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"Hamburg account" from Trump and the State Department

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The US Assistant Secretary of State, and then the American President unexpectedly turned to the events of two months ago.




Recall, first Assistant Secretary of State Wess Mitchell, speaking in the House of Representatives, said that Russian mercenaries tried to attack US forces in Syria.

“The recent unsuccessful attack on US forces of Russian mercenaries has become one of the sobering examples of Russia's confrontation with the West,” said Mitchell.

However, this seemed insufficient and literally in a few hours this (already pretty outdated) "news"At a specially convened press conference voiced by trump.

Either Mitchell “warmed up” the public before the White House’s host, or the American leader thought that the Assistant Secretary of State had not effectively leveled the news, and he decided to fix the “hack” of the official.

Donald Trump in his usual emotional manner spoke about a long-standing incident involving extreme degrees. “We already talked about this some time ago, we had a very, very tough battle in Syria recently, a month ago, between our troops and Russian troops. And it is very sad. A lot of people died in this fight, ”the US President told perplexed journalists.

Recall that, according to the American information, February 7 was attacked not by Americans, but by the headquarters of the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) by pro-government militias eight kilometers east of the agreed conflict prevention line on the Euphrates River in Deir Province ez-zor The US command report indicated that retaliatory strikes had been made. In the American media, it was reported that about 100 fighters of Syrian pro-government forces were killed.

A little later, the official representative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia, Maria Zakharova, acknowledged the death of five Russian citizens in Syria who were in the ranks of Syrian irregulars and who are not servicemen.

Then, American official sources stated that they did not have any information that the Russians had been hit by artillery and the US Air Force.

It must be said that this was a common practice in Syria (and in some other conflicts in which third countries were involved) when foreigners died under the blows of “external” players.

Thus, for example, according to Russian and foreign media, as a result of the “Calibra” strike on the outskirts of Aleppo, an entire reconnaissance and coordination center was destroyed, which was located in a territory controlled by terrorists. Its staff, consisting of three dozen officers and specialists from the United States, Britain, France, Israel, Saudi Arabia and other countries, died.

However, there were no official statements in this and other similar cases from either side, which was completely understandable.

Representatives of the West were not able to advertise their interaction with terrorists, and it was not in their interest to report that their military were suffering losses in the “alien war”. Russia, on the other hand, is not interested in the escalation of tension - it has punished accomplices of the terrorists, and there was no need for it to force the West to take demonstrative “retaliatory steps”. Although, of course, no one leaves the death of its citizens unanswered, even if they were hit by a bomb or a rocket by accident, as it also happened more than once.

There is probably no need to talk about some kind of gentlemanly agreement, but the parties all adhered to the rule of non-disclosure, at least in order not to be under the pressure of public opinion, to preserve the freedom of maneuver and the opportunity to act for reasons of expediency, and not to please the public.

Recall that Zakharova was forced to officially recognize the death of the Russian PMC fighters against the backdrop of a grand information scandal that took place, not without effort, from the blogger Igor Girkin, who used materials from the Ukrainian media.

But the question is: for what is Washington raising, and at the highest level, this topic, completely sucked and rotten, and also in a completely new interpretation?

Everything is very simple. Despite Trump’s assurances that all the missiles launched in Syria have reached their goal, few people believe in it (even in the United States). The missile attack, which cost the treasury nearly 100 million dollars, does not look like retribution or victory.

Since American philistines, convinced by the efforts of the media in the absolute military superiority of the United States, it is difficult to believe in the ability of the CAA to intercept most of the "new, good and smart" missiles, the statement about the "contractual" nature of the "retaliation strike" inevitably arose and was propagated. That is about its imitation coordinated with Moscow.

And since neither Trump nor his team admits that the low impact of the strike is also related to the fact that they were afraid to catch the Russians, the opponents of the incumbent president again accused him of “working for the Kremlin” and unwillingness to strike at “their own”.

And in order to refute the accusations of the “agreement” and show the Western public their “Hamburg bill”, testifying not only about the superiority of the American military over the Russians, but also that Trump beats them “cruelly” without hesitation and was pulled out into the light and fairly embellished already forgotten история about the February 7 incident. Because nothing else, even remotely resembling a "victory over the Russians", was in the assets of the Americans.

And her re-voicing at the highest level, from which Trump could not resist, says that the American leader tried to achieve maximum public attention to this injection.
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  1. Stas157
    Stas157 April 22 2018 06: 13
    +21
    While everyone is settling here, how Russia defeated America in the US strike against Syria with cruise missiles, meanwhile, an attack force with the aircraft carrier Harry Truman entered the Mediterranean Sea. This does not bode well. What is there to intercept the Syrian air defense in the event of the next strike is not known, but until the Americans get their teeth, they will not stop their attacks.
    The seriousness of the situation is also indicated by the fact that Putin convened a meeting on this issue with Shoigu and Gerasimov.
    1. Russia
      Russia April 22 2018 06: 33
      +20
      Let them calm down, positive emotions are also needed, for your loved ones. I yesterday poured a ball at the cottage and have never once remembered this Mediterranean Sea, along with a fucking aviation group. I don’t need to incinerate yourself with world problems, you need to do your job with dignity, take care of relatives and friends, be prepared to defend your homeland hi
      1. 210ox
        210ox April 22 2018 07: 39
        +8
        I'll tell you something about Girkin, El-Murid and the like ... Well, you are super patriots .... Burning with napalm ... But often these feyfeyki and provocations ... Yandex Zen is the same. It gives out such nonsense, and people read. Whose mill are you pouring water on?
        Quote: Rusland
        Let them calm down, positive emotions are also needed, for your loved ones. I yesterday poured a ball at the cottage and have never once remembered this Mediterranean Sea, along with a fucking aviation group. I don’t need to incinerate yourself with world problems, you need to do your job with dignity, take care of relatives and friends, be prepared to defend your homeland hi
        1. Pax tecum
          Pax tecum April 22 2018 11: 10
          +15
          ... held not without effort blogger Igor Girkin

          Here it is. Igor Vsevolodovich is no longer the hero of Donbass, not one of the leaders of the Russian Spring, but just a “blogger”.
          It does not honor the author of the article, and the “blogger” is you.
          You can’t reach the level of Strelkov in life.
          But how does the Kremlin “successfully” obliterate the Russian people who served both Russia and the Russian people in the Donbass.
          And, this Man has repeatedly set his life in the name of the greatness of Russia, the Russian people ...
          And history does not tolerate the subjunctive mood, Strelkov has already entered Russian history.

          Well, and finally. Is the author ready to provide evidence or refute the past event? If even at the highest level, they cannot determine the truth.

          PS By the way, an interesting "pun" turns out:
          death Russian fighters
          (some) PMCs

          but not the fighters of the Russian PMC ... as many here on the site claimed, argued somehow ...
          Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova acknowledged the deaths in Syria of five Russian citizens who were in the ranks of the Syrian irregulars and are not military personnel.
          1. Pax tecum
            Pax tecum April 22 2018 11: 37
            +6
            What is even more surprising in the “official” sounding of losses (especially the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, which receives this information through the “officials” of the Ministry of Defense as well), they never say or show real evidence or investigation materials. And they will not show, and will not tell. For the reason that any losses (and in peacetime (well, losses in Syria are in CTO mode, but in peacetime), and even more so in wartime), any data classified by decree of the President of the Russian Federation, if anyone does not remember.
            And, no one has ever, especially in the official level mode, this will not be voiced, because it is a state secret.
            Only the information received and confirmed, documented through its Foreign Ministry channels.
            But, if you recall, then at first everything was denied.

            Only eyewitnesses and those involved know the truth.
            And, Strelkova in Syria has its own channels of information, from among the fighters from the Donbass. So, if it weren’t for him, then hardly anyone would know what.
            ... Zakharova I had to to officially recognize the death of Russian PMC fighters against the backdrop of a tremendous information scandal that took place not without effort ... Igor Girkin

            So, the author, you have the same subjective generalized material.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack April 22 2018 11: 57
              +3
              Quote: Pax tecum
              any data is classified by decree of the President of the Russian Federation

              Quote: Pax tecum
              Strelkova in Syria has its own information channels

              Did I understand you correctly that Strelkov, therefore, violates the Law on State Secrets?
              I correctly understood that you are violating the Law of Strelkov - approve?
              Thank you yes
              1. Pax tecum
                Pax tecum April 22 2018 13: 16
                +8
                Golovan Jack: ... Shooters, thus, violates the Law on state secrets?
                I correctly understood that you are violating the Law of Strelkov - approve?

                Turning on your head a little and logical thinking (you can also read the Federal Law "On Secrets"), you will understand that:
                Shooters are not in the civil service, they do not currently have access to the information constituting state secrets, and the FSB has long lost relevance in connection with serving in the Defense Ministry. It has nothing to do with any of the branches of government, research institutes, scientific developments or their support.
                I do not understand the essence of your claims.
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack April 22 2018 13: 19
                  +3
                  Quote: Pax tecum
                  Turning on your head a little and logical thinking, you will understand that

                  GYYY laughing laughing
                  That is, in your opinion, that
                  Quote: Pax tecum
                  Shooters not in the civil service, currently does not have a corresponding permit

                  gives him, Strelkov, the right find out and disclose information related to state secrets?!
                  Funny thought fellow
                  PS: continue ... to please, you are inimitable laughing
                  1. Pax tecum
                    Pax tecum April 22 2018 14: 40
                    +10
                    What does espionage have to do with it?
                    fool
                    This "emoticon" from the standard set, i.e. permissible.

                    You can immediately see the layman who has nothing to do with the civil service.
                    Do not dishonor yourself.
          2. Yarr_Arr
            Yarr_Arr April 22 2018 12: 31
            +5
            There are many examples in history when a person who did only one thing, glorifying him, became zero. Or much lower.
            Moreover, according to Slavyansk there are a lot of questions about the personality of Width.
            Do not make yourself an idol!
          3. morved
            morved April 25 2018 11: 03
            +1
            In praising himself beloved, Girkin gave such a trump card to Ukrainian propaganda that he long ago crossed out all that he had done while being in the Donbass. And besides what he did there, too, there are questions, they correctly said - do not make yourself an idol ...
      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky April 22 2018 10: 07
        +7
        Quote: Stas157
        While everyone is settling here, how Russia defeated America in the US strike against Syria with cruise missiles, meanwhile, an attack force with the aircraft carrier Harry Truman entered the Mediterranean Sea.

        Quote: Rusland
        Let them calm down, positive emotions are also needed, for your loved ones. ...... I mean, you don’t need to incinerate yourself with world problems, you need to do your work with dignity, take care of relatives and friends, be ready to defend your homeland
        Along the way, the Americans themselves are the most “fooled”, and ours are doing their work methodically and thoughtfully. Their missile "kookies" have in fact a zero result, and our "unrequited" strategy led to the almost complete destruction of ISIS and the return to Damascus control of 85% of Syria ....
    2. dSK
      dSK April 22 2018 08: 15
      +1
      Quote: Stas157
      until the Americans get their teeth, they will not stop their attacks.
      "Foreign journalists have long tried to unravel the mystery of the smokescreen in the Syrian port in Tartus during the unloading of a naval vessel. And they decided that they masked the supply of Syrian Russian air defense S-300 to Syria. With reference to Syrian sources it was said that the vessels, they say, were loaded in Novorossiysk. But that this cargo was not known. Given the increased secrecy, journalists concluded that Russian air defense systems were hiding behind a smoke screen C-300, the supply of which we have been talking about for a week now - just after the missile strike of the United States, Britain and France on civilian and military targets in Syria. There is no exact information about the mysterious cargo, reports today Elint News.
      1. Pax tecum
        Pax tecum April 22 2018 12: 00
        +9
        And why bother with “secreting” and hiding unloading, if even at the official level of the Ministry of Defense (here on the website there was an article about this recently) it was called "omission"the lack of modern air defense systems in the Syrian army?
        And, on the contrary, it would be better to "organize" a leak into the Syrian media of images of elements of air defense systems during unloading. Those wishing to launch rockets and Jewish planes would be reduced to zero.

        It turns out that they now call their "contractual omission" their contractual obligations to the United States. What used to hinder the supply of air defense systems, if they decided to intercede for Syria? Blind faith in state honesty? Since the days of Gorbachev (NATO’s eastward expansion), haven't you tired of stepping on this rake already?
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack April 22 2018 12: 08
          +4
          Quote: Pax tecum
          And why bother to “secret”

          Quote: Pax tecum
          Ah, it would be better on the contrary

          What are you all the same ... sweet and simple good
          I can’t even imagine to what extent brain oppression enlightenment must be reached in order to advise the MO (and not only) on the blue eye, what and how to do it ...
          1. Pax tecum
            Pax tecum April 22 2018 13: 26
            +9
            Well, about the "advise" is you yourself came up with.
            Every comment here wears only subjective nature.
            PS There is a strong belief that you are here on the site "regular" irritant and sneak.
            You, well, a very interesting interlocutor / opponent, there is no constructive. Sometimes you don’t shine with your mind. In the future, I prefer not to answer why throwing beads.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack April 22 2018 13: 36
              +3
              Quote: Pax tecum
              that you are here on the site "regular" irritant

              Not ... I'm a freelance.
              Quote: Pax tecum
              Every comment here is purely subjective ...

              ... truly. And, thus, characterizes, um, the commentator as well as possible. You, for example.
              Quote: Pax tecum
              about "advise" is you yourself came up with

              I just “made absurd” your own statement. This is a simple logical trick, no crime, I assure you yes
            2. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack April 22 2018 13: 54
              +3
              Quote: Pax tecum
              "regular" irritant and sneak

              About how ... the boy decided to supplement his thought, after the fact, so to speak ...
              The sun, for the "sneak" - this is not for me .. this, for example, Gardamir-y
              But now I’ll look after you for sure, I promise yes
            3. Oleg Kalugin
              Oleg Kalugin April 24 2018 12: 04
              +1
              I agree with many of you, except that:
              1. Girkin value. And the fact that he announced the data on the dead guys is not a plus for him. His motivation was not to help ours, but to shit the Kremlin, and he clearly stated this in his opus.
              2. About Slavyansk. yes, his act in capturing Slavyansk is what is called an act. But there are a few but:
              - He was chosen, and not he decided on it. And we know how then, many of Russia went on their own without roofs, financial protection .. Do you understand the difference?
              - If he were a Giant of thought and a creative person in military affairs, he would not have sat in Slavyansk, but would have developed success in certain directions. As many advised him. But he sat and PR, enjoying the glory and thereby missed the opportunity to hide behind the word - an order!
              And YES, not one shooter raised the topic of the guys who died in PMCs!
              It’s just that many people hear it.
    3. SPACE
      SPACE April 22 2018 08: 21
      +7
      Quote: Stas157
      Meanwhile, a strike force with aircraft carrier Harry Truman entered the Mediterranean Sea.

      What a formidable force laughing 50 is a self-propelled gun, but have you already brought in a new batch of tamahawks? lol As they entered and they would be blown out, maybe, if you're lucky, Assad is still that crazy psychologist wassat
      Quote: Stas157
      This does not bode well.

      I even know for whom repeat
      Quote: Stas157
      but until the Americans get their teeth, they will not stop their attacks.

      Adyn Chelyabinsk people, proved that Russia does not have a fleet, how do you respond?
      Quote: Stas157
      The seriousness of the situation is also indicated by the fact that Putin convened a meeting on this issue with Shoigu and Gerasimov.

      Leave serious situations for Assad, Shoigu and Putin, it’s better to get out of the Internet and look around, spring is in the yard.
    4. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov April 22 2018 08: 45
      +4
      Quote: Stas157
      While everyone is settling here, how Russia defeated America in the US strike against Syria with cruise missiles, meanwhile, an attack force with the aircraft carrier Harry Truman entered the Mediterranean Sea.

      Well, to the DPRK, the United States also drove its horde, so what ..? Russia in Syria is also not sitting idle .. So it's still not evening, gentlemen!
      1. dSK
        dSK April 22 2018 11: 45
        +2
        Quote: MIKHAN
        it's not evening yet, gentlemen!

        Russia is reviving the production of military railway missile systems in order to again terrify the US military. It is reported today Chinese news portal Sina. Russian missile trains or BZHRK were one of the trump cards of the USSR during the Cold War. Due to their similarity to conventional trains, and also due to the very extensive network of Russian railways, the BZHRKs were practically invulnerable and at the same time possessed tremendous striking power. For the US, Russian missile trains were one of the main sources of “headache”however, after the collapse of the USSR, all of them were written off. Now Russia is about to restart the production of BZHRK. And thanks to the latest technology, they will reach a new technical level.
        1. Vitaly Anisimov
          Vitaly Anisimov April 22 2018 11: 57
          +1
          Quote: dsk
          For the United States, Russian missile trains were one of the main sources of the “headache,” however, after the collapse of the USSR, they were all written off. Now Russia is about to launch again

          Our trains, this is fear for the West ... Especially when you consider our vast territories!
          And just a hint WEST! he he

          Songs of childhood with a hint .. hi
    5. turbris
      turbris April 22 2018 11: 12
      +3
      But you’re so preoccupied and don’t take it easy, of course, bloggers are fond of comments, but is it worth criticizing them? But no one denies the seriousness of the situation, a failed US strike must be immediately compensated for by a successful one and this can lead to very serious consequences. The Russian leadership understands this, but what do you propose to us, hiding under the rug?
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov April 22 2018 12: 30
        0
        Quote: turbris
        The Russian leadership understands this, but what do you propose to us, hiding under the rug?

        And with us Russians, everything is as usual ... On the attack! And spit on everyone and all the rules of the West

        That's how we live in our history .... fellow
      2. NIKNN
        NIKNN April 22 2018 18: 04
        0
        Quote: turbris
        And no one denies the seriousness of the situation, the failed US strike must be urgently compensated by the successful

        Which side to look at ... Once I stepped on a rake and tried to jump on them in the hope of luck ...
        With closed eyes and a smile from ear to ear, I go to my own happiness through a rake field.
        Quote: turbris
        Well, what do you suggest to us, hiding under the rug?

        smile I'm looking at the sky ... what I hope that a previously unseen meteorite flies directly to the meeting place with the aircraft carrier Harry Truman. If they do not give themselves out by light-noise effects, it may not attract trouble then. Hope dies last. yes
    6. Yrec
      Yrec April 24 2018 11: 17
      0
      We will see. We need to be calm about everything - the war is going on. In war, the overwhelming of emotions leads to the "death of great casualties."
  2. cedar
    cedar April 22 2018 06: 16
    +5
    "... Donald Trump in his usual emotional manner spoke of a long-standing incident using extreme degrees." We already talked about this a while ago, we had a very, very tough fight in Syria recently, a month ago, between our troops and Russian troops. And it’s very sad. A lot of people died in this battle, "the US president told perplexed journalists ..."

    What kind of hangover did Trump in Syria have Russian and American troops come to in a fierce battle?
    The sheer number of disputed losses suggests that it was a battle of local importance and no more ...
    Another deceitful Apollo was deigned to launch into the media space the gentlemen of the arrogant Saxons.
  3. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 22 2018 06: 46
    +5
    “We already talked about this some time ago, we had a very, very fierce battle in Syria recently, a month ago, between our troops and Russian troops. And this is very sad. A lot of people died in this battle, ”the US president told perplexed reporters.

    The trader trader comes first with advertising and self-promotion. In this pleasure he has nowhere to himself, and never refuses.
  4. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat April 22 2018 06: 54
    +9
    How many actually died there is still not clear. Zakharova voiced the figures of the dead "citizens" of Russia. And the "non-citizens" of Slovenian nationality and not only? In PMCs, which are called "Wagnerian" for earnings, not only citizens of Russia, but many of the LPR, DPR, Transnistria. Abkhazia, South Ossetia-how many of them died? And they say it was the majority. In addition, they say in the "soldier of fortune" that Russian mercenaries act under other names and surnames, and the PMC leadership does not tell where they died specifically, they didn’t immediately report their deaths immediately, and when they needed to be informed. . How does Zakharova know about the 5 dead? This is what she was informed of, most likely, by those who knew well and where they were, and it was not possible to hide their death. So, no one will say how many died there, but many have died.
  5. cradle
    cradle April 22 2018 07: 27
    +10
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    How many actually died there is still not clear. Zakharova voiced the figures of the dead "citizens" of Russia. And the "non-citizens" of Slovenian nationality and not only? In PMCs, which are called "Wagnerian" for earnings, not only citizens of Russia, but many of the LPR, DPR, Transnistria. Abkhazia, South Ossetia-how many of them died? And they say it was the majority. In addition, they say in the "soldier of fortune" that Russian mercenaries act under other names and surnames, and the PMC leadership does not tell where they died specifically, they didn’t immediately report their deaths immediately, and when they needed to be informed. . How does Zakharova know about the 5 dead? This is what she was informed of, most likely, by those who knew well and where they were, and it was not possible to hide their death. So, no one will say how many died there, but many have died.

    It is necessary to add IMHO in such cases, otherwise you might think that you yourself know what thread ... be more modest.
  6. Masya masya
    Masya masya April 22 2018 07: 35
    +1
    literally a few hours later this (already pretty outdated) “news” at a specially convened press conference was voiced by Trump.

    broadcasting to a phonogram ...
  7. samarin1969
    samarin1969 April 22 2018 07: 56
    +13
    "Recall that Zakharova was also forced (!!) to officially recognize the death of Russian PMC fighters against the backdrop of a tremendous information scandal that took place not without the efforts of the blogger (!?) Igor Girkin, ...
    But the question is: for what is Washington raising, and at the highest level, this topic completely sucked and foul (!?), And even in a completely new interpretation? "
    I.V. Girkin was not always a “blogger,” the dead on the 7th are Russians and their allies, and if m-zakharova will only give out information that the bloggers will first “merge”, then this indicates the irresponsible work of an employee of the Russian Foreign Ministry. What value and objectivity will other facts have then?
    The author was very incorrect in his estimates.
    It makes no sense to consider the “sighting” in Syria beyond the capabilities of the NATO army.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack April 22 2018 08: 02
      +4
      Quote: samarin1969
      I.V. Girkin was not always a "blogger"

      Almost always. Let me remind you - he began his career in this regard with a daily prayer on the subject of Putinine’s introduction from the basement.
      And now he is only a blocher, and no one else.
      Which was said.
      Quote: samarin1969
      ... this indicates the irresponsible work of an employee of the Russian Foreign Ministry. What value and objectivity will other facts have then?

      You seem to be no longer a young man. Please recall the presentation style of these very facts under the Union. Let me remind you - for example, at that time there was no war in Afghanistan.
      And this was done not at all because we (and you) were held for cattle, but because no one canceled the info-war even then.
      1. samarin1969
        samarin1969 April 22 2018 08: 06
        +3
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Quote: samarin1969
        I.V. Girkin was not always a "blogger"

        Almost always. ....

        Since 1990? of the year?...
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack April 22 2018 08: 08
          +2
          Quote: samarin1969
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Quote: samarin1969
          I.V. Girkin was not always a "blogger"

          Almost always. ....

          Since 1990? of the year?...

          Further read the lack of time, apparently.
          No, from the moment of birth. Or even conception.
          Do you want to pray at him - come on, who's stopping you? We have a democracy, pray ... yes even a flush tank request
    2. SPACE
      SPACE April 22 2018 08: 48
      +4
      Quote: samarin1969
      It makes no sense to consider the “sighting” in Syria beyond the capabilities of the NATO army.

      It makes no sense to consider the “sighting” of the Shell in Syria beyond Assad’s capabilities.
  8. UltraRed
    UltraRed April 22 2018 08: 43
    +3
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    How many actually died there is still not clear. Zakharova voiced the figures of the dead "citizens" of Russia. And the "non-citizens" of Slovenian nationality and not only? In PMCs, which are called "Wagnerian" for earnings, not only citizens of Russia, but many of the LPR, DPR, Transnistria. Abkhazia, South Ossetia-how many of them died? And they say it was the majority. In addition, they say in the "soldier of fortune" that Russian mercenaries act under other names and surnames, and the PMC leadership does not tell where they died specifically, they didn’t immediately report their deaths immediately, and when they needed to be informed. . How does Zakharova know about the 5 dead? This is what she was informed of, most likely, by those who knew well and where they were, and it was not possible to hide their death. So, no one will say how many died there, but many have died.

    There was no “Wagner” from the word “completely”. There were people who had previously transferred from the Wagner to another PMC (Syrian) as military experts. The command of the RF Armed Forces, as well as the leadership of the Wagner, did not know about this operation, as about the clash that served as a prologue to the tragedy. Kurds voluntarily or involuntarily ended up in the role of provocateurs (either we give away the factory, or we do not give it away). By the way, the Americans are “silent as partisans” about their losses during the first clash at the factory. And they, although insignificant, but they had. And there were 200s. And besides, not PMCs, but “regular” ones, and not the fact that only “blacks” (this is not about blacks) ......
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat April 22 2018 09: 22
      +3
      Yeah, "Crossed." .. and the equipment "dragged" .... http: //vestnik-rm.ru/news-4-237
      98.htm winked
      1. Vlad Petrov
        Vlad Petrov April 22 2018 13: 25
        0
        Afghanistan: the longest war in American history. 17 years - since 2001 For 15,5 years, the official losses of the US Department of Defense amounted to 6 thousand 916 killed and 52 thousand 519 wounded. The invasion of Iraq took the lives of 4424 people injured 31. Operation New Dawn in 953 2010 killed and 73 wounded. In Afghanistan, Americans lost 295 people killed and 2350 wounded .. Merikiks never stop fighting, like it.
    2. samarin1969
      samarin1969 April 22 2018 09: 44
      +4
      Quote: UltraRed
      The command of the RF Armed Forces, like the leadership of the Wagner, did not know about this operation,

      Columns of equipment and infantry are wobbling in the zone of controlled SAR and the Russian Federation, and agents, reconnaissance, etc., are not in the know. It remains to "believe" that all these people have no relation to Russia, bypassing the Defense Ministry arrived in Syria and are not any of the parties to the conflict. ...
      Widows and mothers are now forced to listen to the nonsense of officials about the "alien" war.
      MO was obliged to stop these events or to cover their own.
      1. aloleggry
        aloleggry April 24 2018 12: 18
        0
        Already closed his eyes with pleasure imagining. For example, accompany the column. And ahead, in black cars with flashing lights, the MoD covers me. Yes, there are all the generals in bronics from medals. Ten field kitchens, instead of dry ... In the buzz.
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 22 2018 09: 58
    +2
    we had a very, very fierce battle in Syria recently, a month ago, between our troops and Russian troops.
    After which Trump wearily wiped the sweat from his forehead, wiped the “bloodied” saber and left to reflect on where 71 “Tomahawk” had gone. There are a lot of similarities between Trump Boris Johnson in both hairstyle and behavior.
    1. beeper
      beeper April 22 2018 10: 25
      +2
      For a long time I think about this, not only external, their similarity yes , respected Rotmister60!
      Well, sometimes, like twin brothers ... from the "chamber" with the "Napoleons"?
      hi
  10. Gennadich
    Gennadich April 23 2018 00: 45
    +1
    not here only such a picture is suitable
  11. Catfish
    Catfish April 23 2018 02: 05
    +4
    Quote: Golovan Jack

    Do you want to pray at him - come on, who's stopping you? We have a democracy, pray ... yes even a flush tank request


    Hamite, kid. And why so much anger. An ulcer tortured? hi
    1. YELLOWSTONE
      YELLOWSTONE April 23 2018 02: 57
      +3
      hangover syndrome laughing
    2. Gennadich
      Gennadich April 23 2018 09: 04
      +2
      I noticed no bans on his rudeness, he can see the man from Lakhta ... I first watched from the side then decided to register, so I already have 2 warnings for no reason
  12. kan123
    kan123 April 23 2018 12: 35
    0
    The USA arrived on a foreign continent, occupied another's property. They are criminals - Trump = criminal. It is necessary to sober him up. Bandit capture, genocide, fascism and terror. The US must be judged as Hitler was tried with the Nazis. That is, war in the United States, as it were, becomes inevitable, thanks to these figures. We do not live in the 16th century, when England was sitting behind a river, and no one could get it, they did what they wanted.
  13. Catfish
    Catfish April 23 2018 16: 36
    +3
    Quote: Gennadich
    I noticed no bans on his rudeness, he can see the man from Lakhta ... I first watched from the side then decided to register, so I already have 2 warnings for no reason


    Good afternoon, Gene!

    Maybe you’re right about the “shaggy paw” of this indoor eagle, but most likely the matter is different. In his rudeness, he made himself a fairly high rating and fell into the “stream”. And since he himself does not really know anything, he has only one thing left: to provoke and insult people. Although I am also surprised by the impunity of such a frank Haml. Inevitably, the question arises that something is unclean here and whether the “client” does not work as a regular provocateur of this site. hi