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Armored train at the dustbin of history. Are the Russians ready for war?

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Older people well remember the famous song about the fact that our armored train is on the siding. Maybe once he stood somewhere, and now, apparently, he has long been in a landfill stories. Perhaps he got there even earlier than during the times of the notorious Minister of Defense. Then this “effective manager” demolished almost to the root of the already not so powerful building of national defense.




Of course, not just like that, but to obtain the economic effect of the sale of unnecessary military property. In this case, one of his "Amazons" especially succeeded. True, then something or someone did not go so well, and she even had to go on an excursion to the women's colony. By the verdict of the court. But not for long, she languished there. Then everything got better. They returned her two buckets with gold items confiscated, original paintings, real estate. In short, all that was acquired by overwork.

But the armies suffered from their own leaders of peace losses, no one reimbursed. Thank you, the new Minister of Defense has come. Prior to that, he was a bit aloof from the tasks of national defense. But a knowledgeable and experienced person. Entering the course of the general defense devastation, he slowly began to patch holes and make up for losses. The process of further collapse of the army and the jailing military was stopped fleet. The links of military management have recovered. Fighting training has improved. The material support of the troops has improved. Active re-equipment and development of promising military equipment began. Changed for the better and much more. After internal defeat and losses incurred, the army gradually began to take on a modern combat form. Although, of course, not one that was once the legendary and invincible.

And one more, in our opinion, very important clarification. Speaking about the post-war situation and the situation in the army, one should bear in mind not the period after 1945 of the year, but a much smaller period of time. Conventionally, its beginning can be designated as the date of the collapse of the USSR. We are talking about military conflicts within the Russian Federation and on its borders. It would be incorrect to recall the events of the Soviet times today, since at that time there existed two opposing powerful world systems. The military, political, economic and other possibilities of the Soviet Union, about a dozen socialist countries and more than three dozen countries of socialization are incomparable with the current resources of Russia and its allies. Not even remembering that the military-economic component has disappeared - the Warsaw Pact and the economic union in the form of the CMEA. Therefore, when we argue about the danger of the third world in times of the Caribbean crisis and try to make some comparisons with current events, we must bear in mind that these are largely incomparable situations. If they have something in common, this is that the risks of a nuclear missile war are equally high. Although here the military-strategic situation is fundamentally different. Then the Americans accused us of creating a real threat to them by placing their missiles near their borders. So to speak, for a shot at the support. Now, other arguments are at stake against us - someone seems to be poisoned Creak, someone seems to have spilled chlorine and other in Syria, incomparable by the threats and scale of the event. In general, all the time, the Healy Likely.

This is a small, not pretending to exhaustive coverage of all aspects of our defense capability, a common premise for further reflection on whether the Russians are ready for war. For the whole world, we are all Russians who live in Russia. Despite the national, historical, cultural, religious and other differences. Although we already became accustomed to the collective name - the Russians.

So are we ready with weapons in the hands of defending their Fatherland, their small homeland, family, children, the land on which they were born and live? Its independence and peaceful sky overhead. And much more that such words are difficult to describe. And to answer this question honestly it is necessary for everyone first and foremost to himself. After that our collective “I” will be formed.

We are missing in the ranks of eight ...

For those who are wearing shoulder straps, the question of the readiness to fight was answered by the head of the Russian General Staff, Army General V. Gerasimov. He reported that the army was ready for war. And not only in Syria. And this is the only correct answer for a real officer. As is known, the army exists in two basic states: it is either fighting or preparing to fight. No other is given.

But, as the classic pointed out, war is a continuation of politics, only in other, violent ways. In addition, war, especially a big war or, that look, a world war is a nationwide affair. In addition to the redistribution of all the country's resources in the military interests, the war significantly depletes human reserves. For example, during the 1 World War I period in the Russian Empire, 20 appeals of almost all ages were provided for under the law on military service. In 1945, the Red Army ended the war, with more than 11 and a half million people under arms. These people for years were pulled out of the economic and social cycle. They were replaced by teenagers, old men and women. We are now even in peacetime, increasing problems with labor reserves. The population is aging. The new “demographic hole” is worrying about the decline in the number of able-bodied young people. But this is also the future recruits or contract servicemen of the Russian Armed Forces.

Today, our army has a little more than 1 million military personnel. Is it a lot or a little? Once, Defense Minister P. Grachev reported to President B. Yeltsin that the army could not be reduced to less than one and a half million people. Under the law on defense, the size of the army should have been 1% of the population. Then it was the same 1,5 million people in the ranks. Grachev substantiated his point of view. Otherwise, he cited his calculations, the troops would not be enough even to cover our very long land borders. Not convinced. The winners were those who already then 20 years ago called the optimally acceptable army size in 800 thousand people. The commanders of that time did not understand such cardinal plans of military reform, and in many respects did not perceive them. It is understandable. After all, in their memory, the army, however, is different from a country that no longer exists, and by the year 1992 there were about 3,8 million people.

Recently I came across an interesting article about private security guards in the Russian Federation. They, it turns out, we have about 2,6 million people in all non-state structures. According to our estimates, this is significantly more than the total number of servicemen of the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and, possibly, the greater part of other Russian security agencies. However, every cloud has a silver lining. During the crisis period, security guards can be considered as a prepared reserve for replenishing the army.

Are everyone ready to fight today?

The question is not idle. And it occurs, not only in connection with the existing cases of draft evasion. We have, by the way, for years 20 legally provided for the possibility of alternative civilian service instead of military conscription. The list of positions for “alternatives” on the 2018 year indicates the 104 professions. It is impressive that this list includes 13 doctors of different specializations, 7 nurses of different profiles, and also 4 other medical professions. One gets the impression that there is something wrong with people's health.

There are a lot of people discharged for medical reasons. By the way, in the 1917 year, when the situation with the call became critical, A. Kerensky ordered to re-examine 200 of thousands of “white ticket veterans” and most of them were found fit for service. How reliable is such a replenishment, which either cannot or does not want to fight - an open question. Far from anyone who has found himself on the front line in uniform and with a weapon becomes a staunch fighter and a reliable defender of the Motherland.

And this is despite the fact that the Russian army was traditionally considered and remains one of the most powerful armies in the world. If you look through the pages of military history, it is easy to make sure that our warriors for centuries have always been considered among the best and most persistent in battle. Not every army, even major powers, have such a “portfolio”.

How are things going now? Immediately hardly anyone will give a precise answer. This will require not only to study and monitor public opinion in all segments of the population. We need to understand for ourselves what kind of personnel and reserve needs exist in order to compare it with real possibilities in terms of human resources. Are you ready to join the ranks of the defenders of the Motherland, for example, the rich and simply wealthy Russians? With what mood will those who live below the poverty line wear a military uniform? And such, by different calculations from 20 to 22 million people. Are current retirees, who are barely making ends meet, ready to once again become machine tools at work in wartime? No money, but they hold on. As well as "young" military pensioners from among the contract soldiers of the private and non-commissioned officers. Including women military servicemen who retired and who receive full service every month within 10 thousand rubles, even after recent indexation. This is about the same as social pensions for those who, for various reasons, scored only the minimum length of service and points. It should be borne in mind that this category of military retirees is deprived of departmental medical care, unlike officers and warrant officers. Despite the fact that they serve in the same ranks and often carry out combat and official tasks together. It is unlikely that such a prospect stimulates and attracts recruits. Moreover, to get a retirement pension, you now need to serve at least 25 years in the ranks.

There is more to ponder. For example, will Russian-speaking people from the CIS countries take up arms for the sake of defending Russia? Answers to these and many other questions should be addressed today, without expecting military adversity. But such posing questions arise a lot. I want to believe that in their respective departments the statesmen know the exact answers to them.

Officers - the basis of any army

It is a historical fact that our country did not enter fully prepared in any of the wars. And all the great victories were given at the cost of incredible exertion of all the forces and capabilities multiplied by the heroism and courage of the soldiers and officers. Lack of organization, blasphemy and Russian "perhaps blown by" turned into innumerable material and human losses. Take, for example, officer shots. At the start of World War 1, the Russian Imperial Army consisted of 150 thousands of well-trained regular officers. With the receipt of the first officer's rank, a person immediately acquired a personal nobility and entered the upper class of the empire.

However, during the first 2 years of the war, the vast majority of them were killed or injured. They were replaced by wartime officers - warrant officers from raznochintsy, who were trained by the 3-4 of the month and sent into battle. The platoon or half company commander usually fought 1-2 for a week, and then either died in battle or went to hospital with a wound. In any case, the officer was out of action. Approximately the same statistics took place during the 2 World War II. An officer in a war is a deadly profession.

The backbone of the modern officer corps of the Russian Armed Forces is made up of those who studied at military schools and graduated from the army at the end of the 1990s - the beginning of the 2000s. They survived, relatively speaking, something like a birth injury. A great power fell apart before their eyes. They saw with their own eyes the 1990's catastrophe. Many were more or less affected by the default 1998 of the year. In their eyes, an unfair voucher withdrawal of huge tangible assets created by their fathers and grandfathers took place. In many respects, they personally experienced periods of the half-starter existence of officers and their families. They saw the destruction of the country's military might, the foundations of the army, including the officer training system. The profession of the defender of the Motherland has become undervalued and poorly paid.

And all this in bright contrast to the newly acquired domestic billionaires and millionaires, owners of banks, factories and ships. Are they all ready to give their lives for all this? Perhaps such sociological and socio-psychological studies are conducted. But, judging by the fact that recently there have been publications about the need for political workers to return to the ranks, the work on strengthening the morale of servicemen needs to be strengthened. Although we all know many examples of heroism in our day, not only our officers, but also other military servicemen and conscripts. Only for courage and heroism in battles in Syria more than 14 thousand people were awarded orders and medals. But all this was manifested in local military conflicts. And for the "big war" will require massive heroism.

To fight for an idea or for money?

The question looks somewhat simplistic and schematic. After all, those who fight for ideological motives also receive a monetary allowance; they are paid combat rewards. Any contract soldier or conscript must clearly and unambiguously understand why he must go into battle, risking his life. But to fight only for money - this is pure mercenary.

Although, as is known from military history, money is not the main incentive in a war. Although used at all times to encourage distinguished. In ancient Rome, for example, for the victories in battles and the taking of fortresses, various values ​​and money were distributed as rewards. And during World War II, premiums were paid for a downed aircraft, a wounded tank, the destruction of a sniper and other differences. But money is not needed at the front. Usually, soldiers and officers tried to somehow transport them to the rear of their relatives and friends.

Therefore, the national idea is the first principle of success in everything: in battles with enemies, in strengthening the economy, in preserving social stability and raising the standard of living of the people. But if it is necessary to base the unifying and mobilizing idea, then how is it formulated for modern Russia? And is it today in the mass consciousness and in what form? Does the army accept it and the absolute majority of the population? Does it have the same meaning for both rich and poor Russians? Do our young people share ideological goals and views? These questions, in our opinion, are rather difficult to answer immediately. But this must be done, moreover, urgently, before large-scale military actions by Western countries led by the United States against Russia. Tomorrow it may be too late. The events of recent days show that the overall situation is developing in the direction of the escalation of large-scale military, international, commercial and other confrontation between the two superpowers. And the reasons for this are already indicated by the United States and their Western allies in a rather serious form.

For example, a serious struggle for the Arctic begins. Americans are already making their claims to the Northern Sea Route, which for centuries has been considered an internal affair of the Russian state. There are claims to the Arctic territories and a number of northern European countries. Scientists predict that in the foreseeable future wars will be fought for food and fresh drinking water resources. In this regard, the enormous natural resources of a sparsely populated Siberia and the Far East, as well as freshwater Baikal, will become a “tidbit” not only for our opponents, but also for neighboring states.

All modern defense strategies of Russia should take into account not only these, but many other, possibly still emerging, threats and military dangers. It would be short-sighted to respond only to contemporary challenges and provocations, losing the strategic perspective. As events in Ukraine show, our strategic omissions play against us. In 2014, there were expectations of Russian-speaking residents of some eastern regions of our neighbor's decision to join Russia after the Crimea. Of course, if a referendum had also been held there, the issue of reunification would have been easier. Analysts at the time reported such trends in almost 10 Ukrainian regions. Yes, and for us it would be strategically important to preserve ground communications for the livelihood of the Crimea. And the sanctions, most likely, would be the same as now. Today, this prospect of reunification seems increasingly distant and many times more difficult to accomplish than 4 a year ago. A super-expensive almost 20-kilometer bridge to Russia is extremely vulnerable militarily.

To be continued ...
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  1. nikoliski
    nikoliski April 21 2018 05: 43
    +78
    You will restore faith in yourself to people and even pretend that you care about them, then they will go to fight for you, and if the current people are driven into trenches (it doesn’t matter against anyone, well, for example against the Turks), I doubt very much that they’ll shout like Great Patriotic War Putin cheers! For united Russia! if I die, then consider me a United Russia! is it funny? certainly funny
    1. Separ DNR
      Separ DNR April 21 2018 06: 18
      +44
      As events in Ukraine show, our strategic omissions play against us. In 2014, there were expectations of Russian-speaking residents of some eastern regions of our neighbor’s decision to join Russia after Crimea. Of course, if a referendum had also been held there, the issue of reunification would have been easier to resolve. Analysts of the time reported such trends in almost 10 Ukrainian regions. And it would be strategically important for us to maintain land communications for the life support of Crimea. And the sanctions would most likely be the same as now. Today, this prospect of reunification seems increasingly distant and many times more difficult to achieve than 4 years ago.

      More than a sober assessment.
      For us, the mention of a missed chance and time (for the most part for reasons generally NOT beyond our control) is like polystyrene on glass ...
      1. Bo Yari
        Bo Yari April 21 2018 10: 41
        +5
        You will still be returned to Ukraine, the other way is not even discussed. What will you do then? Fill Russia? will not work. You have to think where and when to run.
        1. konstantin68
          konstantin68 April 21 2018 11: 19
          +5
          You worry about yourself, there is nothing to worry about others! Somehow ...
        2. Declarant
          Declarant April 22 2018 01: 23
          +1
          Just take a look. Something may be delayed. You are taught history very well.
    2. antivirus
      antivirus April 21 2018 08: 40
      +7
      ABOUT FAITH IN MYSELF:
      Therefore, the national idea is the fundamental principle of success in everything: in battles with enemies, in strengthening the economy, in maintaining social stability and raising the standard of living of the people. But if a unifying and mobilizing idea must be taken as the basis, then how is it formulated for modern Russia? And is it today in the mass consciousness and in what form?
      EVERYTHING BEGINS FROM THE TEACHER KIDS SADIK
      1. Separ DNR
        Separ DNR April 21 2018 08: 54
        +26
        Quote: antivirus
        EVERYTHING BEGINS FROM THE TEACHER KIDS SADIK

        It all starts with MOM DAD ...
        1. antivirus
          antivirus April 21 2018 08: 59
          +4
          see the number of hours with mom-dad and in kindergarten - 9-10 kindergarten and 14-15 at home with mp
          and most communication more often, now the kindergarten team !!!
          surprisingly
          1. Separ DNR
            Separ DNR April 21 2018 09: 50
            +36
            Quote: antivirus
            most communication more often, now in the collective kindergarten

            Look here: I, the “Soviet product,” fighting for the DPR, and a similar “product”, grown up at the same time with me in the same SOVIET kindergarten, grew up in a stubborn Natsik, and is fighting against me.
            But in the kindergarten and further in the school, ALL of us were taught the same thing ...

            Family, here is the foundation.
            1. Gato
              Gato April 21 2018 10: 11
              +10
              grown up at the same time with me in the same SOVIET kindergarten

              Stalin's mistake with the amnesty of Bandera in 1955, Apparently, they went to work in the SOVIET kindergartens.
              But seriously, it really is amazing where so many Svidomo m.r.a.s.
              1. Separ DNR
                Separ DNR April 21 2018 10: 17
                +18
                Quote: Gato
                it is really amazing where so many Svidomo m.r.a.zi got out

                I’m saying, FAMILY ... It was just in it, including the bandera-minors who were amnestied in the 50s, that they multiplied, and “fell” into the subcortex of their children: “Bandera is a hero” ...
                1. Gato
                  Gato April 21 2018 10: 24
                  +3
                  I say FAMILY

                  Yes, but there is still an ideological (sorry for the expression) emptiness, which is filled with all kinds of indecency. Nevertheless, the "path to Europe", "visa-free travel" and other nonsense - this is not the goal, that’s why Ragul Nazism is coming out to replace it.
                2. Nikitin
                  Nikitin April 21 2018 13: 10
                  +4
                  Quote: Separ DNR
                  I’m saying, FAMILY ... It was just in it, including the bandera-minors who were amnestied in the 50s, that they multiplied, and “fell” into the subcortex of their children: “Bandera is a hero” ...

                  And what idea did the idea to create the so-called Ukraine, "and even join New Russia to it?
                  This is the root of evil in creating Ukraine. . In the families of Voronezh, Bandera did not grow ...
                3. VB
                  VB April 21 2018 19: 23
                  +1
                  Disgusting education. No books have been read. Vysotsky "Ballad of the struggle" did not listen.
              2. Bechtin
                Bechtin April 21 2018 10: 43
                +23
                Stalin died in 1953, freed Bandera maize. laid the foundation for the collapse of the country (created a caste of untouchables)
              3. 97110
                97110 April 21 2018 10: 54
                +11
                Quote: Gato
                Stalin's mistake with the amnesty of Bandera in 1955

                You are joking? Or just hate Stalin so that you can’t eat directly? Stalin died in 1953. And the affairs of 1955 are the affairs of Nikita the Wonderworker.
                1. Gato
                  Gato April 24 2018 20: 53
                  +1
                  Hate Stalin so that you can’t eat directly

                  Yes, I went nuts with the date. But the amnesty began even under Stalin, the bald maize brought it to the end. And personally comrade I consider Stalin the greatest man of the XNUMXth century. Not a villain, not a demigod - just the greatest man.
                  1. 97110
                    97110 April 25 2018 05: 26
                    +1
                    Quote: Gato
                    But amnesty began under Stalin

                    I doubt that Stalin was preparing such a diversion against the country. A purely miraculous approach is seen in implementation. Stalin could give the idea, but Nikitina’s affairs.
                    1. Gato
                      Gato April 25 2018 18: 16
                      0
                      On February 14, 1944, an appeal was issued by the Government of the Ukrainian SSR “To the participants of the so-called UPA and UNRA”, who, in the event of voluntary surrender, promised an amnesty for those who did not commit serious crimes.

                      I doubt that in 1944 such an appeal could have come out without the knowledge of Stalin.
              4. Fedor1
                Fedor1 April 21 2018 11: 57
                +6
                Khrushchev and not Stalin, but Khrushchev and all subsequent from Ukraine
              5. beeper
                beeper April 21 2018 15: 18
                +2
                Comrade Gato, Stalin’s mistake was in the non-guaranteed (in the form of autonomy of 20-30-40 years) accession of Western Ukraine to the Ukrainian SSR.
                And with the 1955 non-selective amnesty, this was Nikita Kukuruznik, a companion of the sight, but not personally repenting, because Joseph Stalin passed away in March 1953!
              6. serge siberian
                serge siberian April 21 2018 17: 59
                +2
                Stalin died in 1953 in the spring. And the amnesty for this .... mmmm .. the layer was ordered by Khrushchev. hi
              7. Gennadich
                Gennadich April 22 2018 00: 17
                0
                there is nothing surprising here, they handed this hatred from generation to generation with mother’s milk and in tihari .. in the USSR try to pop out
              8. Captain45
                Captain45 April 22 2018 12: 24
                +1
                Quote: Gato
                Stalin's mistake with the amnesty of Bandera in 1955, Apparently, they went to work in the SOVIET kindergartens.

                Khu-khu-khu, already choked, reading out this lumpy statement. Nothing Comrade Stalin, according to the official version, passed away 5 March 1953 year and to the amnesty of Bandera’s declared by you in 1955, well, just physically could not have anything to do with it. request Unless, of course, Khrushchev from the next world through a saucer did not call belay People, when you write comments, well, at least think a little with your head that you write. Sadness crying
                1. Gato
                  Gato April 25 2018 18: 24
                  0
                  And you read the primary sources:
                  On February 14, 1944, an appeal was issued by the Government of the Ukrainian SSR “To the participants of the so-called UPA and UNRA”, who, in the event of voluntary surrender, promised an amnesty for those who did not commit serious crimes.
              9. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 April 22 2018 14: 13
                +2
                Quote: Gato
                Stalin's mistake with the amnesty of Bandera in 1955,

                Stalin died in 1953.
                1. Gato
                  Gato April 24 2018 20: 57
                  0
                  The beginning of the amnesty was still under Stalin. See published data of the NKGB 1945-1947. in Ukraine.
              10. stivev
                stivev April 23 2018 07: 34
                +1
                Do you even know that in 55 Stalin was no longer there?
                1. Gato
                  Gato April 24 2018 20: 58
                  +1
                  Yes I know. Wrong. Excuse me.
                  1. Vanek
                    Vanek April 26 2018 07: 55
                    +1
                    Quote: Gato
                    Wrong.


                    It happens.

                    Quote: Gato
                    Excuse me.


                    Accepted.

                    hi
              11. ziqzaq
                ziqzaq April 23 2018 07: 46
                +1
                Quote: Gato
                Stalin's mistake with the amnesty of Bandera in 1955,

                Stalin died in 1953 on March 5 ....
              12. Barbus
                Barbus April 23 2018 14: 34
                +1
                Stalin died in 1953. So who amnestied everyone?
              13. Vanek
                Vanek April 24 2018 06: 24
                +1
                Quote: Gato
                Stalin's mistake with the amnesty of Bandera in 1955


                By the 55th of Stalin, two years had already been gone.
                1. Gato
                  Gato April 25 2018 18: 20
                  0
                  On February 14, 1944, an appeal was issued by the Government of the Ukrainian SSR “To the participants of the so-called UPA and UNRA”, who, in the event of voluntary surrender, promised an amnesty for those who did not commit serious crimes.

                  Tired of copy-paste already, honestly.
              14. Sinbad
                Sinbad April 24 2018 13: 11
                0
                In 1955, Stalin was gone, all the questions to Khrushchev!
              15. PSih2097
                PSih2097 April 24 2018 20: 35
                0
                Quote: Gato
                Stalin's mistake with the amnesty of Bandera in 1955,

                Do not Drive to Stalin, teach history, or use Google ...
                Stalin died on March 5, 1953, and Khrushchev Bandera amnestied ...
                1. Gato
                  Gato April 25 2018 18: 18
                  0
                  On February 14, 1944, an appeal was issued by the Government of the Ukrainian SSR “To the participants of the so-called UPA and UNRA”, who, in the event of voluntary surrender, promised an amnesty for those who did not commit serious crimes.
                  1. PSih2097
                    PSih2097 April 25 2018 18: 30
                    0
                    I had to read on ...
                    It said:
                    “In the name of the Government of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, we guarantee all the participants of the so-called“ UPA ”or“ UNRA ”that will sincerely and completely stop all struggle and hostile actions against the Red Army and Soviet Power, forgiveness of their grave mistake, their past guilt before Homeland. "

                    On November 27, 1944, the Presidium of the Supreme Council, the Council of People's Commissars of the Ukrainian SSR and the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Bolsheviks adopted the appeal “To the Population of the Western Regions of the Ukrainian SSR”, which again guaranteed complete forgiveness to all who “abandon nationalist gangs and return to peaceful labor.” [45 ] On May 19, 1945, another appeal was published “To the Workers, Peasants, and Intellectuals of the Western Regions of Ukraine” with a proposal
                    “To the participants of nationalist gangs ... to repent and honestly atone for their guilt before the Ukrainian people. Not wanting to shed blood in vain ... The Government of Soviet Ukraine will forgive them their participation in gang groups. "

                    These appeals were broadcast on the radio, were published in all regional and district newspapers in the western regions, in the form of leaflets and posters distributed in villages, hung out in public places, at market squares and at intersections. In addition, leaflets with the text of appeals were scattered from airplanes over forests in places where nationalist gangs were likely to be based.

                    Business argued: if in 1944 the agent apparatus in the region consisted of 725 agents, then in 1945 it was already 1200, and in 1946 - 2249 agents. Thanks to the information received from the “unconquered heroes” captured or confessed, when they are in bulk and they handed over to the Chekists their guides and “zverkhnykivs” at retail, indicated the locations of “caches” and “krivioks”, and operational-military groups conducted many successful operations.
                    Taking into account, on the one hand, the ever increasing confession, the zeal of those captured and who went underground during interrogations, and on the other, their wide connections and comprehensive knowledge of the tactics, locations and conspiratorial orders of the “brothers in arms”, the leadership of the NKVD of the Ukrainian SSR decides to use the "repentant" Bandera not only as agents, but also create special-purpose combat groups from them.
                2. Gato
                  Gato April 25 2018 18: 22
                  0
                  teach a story, or use google ..

                  Same to you.
            2. Antares
              Antares April 21 2018 11: 56
              +2
              Quote: Separ DNR
              I, the “Soviet product”, are fighting for the DPR, and a similar “product”, grown up at the same time as me in the same SOVIET kindergarten, grew up in a stubborn Natsik, and is fighting against me

              absolutely everyone who is fighting against you, "stubborn Natsik"? I don’t think so. The dividing line of fire is divided into “Good” and “Bad” for each side.
              And on this side are exactly the same as you. Only for Ukraine. With a Soviet education and even a worldview. And behavior.
              But on the other side of the front.
              1. Ruudi 34
                Ruudi 34 April 21 2018 13: 28
                +4
                Well do not. And with one and the other has long been no longer "Soviet" ...
              2. rexby63
                rexby63 April 21 2018 14: 28
                +8
                And under the banner of Stepka Bandera? Do not make laugh, and you will not be funny.
              3. Tolyamba Zamkadsky
                Tolyamba Zamkadsky April 21 2018 16: 59
                +2
                Well, I don’t know how much you are "exactly the same" .. For example, with the logic of the Ukrainians, the situation is completely unsettled.
              4. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 April 22 2018 14: 18
                0
                Quote: Antares
                With a Soviet education and even a worldview. And behavior.
                But on the other side of the front.

                The Pawnee Indians also fought for their happiness on the side of the pale-faced against their Sioux, Dakota, who grew up in the same lodge, with the same education, laughing .... Here are some Ukrainians likened to the Indians, and still get their smallpox blankets
            3. Украинец
              Украинец April 21 2018 14: 47
              +9
              Bro. Even in Soviet times there were traitors and other bad people. There has always been and will be a percentage of such people. They all sang the Soviet anthem at school, were pioneers and Komsomol members. But then they became traitors. They even went against their families.
              So much depends on the person himself
            4. zoolu350
              zoolu350 April 22 2018 16: 11
              +2
              You're not right. You and the banderlog fighting against you grew up in the Soviet system. Then, as a result of the betrayal, your reference system was replaced by the enemy, because you, thanks to your parents, did not become an adherent of the enemy system, a special case. For the family is not able to withstand the system of forming views (ideology). What we observe in the territory of the former Ukraine.
        2. 210ox
          210ox April 21 2018 14: 53
          +2
          Yes, that’s true. But this is a complex issue. So what patriotic mom-dad will present is broken up by our education, the media, and just the situation around
          Quote: Separ DNR
          Quote: antivirus
          EVERYTHING BEGINS FROM THE TEACHER KIDS SADIK

          It all starts with MOM DAD ...
          1. antivirus
            antivirus April 21 2018 19: 24
            0
            Strange to read all the analysis of the meaning of life
            begins, but it’s not 100% predetermined and not the fact that this “begins in kindergarten” is the main message-installation in life + whether everything is correctly put into the subconscious mind - it's not psychologists. but just kind aunts, girls
        3. chicken 96
          chicken 96 April 21 2018 20: 52
          +1
          Yeah, if mom-dad was able to earn dough.
          ...... I remember myself, and my thoughts, after returning in 1996 from a hot spot in the Caucasus home. Seeing how thug kids ride beautiful girls on cool cars, I had mixed feelings.
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS April 21 2018 12: 54
        +21
        Quote: antivirus
        EVERYTHING BEGINS FROM THE TEACHER KIDS SADIK

        To paraphrase ... TEACHERS ARE WINING WAR, so Bismarck said. And I think this is very true.
        We need a clear ideology for the people. Thanks to the ideology of the USSR, he won the Second World War. And when the soldier went on the attack with a cry - For the Motherland! For Stalin! , at that moment he did not think about the apartment, the car, the rest in the Maldives.
        Children of 10 years old, standing on two drawers, working in factories in three shifts, grinding blanks for shells. Women, old people and children in Leningrad dug ditches and shelters, ran around the floors looking for incendiary bombs. This is ideology and the desire to live.
        1. your1970
          your1970 April 23 2018 10: 10
          0
          Quote: NEXUS
          We need a clear ideology for the people. Thanks to the ideology of the USSR, he won the Second World War. And when the soldier went on the attack with a cry - For the Motherland! For Stalin! , at that moment he did not think about the apartment, the car, the rest in the Maldives.
          - and then the war was a little different, no? Will NATO advance with tank columns from sea to sea?
          And what ideology is needed - to cover the capital of NATO (and a couple more for the company, so to speak) with a nuclear weapons strike? Or do you think that there will be new ones - the battle of Dubno, Smolensk, Yelnya? What will be necessary for soldiers to go in bayonet attacks?
          Look HOW now fighting in the world (including the Donbass) - "positions attacked up to 2 infantry units supported by a tank" ...
          Guderian would have shot himself immediately from such attacks ...
          All APU forces would be enough for 100 days during the Second World War
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS April 23 2018 10: 17
            +1
            Quote: your1970
            - and then the war was a little different, no? Will NATO advance with tank columns from sea to sea?

            And what about tank columns? If there were no ideology, the USSR would be crushed and Hitler would have reached the Urals.
            You dear confuse the tactics of war with ideology. A man must know why he can give his life, and why he must defend the existence of his homeland. Ideology in Russia was under the tsars and the USSR.
            1. your1970
              your1970 April 23 2018 18: 34
              0
              1)
              Quote: NEXUS
              And what about tank columns? If there were no ideology, the USSR would be crushed and Hitler would have reached the Urals.
              - and how did ideology help - when SUDDENLY it turned out that there were no troops on the way to Moscow AT ALL? when the carriers of this ideology (party apparatus) escaped from Moscow — did it stand smoke from the soles? By the way, they pushed the idea “with little blood on someone else’s territory !!” (this formula is also one of the constituent parts of the ideology operating at that time) ...
              And by the way, if
              Quote: NEXUS
              Ideology in Russia was under the tsars and the USSR.
              - then where did you get it - that it’s the same as with the kings and the USSR. - not now? "For the Fatherland!" - so to speak?
      3. Ruudi 34
        Ruudi 34 April 22 2018 07: 05
        0
        Yeltsin and the company filed such a "national idea" in the early 90's I remember. It sounded like: "Adore yourself ... understand .." Well - we follow this course.
    3. Ruudi 34
      Ruudi 34 April 21 2018 09: 38
      +1
      So pretense is just more than enough .. and people see.
    4. the most important
      the most important April 21 2018 15: 23
      +22
      Quote: nikoliski
      Cheers for Putin! For united Russia! if I die, then consider me a United Russia! is it funny? certainly funny

      The correct article. There are a million problems and half of them are simply hushed up. It’s actually worse. In the event of a real conflict, it seems to me that some of the great and proud republics will leave Russia. Only Russians and peoples who have adopted the Russian mentality will defend the country. And those who "cheer for Putin !!" they won’t go to the trenches. They sit on their planes, load their dogs and dump them in their houses and villas into the enemy’s den. Yes, and they will tell you about everything that the enemy does not need to know. Officers and soldiers are fighting for their homeland, not for rulers. With such a stratification of society into a handful of living oligarchs and 20 million beggars + another 25 million balancers, it is impossible to create a unified army and an effective labor front. The economy is on its knees and rebuild it only by hanging noodles on the ears.
      1. Ruudi 34
        Ruudi 34 April 28 2018 05: 31
        0
        "Officers and soldiers are fighting for their homeland, not for rulers." - maybe "SHOULD fight for the homeland"? The Russian army receives new weapons for beautiful eyes, you think? Or what would the children, looking at this, write in the comments: "We’ll kill everyone ... oooh ... aaa .... yyy"?
    5. staviator
      staviator April 21 2018 17: 13
      +6
      Quote: nikoliski
      I doubt very much that they will shout like in the Great Patriotic War, Cheers for Putin! For united Russia! if I die, then consider me a United Russia! is it funny? certainly funny

      Of course, they won’t shout, but remember the 70s. Then they said that the youth was not the same, they exchanged boogie-woogie for their homeland, but Afghanistan came, thousands of heroes-boys, 86 heroes of the USSR, then there was Chechnya and again the obedient youth showed itself. with her own bodies, saving her colleagues at the cost of her own life, thousands of heroes died without changing their faith in Islam. Heroes are and will be, regardless of the government.
      1. andrey_liss
        andrey_liss April 23 2018 18: 16
        +1
        You are deeply mistaken in your judgments.
        1. Do not put Afghanistan and Ichkeria on a par.
        2. In war, for the idea, only the commissar fights from the company, the rest for surviving. Because they were all brought to the place and said - there is the enemy - forward, but on the other hand the same thing, do you declare yourself a pacifist ?.
    6. RaptorF22
      RaptorF22 April 22 2018 00: 03
      +2
      Or maybe it’s better to change yours to people, but how the war so immediately Forward for the Tsar, Father Urya laughing how to give rights at least to cop so immediately savages special mentality td stop
  2. Kleber
    Kleber April 21 2018 06: 13
    +4
    Russians are never ready for war. And the result?
    1. Separ DNR
      Separ DNR April 21 2018 06: 26
      +11
      Quote: Kleber
      Russians are never ready for war. And the result?

      Victory in the Second World War, do not dispute. But starting to drive the enemy from the walls of Moscow and from the Volga, the “Russian Muther,” is nothing ...

      Well, at least, such a degree of readiness so that you can restrain the enemy at the borders. Do not let it inland.
      1. apro
        apro April 21 2018 07: 49
        +17
        Quote: Separ DNR
        Victory in the Second World War, do not dispute.

        What does today's Russia have to do with the victory of the Soviet people in the Second World War?
        1. Gato
          Gato April 21 2018 08: 36
          +15
          The same as modern Italians to the ancient Romans. Well, or like Putin-to Stalin.
          1. Kleber
            Kleber April 21 2018 08: 57
            +4
            Quote: Gato
            The same as modern Italians to the ancient Romans. Well, or like Putin-to Stalin.


            The same as you to the person.
            1. Gato
              Gato April 21 2018 09: 20
              +11
              And you - to an intelligent person
        2. freddyk
          freddyk April 21 2018 12: 15
          +10
          Has no relationship, but persistently sticks. It looks ridiculous. The Victory Day parade especially hurts when Soviet banners go next to the banner of the ROA. And the symbol of the ROA St. George’s ribbon replaced our Guards.

          what does today's Russia have to do with the victory of the Soviet people in WWII
          1. Barbus
            Barbus April 23 2018 14: 39
            0
            Did the ROA invent the ribbon and tricolor of St. George?
            1. freddyk
              freddyk April 24 2018 19: 47
              0
              So the fascists did not come up with a swastika.
        3. Nikitin
          Nikitin April 21 2018 13: 54
          +6
          Quote: apro
          What does today's Russia have to do with the victory of the Soviet people in the Second World War?

          The most direct. For the sake of her existence Russian people fought in WWII, WWII, OV 1812 and HUNDREDS of other wars.
          Enlighten, by the way, who is related to the Victory, if not Russia? Пa capital letter, by the way.
        4. AsKet84
          AsKet84 April 23 2018 20: 13
          0
          Direct! Like the heroes of Shipka or Port Arthur to the heroes and antiheroes of two Patriotic or three .. (1812.1914-1917,41-45.)
      2. zoolu350
        zoolu350 April 22 2018 16: 18
        +1
        But for this it is necessary to beat the enemy at distant approaches, creating conflicts and problems at its borders, which the Russian oligarchy categorically does not want to do.
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 21 2018 06: 39
      +15
      Quote: Kleber
      Russians are never ready for war. And the result?

      as a rule, we are not ready for anything, neither for war, nor for a large harvest, nor for winter, nor for the heating season ... as we survive, only History knows ...
      1. Separ DNR
        Separ DNR April 21 2018 06: 49
        +18
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        how to survive, one story is known ...


        It’s like in the proverb “The sailor has such a fate, all his life to fight for vitality”
        And we survive, for the most part, not thanks, but contrary to yes . Is the mentality like that? recourse Or karma, her mother ...
        1. Gato
          Gato April 21 2018 08: 47
          +1
          Is the mentality like that?

          Not, rather, a way of forming the ruling "elite". When it is formed according to the principle of the rat king, then everything turns out. And when according to the principle of pop-up d-ma - then yes, karma request
      2. evil partisan
        evil partisan April 21 2018 08: 45
        +3
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        as a rule, we are not ready for anything, neither for war, nor for a large harvest, nor for winter, nor for the heating season.

        And especially - to fishing: we don’t dig up worms, then we forget the vodka at home. Yes, Colleague? wink
        Hi spiteful! drinks
    3. rkkasa xnumx
      rkkasa xnumx April 21 2018 07: 58
      +7
      Quote: Kleber
      Russians are never ready for war. And the result?

      Well, for example, the lost Crimean War, Russian-Japanese; to put it mildly, not very successful World War I.
      1. 72jora72
        72jora72 April 21 2018 08: 10
        0
        Well, for example, the lost Crimean War,
        Controversial statement, refresh the results of this war.
        1. Gato
          Gato April 21 2018 08: 40
          +4
          What is controversial and what are the results? The results then came around during the Balkan wars - the straits never took
        2. rkkasa xnumx
          rkkasa xnumx April 21 2018 08: 50
          +3
          Quote: 72jora72
          Controversial statement, refresh the results of this war.

          You need to refresh.
          1. Gato
            Gato April 21 2018 09: 29
            +8
            Refreshing, in short:
            "After the signing of the peace agreement in Paris, Russia lost power over the Black Sea, patronage of states such as Serbia, Wallachia and Moldova. Russia was banned from military construction in the Baltic. However, thanks to Russian diplomacy, after the end of the Crimean War, Russia did not suffer large territorial losses."
            If "did not suffer large territorial losses" - this is a victory, well then request
            1. rkkasa xnumx
              rkkasa xnumx April 21 2018 10: 40
              +4
              Quote: Gato
              "After the signing of the peace agreement in Paris, Russia lost power over the Black Sea, patronage of states such as Serbia, Wallachia and Moldova. Russia was banned from military construction in the Baltic. However, thanks to Russian diplomacy, after the end of the Crimean War, Russia did not suffer large territorial losses."

              Plus, a serious financial upset due to the war, which was one of the factors that prompted the decision to sell Alaska. For instance :
              the idea of ​​selling North American possessions was voiced in March 1857 by Grand Duke Konstantin Romanov. Citing the "cramped state of public finances" after the Crimean War and the difficulties in reducing the budget of the Ministry of the Sea..
        3. Antares
          Antares April 21 2018 12: 04
          +2
          Quote: 72jora72
          Well, for example, the lost Crimean War,
          Controversial statement, refresh the results of this war.

          the conditions dictated by Russia were difficult. She ceded the southern part of Bessarabia to Turkey and returned Kars to her. The Allies, in turn, returned to Russia Sevastopol and other conquered cities. Russia renounced its demand for the transfer of the Orthodox subjects of the Ottoman Empire under its special protection and agreed with the principle of sovereignty and integrity of the Ottoman Empire. Moldova, Wallachia and Serbia remained under the sovereignty of the Turkish Sultan, a collective protectorate of the great powers was recognized over them (why are you not KFOR forces in Kosovo?). Merchant ships on the Danube became free, and the Black Sea became neutral. Russia and Turkey were forbidden to have a navy in the Black Sea and naval bases. Russia, in addition, was prohibited from strengthening the Aland Islands in the Baltic. Turkey has achieved confirmation of the prohibition of passage through the Bosphorus and Dardanelles in peacetime warships of all countries.
          The Paris Peace Treaty weakened the international influence of Russia in Europe and in Eastern affairs, led to an even greater aggravation of the so-called Eastern question, facilitated the further expansion of the Western powers in the Middle East.
          And only thanks to Germany (Franco-German war) was it possible to unilaterally eliminate the Paris Peace Treaty
          1. Z_G_R
            Z_G_R April 21 2018 15: 29
            +2
            It is believed that we do not really know anything about those events, only what we are allowed to know. And how it really was unknown there. Perhaps we lost more than we think.
    4. Gato
      Gato April 21 2018 08: 04
      +4
      Russians are never ready for war

      Yes, no one is ever ready. And if he thinks he is ready, the war turns out to be completely different from the one for which they were preparing.
    5. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 April 22 2018 14: 22
      +1
      Quote: Kleber
      Russians are never ready for war. And the result?

      The First World War, according to the general newspaper opinion, Russia is ready for war! more than ever! And the result ???
      And walk around the supermarket ... to anyone .. isn't this an occupation ???? Why would anyone fight with us ??? if we are already conquered ....
  3. Moore
    Moore April 21 2018 06: 19
    +12
    Perhaps he got there even earlier than during the infamous Minister of Defense.

    I didn’t get there, but I went from the beginning of the 90s. And a special acceleration was given to him by S. Ivanov.
    During the crisis period, the guards can be considered as a prepared reserve for replenishing the army.

    Not even funny. Of these, one third are retirement age watchmen, another third are people who set the goal of their lives to do nothing in this life. They are no more reliable reserve than Svyaznoy sellers.
    But if a unifying and mobilizing idea must be taken as the basis, then how is it formulated for modern Russia? And is it today in the mass consciousness and in what form? Does the army and the vast majority of the population accept it? Does it have the same meaning for both rich and poor Russians? Do our youth share ideological goals and views?

    Serious questions, to be sure ... To answer them, I propose to consider the following.
    1. In wartime, other laws work - wartime. Well, for example: do you want to go to the recruiting station? OK, there is an alternative - here’s your summons, my dear, but it’s incomprehensible than the twisted wall of the garrison guardhouse and the detachment of the commandant’s platoon.
    2. We consider what human resources the enemy will fight. Homosexual and pampered teenagers? Your rich? Where is the monolith of the nation (at least the same German) that was in World War II? Naturalized Arabs and blacks remain.
    3. Still, one or two generations is not enough to completely forget their grandfathers and great-grandfathers who died in the war, as well as any Hungarian-Romanian-German "liberators" who still scare children in villages. The immortal regiment is proof of this.
    1. saigon
      saigon April 21 2018 06: 40
      +5
      The contract army is now fashionable and stylish, but what percentage of the population will go through this army and will there be a sufficient reserve of trained people?
      I’m afraid that training per day in modern conditions as in WWII will not work.
    2. lwxx
      lwxx April 21 2018 06: 51
      +3
      I agree with you, especially paragraph number 2. A video about American special forces goes on the net, where the brave marines love to fuck each other. And are they going to fight with us? Yes, we’ll just be ashamed to get lyuli from people of non-traditional orientation (completely different words should sound repeat )
      1. staviator
        staviator April 21 2018 17: 23
        0
        Quote: lwxx
        Yes, we’ll just be ashamed to get lyuli from people of non-traditional orientation (completely different words should sound)

        Only if they are not in the same orientation laughing
    3. 72jora72
      72jora72 April 21 2018 08: 14
      +2
      3. Still, one or two generations is not enough to completely forget their grandfathers and great-grandfathers who died in the war, as well as any Hungarian-Romanian-German "liberators" who still scare children in villages. The immortal regiment is proof of this.
      And tens of thousands of militias who marched past Yugoslavia, Transnistria, Karabakh, Chechnya, Donbass, is this not proof?
      1. saigon
        saigon April 21 2018 15: 52
        +1
        Karabakh it is a bit from another opera, a strong specificity and composition of participants. Yes, and too many years have passed since Karabakh.
    4. 97110
      97110 April 21 2018 11: 04
      +3
      Quote: Moore
      3. Still, one or two generations is not enough to completely forget their grandfathers and great-grandfathers who died in the war,

      and go to war under the flag of their enemies, traitors, Vlasovites.
      1. Moore
        Moore April 21 2018 16: 53
        +1
        Personally, you can not walk. For you, item 1.
        1. 97110
          97110 April 21 2018 19: 28
          +7
          Quote: Moore
          Personally, you can not walk. For you, item 1.

          I served in the Soviet Army. And urgent, and when the Motherland sent, its on the roof of the 3 blocks worked. And not Murka me to determine points. Are you torn into the performers?
    5. zoolu350
      zoolu350 April 22 2018 16: 25
      +2
      Well, the boy Klaus from the new Urengoy successfully forgot his ancestors, and the education system created by the oligarch of the Russian Federation is aimed at creating such claus boys.
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 21 2018 07: 01
    +6
    Ready or not ready for war can be argued at the level of the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff of the Russian Federation. And the average man, sometimes even not serving in the army, for some reason considers this issue from his bell tower and often relying on media publications of a certain direction. For some reason, it is generally accepted that we are never ready for war, but in the end we win. So the Russian people have the ability to mobilize at the right time. The main thing is that politicians with commanders are not let down at the right time.
    1. Ruudi 34
      Ruudi 34 April 21 2018 09: 48
      +4
      The readiness for war is also determined by the readiness for it of "public opinion." A man served or not, it doesn’t matter - we will teach. The main thing is whether he is ready to study, fight and die. While "dying" in Neta, but snotlepotki about: "wushi-pusi ... what a hero"
      1. saigon
        saigon April 21 2018 15: 50
        +3
        Here he learns to fight and does not want to die, it sounds strange - to fight and die.
        We were taught to fight and win, but not taught to die
        1. Ruudi 34
          Ruudi 34 April 21 2018 22: 36
          +1
          "Dying" is a willingness to sacrifice, rather. Well now it sounds wild of course. But there are already examples ...
          1. saigon
            saigon April 22 2018 08: 38
            +3
            The sacrifice and exploits of a soldier is what you have to cover up for the stupidity and stupidity of command.
            It is clear that in combat conditions there are many opportunities to die and to add to this not the competence of the command - to show soldier self-sacrifice is somehow not desirable
            1. Gato
              Gato April 25 2018 19: 33
              +1
              stupidity and stupidity of command

              People also command. It’s one thing when you became a commander as a result of military operations, and another thing in peacetime, when you are moved up by the results of exercises, shows, etc. (served officers will understand). IMHO, the problem is in personnel policy.
              In peacetime, some commanders are needed, and in war - absolutely different.
    2. Bechtin
      Bechtin April 21 2018 10: 51
      +1
      With politicians, however, the big question is, everything acquired by excessive chatter is there.
  5. samarin1969
    samarin1969 April 21 2018 07: 01
    +21
    The author asked many good questions for which there are no good "convenient" answers .... On the other hand, the bitter wisdom is known that everyone sees how the war is approaching, but it always comes unexpectedly.
    If we discard the verbal husk "about patriotism", then the leadership of the "Russian Federation" pursues a policy of "smooth, painless surrender." Instead of “Nation in war,” the elite forms “poor humanists.” There are fewer people like Motorola or Aleksey Mozgovoy, and this is hardly accidental.
    1. Gato
      Gato April 21 2018 08: 10
      +3
      the elite forms

      And what else can it form? As the saying goes, "in the image and likeness"
      1. samarin1969
        samarin1969 April 21 2018 09: 59
        +2
        Quote: Gato
        the elite forms

        And what else can it form? As the saying goes, "in the image and likeness"

        "poor humanists" - in the image ?? ... you have a very subtle irony. wink
        1. Gato
          Gato April 21 2018 10: 34
          +6
          And you look at the interview with any oligarch - a true impoverished humanist, eyes HONEST, for the "universal values" I am ready to give the last rolex laughing
    2. meandr51
      meandr51 April 21 2018 11: 17
      +2
      A real war will put everything in its place.
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 April 21 2018 11: 26
        +4
        Quote: meandr51
        A real war will put everything in its place.

        A real war will turn an entire planet into a “cemetery”! Are you talking about this ??? request
        1. KaPToC
          KaPToC April 22 2018 12: 21
          +2
          Quote: Hunter 2
          A real war will turn an entire planet into a “cemetery”! Are you talking about this ???

          The planet shit on people, people can destroy themselves, but not the planet.
          1. Gato
            Gato April 24 2018 19: 50
            0
            Unfortunately or fortunately, the energy potential of mankind cannot completely destroy our planet - but it can turn it into a lifeless stone
            1. KaPToC
              KaPToC April 24 2018 19: 56
              +1
              Quote: Gato
              but can turn her into a lifeless stone

              It can’t, people are not so strong. We can destroy our habitat, but life will adapt to new conditions .... but without people, people are not so flexible.
              1. Gato
                Gato April 24 2018 20: 08
                +1
                Yes, I totally agree. But if you are not a supporter of the Hindu theory of rebirth, then what's the difference? We all will die crying
                1. KaPToC
                  KaPToC April 24 2018 20: 10
                  +1
                  Quote: Gato
                  But if you are not a supporter of the Hindu theory of rebirth

                  I am not a supporter and not an opponent.
                  Quote: Gato
                  then what's the difference? We all will die

                  But for some reason no one is in a hurry to die, despite all the senselessness of his life.
                  1. Gato
                    Gato April 24 2018 20: 30
                    +1
                    The namesake, well, you directly drive me into melancholy and hypochondria. I'm going to drink something life-affirming. For humanity, although not worth it drinks
                    1. KaPToC
                      KaPToC April 24 2018 20: 34
                      0
                      Quote: Gato
                      You drive me straight into melancholy and hypochondria

                      I can easily get you out of there!
                      There is a sense, even if we do not know about it. But the sperm also does not know what is the meaning of its existence, but this does not prevent it from fulfilling its function.
                      1. Gato
                        Gato April 24 2018 20: 43
                        +1
                        No no no! Ninada pull me out of nowhere! Even a sperm would not like this procedure, and an adult with an established worldview and healthy instincts - all the more so stop
    3. zoolu350
      zoolu350 April 22 2018 16: 28
      +2
      Moreover, people such as the motorola and the brain are deliberately destroyed by the oligarchy of the Russian Federation.
      1. Gato
        Gato April 24 2018 19: 57
        0
        They also tried to destroy Fidel, but the level was too small. And here it was enough ... However, after the bombing in Kiev, a couple of colonels all somehow calmed down.
  6. astronom1973n
    astronom1973n April 21 2018 07: 22
    +9
    Article-plus. Enough thoroughly and clearly. And without a strong rear, without a reliable economy, there will be no victory and success in the war. Does someone think about the economy above their heads? Or were there only divers, iPhones and curls with an increase in retirement age?
    1. Gato
      Gato April 21 2018 08: 13
      +1
      So the state is no longer a socialist fatherland, but a capitalist one. Or some other ...
      1. Olaf Uksimae
        Olaf Uksimae April 22 2018 03: 09
        +5
        The national idea now is Loot.
  7. Yak28
    Yak28 April 21 2018 07: 36
    +15
    If there’s a big war, I don’t have any idea where to get human resources for replenishing losses and working in the rear in three shifts. The rich will try to pay off the war by any means or just avoid the thick of events. Migrants will dump themselves or engage in looting and crime. , the servants are also not eager to fight and plow in factories, unlike the rich people, they have no incentive to fight even less, people have no ideas, a common faith, a goal, society is very motley. The army will have to catch police on entrances, and force others to factories will work hard. Enthusiasts will surely be. Stakhanovites, patriots, but it’s a drop in the ocean. Russia will not be able to provide rear services as efficiently as NATO, and will not be able to make up for military losses in the right amount, at the same time there will be more cannon fodder and the general population at NATO . And maybe I'm wrong request Maybe all rich people from traders to officials, poor workers who work for a penny will massively run to call points, or become rear workers. Migrants will take out rubble after shelling cities. And women will give birth to a bunch of children in an emergency wink
    1. zoolu350
      zoolu350 April 22 2018 16: 37
      +2
      Think correctly. Against NATO, in military terms, the Russian Federation can still be bothered, because the human qualities of the euro and mattress are extremely low and the owners of the Fed are betting on mercenaries. But the PLA will pass the army of the Russian Federation as a red-hot knife through the oil. No options.
  8. Gato
    Gato April 21 2018 07: 48
    +11
    security guards can be considered as a prepared reserve for replenishing the army

    Thank you, neighing laughing
  9. Gato
    Gato April 21 2018 07: 59
    +6
    national idea is the foundation of success in everything

    What is a national idea? Our nation is the best - and why should everyone else do us squats? And how can a national idea unite a billionaire and the same retired security guard from a supermarket. I’m generally silent about the "jamshoots", they will mutter to any occupier "niches of fairies, shuravi, nis dushmandon"
    1. lance
      lance April 21 2018 09: 19
      +1
      so don’t worry, the billionaire will be blown away at the first mention of mobilization.
      1. Gato
        Gato April 21 2018 10: 37
        +2
        That is, how will it blow away? !! And money? am
  10. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat April 21 2018 08: 00
    +11
    For Deripaska and Rybka and fight? This must be a real pervert, or rather, a well-paid pervert ....
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack April 21 2018 08: 04
      +1
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      For Deripaska and Rybka and fight?

      If in all your conscious life you haven’t got anything more dear to you than Rybka-Deripaska, my condolences to you.
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      ... you have to be a real pervert ...

      Don’t ... be a pervert, listen before (and if) it’s too late stop
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat April 21 2018 08: 31
        +7
        And for what fight? I somehow did not manage to fall in Russia to some kind of "feeding trough", which it makes sense to protect ..... And so, it makes no difference to me what capitalist to work for ....
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack April 21 2018 08: 42
          +3
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          I somehow did not succeed in falling in Russia to some kind of "feeding trough", which it makes sense to protect ...

          If, according to your concepts, you are ready to protect only your feeding trough, there is nothing to talk with you about.
          Even my dog, in addition to the feeder and his, ahem, honor and dignity, protects a much wider range of objects ... for example, this cat yes
          1. Monster_Fat
            Monster_Fat April 21 2018 08: 58
            +3
            The cat is good, it might be worth it to someone to protect ... Ah, man is such a "cattle" that takes root everywhere .... And the Bible says: "... the meek shall inherit the earth ..." winked
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack April 21 2018 09: 11
              +2
              Quote: Monster_Fat
              man is such a "cattle"

              A person differs from a cattle just in that he is able to think not only about the "feeding trough".
              Quote: Monster_Fat
              the meek shall inherit the earth.

              Somehow reminded:
              ... Stupid penguin shyly hides ...

              laughing
              1. Gato
                Gato April 21 2018 09: 13
                +3
                Stupid penguin shyly hides ..

                Smart - boldly bored! (with)
              2. Monster_Fat
                Monster_Fat April 21 2018 09: 38
                +8
                Well, if that’s about it, then, yes, for me, it’s better to be a “stupid penguin” than a “petrel”, given what he “finished” ..... And by the way, on “war game” and on “human kindness” in Russia I saw enough — I had to take my family out of Dagestan in the 90s, leaving everything there. Those who are in the know know what I mean. So, yes, a “stupid penguin” and away from the “good” Russians, is somehow closer to me ...
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack April 21 2018 09: 49
                  +2
                  Quote: Monster_Fat
                  away from the “good” Russians, I’m somehow closer ...

                  But who is bothering you? For the sake of everything tasty, as they say fellow
                  But it’s better not to tell me “what to fight for”, you won’t find any understanding.
                  That's all, sobsna request
            2. Ruudi 34
              Ruudi 34 April 21 2018 09: 26
              0
              And you want to live and "not meek". By the way, how many people will be killed on earth until there are only "meek" ones?
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        3. rexby63
          rexby63 April 21 2018 11: 17
          0
          It’s good that you live in the USA.
        4. aloleggry
          aloleggry April 23 2018 13: 44
          0
          So there is nothing to protect? Understand. Instead of the Victory Parade, you can go to a gay parade. It’s not dad who’s called, but parent No. ... You can’t do the same fishing, you kill the fish .... And if you still have too much .... Many more such things will be typed. This is what war will be for. For me. I do not want "democracy" and "universal values." I want to live my own way, in Russian.
    2. Gato
      Gato April 21 2018 08: 16
      +3
      well-paid pervert

      laughing Actually, this is a portrait of any mercenary, starting with Sparta and ending with PMCs
  11. Nonna
    Nonna April 21 2018 08: 18
    +13
    Let’s say frankly - with the liberal humanist Putin and his entourage, which he has formed in 18 years (and which will betray Russia for one or two), there can be no victory in the war. A successful sweep of the Russian spring in the Donbass is a confirmation of this
    1. Ruudi 34
      Ruudi 34 April 21 2018 09: 33
      +2
      Spontaneously happened in the Donbass "Russian spring" mixed up all the cards to Putin ... And the question is, what was left to do? "Enter the troops" and start the WAR, or clenching your teeth and pressing your ears to the "public opinion of the Russians," declare: "ours are not there"? (If I'm not a "liberal Putinist," but I try to be objective)
      1. zoolu350
        zoolu350 April 22 2018 16: 46
        +1
        It’s been a while since they’ve rubbed it here for HPP. Can you find any other arguments?
    2. Gato
      Gato April 24 2018 21: 20
      +2
      Wow, I don’t understand either: why Crimea can be attached, but the DNI / LC is no longer possible. Religion does not allow or sanctions strongly crush?
  12. urman
    urman April 21 2018 08: 29
    +6
    Quote: Gato
    Thank you, neighing

    And I spat out of bewilderment, I had to see these guards in large northern companies.
    Former, from the police and the protection of the camps, the attitude towards hard workers as prisoners and, accordingly, the return is the same.
    It is hard to imagine that they in one unit will be at war with hard workers.
    They even fly separately from the shift, and if they happen to be with the shift workers, then such slime-holes and eyes run around.
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        1. urman
          urman April 21 2018 13: 50
          +2
          Naturally different, only garbage caught my eye.
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  13. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV April 21 2018 08: 29
    0
    The author himself served in the army? A simple question ...
    1. Gato
      Gato April 21 2018 09: 16
      +4
      And what does this have to do with it? Service in the army, even the SA, does not add journalistic abilities (and intelligence in general). I know from my own experience laughing
    2. astronom1973n
      astronom1973n April 21 2018 10: 50
      +3
      Quote: Andrey VOV
      The author himself served in the army? A simple question ..

      So what? Didn’t he write that? Everything is fine in the article! Personally, I served and the article was written in the right direction. But the fact that some people don’t think how they will be in the future, while others throws such a cap.
  14. The Sparkle
    The Sparkle April 21 2018 08: 42
    +5
    "(p.) But no one compensated the army for the peace losses incurred from its leaders. Thank you, the new Minister of Defense came. Before that, he was a bit aloof from the tasks of national defense. But he is knowledgeable and experienced. Having entered the course of general defense devastation, he slowly began ... "
    Do you need to know history to write articles? Serdyukov “destroyed” for several years, and Shoigu restored the army in a little over a year? How much time has passed since Serdyukov’s resignation and the annexation of Crimea — have Shoigu really managed to prepare “polite people” during this time? Tales from the author do not stand up to criticism - look at which minister they began to create the MTR, adopted ships with "calibers" and other nishtyaks for our army. Shoigu only came to continue the work begun by Serdyukov to restore the combat effectiveness of the Russian army!
  15. The Sparkle
    The Sparkle April 21 2018 08: 45
    0
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    For Deripaska and Rybka and fight? This must be a real pervert, or rather, a well-paid pervert ....
    I see a lot you have experienced in life.))
    I do not envy your experience and the way to make money.)))
  16. Oleg Kozlov
    Oleg Kozlov April 21 2018 08: 46
    +10
    Russians are ready for war. And officials too. They have already begun to claim that they are not Russian. In captivity, for the position of capo, overseers in the barracks of concentration camps ... More then they will not be trusted
  17. Kleber
    Kleber April 21 2018 08: 56
    +1
    Quote: rkkasa 81
    Quote: Kleber
    Russians are never ready for war. And the result?

    Well, for example, the lost Crimean War, Russian-Japanese; to put it mildly, not very successful World War I.


    Crimean War, Russo-Japanese, World War I ...... but they were not lost ......
  18. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov April 21 2018 08: 58
    +11
    It would be incorrect today to recall the events of the Soviet era, since then there were two powerful world systems opposing each other. Military, political, economic and other capabilities of the Soviet Union,

    Michael is an excellent article, it’s a pity that the analysis of all the above aspects is not very deep! But you are right to compare the USSR and modern Russia, it’s not worth it! In modern Russia there is no main thing: IDEAS AND A LEADER, and also there is no SOCIAL JUSTICE. Without all this, even the stamina and heroism of our people may not save the homeland. The whole reason is in the rotten "head" of our elite. Here the results for Russia of 1 MV are very indicative. But as you know, history teaches that it does not teach anything, especially those who hold power.
    1. lance
      lance April 21 2018 09: 40
      +2
      do you want to tell minin and pozharsky? there is land and it feeds. and the war for the Russian Federation will be completely different. it’s not running around the masses with a machine gun for the edge. this is the ability of the commander-in-chief to press a button and subsequent stripping over time. everything else is a local hassle, including and Syria. and since people chose the gdp, it means I'm sure that with it a lot of things are laid in the button and when necessary, he will click it. and the fact that liberalism will blow away at the first mention is no doubt.
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov April 21 2018 18: 30
        +2
        smile Sorry, I don’t know your name! But
        this is the ability of the commander-in-chief to press a button and subsequent stripping over time. everything else is a local hassle, including and Syria. and since the people chose the gdp, it means I'm sure that with it a lot of things are laid in the button and when necessary, he will click it. and the fact that liberalism will blow away at the first mention is no doubt.

        You yourself answered your question when the gdp will blow away at the first mention.
    2. atos_kin
      atos_kin April 23 2018 13: 10
      0
      [quote = andrej-shironov] [quote] In modern Russia there is no main thing: LEADER. The whole reason is in a rotten "head" ... [/ quote]
      "head" is, but rotten
  19. Ruudi 34
    Ruudi 34 April 21 2018 09: 22
    +6
    Culture and education were sharply released from us .... who should fight? Who wants to kill (and the defense of the Homeland always implies this) the enemy, if he was driven in by false moral principles? We have replaced “morality” with “consumerism and selfishness” and we don’t even understand this ... The responsibility "for the homeland" was knocked out of people at the end of the USSR. And this has already been passed on to the next generation .. "A person has become weak ... as an individual .... lazy. He is no longer happy to work and fight ..." (film "Outskirts")
    1. PANTELEIMON
      PANTELEIMON April 21 2018 11: 02
      +3
      All the troubles of Great Russia began with the coming to power of the Bolsheviks, led by a burry leader. It was he who laid the foundation for the collapse of the country, announcing the right of nations to self-determination. This "benefactor" did not give a damn about Russia and its people! He promised people a paradise on earth, destroyed churches and temples, depriving them of the Holy Faith. He dragged the peoples of Russia into a civil fratricidal war, dividing them into red and white. From his criminal cases, still "a bloody trail spreads about the raw grass" ...
      1. meandr51
        meandr51 April 21 2018 11: 16
        +5
        All the troubles began with the coming to power of a whole bunch of burry-curly-haired coupled with rpshny priests. Here they just do not care about everything except dollars.
      2. Ruudi 34
        Ruudi 34 April 21 2018 11: 44
        +11
        Before the "burry leader", there was the leader of the "saint" .. who called for the "erection of the holy cross over the scolded Sophia" (for the uneducated and zombie religion of the peasants) and the "possession of the straits" (for the pragmatic and enterprising bourgeois who had long spit on religion) .... Yes, only the invention of the machine gun confused all the cards ... And the burry one said, "Learn, study and study .." which in modern Russia is interpreted as "Read the Bible and go to church - and you will be happy, honored and blue flashing light "
      3. lance
        lance April 21 2018 12: 00
        0
        more precisely, I saw well-fed and contented and poor and hungry, under what authority did the priest get education, under the liberal-royal one?
  20. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch April 21 2018 10: 57
    +3
    State ideology should be, as time has shown (post-perestroika and crap) - an axiom, the upbringing process (love for loved ones, small and large Motherland, God's commandments, etc.) must begin in kindergarten! I remembered one interview at the beginning 90, where the "effective manager" Gref, crucified that he lived in a summer house with friends, that he had no property, but most importantly, he "taldychil" as a mantra, that Russia should abandon the state ideology, they say this is a relic of Soviet power and mind you thought and tried to make us think so all of the shit that were at the helm of the state, ruining the country. Now the GDP is trying to resurrect the former power of Russia and they (shit-gunners, "effective managers", "shift workers) have again taken up their own efforts, in every possible way to interfere with this process, the process of restoring the country's power, the process of creating a multipolar world. They have well mastered one old proverb:" Divide and conquer ", I think they won’t succeed, the people were overwhelmed by their promises. We, our children and grandchildren — want to live! Live in a rich and powerful country, confident in our future, and the so-called" elite "must be truly ELITE, the pride of the country, and not the muddy foam, which it is time to "collect" and ......
  21. Igor Golov
    Igor Golov April 21 2018 11: 09
    0
    The article is ignoring some facts.
  22. meandr51
    meandr51 April 21 2018 11: 14
    +8
    Imperialist war tends to develop into a socialist revolution. Do not throw out the Lenin and Stalin PSS!
  23. rexby63
    rexby63 April 21 2018 11: 14
    +5
    1 million troops .. And how many “active bayonets” will there be?
    1. albert
      albert April 21 2018 19: 56
      0
      Well, if half of this number.
      1. rexby63
        rexby63 April 22 2018 13: 28
        +1
        A simple count and thoughtful reading of the news suggests that no more than 400 thousand
  24. Igris38
    Igris38 April 21 2018 11: 47
    +9
    It is unlikely that any of the Russians will want to go into battle and die for the modern ruling clique in the Russian Federation. As the saying goes, look for fools elsewhere.
    1. Tolyamba Zamkadsky
      Tolyamba Zamkadsky April 21 2018 16: 54
      +4
      That is, you think that those whom the "liberators from the tyrant" will replace them with, will wipe your sneakers and feed the caviar from a spoon? (Well, this is if you, of course, do not die in a concentration camp in the first months)
      Dzhuzhog, wars always go for resources. Previously, about a hundred years ago, even you would have been some kind of resource, but today you are just ballast. And such controversial "resources" on the same B.V. and in Africa, large herds run around - load on barges and bring them. Moreover, if you are “imported” by them, then they will not vyzhivatsya on the owners or partisan. They will mow the taiga and produce oil no worse than autochthons.
    2. asv363
      asv363 April 22 2018 00: 48
      +4
      The oath is apparently empty for you. Further on - you will be supported. My purely personal advice - do not write nonsense.
  25. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim April 21 2018 12: 12
    +11
    Quote: meandr51
    A real war will put everything in its place.

    Certainly!
    The main thing is to create courses "Pasque" from the children of the oligarchs, many officers will be happy to teach the offspring of the Abramovich Chubais Avens how to walk in the bayonet and lie on the embrasure of the bunker.
    Each has its own homeland.
    Ida for slaughter, and we will still chase our children for hectares of Rublev’s land with the castles of the above-mentioned leaders of the “people”.
    For whom to fight?
    Look at the list of the richest people in Russia, their nationality is the same as the organizers of the destruction of Orthodoxy and the Cossacks in Russia, they rebelled in 1917, they (under the clear leadership of Kaganovich) blew up the Cathedral of Christ the Savior and thousands of other temples. It was then with such difficulty that they wandered Great Stalin.
    It was they who killed him.
    Here is a list of Russian lights:
    Israeli citizen Mikhail Fridman
    Leonid Mikhelson
    Alisher Usmanov, married to Jewess Irina Wiener
    Viktor Vekselberg
    Rotenberg brothers
    Igor Linshits
    Boris Mints
    etc.
    But if the Motherland calls, we will go and send our children.
    Our Motherland is Our Russia!
    And we have enough of our "lights"
    We look at the table:

    Of course, in accordance with nat. the composition of the population of Russian billionaires should be exactly 584 times more (Russian: 115889107 people, Jews: 229938 people. Data from Wikipedia).
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack April 21 2018 12: 22
      +3
      Quote: Comrade Kim
      Each has its own homeland.

      You don't have it No.
      Quote: Comrade Kim
      Look at the list

      Bad troll. Fat negative
      Quote: Comrade Kim
      Wikipedia data

      This is your limit, camping trip laughing
  26. Antares
    Antares April 21 2018 12: 12
    +1
    In general, it’s all about Hiley Likely.

    I immediately realized who wrote the article.
    laughing
    However, the "hot phase" of the war has long been going on. It’s just the images of the war as a rule of the previous one. And the modern one is not at all like that. But the goals are similar.
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  28. nnz226
    nnz226 April 21 2018 12: 31
    +12
    I doubt that the fighters from the dull "classes" will go to fight for the wealth of the Abramovichs, Prokhorovs, Deripasok ... Children of these "masters of life" are sitting in the capitals of potential opponents of our country, and, therefore, their popes are potential traitors to Russia. And effective managers, “the best finance ministers,” “the best bankers,” according to Western rating agencies, are also from the same cage of the enemies of Russia, because if someone praises the enemy, wait for the tricks ... But if scolding, then perhaps good!
    1. Ruudi 34
      Ruudi 34 April 21 2018 13: 35
      +1
      Quote: nnz226
      I doubt that the fighters from the dull "classes" will go to fight for the wealth of the Abramovichs, Prokhorovs, Deripasok ... Children of these "masters of life" are sitting in the capitals of potential opponents of our country, and, therefore, their popes are potential traitors to Russia. And effective managers, “the best finance ministers,” “the best bankers,” according to Western rating agencies, are also from the same cage of the enemies of Russia, because if someone praises the enemy, wait for the tricks ... But if scolding, then perhaps good!

      Well, and who permits them to do this? ... "Uhhh ... Shut up Theodore ... shut up, shut up about the great suspicion ...." stop
    2. KaPToC
      KaPToC April 22 2018 12: 33
      0
      Quote: nnz226
      I doubt that the fighters from the half-dead “classes” will go to fight for the wealth of the Abramovichs, Prokhorovs, Deripasok ...

      They fought in the First World War, in the Second World War, why now they refuse? Ukrainians refused to fight for the Ukrainian oligarchs?
  29. Forever so
    Forever so April 21 2018 12: 34
    +8
    In the event of a military situation, in the first place is the defense of the borders of Russia from the Jew-Anglo-Saxons, in the Second, the removal of the corrupt power that preaches the Jewish capitalism of any means and the people fed this corrupt power. The third stage is the nationalization of basic resources and the implementation of the Stalin Economic Development Plan of the country. Russia does not come to an agreement with the worms sucking today, the worms are removed.
  30. noodles
    noodles April 21 2018 12: 45
    +9
    The article struck a chord with life — although at my age and all kinds of wanderings — including the military — I’ve already
    it’s hard to surprise! It is a pity that not all commentators understood the main alarm of the AUTHOR-WHO will fight and WHAT will fight at all !! I think that there will be people who go to fight for their homeland and their family for their ancestors! But it worries me, just as the author, that if you face the truth, there are not so many left because of the lack of IDEAS! And the rest, as correctly noted in the comments, SIND ON THE FIRST SHOT! Another thing is scary that there are more and more such “defenders of even their millions and Western values ​​— they are in full view and by ear”! The author urges us to reflect on this situation before it is too late! And I think that he is right! But you need to think not only we, we put on the pages of the review and the end, but if the authorities think about themselves, it’s time to think seriously and the faster, the better!
  31. Radikal
    Radikal April 21 2018 13: 06
    +1
    Quote: Gato
    grown up at the same time with me in the same SOVIET kindergarten

    Stalin's mistake with the amnesty of Bandera in 1955, Apparently, they went to work in the SOVIET kindergartens.

    Not only there, but mainly to the authorities, and the government ... bully
  32. Abrascha
    Abrascha April 21 2018 13: 45
    +7
    Oh damn, less than four years have passed before this inspiration came to power)))) This is how we screwed up in May 2014)))) Well, what did you want? How is it that the old English bulldog, Sir Winston Churchill, the Duke of Marlborough used to say "The state chooses between war and shame, shame, gets both shame and war" I want to sincerely congratulate the Kremlin on yet another Russian betrayal.)))) The referendum, by the way, in the LPR and the DPR people did, but the fact that this referendum was not recognized by the GDP, but simply “respected” (to know what else he meant by that), well, this is the problem of the GDP personally. The truth is now for his betrayal are paid by Russian people who were so naive that they believed all these beautiful words about "the Russian world" and "Russians, as the largest divided people on the planet."
    1. KaPToC
      KaPToC April 22 2018 12: 35
      0
      Quote: Abrascha
      By the way, people held a referendum in the LPR and the DPR, but the fact that this referendum was not recognized by the GDP, but simply “respected”

      Independence referendum? Well, let them stand their independence.
  33. akudr48
    akudr48 April 21 2018 13: 54
    +15
    Amazing publication!

    The author managed not to name a single surname of officials responsible for the collapse. All hints, references, omissions, and other "cursed language of the Aesopian speeches."
    A long time ago, the late Grachev was even shown in a positive light, they say he persuaded, but no less positive Yeltsin did not understand him and did not allow himself to be convinced ...
    For the sake of convincingness, one could even name Ivanov, who was the Minister of Defense, and under whom Lourdes and Camran, as well as Tartus, were surrendered, and the army continued to degrade, as with grandfather ...

    Further, no less significant formulation of the situation in the Donbass, namely, that In 2014, there were expectations of Russian-speaking residents of some eastern regions of our neighbor’s decision to join Russia

    Firstly, there were not expectations, but a struggle that Russia, through Putin’s mouth, pledged to support the Russians, but in fact left them alone with their fate.
    Secondly, not Russian-speaking residents, but Russian people in eastern Ukraine, Putin said.
    Thirdly, not some areas, but Donbass, and in general, Novorossia, if they are offended from Kiev, which Putin also spoke about in 2014.
    Finally, Putin simultaneously recognized both the coup in Kiev and Poroshenko’s partner as a result of the coup, recognized the murder in Odessa as an internal affair and stopped troops near Mariupol, which would open the land road to Crimea.
    As a result, Russia does not even recognize a part of Donbass, which is already in its hands, pushing this land back to Bandera Kiev and is carrying out unthinkable humiliations from partners for the sake of preserving the gas pipe for Western partners. But Putin is already silent for some reason.

    But then sharply, about Kerensky, who also became good, and he is not to blame for the defeat of World War I ...
    The same streamlined formulations about Siberia, about the Arctic, which are about to capture ...

    After all this, the author wonders
    So are we ready to defend our Motherland, our small homeland, family, children, the land on which we were born and live with arms in hand?

    One would like to ask, who are we anonymous, who is ready or not ready with weapons in his hands? Deripaska and other Abramovich will also take up arms, or what?

    It would be necessary to decide.
    1. Abrascha
      Abrascha April 21 2018 17: 09
      +2
      You put everything right on the shelves, all this was and is. Well, now they like to shout on TV about "We did not promise anything to anyone, and what you fantasized there is your personal problems"
    2. yehat
      yehat April 21 2018 21: 01
      +3
      Under Zurabov, all the influence of the Russian Federation in Ukraine completely failed. at least 3 years of playing with one goal - constant agitation about Russian quilted jackets, alcoholics, invaders and oppressors. staged a famine. And after that, what could Putin do? Well, we could start a war, kill 5 million Ukrainians, stop the Ukrainian army on the approaches to the Donbass. What's next? What is happening in the Donbass is not good, but how much better is the scenario of the civil war, which the US has so persistently pushed for? You go into what happened then - the Russians ethnically and according to the passport squealed "Muscovite oaths." Is it possible to deal with this by force? Well, maybe open 10000 psychiatric centers in the Donbass.
  34. Fedor1
    Fedor1 April 21 2018 14: 38
    +3
    The complete betrayal of the country to the west by our leadership is the conclusion that begs itself!
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack April 21 2018 16: 53
      0
      Quote: Fedor1
      this is the conclusion


      And this one too yes
    2. Abrascha
      Abrascha April 21 2018 17: 10
      +1
      Well, yes, the truth now is not called betrayal, but a pragmatic and balanced position))))))
  35. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman April 21 2018 14: 39
    +10
    The article is relevant, but it has more questions than answers. And the answers should be given mainly by those who rule. But the opinion about taxi drivers in the country, to put it mildly, is not very high! And the gap between them and the people, due to their excessive corruption, is such that ordinary people are unlikely to want to die for such power! Everyone in the Russian Federation understands this, but modestly shy away from answering an uncomfortable question. And first of all, those who hold power. And the time to answer him was inexorably approaching. Of course, the author is right about the many times increased threat of war these days. And the matter is not even in our riches and territories, although in them too, but in the confidence of the West, and the East, that Russia is not the same today! If her mattresses were bent without war, then with war, all the more, you can finish it off, and then divide it. And even if the Russian Federation wins tomorrow in Syria, then this will not stop their hot heads! The temptation is too great! And the fact that our liberoid authorities themselves are not ready to lay down their heads for the Motherland is already visible to any citizen of the Russian Federation with the naked eye. Normal authorities would begin to prepare the population for war 10 years ago! And the simplest thing with which it was necessary to start was to introduce NVP back to schools, return military departments to universities, and gradually return to their former life for conscripts. Is it done? That's the whole answer to the question! And how to qualify it, slovenliness, gagging, hope for luck, or treason, everyone decides for himself!
  36. tank64rus
    tank64rus April 21 2018 14: 43
    +5
    We have a constitution dictated by amers. where there is no place for ideology. No fools dictated. Why no changes have been made is a question. Although in a country where one oligarch has a problem, that his yacht on the Thames cannot pass
    very large and pensioners who pay from 40 to 75% of their pensions to thugs from the housing and communal services and live on 3-4 thousand rubles. what kind of unity can we talk about.
  37. Украинец
    Украинец April 21 2018 15: 40
    +4
    Quote: rotmistr60
    Ready or not ready for war can be argued at the level of the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff of the Russian Federation. And the average man, sometimes even not serving in the army, for some reason considers this issue from his bell tower and often relying on media publications of a certain direction. For some reason, it is generally accepted that we are never ready for war, but in the end we win. So the Russian people have the ability to mobilize at the right time. The main thing is that politicians with commanders are not let down at the right time.


    Believe me, if the war is with the West and not with someone from the CIS, Russia will also receive help from other brothers of the Slavs ... And not only from the Slavs

    In our Dnieper, to understand, at least 50% sympathizes with Russia. And if the enemy is on the west side, many will help
    1. Sverdlov
      Sverdlov April 21 2018 15: 53
      +1
      Brother!
  38. Brigadier
    Brigadier April 21 2018 15: 50
    +9
    Why should I die for the capitalists? I don’t, and I know perfectly well that I LIVE IN A CAPITALIST COUNTRY and that the capitalists, for whom for some reason I must die, do not give a damn about me, the main thing for them is that I fight, defending CASH capital CASH the property, CASH children, wives and mistresses to give them time to flush with the looted capitals. They do not care about the people. The main thing for them is to save their own skin.
    If I lived now in the Soviet Union, I would defend him without sparing my life, because IT WAS MY MOTHERLAND!
    But I live in CAPITALIST COUNTRY and I have no desire to die, defending the obese scum-capitalists, all these "liberals" and "democrats-general people" who will go over to the side of the enemy as soon as they sense his strength ...
    If the enemy comes to my house, I will defend it with all my might! But only YOUR house and only YOUR loved ones!
    I don’t want to die for the interests of the oligarchs! Let them die for themselves!
    1. Украинец
      Украинец April 21 2018 15: 55
      +7
      And here the capitalists.
      Among ordinary people, too, a lot of scum. Who do not care about you and generally at all. Because of them, would you also not go to war?

      If the enemy comes to your house you will not go anywhere. Will have to fight.
      If the enemy comes to the capitalist’s house, he will not go anywhere either (unless of course he is a real man)
      If everyone thinks like you, then we (both Russia and Ukraine) are covered.

      Those who do not divide the homeland into capitalists and the poor will fight.
      These will win
      1. Sverdlov
        Sverdlov April 21 2018 17: 10
        +4
        The capitalist will drive to Australia, and you will have to protect your home. And I'll stand on your shoulder
      2. V. Salama
        V. Salama April 22 2018 00: 15
        +3
        Quote: Ukrainian
        And here the capitalists.
        Among ordinary people, too, a lot of scum. Who do not care about you and generally at all. Because of them, would you also not go to war? ...

        They are fighting for their homeland, and this concept includes the people. Scum is not included in the concept of Homeland. Political decisions are not dependent on them, according to which the lower link should be paid for everything, and these are not the poor, these are 20 million, and this is the majority of the people.
        Quote: Ukrainian
        ...

        Those who do not divide the homeland into capitalists and the poor will fight.
        These will win

        Of course they will fight, the only question is how and with what result. Why such confidence that "such will win"? When was this in history? France lost to Germany, defending itself against aggression by the forces of the capitalists and the poor. Germany lost the USSR by aggression by the forces of the capitalists and the poor. And who counted how many capitalists were in the trenches along with the poor? Even historical experience in this matter will not help. Our situation is somewhat different - we do not have such historical experience. And I can’t even imagine that the capitalist and the “communist” were sitting in the same trench. The communist is in quotation marks because he is not necessarily a member of the Communist Party, but he who does not confuse the feeling of injustice with envy. Namely, a sense of injustice at all times led to unrest, riots, wars and revolutions. So if a miracle happens and the swan-crab-pike principle does not work, and "such people win," then most likely such a victory will develop into a civil war. Unfortunately, there is such a historical experience. Therefore, we have one homeland, but only one should protect it - a single, consolidated people. And here are three options: the Stalin experience - the fifth column to the nail (let everyone determine its composition and approximate amount) or wait with the war until the "Communists" die or are reborn. Or let the government find the same national idea, capable ... damn it, something capable of that? Well, it doesn’t matter, they’ve been looking for her for about five years, they’d better know what ...
        1. Sverdlov
          Sverdlov April 22 2018 19: 04
          +2
          Psyu! Is power seeking a homeland? They have already found everything. BABLO!
    2. Ruudi 34
      Ruudi 34 April 21 2018 16: 00
      +5
      Of course, this is all right. Only foreign capitalists are trying to ensure that you do not defend yourself ... and our "liberals" will help them in this ... they are already helping. For example, they called us: "Hami and unlucky cattle .." .. and you do not go to protect those who insult you? Output?
      1. Украинец
        Украинец April 21 2018 16: 11
        0
        I will not defend them, but the Motherland, and in it myself and my family
        1. Ruudi 34
          Ruudi 34 April 21 2018 22: 55
          +1
          Don’t worry, you don’t have to defend them ... they’ll cut off everything.
    3. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack April 21 2018 16: 55
      0
      Quote: Brigadier
      If the enemy comes to my house, I will defend it with all my might! But only YOUR house and only YOUR loved ones!

      When the enemy comes to, ahem ... okay, to your house - you will already be a late metatso yes
    4. Abrascha
      Abrascha April 21 2018 17: 15
      +2
      You do not understand one simple trick. Our elite does not grow fat for children, but a little with her rams with respected Western partners, she hides behind the back of the people. Frankly, this is a wise and win-win option. And you won’t get anywhere from him
    5. Doppelgänger
      Doppelgänger April 21 2018 17: 24
      +5
      And you did not consider the option of banging the external enemy, well, along the way to the wall of the internal? And then, I do not want, I will not))))) There is such a word NECESSARY))))
      1. Abrascha
        Abrascha April 21 2018 23: 15
        +4
        To bang the external enemy is not a problem, but the internal one is in no way possible, this is called an attempted armed rebellion with all the consequences. Do not believe? Ask Colonel Kvachkov, he, as I understand it, is exactly what he’s sitting for, and he’s unlikely to go out. And so what a well-deserved and authoritative special forces was. Legend.
  39. Sverdlov
    Sverdlov April 21 2018 15: 50
    +2
    “So are we ready with arms to defend our Fatherland, our small homeland, family, children, the land on which we were born and live? Our independence and a peaceful sky above our heads. Yes, and much more that it’s hard to describe with words. Moreover, everyone honestly needs to answer this question, first of all to himself, after which our collective “I” will be formed.

    I'm ready. Only at first we shoot the corrupt judges, prosecutors and the vile "Justists"
    1. Mestny
      Mestny April 21 2018 16: 39
      -2
      Quote: Sverdlov
      I'm ready. Only at first we shoot the corrupt judges, prosecutors and the vile "Justists"

      Who will determine the venality? Himself, personally? Or all in a row?
      Do not be surprised if tomorrow others will come to the apartment of such an arrow the same, to kill. Because they decided that he, too, was corrupt.
      1. Doppelgänger
        Doppelgänger April 21 2018 17: 27
        +1
        I’ll say it is corny, but in the subject, Forest is cut, chips fly))) You’ll bang a hundred kov and one innocent, in my opinion a normal alignment. And you do not need liberal cries “This could be someone from your kin” I agree?
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    2. Abrascha
      Abrascha April 21 2018 17: 17
      0
      Well, my friend, I’ve rolled my lip)))) Who will allow you to bite the sacred))))
  40. Ruudi 34
    Ruudi 34 April 21 2018 15: 56
    +1
    Quote: Ukrainian
    Quote: rotmistr60
    Ready or not ready for war can be argued at the level of the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff of the Russian Federation. And the average man, sometimes even not serving in the army, for some reason considers this issue from his bell tower and often relying on media publications of a certain direction. For some reason, it is generally accepted that we are never ready for war, but in the end we win. So the Russian people have the ability to mobilize at the right time. The main thing is that politicians with commanders are not let down at the right time.


    Believe me, if the war is with the West and not with someone from the CIS, Russia will also receive help from other brothers of the Slavs ... And not only from the Slavs

    In our Dnieper, to understand, at least 50% sympathizes with Russia. And if the enemy is on the west side, many will help

    Poles are also Slavs ..
  41. akula
    akula April 21 2018 16: 05
    0
    Quote: Antares
    absolutely everyone who is fighting against you, "stubborn Natsik"? I don’t think so. The dividing line of fire is divided into “Good” and “Bad” for each side.
    And on this side are exactly the same as you. Only for Ukraine. With a Soviet education and even a worldview. And behavior.
    But on the other side of the front.
    Reply Quote Complaint

    And who is encroaching on Ukraine? Just not the present Russia. So what do people with a world outlook fight for? For the interests of the oligarchs in the Donbass? They have long had not Soviet, but inverted consciousness. In Ukraine, unlike Russia, the propaganda of Nazism It began in 1990, and even earlier, so even the parents of the current warriors told them how Moscow uses their native Nenko, well, and then the media controlled by the Americans completed their dirty work and now it’s “stubborn Natsiks” who are fighting against the republics of Donbass, you can’t just call it another way. "Ukraine on a mustache!", "America above all!", everything is just the same, except for trifles.
  42. Bad_santa
    Bad_santa April 21 2018 16: 13
    +4
    Protecting wealth from an internal “enemy” is more important than from external ones. Here is the whole conclusion
    1. Украинец
      Украинец April 21 2018 16: 18
      +3
      I look Russians also want what we have. Would you like to pryaydanit? I do not advise!
      1. Mestny
        Mestny April 21 2018 16: 36
        0
        No, the Russians did not want to. Moreover, the Russians will chase down those who are going to pay tribute with iron sticks.
        Do not focus on what they write on the Internet. It’s not about real Russia, but about some kind of virtual country invented by their American ideologists. In which "everything is bad," and "sad everything."
        1. Украинец
          Украинец April 21 2018 16: 40
          +2
          It seems to me that Russia will cope with external enemies. You know how to fight external enemies. But with your internal problem.
          Stalin tried as best he could. But nowadays this is not a method.
          The main thing is not to repeat the example of Ukraine
  43. Mestny
    Mestny April 21 2018 16: 33
    -2
    Are the Russians ready for war - the author reproduces in the title.
    And further on many pages, they are excited - that they are not ready, they are not prepared, and they will not be ready.
    "To be continued"
    Do not. Everything is clear with you.
  44. Mestny
    Mestny April 21 2018 16: 43
    0
    Quote: Brigadier
    If the enemy comes to my house, I will defend it with all my might! But only YOUR house and only YOUR loved ones!
    I don’t want to die for the interests of the oligarchs! Let them die for themselves!

    This is the main result of an ideological war.
    You will not protect anyone. They will kill you and your family anyway. Well, maybe, with luck, they’ll kill the neighbor’s family first. But then for sure yours.
    The main thing is that no one would help anyone, and even more so to their own country, as befits a bright free personality.
    1. Doppelgänger
      Doppelgänger April 21 2018 17: 19
      0
      Not bad, but will come to him (with time)
  45. Tolyamba Zamkadsky
    Tolyamba Zamkadsky April 21 2018 16: 55
    +1
    Quote: meandr51
    Imperialist war tends to develop into a socialist revolution. Do not throw out the Lenin and Stalin PSS!

    The second time they will not allow it
  46. andrew xnumx
    andrew xnumx April 21 2018 17: 00
    +1
    It is necessary to give a more active character to the activities of military enlistment offices. It is necessary to return military departments to all educational institutions. It is necessary to teach the basics of military affairs even to schoolchildren, as it was before. It is necessary to train the reservists very persistently, to conduct fairly frequent gatherings and mobilization exercises. We must be able to deploy a large army of a great war at the right time if it is not nuclear. By the way, the West, hoping for superiority in conventional weapons, believes in victory in a conventional war. To break NATO in Europe, we need a 4-5 millionth army. By the way, in peacetime, one percent of the population is about 1 million 400 thousand soldiers and officers. It is such an army that we need today. and do not listen to pro-Western liberals and they sang along. A country simply cannot exist without an army. Yes, and the service life must again be increased to 2 years. You can’t rely on contractors for everything, the technique is complicated. And the threat of war is approaching. the West moved on to aggression on the basis of a direct and undisguised lie.
    1. zoolu350
      zoolu350 April 22 2018 17: 32
      +3
      Lots of text. Without nuclear weapons, we simply cannot fight back in any situation, either from NATO or from the PRC.
  47. Tolyamba Zamkadsky
    Tolyamba Zamkadsky April 21 2018 17: 07
    +3
    Russians are always ready for war. The fate of this. But it is Russians, and not for example the Russian Federation
    The question, however, needs to be raised in a slightly different way - will the Russians go to war?
    1. Kolaaps
      Kolaaps April 22 2018 05: 34
      0
      Tolyan! When was the last time you were at the shooting range? And the obstacle course ....? And 3 km light in 4 minutes? Do you have a diesel engine? No, .... you have bandages, tampons, bandages and tugs, probably half the toilet and the bathroom ... And alcohol .... And it will take a lot .... That's no offense .... But gas mustard from chloropicrin on the pipes of KHPP ...? .... As the commander-in-chief (unforgettable Farada) said: "War is etto ... war ..." ... Probably also teach children to dig trenches .... Well, what? Platoon stronghold ... Dugout in three steps (they only saw logs .... oh! ... hardly) ... no offense, with respect
      1. antivirus
        antivirus April 22 2018 12: 30
        0
        Dugout in three rolls (they only saw logs .... oh! ... hardly) ... no offense, with respect
        ---- Now it’s easier to fence -profiled flooring to disassemble and 18 rolls-bulk, with metal columns.
  48. Tolyamba Zamkadsky
    Tolyamba Zamkadsky April 21 2018 17: 10
    +1
    Quote: Yak28
    Russia will not be able as effective as NATO provide rear, and will not be able to make up for combat losses in the right amount:

    Here !!!
    1. Kolaaps
      Kolaaps April 22 2018 06: 22
      0
      No, your geography teacher was a sucker .... But can NATO !? From stupid frosts and snowfall they fall into a stupor ... Europe has no resources, from the word havsem .... But what’s there, read the memoirs of our illustrious commanders ... Speer read
      1. Ruudi 34
        Ruudi 34 April 22 2018 07: 08
        +2
        Speer didn’t have atomic weapons, my friend. And the FAA didn’t shoot far ..
        1. Kolaaps
          Kolaaps April 22 2018 10: 01
          +1
          That's what my friend .... They are hurling themselves, hurling hyper-super-thermo-c .... perm .... And there will be "a platoon dies near the village of Klyuevka" .... the front end in a word .... or "Indians" smoke from green stuff (Tora Bora, Host, Samashki or square ... 5 minutes) ... and God forbid 4 spare shops and a couple of promedol ampoules ..... well and good luck
          1. Ruudi 34
            Ruudi 34 April 22 2018 14: 34
            +2
            They won’t have to smoke .. Their doctrine is to destroy as many of the population in Russia as possible. And those who remain from horror ... crawl on their knees - cursing their own "leading to war" power. Think about it. Why are we "liberals" pitting us with power and are they mixing us with shit? Suppress the remnants of the mind. Powder our brains. The crowd, brainless and not respecting its own power and itself, does not resist ... In 1941, the Nazis attacked a people who were rational and respecting themselves and their power. The result is known.
            1. Kolaaps
              Kolaaps April 22 2018 17: 03
              +1
              In your own words .... I’ll have to, my dear, I’ll have to .... And climb into holes and dive into the canals .... On your knees - they will not crawl ... not the mentality ... the Bashkirs are hurting ... .temy of the Tatars .... karem .... be nice .... can not you ?! - go to x ..... Forgive me, "bumblebee" ..... nothing to breathe Nichrome is not visible ... ours? - yu .... our ... go ahead (they don’t have the syllable "yu") ........ when all the horror stops ... I will not forgive .... and I will not forget yelling
              1. Ruudi 34
                Ruudi 34 April 22 2018 22: 53
                +1
                Yes, you are a romantic, dear)
                1. Kolaaps
                  Kolaaps April 24 2018 20: 20
                  0
                  Yes, dear ... But it ended when the hole in the thigh began to stink .... And the temperature for 200 ... and marvelous peers ...... Cold fear fatigue dirt ....
                  I mean that there are a lot of romantics on the site (I studied Terkina completely ...)
                  1. Kolaaps
                    Kolaaps April 24 2018 21: 30
                    0
                    Absolutely, the romance ended when they pulled out their own ... As I understand it, the soldiers go on this roof .... Cross the line ... oh I don’t remember how and what the poets ...
                    Citizens! Do not send salag descendants to war! This is very scary ... for commanders and commanders
  49. Doppelgänger
    Doppelgänger April 21 2018 17: 16
    +6
    I will say so, I will not smear shit on a plate, from 70g to 90g most are ready, if necessary, and the end of the 60s will arise. An article on the case, but .... We, the 70s born (as Carlson (who lives on the roof) said, were still in the dawn of forces. And not only forces, many did not bury the oath to the Motherland ....... Of course it’s hard to run already (20 km), and our life was still the same)))) And since it’s hard to run)))))) We won’t run))) I can’t vouch for the youth ... I’ll just say one thing .... And there are normal guys and girls (I don’t take all sorts of different majors, and even that) So .... Take away the b ... top liberal Libya, enter NATO tanks and see who will be vodka (and write graffiti) at the entrances of the capitol)))))
  50. yehat
    yehat April 21 2018 20: 52
    0
    I didn’t like the article - there are a lot of strange passages like counting guards and placing them in the army reserve
    (in general, this meat was not standing at 90%)