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Mystery of Japanese Neutrality

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Japan took possession of oil in the Far East (at that time not yet completely Soviet) in 1920. It was not about concessions or leasing of deposits. Then our aggressive neighbor occupied northern Sakhalin, in addition to southern one. The Japanese did not waste any time. For five years, oilmen of the Land of the Rising Sun conducted intensive geological studies on the east coast of the island, clearly hoping to make Sakhalin their oil appendage. In such a short time, they created all the industrial conditions for the active start of exploration and production drilling.


Of course, the young Soviet state began to show interest in the natural wealth of Siberia and the Far East. However, he did not have the strength and capabilities, given the difficult political situation in the region, in the 20s. As early as the 10th Congress of the CPSU (b) in March 1921, it was stated that "the objects of concessions may be those branches of the national economy whose development will clearly raise the level of development of the productive forces of Russia."

But it was not yet possible to expel the Japanese from northern Sakhalin. The situation seemed hopeless. And then the Russian leadership decided to seek help from the United States. Representatives of the Far Eastern Republic of 14 in May 1921 of the year signed a preliminary agreement with the American oil company Sinclair Oil on a concession for oil production in northern Sakhalin.

Mystery of Japanese Neutrality


Already on May 31, the US Secretary of State sent a note to the Mikado government with a firm statement that the United States could not agree to the adoption of any measures by the Japanese authorities that would violate Russia's territorial integrity.

The American company, in accordance with the concession agreement, received two plots of 1000 square. km for gas and oil production for 36 years. Sinclair Oil pledged to spend at least 200 thousand dollars on exploration and production, and to launch two drilling rigs within two years. The rent was set at 5% of the gross annual production, but not less than 50 thousand dollars. But, unfortunately, the Americans did not take any steps to squeeze the Japanese from northern Sakhalin. On the contrary, through the United States, Tokyo offered Russia only to sell the island and thereby solve all the political and economic problems in the region. Of course, this kind of proposal was rejected.

20 January 1925 in Beijing was signed "The Convention on the basic principles of relations between the USSR and Japan." She put an end to the occupation of northern Sakhalin by Japanese forces and restored the Portsmouth Peace Treaty of 1905. The famous American historian D. Stephen called this Convention “a brilliant victory of Soviet diplomacy. The Russians achieved the withdrawal of Japanese troops from northern Sakhalin without the use of force, although even in 1924, many politicians believed that Japan would either annex or redeem this territory. Moreover, they officially confirmed the USSR’s sovereign right to this part of the island. This move dispelled the hope of some Japanese circles that someday the entire Sakhalin Island, like ripe persimmon, would fall into the empire's basket. "

At the same time, Protocol “A”, Article IV, of the document signed in Beijing, says “In the interest of developing economic relations between both countries and taking into account the needs of Japan regarding natural wealth, the USSR government is ready to give Japanese citizens, companies and associations concessions for exploitation of mineral, forest and other natural resources throughout the USSR ”.

Protocol "B" concerned all issues of concession relations between the two countries, which must be implemented within five months from the date of the complete evacuation of the Japanese troops from Northern Sakhalin.

The Japanese in the Beijing document were not satisfied with everything - no wonder they invested so much money in the exploration and development of the natural resources of the occupied territory. They demanded to transfer to them a concession of almost all or at least 60% of oil wells. After long negotiations of 14 in December of 1925 by Russia and Japan, an agreement on concessions was signed - Japan received 50% of oil and coal deposits for the period from 40 to 50 years.

The Japanese were obliged to deduct to the councils as a payment for a concession from five to 45% gross income. Also, the concessionaire was obliged to pay local and state taxes, rent. The Japanese could import labor from their own country, in the ratio of 25% unqualified and 50% of skilled workers.

In 1926, as part of the Japanese concession, the company established the Joint-Stock Company of the North-Sakhalin Oil Entrepreneurs, whose fixed capital was 10 million yen (200 thousand shares in 50 yen), the paid-up capital was four million yen. The major shareholders were the country's largest firms, right up to Mitsubishi Gooshi. The Americans missed their chance to get cheap oil and gas - they had a lot of energy donors in the world. In 1925, the contract with Sinclair Oil was terminated by the Russian authorities.

By the 30 years, oil production at the North Sakhalin concession stabilized at the level of 160-180 thousand tons per year.

The fulfillment of concession conditions was controlled by a special commission, which included representatives of the Sakhalin Revolutionary Committee, Sakhalin Mining District, members of various people's commissariats. The People's Commissariat of Labor brought to the notice of Dalkontsesskom a provision on the organization of strict control over the implementation of the Soviet labor legislation by the concession, but at the same time pointed to the need for a cautious approach to concessionaires. The Politburo of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) gave explanations to local authorities that sanctions against concessionaires and foreign workers could be carried out only with the consent of the NKID, and the arrest of Japanese employees can only be carried out with the permission of the USSR Prosecutor or the people's commissar of internal affairs.

The distrust of local authorities to the concessionaires affected the practice of Japanese enterprises. The administration of concessions appealed for help to their government, wrote letters to the NKID and other authorities. In this connection, in March 1932 received a telegram from the Center to Sakhalin, stating that “the executive committee and other authorities ... behave defiantly towards the Japanese concessionaires ... the Central Committee orders ... to immediately order the authorities on Sakhalin not to create reasons for conflict. Do not exaggerate the matter with questions about labor protection, strictly punish the guilty in violation of the directives of the Soviet government and contracts with the Japanese. "

Between the government of Japan and the concession enterprises established strong ties, which were expressed in the right of the government to carry out, through their representatives, monitoring the progress of production and commercial operations. Every year, starting in 1926, representatives of a number of Japanese departments came to Okha, and the consul closely followed the work of the concessions and the relations between the Soviet institutions and the enterprises of the concessions.

Tokyo even had plans to organize a visit to the north of Sakhalin by the young emperor Hirohito, who, being the crown prince, managed in 1925 to visit only the southern Japanese part of the island.





But this could have been regarded in the USSR as a blatant claim to annexation, and all the concession benefits could then be forgotten forever. The government of the country received deductions from the activities of the oil company in the event that the amount of profit exceeded 15% of the paid-up capital. All the oil produced was surrendered to the Japanese maritime ministry, which exercised control over business activities in northern Sakhalin.

Oil production by concessionaires grew - during the existence of the concession, the Japanese exported northern Sakhalin, mainly for the needs of their Navy, more than two million tons of oil. But it cannot be said that the Sakhalin concession only benefited our overseas neighbors. The implementation of the concession showed the Soviet side the possibility and expediency of oil production in northern Sakhalin.

The significance of the oil concessions for the Soviet side was determined by the fact that their activities proved the possibility and expediency of oil production in North Sakhalin. Pushed to the creation and deployment of work by the Soviet trust "Sakhalinneft" (organized in 1928 year), which the concessionaire provided significant assistance in organizing production and establishing the household sphere, Namely, the trust was given the opportunity to use electricity from concession power plants, use oil pipelines and tanks storage of oil, to provide loans for the purchase of equipment abroad, the population of the fields were supplied with goods and products.

Japan, which occupied Korea and Manchuria in 1941, actually dominated the Far East. The center of industrial production, which included mining, and gigantic production at that time, was among the Japanese in this region, and the USSR was far in the European part. From the point of view of military power, both sea and land, it was possible to proceed only from the fact that in the event of Japanese aggression the Red Army would only hold out until reinforcements from the western part of our country arrived.

It is widely believed that the samurai kept our victories on Hassan and Khalkhin Gol from starting a war. In part, this is so, intoxicated by the chain of continuous military triumphs, our neighbors for the first time knew then the bitterness of defeat. However, Japan was forced to conclude a neutrality pact with the USSR in 1941. What prompted the Japanese to take such a step?

Oddly enough, the reason was economic interests. Tokyo and its main ally, Berlin, were in dire need of natural resources. There were more or less metals, but the situation with oil was extremely difficult. Germany was somehow rescued by the Romanian oil fields, but the Yamato empire had already ended its oil by the 1920 years, there was no “black gold” on the subordinate lands of Korea and Manchuria either.

The main suppliers were American corporations - they were the ones who supplied up to 80-90 percent of all the oil that Tokyo needed. Oil was sorely lacking. As an alternative, they considered the supply of oil from the southern territories, then under the authority of Holland and Great Britain. But the campaign for her meant armed conflict with these European countries. The Japanese understood that the formation of the axis Rome-Berlin-Tokyo and the war with the United States would completely block the American “oil well”. Berlin’s repeated demands on the Japanese to unleash a war against the USSR would have meant an inevitable defeat for a Far Eastern ally.

Where to get oil? There was only one option left - in the Soviet Union, on Sakhalin ... That is why in the fall of 1940, the Japanese ambassador offered V.Molotov an agreement on neutrality in exchange for preserving the Sakhalin concessions. And consent was obtained.

However, the war changed the plans of politicians. When signing the Neutrality Pact between the USSR and Japan in 1941, the Japanese side assured that all concessions would be eliminated by 1941. The German attack on the USSR delayed the solution of this issue until 1944. Only then in Moscow was a protocol signed under which Japanese oil and coal concessions were transferred to the ownership of the USSR. Among the reasons that forced Japan not to drag out the process even further, one cannot but single out - under the blows of the American fleet The Japanese Navy was practically unable to ensure the safe transportation of oil extracted on Sakhalin to the metropolis.

The concession that provided Japan with the proximity of energy sources largely influenced the Mikado government’s decision not to cooperate with Germany in its attack on the Soviet Union in June 1941. It turned out to be very beneficial for the USSR, and not only in monetary terms, but also in terms of development experience of remote regions. But during the war, the most important thing was political gain - by holding back Japan, the Soviet Union avoided a war on two fronts. The long neutrality of the eastern neighbor allowed the USSR to concentrate its combat efforts on the Western front for several years, which largely predetermined the outcome of the war.
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  1. Vard
    Vard April 21 2018 06: 20
    +6
    Very interesting facts ... In general, there is a feeling that ours acted much more competently with Japan than they did in the western direction ...
    1. antivirus
      antivirus April 21 2018 08: 57
      +1
      Our Japan acted much more competently than in the western direction ...

      TOTAL LESS INTENSIVE EXCHANGE WAS
      small population and not a significant amount of money - you can forgive.
      and the local authorities "clamped" not without casualties.
      imperialism took its toll and the fight for seizing positions before the revenge of 1905 went on for 40 years
    2. strannik1985
      strannik1985 April 21 2018 18: 56
      +6
      This did not stop declaring the secret mobilization of 1941 thousand people in the summer of 500, allocating 800 thousand tons of trade tonnage for their transportation, doubling KvaA (more than 700 thousand people, there were 16 thousand people on the territory of Manchuria and Korea by August 1941, 850).
      In fact, everything is very simple, the Japanese wanted to weaken the spacecraft in the Far East by about half, and since this did not happen, the Japanese wanted to go. They do not need a long and bloody war, they have their own oil reserves for 1 year, the capture of the British and Dutch colonies in Southeast Asia gives oil, and the capture of the Far East does not. At the same time, the strategic capture of the Far East is in the interests of Japan, if the USSR is defeated in the war, then the Allies will have more problems with Germany, i.e.Japan is easier.
  2. Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 21 2018 06: 32
    +1
    The idea of ​​concessions was actively used. Resources, of course, were running out. But the infrastructure was emerging. It is no accident that in the 90s - 2000s the concept of concession was actively returned to the concept.
  3. YELLOWSTONE
    YELLOWSTONE April 21 2018 06: 59
    0
    Very uncomfortable they became in the early 30s when the Navy gave way to the importance of the Air Force
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/ТБ-3
    "Around 1938, a day-long flight was made over the Japanese islands, during which campaign leaflets were scattered [specify].
    During the fighting near Lake Khasan in the summer of 1938, 41 TB-3RN bomber participated in the bombing of the heights of Zaozernaya and Bezymyannaya on August 6, 1938 [1].
    During the battles at Khalkhin Gol in the summer of 1939, the TB-3 was used as a night bomber (more than 500 sorties were carried out in total), and also as a military transport aircraft [2]. "

    they only ventured to show teeth with the beginning of the obsolescence of this four-engine (like B-29) aircraft manufactured in 818 pieces, before entering into the anti-Comintern pact with Germany, although they were supported by the same England, France and the USA against the USSR, and then they 1941 lost, so no need for concessions, such a concentration of military aircraft as on Khalkhin Gol was never later then anywhere in the Second World War, the Japanese were defeated there and the countries returned to restore their potential, despite the Strange War in Europe, then they left months.
  4. Nikitin
    Nikitin April 21 2018 08: 13
    +7
    The US demanded that Japan leave China and the Far East, which she did.
    It turned out to be interesting: the USA drove deliveries under Lend-Lease to the USSR, and at that time (until 1944) it supplied oil to Japan, which was fighting against the USA recourse
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ April 21 2018 08: 58
      +6
      And the American "Standart Oil" through Spain during WWII supplied Hitler Germany with fuel.
      1. Hole puncher
        Hole puncher April 21 2018 13: 43
        +2
        Quote: Aviator_
        And the American "Standart Oil" through Spain during WWII supplied Hitler Germany with fuel.

        You are trying to pass off as truth the speculation of one person who was trying to make a sensation on the alleged betrayal of a private company. Similar tales are on a par with Nazi bases on the moon and in Antarctica. You are trying to equate the betrayal of private individuals with state policy, how ugly.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker April 21 2018 13: 50
          +2
          Quote: Puncher
          You are trying to equate the betrayal of private individuals with state policy, how ugly.

          Mr. Trump should be very ashamed of the fate of Rusal and Mr. Deripaska. Is the US Treasury piercing
        2. Aviator_
          Aviator_ April 21 2018 17: 49
          +4
          Well, yes, both the Swedish iron ore in the third Reich, and the 20-mm Oerlikon Swiss anti-aircraft guns are also “one-man speculation”.
        3. YELLOWSTONE
          YELLOWSTONE April 21 2018 23: 31
          0
          eo everything was within the framework of state policy and senator (at that time) Truman expressed only a common opinion
          1. YELLOWSTONE
            YELLOWSTONE April 22 2018 07: 13
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            more precisely "universal" and as a guide to action
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich April 22 2018 05: 43
        +2
        Quote: Aviator_
        And the American "Standart Oil" through Spain during WWII supplied Hitler Germany with fuel.

        Sold - to Spain - with no one not warring country.
        And Sakhalin oil went directly warring Japan. Do not catch the differences?
        1. YELLOWSTONE
          YELLOWSTONE April 22 2018 06: 10
          +2
          are you bored?
          Spain, Portugal, Sweden, Switzerland, Truciya resold it all to those who need it.
          did such a blue division come to the Soviet Union for fishing?
          By the way, Germany itself began also by not declaring war.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich April 22 2018 06: 48
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            Quote: YELLOWSTONE
            are you bored?

            belay fool
            Quote: YELLOWSTONE
            Spain, Portugal, Sweden, Switzerland, Truciya resold it all to those who need it.

            And?
            Quote: YELLOWSTONE
            did such a blue division come to the Soviet Union for fishing?

            no.
            Quote: YELLOWSTONE
            by the way Germany itself also began by not declaring war.

            Why "by the way"? belay
            1. YELLOWSTONE
              YELLOWSTONE April 22 2018 06: 50
              +1
              to the fact that her Spain generally forgot to announce
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich April 22 2018 06: 55
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                Quote: YELLOWSTONE
                to the fact that her Spain in general forgot to announce

                Germany she declared war on June 22, 1941
                1. YELLOWSTONE
                  YELLOWSTONE April 22 2018 07: 15
                  +1
                  you did not hear in Vichy that Germany attacked the USSR without its declaration?
                  for some reason I’m not surprised!
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich April 23 2018 05: 05
                    +2
                    Quote: YELLOWSTONE
                    you did not hear in Vichy that Germany attacked the USSR without its declaration?

                    Are YOURSELF in Toronto-hear? Apparently not:
                    YELLOWSTONE, by the way, Germany itself began also by not declaring war. to the fact that her Spain in general forgot to announce
                    .
                    Once again for the tankman: Germany ANNOUNCED the war, unlike Spain.
                    1. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE April 23 2018 08: 33
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                      for you in Paris - she first attacked, and then “announced”, not at all like your beautiful French, also with strangenesses (just the opposite, she announced and did not attack).
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich April 23 2018 08: 52
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                        Quote: YELLOWSTONE
                        for you in Paris

                        Learn to contact YOU.
                        And speak Russian
                      2. Alex1117
                        Alex1117 April 28 2018 18: 09
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                        Not certainly in that way. It was just Stalin who gave Molotov the command to accept Schulenburg after the Germans began military operations.
                    2. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE April 23 2018 09: 08
                      0
                      go your Eliseev fields, join the ROA, or into the honorable foreign legion - there is a vacancy
          2. YELLOWSTONE
            YELLOWSTONE April 22 2018 06: 48
            +1
            and one more small difference - Japan had excellent Philippine and Indonesian oil, and Germany could not continue the war without American supplies
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich April 22 2018 06: 55
              +5
              Quote: YELLOWSTONE
              and one more small difference - Japan had excellent Philippine and Indonesian oil, and Germany could not continue the war without American supplies

              You would know about ROMANIA and about synthetic fuel
              1. YELLOWSTONE
                YELLOWSTONE April 22 2018 07: 16
                0
                are you so bored that you still don’t know that it wasn’t suitable for motor oil?
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich April 23 2018 05: 32
                  +1
                  Quote: YELLOWSTONE
                  you are so bored that you still don’t know what it oil was not suitable for motors

                  Who is she"? Romania? lol
                  In RUSSIAN, take the trouble to speak. yes
                  1. YELLOWSTONE
                    YELLOWSTONE April 23 2018 08: 28
                    0
                    romanian oil
                    would you be russian would you understand yes
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich April 23 2018 09: 08
                      +1
                      Quote: YELLOWSTONE
                      would you be russian would you understand

                      Since I am Russian, I understand exactly Russian, and not the abracadabra that you write.
                      1. YELLOWSTONE
                        YELLOWSTONE April 23 2018 09: 42
                        0
                        At least at the expense of oil understood?
            2. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh April 23 2018 00: 10
              +2
              Delivered to neutral Portugal, that sold to Spain, that Vichy and further to Germany. Everyone left to himself for his economies.
              Deliveries (resale through Vichy) were insignificant in quantity and did not make the weather.
              By the way, Portugal-Spain oil supplies were provided that Spain maintained neutrality.
              She was thus kept from an alliance with Hitler. For example, Hitler asked Franco to transport the Wehrmacht to Africa against the British through the territory of Spain. Franco refused.
              1. YELLOWSTONE
                YELLOWSTONE April 23 2018 00: 32
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                left several times less than bought, but can it be delivered not through a neutral country?
                engine without oil will not start in any
                German and submariners often relaxed with Spanish and Portuguese friends
                not to Africa but to the gibaltar, in Africa and so was the African Rommel corps
                for some reason, there were no reciprocal problems with the transfer of Spanish troops to Russia
                1. Seal
                  Seal April 28 2018 17: 14
                  +1
                  Turkey also refused to Hitler.
                  Let's start from this moment.
                  On April 1, 1941, a pro-Nazi military coup, known as the Rashid Ali Coup or the Golden Four Coup, took place in Iraq. The massacre of all those who looked like the British began. The Germans requested Turkey to let German troops through Iraq through Turkey. The Turks refused. Then the Germans asked to be allowed at least to carry weapons to Iraq through the territory of Turkey. In real history, Turkey refused this to Hitler Germany.
                  The Germans could build an air bridge from Greece to Rhodes (it.), From there to Syria (Vichy), and from there to Iraq.
                  But the British air bases in Crete would not allow the air bridge to work .. either in general or work efficiently.
                  Therefore, the Germans needed to either take Crete, or, for example, declare war on Turkey and capture it. But the capture of Turkey was impossible both in time (the Germans did not have time, as they planned an attack on us), nor enough forces in the Balkans to attack Turkey.
                  In the end, what happened happened.
                  The Germans took Crete (ditching their airborne troops there, which resulted in the fact that during the Great Patriotic Germans we never landed not only operational, but even tactical assault), but lost to Iraq.
                  The British pulled up troops from India and by May 31 took Baghdad.

                  And if you imagine that Turkey missed German troops in Iraq. Moreover, she not only missed, but also sent her troops there. It also provided the Germans with its airfields in Turkey, including in the east of the country, not far from Iraq (and also from Baku with its oil fields). As a result of joint German-Turkish assistance to the pro-Nazi uprising in Iraq, the British counter-offensive was stopped, and British troops in Iraq were defeated. In Iraq, the pro-Nazi Rashid Ali al Gailani was firmly established. Syria and Lebanon remained under the control of the pro-Nazi government of Vichy. In Iran, I recall, the pro-Nazi Shah also ruled. There was a threat from the Germans to strike in the direction of the Suez Canal from Lebanon and Syria through Palestine. The Germans also got the opportunity through pro-Nazi Iran to provide assistance to the Indian fascists.
                  In real history, the Germans on March 31, 1941 in Libya dealt a powerful blow to the British,
                  On the night of April 4, Italo-German troops occupied Benghazi without a fight, and on April 10 approached Tobruk, which was surrounded by them the next day. The attempts of the Italo-German troops to seize Tobruk on the move were unsuccessful, and they directed their main forces towards Egypt. On April 12, troops entered Bardia; on April 15 they occupied Sidi Omar, Es Sallum, the passage of Halfaya, and the oasis of Jarabub. On this their progress in real history stopped.
                  1. Seal
                    Seal April 28 2018 17: 15
                    +1
                    And in virtual? But in the virtual, having suffered a defeat in Iraq, the British are no longer forced to send Indian troops from India on all fronts, but rather strengthen British troops in India. Wavell did not receive reinforcements in Egypt. Moreover, he himself was forced to send part of his forces to cover the borders of Palestine and Transjordan. But it did not help. An anti-British uprising led by the Jerusalem mufti broke out in Palestine. The Germans, Turks and the forces of Vichy France struck from Syria and Lebanon and within a week ended up on the east coast of the Suez Canal. Rommel threw his troops from the west towards Cairo to weakened British units. British troops surrendered in Egypt on May 31, 1941. The British fleet was locked in the Mediterranean, with no bases other than Malta and Gibraltar. Franco begins the blockade of Gibraltar, the Germans establish their guns on the Spanish territory near Gibraltar, taking the strait of Gibraltar at gunpoint.
                    In the name of saving the fleet, locked in the Mediterranean Sea and several hundred thousand British captured in Egypt, on June 5, 1941, Churchill resigned and left for Canada. The new British government on June 15, 1941 entered into a truce with Germany.
                    Here it is, virtual reality. A week before June 22, 1941, the USSR was left alone, without future allies, under the threat of attack not only from the West, but also from the south. The Germans have Iranian and Iraqi oil. From Turkish, Iraqi and Iranian airfields, German bombers simply get not only our oil fields in Baku, but also in the Maykop area. The USSR did not yet have other sources of oil at that time.
                    After the British came out of the war, the United States sat on a flat priest across the ocean.
                    Japan prefers to act together with Nazi Germany against the USSR.
                    The Italian, German, and French (Vichy) fleets entered the Black Sea on June 21, 1941.
                    In view of the threat of a Japanese attack, the USSR cannot transfer anything to the West.
                    1. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE April 28 2018 17: 39
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                      In real life, Turkey was needed as a neutral re-exporter of oil and oil, the same with Spain.

                      Roads from Europe through straits and mountainous Turkey did not have a large capacity; in the Black Sea, as in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, aircraft and not the fleet dominated, all the major Yapos naval bases in the radius of bombers from Primorye, and the same USSR would not sit and wait for it encircled from all sides, and the Germans get burning Baghdad oil fields. The Soviet-English introduction of troops into Iran is an example of this.
                      1. Alex1117
                        Alex1117 April 28 2018 21: 00
                        0
                        Here is an interesting version, and you write some nonsense. Hitler, did he want to win the war or wanted to get oil, but he didn’t care about winning the war?
                        And what does the road have to do with it? Even before World War I from Europe, through Istanbul, to Baghdad could be reached by train !!!!!!!
                        And in the end, the Germans could calmly transfer their troops to Iraq by air over Turkish territory. They could have deployed their same landing corps of 16 thousand people, which they soon threw over the air to Crete.
                    2. Alex1117
                      Alex1117 April 28 2018 20: 53
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                      Touching India. The fact that instead of the transfer of troops from India to Egypt - the British would have to send troops from everywhere to India, you mean the readiness in India to raise exactly the same uprising as in Iraq, since there, in India, the position of the Indian Nazis in India was very strong led by Subhas Chandra Bos? And the British in India did not like in principle?
                      1. YELLOWSTONE
                        YELLOWSTONE April 28 2018 21: 16
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                        Quote: Alex1117
                        Here is an interesting version, and you write some nonsense. Hitler, did he want to win the war or wanted to get oil, but he didn’t care about winning the war?
                        And what does the road have to do with it? Even before World War I from Europe, through Istanbul, to Baghdad could be reached by train !!!!!!!
                        And in the end, the Germans could calmly transfer their troops to Iraq by air over Turkish territory. They could have deployed their same landing corps of 16 thousand people, which they soon threw over the air to Crete.

                        in this way your Hitler wouldn’t get oil and lose the war even faster
                        on one railroad that the USSR did not bomb for a war with some Japan
                        through the air with great difficulty the Germans captured a small island
                        you two write alternatively gifted interesting bullshit, and all in order to get the American Standard Oil supplies to the Nazis yes
  5. naidas
    naidas April 21 2018 11: 44
    +2
    Maybe it wasn’t necessary to fight Japan, let the USA and Japan fight, but the USSR was built.
    1. Looking for
      Looking for April 21 2018 12: 02
      +1
      Unfortunately, the entry of the USSR into the war with Japan was one of the conditions of Lend-Lease and the opening of a second front.
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi April 21 2018 13: 38
        +3
        Quote: Seeker
        Unfortunately, the entry of the USSR into the war with Japan was one of the conditions of Lend-Lease and the opening of a second front.

        That's not true.
        1. YELLOWSTONE
          YELLOWSTONE April 21 2018 23: 32
          +2
          and what is the truth?
          This was demanded from the USSR in Tehran, Potsdam and Yalta.
      2. kan123
        kan123 April 23 2018 13: 08
        0
        Why "Unfortunately? Japanese troops stood in China, where they did fascist affairs, no less, and maybe more, than Hitler in Europe. The USSR could not enter there. Otherwise, Japanese troops would be replaced by American, for example. The USSR of doomed Japanese threw out fascist American scum from China, in fact.
  6. andrey-ivanov
    andrey-ivanov April 21 2018 13: 05
    +5
    Oh, but now oil and gas on the Sakhalin shelf is pumped by the American Exxon company. Oil is transported by tankers to South Korea and Japan. Part of it leaves for the USA. But Sakhalin itself “sits” on everything imported, because not a single drop of oil and a cubic meter of gas from the Sakhalin shelf fell onto Sakhalin itself. When the documents for the project were signed at Bor, the drunkard, Russia generally got mixed up with Gulkin ... you know what. Already somewhere in 2006-2008, Rosneft won by hook or by crook a bit more profit from the project. Now, against the backdrop of sanctions, the State Department is pressing on Exxon and those reluctantly (so much dough is lost!) Are beginning to curtail their cooperation with Russian companies - many projects for the further development of infrastructure are frozen indefinitely.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion April 21 2018 22: 56
      +1
      They put him on the neck of Boryu-drunk, now you have to endure until there is a new 45, until that moment every improvement will have to be won.
  7. nivander
    nivander April 21 2018 15: 20
    +2
    there was also fishing and forest concessions + the passage of Soviet ships through the Kuril Straits and the production of seafood in the Yap economic zone
    1. YELLOWSTONE
      YELLOWSTONE April 21 2018 23: 34
      +1
      it would not have saved everything from Japanese aggression, and they didn’t even allow straights to go to warships in Kamchatka, they carried out lawlessness on civilian ships during inspections and half were arrested, the other half were sunk in races with the Americans.
  8. EvilLion
    EvilLion April 21 2018 22: 54
    +2
    In principle, the entire war for Japan came down precisely to control over already developed territories, primarily oil-bearing ones. In this regard, Sakhalin could and could be captured, and captured quickly, in the fall of the 41 of the USSR it could not have prevented this, but production on Sakhalin is generally scanty and cannot be quickly increased, even if the deposits were explored, for this it would have to invest huge resources and send huge armies of workers.

    It was possible to win on the mainland from the Red Army, not immediately, but help from the west would hardly have come, but again, there is an empty territory, even local residents are too few to build anything. That is why no one is trying to capture Siberia with the Far East, nor Canada, Australia, nor the north of Canada, nor western Brazil, it’s easier to buy from the owner of the territory what he will get there by investing resources in advance. Whether it’s Korea, it’s like near the Primorsky Territory, but at least there are Koreans.
    1. YELLOWSTONE
      YELLOWSTONE April 22 2018 06: 19
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      Yes, under Hassan and on Khalkhin Gol it was also possible, only something happened, though not immediately, but vice versa
      and you also forgot that for TB-3 and all sorts of IL-4 from the ADD, in order to bomb the Japanese islands of Tinian, you didn’t have to capture the islands, they got from Primorye in all directions
      1. YELLOWSTONE
        YELLOWSTONE April 22 2018 06: 54
        +1
        all bases of the Japanese Navy except Okinawa were within the radius of IL-4 with 1 ton bomb
        getting one such even in superlinkor is a lot
        from Primorye to Kure closer than from Berlin to Saaremaa
  9. M. Michelson
    M. Michelson April 23 2018 02: 28
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    Well, if this mystery is fully revealed, then it will turn out to be "always untimely." The Japanese were forced to refrain from opening another front, against the USSR ... the United States, dramatically increasing pressure on Japan in the second half. 1941, alluding to the possibility of even war. For the fall of the USSR and the victory of the Axis in the Old World called into question the future hegemony of America in the world. Therefore, it was necessary to threaten Japan very harshly until the call of fire (the relics of which, of course, they could not imagine) on themselves.
    Thus, having gotten involved in a conflict with the USSR in the then conditions, Japan would have faced the prospect of a war not only on 2 fronts (which Germany was so afraid of) - on 3! Did they need this?
    1. YELLOWSTONE
      YELLOWSTONE April 23 2018 02: 46
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      if until the end there were no such statements, the United States and Holland with the help of the Japanese gradually reduced the number of Chinese since 1931, and used Japan against Russia and the USSR since 1855, preventing the Japanese from finally defeating China by continuously introducing and lifting the oil embargo, at the same time fictitious for the press was helping the Chinese with a dozen pilots (the USSR helped hundreds).
      That is, until the end of November 1941, the USA was against the USSR on the Japanese side
  10. kan123
    kan123 April 23 2018 12: 53
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    In Japanese neutrality, there is no secret - it simply did not exist. Japan in relation to the USSR, was ruled from Berlin. And what does Berlin need? He needs a victory, without competitors. The Red Army was given weeks and three months - as the time it takes to move the Wehrmacht. Hitler ordered the Japanese not to eat his pie.
    Secondly, you saw the fascist agreement? And what would they not throw? There is not a single fascist treaty signed by Hitler wherever he throws. No one. He joked so much that he liquidated even when it was not profitable for him. That’s the whole price of this Japanese neutrality. He could and should have been violated at any time. Sobsno in Hitler’s headquarters, they explicitly raised the question, in October 1941 when the Germans began to get stuck — about the entry of Japan into the war. Gitrel Luizych directly raised the question - how can one calculate when Japan enters the war. That is, in Hitler’s headquarters, this neutrality was not considered at all - that is, the inclusion of Japan was a matter of Hitler’s decision, an ordinary matter.
    But the United States violated these plans, began to annex TO the region, and Japan was no longer up to the USSR. And by the way, these Siberian divisions, deployed near Moscow, there was an obvious risk - the Japons specifically consolidated, built bridgeheads, on the same Kuril Islands, for attack. (for what else) - and the transfer of these Siberians was the salvation of the center, it turned out to be the right decision.
    In the US, 78% of the population, according to polls, refused to get involved in a war on the continent. The US authorities, the bastard Roosevelt, needed to change this attitude - they gave it to the Japanese Pierre Harbor, to tear it apart - for three months fleets went, pulled themselves to these islands, from where all the aircraft carriers were withdrawn, and "nobody noticed them" (!!!!?!?!! ) is an idiotic question for US history textbooks. And 80% of Americans "wanted to fight." What does the poor depressed population throw off for this war? They collected money from them, so that some hucksters would seize assets all over the world. The Japanese were no longer up to the USSR, and not up to the plans of Berlin - and no one believed in this neutrality - at that time, already frank nerds like Chamberlain ceased to believe in the Nazis.
  11. Seal
    Seal April 28 2018 17: 03
    +1
    Quote: Aviator_
    And the American "Standart Oil" through Spain during WWII supplied Hitler Germany with fuel.

    Well, and we, almost the entire war, until 1944, supplied oil to Japan, with which the States fought. And not just oil. On North Sakhalin there were both coal and forest Japanese concessions. Moreover, German submarines periodically dropped in on the Kuril Islands. And it turns out that with their oil, from which the Japanese made diesel fuel, German submarines were refueled.
    1. YELLOWSTONE
      YELLOWSTONE April 28 2018 17: 46
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      That's it... yes Standard Oil stirred.
      Japan was supplied with oil from the captured Philippines and Indonesia, if Sakhalin was so important, then in 1941 they would have organized again just in 1938-1939 only a big war with the USSR and would have taken it and not got to fight the Americans for the Philippines.
  12. Seal
    Seal April 28 2018 17: 08
    +1
    Quote: Seeker
    Unfortunately, the entry of the USSR into the war with Japan was one of the conditions of Lend-Lease and the opening of a second front.

    You haven’t messed up anything? Roosevelt signed the Act on the connection to the USSR Lend-Lease on October 1, 1941. The first Lend-Lease deliveries went to us through Iran in November 1941.
    But Pearl Harbor happened only in December 1941.
    You need to look better .... looking ... damn it.
    1. YELLOWSTONE
      YELLOWSTONE April 28 2018 17: 48
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      3/4 deliveries went through Iran and these were goods manufactured in India
      the main shaft of Lend-Lease came at the final stage of the war, before Kursk there were no significant supplies at all
      mass deliveries to the Nazis began in the summer of 1942
      1. Alex1117
        Alex1117 April 28 2018 18: 38
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        And what's this? The main thing is that Lend-Lease deliveries began before the United States entered the war.
        1. YELLOWSTONE
          YELLOWSTONE April 28 2018 19: 12
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          the main thing is that without American deliveries from the summer of 1942 the Germans could not fight, and the USSR could and fought without Lend-Lease
          and how they “started” the tips showed the abandoned PQ-17 after which they were gone for more than six months

          What was this for?
          Quote: Alex1117
          Not certainly in that way. It was just Stalin who gave Molotov the command to accept Schulenburg after the Germans began military operations.

          Not at all, the Foreign Ministry actually works from 9 a.m. to 18 p.m. and the Germans started the database earlier than at 4 a.m., especially against the Navy bases.
          1. Alex1117
            Alex1117 April 28 2018 21: 05
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            Do you generally follow the topic or what? SW Seal clearly denied the allegation that Lend-Lease deals were conditional on the Soviet Union's obligation to enter the war against Japan. And that’s it !!!! And you ...... are you there, across the oceans, what, all levels of the unforgettable Psaki?
            1. YELLOWSTONE
              YELLOWSTONE April 28 2018 21: 19
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              also for how much and what he pushes them here with you
              this Lend-Lease went for the most part only after 1943
              1. Alex1117
                Alex1117 April 29 2018 22: 42
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                Who cares when the main stream went. You, trying to be a stopper to each barrel, just do not follow who, to whom and what answers. You stick with your opinions in one conversation, then in another conversation, not understanding what it is about and .... and like a finger in ... into the sky.
                1. YELLOWSTONE
                  YELLOWSTONE April 29 2018 22: 53
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                  Quote: Alex1117
                  Who cares when the main stream went.

                  ??
          2. Alex1117
            Alex1117 April 29 2018 22: 52
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            Listen, you victim .... of Western education. Read at least the "Diaries of S. M. Budenny." There are on the Internet. And the logbook of those entering Stalin, which was led by Poskrebyshev, says that Budyonny is a real witness.
            1. YELLOWSTONE
              YELLOWSTONE April 29 2018 23: 13
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              do you have any?
              why the Germans, as Italians, did not look for the Soviet ambassador at sea?
              A budyenny real witness that the Germans bombed and mined the fleet bases at 1:30 and the ambassador was not allowed until 4:00+?
              persecute you like Goebbels prescribed
  13. Seal
    Seal April 28 2018 17: 12
    +1
    Quote: YELLOWSTONE
    to the fact that her Spain generally forgot to announce

    Spain did not declare war on us not because it had forgotten. Spain has not officially fought with us at all. Franco announced that the Blue Division is a military formation, not part of the Armed Forces of Spainconsisting solely of volunteers. Well, such as the Spanish answer to our "Don Miguel" and others. They are fighting, they say, by themselves, we ask you not to express complaints to us.
    1. YELLOWSTONE
      YELLOWSTONE April 28 2018 17: 53
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      Spaniards can be understood, but a whole and separate regular (but not part of the Armed Forces) volunteer division is too much fool they, as a separate crowd, went in formation and did not join the German or Italian Armed Forces, with Italy and then the USSR had a state of war.
      Hitler also couldn’t declare it at all, especially since almost all Germans went to war with enthusiasm and voluntarily, and who didn’t even go to the Wehrmacht (SS) and in SS which had the heaviest tanks
      and the Soviet Union, by the way, in Spain provided assistance to the “legitimate government” (fighting the German Air Force and the Condor legion as well), so the rebellious Franco was not obliged to formally declare war, but from the point of view of international laws this would not work.
      1. Alex1117
        Alex1117 April 28 2018 21: 10
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        We had a war with Italy. True, they announced it to us somewhat comically. Since the Germans did not warn Mussolini about the beginning of the war with the USSR, in the morning of June 22, 1941 Mussolini decided to declare war on the USSR and officially formalized his decision. But since it was Sunday, in Italy for a long time our ambassador could not hand him a note declaring war. Our ambassador went on a swim at sea on Saturday, but there were no mobile phones then. We found an ambassador in the late afternoon. And handed a note on the declaration of war. You are not here in the subject?
        1. YELLOWSTONE
          YELLOWSTONE April 28 2018 21: 23
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          And this is your next pornography to do with it? There was no one else in the embassy and no one was following the Soviet ambassador? Yes, on the eve of such events?
          1. Alex1117
            Alex1117 April 29 2018 22: 39
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            You would be watching yourself. Your "wisdom" here is already pretty much .... in short, you understand. Read the "History of Diplomacy" in the end. How much can one be dishonored? Or are you .. a masochist?
            1. YELLOWSTONE
              YELLOWSTONE April 29 2018 22: 55
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              these are your problems with him.
              stuck in something, first he and then ...
              "history of diplomacy," pokemonoff catchers, yes
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdnEx13C904
  14. Seal
    Seal April 28 2018 17: 23
    +1
    Quote: Aviator_
    And the American "Standart Oil" through Spain during WWII supplied Hitler Germany with fuel.

    Until 22.06.1941/01.09.1939/XNUMX the main supplier of Nazi Germany was ... guess three times who? And the Second World War went by the way from XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX.
    1. YELLOWSTONE
      YELLOWSTONE April 28 2018 18: 47
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      World War II began with the invasion of France in May 1940, before that there was a Strange War yes (they played football in the upper room, all that).
      Well, and who? Germany had no borders with other states, didn’t it? The USSR was not a supplier, and he had to trade with Germany only because other countries refused to sell what the Germans agreed to. At the same time, these other countries pumped Japan against the USSR and China with weapons and technologies for free.
  15. Seal
    Seal April 28 2018 17: 30
    +2
    Quote: Olgovich
    unlike Spain

    Spain has not officially fought with us. The so-called Blue Division was not formally included in the armed forces of Spain. It was like an exclusively voluntary formation, consisting of people who went to the USSR .... to fulfill their international duty. Here is such an "inter-brigade" ....
    In short, it was a hello to us from Franco for our volunteers.
    1. YELLOWSTONE
      YELLOWSTONE April 28 2018 18: 50
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      it happened before...
      But for the German (who also killed the Spaniards), why didn’t he answer Germany?
  16. Alex1117
    Alex1117 April 29 2018 23: 36
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    YELLOWSTONE,
    Firstly, do not impose your Hitler on me.
    Secondly, once again I am convinced of the superiority of Soya education over Western. If you put on one board the transfer of our troops from the western theater of operations in Transbaikalia and the possible transfer of German troops from Bulgaria and Northern Greece to Iraq - you are complete zero. In 1945, we transferred one and a half million people with all their weapons to a distance of more than 15 thousand kilometers. And in 1941, it was enough for the Germans to transfer 15 thousand people to a distance of about 1 thousand kilometers. The composition of 10 reserved seats wagons confidently accommodates 500 people. With light weapons. 30 compositions - here you have 15 thousand people. Another 10 compositions - tanks, prillery, ammunition. 45 compounds. If the trains go with a frequency of 1 train per hour, then it will take less than 45 days to transfer all 2 trains. In April 1941, the Germans had no problems with rolling stock and locomotives - all of Europe was at their service.
    In Iraq, the Germans did not need to capture anything. Since the pro-Nazi rebellion won and the British were expelled from Iraq. The Germans would come to their friendly country. For the organization of the Iraqi army and it's time for the British.
    You would learn more and label less. However ... you are probably a masochist and aam like it when you are a candelabrum ... like a cheater.
    1. YELLOWSTONE
      YELLOWSTONE April 29 2018 23: 55
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      goebbels
      15 thousand and a candelabrum, confusing the length and throughput under bombs, only such can fight with British India in Iraq on the flank of the USSR and British Suez (zeros, sharpies, masochists, etc.) yes
      All does not bleach Standard Oil?
  17. snku
    snku April 19 2021 23: 03
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    This is to the question that some US companies in 1939-41 continued to trade with Germany through neutral Spain. By the way, in the USSR, American pilots who accidentally landed their planes in the Far East after the bombing of the Japanese islands were subject to arrest and internment. This was the price for the unimpeded movement of Lend-Lease convoys across the Pacific Ocean.