Rossvyaz sounded the share of foreign electronics in communication satellites

The share of foreign electronics in Russian civil communications satellites reaches 70%, which causes concern to Rossvyaz, said Deputy Head of the Ministry Igor Chursin, speaking at the conference Satellite Russia.

Now, unfortunately, the situation is such that, as a rule, Russian companies that produce satellites, on 70%, depend on the electronic component base of foreign production

- quotes his words RIA "News».

Chursin said that the replacement of foreign components is a complex and time-consuming process.

Every year up to 10% we produce import substitution for Russian-made components

- He said, adding that high dependence develops into certain difficulties.

According to him, dependence on foreign components causes difficulties in the production of new Russian satellites Express-80 and Express-103, intended for providing fixed and mobile communications services, digital broadcasting, high-speed Internet access and data transmission in Russia. They are planned to be launched next year on one Proton rocket.

Comments

[Heterocapsa]

I personally overworked now

[Chertt]

Quote: Heterocapsa

I personally overworked now

So too much or zrada?

[Heterocapsa]

she is the same. The same tin 70 percent is it necessary to scream the guard.

[Muvka]

It is only in civilian life. In the military commissar, everything is completely wrong.

[NIKNN]

Quote: Muvka

It is only in civilian life. In the military commissar, everything is completely wrong.

Up to 70%. In Rossvyaz announced the share of foreign electronics in communications satellites

Undoubtedly, in American satellites, this electronics is also Chinese.

[Kleber]

"USA, Russia .... everything is done in Taiwan" x / f Armageddon, Russian astronaft

[ventel]

You say so confidently, even if I doubted in your place.

[Kleber]

Are you more familiar with lizoblyudsvo ???? If I say, I know what I'm saying.

[ventel]

Sorry, but if an official says that 70% of the electronics on commercial satellites are foreign, then why not 100% domestic. If you are a specialist, explain to me that for the defense industry, domestic electronics is 100% and the commercial one only 30% gives a paradox.

[proletarian]

Just don’t say that the electronics are Ukrainian; tse will be Hochma !!!

[rkkasa xnumx]

Quote: Muvka

It is only in civilian life. Everything is not so in the military commissar

Can military electronics be used in civilian satellites? If so, why not use, but buy abroad? Again, they think only of short-term economic benefits, or is it a promotion-kickback?

[proletarian]

You are absolutely right, it’s not only possible to use, but it is necessary to use it, though there is one problem: everything that is not connected with the state defense order is “shoved” two or even three times more than the market value. Question, with such markups by domestic manufacturers, where will they purchase components?

[Ivan Tucha]

Rollback promotions play an important role. Recall the change of Ilov to Boeing ..

[ivan19]

Yeah, this is because we have top-secret invisible factories producing exclusively military element base: D Are you not at all funny? :)))
Long live victorious capitalism: in the USSR, everything was not very good with the element base, in the Russian Federation everything was bad with it. There are neither production technologies nor technologies for the production of equipment and tooling. Currently, the global factory for the production of element base is China. And yes, the Citadel of Good, Light and Democracy depends on it no less (probably even more) than we do. Although to me personally - along the fence, how much they depend on it there.
Well, and a cherry on the cake: we have training for such productions in the same place, i.e. in a deep ass. Which is not at all surprising, given the neodyashchie fashion for "teaching" fundamental physics, chemistry, mathematics with an eye to not exam.

[Alf]

Quote: Muvka

In the military commissar, everything is completely wrong.

But as ?

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Heterocapsa

it is necessary to scream the guard.

you don’t have to scream, but the bureaucrats from the government-plant and plant like seedlings in the garden .... and even disperse 85% of deputies and send them to hard workers !! We need a sharp reform of those in power !!

[vadsonen]

We need a sharp reform of those in power !!

But you yourself voted for a stable regression.

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: vadsonen

But you yourself voted for a stable regression

who told you this? ... do not flood, on the topic have something to say?

[vadsonen]

Do not flood, on the topic have something to say?

What topic ?? That Russia does not have its own element base, and that no satellite without imported components would not be launched? This is well known, so no topic is addressed in the article.
And you yourself, mentioning the bureaucrats, on what topic did you speak?

[Friday]

Quote: Heterocapsa

she is the same. The same tin 70 percent is it necessary to scream the guard.

Not, but what you wanted, a third world country does not produce electronics.
A third world country sells bananas, oil and gas, and other resources.

[Vadim237]

And what - all this electronics is made in Taiwan.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Replacement is coming, I'm sure .. Not so fast! Remember the 90s, our liberals shouted, why create yourself when it's easier to buy! Now the consequences of this hurt us all.
In the days of the USSR, everyone made themselves “from needles to orbital stations!” The destruction of the 90s will go around for a long time. Thank God we understood this and still hold on!

[vkl.47]

So, under the guise of an enemy, an uprising of cars can be organized by pressing the treasured button. 70% of Chinese

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: MIKHAN

The destruction of the 90s will be heard to us for a long time .. Thank God we understood this and still hold on!

To make it clearer, as it was in the nineties:

Ivan did not have enough ruble. At that time it was a good amount. He decided to borrow them from Rabinovich, and to pledge to give his best ax. He came, told the situation, and he says:
“I will lend you a ruble, but you will give me two in the summer.”
Ivan agreed and gave his pledge.
“You see,” Rabinovich went on, “wait another three months until the summer, and then it will probably be difficult for you to give back two rubles at once.” Let me give you the ruble now, and the ruble in the summer!
So they did.
Ivan goes home and thinks: “There is no ax, there is no ruble either, one more ruble should remain ... and the main thing is that everything is right !!!”

[RASKAT]

Without panic, since 2015 of the year import substitution is in full swing, and there are already quite substantial developments both in the scientific part and in production. You understand the production of electronics as the industry in the nineties and two thousandths collapsed even worse than machine tools, so almost everything has to be done from scratch. There are no specialists or workers or equipment, many directions are raised from zero. But there is a bright side to the coin.
The other day, the holding Roselektronika, part of Rostec, published a report on the work done, and also showed a wide range of domestic passive and active electronic components at the ExpoElectronica-2018 exhibition.
More details here: https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/106194/
So, not everything is as bad as it seems at first glance, not as fast as we would like, but the industry is reviving. Of course, ordinary people will not feel significant changes soon, industry, Army, Space in the first place, I think by the turn of the 2025 of the year. First of all, this is due to the new GPN 2018 -2025, it provides significant funds for the modernization of enterprises and research institutes that are engaged in the development and production of electronics.

[rocket757]

Causes concern! - at cool said \ written!
But all right, the iPads have already handed all the Pokémon from the top, so what do they need our electronic industry for?
And yet, do not read our newspapers, do not listen to our bureaucrats even before breakfast, even after!
They brag / report / yes, at least they show ... it’s about nothing, not the fact that it’s all to appear, sales will not come soon!

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: rocket757

And yet, do not read our newspapers, do not listen to our bureaucrats even before breakfast, even after!

Right now in Russia we are doing this ... It is not for nothing that you are so angry with EVERYTHING in the USA and Israel! he he

[rocket757]

Yes, yes, yes, just like that, everyone listens / looks ...... the weather, KVN and some sort of house.
Yes, another health program and all sorts of usefulness about products!
Do not pretend to be more and ..... than you are!
PEOPLE WANT ENTERTAINMENT or USEFUL INFORMATION !!! So who will they listen to, no matter what the people's lawyer or any bureaucrat is, from which you will not expect a word of truth?
The answer is obvious!

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: rocket757

PEOPLE WANT ENTERTAINMENT or USEFUL INFORMATION !!! So who will they listen to, no matter what the people's lawyer or any bureaucrat is, from which you will not expect a word of truth?
The answer is obvious!

Oh, wei, soon on all channels of Russia hehe

And we will silently work ....

[rocket757]

Yazh warned, no need to replay, or else they will really think that ....

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Could not resist ..

[rocket757]

It happens
We are both for our MOTHERLAND. There are disagreements, but not so great, if you look!

[210ox]

Electronic components are a separate sexual drama .. This industry was one of the first to be covered with a copper basin in a collapsed USSR

[Heterocapsa]

Yes, we have no place for sex drama in all sectors.

[Borik]

We will believe in a brighter future and in about twenty years from now there will be already ninety percent of their electronics.

[Kleber]

Quote: 210ox

Electronic components are a separate sexual drama .. This industry was one of the first to be covered with a copper basin in a collapsed USSR

But the very first machine tool industry was killed. No machines - no products.

[AL176STM30]

It’s how the last machines from factories were turned over to metal (and there aren’t any new ones, they don’t do those with us anymore, and import is unbearable for the money), and now the city has become "raw material"and was not so long ago and producing various products known throughout the Union for the whole time ...

[Kleber]

Quote: AL176STM30

It’s the very last machines from factories that have been handed over to metal, and now the city israw material"and was not so long ago and producing various products known throughout the Union for the whole time ...

I did not mean machine tools from factories. I'm talking about machine tool factories.

[Vadim237]

In the USSR, electronics has always been 10 years behind the West.

[Alf]

Quote: Vadim237

In the USSR, electronics has always been 10 years behind the West.

Yes, it was, yes, in the laggards.
Now how? No way, from the word in general.
It is better to have lagging electronics, but your own, than modern, but alien.

[Vadim237]

And now we have not one plant, but as many as 12, but our competitors are not giving them the full load on our market - the same Taiwan, which has cheap.

[Alf]

Quote: Vadim237

And now we have not one plant, but as many as 12, but our competitors are not giving them the full load on our market - the same Taiwan, which has cheap.

But the government of the Russian Federation can not provide these 12 plants of preference? Or is there any interest in the Taiwan plant?
And by the way, you mentioned that our plants are located in Taiwan, so why is their Taiwan cheaper?

[Korax71]

Even in the best years of the USSR, the share of domestic machine tools from the entire fleet did not exceed 60-65%. And if you look, in the last 10 years of the existence of the USSR, the share of imported machines was already almost 80%. The highest percentage was under Stalin.

[rocket757]

Under Stalin, the machine-tool industry began to revive, and it remained a legacy to the descendants, much more!
Modern horseback, sales after the collapse of the 90s a lot of things got and what ??? What have they restored over the years? a lot of what they want / will be able to restore over the next six years?
We ask ourselves - does anyone believe that? .... if he believes, then how much?
Hope dies last ....

[Korax71]

Well, it began to revive a little earlier, but the dawn itself during the reign of the IVS came. Of course, the development methods weren’t the most legitimate ones. They usually bought a small lot, they were disassembled to the screw in the USSR and copied. Often it didn’t work out well it was development. they sent specialists to study with the bourgeoisie. if in fact it’s very nice to borrow knowledge and technology from them. Now they often first ruin some kind of production in the bud, then they make a big mess of it and broadcast about victory and getting up off their knees. it’s only clear why, in order to modernize and restore the existing one, first it’s necessary

[rocket757]

In Imperial Russia, of course, the industrialization process was underway, who argues, but the hard times of the civil war and the fundamental change in the social system have thrown the country back! The Bolsheviks had to rebuild a lot and they coped with it ... we do not discuss methods, a separate topic.
Now there is a hurt, the starting conditions are much better, only moving, as the upper ones say, forward is so much like stomping on the spot, if not worse !!! For this, including and I don’t like our modern power. Hucksters, thieves, etc., basically, so why love them?
For power hurt!

[Alf]

Quote: rocket757

The Bolsheviks had to rebuild a lot

If to restore, and even build from scratch. For example, the production of bearings.

[Alf]

Quote: rocket757

We ask ourselves - does anyone believe that? .

77%.

[rocket757]

I can’t argue, because to disassemble into constituents, the indicated percentage can be very approximately. A lot of polls and all vary in performance.
My opinion is that in society there is a desire for Schaub. Everything remained stable, as it is!
I do not believe it, in this situation, stability is for a long time .... stomping on the spot in our situation is suicide. In the end, it will happen!
We need changes, development, accelerated progress!
The question is with whom and who will lead ???

[taiga2018]

less had to believe in a fairy tale about Europe from Lisbon to Vladivostok ...

[freddyk]

Quote: taiga2018

less had to believe in a fairy tale about Europe from Lisbon to Vladivostok

But in the late 80s they believed liberals. But our historian said do not believe it, capitalism is a wolf in sheep's clothing. And we told him - the old senile)))) Youth, no where to go. Wait, we ourselves are senile, and we understand this.

[taiga2018]

Quote: freddyk

Wait, we ourselves are senile, and we understand this.

with that young vigor, we would have the current "insanity", but unfortunately everything comes separately ...

[Anti-Corr.]

Quote: freddyk

But in the late 80s they believed liberals.

Firstly, not everyone believed, and secondly, no one warned those who believed that they would "build" a capitalist gas station from a prosperous state. Particularly "advanced" citizens still do not believe in this, gobble up for any reason, love the chief liberal and say, "you have to tolerate, not everything is so fast," forgetting, however, that you can die in patient and patience, and without waiting for this brightest future of import substitution and the Russian capitalist paradise ..

[Shadow shooter]

Well what can I say, these are the fruits of globalization and drunken dances of EBN

[Kleber]

Perestroika under Gorbachev began .... in principle, you need to count from there.

[Shadow shooter]

I agree with you

[keeper03]

Hunchbacked from 1985 to 1990 brought the country (USSR) to the pen !!! Vrazhina pro-Western !!!

[Eduard petrov]

We will do our thing, of course, but it will turn out like with an eptaphone and an electronic textbook from Chubais - it's expensive, clumsy and nobody needs it.

[rpuropuu]

Quote: taiga2018

less had to believe in a fairy tale about Europe from Lisbon to Vladivostok ...

What does the GDP have to do with it? Electronics was destroyed back in 80-90 ... Then the Soviet Union was a direct competitor to Japan and the USA in the field of electronics If I am not mistaken, 3rd place in the world Well, then I wanted "democracy" ...

[Korax71]

It’s completely for you. Of course, in the USSR, for every foreign radio component, from six months to 2 years, an analogue appeared. It was only not connected with the development, but with banal copying. And it was completely not in democracy. Such was the politics. Although at this time I would be glad if our industry at least copied. And further, slowly, and our own developments appeared, not immediately of course.

[rotmistr60]

To what since the end of the 80s, under the leadership of Gorbachev, they have been “proudly walking”, and in the 90s they even fled, and came to that. It's a shame, annoying, but I want to believe in the best. Perhaps carry ...

[taiga2018]

Quote: rotmistr60

Perhaps carry ...

this is the motto of our current government ...

[Kleber]

Quote: rotmistr60

To what since the end of the 80s, under the leadership of Gorbachev, they have been “proudly walking”, and in the 90s they even fled, and came to that. It's a shame, annoying, but I want to believe in the best. Perhaps carry ...

It will carry. This is not the first time Russia is carrying. As there in the song: "God is with us and the St. Andrew flag."

[UMA-UMA]

At the beginning of 2000, the Tsar and the Russian boyars received 15 trillion. Doll. Sovereign money, thanks to oil prices. Where did they go? Such golden rain has never poured into the country. Never. So where did the money go? For such dents, you could create a dozen high-tech industries. And we do not have our own electronics. But there is an odympiad and world championship 18 for 115 mlr. Doll. And there is no need to bleat about drunken ebras and Chubais hairstyles. All these golden opportunities have been missed by your sun-faced.

[Gradus HuK]

To the point! They betrayed and destroyed the USSR. The same prerequisites now.

[Korax71]

Only, sadly, the sun-faced OUR. Wants it or not.

[Denis Obukhov]

but didn’t think about mass introduction into Russian industry? otherwise electronics for space and the military will remain with a price tag like flying into space

[Chichikov]

And where is the domestic "silicone valley" represented by RosChuboNano? At the threshold of 2018, and the presentations began back in 2010 ....

Anatoly Chubais, Chairman of the Board of Rosnanotech, and Vladimir Yevtushenkov, Chairman of the Board of Directors of Sistema JSFC, have asked Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin to provide state support to Russian microchip manufacturers, including banning the import of chips for the manufacture of new generation passports

RUSNANO OJSC and SITRONICS OJSC launch the most advanced microelectronic production in Russia and the CIS

The integrated circuit factory was created as part of a joint project between RUSNANO and Mikron, the largest producer of microelectronics in Eastern Europe.

[Mikhail m]

said Deputy Head of the Department Igor Chursin, speaking at the Satellite Russia conference.

And why be surprised if even the name of the conference is not imported. Have they forgotten how to read Russian? Or was a conference in London held?

[thinker]

And don't say disgrace! Well, at least - Sputnik Russia. Or maybe without deflection -

From April 24 to 27, 2018, the 2th anniversary international exhibition of information and communication technologies will be held in pavilions No. 8 and 30 of the Expocentre Fairgrounds Svyaz-2018.

[_Ugene_]

Up to 70 percent

optimistic assessment, but actually how much? Or is there 30% of our wires?

[Bronevick]

If there will be Russian electronics, then one satellite and Proton will not pick it up. It will be necessary to make a team of 5 Protons.

[BAI]

70% depend on the electronic component base of foreign production

Of course, how many times have I said here that they ruined domestic electronics, and now they have officially seen. At what 30% of domestic ones are resistors, capacitors. Can anyone vskidkit call a domestic microprocessor or RAM?

[Vadim237]

"Baikal", "Multiclet", Elbrus 8C, 16C, 32C - 1 and 3 are produced in Taiwan, it is not known at the expense of the Multiclet.

[gukoyan]

It’s sad of course ... The 90s of course rolled our country far back in this area, in the USSR there wasn’t such garbage, even during the Iron Curtain, they lived on their own and only traveled a lot over the hill ...

[Vadim237]

The electronic factory in Latvia is probably everything where microchips were made in the USSR.

[prior]

Forget about the Russian component base. What else retirees who survived the perestroika are collecting is collected from imported raw materials, using imported equipment. Known electronically Zelenograd almost all the staff daily leaves for Moscow to stand at the counter. There is no tendency to change for the better from the word at all. Now GAZPROM is our everything.

[andrej-shironov]

Chursin said that the replacement of foreign components is a complex and time-consuming process.

It goes without saying long and difficult! When the compradors were in power and began to practice only when the already roasted rooster in one place did not just peck, but torn this place on the flags!

[Normal ok]

The share of foreign electronics in Russian civilian communications satellites reaches 70%, which causes concern for Rossvyaz,

Import substitution paces the country.

[Eflintuk]

We will not even talk about “catching up” ... Just to copy the stolen part, you need to steal the machine on which it was made. Stalin exported factories from Germany. If the Papuans machine gun falls from the sky, he will not greatly change their combat power, because cannot reproduce. If we try to make the Russian washing machine right now with modern functionality, there will be nowhere to shove the laundry .... Here, the main visitors at all in the modern Russian production have not been chtoli? Office plankton ? Or holy faith in "secret underground plants"? Are you collecting amateur satellites?

[Vlad5307]

Quote: MIKHAN

Replacement is coming, I'm sure .. Not so fast! Remember the 90s, our liberals shouted, why create yourself when it's easier to buy! Now the consequences of this hurt us all.
In the days of the USSR, everyone made themselves “from needles to orbital stations!” The destruction of the 90s will go around for a long time. Thank God we understood this and still hold on!

Everything is so, but not everything is as bad as some cry here - the production of the element base is being restored, and not only of the components, but also of products based on them. The main production was on the outskirts and in Belarus (during the USSR), still Latvia and part in the Urals and Siberia. The process is not fast - technology steps faster than our capabilities. thanks to our "economic elite".

[shirkoled]

Here in RUSSIA and space satellites are falling !!! Missing Mr. Chursin STALIN JOSEPH VISSARIONOVICH !!! He brought the industry to a pen: I quote "Now, unfortunately, the situation is such that, as a rule, Russian companies that produce satellites are 70% dependent on the electronic component base of foreign production," RIA Novosti quoted him as saying I couldn’t even think of such a thing !!!

[Beltasir matyagu]

For military customers, there is secret electronics. For civilians, for some reason they do not try, although it is very stupid.

[Ivan Tucha]

this is very bad. we develop our technologies slowly, extremely. they have new technologies, we don’t buy or buy junk. hence there is no economic development. addiction alone.