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Rogozin: Bribery in the defense industry should be equated with treason

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Rogozin: Bribery in the defense industry should be equated with treasonDmitry Rogozin, in the rank of deputy prime minister, oversees the implementation of the state defense order and, as a result, is responsible in the Russian government for modernization in the army, not so long ago made a proposal to equate a bribe in the defense industry to treason.

The initiative was adopted with the co-authorship of the Chairman of the Duma Committee on Security and Anti-Corruption - Irina Yarovaya. The bill proposed to punish bribe takers in the MIC not only with a hundred-fold bribe with fines, but also 15 years of imprisonment (maximum term). In other words, an official of the Ministry of Defense 10 took millions of rubles in the form of a so-called “kickback” - arrest, court, colony and a fine of 1 billion rubles. Such measures, it would seem, could really convincingly act on those officials and persons involved in the defense industry (MIC), who could not refuse themselves in receiving bribes.

However, the initiative of Dmitry Rogozin and Irina Spring sank at the stage of consideration in the most fair Russian judicial system in the world. First, the Ministry of Justice of the Russian Federation spotted in the initiatives of the vice-premier and deputy violation of the principle of equality of all Russians before the law. Then, the Supreme Court supported the Ministry of Justice of the Russian Federation and stated that it does not yet have statistics that would confirm the need for such severe punishment. They say that the articles of the Criminal Code on accepting bribes and commercial bribery, and so well stand guard over the defense industry from various kinds of corrupt officials ...

It should be recalled that the article, for example, with the number 204 (the same commercial bribery), in principle, promises considerable punishment, but in the framework of "either - or": in paragraph 2 of the article (illegal transfer of money, management documents, property, securities etc. by a group of persons by prior agreement) the punishment may reach the 70-multiple of the penalty amount of bribing or 6-years of stay in places not so remote. Article 290 (about bribe-takers): again, either a multiple penalty or a prison sentence.

In other words, the same unclean official of the Ministry of Defense can get a prison sentence for a multi-million dollar, or even a billionth bribe, and without any problems go free with a “clear conscience” by parole after some six months. And the money they received for the fact that a certain contract for the implementation of the State Defense Order remained on paper, during which time they would have managed to roll through a series of dummy firms. In general, even a three-year ban on occupying certain senior positions would have had a significant effect on this hypothetical bribe taker from the DIC.

In this regard, the decisions of the Ministry of Justice and the Supreme Court look, to put it mildly, too loyal to corrupt officials in the field of national security.

By the way, the idea of ​​equating corruption in the sphere of national security with treason against the Motherland was also expressed by Vladimir Putin in one of his programmatic articles. It turns out that either the judicial system in Russia became overly independent overnight, which most Russians could only dream of, or the matter is smoothly moving to a new descent of initiatives “from above” on smooth brakes, or the defense industry complex has nothing to do with the country's national security ...

With all due respect to the judicial system in our country, it is hard to believe that this system suddenly took care of the equality of all Russian citizens before the law ... And despite the fact that over the past year, the Main Military Prosecutor's Office revealed 2011 bribe episodes over the past year. What statistics are needed for the Supreme Court ?!

According to the results of inspections of responsible persons by the Federal Service for the Execution of the State Defense Order for 2011, theft of funds for an astronomical sum of 25 billion rubles was discovered. This, not a lot, is not enough, the cost of one of the most up-to-date nuclear submarine missile carriers (Borey class), orders for which, by the way, have not yet been concluded for the 2012 year. In other words, from the 5-6 "Boreev" one annually goes into the pockets of various officials who put their signatures on contracts with suppliers.

But if the initiative of a more severe punishment for those who steal defense money from the Russian army was, let's say, ignored, then what political or financial strength could this be beneficial for? Apparently, there are quite a few such people “interested in the equality of all Russians before the law”. And equality, by and large, today is that for the stolen "Borey" and for a bag of sugar, according to our laws, it is quite possible to get the same prison terms. And in the case of the missile carrier, it is possible to get off with a fine in general ... Moreover, the one who "cuts" the budget for the purchase of new military equipment, in which case, the person who took that very bag of sugar from the warehouse will be released ...

Obviously, with the current system of administration of judicial proceedings, corrupt officials from the defense industry, as well as bribe-takers from other business areas, need not worry about anything for a long time. Oh, they will always find a fine than to pay - what a big pocket! ..
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  1. Vanek
    Vanek 3 May 2012 08: 01
    +53
    Rogozin: Bribery in the defense industry should be equated with treason

    REALLY. REACHED THE END.
    1. Dmitriy69
      Dmitriy69 3 May 2012 08: 06
      +57
      Is equality before the law violated?
      Then apply this measure of influence to all bribe takers without exception! am
      1. Sniper 1968
        Sniper 1968 3 May 2012 08: 22
        +26
        Dmitriy69,
        Quote: Dmitriy69
        Then apply this measure of influence to all bribe-takers without exception

        Golden words! And you need to start with the Cabinet Komodovich Stulov! sad sad sad "A thief should sit in jail." yes recourse recourse
        1. domokl
          domokl 3 May 2012 09: 02
          +23
          Rogozin, at the suggestion of Putin, stepped on a very calloused callus ... If we cannot fight against thieves in law, then it will be even more difficult with thieves protecting the law ... And it’s more dangerous ...
          When the bribe taker is detrimental to the country's defense, then that very betrayal appears .. But it will be extremely difficult to prove such actions ... It is necessary to take on the other hand, from property and bank accounts .. Then everything will fall into place quickly ... There are doubts in the origin of at least a tiny amount, drive and start a business ...
          Only in this way and the deadlines, to the eyeballs, with confiscation ...
          1. dan-frya
            dan-frya 6 May 2012 14: 11
            0
            Apparently it will be necessary to put the "COMRADE" judges first.
        2. Winter
          Winter 3 May 2012 09: 24
          +21
          If Putin wants to make a change, he can do it by presidential decree. The Duma is shaking, but ratifying !!! Apparently all of these Rogozin statements are probing the soil! ..
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 3 May 2012 09: 30
            +9
            Vinter!
            Vi v na4ale pravilno napisali !!
            ne soglasen pro zondaj !!
            Zachem Putinu zondirovat 4to to i eshe i rukami Rogozina ???
            Dlya borbi s korrupciey i vzyatni4estvom dostato4no politi4eskoy voli Putina b ego priblejenix !!
            Vi pravi Duma budet po lyubomu za-nikuda ne denutsa !!
          2. domokl
            domokl 3 May 2012 09: 48
            +12
            Quote: Winter
            these Rogozin statements are sounding the soil! ..
            Rather a warning, I’m coming to you ...
        3. Goga
          Goga 3 May 2012 16: 21
          +5
          Sniper 1968 - A colleague, this gooseblock has long been waiting for a place under the bunks angry
          1. Sniper 1968
            Sniper 1968 3 May 2012 22: 54
            +2
            Goga,
            Igor, what do you think: will he leave for "demobilization" after May 7? Good luck, old man.
            1. Goga
              Goga 4 May 2012 21: 23
              +1
              Sniper 1968 - Sergey, God knows what is in the plans of our leadership, but the fact that almost the whole country, let’s say so, is bad for the heart of the leadership knows. People massively supported the power in the elections, and it would be extremely foolish to disappoint them by leaving a heart in the same chair. BB can be blamed for anything, but not stupidity. So I think, at least for these reasons, this miracle (in the letter M) will be dropped from the seat of the Moscow Region.
        4. Andriuha077
          Andriuha077 5 May 2012 17: 39
          0
          Quite right, to all without exception.
          As they say, at this difficult time,
          investigate the receipt of a bribe without limitation,
          in total over 1 million rubles - the highest measure.
      2. Krilion
        Krilion 3 May 2012 09: 18
        +6
        Quote: Dmitriy69
        Then apply this measure of influence to all bribe takers without exception!


        since the fact of the total corruption defeat of the entire state machine has not been disputed by anyone for a long time, the toughening of punishment for bribes, of course, cannot depend on the place in the structure of the economy ... but in general, if necessary, the State Duma, as a legislative body, can adopt any punitive law regarding corrupt officials without regard to the opinion of the supreme court ... there would be a desire ... it seems that now there is no such desire, because Rogozin is still waving his saber alone ...
      3. танк
        танк 3 May 2012 09: 26
        +10
        That's right !! But this will not happen. As there will be no tax on luxury, they all have 350-390 horses, and they set a threshold of 410 horses, also here smile they’re not fools
        1. zevs379
          zevs379 3 May 2012 11: 36
          +11
          Remember how legislators "fought" against pedophilia - the same will happen with bribes in the military-industrial complex!
          Filth !!! angry
      4. Mip90
        Mip90 3 May 2012 22: 14
        0
        I agree!
    2. esaul
      esaul 3 May 2012 08: 08
      +14
      Quote: Vanek
      REALLY. REACHED THE END.

      Ivan, greetings. Yes to Rogozin, I think it has come a long time ago! Now it is necessary to make it so that the legislators get it and they "gave birth" to the corresponding legal acts. And this, possibly, will happen after the inauguration ... God grant!
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 3 May 2012 08: 10
        +29
        Good morning, colleagues![i] According to the results of inspections of responsible persons by the Federal Service for the Execution of Civil Defense for the 2011 year, embezzlements worth an astronomical amount of 25 billion rubles were discovered. This is, not less than a little, the cost of one of the ultra-modern nuclear submarine missile carriers (Borey class), orders for which, incidentally, have not yet been concluded for the 2012 year Well, what else can we talk about, is this not a betrayal of the motherland? Landing can’t fix such chaos, definitely shoot!
        1. esaul
          esaul 3 May 2012 08: 28
          +17
          Quote: Tersky
          shoot unambiguously

          Victor, greetings, friend and share emotions, but what's so not rational? How much useful can be extracted from these hoopoes by sending them to the All-Russian construction sites or mines! There are not enough working hands anyway, but here - "pzhalte pzhalusta" - work for the gruel. And the screeching from behind the mound - through the filter. No democratic dog barks to the Chinese for the death penalty, why should we be afraid?
          1. KamikadZzzE
            KamikadZzzE 3 May 2012 09: 55
            +7
            Definitely in Siberia, you look at her mother mastered.
            1. танк
              танк 3 May 2012 17: 39
              +2
              And who then will work there ??? bribes are distributed everywhere, this is not a gang of 15 people, this is a whole state system passed on to us by inheritance from the USSR.

              And you think they are needed there in Siberia? Moreover, the president said they shouldn’t put such money, if he could steal that kind of money, then there’s a brain, and if there is, then it’s useful in another position, is it logical? Moreover, they’re not fired in such structures, but transferred
          2. St Petrov
            St Petrov 3 May 2012 11: 33
            +7
            democratizers adequately apply the death penalty.

            just ask for Texas)
        2. domokl
          domokl 3 May 2012 09: 05
          +10
          Hello hello .. Emotions .. Theft was discovered, but there are no looters .. No further colonel level can be found ... Nobody has canceled the untouchables yet ... Cruel punishment is only for the lower classes, the rest will give accusatory speeches ...
          How many excellent officers and generals have left because of their long tongue?
          1. Winter
            Winter 3 May 2012 09: 28
            +17
            It's time to change the caste. "Untouchables" - it certainly sounds menacing, but if you look closely at the personalities - shantrap on shantrap!
          2. Tersky
            Tersky 3 May 2012 10: 01
            +12
            esaul, domokl Greetings colleagues! Let’s trample emotions over the edge, if the amount equivalent to the cost of nuclear submarines is annually spent, what kind of defense can be talked about. Kolyma should be the same for everyone, regardless of rank and rank, I don’t know, personally this liberalism has already got me.
        3. Goga
          Goga 3 May 2012 16: 33
          +6
          Tersky - Good afternoon Victor, I completely agree - no howls of carvers and other padd can justify the abolition of the death penalty.
          All this presumptuous abomination is not needed either on "all-Russian construction sites" or even more so to us in Siberia. Only destruction, or WE are THEIR, or THEY are our Country. And here, the judges who have stolen no less than the defense industry are not the last in line "for the distribution" so they cover the "colleagues" in theft - they understand: they will "clean up" the defense industry - they (the judges) are next in line to "clean up", what is there to be surprised angry
          1. Vadim555
            Vadim555 3 May 2012 16: 56
            +3
            Quote: Gogh
            the judges are not the last in line "for distribution", so they cover their "colleagues" in theft - they understand: they will "clean up" the defense industry - they (the judges) are next in line to "clean up", why be surprised


            Good afternoon, Igor.
            In my opinion, you yourself answered the question. And if you really start with the "judges", then not only the "defense workers" will shudder, but the common people will breathe more freely.
            PS.A for corruption -gallows
            1. Goga
              Goga 3 May 2012 17: 12
              +3
              Vadim555 - Good afternoon Vadim, Yes, I’m only FOR, from the judges so from the judges, really then it will go further faster.
              But about the gallows - you can use our historical experience - to the count! In order not immediately, so that there was time to think about why I took it, again for others a visual aid ... bully
              1. Vadim555
                Vadim555 3 May 2012 17: 42
                +3
                Quote: Gogh
                You can use our historical experience - to count


                I won’t argue for a long time, on count, so on count laughing
                I think "visibility" will not change.
      2. YARY
        YARY 3 May 2012 08: 20
        +15
        Good day Valery
        And so that the fat lawmakers-bribe-takers did not think to "ride" this matter, WE must not be silent! Monitor this matter everywhere and "yell in the ears" as Telman said.


        bully angry Dima give!!! angry bully

        That's where my suggestion is-the taking of the oath by all officials of the military-industrial complex-MO and GLAVNOE; transfer of both departments to the legal state of "martial law", and under it other laws are in forceit would be worth its weight in gold! angry
        1. esaul
          esaul 3 May 2012 08: 51
          +14
          Quote: Ardent
          - taking the oath by all officials of the military-industrial complex-MO

          Salute, friend! I like this production - I like it! good
        2. domokl
          domokl 3 May 2012 09: 08
          +9
          bully
          Quote: Ardent
          taking oath by all officials of the military-industrial complex-MO
          My dear, you treat treasury as honest people ... The oath is sacred only for people of honor, to whom this category does not apply ...
          Only the confiscation of all property and personal and property of relatives and landing for long periods ...
          1. YARY
            YARY 3 May 2012 13: 53
            +4
            Good afternoon Alexander!
            You apparently do not see the difference but, it is colossal.Taking the oath in a department in "civilian life" is one thing. But it is quite another to take the oath "in wartime" - this is the main idea! There are no courts and no "porridge on the ceiling"! Or right or - wall!
            Here is such a legal subtlety.
            angry
        3. Neighbor
          Neighbor 3 May 2012 17: 03
          0
          Quote: Ardent
          That's where my proposal is - taking the oath of allegiance by all officials of the military-industrial complex-MO and MAIN; the transfer of both departments to the legal state of "martial law", and under it other laws are in force, it would be worth its weight in gold!

          Golden words - so that - if anything - the military TRIBUNAL will judge them !!!
          But in general - I'm sure - after a year - a maximum of 2 - we will all forget - what does it mean - theft in the military-industrial complex. I am sure of this - 99,99% !!!
          For - Russia - after chaos and devastation - is following the right path - along the path of rebirth and creation! And under the Sensitive - Leadership!
          For Russia!!!! drinks
      3. Vanek
        Vanek 3 May 2012 08: 22
        +8
        Greetings, Valery.

        Quote: esaul
        to reach legislators


        Yes, as fast as possible. And indeed, God forbid that after 07.05.

        I offer them (such traitors), to us, here, to Siberia. About 25 years. We have enough taiga for everyone. Loot sawing? Sawing. Let the pines fall. And not a chainsaw, but a hacksaw for metal. How else?
        1. domokl
          domokl 3 May 2012 09: 10
          +5
          Quote: Vanek
          I offer them (such traitors), to us, here, to Siberia. Years at 25.
          he has not mastered the north .. Let coal be mined in the tundra and oil ...
        2. Tersky
          Tersky 3 May 2012 10: 58
          +6
          Quote: Vanek
          And not a chainsaw, but a hacksaw for metal. How else?

          The hacksaw for metal will be too progressive for rats, the jigsaw for a circle of children's creativity just right wink
          1. Ustas
            Ustas 3 May 2012 13: 49
            +1
            The hacksaw for metal will be too progressive for rats, the jigsaw for a circle of children's creativity just right

            And a plan of cubes 120 per day from the nose
      4. Indigo
        Indigo 3 May 2012 11: 04
        +5
        And as for me, the root of the issue lies in the system of advanced capitalism itself, and those who pushed this capitalism, knew what they were doing .. they shook the owls well. industry, and now they are cutting the budget. their darkness they are unsinkable, in their place there is a line of "advanced managers". To kill this infection is possible only by changing the social formation and why the director of the state. enterprises can not be an effective public manager?
      5. танк
        танк 3 May 2012 17: 34
        0
        This is only possible in another country, do not make people laugh smile
    3. Dimitrxnumx
      Dimitrxnumx 3 May 2012 08: 08
      +22
      However, the initiative of Dmitry Rogozin and Irina Yarovoy drowned at the stage of consideration in the fairest Russian judicial system in the world
      - Look how scared the emperors are! In general, to all who impede the entry into force of this law, equate to treason!
      1. domokl
        domokl 3 May 2012 09: 13
        +3
        Quote: Dimitr77
        - Look how scared the emperors are! In general, to all who impede the entry into force of this law, equate to treason!
        Yes, they weren’t afraid. They simply warned that everyone would be in big trouble ... How can such a law pass in the Duma where parliamentary seats are simply bought and no one even hides it ... But financial opportunities and power are in the hands of such embezzlers is really dangerous ...
        There are a lot of scumbags in the country, it’s easy to buy weapons ... While we are liberal, they can really muddle the shooting ...
      2. Esso
        Esso 3 May 2012 13: 22
        +2
        In a corrupt government, there can be no victory over corruption!
    4. FREGATENKAPITAN
      FREGATENKAPITAN 3 May 2012 08: 21
      +8
      Probably it got there ...... only our country is interesting ...... right away the so-called "human rights" movement will rise, scream, sprinkle with saliva, how can we have three thousand theft for three years, and three billion - a martyr of conscience ...
      This is where we should first of all pay attention to the fifth column in Russia ....
      And Dmitry Rogozin is right, as always ...... would give him more authority ....
      1. Ziksura
        Ziksura 3 May 2012 08: 43
        +7
        Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
        for three billion - a martyr of conscience

        Indeed, martyrs of conscience. They tortured their conscience so that she was afraid to utter a scream.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 3 May 2012 08: 56
          +13
          Valera, Vanya, good afternoon, until they cancel the inviolability of the shift. Lawyers, judges, deputies of all stripes, all are inviolable. The law should be the same for everyone! Otherwise, even the hype in the media will not help. Remember the drunk judge who ditched the family, even the rights were not taken away.
          1. esaul
            esaul 3 May 2012 14: 14
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            until the immunity is canceled there will be no shift.

            ... and inevitability, as Viktor (Tersky) noted.
      2. OSTAP BENDER
        OSTAP BENDER 3 May 2012 11: 00
        +3
        Social activists are the State Department mongrel, with them it is necessary as with terrorists, and traitors to the homeland, otherwise there will be no sense!
        1. esaul
          esaul 3 May 2012 14: 18
          -2
          Quote: OSTAP BENDER
          Social activists are the State Department mongrel, with them it is necessary as with terrorists, and traitors to the homeland, otherwise there will be no sense!

          OSTAP, welcome. It is amazing how our "human rights activists" have transformed from people called upon to defend the rights of people from state lawlessness, into primitive, venal talkers who bark at everything Russian! Such a correct and noble word was perverted ... fool
      3. esaul
        esaul 3 May 2012 14: 12
        0
        Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
        right away the so-called "human rights" movement will rise, howl, sprinkle with saliva, what about three thousand theft for three years, and for three billion - a martyr of conscience ...
        This is where we should first of all pay attention to the fifth column in Russia ....

        Igor, welcome. Human rights activists begin to lubricate their skis right after the day of the inauguration. Infa has passed that the committee on de-Stalinization, in connection with the arrival of "to the kingdom" of Putin, are beginning to leave the rat-human rights activists. So they are now concerned about keeping their asses safe.
    5. vozn_ser
      vozn_ser 3 May 2012 09: 42
      +9
      Quote: Vanek
      REALLY. ENDED TO THE END


      Without DEATH PENALTY FOR CHANGE OF MOTHERLAND - Rozosin's offer - DEFECTIVE !!! am am am
      1. 755962
        755962 3 May 2012 10: 45
        +2
        some media have already announced that after Putin’s inauguration a special anti-corruption body will be created, comparable in scale to the FSB or the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
    6. Patriot of Russia
      Patriot of Russia 3 May 2012 10: 46
      +4
      concussion. all there in one cheerful gang and will not be allowed to drown each other.
      1. Vanek
        Vanek 3 May 2012 10: 59
        +1
        Quote: Patriot of Russia
        concussion. all there in one cheerful gang and will not be allowed to drown each other.


        Is "Socrates" your real name?
    7. Civil
      Civil 3 May 2012 12: 25
      +1
      it's time to decide something and remove people
    8. Antipin
      Antipin 3 May 2012 14: 56
      0
      Gold words,
      They must get the law! 1!
    9. vylvyn
      vylvyn 4 May 2012 04: 59
      -1
      Got it, but what's the point?
      We read a quote from the article - "However, the initiative of Dmitry Rogozin and Irina Yarovaya drowned at the stage of consideration in the fairest Russian judicial system in the world. First, the Ministry of Justice of the Russian Federation noticed in the initiatives of the Deputy Prime Minister and the deputy a violation of the principle of equality of all Russians before the law. Then the Supreme the court supported the Ministry of Justice of the Russian Federation and stated that it did not yet have statistics that would confirm the need to introduce such a severe punishment. "
  2. Prophet Alyosha
    Prophet Alyosha 3 May 2012 08: 02
    +15
    I agree. I’ll say more, a bribe in any sphere of society’s life is treason to the Motherland. The difference is only in the scale of treason.
    1. Ion coaelung
      Ion coaelung 3 May 2012 10: 21
      +4
      And the punishment must correspond to the status of a traitor !!! And for the defense industry - for life !!!! The fate of all citizens and non-citizens living in Russia depends on it !!!
      1. 755962
        755962 3 May 2012 12: 03
        0
        The Ministry of Justice refused to recognize bribery in the defense industry complex
        The Russian Ministry of Justice has refused to support a bill that would toughen the punishment for bribery in the defense industry, the Izvestia newspaper writes. The document, developed by the Duma Committee on Security and Anti-Corruption, provides for a punishment of imprisonment for 15 years and a hundredfold fine from the amount of a bribe. According to the conclusion of the Ministry of Justice, a bribe in the defense industry does not differ from a general civil bribe.
  3. Dmitriy69
    Dmitriy69 3 May 2012 08: 04
    +2
    Is equality before the law violated?
    Then apply this measure of influence to all bribe takers without exception! am
    1. esaul
      esaul 3 May 2012 08: 09
      +14
      Prophet Alyosha I’ll say more, a bribe in any area of ​​society’s life is treason to the Motherland. The difference is only in the scale of treason


      Dmitriy Then apply this measure of influence to all bribe-takers without exception


      Greetings, support and join! am
      1. sergo0000
        sergo0000 3 May 2012 08: 21
        +9
        esaul,
        Greetings to Valery, Dmitry, Tersky! How do you want to believe that something will change after May 7! How tired of these traitors-ka3nokrada! am
        1. esaul
          esaul 3 May 2012 08: 56
          +2
          Quote: sergo0000
          How tired of these traitors are!

          Seryozha, salute! Yes, a lot of people are waiting for this and Putin’s allies will increase when he starts to press this pack of thieves to his nail.
          Along the way, such a job is already being done. it’s only poorly covered - take a look at how many resignations in the last two months have followed! And not ordinary bureaucrats, but at the level of the governor’s corps.
          1. Cadet787
            Cadet787 3 May 2012 10: 55
            +2
            Hello dear Valery. I agree that if the GDP leads the fight, not in words but in action, it will gain even more its supporters. Bribery is a form of corruption, and as one of the classics said, corruption will destroy this country, that is, this infection threatens the existence of our state and if it is not declared a battle, Russia may disappear from the world map.
            1. esaul
              esaul 3 May 2012 11: 17
              +4
              Cadet787,
              Greetings, George friend. What unanimity is a sight for sore eyes! So such moods must find a response at the top. And, God forbid, that rot at the top should be eradicated. It was infa that Medvedev demanded a declaration of expenses from the security forces. It’s the same - a bell that the cleaning threatens thoroughly.
          2. rate 60
            rate 60 4 May 2012 02: 34
            +1
            esaul but how do you like this video http://mironovboris.livejournal.com/16623.html
      2. domokl
        domokl 3 May 2012 09: 16
        +7
        They will shoot the maximum director of the plant ... wink And the treasury will be pulled much higher ... It is necessary to cut off economically hands so that they know that theft is the path to poverty and to the bunkers for the rest of their life .. Their wealth is just enough to maintain such colonies for life in the far north
  4. bubla5
    bubla5 3 May 2012 08: 14
    +14
    While in Russia there will be a hell of how many different venal and smelly vessels, only one Ignatenko and such similar amoebas will turn around, nothing will change, to shoot - here he is the best way against total theft and espionage
  5. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 3 May 2012 08: 15
    +21
    Equality of citizens before the law ... There is no need for equality, the principle should be one - the higher the position, the more severe the punishment
  6. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 3 May 2012 08: 25
    +5
    Rogozin's initiative is correct, but it is drowning in the bureaucratic vestments of the government. Laws will not be enacted in such cases. The only solution in this case is for the president to support this initiative while controlling his progress and implementation! And if you act by conventional methods, then all initiatives will be inhibited on the way to the State Duma!
  7. Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 3 May 2012 08: 28
    +4
    Indeed, Rogozin is right. good
    It doesn’t work out for good, you have to break it on the knee. am
  8. ANTURAG
    ANTURAG 3 May 2012 08: 29
    +4
    "The Ministry of Justice of the Russian Federation said that it does not yet have statistics that would confirm the need to introduce such a severe punishment."

    At least a strange statement. They probably share)
  9. altman
    altman 3 May 2012 08: 29
    +5
    A couple of days ago there was information that the Justice Ministry did not want to equate ... and so sorry !! Indeed, the undermining of defense is the most natural betrayal of the state !! including every citizen !!
  10. Sniper 1968
    Sniper 1968 3 May 2012 08: 29
    +7
    The inevitability of punishment. This is not a deterrent today for seasoned grabbers. They know: EVERYTHING will get away with it. It is necessary to change the situation. These two-deceivers are worse than the enemy ... belay belay belay sad sad
  11. Uralm
    Uralm 3 May 2012 08: 31
    +9
    Bribery is a brake on Russia in all spheres. As for the defense of the country, this is especially true, it is necessary to hang such "defenders" of the Fatherland on lanterns.
  12. Armata
    Armata 3 May 2012 08: 40
    +9
    It is necessary to introduce the death penalty unambiguously, and just as in China they caught 10 drug dealers, brought them to the square, shot them and showed them on TV. We need to introduce the same thing so that 10 is executed, and the rest are obstructed, maybe fear will finally break the ridge of the bribe takers.
  13. Ivan
    Ivan 3 May 2012 08: 44
    +7
    The betrayal of the Motherland is a shooting and a point. No blah blah blah.
  14. Ascetic
    Ascetic 3 May 2012 08: 45
    +15
    In this statement, Rogozin sees a subtle hint of fat circumstances for MO officials, regardless of whether there is such a law or not (most likely legally it is impossible) that the country's leadership will now consider corruption in the military-industrial complex as a betrayal of the Motherland with corresponding conclusions. so that this is true.
  15. Sarus
    Sarus 3 May 2012 08: 55
    +5
    Dmitry is a huge plus for the initiative ..
    And for those who stopped this is a huge minus ...
    someone is still very, very interested in leaving everything as it is ...
    1. Armata
      Armata 3 May 2012 09: 05
      +10
      Quote: Sarus
      someone is still very, very interested in leaving everything as it is ...

      We even know their names. I work in KB for P / I. At the beginning of the year, a letter came from the mines of defense that for NEW DEVELOPMENTS we are allocated 40 000 000 rubles for the year. (a little of course, but everything is uphill) and for the release of products order 130 000 000 rub. Recently, an order came signed by our sawdust Minister of War that cuts the budget for new developments by 30% and production costs by 15%. The question is who in our country is the main traitor to the Motherland and where did the money that was laid down in the budget at the state level go?
  16. shaman012
    shaman012 3 May 2012 09: 04
    +3
    No, it is necessary to bring this case under treason, and, accordingly, the term - for life. It is a pity that there is no death penalty. But - LIFE! I think that fines are not necessary, it will work without a doubt! But here a vital question for Russia arises: WHO ARE THE JUDGES? And here it is necessary to correct something in the conservatory ....
  17. patriot2
    patriot2 3 May 2012 09: 11
    +6
    Article +
    Always at all times in Russia "for treason" was applied the most severe punishment, and the theft of money for the country's defense should be called just that.
    D. Rogozin is right as never before, but the rights of the traitor to the Motherland are the same - get the highest measure and let everyone know who and for what! angry
  18. Manager
    Manager 3 May 2012 09: 28
    +4
    WELL DONE! HERE BEAUTIFUL! My opinion is direct! It is high time! More so many sound decisions! And not only in the Army but also in politics!
    The article is a huge plus! if only now they were not just words! drinks angry
  19. vladimir70
    vladimir70 3 May 2012 09: 33
    +1
    The existing system - the executive, legislative and judicial authorities protects itself and does not give up "its own" .... as a result, some are furious with fat, and the rest survive who will survive. And we are Slavs less and less ...
  20. schta
    schta 3 May 2012 09: 34
    +4
    So I was thinking what ..... there was such a good man Mikhail Evdokimov ....
    Although if Rogozin says so (and starts acting), then he has:
    1) crowbar in the sleeve
    2) The letter of protection of the king
  21. vozn_ser
    vozn_ser 3 May 2012 09: 37
    +4
    Bribery in the defense industry should be equated with treason


    In addition to treason, you need to introduce - DEATH PENALTY !!! am
  22. maestro123
    maestro123 3 May 2012 09: 44
    +2
    And for the theft of military equipment, fuel and lubricants and other property!
    1. Manager
      Manager 3 May 2012 15: 42
      -1
      The way it is)!
  23. _Igor_
    _Igor_ 3 May 2012 09: 47
    +2
    Quote: Tersky
    Offline
    Tersky (2) RU Today, 08:10 a new
    - 4 +
    Good morning, colleagues! According to the results of inspections of responsible persons by the Federal Service for the Execution of Public Defense Orders for 2011, embezzlements worth an astronomical amount of 25 billion rubles were discovered. This, not less than a lot, is the cost of one of the ultra-modern nuclear submarine missile carriers (Borey class), orders for which, by the way, are still not concluded for 2012. Well, what else can I say, is this not a betrayal of the Motherland? Landing can’t fix such a mess, definitely shoot!

    in principle, this is a sabotage committed by a group of persons by prior conspiracy (which is an aggravating circumstance), the result of which was the destruction of the Borey class nuclear submarine carrier

    Quote: Prophet Alyosha
    I agree. I’ll say more, a bribe in any sphere of society’s life is treason to the Motherland. The difference is only in the scale of treason.

    a bribe it is a bribe that GAETS is driving and driving into the crowd at the next intersection, that the doctor is being treated, the teacher is being taught and not crippled that it cripples society and is definitely a crime against the country
    it is necessary to punish the one who takes and the one who gives and the bosses of the bribe taker

    a similar law will not pass because everyone is afraid that they will The following, and the level of corruption in these departments is not a secret, and do not forget how much feeds from this ((((
  24. Shumer
    Shumer 3 May 2012 09: 49
    +2
    Corruption has become an integral part of our life (you were born - gave a bribe, died - again gave a bribe wink ) I think that in addition to legislative methods, I also need the people themselves, their consciousness. And some officials could be put to the wall, for what they are doing.
  25. Justme
    Justme 3 May 2012 09: 50
    +3
    What are the explicit bribes?
    Here I am carrying accounts for debugging funds for a couple of my projects ..
    These accounts are made through Spets-Komplekt-Delivery .. I asked to make this purchase through another company where the same thing is 2 times cheaper ..
    In reality, the entire military-industrial complex is covered with such "suckers". There are no frank bribes, there is just a cheat that reaches 10 times the size. Aliens are not allowed into these streams and there are many methods of how to do this.
    A separate topic is the results of third-party theoretical studies. This zone is very specific and inconvenient to control.
    Here is the leadership of our research institute poured 3 million rubles to its friends in Rostov for the experimental development of the system in 2005 (and those, in turn, reordered the development in China). There is no real result. Another attempt on the same subject is to reorder this theory with friends at a local polytechnic. They pour 1-2-3 million rubles a year there. And what we have in the balance of these games - for example, a free amateurish retelling of a book - Ayficher, Digital Signal Processing, 2-4 chapters.
  26. Igor77
    Igor77 3 May 2012 09: 51
    +3
    In Russia, this is just the way it should be!
  27. vorobey
    vorobey 3 May 2012 09: 51
    +6
    Quote: domokl
    Only the confiscation of all property and personal and property of relatives and landing for long periods ...


    On a mortar as suggested in Korea by Kim Jong Kemto.
  28. Nickname
    Nickname 3 May 2012 10: 06
    +4
    Golden words both in the article and in the comments. But, unfortunately, only words. Bribe takers do not read these articles - they have other interests. But to really help Rogozin and other patriots - you need to go out into the streets with slogans like - a good bribe-taker - a dead bribe-taker. But no matter how it turns out to be a "disservice" to Putin
  29. crossbow
    crossbow 3 May 2012 10: 10
    0
    Liberalism in the field of Russian criminal legislation is sometimes simply amazing, I won’t be surprised that there will be attempts to present the sale of secret military information, that there is treason to the Motherland unequivocally and unconditionally, as illegal entrepreneurial activity punishable by a fine or suspended sentence.
  30. orel53
    orel53 3 May 2012 10: 23
    +3
    They do not want to make a proposal to Rogozin, which means they are interested in bribes themselves, and they have stigmas in the cannon. it is necessary to introduce the death penalty, and only this will stop the embezzlers. Tired of this theft on a large scale - and this is people's money, tired of bribery, tired of the inaction of the authorities. He stole billions - go with the honor of resigning, not jail, so our government decides. Why will not they confiscate all property and money in banks? Dismissed from work, and where the confiscation. How tired of this disgrace, no one has faith. It's a shame for the Power, such a land rich in natural resources, and the standard of living will soon be worse than the Pappuans. And a certain layer of people and their offspring use and grow fat, and not ordinary people
  31. S_nami_strength
    S_nami_strength 3 May 2012 10: 25
    +5
    Correctly, this must be equated to treason and to a higher degree, moreover, on the Red Square and live through all the channels of the body. angry
  32. QWEST
    QWEST 3 May 2012 10: 33
    0
    then Rogozin called himself a traitor!
  33. Commander
    Commander 3 May 2012 10: 35
    +4
    I propose to do as in China: a public execution on the square !!! This is the only way to put things in order.
  34. OSTAP BENDER
    OSTAP BENDER 3 May 2012 10: 54
    +3
    The ice has broken, gentlemen!
  35. dmnatbor
    dmnatbor 3 May 2012 10: 55
    +3
    The question arises.
    Why are neither the president nor the prime minister using their authority?
    Show will. To say - to be this and the point.
    Do not want to interfere with democratic processes?
  36. procop843
    procop843 3 May 2012 11: 01
    +3
    Ragozin or another will say the right words, I do not think that something has changed. 20 years as if they did not know. The system needs to be changed.
  37. Magadan
    Magadan 3 May 2012 11: 20
    +5
    It is the system, when the scum from the "middle" bureaucratic link cover themselves, write the laws for themselves and demonstrate their impunity to the whole people. This bail of a judge-deputy-head of administration-head of the regional police (general, prosecutor, head of the tax inspection) of a given province can only be corrected by Stalin's purges, or by a competently organized response from below (the whole crowd for one nit in turn) in all available ways, starting from the Internet , declining the name of filth and spread rot in every way. I have a feeling this is about to start. I don’t know, but we are resourceful people. The main thing is to swing and unite. We do not need revolutions, here the top is right, but the top must, in turn, begin to hand over their bureaucrats. Let it be at least at the level of ostentation so that others become afraid.
  38. runway
    runway 3 May 2012 11: 53
    +1
    Oh, oh, Dmitry Anatolyevich!
    All corrupt officials described themselves after your threat ....
    But for starters, it would be nice if you at least take one aside and lay it on the sly ....
    And it’s painfully your statement reminds of “Stop the thief!” .....

    And what is "bribe" in your circles? After all, you do not give money in an envelope to "resolve the issue". The transfer of amounts that do not fit into a very large suitcase in large euro rubles is carried out according to not simple schemes "from account to account" .....
    Yes, and one more thing. You can take everyone from your government in order to "aside". You can't go wrong.
    But did you say that solely about workers in the defense industry?
  39. AK-74-1
    AK-74-1 3 May 2012 11: 54
    0
    I fully agree with Rogozin’s proposals. However, I would still like to feel the inevitability of punishment. After all, corruption is first of all impunity, and only then preferences, bribes and benefits.
  40. Nechai
    Nechai 3 May 2012 12: 44
    +1
    ".... violation of the principle of equality of all Russians before the law" - some kind of pharisaism. Well done, actually. They - lawyers and judges hint that it is NOT WORTH FORGETTING them either, They also want to have at least a bit of real anti-corruption, anti-bribe attention. Up to BDSM.
    Quote: vozn_ser
    Without DEATH PENALTY FOR CHANGE OF MOTHERLAND - Rozosin's offer - DEFECTIVE !!!

    It is necessary to recall the consolidated responsibility of the family of the traitor to the Motherland. Together we used everything "acquired by back-breaking labor", together and answer. I do not think that the spouse and relatives will in this case rejoice at the left incomes of the ugly. And they will take the appropriate physical education steps, at least. Well, no, no. One per branch, and the rest of the snow in the tundra to clean.
  41. bashkort
    bashkort 3 May 2012 13: 59
    0
    I completely agree with Rogozin! I agree with those who advocate for the responsibility of the families of the perpetrators! Many wives of officials directly push their husbands to bribes, creatures!
  42. Middle-brother
    Middle-brother 3 May 2012 14: 29
    0
    what new did Rogozin say? A bribe in the defense industry is a betrayal of the homeland! And in the atomic? What is it called there ... secondary engineering ... conditional term and a little rebuke? Or else in any industry or industry? God forbid, of course, if Rogozin succeeds, but for now ETI is sitting in the government, and officials will be easier .... to put on laws and real estate abroad - there will be no order. It is necessary as in China.
  43. postman
    postman 3 May 2012 14: 34
    +1
    Quote: Author Volodin Alexey
    The bill proposed to punish bribe takers in the defense industry not only with fines a hundredfold bribe, but also with 15 years in prison (maximum term)

    Defense Ministry and defense industry officials DO NOT ENTER to the list Untouchables:

    Who is disturbing?
    According to the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation Article 290. Receiving a bribe, part 2, part 3, part 6.
    6. The acts provided for by parts one, three, four and paragraphs "a" and "b" of part five of this article, committed on a large scale (especially large bribe size - in excess of one million rubles), -
    shall be punished by a fine of from eighty to a hundred-fold amount of a bribe with deprivation of the right to occupy certain positions or engage in certain activities for a term of up to three years or imprisonment for a term of eight to fifteen years with a fine in the amount of seventy-fold amount of a bribe.

    Article 291. Giving a bribepart 2 and part 5.
    The acts provided for by parts one to four of this article, committed on an especially large scale, -

    shall be punishable by a fine in the amount of from seventy to ninety-fold bribes or by imprisonment for a term of seven to twelve years with a fine in the amount of seventy-fold bribes.
    Note. The person who gave the bribe is exempted from criminal liability if it actively contributed to the disclosure and (or) investigation of the crime and either there was extortion of the bribe by the official, or the person after committing the crime voluntarily reported the bribe to the body that has the right to institute criminal proceedings.
  44. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 3 May 2012 15: 08
    +1
    Rogozin is on the right track. The main thing is not to go astray.
    So it is necessary with them, embezzlers, for the count.
    If he were a candidate for president of the Russian Federation, I would vote for him.
  45. Tatanka Yotanka
    Tatanka Yotanka 3 May 2012 15: 42
    0
    Ura-Rogozin voiced something that people have been asking for years, and on this site such suggestions have flashed repeatedly, but what is the probability of adopting this law, if only at the stage of consideration it has already drowned in the Ministry of Justice and the top of the court, article 20 on corruption cannot be ratified, limited half measures, and then bam, the bribe taker, a traitor to the Motherland, through one official will have to be planted if not more, cheers must be shouted when the law is
  46. vezunchik
    vezunchik 3 May 2012 17: 05
    +1
    And Lenin introduced a shot for bribes and embezzlement, especially by officials. Yes, and confiscation is needed
  47. Rusik.S
    Rusik.S 3 May 2012 18: 45
    0
    .... and shoot
  48. uizik
    uizik 3 May 2012 18: 45
    0
    Crimes committed by the military sometimes cause irreparable damage to the country. It is necessary to equate cruel crimes, (bribe, fraud, etc.) committed by the military, to the military using the most severe sanctions.
  49. Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 3 May 2012 19: 06
    0
    Well, where do you propose starting, the Constitution, the Legislation, or even so we will focus on the executive branch ??? Is the cavarian question true? I think the judicial executive system works strangely, basically it seems that you didn’t think so on the kickbacks with the big one named MIC. Dimon gave the rotten a lot, but on the other hand he had to at least do something !!! I applaud while standing, we wish him good luck, YOUNG good
  50. Oleg0705
    Oleg0705 3 May 2012 20: 12
    +1
    "Evil and vice is not the point that there are bribe-takers, embezzlers and insensitive people who have no idea not only about love, but even about Christian compassion for younger brothers, but that society often puts up with such people, that it is wide opens its doors for them that such persons are often the favorite members of many public circles, the most pleasant interlocutors, the most profitable suitors, pleasure leaders, legislators of public opinion, and so on "

    K.D. Ushinsky