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They are destroying the monuments to Soviet soldiers-liberators, we are restoring Katyn

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Literally every month from Poland there are reports that the vandals have outraged one monument to fallen Soviet soldiers, the authorities gave the nod to dismantle another. Today - they filled it with paint, tomorrow - they smashed tombstones, the day after tomorrow they leveled the memorial with a bulldozer. This is “gratitude” from the current Polish elites for the fact that at one time Poland not only remained on the map, but also rooted to the former German territories.


The Russian answer is “serious concerns” and ... the renewal of the Katyn memorial complex in the Smolensk region. This is the same complex that in modern Poland is designated almost as the main symbol of the "anti-Polish war crime of Stalin."

It became known that the Katyn Memorial, in which, as we know, Polish (and not only Polish) military personnel are buried, was updated after restoration. Today, the opening ceremony of the memorial after the renovation will be attended by officials, including the Minister of Culture of the Russian Federation Vladimir Medinsky and the head of the Federation Council, Valentin Matvienko.

RVIO website Quotes Vladislav Kononov, Executive Director of the Russian Military Historical Society:
In the entrance pavilion there is an updated exhibition about the complex, and on the external walls of the pavilion metal lamellae are mounted with the names of buried Soviet citizens and Polish prisoners of war. The semantic center of the complex is a memorial "Shooting" and a wall indicating the names of the repressed. In addition, a newly built museum and exhibition center opens to visitors of the memorial with an exposition of stories Russian-Polish relations in the XX - early XXI centuries.




It was added that “much has been done” in the so-called “Death Valley”, where once again exhumation measures were carried out and the remains were reburied.

According to Vladimir Medinsky, this question cannot be politicized:
I am convinced: no matter how the political situation may turn, our common history is not a reason for the endless exchange of insults and claims, this is the past, it has passed. We learn from it and live on, and to disturb the memory of the fallen in political quarrels is beyond good and evil. In Russia, they will always honor the memory of Polish officers who died in Katyn - they are not the sons of a stranger, but a kindred people buried in Russian soil. We very much hope that the same humanity will return to the actions of Polish politicians.


If we consider that in recent years, “humanity” has not only not returned to Polish politicians, but has finally evaporated on the wave of fighting monuments, how appropriate the humanitarian initiative of the same Ministry of Culture looks appropriate is an open question.
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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich April 20 2018 09: 11
    +9
    They are destroying the monuments to Soviet soldiers-liberators, we are restoring Katyn
    In this, we are different from ANIMALS ...
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 April 20 2018 09: 14
      +13
      Right! Vandalism is not just a crime, it is an indicator of wretchedness, immorality and Mindfulness!
      Only the cowards can fight the dead!
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana April 20 2018 09: 20
        +19
        And the resignation of Medinsky and Valka Matvienko, as wretchedly wise liberoid traitors to the Motherland and the Russian people! angry
        1. Detachment 731
          Detachment 731 April 20 2018 09: 24
          +5
          But I support with great pleasure drinks
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana April 20 2018 10: 14
            +18
            The lying monument about the execution of Polish prisoners of war in Katyn, allegedly by the NKVD, but actually by the Germans near Smolensk, is needed by the West exclusively to rock the unity of Russian society and weaken Russia from the inside.
            The Russian oligarchy in the decision to preserve the Gobachev-Yeltsin decision on Katyn in a fake form needs to preserve its capital abroad - and nothing more. But the Russian oligarchs will not succeed in this, for they have contacted racketeering states over the hill in the West. Capitalism, as such, in itself leaves them no chance. They will all be robbed there.
            And in this pit of our own bankruptcy, our oligarch is dragging our whole country — Russia and its peoples — to the grave!

            Victor Ilyukhin The truth about Katyn! Posted on: 3 Feb 2014
            1. XXXIII
              XXXIII April 20 2018 10: 28
              +6
              Quote: Tatiana
              A lying monument about the shooting of Polish prisoners of war in Katyn allegedly by the NKVD
              Yes, a political idle talk, the minister’s portfolio runs away, that’s Medina’s balabolit, when they return the portfolio, they’ll shut up again .... yes hi
              Russia is not responsible for the mass shooting of Polish officers in Katyn - a decision recently made by the European Court of Human Rights. The decision is sensational: it turns out that over the past 20 years, the leadership of our country has tirelessly repented of the crime that someone else committed in the 40s. It turns out that the documents on the Katyn execution, which appeared in the late 80s from the sleeve of a member of the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee, Alexander Yakovlev, are nothing more than fake - the court did not even accept them for consideration. https://versia.ru/sud-ne-smog-vzyskat-s-rossii-10
              0-000-000-000-za-rasstrel-polskix-voennoplennyx

              The European Court withdrew responsibility from the Soviet Union and Stalin for the mass shooting of Polish officers in Katyn in the 40th year of the last century. Hundreds of Polish officers died that year. Before the collapse of the USSR, Mikhail Gorbachev assured everyone that it was Stalin’s handiwork, after many years of studying all the documents, the European Court recognized these documents as fake.https://nstarikov.ru/club/18818

              “It was the Germans who shot the Poles near Smolensk. And not in 1940, but in 1941. This is absolutely certain. The goal is clear. The Germans had already managed to destroy a large number of Polish officers and educated Poles directly in Poland. And they saw no reason to stop this ethnic cleansing in any territory, including ours. And in 1990, the Soviet Union was pressed and forced to agree with the version of this execution invented by Goebbels in 1943. "

              Goebels' lies were picked up and used by the Americans, this became another coin in the piggy bank of the collapse of the Soviet Union.
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana April 20 2018 10: 34
                +7
                In the Tver region, 30 kilometers from Tver there is a memorial complex "Copper". The visitors of Medny are assured that the remains of more than six thousand Polish prisoners of war, shot by the USSR authorities in the spring of the 1940 in Kalinin, rest in this place. There is a similar memorial in the Smolensk region (Katyn). The authors of the film consider this version of MYTH. The film collected evidence that the mass executions of the Poles in the 1940 year by the USSR authorities were not. The film published data on the fate of Polish prisoners of war after the 1940 year.

                In the period from 1941 to 1943, several hospitals were located in the vicinity of the village of Mednoye. The Soviet soldiers of the 29th Army, who died in wounded medical battalions, were also buried there. And in the place where the Polish memorial is now located, there was a collection point for the bodies of the Red Army soldiers who died in battles, whose memory has not yet been immortalized. In 2006, representatives of the “Union of Soviet Officers” erected a marble slab on the territory of the Mednovsky Memorial in memory of the Soviet soldiers of the 29th Army who fell in battle. But soon the stove mysteriously disappeared.

                Monument to the Poles in Katyn and oblivion by the Russian authorities about Soviet soldiersthose who died and died in battles near Smolensk during the Second World War and who were unknown buried there on the territory of the HONORARY memorial to the Poles, have long been and have already turned for the corrupt Russian oligarchy CHANGE COIN for the preservation of their capital abroad and from their complete confiscation there now the pro-American state-raider way.

                Myths of the Copper. Posted on: 25 Jul. 2015
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                2. Tatyana
                  Tatyana April 20 2018 11: 07
                  +2
                  If the Russian oligarchs are not united with their - Russian - people to protect their Fatherland, then they will definitely lose the war with the West. None of the Russian people will protect them in principle.
                  This is well known in the West! For the capitalist system in the West is older and many years old than in Russia, and therefore more experienced, more ideologically practiced in practice in its practical methods and methods of dealing with its competitors.

                  Capitalism itself, in principle, exists solely due to its expansion into new markets and new rich lands and countries with cheap labor! And no new Russian nouveau riche in the West and there can be no mercy! Such Russian nouveau riche now live in luxury, and die naturally in a trash barrel!

                  1. Tatyana
                    Tatyana April 20 2018 14: 50
                    +2
                    And the most interesting thing nowadays (against the background of events in Syria, Ukraine, the construction of gas pipelines by Russia, etc.) is that the Poles not only know what the Germans shot the Poles, but their owners also know about it from USA!
                    The Poles are Poles, but initially, the Poles in the Katyn case were initially - even before the collapse of the USSR - the United States! It was Gorbachev who fulfilled this order of the USA!
                    In other words, Gorbachev went on a forgery on the Katyn case precisely by order from Washington back in 1990-1991, selling the Soviet Union under the US foreign policy interests. The American plan for fraud about the execution of Poles in Katyn is already 30 years old !!!

                    And the Russian liberoid government will bury this traitor-scoundrel Gorbachev with state honors on Russian soil at public expense, i.e. on the money of Russian taxpayers! How can the Russian people and the Russian land tolerate this ?!

                    LIES BECOMING HISTORY (KATYN). Published: April 3, 2015.
              2. DREDD
                DREDD April 20 2018 15: 21
                +1
                The European Court withdrew responsibility from the Soviet Union and Stalin for the mass shooting of Polish officers in Katyn in the 40th year of the last century
                Despite this, today, according to Vesti 24, they briefly said that the Poles were shot precisely in the 40th year, tobish by the NKVD-shnikami
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            3. Polite Moose
              Polite Moose April 20 2018 10: 46
              +6
              Quote: Tatiana
              The lying monument about the execution of Polish prisoners of war in Katyn, allegedly by the NKVD, but actually by the Germans near Smolensk, is needed by the West exclusively to rock the unity of Russian society and weaken Russia from the inside.

              Right. And, in order not to support a dubious memorial, I propose transferring funds for the restoration of the Katyn memorial to Belarus to support the Khatyn memorial. There will be much more benefit.
              1. XXXIII
                XXXIII April 20 2018 11: 39
                +1
                Quote: Polite Elk
                Right. And, in order not to support a dubious memorial, I propose transferring funds for the restoration of the Katyn memorial to Belarus to support the Khatyn memorial. There will be much more benefit.

                Yes, you think that they did something there, drank the loot and that’s all, but they made and painted a cardboard monument, they will forget about it after the inauguration, believe me, how will the new cabinet be announced. But if the monument will bring political dividends, then there will still be new tombs. Our politicians are not accustomed to play on patriotic feelings and memory. In general, they do it everywhere, here our politicians are not discoverers yes hi
            4. APIS
              APIS April 20 2018 14: 49
              +1
              Quote: Tatiana
              The Russian oligarchy in the decision to preserve Gobachev-Yeltsin decision on Katyn in a false form is necessary in order to preserve their capital abroad - and nothing more.

              Tatyana, here you are not completely right. Gorbachev / Yeltsin fabricated false documents about the execution, but not a single court accepted them. There is no judicial decision to confirm the execution of the Poles of the NKVD !!!
              But there is a decision of the Duma supported only by the EP faction and the tandem — to hold responsible for the shooting of the Poles of the NKVD and STALIN.
              After that, rotten filmmakers raced, receiving an Oscar, etc.
              Of course, not one person in their right mind would not believe the NKVD's guilt:
              1. The same “cryo-defenders” claim that mass executions were carried out by flooding in the holds of old barges. Well, let's say that old barges with poles in the hold will not sink.
              2. What is the point of shooting German weapons with German ammunition? Mukhin (one of the authoritative researchers of Katyn) suggested that The NKVD had planned in advance to lure the Nazis to Smolensk and "lay the blame on them."
              3. Why were the “Walters” out of order found in the graves with the shot? The option that the Poles didn’t shoot back - at least one would be serviceable, suppose that the NKVD executioner threw the tool at the place of work and then convinced “I swear my mother broke” in the gun room? In peacetime (April 1940, 1941) it is unlikely that it would simply have brought it in a defective form for repair or decommissioning. But during the hostilities (XNUMX, when the Nazis did it), the executioner could afford it and get a new one from the captor.
              This is just what catches the eye immediately. What about the eyes of edros is an open question.
              1. DREDD
                DREDD April 20 2018 15: 26
                0
                What is the point of shooting German weapons with German ammunition? Mukhin (one of the authoritative researchers of Katyn) suggested that the NKVD had planned in advance to lure the Nazis to Smolensk and "put the blame on them."
                Just then, it was also planned to drive them back)). That’s the genius of Stalin!
              2. Tatanka Yotanka
                Tatanka Yotanka April 20 2018 16: 09
                +1
                Quote: APIS
                Of course, not one person in their right mind would not believe in the guilt of the NKVD

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWuNDxNTAGc
                Putin disagrees with you
                1. APIS
                  APIS April 20 2018 21: 08
                  0
                  Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
                  Quote: APIS
                  Of course, not one person in their right mind would not believe in the guilt of the NKVD

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWuNDxNTAGc
                  Putin disagrees with you

                  I wrote "in my right mind," is there any regular HPP there to pretend request
        2. Logall
          Logall April 20 2018 09: 27
          +5
          Tatyana, love , watched the other day, Matvienko on TV - horror ... The painted mummy! Even afraid to imagine what kind of web in her head? And she also presides over the Federation Council ...
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana April 20 2018 09: 40
            +2
            Alexander! hi It’s not about Roger Matvienko, but about her intention to continue on behalf of Russia and the Russian people to obsequiously lick the historically fake-provocative ass of the West - the same rotten Poles! Since Poland is backed by the United States and the collective West, with their money temporarily pumping loans to Great Poland for the war against Russia.
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            2. Logall
              Logall April 20 2018 10: 24
              +4
              Quote: Tatiana
              on behalf of Russia and the Russian people obsequiously lick historically fake provocative ass West

              Tatyana, the St. Petersburg elite always had the idea of ​​a fix - to become recognized as the West, to be friends with the West, to be one Russia-West ... And do not care how many Russians will suffer!
              Incorrect interpretation of the covenants of Peter the Great!
              1. XXXIII
                XXXIII April 20 2018 10: 58
                +2
                Quote: Logall
                the elite has always had the idea of ​​a fix

                Yes, she is an ugly elite everywhere, but they did not conquer these lands and they did not build the city ... yes Petrograd is a Russian city!
                Quote: Logall
                Incorrect interpretation of the covenants of Peter the Great!

                That's for sure, this city was built for the convenience of trade with European countries (a window to Europe), this city shows that Russians know and know how to build cities better than European yes .... And then many teach that boots and vodka with us, Russians build great cities, beautiful ... fellow
                Not everything was smooth in history ... yes
                “If the Lord gives me time, I will make a second Amsterdam from St. Petersburg,” said Peter in 1703, when his dream began to come true. Peter did not pay attention to either the costs or the tens of thousands of victims. He knew well that the people did not support him in the construction of the city. “I know people don’t like St. Petersburg, they will set fire to the city and the fleet as soon as I die, but as long as I’m alive, I’ll keep them here, they should feel like I'm Tsar Peter Alekseevich.
                The city survived a lot, but the Russians saved the city, we are not barbarians and we will not stand for the price when it will be necessary .... hi
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                1. XXXIII
                  XXXIII April 20 2018 11: 28
                  +2
                  Tatyana
                  Yes, Europe has always used the elite against Russia, this elite is weak and avid, they have always used it. Here history shows and tells how the rulers of the Russian land did not spare their sons for treason. Only a strong hand and head always returned the country to its foundations. Our capitalists are not like the patrons of the Russian Empire, but the shame of the Russian people!
          2. AlexVas44
            AlexVas44 April 20 2018 11: 01
            +3
            Quote: Logall
            Makeup mummy! .... And she also presides over the Federation Council ...

            So she is the face of the Federation Council !!! They are all one to one !!! laughing
        3. Warrior with machine gun
          Warrior with machine gun April 20 2018 14: 20
          +2
          such as Matvienko, they only step down with their feet, there are no other options to tear them from the trough request
      2. Vanek
        Vanek April 20 2018 09: 22
        +3
        Quote: Hunter 2
        Right! Vandalism is not just a crime, it is an indicator of wretchedness, immorality and Mindfulness!
        Only the cowards can fight the dead!


        That's right ...

        Nothing will go unpunished. Everyone will be avenged *

        Up there, everyone will remember.

        hi
        1. Vitaly Anisimov
          Vitaly Anisimov April 20 2018 09: 29
          +1
          I remember during the time of the Russian Empire, even the "Polish language" was forbidden and no monuments were built .. Understanding everything that could be in these territories!
          And we with this ideology Peace, friendship, internationalism, are now swelling and our Russian graves are desecrating .. Here and think men, how to live on! soldier
      3. Major Yurik
        Major Yurik April 20 2018 09: 40
        +4
        Nothing needs to be destroyed, no need to fight with anyone using monuments. Just transfer the entire complex to financial support Poland. They want to contain, they do not want not! In Russia there are many monuments to soldiers whose condition is, to put it mildly, not very. So the money spent on the Katyn memorial is useful for the maintenance of memorials in honor of the heroes of our country! hi
        1. Vanek
          Vanek April 20 2018 09: 46
          +2
          Quote: Major Yurik
          Just transfer the entire complex to financial support Poland.


          - To be or not to be?

          These are two questions.

          hi
        2. Rostislav
          Rostislav April 20 2018 11: 42
          0
          The Katyn Memorial should not be kept (it doesn’t matter to us or the Poles), but it’s necessary to close it. The very fact of its existence pours water on the mill of Russophobia. Many more people know about the Katyn memorial than about the decision of the European court.
          The memorial should close, leaving only a mass grave site with Polish and Soviet soldiers.
          Fear of recognizing one’s mistakes is not a sign of strength, it’s just the opposite.
        3. freddyk
          freddyk April 21 2018 12: 52
          0
          Quote: Major Yurik
          You don’t have to destroy anything, you don’t have to fight with anyone using monuments. Just transfer the entire complex to financial support Poland. They want to contain, they do not want not

          Yes, and it would be nice to sign - “To the victims of fascism”
      4. ava09
        ava09 April 20 2018 09: 47
        +6
        As usual, there is a flip side to the coin ... First, the shooting of captured Poles, who stained themselves with crimes and captured by the Russians, was carried out by the Germans after the occupation of these territories of the USSR. And secondly, and this is the main thing, to erect memorials and repent for no reason is a sure sign of IDIOTISM.
      5. meandr51
        meandr51 April 20 2018 11: 33
        +1
        No one is at war with the dead. Demolish structures on the surface, created alive for political purposes. The complex in Katyn needs to be demolished and a forest planted there. No memory to the Polish invaders! The territory of modern Poland is native Russian lands.
      6. Ravik
        Ravik April 20 2018 11: 37
        0
        Maybe. But since the Poles were shot, we don’t need to plow this Katyn in response with tractors and close the question once and for all. These crayfish understand only the language of power.
      7. 210ox
        210ox April 20 2018 14: 18
        +1
        For almost fifty years I have lived near this place in Smolensk. Who goes there? Poles come, a liberal from the capitals ... Local people relax there at the Borok sanatorium, but they dig beds in the dachas in Katyn ... Not many people are interested in this memorial.
        Quote: Hunter 2
        Right! Vandalism is not just a crime, it is an indicator of wretchedness, immorality and Mindfulness!
        Only the cowards can fight the dead!
    2. Dormidont
      Dormidont April 20 2018 09: 25
      0
      Like a boy Kolya from Urengoy
      1. Basil50
        Basil50 April 20 2018 09: 48
        +2
        Everything is on emotions.
        And so they committed treason against the defenders of the HOMELAND, and now we disentangle.
        The fact that the Germans shot the Poles was known to both the Poles and their masters in London.
        Apparently, after the construction of the gas pipeline, something else will appear that will require adjustment to the Polish lies, or is it enough? Maybe it’s worthwhile to initiate a criminal case on the betrayal and theft of state property?
        By the way, the Poles are not the only ones in the claims. A few years ago, the pope made the Italians saints from the Nazi troops, those whom they dug under STALINGRAD, as crusaders * carrying the light of Christianity *.
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana April 20 2018 14: 20
          +1
          Quote: Vasily50
          And so they committed treason against the defenders of the HOMELAND, and now we disentangle. The fact that the Germans shot the Poles was known to both the Poles and their masters in London. .... Maybe it’s worthwhile to institute criminal proceedings both on betrayal and theft of state property?

          And you need to start with Gorbachev! It was Gorbachev who made the forgery on the Katyn case on an order from Washington, selling the USSR in a venal manner under the foreign policy interests of the United States.

          Poles are Poles, but initially the United States is behind the Poles!

          And the Russian liberoid government will bury this traitor-scoundrel Gorbachev with state honors on Russian soil for the state budget, i.e. on the money of Russian taxpayers!

          LIES BECOMING HISTORY (KATYN). Published: April 3, 2015.
    3. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk April 20 2018 09: 57
      +1
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      They are destroying the monuments to Soviet soldiers-liberators, we are restoring Katyn
      In this, we are different from ANIMALS ...

      And then who are we, if we don’t know the history of our country? As with the "best German Gorby," it has become the custom, so the current government continues to sprinkle ashes on its head. And for one purpose only - once again it’s delicious to spit on the Soviet past. Do not shoot the NKVD Poles! Not ra-s-t-re-li-shaft !!! This was done by the Germans !!! All scholars of this issue claim exactly this. And the authorities can not oppose anything to this. Despite the fact that it has access to all archives! The late people's deputy Ilyukhin made a proposal to create a commission on this issue. But .., Ilyukhin quickly died, (by chance?) And the commission was not created (forgotten?). You believe? Me not.
      Merciless hand
      People will kill others
      And bury. And they sing:
      "With the saints repose"
      I do not understand anything! -
      The despot hits people and drives
      And he will die - and his
      Bury with the same song!
      Honest dead or thief -
      With the same longing
      The sad choir sings:
      "With the saints repose"
      Fool, cattle il hama
      I'll kill with my hand
      But for all they sing stubbornly:
      "With the saints repose"
    4. Vladimir K.
      Vladimir K. April 20 2018 10: 54
      +2
      Wouldn’t it be better to resume excavations and prove with facts on hand that the USSR and Stalin are not guilty of the death of these Polish officers? After that, the monument can be restored - why not ?, but it should not be a symbol of the USSR’s "crimes" against the "innocent Polish officers." Plus, it would be necessary to develop the theme of the Red Army tortured in Polish camps in the early 20s of the last century - they were not just shot there, like these officers in our territory, they were abused, humiliated, starved, and so on and so forth. The poles of their logs in their own eyes stubbornly do not want to, and they poke us in the face with falsifications.
      1. meandr51
        meandr51 April 20 2018 11: 12
        +1
        Even better is to prove that these officers did not deserve anything else, but were war criminals. And to warn the modern Polish government about the application of capital punishment in case of continuation of hostile Russian activities.
        From the Poles it is necessary to knock out the very idea of ​​the possibility of confrontation with Russia. And Russia's full right to punish them anytime, anywhere.
        1. shura7782
          shura7782 April 20 2018 11: 38
          0
          Quote: meandr51
          ........ but were war criminals. ........

          What's all up to one? For what reasons did you draw this conclusion? Maybe they invaded the territory of the USSR and fought against us? Do you even know about this, or do you know naked patriotism above all else?
        2. Basil50
          Basil50 April 20 2018 13: 25
          +1
          Actually, there were investigations of war crimes and criminal, several thousand Polish bandits and officers were OFFICIALLY, after the sentencing, shot. That's just the Poles they are not interested in, too Poles have shown themselves as sadists and murderers.
          And in Katyn there was a consequence of the international commission. And the verdict of the Nuremberg Tribunal took place. In the Poles they found traitors who betrayed both the SOVIET UNION and all CITIZENS of the SOVIET UNION and for * a jar of jam and a pack of cookies * cooked up a fake. By the way, the Poles why they even lost these fakes. Apparently they really * stink *.
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 20 2018 09: 13
    +1
    The Russian answer is “serious concerns” and ... updating the Katyn memorial complex in the Smolensk region.

    For whom are such attempts?!? request The Poles are crushed completely different ... angry If for us, then we already know who is to blame for the Second World War, and who are the real winners !!!!
    1. raw174
      raw174 April 20 2018 09: 50
      +1
      Quote: aszzz888
      If for us, then we already know who is to blame for the Second World War, and who are the real winners !!!!

      We know with you and other forum users, but new generations will come, that's all for them. To remember not only children, but also grandchildren and great-grandchildren. This is an information war in its history! Grandfathers won the hot war, we are obliged not to profane the information!
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 April 20 2018 09: 53
        +1
        raw174 (Ravil) Today, 09: 50

        I agree that these "new generations" remember and honor the memory of History ... at least I want to believe in it!
        1. raw174
          raw174 April 20 2018 12: 10
          +1
          Quote: aszzz888
          at least I want to believe it!

          Believe a little. We need to do. Shifting all responsibility to the state is not worth it. To start with your own children, to educate them in the right patriotic way, you can work with the children at school, yourself ...
  3. anjey
    anjey April 20 2018 09: 16
    +1
    For some reason, the lousy west, our humanity, is constantly mistaken for weakness and deflection under them, is it not better to go to the level of a bully and in the teeth, mirror, indefinitely Katyn for sanitation from the British BZ brought in by the Poles ....
  4. Yrec
    Yrec April 20 2018 09: 18
    +1
    This is a “normal and natural” historical process. The Poles, like many others, received a painful vaccine against Nazism / fascism. The action of this vaccination is over (it is surprising that it acted for a long time, knowing the Poles). Apparently it's time to update the vaccination. One way or another it will have to be done.
  5. Dormidont
    Dormidont April 20 2018 09: 23
    0
    What Medinsky to Russian soldiers
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky April 20 2018 10: 31
      +1
      Quote: Dormidont
      What Medinsky to Russian soldiers

      Judging by the surname, Polish blood is present in the minister. I don’t think that these are genes ............... it’s probably stupid when at the Duma level there were discussions about how to answer Poland for “pranks” by means of restrictions in the sphere of economic relations , at the level of the Ministry of Culture, this cultural and humanitarian action is being carried out, demonstrating complete indifference to the actions of the Polish side.
  6. impostor
    impostor April 20 2018 09: 25
    +4
    What to expect from the official who hung the Mannerheim memorial plaque?
  7. Graz
    Graz April 20 2018 09: 25
    0
    All the remains of Soviet soldiers to transfer and rebury at home, so that the Poles had no reason to speculate on this and blackmail the graves of their ancestors, this should have been done 20 years ago
  8. novel66
    novel66 April 20 2018 09: 30
    +1
    and in the process of restoration add a line in bronze - "crimes committed by the Nazi occupiers"
  9. mavrus
    mavrus April 20 2018 09: 31
    +1
    Of course, it is necessary to restore, but let it now be indicated everywhere that it is "the burial place of Polish officers shot by the Germans in the fall of 1941", which was proved by the Soviet investigation. And the State Duma must urgently pass a law that any Goebbels propaganda about the involvement of the NKVD is punishable by prison sentences. So that everything would be civilized in our country, as is customary in Europe.
    1. meandr51
      meandr51 April 20 2018 11: 22
      0
      Not Polish officers, but Polish war criminals. They seized the territory of Russia, for which they paid. Poland is always better to have in enemies than in allies. But it’s best to completely eliminate it as a state. It should become a Russian province. Poles - to master Siberia.
  10. Romin
    Romin April 20 2018 09: 52
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    And you can spoil yourself in slippers)
    In general, look at the root, in the “today's” of our country in the confrontation of ideology and money, money always wins! Any repair is a contract with a construction organization and this is the development of budget funds;) And you are here about the bright and the good, about the fact that we are not at war with the monuments, etc.
    Excuse me, naive, honest word always look at the situation wider, and not one-sided)
  11. Pichalka
    Pichalka April 20 2018 09: 54
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    Quote: MIKHAN
    I remember during the time of the Russian Empire, even the "Polish language" was forbidden and no monuments were built .. Understanding everything that could be in these territories!
    :

    Why do you write the Polish language in quotation marks?
  12. pavelpavel
    pavelpavel April 20 2018 10: 00
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    Are there Polish officers in this Katyn? Who is still buried there in neat rows and type on shelves? Could it be that the NKVD was so neatly buried, or are the Germans all the same?
  13. Ased
    Ased April 20 2018 10: 02
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    It’s bad that they forgot. But our grandchildren must remember!
    For this, Russia will spend OUR money with you.
  14. Humpty
    Humpty April 20 2018 10: 07
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    You can also put a monument to that aspen, in which the Poles fly, but badly.
  15. shuravi
    shuravi April 20 2018 10: 24
    +1
    Quote: Tatiana
    The lying monument about the execution of Polish prisoners of war in Katyn, allegedly by the NKVD, but actually by the Germans near Smolensk, is needed by the West exclusively to rock the unity of Russian society and weaken Russia from the inside.



    Katyn, this is only one of the milestones. Here is a kind of patriotic site, "the memory of the people." Which hosts here such fakes:
    1. XXXIII
      XXXIII April 20 2018 11: 42
      +1
      Quote: shuravi
      Katyn, this is only one of the milestones. Here is a kind of patriotic site, "the memory of the people." Which hosts here such fakes:

      What kind of site is this? lol hi
  16. alekc75
    alekc75 April 20 2018 11: 01
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    Medina and Matvienko given time to drive on a logging!
  17. meandr51
    meandr51 April 20 2018 11: 01
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    I do not see anything positive in creating the Katyn complex. Poland was an enemy, an enemy and will remain. No need to persuade and cajole her. It must be eliminated. All the same, the Poles perceive the respect for the victims of the German execution as weakness. And in general, why the USSR did not have the right to shoot enemies before the Germans? The Poles did not stand on ceremony with ours. And they will not stand on ceremony in the event of NATO aggression.
  18. gukoyan
    gukoyan April 20 2018 11: 03
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    It would be better if the Yeltsin center would be razed to the ground ... And then with one of its appearance it defiles the Russian land and trolls the Russian people (
    1. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara April 20 2018 11: 11
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      I would have demolished all this garbage with a bulldozer and rolled it into the ground, I still didn’t have enough to repent before the sons, let them answer for the troubles first
      1. meandr51
        meandr51 April 20 2018 11: 24
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        And for 50 thousand. Red Army soldiers killed in captivity. The creation of Poland is generally illegal. This is the territory of Russia.
  19. Vetal999
    Vetal999 April 20 2018 11: 20
    +1
    I propose to put ONE ONE memorial stone in Katyn and put a cross AND ALL on it. There is no need to create a monument to fascist and English lies for my money.
  20. komrad buh
    komrad buh April 20 2018 11: 49
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    Their soldiers, even if they bury them at their place, erect monuments, etc.
  21. prior
    prior April 20 2018 11: 54
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    Official show-offs are more expensive than folk money.
    Poles need, let them pay. No, let them dig and ..... to their homeland. There is experience of grave-digging.
  22. Vard
    Vard April 20 2018 12: 01
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    If you want to be respected ... start with self-esteem ... then the people will reach you ...
  23. shuravi
    shuravi April 20 2018 12: 18
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    Quote: XXXIII
    Quote: shuravi
    Katyn, this is only one of the milestones. Here is a kind of patriotic site, "the memory of the people." Which hosts here such fakes:

    What kind of site is this? lol hi


    Yes, here it is:
    https://pamyat-naroda.ru/
    Pay attention to the logo, a shabby star.
    In fact, the damage from the “new newspaper”, “rain”, and “echo of Moscow” is several times less.
    But on such, petty sites on the principle of Trojans, lies are being tricked.
  24. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff April 20 2018 13: 36
    +1
    Have Vlasov, Shkuro, Krasnov not yet been erected monuments?
    And then Mannerheim was already opening a memorial plaque for the blockade of Leningrad ...
    For Naruseva, Stalin was worse than Hitler (she threw hundreds of old people into the streets, privatizing their apartments).
    In general, in Russia, no one in power is Vlasov. The main thing is to buy housing abroad, to bargain with future owners of the territory, the former Russia, and to prove your tolerance by deeds.
    Are you still sure that Russia will ever be able to respond with a nuclear strike to an attack by the West?
    In general: "I’m making fun of this frying pan talking!"
    1. APIS
      APIS April 20 2018 21: 31
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      They put it.
      In Moscow, a memorial plaque was smashed, and in Novocherkassk, Krasnov is still intact
  25. Oleg Kozlov
    Oleg Kozlov April 20 2018 14: 25
    +1
    Betrayal and devastation begins in the minds. That would be to check the minds of officials ....
  26. Dema
    Dema April 20 2018 23: 20
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    There is a conclusion of the Burdenko commission (if I remember my last name correctly). There is a conclusion from the Nuremberg Tribunal. Why the hell should we repent before someone and what? Did their soldiers die? Here is a place for you and read them. Or maybe they will still remember about our soldiers, who were really tortured into their captivity? Moreover, in the war that they started.
  27. spiriolla-45
    spiriolla-45 April 21 2018 12: 30
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    Everyone hopes that the West will appreciate our lizoblyudov, and in addition to the heels, for licking, and substitute other places.
  28. spiriolla-45
    spiriolla-45 April 21 2018 12: 32
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    Quote: gukoyan
    It would be better if the Yeltsin center would be razed to the ground ... And then with one of its appearance it defiles the Russian land and trolls the Russian people (

    And why compare, there is the very place to open an alkocenter, named after EBEn the first.
  29. Al Capone
    Al Capone April 23 2018 15: 02
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    here's the answer to the question ... whose path ... it has the same relation to the country and people as any other scum from this kodla ... enemies of the people ... all Putin kodla will soon start on the head of the Putinists .. and they will sitting and praying for the journey .. why doesn't he fight these nits
  30. Al Capone
    Al Capone April 23 2018 15: 04
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    Putin’s Kodla ... you won’t call them anymore .... if the west of these goats wants to hang or tear like Gaddafi ... there’s a road