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US Navy received another landing ship

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In Portland (Oregon), the ceremony of entering into the US Navy the next amphibious assault ship USS Portland (LPD-27), transmits RIA News.




According to the US Naval Institute, the ship belongs to the class of airborne transport docks of the type "San Antonio". The ship will play "the role of the flagship vessel at the international naval exercises RIMPAC 2018, which will take place in the summer in Hawaii," then it will be equipped with "laser weapons Laser Weapon System, developed by request of the US Navy. "

US Navy received another landing ship


I am confident that USS Portland will proudly present both the United States and the people of Portland in naval operations around the world for decades to come,
declared at the ceremony, Minister of the Navy Richard Spencer.

Portland was the eleventh landing ship class San Antonio. It is “designed to transport and support more than 800 Marines”, can carry amphibious vehicles aboard boats, as well as MV-22 Osprey helicopters and converters.
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https://twitter.com/USNavy, https://ru.wikipedia.org
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  1. san4es
    san4es April 22 2018 09: 53
    +12
    hi USS Portland (LPD-27) Home Port of San Diego, California. Key Features: Full displacement of 25000 tons. Length 208,4 meters, width 31,9 meters, draft 7 meters. Speed ​​22 knots. Crew: 28 officers, 333 sailors.
    Power plant: four Colt-Pielstick diesel engines, two shafts. 40000 hp (30 MW).
    Onboard there are two LCAC type air cushion landing boats. It can take on board 699 Marines, including 66 officers. If necessary, up to 800 people.
    Armament: 2 × RIM-116 RAM air defense launchers; 2 x 30 mm artillery mount Mark 44 (Bushmaster II).
    Air wing: four CH-46 Sea Knight helicopters or two MV-22 Osprey helicopters (a tiltrotor combining the individual capabilities of an airplane and a helicopter).

    29 Aug 2017
    1. vorobey
      vorobey April 22 2018 10: 01
      +5
      Quote: san4es
      Aug 2017 year


      have you already decided on the place of eternal parking? repeat repeat
      1. Kleber
        Kleber April 22 2018 10: 09
        +1
        Mariinsky Depression ....
        1. Hole puncher
          Hole puncher April 22 2018 10: 56
          0
          Quote: Kleber
          Mariinsky Depression ....

          In the Kemerovo region?
          1. Kleber
            Kleber April 22 2018 11: 04
            0
            Her, off the coast of the Belarusian Sea))))))
      2. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov April 22 2018 10: 11
        +2
        The United States knows how to mass produce (a lot of money))) ... In the Second World War it was like that with Liberty, the Germans drown and drown them .. And they are increasingly being sent to Europe!
        Well, now the Russians will take care of the USA! soldier
        1. hydrox
          hydrox April 22 2018 10: 21
          +4
          Quote: MIKHAN
          This was the case with Liberty in the Second World War, the Germans drown and drown them .. And they are increasingly being sent to Europe!

          The technology was good!
          60 days - and the next Liberty is already getting loaded - and this is only at one shipyard, and there were a dozen and a half shipyards!
          1. vadim dok
            vadim dok April 22 2018 14: 04
            +3
            In the USSR, these Liberty
            walked until the end of the 60 years of the 20 century!
            1. Normal ok
              Normal ok April 22 2018 18: 05
              +3
              Quote: vadim dok
              In the USSR, these Liberty
              walked until the end of the 60 years of the 20 century!

              Moreover, we also built our own on this type. And they walked up to 80's.
          2. Vitaly Anisimov
            Vitaly Anisimov April 22 2018 14: 15
            0
            Quote: hydrox
            The technology was good!

            Still would ! laughing
            Quote: hydrox
            60 days - and the next Liberty is already getting loaded - and this is only at one shipyard, and there were a dozen and a half shipyards!

            The USSR paid for all this with gold and platinum .. hehe And our people were starving, but they gave everything for Victory! So there is no need to expose the Anglo-Saxons as such saviors of Russia from fascism, etc ...
            Now they want it again ..? The Zionists in that war (which they unleashed) fabulously enriched!
        2. lis-ik
          lis-ik April 22 2018 12: 28
          +3
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Well, now the Russians will take care of the USA!

          Vital, it looks like you know more, tell me when we’ll get busy?
          1. Vitaly Anisimov
            Vitaly Anisimov April 22 2018 14: 05
            +2
            Quote: lis-ik
            Quote: MIKHAN
            Well, now the Russians will take care of the USA!

            Vital, it looks like you know more, tell me when we’ll get busy?

            First, the country needs to be cleaned from such .. hehe

            And then we’ll think .... soldier
            1. lis-ik
              lis-ik April 22 2018 14: 25
              +1
              Quote: MIKHAN
              Quote: lis-ik
              Quote: MIKHAN
              Well, now the Russians will take care of the USA!

              Vital, it looks like you know more, tell me when we’ll get busy?

              First, the country needs to be cleaned from such .. hehe

              And then we’ll think .... soldier

              This is unfortunately not yet possible.
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk April 23 2018 14: 10
                0
                Quote: lis-ik
                First, the country needs to be cleaned from such .. hehe

                Quote: lis-ik
                This is unfortunately not yet possible.

                Why is this impossible? Something I do not "catch up"
                Here, many local users of the site, believe that throwing Poroshenko - just spit. It would be a desire of the people. And as they themselves have a desire, but to plant it on Chubais's bunk, so - "so far this is not possible." And how to understand this? Aw, where are you, couch rebels?
            2. omit
              omit April 23 2018 08: 04
              +2
              MIKHAN
              "First, the country needs to be cleaned from such .. hehe"
              "And then we will think ..."

              Hehe, I’ll tell you a funny joke. A hare runs through the forest, and towards him a wolf. From whom you run, he asks. And the hare answers: and then everyone who has three eggs is caught and cut off. So you have three, or what? I don’t have two, but at first they cut, and then they count.
              1. Vitaly Anisimov
                Vitaly Anisimov April 23 2018 09: 09
                0
                Quote: omit
                MIKHAN
                "First, the country needs to be cleaned from such .. hehe"
                "And then we will think ..."

                Hehe, I’ll tell you a funny joke. A hare runs through the forest, and towards him a wolf. From whom you run, he asks. And the hare answers: and then everyone who has three eggs is caught and cut off. So you have three, or what? I don’t have two, but at first they cut, and then they count.

                A good joke .. heh heh .. As we say, it’s better to overtake than not to finish ..!
        3. vadim dok
          vadim dok April 22 2018 14: 09
          +2
          But didn’t you think that these Liberty had a lot of Soviet sailors, as well as the goods that the USSR needed, including food for the Red Army and the population?
        4. vadim dok
          vadim dok April 22 2018 14: 10
          +1
          But didn’t you think that these Liberty had a lot of Soviet sailors, as well as the goods that the USSR needed, including food for the Red Army and the population?
        5. vadim dok
          vadim dok April 22 2018 14: 15
          +1
          But didn’t you think that these sailors were Soviet sailors, including those sunk, and also that these ships carried VERY necessary goods for the Red Army, including food (necessary) for the army and the population?
        6. Nychego
          Nychego April 22 2018 16: 57
          0
          Quote: MIKHAN
          .In WWII it was

          And how much “Liberty” was lost to the USA during their three-month participation in the Second World War on the theater of the war?
          Iksperd, B!
        7. race
          race April 22 2018 21: 37
          0
          Quote: MIKHAN
          The United States knows how to mass produce (a lot of money))) ... In the Second World War it was like that with Liberty, the Germans drown and drown them .. And they are increasingly being sent to Europe!
          Well, now the Russians will take care of the USA! soldier

          It would be better to learn from Amers how to build ships.
      3. igorka357
        igorka357 April 23 2018 10: 04
        0
        Very much your sarcasm in the subject! Maybe we’ll remember about Gren, he has already decided on the parking lot .. for decades for sure! Actually, it’s sad, even the Chinas rivet ships like pies .. sad
      4. Evgeniy667b
        Evgeniy667b April 23 2018 16: 53
        0
        Russia would have such a pace, especially the displacement is quite decent. We have only "painful childbirth" How many "Grena" can not torture! Shame on you!
    2. Chertt
      Chertt April 22 2018 10: 16
      0
      And it’s worth adding that the price of the first San Antonio-type transport dock in 2006 was was 1.5 yards bucks (without R&D)
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 April 22 2018 12: 42
        +1
        We would have such things 3-4. hi
        By 2030 may do.
        1. Chertt
          Chertt April 22 2018 12: 48
          0
          hi Yes, we need a lot of things. Just not like that (we have a different military doctrine) and not at that price
          1. igorka357
            igorka357 April 23 2018 10: 05
            +2
            And as for the doctrine, you tell our old BDK who drove to Syria ..
          2. Alex777
            Alex777 April 23 2018 10: 08
            0
            Do you think Mistral was very cheap?
  2. Storming the Washington
    Storming the Washington April 22 2018 09: 56
    +4
    Kakaha? Merikos same wassat
  3. Herculesic
    Herculesic April 22 2018 09: 57
    +2
    So that he doesn’t disperse with the killer wave in the ocean, that he fly ashore at full speed! am
  4. Eduard petrov
    Eduard petrov April 22 2018 09: 57
    +1
    We have analogues, who knows?
    1. Thrall
      Thrall April 22 2018 10: 02
      +8
      Quote: Eduard Petrov
      We have analogues, who knows?

      Belarus has six pieces.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey April 22 2018 10: 11
        +2
        Quote: Thrall
        Quote: Eduard Petrov
        We have analogues, who knows?

        Belarus has six pieces.


        Well, about MAZs in Dakar, I saw and heard .. got involved in the race ... and then what .. also got involved in the race? laughing laughing
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 22 2018 11: 57
        +1
        “Belarus has six pieces.” “And those sacks of potatoes.”
    2. vorobey
      vorobey April 22 2018 10: 03
      +6
      Quote: Eduard Petrov
      We have analogues, who knows?


      if it’s a banter, then I can console ... we don’t have such analogues ... we have a different doctrine .. defensive .. we don’t bring the light of democracy to people .. hi
      1. Tsoy
        Tsoy April 22 2018 10: 10
        +1
        Quote: vorobey
        we have no such analogues.


        And Gren isn’t the same concept?
        1. vorobey
          vorobey April 22 2018 10: 23
          +5
          Quote: Choi
          Quote: vorobey
          we have no such analogues.


          And Gren isn’t the same concept?


          Well, if the displacement is five times smaller as well as loading you do not mind that same ..

          Americans embody the same concept of overseas landing .. laughing laughing namely landing and not seizing a bridgehead on the coast
        2. donavi49
          donavi49 April 22 2018 10: 24
          +11
          Not. Grenn is 5 times smaller. Does not have a dock camera. Plus running - San Antonio is a ship with application anywhere in the world where Trump will show. At least in Somalia, at least in Myanmar, at least in Argentina. Gren is much worse with that.

          In general, these are different types of ships
          Gren BDK - for the western Landing Ship Tank (LST).
          This DKVD is for the Western Landing Platform Dock (LPD)
          there is also UDC (like Mistral or Wosp) - along the western Landing Helicopter Dock (LHD). Their difference besides the fact that they are carrying a reinforced battalion with equipment, they also provide fire support / helicopter landing - due to the large air groups in 10 + vehicles and smooth-deck architecture with 4-6-8 platforms, that is, high intensity is provided compared to DKVD / LPD which usually have 1-2 platforms, and even having 6 helicopters, lifting them from 2 platforms will take a lot of time.
          1. Professor
            Professor April 22 2018 11: 42
            +4
            Quote: donavi49
            Not. Grenn is 5 times smaller. Does not have a dock camera. Plus running - San Antonio is a ship with application anywhere in the world where Trump will show. At least in Somalia, at least in Myanmar, at least in Argentina. Gren is much worse with that.

            In general, these are different types of ships
            Gren BDK - for the western Landing Ship Tank (LST).
            This DKVD is for the Western Landing Platform Dock (LPD)
            there is also UDC (like Mistral or Wosp) - along the western Landing Helicopter Dock (LHD). Their difference besides the fact that they are carrying a reinforced battalion with equipment, they also provide fire support / helicopter landing - due to the large air groups in 10 + vehicles and smooth-deck architecture with 4-6-8 platforms, that is, high intensity is provided compared to DKVD / LPD which usually have 1-2 platforms, and even having 6 helicopters, lifting them from 2 platforms will take a lot of time.

            San Antonio and Mistral are all the same type of ships.

            As it can be seen from the table above, both ships have almost the same main dimensions, speed and cruising range, area of ​​the car deck, similar weapons, both are in service with the 2006 of the year. Type "San Antonio" has a more powerful power plant, more ships of this type were built, has a lower radar visibility, more developed electronics. For the rest of the main indicators, the Mistral has clear advantages: the building cost much less, is serviced by a smaller crew, is able to carry more amphibious assault ships and landing craft, has more seats in the hospital, more seats for helicopters, a larger hangar. It should also be noted significantly better maneuverability "Mistral" due to electric rotary screw drives and bow thrusters.
            Wasp is a very different type of ship.
          2. NEXUS
            NEXUS April 22 2018 12: 37
            +5
            Quote: donavi49
            No. Gren is 5 times less.

            For me, Gren is an anachronism. It is outdated even on the slipways. Perhaps I’m not right, but for me, it’s a suitcase without a handle, and it’s a pity to throw it away and it’s not convenient to carry it. We need new ships, namely new ones both in concept and in armament and in their ability to carry out a wider range of tasks.
            1. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk April 23 2018 14: 26
              0
              Quote: NEXUS
              by the ability to perform a wider range of tasks.

              Or can you first decide on the "range of tasks"? If for such operations as in Syria, then why such ships as the BDK? There are enough ordinary transporters. If you are thinking about landing in Florida, then - yes, you need ships of the Mistral type. But, I believe that neither you, nor anyone in Russia are building such plans. So why do we need BDK? For that - "Schaub Boules"?
            2. Evgeniy667b
              Evgeniy667b April 23 2018 17: 04
              0
              To do this, you need to have an industry! And since 2000, how many have been destroyed and plundered. Until this time, it was simply in decline, and from zero robbery began natural. So far, Russia is satisfied with the role of a raw materials appendage, primarily China!
        3. hydrox
          hydrox April 22 2018 10: 25
          +2
          Quote: Choi
          Quote: vorobey
          we have no such analogues.


          And Gren isn’t the same concept?

          Do you want to compare the displacement of these boats (so that you could understand the absurdity of the parameters)?
        4. Tiksi-3
          Tiksi-3 April 22 2018 11: 04
          +5
          Quote: vorobey
          if it’s a banter, then I can console ... we have no such analogues.

          Of course not, since we don’t have an ocean fleet and there will not be another 15-20 years
          Quote: vorobey
          . our doctrine is different .. defensive .. we do not bring the light of democracy to people.

          wassat It’s time to change the methodology about the doctrine - and as a result, the absence of ships of the ocean zone fit into it tongue
          1. vorobey
            vorobey April 22 2018 11: 17
            +3
            Quote: Tiksi-3
            methodology time to change about the doctrine


            ships added?
            1. Tiksi-3
              Tiksi-3 April 22 2018 11: 29
              +1
              Quote: vorobey
              ships added?

              the absence of ships is not due to "doctrine" wassat , but only because there are no working technologies (for example, associated weapons), only people say nothing about the money and doctrine in the Navy ....
              1. vorobey
                vorobey April 22 2018 15: 59
                +1
                Quote: Tiksi-3
                but only because there are no working technologies (for example, associated weapons), only people say nothing about the money and doctrine in the Navy ....


                people who understand the Navy say about related weapons ...
                1. Tiksi-3
                  Tiksi-3 April 22 2018 19: 33
                  +2
                  Quote: vorobey
                  about related weapons

                  since there are no air defense systems for ships, there are no torpedoes, just as there is no AWACS aircraft, there is no marine version of the Rab aircraft, there are a lot of things and will not be soon, since everything was imported, and science was reduced to a minimum .... to whom, to embody - not to whom, my country has become a country of sellers and hucksters ....
      2. Eduard petrov
        Eduard petrov April 22 2018 10: 12
        +2
        Well, there are already lasers!
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh April 22 2018 10: 21
          +5
          The laser is installed 3 years ago on another
          a similar US Ponce landing ship patrolling in the Persian Gulf.
          30 kW laser passed practical tests on it.
          A more powerful laser will be installed on Portland - 70 kW.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS April 22 2018 12: 06
            +1
            Quote: voyaka uh
            A more powerful laser will be installed on Portland - 70 kW.

            And how effective is it?
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh April 22 2018 12: 26
              +1
              30 kW laser capable of shooting down small drones
              and destroy (set fire) speedboats / powerboats.
              This has been tested.
              A 70 kW laser will be able to deal with missiles on approach
              to the ship.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS April 22 2018 12: 32
                +1
                Quote: voyaka uh
                A 70 kW laser will be able to deal with missiles on approach
                to the ship.

                The reaction time and the ability to work on maneuvering goals will this allow?
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh April 22 2018 14: 05
                  +3
                  Reaction time is just a fundamental advantage
                  laser. Once the target is indicated, in 0 seconds the beam is already there. And it starts to burn.
                  The problem is to catch fire. The thicker the coating, the longer it takes.
                  When a rocket is approaching, it is no longer up to evasion maneuvers. Late. She has to get in and only this is "concerned" with her GOS.
                  (The cannons have the opposite problem: as long as you hit, while the shells fly. But then you hit, you hit!)
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS April 22 2018 14: 18
                    +1
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    Reaction time is just a fundamental advantage

                    You do not understand me ... I'm talking about the reaction time of detection and target designation systems. Moreover, what happens if the rocket is coated with reflective material?
                    1. voyaka uh
                      voyaka uh April 22 2018 14: 29
                      +1
                      This is what the situation will be. Maybe they’ll spot a rocket
                      already tens of kilometers, but planes into the air
                      did not have time to raise. Found, so what? Unless the ship begins to camouflage - to burn with aluminum foil and make a sharp turn.
                      And the laser begins to "work" in just 5-7 km.
                      Now, if a rocket is detected in the last seconds, then the laser has all hope: "burned" the GOS - the missile missed.
                      Mirror type coatings do not work - different beam lengths. If in front of the laser to put
                      the mirror in it will be a hole.
                      1. NEXUS
                        NEXUS April 22 2018 14: 40
                        +2
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        Now, if a rocket is detected in the last seconds, then the laser has all hope: "burned" the GOS - the missile missed.

                        This is if the rocket flies without maneuvering, knocking down the laser sight, that is, the laser can burn through if the piercing point is fixed. I'm talking about tight fusible materials. When maneuvering, the pierce point will change and the laser will have to start all over again. I’m not talking about many factors of laser efficiency, from vapors to bad weather.
      3. igorka357
        igorka357 April 23 2018 10: 10
        0
        I’ll repeat it again .. with such answers to the crews of the BDK! Therefore, bulk carriers drove to Cuba .. and air defense officers and other specialists in submarines .. so there is no need for a doctrine! We are not going to capture it, but to help?
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  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 22 2018 10: 04
    +5
    With their military budget, it’s a shame not to receive new ships. But for some reason, not everyone is able to walk on the oceans after launching.
    1. hydrox
      hydrox April 22 2018 10: 34
      0
      Quote: rotmistr60
      But for some reason, not everyone is able to walk on the oceans after launching.

      If you look more broadly, then their "air ships" are also somehow shitty ...
      One would like to call such products victims of abortion ... laughing
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh April 22 2018 10: 42
      +6
      Well, when compared with other major military
      fleets of the world (including Russian), then
      it turns out that the percentage of Americans who are repairing or servicing piers is one of the lowest.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey April 22 2018 11: 00
        +3
        Quote: voyaka uh
        it turns out that the percentage of Americans who are repairing or servicing piers is one of the lowest.


        what data did you start from?
        1. Kleber
          Kleber April 22 2018 11: 06
          0
          I read in AIF ... not otherwise .....
        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh April 22 2018 11: 07
          +3
          There was once a discussion on this topic.
          How many average warships (1st class) and underwater and surface ships at sea on average per year, and how many at the pier (for various reasons: repairs, replacement of crews, lack of budget for trips). USA, England, France, Australia, Russia. It turned out that
          Americans are the most "running", despite the huge number of ships.
          1. vorobey
            vorobey April 22 2018 11: 12
            +2
            Quote: voyaka uh
            There was once a discussion on this topic.


            when ... and what data was operated on .. where ..
          2. Kleber
            Kleber April 22 2018 11: 16
            0
            Quote: voyaka uh
            There was once a discussion on this topic.
            How many average warships (1st class) and underwater and surface ships at sea on average per year, and how many at the pier (for various reasons: repairs, replacement of crews, lack of budget for trips). USA, England, France, Australia, Russia. It turned out that
            Americans are the most "running", despite the huge number of ships.


            Live not in the past, but in the present ...
          3. igorka357
            igorka357 April 23 2018 10: 13
            0
            So therefore, the most popular ones, that a huge number of ships, by the way by accident, they are also ahead of the rest .. since a huge number of flights and aircraft .. it’s ridiculous, is it .. laughing ?
      2. Kleber
        Kleber April 22 2018 11: 10
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Well, when compared with other major military
        fleets of the world (including Russian), then
        it turns out that the percentage of Americans who are repairing or servicing piers is one of the lowest.


        Is the Israeli fleet large or small? Compared to the Ukrainian Navy ......
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh April 22 2018 11: 16
          +5
          The Israeli fleet is small. There are no ships of the 1st class.
          Fleet base: 4 corvettes and 4 diesel submarines.
          1. Kleber
            Kleber April 22 2018 11: 21
            0
            So, compared with Ukraine, the fleet is huge .... maybe on his needles?
          2. Oleg7700
            Oleg7700 April 22 2018 14: 11
            +2
            Five submarines. Three types of Dolphin-1, two Dolphin-2AIP (the sixth, Dakar, will probably be pulled out of the dock in German Kiel and launched soon) Four new Saar-6 corvettes are being built there. https://www.yediot.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-523307
            7,00.html A large program article states that new Saar-7 mini-corvettes will be built in Israel, and the three additional submarines already ordered will differ dramatically even from Dakar. And one more thing: -the Navy command comes up with a proposal to the General Staff on a sharp increase in armaments (long-range missiles, lasers) and the number of fleets by 2030 in connection with the situation.
      3. APASUS
        APASUS April 22 2018 11: 25
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Well, when compared with other major military
        fleets of the world (including Russian), then
        it turns out that the percentage of Americans who are repairing or servicing piers is one of the lowest.

        If you invest $ 30 trillion in Israel, then Arab sheikhs would wash your dishes.
        The comparison is not entirely accurate, does not reflect the ratio of invested money to the hour of the trip.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh April 22 2018 14: 15
          +1
          "If you invest $ 30 trillion in Israel" ///

          Investments in Fig. industry and R&D of foreign
          investors are big. Since R&D is fast and return is high.
          So far, about 5 billion a year. Up to trillions
          (as commodity circulation between the USA and China) have not grown.
          1. vorobey
            vorobey April 22 2018 15: 57
            +1
            Quote: voyaka uh
            "If you invest $ 30 trillion in Israel" ///


            if grandmother grows R&D she will be a grandfather ...

            invest this money in Russia ..
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh April 22 2018 17: 15
              +1
              It was not my idea, but Mr. APASUS. laughing
              To him and ask for trillions of dollars. fellow
          2. APASUS
            APASUS April 22 2018 17: 17
            0
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Investments in Fig. industry and R&D of foreign
            investors are big. Since R&D is fast and return is high.
            So far, about 5 billion a year. Up to trillions
            (as commodity circulation between the USA and China) have not grown.

            It’s just that the USA receives investment profit right now, and the total amount of debt allows you to invest unlimited funds in development
  6. Masya masya
    Masya masya April 22 2018 10: 05
    +3
    he will be equipped with laser weapons Laser Weapon System

    wow, oh you're all of us astronauts ...
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic April 22 2018 10: 19
      +1
      Marina love into space on such a fly is unsafe lol what if our space-based nuclear submarines are already there? ?? belay laughing
  7. Storming the Washington
    Storming the Washington April 22 2018 10: 07
    +6
    our doctrine is to be poor but honest and kind repeat but we will have a football championship and merikos fi
  8. Prisoner
    Prisoner April 22 2018 10: 37
    0
    "Equipped with laser weapons," and the team will be given lightsabers. winked
  9. fa2998
    fa2998 April 22 2018 10: 45
    +5
    Quote: vorobey
    Quote: Eduard Petrov
    We have analogues, who knows?


    if it’s a banter, then I can console ... we don’t have such analogues ... we have a different doctrine .. defensive .. we don’t bring the light of democracy to people .. hi

    Well, of course, the doctrine is different. But the USSR was for peace in the world - and the oceans paved the peace cruisers and destroyers. For peace of mind, the flag was shown.
    A modern mercenary, after the number of ships entered service, please make a small remark, name the total displacement of the ships!
    I think the total displacement of the adopted 50 vessels is equal to one Portland. Otherwise, people are misled. hi
    1. vorobey
      vorobey April 22 2018 11: 15
      +2
      Quote: fa2998
      But the USSR was for world peace


      after the USSR, how many shipyards do we have left? how many of these shipyards lay in ruins and sawed equipment for metal .. of course I want everything at once .. but it doesn’t happen like that ..

      you are right .. few ships .. necessary and necessary more ..
  10. Landscaping
    Landscaping April 22 2018 10: 59
    0
    Well, what is it equipped with systems? It’s not yet forbidden to drown the threshing floor.
    1. vadim dok
      vadim dok April 22 2018 14: 25
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      Envy rushing through you through all the holes!
  11. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh April 22 2018 14: 59
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    NEXUS,
    "if the rocket flies without maneuvering" ///

    When the rocket maneuvers, the laser still doesn’t reach it.
    He is a short-range missile defense. And when it starts to burn, the rocket
    no longer maneuvering. Otherwise, she will miss without any laser.
    But here is a rotation, a thicker coating can be invented.
    This will reduce its range (increasing weight), but protection
    from the laser will improve.