world where Trump will show. At least in Somalia, at least in Myanmar, at least in Argentina. Gren is much worse with that.

In general, these are different types of ships
Gren BDK - for the western Landing Ship Tank (LST).
This DKVD is for the Western Landing Platform Dock (LPD)
there is also UDC (like Mistral or Wosp) - along the western Landing Helicopter Dock (LHD). Their difference besides the fact that they are carrying a reinforced battalion with equipment, they also provide fire support / helicopter landing - due to the large air groups in 10 + vehicles and smooth-deck architecture with 4-6-8 platforms, that is, high intensity is provided compared to DKVD / LPD which usually have 1-2 platforms, and even having 6 helicopters, lifting them from 2 platforms will take a lot of time.

[Professor]

Quote: donavi49

Not. Grenn is 5 times smaller. Does not have a dock camera. Plus running - San Antonio is a ship with application anywhere in the world where Trump will show. At least in Somalia, at least in Myanmar, at least in Argentina. Gren is much worse with that.

In general, these are different types of ships
Gren BDK - for the western Landing Ship Tank (LST).
This DKVD is for the Western Landing Platform Dock (LPD)
there is also UDC (like Mistral or Wosp) - along the western Landing Helicopter Dock (LHD). Their difference besides the fact that they are carrying a reinforced battalion with equipment, they also provide fire support / helicopter landing - due to the large air groups in 10 + vehicles and smooth-deck architecture with 4-6-8 platforms, that is, high intensity is provided compared to DKVD / LPD which usually have 1-2 platforms, and even having 6 helicopters, lifting them from 2 platforms will take a lot of time.

San Antonio and Mistral are all the same type of ships.

As it can be seen from the table above, both ships have almost the same main dimensions, speed and cruising range, area of ​​the car deck, similar weapons, both are in service with the 2006 of the year. Type "San Antonio" has a more powerful power plant, more ships of this type were built, has a lower radar visibility, more developed electronics. For the rest of the main indicators, the Mistral has clear advantages: the building cost much less, is serviced by a smaller crew, is able to carry more amphibious assault ships and landing craft, has more seats in the hospital, more seats for helicopters, a larger hangar. It should also be noted significantly better maneuverability "Mistral" due to electric rotary screw drives and bow thrusters.
Wasp is a very different type of ship.

[NEXUS]

Quote: donavi49

No. Gren is 5 times less.

For me, Gren is an anachronism. It is outdated even on the slipways. Perhaps I’m not right, but for me, it’s a suitcase without a handle, and it’s a pity to throw it away and it’s not convenient to carry it. We need new ships, namely new ones both in concept and in armament and in their ability to carry out a wider range of tasks.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: NEXUS

by the ability to perform a wider range of tasks.

Or can you first decide on the "range of tasks"? If for such operations as in Syria, then why such ships as the BDK? There are enough ordinary transporters. If you are thinking about landing in Florida, then - yes, you need ships of the Mistral type. But, I believe that neither you, nor anyone in Russia are building such plans. So why do we need BDK? For that - "Schaub Boules"?

[Evgeniy667b]

To do this, you need to have an industry! And since 2000, how many have been destroyed and plundered. Until this time, it was simply in decline, and from zero robbery began natural. So far, Russia is satisfied with the role of a raw materials appendage, primarily China!

[hydrox]

Quote: Choi

Quote: vorobey

we have no such analogues.

And Gren isn’t the same concept?

Do you want to compare the displacement of these boats (so that you could understand the absurdity of the parameters)?

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: vorobey

if it’s a banter, then I can console ... we have no such analogues.

Of course not, since we don’t have an ocean fleet and there will not be another 15-20 years

Quote: vorobey

. our doctrine is different .. defensive .. we do not bring the light of democracy to people.

It’s time to change the methodology about the doctrine - and as a result, the absence of ships of the ocean zone fit into it

[vorobey]

Quote: Tiksi-3

methodology time to change about the doctrine

ships added?

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: vorobey

ships added?

the absence of ships is not due to "doctrine" , but only because there are no working technologies (for example, associated weapons), only people say nothing about the money and doctrine in the Navy ....

[vorobey]

Quote: Tiksi-3

but only because there are no working technologies (for example, associated weapons), only people say nothing about the money and doctrine in the Navy ....

people who understand the Navy say about related weapons ...

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: vorobey

about related weapons

since there are no air defense systems for ships, there are no torpedoes, just as there is no AWACS aircraft, there is no marine version of the Rab aircraft, there are a lot of things and will not be soon, since everything was imported, and science was reduced to a minimum .... to whom, to embody - not to whom, my country has become a country of sellers and hucksters ....

[Eduard petrov]

Well, there are already lasers!

[voyaka uh]

The laser is installed 3 years ago on another
a similar US Ponce landing ship patrolling in the Persian Gulf.
30 kW laser passed practical tests on it.
A more powerful laser will be installed on Portland - 70 kW.

[NEXUS]

Quote: voyaka uh

A more powerful laser will be installed on Portland - 70 kW.

And how effective is it?

[voyaka uh]

30 kW laser capable of shooting down small drones
and destroy (set fire) speedboats / powerboats.
This has been tested.
A 70 kW laser will be able to deal with missiles on approach
to the ship.

[NEXUS]

Quote: voyaka uh

A 70 kW laser will be able to deal with missiles on approach
to the ship.

The reaction time and the ability to work on maneuvering goals will this allow?

[voyaka uh]

Reaction time is just a fundamental advantage
laser. Once the target is indicated, in 0 seconds the beam is already there. And it starts to burn.
The problem is to catch fire. The thicker the coating, the longer it takes.
When a rocket is approaching, it is no longer up to evasion maneuvers. Late. She has to get in and only this is "concerned" with her GOS.
(The cannons have the opposite problem: as long as you hit, while the shells fly. But then you hit, you hit!)

[NEXUS]

Quote: voyaka uh

Reaction time is just a fundamental advantage

You do not understand me ... I'm talking about the reaction time of detection and target designation systems. Moreover, what happens if the rocket is coated with reflective material?

[voyaka uh]

This is what the situation will be. Maybe they’ll spot a rocket
already tens of kilometers, but planes into the air
did not have time to raise. Found, so what? Unless the ship begins to camouflage - to burn with aluminum foil and make a sharp turn.
And the laser begins to "work" in just 5-7 km.
Now, if a rocket is detected in the last seconds, then the laser has all hope: "burned" the GOS - the missile missed.
Mirror type coatings do not work - different beam lengths. If in front of the laser to put
the mirror in it will be a hole.

[NEXUS]

Quote: voyaka uh

Now, if a rocket is detected in the last seconds, then the laser has all hope: "burned" the GOS - the missile missed.

This is if the rocket flies without maneuvering, knocking down the laser sight, that is, the laser can burn through if the piercing point is fixed. I'm talking about tight fusible materials. When maneuvering, the pierce point will change and the laser will have to start all over again. I’m not talking about many factors of laser efficiency, from vapors to bad weather.

[igorka357]

I’ll repeat it again .. with such answers to the crews of the BDK! Therefore, bulk carriers drove to Cuba .. and air defense officers and other specialists in submarines .. so there is no need for a doctrine! We are not going to capture it, but to help?

[rotmistr60]

With their military budget, it’s a shame not to receive new ships. But for some reason, not everyone is able to walk on the oceans after launching.

[hydrox]

Quote: rotmistr60

But for some reason, not everyone is able to walk on the oceans after launching.

If you look more broadly, then their "air ships" are also somehow shitty ...
One would like to call such products victims of abortion ...

[voyaka uh]

Well, when compared with other major military
fleets of the world (including Russian), then
it turns out that the percentage of Americans who are repairing or servicing piers is one of the lowest.

[vorobey]

Quote: voyaka uh

it turns out that the percentage of Americans who are repairing or servicing piers is one of the lowest.

what data did you start from?

[Kleber]

I read in AIF ... not otherwise .....

[voyaka uh]

There was once a discussion on this topic.
How many average warships (1st class) and underwater and surface ships at sea on average per year, and how many at the pier (for various reasons: repairs, replacement of crews, lack of budget for trips). USA, England, France, Australia, Russia. It turned out that
Americans are the most "running", despite the huge number of ships.

[vorobey]

Quote: voyaka uh

There was once a discussion on this topic.

when ... and what data was operated on .. where ..

[Kleber]

Quote: voyaka uh

There was once a discussion on this topic.
How many average warships (1st class) and underwater and surface ships at sea on average per year, and how many at the pier (for various reasons: repairs, replacement of crews, lack of budget for trips). USA, England, France, Australia, Russia. It turned out that
Americans are the most "running", despite the huge number of ships.

Live not in the past, but in the present ...

[igorka357]

So therefore, the most popular ones, that a huge number of ships, by the way by accident, they are also ahead of the rest .. since a huge number of flights and aircraft .. it’s ridiculous, is it .. ?

[Kleber]

Quote: voyaka uh

Well, when compared with other major military
fleets of the world (including Russian), then
it turns out that the percentage of Americans who are repairing or servicing piers is one of the lowest.

Is the Israeli fleet large or small? Compared to the Ukrainian Navy ......

[voyaka uh]

The Israeli fleet is small. There are no ships of the 1st class.
Fleet base: 4 corvettes and 4 diesel submarines.

[Kleber]

So, compared with Ukraine, the fleet is huge .... maybe on his needles?

[Oleg7700]

Five submarines. Three types of Dolphin-1, two Dolphin-2AIP (the sixth, Dakar, will probably be pulled out of the dock in German Kiel and launched soon) Four new Saar-6 corvettes are being built there. https://www.yediot.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-523307
7,00.html A large program article states that new Saar-7 mini-corvettes will be built in Israel, and the three additional submarines already ordered will differ dramatically even from Dakar. And one more thing: -the Navy command comes up with a proposal to the General Staff on a sharp increase in armaments (long-range missiles, lasers) and the number of fleets by 2030 in connection with the situation.

[APASUS]

Quote: voyaka uh

Well, when compared with other major military
fleets of the world (including Russian), then
it turns out that the percentage of Americans who are repairing or servicing piers is one of the lowest.

If you invest $ 30 trillion in Israel, then Arab sheikhs would wash your dishes.
The comparison is not entirely accurate, does not reflect the ratio of invested money to the hour of the trip.

[voyaka uh]

"If you invest $ 30 trillion in Israel" ///

Investments in Fig. industry and R&D of foreign
investors are big. Since R&D is fast and return is high.
So far, about 5 billion a year. Up to trillions
(as commodity circulation between the USA and China) have not grown.

[vorobey]

Quote: voyaka uh

"If you invest $ 30 trillion in Israel" ///

if grandmother grows R&D she will be a grandfather ...

invest this money in Russia ..

[voyaka uh]

It was not my idea, but Mr. APASUS.
To him and ask for trillions of dollars.

[APASUS]

Quote: voyaka uh

Investments in Fig. industry and R&D of foreign
investors are big. Since R&D is fast and return is high.
So far, about 5 billion a year. Up to trillions
(as commodity circulation between the USA and China) have not grown.

It’s just that the USA receives investment profit right now, and the total amount of debt allows you to invest unlimited funds in development

[Masya masya]

he will be equipped with laser weapons Laser Weapon System

wow, oh you're all of us astronauts ...

[Herculesic]

Marina into space on such a fly is unsafe what if our space-based nuclear submarines are already there? ??

[Storming the Washington]

our doctrine is to be poor but honest and kind but we will have a football championship and merikos fi

[Prisoner]

"Equipped with laser weapons," and the team will be given lightsabers.

[fa2998]

Quote: vorobey

Quote: Eduard Petrov

We have analogues, who knows?

if it’s a banter, then I can console ... we don’t have such analogues ... we have a different doctrine .. defensive .. we don’t bring the light of democracy to people ..

Well, of course, the doctrine is different. But the USSR was for peace in the world - and the oceans paved the peace cruisers and destroyers. For peace of mind, the flag was shown.
A modern mercenary, after the number of ships entered service, please make a small remark, name the total displacement of the ships!
I think the total displacement of the adopted 50 vessels is equal to one Portland. Otherwise, people are misled.

[vorobey]

Quote: fa2998

But the USSR was for world peace

after the USSR, how many shipyards do we have left? how many of these shipyards lay in ruins and sawed equipment for metal .. of course I want everything at once .. but it doesn’t happen like that ..

you are right .. few ships .. necessary and necessary more ..

[Landscaping]

Well, what is it equipped with systems? It’s not yet forbidden to drown the threshing floor.

[vadim dok]

Envy rushing through you through all the holes!

[voyaka uh]

NEXUS,
"if the rocket flies without maneuvering" ///

When the rocket maneuvers, the laser still doesn’t reach it.
He is a short-range missile defense. And when it starts to burn, the rocket
no longer maneuvering. Otherwise, she will miss without any laser.
But here is a rotation, a thicker coating can be invented.
This will reduce its range (increasing weight), but protection
from the laser will improve.