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Rehabilitated posthumously. Part of 1. “You are forcing us to fly on coffins!”

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Pavel Rychagov, an ordinary country boy, managed to reach the beyond. This also applies to his professional skills and career. Pavel Vasilyevich devoted his life to airplanes, took part in air battles in the Spanish sky, took the post of head of the Red Army Air Force Main Directorate, was awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union. But he was not destined to become one of the heroes of the Great Patriotic War. By order of Beria Pavel Vasilyevich and his wife shot 28 October 1941 of the year.


From kite to airplane

Pavel Vasilyevich was born in early November 1911 of the year in the small village of Nizhnye Likhobory not far from Moscow (now, by the way, this is already the territory of the capital). His parents are ordinary peasants, so there was nothing outstanding in childhood Rychagov. He was like all the village boys - he helped his parents, and spent his free time with friends. But already then Pavel Vasilyevich had a serious passion - kites. Launching "gizmo" in the sky, he imagined that this was a plane, and he was a pilot. Friends laughed at him, because no one then could not imagine that Paul had a bright future, connected with the sky.

After graduating from junior high school, Rychagov got a job as a packer at a local factory. But he did not work long and in 1928 went to serve in the army. First, he graduated from the Leningrad Military Theoretical School of the Air Force, and then - Borisoglebsk Military School of Pilots. Moreover, Pavel Vasilyevich became her best graduate. And thanks to this, he was sent to the 109th fighter aviation Squadron of the 5th Zhytomyr Fighter Aviation Brigade of the Kiev Military District. Initially, Rychagov was considered only the youngest pilot, but promotion through the career ladder did not take long. Soon he became a commanding officer, and then began to command a detachment.

With his courage bordering on madness, Rychagov surprised and admired his colleagues. Here is what Dmitry Panov wrote about him in the book “Russians in the Snow”: “Pashka Levers was flying great: bold, calculating and at the same time relaxed. He was one of the first to master the I-15 fighter with the M-25 engine and soon promised to show us what he can do. We podnachal him in response, claiming that on our "coffins" you will not show much. But the next day, during the flights, I immediately recognized the flying handwriting of Rychagov on takeoff. It was this dense burly always always so sharply and confidently raised the car up. The start of the airfield was divided in the direction of Post - Volynsky, to the west. Levers flew to Post - Volynsky, made a box around Zhulyan and, coming from the side of the bomb storage, put the plane on its side, with a roll in 90 degrees, the motor slightly up with a little tail lowered. It was in this position that Pashka raced off at an altitude of 20 meters above the parking of our planes at the aerodrome, raising an oblong cloud of dust - it was July of 1936. Then, rising to 50 meters, Pasha made 2 barrels. ”

Rychagov had to repair his plane right in flight. Once, together with his partner, he flew to Y-2. After completing the assignment, they were going to land, but suddenly it turned out that one ski was not in a horizontal, but in an upright position. This is not to touchdown. The co-pilot took the wheel in his hands, and Levers went to fix the problem. He climbed out of the cabin, grabbed the rack and kicked in a limping ski. And then he returned to the place.

There were legends among pilots about the pirouettes and frills of Pavel Vasilyevich. This is what his colleague Ivan Rakhillo recalled: “Not a single pilot is able to withstand such a crazy load that Levers sustained. For one flight without landing, he performed in the air to 250 aerobatics. 40 figures at a height of 5000 meters. Then he climbed on 6000 - and here again 40, 7000 - another 40. Flying - without an oxygen mask, the other would have lost consciousness at this altitude even without figures. Having completed the 40 figures, Levers rested a bit and carried out more 40 loops, coups, turns and combat turns: from the ground through binoculars it was obvious that his tiny plane was raging in a transparent, inaccessible height. Then he went down on 6000 meters and here again twisted 40 figures. One floor below is 40! On the ground, in order of rest and easy entertainment, he easily performed 20 - 25 figures and, finally, sat down. What kind of mighty health one must have to endure such a flight! ”
Rehabilitated posthumously. Part of 1. “You are forcing us to fly on coffins!”

There are a lot of episodes that demonstrate his overwhelming professionalism. Here is another example. One winter, one of Rychagov’s colleagues made an unsuccessful landing. But he didn’t want to admit his mistake, instead blamed skiing for embarrassment. Like, because of them, an exact fit is impossible. The levers merely grinned, and then, throwing his glove onto the strip, jumped into the cockpit. Describing the circle, Pavel Vasilyevich planted the car. And he did it so skillfully that he pressed his very glove into the snow with a ski. The pilot had to apologize to all his colleagues for the miscalculation ...

Career, personal life and the war in Spain

At the end of May 1936, Senior Lieutenant Pavel Vasilyevich was awarded the Order of Lenin. Leverage celebrated the award in an original way. He flew upside down only 5 meters above ground! After the show, fellow servicemen asked him: “Isn't it scary?”. And proud Rychagov replied: "It is terrible for someone who is not confident in his car and in himself."

Successes were waiting for him not only in a professional field, but also personally. Here is an excerpt from the book “Russians in the Snow”: “Soon in the life of Pashka, 2 had serious events. First, he married Maria Nesterenko’s pilotess, a puny, dark-skinned and dark-skinned, not so hot beautiful woman sent to their squad, during a noisy campaign that began when women took possession of tractors and airplanes. According to the ideological idea, these unnatural and dangerous to the health of women occupation, but very useful in case of war, should have meant a complete triumph of women's equality in the world's first country of victorious socialism, which recently adopted such a glorious Constitution, which, however, few people read and converted attention to it. Secondly, Pashka was sent to Spain, where he stayed for a short time, but managed to show himself well in battle. Our politicians labored with foam on their lips that Pasha had shot down in Spain either 10 or 20 or 30 aircraft. ”

Levers went to Spain in October 1936, heading a squad of 14 pilots. On the Iberian Peninsula, he had the pseudonym "Pablo Palankar". Levers together with his squads became part of the Air Group Pumpura. And by November there were about fifty I-15 and I-16 fighters in it. Levers also headed one of the units operating near Madrid.

The baptism of fire was not long in coming. Already 4 November Pavel Vasilyevich had his first fight. On this day, he and his group made several combat missions, in which they were able to shoot down 5 enemy aircraft. The next day, the Soviet pilots destroyed another enemy winged 4 vehicles. And the 6 numbers already personally Levers managed to win a couple of aerial duels.

During the month of 4, which held the Levers in Spain, he was beaten down 3 times. But this did not prevent him from becoming the best sniper among the Soviet pilots - he managed to shoot down 6 enemy planes. And for the destruction of one enemy machine he needed about 7 hours of flight time. This was a record for productivity. I must say that for certain it is not known how much exactly he shot down enemy aircraft. Because there is information about 8, 15, and even more than 20 winged cars.

Here is an excerpt from the book by Panov, which well demonstrates the situation: “Pashka himself, who returned from Spain with the rank of captain, visited Paris, where he looked, according to his stories, in a brothel (he saw it there), the Order Lenin and the "Golden Star" of the Hero of the Soviet Union shone, in response to our questions, he kept silent and only waved his hand. It spoke of Pasha's decency and his sober head, although he liked to drink. Too many comrades died next to him: my good friend Kovtun, many of our other mutual friends. Against this background, the bitter tales of the exploits of the “Spaniards” sounded blasphemous. Although some of these pilots who were pulled out of the Spanish meat grinder as exemplary exhibits completely lost their heads and weaving unbelievable things. ”

Levers did not tell exactly how much he shot down the aircraft. He thought it was a foolish boast. As for the Hero of the Soviet Union. This award "for courage and heroism shown in battles with enemies," Pavel Vasilyevich was awarded the December 31 1936 year. Together with the "Golden Star" he received the second Order of Lenin.

Georgy Zakharov, a colleague of Rychagov in Spain, recalled in his memoirs (he, by the way, speaks about 20 downed aircraft): “We were lucky with the leader. Many knew how to fly perfectly and fought well, but not every pilot could be the leader. Paul was created by nature for this role. What he did in battle was completely beyond explanation. Pavel was able to determine the only right moment to attack, always chose the direction of the blow to the enemy’s most vulnerable spot, and the capabilities of the lead combined in it with the high skill of an ordinary fighter - this was vividly indicated by the 20 aircraft he had shot down. As soon as Levers came into view, he was immediately surrounded by many people. I can say with confidence that in 1937, there would hardly have been another such squadron commander who enjoyed such authority with his pilots and fame in the country. The Golden Star of the Hero, two orders of Lenin, the Order of the Red Banner for combat work - in those days we had few people with such awards. ” It should be remembered that at that time Rychagov was just something 26 years ...

In early February, Pavel Vasilyevich’s 1937, was unexpectedly recalled from Spain. Together with him it was necessary to return to his homeland and the rest of the pilots of his squad. When Levers arrived in the USSR, in addition to the awards, he was given an extraordinary rank of major. Then Pavel Vasilyevich took the post of commander of the 65 th fighter squadron of the 81 th air brigade. And in December of the same year, he was elected to the Supreme Soviet of the USSR 1-th convocation.

But the peaceful life for Pavel Vasilyevich ended as suddenly as it began. In December, he was sent to China, as a senior adviser on the use of volunteer pilots from the USSR during the war with Japan. Here he received the pseudonym "General of the Battle". True, Rychagov himself did not have to fly this time. He commanded from the land. Pavel Vasilievich planned and coordinated the strikes unexpected and unexpected for the Japanese. He commanded airstrikes on airfields in Hangzhou and Taiwan. Moreover, the attack on the Japanese base in Taiwan 23 February 1938, was very painful. The enemy lost the order of fifty cruise cars and fuel reserves, calculated for several months. Therefore, for several weeks the aircraft did not take off from there.

In the summer of 1938, he managed to demonstrate his outstanding professionalism during the battle with the Japanese at Lake Hassan. This time the enemy dared to attack the territory of the Soviet Union. The Japanese managed to occupy the Nameless and Zaozernaya hills. Pavel Vasilyevich, who served as commander of the Air Force of the Primorsk group of the Far Eastern Front, wanted to deal with the enemy as soon as possible. Therefore, he tried to get permission to conduct a massive strike. Forces would be enough, because Levers had 180 bombers and 70 fighters.

And 6 August Soviet aircraft still flew to the position of the enemy. Pilots dropped bombs on the Japanese from extremely low altitude, despite the dense fire of anti-aircraft batteries. By the way, Vasily Konstantinovich Blucher personally observed the action of aviation. And on the phone he reported on the attack on Zaozernaya Hill, saying that it “gives the impression of not only being exploded, but literally scalped.” The success of Soviet aviation greatly helped the ground forces.

For successful operations in China, Pavel Vasilyevich received the Order of the Red Banner, as well as the medal "XX years of the Red Army." After these events and his career sharply rushed up. He received the title of kombriga. In the same year, 1938, Rychagov was accepted as a member of the CPSU (b) at the suggestion of Stalin. And he passed the period of the candidate's experience, the recommendations of Joseph Vissarionovich himself, as well as Voroshilov, affected.

To be continued ...
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  1. Fitter65
    Fitter65 April 23 2018 05: 30
    +13
    “You make us fly on coffins!”

    This is what he says about the airplanes the industry issued based on, simply speaking, the requirements of the military. And after all, under many documents confirming one or another point of the tactical and technical requirements when creating new models of airplanes, there was also the signature of the Air Force Commander. So who forced anyone to fly on coffins?
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 23 2018 07: 40
      +3
      Quote: Fitter65
      So who forced anyone to fly on coffins?

      The question is interesting ...
      Quote: Fitter65
      And after all, under many documents confirming one or another point of the tactical and technical requirements when creating new models of aircraft there was also the signature of the Air Force Commander-in-Chief.

      And how much SERIAL cars corresponded to REFERENCE standards and the Red Army Air Force High Command is also to blame for this?
      1. Vard
        Vard April 23 2018 07: 54
        +9
        Unfortunately, this phenomenon has not yet been eliminated in Russia ... A good person in life is rare ... very rarely is a good leader ... like this ... not a hat for Senka ... And now for example ... we show the same Seluyanova ... and the musician and the charm ... and the hand reaches for the gun ...
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA April 23 2018 11: 26
        +3
        Quote: svp67
        And how much SERIAL cars corresponded to REFERENCE standards and the Red Army Air Force High Command is also to blame for this?

        Bad they matched. And this problem was before Rychagov:
        In August - September 1938, there were many accidents of new engines. Pilots became afraid to fly on airplanes with these engines. Engines were handed over in each flight in battle, but there was nothing to replace bad motors. The pilots were very worried about this, because they knew that some of their comrades died in the battles, according to assumptions, only because of the surrender of the motor in the battle.
        © Combat use of the Air Force in the last period of the war in Spain. 1939
        An extremely difficult situation was created with the M-25 engines for the I-16 and I-15, and this situation was aggravated after the August batch of I-16 with the M-25V motor, which turned out to be disadvantageous due to their design and production shortcomings not enough hardy to work in combat conditions, where for the most part they use the full power of the engine ... For a short time, 26 of these new engines failed, and the rest gradually go out ...
        © adviser brigade commander A.P. Andreev
        1. Monarchist
          Monarchist April 23 2018 16: 29
          +1
          Alexey RA, dviguny for aircraft have always been a problem. Yakovlev wrote about this, “The Purpose of Life,” the pilots recalled. And in the post-war period, good engines for airplanes were a weak point for us, they talked about it in the theater in the 80-90s, and they remember it even more after a glass of tea "old pilots and car mechanics
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA April 23 2018 18: 57
            +1
            Quote: Monarchist
            Alexey RA, dviguny for aircraft have always been a problem. Yakovlev wrote about this, "The purpose of life," the pilots recalled

            And the researchers wrote. From the same prewar flower bed of promising models, it was possible to bring only the line of air vents M-82 and liquid M-107. Moreover, the M-82 family was brought to the level of "ready to be operated by ordinary pilots and ordinary technical staff"only in 1943 - more than a year after the cars with him massively went into the army.
            The whole depth of the fifth point of Soviet aircraft designers was that it was practically impossible to fulfill the existing TTZ Air Force serial engines (or perhaps, but at the limit of pilot production - which turned into problems in the series), and with promising ones - there was no guarantee of bringing them to the series . And even the use of a serial engine did not give a guarantee - the same M-88 killed the DB-3F series for six months.
      3. Fitter65
        Fitter65 April 23 2018 12: 01
        +5
        Quote: svp67
        And how much SERIAL cars corresponded to REFERENCE standards and the Red Army Air Force High Command is also to blame for this?

        And who took these cars? And who claimed the acts of military acceptance? Who approved the standards of aircraft for a certain period?
      4. NF68
        NF68 April 23 2018 15: 21
        +1
        [/ quote] And how much the SERIAL cars corresponded to the REFERENCE standards and the Air Force Red Army High Command is also to blame for this? [/ quote]

        To the point.
      5. karabas86
        karabas86 April 26 2018 22: 31
        0
        And who takes the finished car ???
    2. tlauicol
      tlauicol April 23 2018 08: 06
      +2
      He was in office for less than a year, and, in fact, at the first meeting he posed the question with an edge. So the flying coffins are not his fault
      1. Proxima
        Proxima April 23 2018 14: 37
        +9
        Quote: Tlauicol
        He was in office for less than a year, and, in fact, at the first meeting he posed the question with an edge. So the flying coffins are not his fault

        He didn’t raise a question with an edge, but justified himself for the high accident rate, which was his direct fault.
        He was after all the head of the Main Directorate of the Air Force of the Red Army and the Deputy People's Commissar of Defense of the USSR Timoshenko for Aviation. The head of everything that flies. Almost Soviet Goering. Isn’t it bold to shoot such a figure because of one phrase? Maybe it's not just her business?
        Here is one of his shoals: correct in principle, but hard-fulfilled desire completely discard ski gear - appealed to the categorical order. No skiing, that's all. As a result, in the winter of 1940-41, due to the lack of cleaning equipment (what a surprise!), The airfields were not cleaned anyway. Part of the regiments didn’t fly at all, the rest flew a little, but with terrible accident rate. Good preparation before the war! Better with skiing ... However, accident rate grew even more in spring - they didn’t fly at the helm for half a year ...
        And the growth of aviation and the problems arising from this can be foreseen by Rychagov !? This had to be conveyed to the leadership: “the plan for the deployment of aviation schools will require three times as much gasoline, three times as many training aircraft and will lead to four times more accidents. Instead, Leverage does not mind critics concerned about fuel economy. He begins to deal with accidents in a very original way:
        - severely punishes the bosses who allowed them. As a result, others chose not to fly. fool
        - he hides (from whom? !!) accident facts.

        And the problem still found a hero. On January 23, 1941, when flying an air regiment from Novosibirsk through Semipalatinsk to Tashkent, 3 planes crashed and 2 crashed, with 12 killed and 4 injured. Worse than that. "The Air Force leadership often hides the facts of accidents and disasters from the government, and when the government discovers these facts, the Air Force leadership tries to cover up these facts, resorting in some cases to the help of the people's commissar of defense ..
        This is from the minutes of the “same” meeting. They discussed not so much the accident as the attempt to hide it. For good Lever should sit and not shine. To blame. Instead, an absurd phrase: "- The accident will be big, because you make us fly on the coffins!". By the way, the accident had quite well-known causes, but the beaten planes - these are the latest DB-3a, which will then serve the whole war. Nothing to say, coffins ..
        So, it’s not so simple in Rychagov’s dark business
        1. DimerVladimer
          DimerVladimer April 23 2018 15: 12
          +7
          Quote: Proxima
          So, it’s not so simple in Rychagov’s dark business


          And what - for this he should be shot?

          I did not cope with the position, I was silent about the accident rate - to remove from the post and to the troops - to command the regiment. Do not shoot the same!
          1. Proxima
            Proxima April 23 2018 15: 52
            +4
            Quote: DimerVladimer
            Quote: Proxima
            So, it’s not so simple in Rychagov’s dark business

            And what - for this he should be shot?

            Of course should not to be shot! I’m talking about something else, about a myth, that he rudely answered Stalin and that he shot him for it ...
        2. NIKNN
          NIKNN April 23 2018 15: 28
          +3
          However, in the spring the accident rate grew even more - it took six months to fly at the helm ...
          Well, this is still the case ... A catastrophe, a ban on flights of this type (and sometimes for a very long time) Not only does the 3rd class pilot recover from scratch during a month break, so their skills drop, the likelihood of accidents increases and ... as a rule, an accident is a disaster again, we sit again and miraculously break out of this closed curve ... almost like natural selection ..., the main authorities reacted, you won’t quarrel ...
        3. NF68
          NF68 April 24 2018 20: 10
          0
          Quote: Proxima
          He did not raise the question with an edge, but justified himself for the high accident rate, in which his direct fault was.
          He was after all the head of the Main Directorate of the Air Force of the Red Army and the Deputy People's Commissar of Defense of the USSR Timoshenko for Aviation. The head of everything that flies. Almost Soviet Goering. Isn’t it bold to shoot such a figure because of one phrase? Maybe it's not just her business?


          If he were also the head of everything, what in the USSR was connected with the production of aircraft. He was forced to take what the Soviet industry gave the Red Army Air Force, and since there were more than enough shortcomings in this area, it was not worth blaming everything on the Red Army Air Force commander. He was not guilty of design flaws or low quality of the products manufactured by the aviation industry.
    3. Finches
      Finches April 23 2018 13: 01
      +7
      In his relative youth, he blurted out, not realizing that the main thing in his own phrase was one word expressing the whole essence and meaning of flying: “fly”! Without flights and the development of aviation, it is in no way possible to know and see - the errors of the plane and the pilot are visible only in flight ...
      But what, repressed - such a time! Maybe they would have lost the war without repression - History has no subjunctive mood, but humanly sorry! Although, dear comrade-monarchist Olgovich hi and Co., as usual, will write "cursed Stalin reached out", despite the fact that Rychagov was a convinced Bolshevik laughing !
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave April 23 2018 23: 01
        0
        The fact is, it is likely that now, against the backdrop of general sloppiness, few understand that great power implies a great responsibility assigned by society. Then, probably, everything was perceived differently, "did not justify trust - answer with your head." All this is strange, like, most of those present survived the "dashing 90s", however, they could not stand the fact that "you have to answer for the bazaar."
    4. Basil50
      Basil50 April 23 2018 17: 23
      +4
      It was only later, after the death of JOSEPH VISSARIONOVICH STALIN, they began to come up with a reason, and so arose about * coffins *. In fact, even then, before the start of the war, it was revealed that the training of pilots and even piloting instructions were worthless. So also discipline fell, appointments to posts did not correspond to knowledge and skills. The fact that Rychagov did not see that at his post only says that he saw his post only as something like * feeding * given to him.
      The defeat of aviation in 1941 is his fault. Pilots died, aviation specialists died at airfields devoid of any anti-aircraft artillery, SOVIET CITIZENS died, soldiers and commanders of the RED Army died.
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 April 23 2018 17: 51
        +6
        He was a young boy, and also, unfortunately, a super talented pilot. Both of these qualities categorically contradicted his position. A young man generally does not understand the problems of other people, there is simply no experience needed.
        And great talent considers it natural that for everyone else is an achievement that has been going on for years. Lever in flight prevented the walkie-talkie. Distracted. Well, he forbade them to be put on all planes! The guy was completely unsuitable for either the general’s position, or even for the colonel’s.
        Alas, because of all this, Levers killed so many people and technology that the execution was completely deserved. But what did Stalin think? Let's be honest - Stalin was no less guilty. Why the hell did the guy shove all these posts? All his skills were absolutely not in the plane of command, organization and management.
        A sad and dreary story about the same fatal flaw of Stalin - those who better fit the position did not always advance. The champions were held in high esteem. Reached. And what did they achieve at the same time, and whether the skills and qualities that led to the achievements are useful, this was taken into account very poorly.
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave April 23 2018 23: 16
          +2
          In the pre-war period, the authorities very poorly distinguished propagandists from hard workers, a person who was out of place was a common occurrence. The war placed emphasis, the authorities learned, unfortunately, only Khrushchev could use the fruits of training.
      2. Basil50
        Basil50 April 23 2018 18: 40
        +1
        It was not JOSIF VISSARIONOVICH STALIN who put forward Rychagov to this post. Here at the appointment there was a conversation and Rychagov assured IOSIF VISSARIONOVICH STALIN that he would cope with the task entrusted. Cheerfully assured. And then instructions for both training and aerobatics began to appear. In my opinion, with him pilots from schools began to be released as sergeants?
        1. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 April 24 2018 08: 30
          +1
          Well what are you talking about? Well, if not Stalin? Who else decided the appointment to positions of this level? And who was responsible for this work? Who knows what confident young talent assures an experienced leader? Spit on what he carries, wanting new stars and rhombs.
          Stalin knew how to select personnel. But rather by intuition than with the help of some sort of formalized technique. Well, that’s let us all down. Every failure of intuition cost the country tremendously expensive. I advise you not to go over to the veneration of some historical figure in fanaticism. The fanaticism of Marxist-Leninist teaching cost the USSR life.
  2. Olgovich
    Olgovich April 23 2018 06: 11
    +13
    Wonderful, talented, beautiful Russian pilot.
    I am sure that he would be one of the best aces of the Second World War.
    But, with the worst losses of pilots in 1941, this asa-... shot .... fool
    Как Shot and the FIRST double Hero of the SS ace Smushkevich...
    It’s impossible for a normal person to understand the logic of these crimes ... request
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 April 23 2018 07: 29
      +19
      Quote: Olgovich
      It’s impossible for a normal person to understand the logic of these crimes

      Are you sure that we have all the information about these people?
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol April 23 2018 08: 09
        +5
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Quote: Olgovich
        It’s impossible for a normal person to understand the logic of these crimes

        Are you sure that we have all the information about these people?

        Yeah, what if he was still to blame! So he was shot correctly! Bravo!
        1. tomket
          tomket April 26 2018 11: 55
          +1
          Quote: Tlauicol
          Yeah, what if he was still to blame! So he was shot correctly! Bravo!

          In principle, there is another example. When a person realizing the extent of the losses to which his miscalculations led, he did not wait for the commissions, arrest, but he shot himself. Kopets surname.
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich April 23 2018 08: 14
        +6
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Are you sure that we have all the information about these people?

        What can we find out about the Heroes of the USSR, all the while giving flight and service worthy of being shot quietly even without trial? Assume at least something non-absurdhi
      3. DimerVladimer
        DimerVladimer April 23 2018 11: 18
        +7
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Are you sure that we have all the information about these people?


        And how many pilots and commanders of this rank in the USA were shot before the war? During the war?
        In general, to shoot without trial is cowardly.
      4. Fitter65
        Fitter65 April 23 2018 12: 04
        +1
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Are you sure that we have all the information about these people?

        I would also add true!
    2. svp67
      svp67 April 23 2018 07: 41
      +2
      Quote: Olgovich
      It’s impossible for a normal person to understand the logic of these crimes ...

      It is really difficult to understand it, since the documents in the case of the “pilots” have never been declassified and not made public. What is stored in those folders, what secrets that should be kept until now?
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich April 23 2018 08: 11
        +7
        Quote: svp67
        since the documents in the case of the “pilots” were never declassified or publicized.

        What can be there, besides the absolute and obvious absurdity?
        Rychagov, Smushkevich, are not cabinet rulers, but practicing highly professional pilots who have proven their allegiance to the motherland in battles. What was recognized by their high awards.
        And they were simply shot, without even the likeness of a “court”, even without a triple-deuce, but simply by order of ....
        Wildness, in my opinion ...
        Smushkevich is the first in the USSR twice Hero ....
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion April 23 2018 08: 22
          +9
          Is everything all right with your head? These very citizens, on the contrary, have been studied and questioned for a very long time, along with the traitor Pavlov, how much they managed to do so, that somewhere due to "bullshit" whole regiments turned out to be ineffective.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich April 23 2018 09: 15
            +7
            Quote: EvilLion
            Is everything all right with your head?

            You (just you, not you) would check yours.
            Quote: EvilLion
            These very citizens, on the contrary, have been studied and questioned for a very long time, along with the traitor Pavlov, how much they managed to do so, that somewhere due to "bullshit" whole regiments turned out to be ineffective.

            They were shot WITHOUT a court. Comes or repeat THIRD times? fool
            1. EvilLion
              EvilLion April 23 2018 10: 55
              +7
              Are you really stubborn? On the contrary, their cases were dismantled for months, and shot only in the fall. According to the results of the proceedings.

              Under Stalin, they rarely shot anyone, and certainly they didn’t shoot for incompetence.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich April 23 2018 13: 33
                +1
                Quote: EvilLion
                You

                Not "you", but "YOU." Again, didn’t get it? belay lol
                Quote: EvilLion
                On the contrary, they were dismantled for months, and shot only in the fall. According to the results of the proceedings.

                PEOPLE are not dogs to destroy WITHOUT a court. There was no court, the FOURTH time I repeat for the slow-witted
                Quote: EvilLion
                to Stalin, they rarely shot anyone, and certainly not shot for incompetenceThere were a lot of slandering people, but for some reason very few were shot, the vast majority were simply transferred to the posts they managed.

                fool
                Who said that? ALL military leaders shot under Stalin are REHABILITATED (except for the communist Vlasov and his accomplices).
                Your disrespect for the decisions of the Soviet and Russian courts and laws adopted for almost 70 years after 1953 is the least that interests
                1. Alf
                  Alf April 23 2018 20: 18
                  +4
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  ALL military leaders shot under Stalin-REHABILITATED

                  By whom ? Khrushchev? And who is he?
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich April 24 2018 05: 24
                    +1
                    Quote: Alf
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    ALL military leaders shot under Stalin-REHABILITATED

                    By whom ? Khrushchev? And who is he?

                    STATE- USSR and RF
          2. DimerVladimer
            DimerVladimer April 23 2018 15: 54
            +3
            Quote: EvilLion
            how much they managed to do such things that somewhere because of the “bullshit” whole regiments turned out to be ineffective.


            This is not a reason to shoot! -Sam appointed appointed himself shot? Such a principle of recruitment?
            A good pilot does not mean a good organizer.
            Zhukov was a good commander, but worthless chief of the general staff, part of the 1941 disaster - and his "merit." But they did not shoot Zhukov and commanded the whole war ...

            Could send to command the corps, division regiment, squadron. Shooting such pilots is both stupid and criminal.
        2. apro
          apro April 23 2018 09: 25
          +4
          Quote: Olgovich
          What can be there, besides the absolute and obvious absurdity?

          Say absurdity ... but what a catastrophic defeat of the Soviet Air Force is this? Again, IVStalin is to blame? With whom to ask no matter how from the boss.
          These career ups are always fraught with no sufficient experience in the current position. No knowledge.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich April 23 2018 10: 31
            +5
            Quote: apro
            Say absurdity ... but what a catastrophic defeat of the Soviet Air Force is this? Again, IVStalin is to blame? With whom to ask no matter how from the boss.

            And I remind you: there was NO COURT! There were wild beatings and execution by order of Beria. ALL!
            And the sole leader of the country is certainly to blame for the tragedy of 1941.
            Quote: apro
            These career ups are always fraught with no sufficient experience in the current position. No knowledge.

            Did you take off yourself?
            1. EvilLion
              EvilLion April 23 2018 10: 58
              +6
              There were wild beatings and execution by order of Beria. EVERYTHING!


              You are sick. They beat it only in your fantasies, in reality they carry out an investigation whose goal is not to shoot someone, but to establish the truth. And beat the face, well, so innocent and knowing this, may not give up for months.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich April 23 2018 13: 38
                +3
                Quote: EvilLion
                You are sick.

                Remember: lunatics always advise to be treated ... for healthy people. yes (Say "YOU")
                Quote: EvilLion
                They beat it only in your fantasies, in reality they carry out an investigation whose goal is not to shoot someone, but to establish the truth. And beat the face, well, so innocent and knowing this, may not give up for months.

                There is evidence of the beating themselves. And who are you to say the opposite? No one, respectively, and the price of your Wishlist (fiction) is zilch.
                1. Alexander Greene
                  Alexander Greene April 23 2018 22: 38
                  +4
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Remember: lunatics always advise to be treated ... for healthy people.

                  You don’t notice, something around you has already gathered a lot of “psychos”? You have been advised more than once to be treated. A true psycho always considers himself a healthy person.
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich April 24 2018 05: 26
                    0
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    You don’t notice, something around you is very many "loonies" gathered?

                    Only a real psycho thinks loonies. lol
                    1. Alexander Greene
                      Alexander Greene April 24 2018 09: 05
                      +2
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      Only a real psycho thinks loonies.

                      No, you’re mistaken, the real psycho of all loonies considers normal.
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich April 24 2018 10: 53
                        0
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        a real psycho considers all psychos normal.

                        your favorite, well-known topic lol
                      2. Alexander Greene
                        Alexander Greene April 24 2018 18: 57
                        +1
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        ... your favorite, well-known topic

                        I’ve been watching you for a long time, I can defend a dissertation on this as a caliber.
              2. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh April 23 2018 16: 58
                +3
                "They beat it only in your fantasies, in reality they carry out the investigation" ////

                In reality, they do not beat, but cruelly torture. sad
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker April 23 2018 17: 02
                  +4
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  In reality, they do not beat, but cruelly torture.

                  Abu Ghraib, Guantanomo .....
                  good
            2. Fitter65
              Fitter65 April 23 2018 12: 23
              +6
              Quote: Olgovich
              And I remind you: there was NO COURT! There were wild beatings and execution by order of Beria.

              About the absence of a court and Beria’s personal order, and verbally, given personally by one source, by telephone, by another, by third, he personally controlled the execution, they began to write at the beginning of perestroika, this is the first. How wild beating is known from personal memoirs? as about Rokossovsky who was wildly tortured, the truth is not in any personal memoirs that did not rule during the years of perestroika. These are two.
              After Beria was appointed head of the NKVD, and before the start of World War II, part of the “unreasonably convicted” prisoners, including officers arrested on false charges, were released from the camps. In particular, in 1939 the army restored 11178 previously dismissed and detained commanders.
              this article from one article about L.P. Beria, about the first amnesty that he spent joining the post of People's Commissar, there really is not a word in it.
              According to A.S. Barsenkov and A.I. Vdovin, with the advent of L.P. Beria to the post of head of the NKVD, the scale of repression fell sharply, and the Great Terror ended. In 1939, 2,6 thousand people were sentenced to capital punishment on charges of counter-revolutionary crimes, 1940 thousand in 1,6. In 1939-1940, the vast majority of those not convicted in 1937-1938 were released; also some of the convicts and sent to camps were released. According to data cited by V. N. Zemskov, in 1938, 279 966 people were released. The MSU expert commission found factual errors in the textbook of Barsenkov and Vdovin and estimates the number of people released in 1939-1940 at 150-200 thousand people

              But we do not have the United States, so everyone can have their own opinion ...
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich April 23 2018 13: 47
                +2
                Quote: Fitter65
                ro the absence of a court and Beria’s personal order, moreover, verbal, given by one source personally, by other phone, by third, he personally controlled the execution, they began to write at the beginning of perestroika, this is the first.

                Tell us how Rychagov and Smushkevich fought in the Second World War. Or worked. Or sat. You can not? Where are people? This is the first.
                Quote: Fitter65
                About the wild beating, how do you knowfrom personal memoirs?. It's like about Rokossovsky who was wildly torturedthe truth is not in any personal memoirs that did not rule during the years of perestroika there is not one line. These are two.

                Personal memoirs executed Rychagova? What's wrong with you? belay
                WHAT could Rkossovsky write under beatings of power about beatings? What's wrong with you? These are two.
                Quote: Fitter65
                After Beria was appointed head of the NKVD, and before the start of World War II, part of the camps was freed. “Unreasonably convicted", Including officers arrested on false charges.

                And unreasonably shot, revived, right?
                1. Fitter65
                  Fitter65 April 23 2018 17: 33
                  +4
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  WHAT could Rkossovsky write under beatings of power about beatings?

                  What he could write, but everything else is what they wrote instead.
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Tell us how Rychagov and Smushkevich fought in World War II.

                  And what did they fight in the Second World War?
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  And unreasonably shot, revived, right?

                  Do you have 100% evidence that is not justified? Or again from the series, from the beginning, yes, you know how much you’re sitting there for, which then turns into innocent convicts, and then illegally suffered. Passed through. Give a specific case, look and come to the conclusion what, who, whom and how. If Rokosovsky’s guilt wasn’t proved, then he was rehabilitated. Moreover, with the return of everything and everything. The truth is, when a person is hit with a hammer on the toes, then the person after that walks very lame in the best case. And all his life. In our early 2000s, a locksmith dropped a simple hammer, and then take it and fall on it his right leg. Despite what was in his boots, and in time he was brought to the medical unit - he still walks with a limp ...
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich April 24 2018 05: 35
                    0
                    Quote: Fitter65
                    What could he wrote

                    About the beating, could he write? fool
                    Quote: Fitter65
                    And what did they fight in the Second World War?

                    In your opinion, they could
                    Quote: Fitter65
                    Do you have 100% evidence that is not justified?

                    ALL-rehabilitated by the State. What's not clear?
                    Quote: Fitter65
                    Passed through. Give a specific case, we look and come to the conclusion that, who, whom and how.

                    What nonsense is this? Are you a court, defense, prosecutor to make a decision?
                    IN LEGAL order, military commanders are rehabilitated. LAW all the so-called "judges" are recognized as illegal.
                    Don't like the Laws? It's your problems.
        3. Hantengri
          Hantengri April 23 2018 10: 03
          +4
          Quote: Olgovich
          Quote: svp67
          since the documents in the case of the “pilots” were never declassified or publicized.
          What can be there, besides the absolute and obvious absurdity?

          For example evidence of guilt, or evidence of fabrication of a case.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich April 23 2018 10: 32
            +2
            Quote: HanTengri
            For example

            T. lover of mate and mr, leave me alone.
        4. svp67
          svp67 April 23 2018 12: 36
          +5
          Quote: Olgovich
          What can be there, besides the absolute and obvious absurdity?

          But I wonder if this is so, then why they are not declassified, even when they declassified everything
          Quote: Olgovich
          And they were simply shot, without even the likeness of a “court”, even without a triple-deuce, but simply by order of ....

          But this is FROM WHERE? Have you seen and read their affairs?
          Quote: Olgovich
          What was recognized by their high awards.

          I beg you, before that they shot people who were awarded no less honorable awards and in the ranks of MARSHALOV.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich April 23 2018 14: 02
            +1
            Quote: svp67
            But I wonder if this is so, then what they are not declassified, even when all declassified

            I am ashamed. I am ashamed of the blatant absurdity of "deeds."
            Quote: svp67
            But this is FROM WHERE? Have you seen and read their affairs?

            I am not the Court and not the Prosecutor in order to evaluate in aggregate the details of the so-called "affairs". For this there were appropriate people, authorities, "raking" the so-called "affairs" of "enemies of the people"Prosecutor General of the USSR R. Rudenko:
            “Despite the lack of objective evidence that Rychagov was guilty of serious state crimes, he, among the other 25 who were arrested, was shot without trial on 28 October 1941 according to the criminal order of Beria, and the enemies of the people of Kobulov and Wlodzimirsky in 1942 falsified the conclusion of the shooting Rychagova, knowingly falsely indicating in him that the charge against him was proved. The case of Pavel Vasilyevich Rychagov by the USSR Prosecutor's Office was dismissed for lack of corpus delicti in his actions and he was posthumously rehabilitated.

            Quote: svp67
            I beg you, before that they shot people who were awarded no less honorable awards and in the ranks of MARSHALOV

            Those. if even the marshals were shot, then what can we say about the generals? belay And the generals are also people, and very, very honored.
            1. svp67
              svp67 April 23 2018 15: 49
              +5
              Quote: Olgovich
              I am ashamed. I am ashamed of the blatant absurdity of "deeds."

              Now you said stupidity. Well this is what ARGUMENT in the “monument of anti-Stalinism” and they do not use it, although the smaller ones do not miss it ... No, there is something that they DO NOT WANT to disclose and that it will VERYLY hit all the constructions of the current history
              Quote: Olgovich
              And the generals are also people, and very, very honored.

              I agree, even despite the fact that a couple of years before that they were only lieutenants
              Quote: Olgovich
              Despite the lack of objective evidence that Rychagov was guilty of serious state crimes, he, among the other 25 arrested, was shot without trial on October 28, 1941, according to Beria’s criminal order

              Sorry, but something is wrong. I’m so familiar with the affairs and decisions of Lavrenty Pavlovich, but somehow he didn’t like to scatter people like that, although of course he was not an angel, but it was he who contributed to the fact that many people were released from the camps who fell under the “rink of terror”, but here so once and the command of the Air Force ...
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich April 24 2018 05: 45
                0
                Quote: svp67
                Now you said stupidity. Well this is what ARGUMENT in the “monument of anti-Stalinism” and they do not use it, although the smaller ones do not miss it ... No, what is there is such that they DO NOT WANT to disclose and something will VERYLY hit all the designs current stories
                What is such a CURRENT story? Can strike only on YESTERDAY.
                I am ashamed of the prestige of the authorities in general, which these "deeds" drop below the baseboard: the country is at war, and the best aces are shot for delusional reasons. What is the assessment of that power? That's not picking.
                Stupidity - stupidity said - time will judge. I admit if wrong. But you remember when they open.
                Quote: svp67
                Sorry, but something is wrong. I’m so familiar with the affairs and decisions of Lavrenty Pavlovich, but somehow he didn’t like to scatter people like that, although of course he was not an angel, but it was he who contributed to the fact that many people were released from the camps who fell under the “rink of terror”, but here so the Air Force command ..

                These are the words of the Prosecutor General of the USSR, i.e. States.
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 23 2018 11: 22
      +5
      Quote: Olgovich
      How they shot the FIRST twice Hero of the SS ace Smushkevich ...

      After the unhindered flight of the German Ju-52 to Moscow, this was to be expected.
      In the toothless Gorbachev era, the Minister of Defense and the Air Defense Commander flew from their posts for a similar emergency.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich April 23 2018 14: 15
        +1
        Quote: Alexey RA
        After the unhindered flight of the German Ju-52 to Moscow, this was to be expected.

        What are you saying? The flight was at MAY 15 41, and Rychagov was removed from all posts on APRIL 9. And Heroes were accused of something else: participation in an anti-Soviet conspiracy and espionage.
        And twice the Hero of the Soviet Union, aviation lieutenant general Y. Smushkevich, accused of having links with the “enemy of the people Uborevich”, was arrested on June 8. KGB officers “took” him directly to the hospital, where he was lying with broken legs after an accident. Twice Hero was taken out of the hospital on a stretcher. And on the same ones on a stretcherx dragged to the place of execution.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA April 23 2018 15: 24
          +4
          Quote: Olgovich
          What are you saying? The flight was at MAY 15 41, and Rychagov was removed from all posts on APRIL 9. And Heroes were accused of something else: participation in an anti-Soviet conspiracy and espionage.

          Read carefully - I wrote specifically about Smushkevich.
          Quote: Alexey RA
          Quote: Olgovich
          How they shot the FIRST twice Hero of the SS ace Smushkevich ...

          Quote: Olgovich
          And Heroes were accused of something else: participation in an anti-Soviet conspiracy and espionage.
          And twice the Hero of the Soviet Union, aviation lieutenant general Y. Smushkevich, accused of having links with the “enemy of the people Uborevich”, was arrested on June 8. KGB officers “took” him directly to the hospital, where he was lying with broken legs after an accident.

          At that time, it was somehow difficult to interpret otherwise that on the eve of the war the headquarters of the Air Force was letting a German plane from the border to Moscow.
          No measures were taken to halt the flight of the off-schedule Yu-52 aircraft also through the Main Air Force Main Directorate. Moreover, the chief of staff of the air force of the spacecraft, Major General Aviation Volodin, and the deputy chief of the 1st department of the headquarters of the air force, major general of aviation Grendal, knowing that the Yu-52 plane arbitrarily flown the border, not only did not take measures to detain him, but and facilitated his flight to Moscow by permission to land at the Moscow aerodrome and instructing the air defense service to provide a flight.
          © Order "On the fact of unhindered passage through the border of the Yu-52 aircraft on May 15, 1941."
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 April 23 2018 15: 27
            0
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Order "On the fact of unhindered passage through the border of the Yu-52 15 aircraft in May 1941"

            Is this the one that landed at the stadium?
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA April 23 2018 16: 08
              0
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              Is this the one that landed at the stadium?

              At the airport near the Dynamo Stadium.
              Moreover, the chief of staff of the air force of the spacecraft, Major General Aviation Volodin, and the deputy chief of the 1st department of the headquarters of the air force, major general of aviation Grendal, knowing that the Yu-52 plane arbitrarily flown the border, not only did not take measures to detain him, but and facilitated his flight to Moscow landing permission at the Moscow airfielde and giving instructions to the air defense service to ensure the flight.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 April 23 2018 16: 09
                0
                So I about it and I interpret ... laughing
          2. Olgovich
            Olgovich April 24 2018 05: 51
            0
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Read carefully - I wrote specifically about Smushkevich.

            They were accused (Rychagov and Smushkevich) of ONE and the same conspiracy
            Quote: Alexey RA
            At that time, it was somehow difficult to interpret otherwise that on the eve of the war the headquarters of the Air Force was letting a German plane from the border to Moscow.

            Rokossovsky, Gorbatov, Tukhachevsky, etc., also missed the plane?
            Quote: Alexey RA
            on the eve of war

            On the eve of the war, German aircraft violated the borders of the USSR MANY times. With impunity.
        2. Alexander Greene
          Alexander Greene April 23 2018 22: 51
          +6
          Quote: Olgovich
          Twice Hero was taken out of the hospital on a stretcher. And on the same on a stretcher dragged to the place of execution.

          Interestingly, quench your curiosity: have the stretchers been returned to the hospital or thrown away? After all, they arrested him on June 8, and shot in October 1941.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich April 24 2018 05: 47
            0
            Quote: Alexander Green
            Interestingly, quench your curiosity: have the stretchers been returned to the hospital or thrown away?

            Left. yes
            1. Alexander Greene
              Alexander Greene April 24 2018 09: 06
              0
              Quote: Olgovich
              Left

              It can not be.
      2. DimerVladimer
        DimerVladimer April 23 2018 16: 00
        +2
        Quote: Alexey RA

        After the unhindered flight of the German Ju-52 to Moscow, this was to be expected.


        In civilized countries, for miscalculations - they are removed from office, demoted, imprisoned if intentionally. But to shoot ...

        Somehow, the commander of the Pacific Fleet, Admiral Kimmel, was not shot, although he was defamed. But the congressional commission after the war, justified, because his immediate superiors didn’t bring Kimmel intelligence and decryption just before the attack on Pearl Harbor, and this would greatly change the state of the Pacific Fleet on the day of the attack - for example, he would have met the attack in combat readiness and would raise aviation. A completely different alignment would be for Admiral Yamamoto ...
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA April 23 2018 19: 29
          +3
          Quote: DimerVladimer
          In civilized countries, for miscalculations - they are removed from office, demoted, imprisoned if intentionally. But to shoot ...
          Somehow, the commander of the Pacific Fleet, Admiral Kimmel, was not shot, although he was defamed.

          Kimmel had a reinforced concrete selection of documents for all his actions: his and Short's requests for Washington to increase combat readiness - and Washington’s refreshed answers "Your actions may disrupt negotiations with Japan, we prohibit raising readiness, and do not succumb to provocations". So it was extremely dangerous to plant him - the same results of the Congress and Senate commissions tried to slow down, because it turned out that the senators even had a snout in the cannon. The same unavailability and long deployment of army air defense on the island were caused by the ban on landowners (including Congressmen) to conduct exercises and equip permanent positions in their territories - this is private property, we don’t need any troopers here. And while trying to explain the situation, Short and Kimmel were threatened with troubles in Washington, as well as a delay in terms and higher prices for military construction. And that surfaced on the Senate Commission ...
      3. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh April 23 2018 16: 54
        +1
        "After the unimpeded flight of the German Ju-52" ///

        The plane flew quite officially. To bring
        Hitler’s personal letter to Stalin, where he assured “his friend”,
        that the concentration of German troops at the Soviet borders "to
        trick the British before moving troops south. "
        Stalin bought into a "friend's letter," like a small child on a candy cane.
        And he wrote the famous order of "restraint and not give in
        on a provocation, "which paralyzed the Red Army.
    4. Looking for
      Looking for April 23 2018 12: 44
      0
      You, enemy, wanted to write-SOVIET !!
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich April 23 2018 14: 16
        0
        Quote: Seeker
        You, enemy, wanted to write-SOVIET !!

        RUSSIAN he is a Muscovite.
        Got it?
    5. Samson
      Samson April 23 2018 14: 45
      +3
      How they shot the FIRST twice Hero of the SS ace Smushkevich ...
      It’s impossible for a normal person to understand the logic of these crimes


      If it weren’t for the war, then Rokosovsky, Vannikov, Korolev and many other talented and slandered would have been shot or ditched in the camps, and for the war we needed warriors, military leaders and real designers, and not party sneaks, sexots and upstarts!
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 April 23 2018 16: 40
        +4
        Quote: Samson
        or ditched in the camps

        Do not write nonsense. My grandfather was in captivity, then - a fine battalion, and he never blamed Stalin.
        1. Samson
          Samson April 23 2018 17: 48
          +1
          You don’t write nonsense, Rokosovsky, Korolev, Vannikov, Landau, and many thousands sat in camps, and twice the hero of the USSR aviation lieutenant general Yakov Vladimirovich Smushkevich
          25 arrested people, on October 28, 1941, without trial, was shot according to the order of L.P. Beria No. 2756 / B dated 18.10.41/1942/XNUMX, and the Deputy People's Commissar of Internal Affairs of the USSR B.Z. Kobulov and L.E. Vlodzimirsky in hindsight falsified the conclusion of the execution, and their family members were also repressed.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 April 23 2018 19: 20
            +2
            Quote: Samson
            as well as members of their families were repressed.

            Goofy! And they were definitely not blameless?
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      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA April 23 2018 19: 49
        +4
        Quote: Samson
        If it weren’t for the war, then Rokosovsky, Vannikov, Korolev and many other talented and slandered would be shot, or ditched in the camps

        Korolev was summoned to review the case in March 1940 and transferred to the scarab in the summer of 1940. There was nothing to do with the war.
        Rokossovsky was rehabilitated in March 1940. There is nothing to do with war.
        Here it would be more likely to thank Lavrenty Pavlovich, who launched the process of reviewing the affairs of his predecessor.
        Vannikov ... the personality is ambiguous.
        “At the Collegium of the People’s Commissariat of State Control, where the USSR People’s Commissar of Arms, Boris Lvovich Vannikov, was also present, we read these acts. He sat next to me and jokingly commented on the flaws identified by the controllers. They were especially serious in the production of ammunition.
        Mehlis sat on the chair, chewed dried prunes (recently quit smoking) and after reading each act threw sharp remarks at Vannikov. And Boris says quietly to me: “Ivan, keep in mind: a Jew will not bite his eye out to a Jew, like a raven to a raven.” He literally said in his ear, but Mehlis heard. He interrupted the reading of the next act, spat out a bone of prunes, called somewhere. We hear:
        “Comrade Stalin, we have been explaining to Vannikov for an hour and a half that his people's commissar is behind in the production of heavy caliber artillery ammunition, and he is teasing us.
        After listening to the answer of Stalin, Mehlis told us:
        - Let's get into the car!
        The four of us went: Mehlis, his first deputy Popov, Vannikov and I. The car was already waiting at the entrance, and five minutes later we left on New Square, near the building of the Central Committee of the party. We went into Stalin’s office. He said: "Sit down!" We sat silent, he too. He lit a pipe, turned to Vannikov: “Well, tell me!” Vannikov said de thanks to the National Audit Office for discovering problems. The People’s Commissar will take immediate action ... Stalin interrupted him:
        - No, you are not talking about that. You tell me how they joked.
        Vannikov did not refuse. He repeated to Stalin his joke about a Jew and a raven. Stalin walked calmly and calmly said:
        - Now, when the Soviet people are in great danger of war, some could have ended up in prison for such statements. You can go, we and other comrades will do other things. "
        © from the memoirs of the head of VOSO Kovalev
        1. Samson
          Samson April 23 2018 20: 33
          0
          Well, they were preparing for war and they collected military technicians from the camps, Vavilov was not needed as a specialist, and therefore he died of starvation.
          Korolev arrived in Moscow on March 2, 1940, where four months later he was convicted a second time by the Special Conference, sentenced to 8 years in prison and sent to the Moscow special prison of the NKVD TsKB-29, where, under the leadership of A. N. Tupolev, also a prisoner, he took an active part in the creation of the Pe-2 and Tu-2 bombers and at the same time proactively developed projects for guided airborne torpedoes and a new version of the missile interceptor.
          This was the reason for the transfer of S.P. Korolev in 1942 to another prison-type design bureau - OKB-16 at Kazan Aircraft Plant No. 16 (now the Open Joint-Stock Company Kazan Motor-Building Production Association / OJSC KMPO /), where work was underway on missile new types of engines for the purpose of their use in aviation


          I have other information about Vannikov, see the link:
          http://kackad.com/kackad/%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BA
          %D0%BE%D0%BC-%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA
          % D0% BE% D0% B2 /

          Two weeks before the outbreak of war, on June 7, 1941 Vannikov was arrested. He was accused of being a member of a military conspiracy and a German spy. He was mercilessly beaten. What happened to him in the dungeons of the NKVD, in 1953, Beria said during interrogations: “C Vannikov was a meat grinder
          Boris Lvovich Vannikov was released at the beginning of the war
          July 20, 1941 was suddenly released and appointed
          Deputy People's Commissar of Arms. B. E. Chertok in his memoirs told the story of the release of B. L. Vannikov as highly unusual and very similar to the legend. According to him, when, after a month of the war, there were strong disruptions in the supply of ammunition, Stalin asked Beria about the fate of Vannikov. Vannikov, who was being held in the Lubyanka, was urgently brought to a decent appearance and taken to the leader. Stalin offered Vannikov the post of people's commissar of ammunition and asked "not to hold grudges for what happened" [3]. There is also a statement by Mikoyan’s son Sergo about his father, “he also took part in the fact that at the beginning of the war B. L. Vannikov was taken directly from prison to Stalin’s office and appointed Commissar of Arms”
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 April 23 2018 20: 41
            +3
            Maybe enough garbage to flog? Give Sokolov an example, just do not forget to voice his real name.
            1. Samson
              Samson April 23 2018 21: 51
              +1
              You’ve argued garbage and stupidity first about your grandfather, who has nothing to do with this topic, by the way, and many of those who were held captive were not executed even after serving in the camps, if they survived they were released. And the historian Boris Vadimovich Sokolov has no other surname for this topic either.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 April 24 2018 05: 44
                +1
                Quote: Samson
                And the historian Boris Vadimovich Sokolov has no other surname for this topic either.

                What makes you think that I am writing about him? No, I mean Orlov-Feldbin. negative
                1. Samson
                  Samson April 24 2018 07: 44
                  0
                  Give Sokolov an example, just do not forget to voice his real name.

                  Are you bad with memory, sclerosis?
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        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich April 24 2018 05: 54
          0
          Quote: Alexey RA
          Here it’s rather worth thanking Lavrenty Pavlovich who launched the process case review its predecessor.

          And the shot-alive?
    6. KLV
      KLV April 23 2018 15: 45
      +4
      The request to write either the GSS, or the Hero of the Soviet Union. SS is something else.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich April 24 2018 08: 09
        0
        Quote: KLV
        The request to write either the GSS, or the Hero of the Soviet Union. SS is something else.

        You are right, I also noticed absurdity, the second time I already wrote GSS. hi
    7. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 April 26 2018 13: 44
      +1
      Yes, by the way, Rychagov’s, one might say, classic Great Russian appearance.
    8. svp67
      svp67 April 27 2018 17: 01
      0
      Quote: Olgovich
      FIRST twice Hero of the SS ace Smushkevich ...

      You have the wrong information ...
      Grigory Panteleevich Kravchenko - FIRST Hero of the Soviet Union, awarded this title TWICE
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich April 28 2018 06: 49
        +1
        Quote: svp67
        You have the wrong information ...

        You're right. Meant the first Shot twice GSS
    9. faiver
      faiver April 29 2018 08: 09
      0
      Quote: Olgovich
      Wonderful, talented, beautiful Russian pilot.
      - Soviet pilot ....
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich April 29 2018 09: 55
        0
        Quote: faiver
        Quote: Olgovich
        Wonderful, talented, beautiful Russian pilot.
        - Soviet pilot ....


        From the biography: Leverage Pavel Vasilievich - was born on 2.01.1911 in the village of Nizhny Likhobory (now within the city of Moscow) in a peasant family. Russian. He graduated from n / high school. In the Soviet Army since 1928
        1. faiver
          faiver April 29 2018 18: 43
          0
          forest namesake, forest hi
  3. moskowit
    moskowit April 23 2018 06: 45
    +10
    Pavel Vasilievich was awarded 31 December 1936 year. Together with the Golden Star, he received the second Order of Lenin.

    The Gold Star Medal was established on 1 on August 1939 of the year ....
    1. Fitter65
      Fitter65 April 23 2018 12: 26
      +3
      Quote: moskowit
      Pavel Vasilievich was awarded 31 December 1936 year. Together with the Golden Star, he received the second Order of Lenin.

      The Gold Star Medal was established on 1 on August 1939 of the year ....

      Well, you must admit that for many commentators these are trifles that are not worthy of attention.
    2. bubalik
      bubalik April 23 2018 14: 41
      +1
      moskowit (Nikolai Ivanovich) Today, 07: 45
      Together with the "Golden Star" he received
      ,,, maybe the author meant the title (established from 16.04.1934), and not the insignia of the GSS?
    3. moskowit
      moskowit April 23 2018 20: 14
      +7
      Really no one noticed that in the last photo is not Pavel Rychagov! P. Rychagov was not twice a Hero!
      In the photo FIRST twice Hero of the Soviet Union Kravchenko Georgy Panteleevich !!!
      1. Alexander Greene
        Alexander Greene April 23 2018 22: 58
        +6
        Quote: moskowit
        Really no one noticed that in the last photo is not Pavel Rychagov! P. Rychagov was not twice a Hero!
        In the photo FIRST twice Hero of the Soviet Union Kravchenko Georgy Panteleevich !!!

        The cook urgently cooked from what fell under her hands.
      2. Fitter65
        Fitter65 April 24 2018 12: 52
        +2
        Quote: moskowit
        Really no one noticed that in the last photo is not Pavel Rychagov! P. Rychagov was not twice a Hero!

        It was urgent to give it to the press, deadlines were burning ...
  4. Humpty
    Humpty April 23 2018 07: 44
    +2
    You shouldn't have said so. Quietly said Stalin.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion April 23 2018 08: 23
      +5
      And he sent the lost People’s Commissar to study. The fierce was Vissarionich man. He is openly rude and dump his prof. unsuitability, and he only sends to study.
  5. EvilLion
    EvilLion April 23 2018 08: 20
    +5
    And this is the “innocently repressed” traitor responsible for much of what happened in the 41, which, as the People’s Commissar of the Air, that is, the Minister, told Vissarionych that they say that he was guilty of his incompetent Pashka Rychagova, which the devil knows what is going on in the ministry, and the accident rate goes off scale.

    Well, continue to ride, and until the recognition of Vlasov as a victim of the so-called. "we will reach the Stalinist repressions."
    1. tlauicol
      tlauicol April 23 2018 08: 41
      +3
      Vlasov is a traitor and his guilt is proved. But Leverage what to blame? The fact that he accepted the position and almost immediately told Stalin that "should not have said"? His ministry 900 aircraft crashed in a year - did all the Levers manage to do this?
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion April 23 2018 11: 00
        +2
        But Leverage at least that in his department people died, and he shifted the blame on Stalin. Well, in the 41th Air Force distinguished themselves so that little seemed. Or do you think that the plane is so simple that there is no possibility for wrecking and sabotage?
        1. tlauicol
          tlauicol April 23 2018 11: 04
          +2
          In two years, 1500 accidents and catastrophes occurred in his department. When did he receive it? and how much did he lead?
          to blame for telling the unpleasant truth to Himself!
          1. EvilLion
            EvilLion April 23 2018 11: 06
            +4
            Again. How did Stalin force someone to fly on coffins? Why is the minister of aviation blaming others instead of solving the problem?
            1. tlauicol
              tlauicol April 23 2018 11: 18
              +1
              blames the culprit (one of the culprits) precisely to solve the problem. His only fault is incontinence. And you also bring down on him the 41st and betrayal
      2. EvilLion
        EvilLion April 23 2018 11: 05
        +4
        The first 100 days are not asked from the minister. If a person has come, and there is a mess in the department, then he must fix this and outline measures for elimination. Otherwise, why did they put it at all.

        For some reason, we have no questions that in the case of a single resonant emergency, governors, and even ministers, are removed. And here, 900 planes are in ruins, and no one is to blame for anything. Except Vissarionych. Vissarinich - God!
        1. tlauicol
          tlauicol April 23 2018 11: 53
          0
          from February to April (deputy aviation commissar) how many days?
          900 aircraft last year - is it all Leverage?
      3. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA April 23 2018 15: 24
        +3
        Quote: Tlauicol
        But Leverage what to blame?

        First of all, in hiding the accident rate.
        1. tlauicol
          tlauicol April 23 2018 15: 33
          0
          shoot the bastard! but first torture!
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA April 23 2018 16: 09
            +3
            Quote: Tlauicol
            shoot the bastard! but first torture!

            Omni-non-gehenno, my friend, Omni-non-gehenno. But first, drink some tea!
        2. DimerVladimer
          DimerVladimer April 23 2018 16: 09
          +1
          Quote: Alexey RA
          First of all, in hiding the accident rate.


          You can be imprisoned for this, but for what?
          To demote and send to the post com aviation regiment.
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA April 23 2018 19: 52
            +3
            Quote: DimerVladimer
            You can be imprisoned for this, but for what?

            As I already wrote, it could play that Rychagov was a man from Stalin’s cage, his personal appointee. And it turns out that he was not deceiving the Central Committee, but personally the ITT. With predictable consequences.
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker April 23 2018 19: 55
              +3
              Quote: Alexey RA
              And it turns out that he was not deceiving the Central Committee, but personally the ITT. With predictable consequences.

              Judging by the time of the execution of the sentence, they were all “put together” on the death list after the investigation of the failure on the Western Front. Kopets guessed to stick the trunk without waiting for a logical and inglorious end.
            2. DimerVladimer
              DimerVladimer April 24 2018 08: 15
              +2
              Quote: Alexey RA
              As I already wrote, it could play that Rychagov was a man from Stalin’s cage, his personal appointee. And it turns out that he was not deceiving the Central Committee, but personally the ITT. With predictable consequences.


              It's time to get used to the fact that Russia is not a private shop of Stalin / Khrushchev / Brezhnev / etc.
              That even then the legislation nominally acted and the time of historical lawlessness to be considered as the lawlessness of those times - the triples is lawlessness. To shoot by a list signed by the Politburo or by the word “leader” is an extreme degree of lawlessness.
  6. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat April 23 2018 08: 36
    +2
    Oh, these "Stalinist" "falcons" - not only in aviation, they flew high and quickly and even faster fell back to sinful earth, flying into camp dust ..... They say that Stalin was given some kind of special perverted pleasure- quickly raise a person from "rags to riches" and watch him fall "to heaven", hell of being given opportunities, he begins to use these opportunities, "morally decompose", make mistakes, etc. Holding the man "up", the Leader dumped him back to the very bottom, to the guard and with pleasure, watched him writhe, creep in the mud .... He was a good leader, fair ....
    1. Looking for
      Looking for April 23 2018 12: 57
      +3
      They say .. And who says that? They say. In Moscow hens are milked.
    2. Weyland
      Weyland April 23 2018 14: 52
      +1
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      They say that Stalin was given some kind of special perverted pleasure — to quickly raise a person from “rags to riches” and watch how he, having got “to heaven”, ofigev from the opportunities that have opened, begins to use these opportunities, “morally decompose”, make mistakes, etc. .

      But what would these experiments cost the country - Stalin supposedly didn't care? I do not believe! If I were in the place of Stalin and I had such a perverted tendency - I would raise "from the dirt to riches" to some sort of tall, but not too responsible fast!
  7. KERMET
    KERMET April 23 2018 09: 15
    +3
    Quote: Olgovich
    Wonderful, talented, beautiful Russian pilot.
    I am sure that he would be one of the best aces of the Second World War.
    But, with the worst losses of pilots in 1941, this asa-... shot .... fool
    Как Shot and the FIRST double Hero of the SS ace Smushkevich...
    It’s impossible for a normal person to understand the logic of these crimes ... request

    What ace? At that time, he was in the general rank and position, he did not shoot down, but he would have to command
    1. tlauicol
      tlauicol April 23 2018 09: 33
      +1
      Are you also looking for an excuse for this execution?
  8. shuravi
    shuravi April 23 2018 09: 32
    +7
    Quote: Olgovich
    Wonderful, talented, beautiful Russian pilot.


    Not Russian, but Soviet.

    I am sure that he would be one of the best aces of the Second World War.


    To do this, he had to be demoted at least to the captain and put at the head of the link.
  9. shuravi
    shuravi April 23 2018 09: 35
    +5
    Quote: Tlauicol
    Vlasov is a traitor and his guilt is proved. But Leverage what to blame? The fact that he accepted the position and almost immediately told Stalin that "should not have said"? His ministry 900 aircraft crashed in a year - did all the Levers manage to do this?


    At a minimum, do not get to emotional cries, but provide a complete and detailed report on the causes of disasters.
    1. tlauicol
      tlauicol April 23 2018 09: 57
      0
      Quote: shuravi
      Quote: Tlauicol
      Vlasov is a traitor and his guilt is proved. But Leverage what to blame? The fact that he accepted the position and almost immediately told Stalin that "should not have said"? His ministry 900 aircraft crashed in a year - did all the Levers manage to do this?


      At a minimum, do not get to emotional cries, but provide a complete and detailed report on the causes of disasters.

      This is the highest measure! Torture and kill the villain!
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 23 2018 11: 15
      +3
      Quote: shuravi
      At a minimum, do not get to emotional cries, but provide a complete and detailed report on the causes of disasters.

      It’s easier to go to the Lubyanka right away. Because, judging by the well-known decision of the Central Committee, the reasons there were systemic.
      In addition, there were a number of extremely unpleasant questions to the top of the Air Force. For example, the reconstruction of the airfield network in 1940, when a mess in the planning and execution of work led to the disruption of all plans.
      Here are some excerpts from Reference 3 of the USSR NPO Directorate on the state of airfield construction:
      The construction of facilities in such districts as Odessa and Baltic was carried out without projects and estimates. The search for sites was carried out hastily by external signs without sufficient study. As a result, the selected sites in many cases turned out to be unsuitable for use at operational airfields and landing sites, and the district command was subsequently forced to abandon them, which led to the useless spending of state funds and the failure to fulfill the plan for the construction of facilities.
      The Vatulinsky airdrome, measuring 900x900 meters, is 5-6 km from the railway. There are no access roads to the airfield.
      The airfield of the village of Inyukno, 800x800 in size, cannot be expanded further.
      5 management of accurate data for planning building materials in the districts did not have, as a result of which their distribution was carried out by eye. So, for the month of October 1940 for the Air Force PribOVO at st. Riga had planned 40 wagons of cement, while according to the application only 12 wagons were required. With the urgent need for oil bitumen for the Odessa Military District 5, the department planned for October only 90 tons, while for the ZAPOVO, which did not require at all, it planned 95 tons.
      5, the department did not control the shipment of gas tanks in districts and irresponsibly distributed the shipment of gas tanks from plants in the districts, which in some cases led to unnecessary costs and delayed construction. So, it was planned to ship 14 tanks to the Svessky plant in OdVO, while the Tsnitmash plant directly in Odessa, according to the layout, shipped 89 tanks in ZakVO. In turn, Georgia has a factory for the production of gas tanks.
      Land plots for the construction of operational aerodromes are alienated according to the old standards - 144 hectares, i.e. 1200x1200, while the commissioning of new high-speed aviation requires an increase in the airfield to 1500x1500 plus an approach strip of 150 meters.
      In 1939, two hangars were brought to the Chernyshevsky Far East Fields and have not yet been assembled. In 1939, designs were brought to the Moninsky airfield, but so far the hangar has not been assembled. A similar situation in ORVO and Zapovo. Thus, dozens of structures are made and are in a state of mismanagement, while aircraft due to the lack of hangars in ZakVO and ArchVO rot.
      It should be noted that during the busy period of aerodrome construction in 1940, a number of senior officials of the 5th Directorate of the Main Directorate of the Air Force KA, headed by early management Filatov and ex. Commissioner, now deputy. Andreyenko’s offices were engaged in the construction of their own summer cottages, using their official position to obtain building materials and spending official time on this.
      1. DimerVladimer
        DimerVladimer April 23 2018 16: 14
        +1
        Quote: Alexey RA
        It should be noted that during the busy period of aerodrome construction in 1940, a number of senior officials of the 5th Directorate of the Main Directorate of the Air Force KA, headed by early management Filatov and ex. Commissioner, now deputy. Andreyenko’s offices were engaged in the construction of their own summer cottages, using their official position to obtain building materials and spending official time on this.


        Once again - not the opportunity to organize competent management of the ministry - not every pilot, even with the rank of general, is available.
        Remove from office, demote. Or do you think it is better to shoot everyone who does not cope?
  10. shuravi
    shuravi April 23 2018 10: 46
    +3
    Quote: Tlauicol

    This is the highest measure! Torture and kill the villain!


    If 900 aircraft are lost in a year and the question is how many flight personnel, then it’s quite.
    1. tlauicol
      tlauicol April 23 2018 11: 54
      0
      how much was he deputy aviation commissar? two month
    2. DimerVladimer
      DimerVladimer April 23 2018 16: 23
      +2
      Quote: shuravi
      If 900 aircraft are lost in a year and the question is how many flight personnel, then it’s quite.


      For failures of the material part too?
      Up to half of all air crashes - engine failures, breakage of control cables - even if in Spain there were cases of engine failures and the wing consoles were torn off.
      The rest: piloting in bad weather, losing orientation, air hooliganism, taking off during takeoff and landing (especially the I-16 was very difficult to take off and landing), the poor quality of airfields and airfield services (low-skilled mechanics) is not wrecking, it’s gouging and mismanagement.
      For this, demolish the maximum, for disruption - to plant. But to shoot - so you can stay without normal control.

      For 2 years, 2 Su-24 crashed - one could not refuel (fell on fuel production), the other of the fairing cone collapsed - both crews are intact - what about to shoot the unit commander?
      Are they also forced to fly on obsolete "coffins"?

      - On 01.01.1940/12540/1940 there were 24 combat aircraft in the western military districts, excluding long-range bomber aircraft. By the end of 6800, these numbers almost doubled to XNUMX thousand combat aircraft. The number of training aircraft only was brought to XNUMX

      Try, as with the double growth of the Air Force in a year, to avoid mass accidents.
  11. Curious
    Curious April 23 2018 10: 59
    +6
    Of the four articles in the History section, three from a historical point of view have zero value and serve solely to organize srach. To create these "works", the ability to poke into the keyboard with two fingers is enough and it is more or less difficult to retell the article from Wiki or a similar resource. Everything, the "product" is ready. The relevant public can express themselves.
  12. BAI
    BAI April 23 2018 11: 44
    +2
    At the end of May 1936 Senior Lieutenant Pavel Vasilievich awarded the Order of Lenin.

    Last name is where, okay.
    He received the rank of brigade commander. In the same 1938

    For 2 years from starling to brigade commander.
    Well, looking ahead:
    Kombrig - April 1938, divisional commander - February 9, 1939, commander - April 11, 1940, lieutenant general - summer 1940
    In 1940 year 29 years old He was appointed to the highest posts of the Air Force of the Red Army.
    From June 1940 of the year - Deputy Head of the Red Army Air Force, from July - 1-th Deputy GUVVS RKKA, from August 1940 (aged 29 years) appointed Head of the Main Directorate of the Air Force of the Red Army.
    From February to April 1941 - at the same time - Deputy People’s Commissar of Defense of the USSR for Aviation.

    The man was corny overloaded, he just physically could not cope with the post. But there is no such good job post. Maybe there would be a reserve of peacetime, he would be wiped out. But there was no time for gaining experience, but there was responsibility. Further - according to the laws of wartime. But why these laws were applied to some, but not to others - a question. And how legitimate was the application of these "laws" - also a big question.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 23 2018 11: 59
      +2
      Quote: BAI
      But there was no time for gaining experience, but there was responsibility. Further - according to the laws of wartime. But why these laws were applied to some, but not to others - a question. And how legitimate the application of these "laws" was - is also a big question.

      PMSM, here played the role that Rychagov was a man of Stalin. He was, so to speak, in trust with the IVS. And then it suddenly turns out that the trustee is lying. More precisely, it doesn’t lie at all, but hides uncomfortable facts. And I did not tolerate such an IVS.
      In the well-known Decree of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks and the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR "on accidents and catastrophes in aviation of the Red Army" Rychagov, among other things, was charged with just concealing and glossing over the facts of accidents and catastrophes:
      The laxity and indiscipline in aviation is not only not suppressed, but as it is encouraged by the leadership of the Air Force that the perpetrators of accidents and disasters remain, in fact, unpunished. The Air Force leadership often hides the facts of accidents and disasters from the Government, and when the Government discovers these facts, the Air Force leadership tries to cover up these facts, resorting in some cases to the help of the People’s Commissar of Defense. So it was, for example, with the disaster in Voronezh, in relation to which Comrade Rychagov was obliged and promised to send a report to the Central Committee of the CPSU (b), but did not fulfill this obligation and covered himself with the authority of the People’s Commissar of Defense, who, without understanding the case, signed the “explanation ”, Glossing over the whole thing.
      The same attempt by Comrade Rychagov to gloss over the lack of discipline and lack of discipline in the Air Force took place in connection with a severe disaster that occurred on January 23, 1941 during the flight of an air regiment from Novosibirsk via Semipalatinsk to Tashkent, when 3 aircraft crashed due to a gross violation of elementary flight rules, 2 aircraft crashed, with 12 killed and 4 injured by crew.
      In addition to Comrade Rychagov, the Government learned about the breakdown of discipline and the lack of proper order at the Borisoglebsk Aviation School.
      In addition to the Air Force, the Government also learned about violations of the Air Force’s decisions prohibiting skiing.
    2. aKtoR
      aKtoR April 23 2018 15: 10
      +1
      The man was just unlucky. The case of the aviators began to fade without even starting, but the intelligence report came directly from Hitler (25.5.41). After that, the fate of the leadership of the Air Force was sealed. Stalin did not forgive what he learned. About coffins is a beautiful invention
    3. Monarchist
      Monarchist April 23 2018 16: 56
      0
      BAI about this is what Simanov says in the book: Alive and Dead, but there is a fictional character in action and the author hints that Stalin is guilty of all matters
  13. mavrus
    mavrus April 23 2018 12: 04
    +1
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: Fitter65
    So who forced anyone to fly on coffins?

    The question is interesting ...
    Quote: Fitter65
    And after all, under many documents confirming one or another point of the tactical and technical requirements when creating new models of aircraft there was also the signature of the Air Force Commander-in-Chief.

    And how much SERIAL cars corresponded to REFERENCE standards and the Red Army Air Force High Command is also to blame for this?

    Who? Its representatives took these aircraft, which means that he did not organize the process of receiving serial machines. And who is to blame? You can, of course, blame the Politburo and Stalin for having made the mistake of placing him in this position, but they themselves understood this.
  14. shuravi
    shuravi April 23 2018 12: 10
    +3
    Quote: Alexey RA

    It’s easier to go to the Lubyanka right away. Because, judging by the well-known decision of the Central Committee, the reasons there were systemic.


    That's what the system is about.
    Like it or not, and even at that time, the main cause of accidents and catastrophes is the human factor. And the rear of the Air Force, this is generally an eternal problem.
  15. evgic
    evgic April 23 2018 12: 29
    +5
    According to the results of the Finnish company, it was revealed that aviation, especially bomber aircraft, was completely unprepared for hostilities. Fighter more or less on a level (for Finns). For clarity, a few examples.
    When requesting an airstrike on a village occupied by Finns, the Air Force command demanded a written order for the departure signed by the front aviation commander, after which they demanded that the troops be withdrawn 3 (!) Kilometers away. As a result, they didn’t get into the village.
    With the task in view, to disable the port of Helsinki, 150 bombs weighing 500 kg each were dropped on it. Not a single bomb hit the port. There was no opposition to enemy aircraft. Anti-aircraft cover is weak.
    In order for the planes to reach the target all the same and not to fly it is not clear where civilian pilots and navigators were called up for military service, who led them to the bombing.
    Tymoshenko, who commanded the troops in Finland, and then was appointed People's Commissar, was so furious with the actions of the aviation that he forbade him to assign officer ranks to pilots after school, they say they still know nothing.
    These are the conditions Rychagov claims that he is forced to fly on coffins when he was just appointed to improve the training of pilots and improve discipline. Of course, corporate solidarity is good, but to a certain extent. What characterizes him as a bold man, but to put it mildly not smart. You first show the result, and then criticize, not in any way. So for the removal of the reasons is already enough.
    Unfortunately, the results of the investigation in the Rychagov case are still not available, otherwise there would be less reason for discussion, but the fact that the commander of the Air Force of the Western Front shot himself on the third day of the war speaks volumes. Apparently there were sins on Rychagov too, the question is how big.
    But our planes were normal, we must be able to fly and use them correctly. Especially with the latter there were problems
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 23 2018 15: 42
      +4
      Quote: evgic
      When requesting an airstrike on a village occupied by Finns, the Air Force command demanded a written order for the departure signed by the front aviation commander, after which they demanded that the troops be withdrawn 3 (!) Kilometers away. As a result, they didn’t get into the village.

      Hehehehe ... apparently, the Air Force command had no illusions about the preparation of his l / s.
      In the same war, there was an even more egregious incident — twice egregious: on December 26, 1939, 3 DB-3 planes in the SMU lost their orientation, took the Gruzino station for Finnish, dropped 30 bombs on it, and missed all 30 times. smile
      Quote: evgic
      Tymoshenko, who commanded the troops in Finland, and then was appointed People's Commissar, was so furious with the actions of the aviation that he forbade him to assign officer ranks to pilots after school, they say they still know nothing.

      With the abolition of the assignment of officer ranks, it is not the Commissar. Several factors played a role here.
      First, an officer cost the state much more than a sergeant.
      Secondly, as the checks of 1940 showed, several hours were spent on collecting the alarm of officers living in apartments. Sergeants, unlike officers, were allowed to be placed in the barracks.
      Thirdly, the foreign experience of sworn friends showed that for a pilot an officer rank is not 100% necessary.
      Quote: evgic
      But our planes were normal, we must be able to fly and use them correctly.

      Strong red aircraft, but the motors will destroy it! smile Here is the situation at the beginning of 1940 - the results of the operation of the I16 and I-153 in real combat operations:
      “The M-62 motor requires fine-tuning, in particular withstanding elevated oil temperatures. It is noticed that if the inlet oil temperature plus 90 degrees Celsius was allowed in flight, the appearance of chips is ensured, and the fighter in an aerial battle can allow this. It is necessary to increase the reliability of the M-62. "

      Chief Engineer of the 7th Army Air Force 2nd level military engineer Koblikov
      Between January 12 and March 13, nineteen M-7 engines were replaced on the I-16 and I-153 aircraft in the 62th Army, all of which were damaged due to manufacturing defects! The most common of these were scoring of the main connecting rod bushings and the appearance of chips in the motor. For comparison, over the same period, M-25 engines were replaced by 29 units, despite the fact that the Air Force of the 7th Army had more vehicles with M-25 than with M-62. Moreover, out of this number, nine engines were replaced due to the depletion of the resource, and four more due to damage received from enemy fire. In total, 46 M-62 engines were out of order during the war in the NWF Air Force, of which only three were repaired by workshops, and another 65 were received from industry. None of the engines were removed due to running out of resources or due to enemy actions. The main reasons were illiterate operation and factory defects.
      © slon_76
      You probably know yourself about the Opupei with the M-88.
      1. DimerVladimer
        DimerVladimer April 23 2018 16: 49
        0
        Quote: Alexey RA
        You probably know yourself about the Opupei with the M-88.


        I agree - the main reasons for the loss of aircraft are poor-quality engines.
        High accident rate, is largely due to the complexity of take-off and landing on the I-16.
        case at a time when, when taking off from a wet grassy field of Tablad, the plane began to tumble to the left wing. I overturned the tendency to capsize, changing the engine operating mode. The plane tried three times to fall on the wing. I could take off only at high engine speeds, giving the right leg all the way. This time, “Rata” miraculously did not strike the ground with its right wing.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA April 23 2018 20: 03
          +2
          Quote: DimerVladimer
          I agree - the main reasons for the loss of aircraft are poor-quality engines.

          Not only - there were also violations of the rules of flight operations, charging a bloody fee:
          The leadership of the Air Force, as the facts show, not only does not fight for compliance with the rules of flight service, but sometimes it itself pushes the flight personnel to violate these rules. This was the case, for example, during the flight on March 27, 1941 of 12 DB-3F aircraft from the airport of Plant No. 18 in Voronezh to the 53rd Air Regiment (Krechevitsy), when Colonel V. Mironov, the head of the operational flights department of the Red Army Air Force Headquarters, despite obviously unfavorable weather, allowed the specified flight. As a result of this clearly criminal order, 2 disasters and one emergency landing occurred, in which 6 people died and 3 people were injured.
          (...)
          The same attempt by Comrade Rychagov to gloss over the lack of discipline and lack of discipline in the Air Force took place in connection with a severe disaster that occurred on January 23, 1941 during the flight of an air regiment from Novosibirsk via Semipalatinsk to Tashkent, when 3 aircraft crashed due to a gross violation of elementary flight rules, 2 aircraft crashed, with 12 killed and 4 injured by crew.
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    2. Monarchist
      Monarchist April 23 2018 16: 47
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      In general, I agree, but in details .. "the commander of the Air Force of the Western Front shoot himself on the third day of the war" The Western Front is a "separate song" and without Rychagov there was business "above the roof"
    3. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh April 23 2018 16: 48
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      "With the task at hand, disable the port of Helsinki
      150 bombs weighing 500 kg each were dropped on him "////

      But they hit the city center, spreading it overhaul from about 100
      killed civilians.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA April 24 2018 10: 52
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        Quote: voyaka uh
        "With the task at hand, disable the port of Helsinki
        150 bombs weighing 500 kg each were dropped on him "////

        But they hit the city center, spreading it overhaul from about 100
        killed civilians.

        Unfortunately, such "accuracy" was a common practice of the time. Even with the presence of the Norden and during the daytime bombing, some placed 3-5% of the dropped bombs within the territory of the oil refinery.
        And the port of Helsinki is located near the center of the city - so when entering from the sea all flights fall into the city blocks.
  16. pureacid
    pureacid April 23 2018 14: 57
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    Quote: Vard
    Unfortunately, this phenomenon has not yet been eliminated in Russia ... A good person in life is rare ... very rarely is a good leader ... like this ... not a hat for Senka ... And now for example ... we show the same Seluyanova ... and the musician and the charm ... and the hand reaches for the gun ...

    Exactly
    "Do not figure" - the statement is attributed to him. This is about reducing the training time for pilots and ... replacing the military rank of graduates from lieutenant to sergeant. I ended up an urgent sergeant. Commander of the BTR-60. But batr is a dumb tin can with two machine guns. And the plane is a completely different matter, but the sergeant commands it. What led to the first stage of the Second World War, the reduction in training time is known to everyone ((
    Although he is clearly a good person. Chkalov, for example, a bully and a busoter. For all sorts of Skoda sat and was twice fired from the Red Army.
    In general, dashing people were then))
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 23 2018 16: 22
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      Quote: pureacid
      I ended up an urgent sergeant. Commander of the BTR-60. But baiter is a dumb tin can with two machine guns. And the plane is a completely different matter, but the sergeant commands it.

      The BTR-60, by the standards of the 40s, is perhaps equivalent to an airplane. Some Shche-2, and with people on board. So your example shows that to control complex equipment it is not necessary to be an officer.
      Moreover, they became sergeants in aviation after a year of training.
      12. To establish in the future the following procedure for conferring military ranks after graduating from military aviation schools and schools:
      a) cadets of military aviation schools and schools of pilots and pilots after graduation from their one-year training term to graduate military pilots with the assignment of the military rank of "sergeant";
      b) cadets of the military aviation schools of observer pilots and schools of bombardier marksmen after they have completed a one-year period, admit training to shooter-bombers with the assignment of the military rank of sergeant;
      c) cadets of aviation technical schools and schools ... after the end of their one-year training period, graduate as mechanics with the assignment of the military rank of "sergeant of the technical service."
      © Order No. 0362 of December 22, 1940 "On changing the order of service for junior and middle commanding personnel of the Red Army Air Force."
      By the way, in Japan with approximately the same basic level of cadets it was considered quite normal to graduate future pilots without assigning officer ranks.
    2. Monarchist
      Monarchist April 23 2018 16: 37
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      "but in general, dashing people were then," and time was dashing too. Otherwise then it was not possible
  17. Whowhy
    Whowhy April 23 2018 15: 18
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    Then he climbed to 6000 - and here again 40, 7000 - another 40.

    Lies. fellow Kokinaki set a record for that time on the lightweight I-15 (removed everything that is possible, even the seat) - climbed to 6000m, without oxygen equipment.
  18. Monarchist
    Monarchist April 23 2018 16: 31
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    Quote: Tlauicol
    He was in office for less than a year, and, in fact, at the first meeting he posed the question with an edge. So the flying coffins are not his fault

    And whose: Stalin, Voroshilov or "Vanka-switchman"?
  19. shuravi
    shuravi April 23 2018 18: 05
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    Quote: DimerVladimer


    For failures of the material part too?


    So failures are different, some due to CIT, others are due to violations of the maintenance schedule.

    Up to half of all air crashes - engine failures, breakage of control cables - even if in Spain there were cases of engine failures and the wing consoles were torn off.
    The rest: this is piloting in bad weather, loss of orientation, air hooliganism, bonding during takeoff and landing (especially the I-16 was very difficult to take off and landing),


    The lion's share of accidents and disasters due to flight and technical personnel.

    the poor quality of airfields and airfield services (low qualifications of mechanics) is not wrecking, it is gouging and mismanagement.


    And how does one differ from the other?
  20. Alexander Greene
    Alexander Greene April 23 2018 22: 29
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    Why they shot Rychagov.
    Article minus, again re-singing old myths. The author does not even bother to check them, just reproduces.
    First, L.P. Beria has nothing to do with the arrest or the execution of Rychagov. By this time, the functions of the NKVD were divided, and Rychagov was arrested by the military counterintelligence, which was subordinate to the People’s Commissariat of Defense and in particular Tymoshenko and Zhukov, and the military tribunal tried them.
    Secondly. They shot him not for his boyish words that “they force us to fly on coffins” (by the way, there is no evidence that such words were uttered by Rychagov), and not even according to the results of a check of the commission of the People’s Commissariat of Defense, which revealed the complete unpreparedness of the USSR Air Force for the upcoming war , he was only removed from office.
    Tymoshenko and Zhukov reported that due to slackness in the Air Force, 2-3 planes die every day in accidents and catastrophes. In the incomplete 1st quarter of 1941 alone, there were 71 disasters and 156 accidents, with 141 people killed and 138 aircraft crashed, ”and from 600 to 900 aircraft crashed a year, but this was not the reason for the arrest.
    Rychagov was arrested after June 22, 1941, when it became known about the defeat of the aviation of the Belarusian Special Military District. Back in May, a commission was sent there, headed by Rychagov, with an order to check the readiness of the aircraft for military operations (supply of fuel, weapons, ammunition, dispersal, masking of aircraft). Leverage reported that everything is in order. And when the tragedy of June 22 occurred, he and others were arrested for deceit, which led to the tragedy, and of course put to the wall, along with Pavlov ..