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Poisoned feather. Hesitate along with the party line! (Part of 4)

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Surprisingly, after reading the Soviet post-war newspapers, it seems that the articles in them were written by people who donned dark glasses and didn’t notice what was going on around them. What was happening around Soviet journalists in the first place was that the huge masses of Soviet people were able to finally break free from the “iron curtain” and see with their own eyes - “but what about there ?!” And not only see, but bring back trophies - not only harmonicas, accordions and watches, but - and this is the most important - their own impressions of what they saw. That is, people were personally convinced that the Soviet pre-war press (and the military too!) In many ways openly lied to them that people lived “there” not at all like they were told about. Again, only 20% of those who were there could think about it, but, appealing to the consciousness and memory of everyone else, they could change a lot in the attitudes of the latter, even without any “anti-Soviet” intent. Simply, people initially do not like being deceived, but here a completely obvious and obvious deception was revealed! And it was necessary to somehow smoothly, “pay off”, but ... nothing was done! On the contrary, in 1946 - 1953, as before the war, as in the prewar peacetime period, newspapers were engaged in convincingly and bluntly convincing Soviet citizens of the advantages of the socialist system over capitalism, and they wrote about it directly on their pages. Soviet patriotism, education of the working masses in the spirit of socialist consciousness ”[1] - these were, then, almost the most significant slogans of the day.


That is, the authorities understood that after everything they had seen, people's faith in socialism "cracked." But no one came up with any innovations in order to try to “lay it on” at that time, and, most likely, simply did not dare to offer, fearing for his own life and freedom. The newspaper Pravda, for example, wrote about the need to “deeply and popularly explain the sources of our victory in the Great Patriotic War: the advantages of the Soviet social and state system, the strength and power of the Red Army, the role of the Bolshevik Party - the great party of Lenin-Stalin as an inspiration and organizer of victories our homeland. " That is, the basis of the victory over the enemy lay all the same “achievements of socialism in our country”: the dictatorship of the proletariat, the presence of a “Leninist-type” governing party led by the great Stalin, a collective farm system in the village, well, and, of course, a powerful army and navy led by Bolshevik commanders. And it turned out that the time around was already new, and the journalistic cliches are the same as before the war!


The newspaper Pravda is truly a storehouse of information about the war. For example, a photograph of a tank landing on tank BT-7.

However, since the topic of the past war has now exhausted itself, in the post-war period the Soviet press began to introduce with the new force into the consciousness of Soviet people an ideology about the unconditional advantages of the socialist system over capitalism. Again, in their striving to promote to the masses the idea of ​​the superiority of socialism over capitalism, the newspapers began to use materials telling about life abroad, especially since traveling abroad for the Soviet people was again limited to a minimum. At the same time, publications on the events that took place in the countries of Eastern Europe in the post-war period became a great help. Describing the accelerated pace of economic recovery, industry, education systems in these countries, Soviet journalists often referred to their foreign colleagues in order to give more convincing material and create the impression that the state of affairs was unbiased about their own situation.

Soviet readers could read, for example, the report of the American observer of the Columbia broadcasting company Howard Smith, who visited European countries [2], who "pointed to the existing contrast between the improvement of the situation of most peoples in Eastern Europe and the deterioration of the situation in the West". And then Howard Smith made the following predictions about the development of Eastern and Western Europe: “The wealth and power of Western Europe will decrease even more during the life of the next generation, because this wealth and influence is still largely based on colonial empires, which are currently experiencing various stages of decay. " Reporting on the pace of recovery and development of the economy and the national economy in the young socialist countries, Soviet newspapers wrote that "many of these countries overtook other Western European states in their post-war reconstruction" [3]. According to publications in Soviet newspapers, the countries of Eastern Europe began to flourish precisely from the moment when they embarked on the rails of creating a socialist system. The materials on life in these states were more like triumphant reports from the front of the struggle of socialism with capitalism than any other material! The leading role of the Soviet Union and its citizens, without which the population of Poland, Czechoslovakia, Romania and other “countries of people's democracy” could not cope with the difficulties, was strongly emphasized.

Pravda under the heading “In the countries of people's democracy” constantly published grateful responses from the working countries of Eastern Europe. For example, it was reported that Czechoslovak workers achieved unprecedented labor productivity only thanks to the experience of the Soviet working people. In the article “Eternal Friendship,” the writer Jiří Marek conveyed the thoughts and feelings of Czech workers in this way: “The flourishing of our industry cannot be imagined without incorporating the rich Soviet experience. It is impossible to imagine the labor enthusiasm of our workers without the noble example of Soviet working people ”[4]. Particular emphasis was placed in the article on the role of exchange of experience: “A steelmaker Losard from the Vitkovitsky metallurgical plants began to carry out high-speed melting, having studied the experience of the Soviet masters Frolov, Privalov and Subbotin”. However, it was not only the Czech metallurgists who managed to increase labor productivity by studying the experience of Soviet workers: “Our shipbuilders, miners, metallurgists, machine builders, railway workers are achieving better results thanks to the use of Soviet labor methods.” All this is due to the fact that “the power of the Soviet example at every step helps our workers to successfully overcome these difficulties, break down outdated technical standards and achieve unprecedented results.”

In the same vein, articles were written about other countries of the “socialist camp” [5]. And what do you say to that? Someone else's experience, especially if it is so positive, of course, is a good thing and should be studied. But is it worth it to write about it so pathetically, this is the question, and the question is very important! However, this was just the beginning, because further, namely from 1947, Soviet newspapers began to publish more and more materials proving that Soviet science and technology were the most advanced among all European powers at that time. From these articles, Soviet readers learned that in India at the international exhibition in front of the Soviet car ZIS-110 “there was an admiring crowd of visitors” [6], and on a trip to Austria the car “Victory” is able to “overtake” the Opeli “without much stress” and Mercedes [7]. Now, unlike 20-30s, Soviet newspapers no longer wrote about the outstanding achievements of Western scholars, but devoted their publications exclusively to Soviet [8]. It was emphasized that according to the decision of the XIX Congress of the Communist Party, science in the USSR was intended to “take first place in world science” [9]. In a word, having familiarized themselves with materials on life in Eastern Europe [10], Soviet readers could make an unequivocal conclusion that the USSR and its allies would soon expect an undoubtedly brighter future, while the countries of capitalism would soon have to wallow in terrible poverty .

In describing the events of foreign reality, Soviet newspapers, as in the years of the Great Patriotic War, painted a rather specific picture of the world in which the Soviet Union was always in the center of attention of all states. Everything that happens in the USSR aroused the keenest interest among the citizens of the whole world. The materials of the Soviet press created for the Soviet people the feeling that the whole world was watching, with bated breath, the development of events in our country, and all other events in the world were of a secondary nature. For example, judging by newspaper publications, the monetary reform and the abolition of the rationing system in the Soviet Union in 1947 for some reason provoked a strong reaction in the capitalist countries, and the evaluations of the Soviet government, given by the Western press, were only positive [11]. For example, in the Austrian press, it was reported that monetary reform in the USSR had undoubted success, since “the totality of all the activities carried out by the Soviet government will bring to the workers and employees of the country a substantial increase in their real wages and thus an increase in their standard of living” [12].

Citizens of not only European, but also Eastern countries showed interest in our science, culture and art [13]. All memorable days and holidays for Soviet citizens, according to Soviet newspapers, were most widely celebrated abroad [14]. It was reported to the citizens of the USSR that “a large-scale rally was held at the crossroads of two streets in the working-class district of Delhi on the occasion of the 28 anniversary of the death of V.I. Lenin ”[15], and the holiday of 1 in May was celebrated by workers not only from Eastern Europe, but also from almost the entire world [16].


It is clear that a kind word and a cat are nice, but nevertheless journalists would have to know the best in stories from abroad about how the whole world admires matters in the USSR.

And again, as in previous years, in the post-war period, Soviet journalists described some facts of foreign reality, based on the political situation in our country. The same I.V. Stalin was praised not only in publications relating to the domestic political situation, but also in articles describing events abroad. From publications about foreign events, Soviet citizens could find out that the same boundless and deep love and devotion to the “leader of all peoples” I.V. was inherent in the inhabitants of capitalist countries. Stalin, who experienced themselves. Judging by the materials of central and regional newspapers, ordinary citizens of capitalist countries admired the wisdom, vision, simplicity and philanthropy of the leader of the Soviet Union to the same extent as they themselves. And of course, someone sincerely believed this, but this could not but have a truly negative impact on people who think.

A particularly illustrative example here is the Pravda newspaper article on life in Japan at the beginning of the 50s. For example, judging by newspaper publications, Japanese citizens simply overwhelmed feelings of joy and gratitude in response to Stalin’s appeal to the editor-in-chief of the Kyodo agency K. Iwamoto: “Stalin ... spoke clearly, simply and in a way that only a person who cares can say about the common people. And we, three ordinary Japanese guys, immediately understood: Stalin remembers us, he wishes us happiness ”[17]. This message agitated, according to the interpretation of Pravda correspondent A. Kozhin, the whole of Japan: “the news of the historical message of I.V. Stalin with lightning speed spread throughout the country and excited millions of people. ” Since then, "millions of people in Japan live by the message of the leader of the Soviet people." After reading this article, Soviet readers could learn that the words of Stalin instilled courage and revived hopes for the best in the souls of the Japanese. That they "brought in the half-dark rooms a breath of fresh, invigorating wind, the invisible light of human participation and attention, with which only those who are well aware of how hard they live in their native, but enslaved land, could turn to them." Soviet people could conclude that only the head of the Soviet state could help the unfortunate Japanese, because "Stalin's words ignite a fire of self-confidence in the eyes of people, raise their self-esteem, striving for peace, for a better future." Meanwhile, only a person who did not know anything about Japan could write, he did not understand the psychology of the Japanese, and perhaps he had never been there. However, on the other hand, how could he have written otherwise, even if he had even grasped Japanese psychology? And here, of course, it was easier to “lie” about the Japanese than about the same Poles, Czechs and Slovaks, not to mention Yugoslavs and former “comrade” Broz Tito, who suddenly became an enemy overnight, because of contacts between them and our citizens almost none at all. However, there was a “puncture”, then there was a “puncture” - so gradually, the faith in our press and our journalists was shaken!

In general, analyzing the materials of the Soviet press about life abroad after the war, one can come to the following conclusions: firstly, the manner of submission of publications about events in foreign countries completely coincided with the manner of presentation news materials about life in the country. Secondly, in the postwar years, as in the previous period, the Soviet press was engaged in activities that were very far from truly informing citizens about real events abroad. Instead, it, as before, served as a means of powerful, but ill-conceived and not at all flexible, totalitarian propaganda, the purpose of which was only to arm the Soviet people - "the advanced builders of socialist society" with "the correct understanding of the events taking place" [18]. That is, the simplest and most correct thing for the then Soviet journalist to do was "to oscillate along with the party's line," and, in accordance with all its fluctuations, as before, to promote this very line in life!

Surprisingly, even then, in those years, and moreover, far from the very intellectual environment in the USSR there were people who openly opposed all these lies, even if they had to pay for it with freedom. So, for example, happened to a number of workers from the city of Kuibyshev (today's Samara), when in 1949 the political compass needle in the Soviet government “turned away” from the Yugoslav leader Josip Broz Tito. It came to a complete rupture of diplomatic relations between our countries. At the same time, Comrade Tito immediately turned from a “great friend of the USSR” into a “bloody dog”, “leader of the fascist clique” and “hireling Anglo-American imperialism”. There was nothing new in such zigzags for the Soviet press. However, during this time, people have already become a little bit different, but they have seen a lot, heard a lot from eyewitnesses, so it was simply not possible with them. As before, there were people whom such a quick degeneration of our recent ally and supporter not only surprised, but also outraged, and they ... even expressed their opinion about all this out loud! However, as before, in the immediate environment of these people were those who immediately passed their words "where they should", with all the ensuing consequences.

For example, the involuntary victim of the “fascist Tito” was the brigadier of the plant No. XXUMX in the city of Kuibyshev (now Samara) 24-year-old Ilya Galkin. According to the materials of the investigation, this politically immature Kuybyshevets (surely such people met in Penza, not to mention Moscow and Leningrad, but in order not to waste time searching, we confined ourselves to the material that Moreover, Samara is not far from Penza! - the comment of SA and VO) “in the workshop of the plant in the presence of witnesses praised the treacherous policy of the Tito clique in Yugoslavia, while slandering the policy of the CPSU (b) and the Soviet government ".

Meanwhile, Galkin just said that the leader of the Yugoslav partisans, who had raided Hitler's invaders for four years, could not have become a fascist right away. “Comrade Stalin is wrong in the fact that we broke off relations with Yugoslavia,” said this brave man as a result. After that, the court found him guilty of "counter-revolutionary agitation" and sentenced him to imprisonment for eight years, followed by a defeat in electoral rights for three years, as if that his right to choose in the USSR at least something then meant!

Interestingly, during 1949-1952, no less than 30 people were convicted only in the Kuibyshev regional court "for praising Tito". At the same time, there were people of various social strata and financial situation: 36-year-old watchmaker Nikolai Boyko, 45 aircraft-plant engineer Peter Kozlov, Metallobtremont mechanic 48-year-old Fyodor Krajukhin and many others. All of them - and among them there were many participants in the war - for their "thoughts out loud" received a sentence in camps from five to 10 years [19].

While Stalin dealt with Josip Broz Tito and stigmatized him through the Soviet press, the war in Korea began, and, according to Soviet propaganda, the start of hostilities was provoked by the South Koreans, incited by the American imperialists, but the North Koreans only defended themselves and nothing more. A different interpretation of those events could have cost the Soviet man imprisonment for a very long time and, nevertheless, there were still people who did not believe all this, and, as they say, called things by their proper names.

An example of this is the fate of a Syzran resident of 67-year-old Moses Mintz, who for the first time hit the dock before the war. Then he worked as head of the housing and communal department of the Syzran city executive committee, but in 1940, at one of the meetings, he took unprecedented liberty to doubt the validity of the arrest and execution of the “Tukhachevsky group” (as we can see, the absurdities of the newspapers of that time were not the only ones who were surprised! - Note. .A. And V.O.). For this, he was expelled from the party, and then sentenced to five years in the camps. Returning from the “places not so remote”, Mintz got a job as a clerk in the cooperative artel, but still, as noted in the new indictment, “continued to remain in the Trotskyist positions”. In the summer and autumn of 1950, he, in the city of Syzran, in the presence of witnesses, “expressed slanderous lies about the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea and at the same time slandered Soviet reality. From an anti-Soviet position spoke of the activities of the Soviet government in the struggle for peace and the prevention of war. "

Moreover, the defendant Mints, as it turned out during the investigation, regularly listened to Western radio broadcasts, and then expounded to his acquaintances an “enemy” point of view on events in Korea. At the same time, he compared these events with the beginning of the war between the USSR and Finland in 1939, when the Soviet government also stated that the cause of the conflict was provocations from the Finnish side. And now, he concluded, “we are dealing with one more example of deceit (this is necessary, and said so! - Approx. SA and V.O.), which is fighting for peace only in words, but in deed kindled another war. ”

After such recognition, the Kuibyshev Regional Court sentenced Moses Mintz to imprisonment under Art. 58-10 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR for a period of 10 years, followed by a five-year defeat in voting rights. As it appears from the data of the local archive, being in years he did not live to see the end of this term and died in a camp in 1956 at the age of 73 years [20].

However, he was not the only one who suffered from his misunderstanding of the Korean events. Those at the beginning of 50 in Kuibyshev gathered more than 15 people, so that among those arrested were 65-year-old retiree Valery Slushkin, and 36-year-old kolkhoznik Bari Khasanov, and 35-year-old artist of Novokuibyshevsky Palace of Culture Peter Zhelyatsky and many, many others. All of them, because of their political ignorance, went to camps for a period of four to six years [21].

But then the real farce began, because Nikita Khrushchev, who replaced Stalin as General Secretary, decided to “be friends” with Yugoslavia, visited Belgrade with a visit, during which he strongly emphasized that the previous confrontation was nothing but a mistake of the Stalinist leadership. Accordingly, a new course on the orders from the top immediately began an urgent review of criminal cases instituted against "supporters of Tito," most of which were immediately acquitted, released and rehabilitated "due to the absence of corpus delicti in their actions."

But the “victims of the Korean War” were so unlucky, because, although many of them were also released, they were not restored in civil rights, since Khrushchev’s point of view on the events in Korea had not changed. In addition, the Khrushchev Criminal Code also contained an article for anti-Soviet statements, which means that they were still guilty, although not to the same extent as before.

Well, how many such “truth-lovers” were condemned in the country, if there were more than 45 people in the Kuybyshev region? Probably quite a lot, but even more were, of course, those who were smart and careful enough not to say anything out loud, but at the same time to think the same way. But, nevertheless, their nihilism should have manifested itself in something else, and that’s what it didn’t manifest, it wasn’t good for our system or our state. There is no faith - no conviction, no conviction - no hope, no hope - and people lose heart, and they do badly even the fact that without much difficulty they could do much better. The house that was built on the sand will not stand, and it should be noted that the weakness of the information foundation of the Soviet government became a fait accompli by the beginning of the 50s.

1. True. 5 May 1946. No.107. C.1
2. Stalin's Banner. 6 September 1947. No.176. C.4
3. Stalin's Banner. 28 September 1947. No.192. C.4
4. True. 2 January 1953. No.2. C.3.
5. True. 5 January 1953. No.5. C.1; True. 9 January 1953. No.9. C.1; True. 14 January 1953. No.14. C.1; True. 17 January 1953. No.17. C.1.
6. True. 13 January 1952. No.13. C.3
7. True. 4 January 1953. No.4. C.4.
8. True. 10 March 1946. No.58. C.1; True. 2 January 1952. No.2. C.3; True. 22 February 1952. No.53. C.3; True. 13 March 1952. No.73. C.3.
9. True. 2 January 1953. No.2. C.1.
10. True. 5 March 1953. No.64. C.4; True. 1 August 1953. No.213. C.1.
11. Stalin's Banner. 20 December 1947. No.251. C.4.
12. Ibid. 19 December 1947. No.250. C.4.
13. True. 31 January 1949. No.31. C.4; True. 11 August 1949. No.223. C.1; True. 14 February 1952. No.45. C.3.
14. True. 23 January 1949. No.23. C.4; True. 22 January 1949. No.22. C.3; True. 22 February 1949. No.53. C.4; True. 23 February 1949. No.54. C.4; True. 24 February 1949. No.55. C.4; True. 25 February 1949. No.56. C.4.
15. True. 22 January 1952. No.22. C.3.
16. True. 4 May 1947. No.109. C.4; True. 2 May 1949. No.122. C.4.
17. True. 2 January 1952. No.2. C.3.
18. True. 5 May 1949. No.125. C.4.
19. Erofeev V. Concentration camp for politically illiterate // Secrets of the twentieth century. 2011. No.24. C.8-9.
20. Ibid.C.8-9.
21. Ibid. C.8-9.

To be continued ...
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Articles from this series:
Poisoned feather. Too short memory, too inept speakers (part of 3)
Poisoned feather. Too many Germanic letters (part of 2)
Poisoned feather. Paradoxes of the Soviet press of the era of the Great Patriotic War ... (part of 1)
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  1. kig
    kig April 24 2018 05: 42
    +6
    Sorry, where is the point? I believe the majority of the population realizes that our (and non-ours) media also follow a political line, the CPSU defines this line or any other, it doesn’t matter. It is enough to change the word, put a comma in the wrong place, and on TV you can play with intonation, frown or smile, and the meaning of the news will be different. So what do you want to tell us? Suggestions will be?
    1. Cartalon
      Cartalon April 24 2018 06: 24
      +9
      The bottom line is that Soviet propaganda was clumsy.
      1. rkkasa xnumx
        rkkasa xnumx April 24 2018 09: 54
        +9
        Quote: Cartalon
        The bottom line is that Soviet propaganda was clumsy

        Firstly, if propaganda is clumsy (that is, rude and artless), then this does not mean that it is bad and false. For example :
        The newspaper Pravda, for example, wrote about the need to “deeply and popularly explain the sources of our victory in the Great Patriotic War: the advantages of the Soviet social and political system, the strength and power of the Red Army, the role of the Bolshevik party - the great Lenin-Stalin party as the inspirer and organizer of victories of our homeland. " That is, the victory over the enemy was based on all the same “achievements of socialism in our country”: the dictatorship of the proletariat, the presence of the leading party of the “Leninist type” led by the great Stalin, the collective farm system in the village, and, of course, the powerful army and navy led by Bolshevik commanders.

        So what's wrong here?
        And secondly, for the sake of objectivity, it would be nice to compare our propaganda with Western propaganda. I suspect that they also lacked "clumsiness" at that time.
        1. kalibr
          April 24 2018 10: 23
          +4
          Well, firstly, this is a monographic study, that is, one topic. And yes, clumsiness was enough there. But ... their state is intact, but ours is not. So the comparison is in any case not in our favor
          1. rkkasa xnumx
            rkkasa xnumx April 24 2018 11: 07
            +10
            Quote: kalibr
            clumsiness was enough there. But ... their state is intact, but ours is not. So the comparison is in any case not in our favor

            In the sense of ?
            The study is dedicated to propaganda, and not the reasons for the collapse of the state. Propaganda certainly has a big impact on the sustainability-instability of states, but this is still secondary. In general, it is not clear why comparing propaganda from the middle of the XNUMXth century will not be in our favor because of the collapse of the USSR at the end of the XNUMXth century.
  2. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 April 24 2018 06: 00
    +14
    Shpakovsky again with his student drives a blizzard. sad
    1. Cartalon
      Cartalon April 24 2018 06: 19
      +4
      And what is the blizzard? Anything you disagree with by definition?
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 April 24 2018 06: 24
        +13
        In everything. This changeling, a former professor of history of the CPSU, gives one-sided coverage. Take the same Japan. They took precisely the Stalinist economy as a basis, which our Vyacheslav Olegovich is modestly silent about. In general, his pen is poisonous.
        1. Cartalon
          Cartalon April 24 2018 06: 37
          +3
          The Stalinist economy in Japan, well now it’s clear why the Japanese are dying out, so the article is not about economics.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 April 24 2018 06: 42
            +12
            I am writing about the fact that Shpakovsky is biased. Skews, you know.
            1. kalibr
              April 24 2018 07: 01
              +8
              Articles materials in front of you. Here is a photo of the article. What other objectivity do you need to make sure that propaganda was primitive and of little use. Had we otherwise lived in the USSR today ...
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 April 24 2018 07: 43
                +14
                Vyacheslav Olegovich ... You seem to write everything correctly, and you don’t distort the facts, but after reading your article the thought remains: “It's not like that, guys.” You like mercury on a silver platter, ride, and not hook you in any way. This is a compliment, congratulations. good Order of the Jesuits You would have done well.
                1. tlauicol
                  tlauicol April 24 2018 07: 51
                  +5
                  cognitive dissonance is called. in your case, rejection of the bitter truth for the sake of sweet flattery
                  only this is the history of our country, we must love it for what it is, and not turn a blind eye to sad facts
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 April 24 2018 07: 57
                    +10
                    Not. When they rely on one truth, trampling on another, then this is unacceptable, IMHO. After reading this article, the thought arises of how bad things were in the USSR. But this is not so. An ordinary beekeeper could give two planes.
                    1. tlauicol
                      tlauicol April 24 2018 08: 00
                      +2
                      really one! alone! there is no truth Russian or American, white or black.
                      after reading the article, a fair thought arises that the Truth did not write the truth, and everything was somewhat worse than it actually was. And the mind does not experience CD
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 April 24 2018 08: 06
                        +11
                        Quote: Tlauicol
                        after reading the article, a fair thought arises that the Truth did not write the truth, and everything was somewhat worse than it actually was. And the mind does not experience CD

                        I do not agree! Shpakovsky pulled from the "Truth" the facts that he likes. He is the anti-demagogue. In the Stalinist USSR it was much better than in the subsequent. There were more than 4 ex millions of artisans. Even TVs were released in the 39 year.
                    2. Sergej1972
                      Sergej1972 3 May 2018 14: 49
                      0
                      The beekeeper was not the most common profession. All collective farmers and individual farmers who were engaged in beekeeping had an income level above the average.
                2. kalibr
                  April 24 2018 10: 25
                  +3
                  Thanks! But this is because the truth is being written. Moreover, its small part. If they themselves read the then newspapers ...
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 April 24 2018 10: 33
                    +7
                    Quote: kalibr
                    Thanks! But this is because the truth is being written.

                    So I do not deny that you are writing the truth. I'm talking about the fact that you write it one-sidedly.
              2. Olgovich
                Olgovich April 24 2018 07: 57
                +4
                Quote: kalibr
                Here is a photo of the article. What other objectivity do you need to make sure that propaganda was primitive and of little use

                For some time it was very effective due to the inaccessibility of other knowledge. But she simply didn’t eject a clash with reality
              3. 27091965
                27091965 April 24 2018 08: 33
                +8
                Quote: kalibr
                Articles materials in front of you. Here is a photo of the article. What other objectivity do you need?


                Analysis primarily involves comparing multiple systems, objects, or actions. Consideration of one of the above, without comparison, will not be objective.
                1. kalibr
                  April 24 2018 10: 31
                  +3
                  And with what can you compare the "TRUTH"? Give me another newspaper ...
                  1. 27091965
                    27091965 April 24 2018 10: 42
                    +6
                    Quote: kalibr
                    And with what can you compare the "TRUTH"? Give me another newspaper ...


                    I think it is necessary to compare not the newspapers of one country, but the conduct of propaganda by different political systems.
                  2. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh April 25 2018 17: 05
                    +1
                    Right on the Soviet joke. Dialogue at the Union Print Kiosk.
                    "The truth is to me!"
                    Seller: there is no "truth."
                    And what instead of "truth"?
                    Seller: "Lenin's sparks" and "labor" for three pennies. "
                2. Trilobite Master
                  Trilobite Master April 24 2018 10: 44
                  +7
                  Quote: 27091965i
                  Analysis primarily involves comparing multiple systems, objects, or actions. Consideration of one of the above, without comparison, will not be objective.

                  Analysis (ancient Greek ἀνάλυσις - decomposition, dismemberment, disassembly) is a research method characterized by the selection and study of individual parts of the objects of study.
                  Quote and wiki. Nothing about the comparison. But this is how I find fault. smile
                  Personally, it seems to me that, like you and some other readers, it seems that the cycle is “missing something.” Someone demands to tell "how to", if everything was so bad, someone tried to prove that "they are no better," someone just resents because ... well, just because. But I did not see comments testifying to agreement with the author and satisfaction of what I read, except that Ol'govich is gloating here today, but he simply sees in the article criticism of the Soviet government he loaths no more, therefore he rejoices.
                  I do not try to advise the author, but it seems to me that the available material would really not be more than something to supplement. And the simplest, as it seems to me, in order not to engage in the search and transfer of Western propaganda samples, is to give examples of successful propaganda moves of the Soviet time, moreover, the “successful” ones are not in the style of winning propaganda over common sense due to pressure and pressure (although such for clarity would come up), and examples of successful adjustment of people's consciousness due to subtle manipulation with a positive outcome for the country. Surely similar examples can be found.
                  The fact that propaganda, based solely on direct lies, and even instantly changing its vector by one hundred and eighty degrees, depending on changes not in objective reality, but as part of the country's leadership, does more harm than good, generating protest and mistrust, understandably. Another thing is incomprehensible - why the hell did she need it at all, and was it really so hopeless with her (propaganda) - not a single bright spot?
  3. Olgovich
    Olgovich April 24 2018 06: 55
    +3
    "The news of the historical message of I.V. Stalin with lightning speed spread throughout the country and excited millions of people". Since then, “millions of people in Japan live by the message of the leader of the Soviet people". "Brought to the dark rooms a breath of fresh, invigorating wind, the invisible light of human participation and attention, which could only be addressed to him who understands how hard it is for them to live in their native, but enslaved land ”

    Oh my god!
    And today someone likes this!
    And someone is ready SUCH to listen every day! fool
    Howard Smith, who visited European countries [2], who "pointed out the contrast between the improvement in the situation of most peoples in Eastern Europe and the deterioration of the situation in the West." And then Howard Smith made the following predictions regarding the development of the countries of Eastern and Western Europe: “the wealth and power of Western Europe will decrease even more during the life of the next generation
    lol
    Predictions based on continuous lies awaited the expected unfortunate fate ....

    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich, pleased!
    You can simply give excerpts from that “press” - TIME and HISTORY itself commented on them,
    1. kalibr
      April 24 2018 07: 14
      +6
      I myself had such an idea. But firstly, these are excerpts from the dissertation. Secondly, photographing texts is inconvenient. You cannot use a tripod. It is necessary to hand. Newspapers are bound in huge albums. Lighting is poor. Therefore, you have to give photos only occasionally. And to retype ... they won’t believe it, ha ha!
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich April 24 2018 08: 01
        +1
        Quote: kalibr
        And to retype ... they won’t believe it, ha ha!

        They do not believe in photographs (fake) or documents from the GARF ("stuffing"). fool
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 April 24 2018 08: 11
      +9
      Quote: Olgovich
      Forecasts based on continuous lies

      You would have told Herbert that Wells. He would definitely not eat his hat.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich April 24 2018 09: 58
        +1
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        Would you herbert toldwhich is wells.

        Nope, you, somehow, yourself! yes
  4. kalibr
    April 24 2018 06: 59
    +3
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    They took as their basis the Stalinist economy

    When and where is it written about? And who?
    Oh, how many wonderful discoveries to us
    Prepare an enlightened spirit,
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich April 24 2018 08: 04
      +1
      Quote: kalibr
      Oh, how many wonderful discoveries to us
      Prepare an enlightened spirit,

      To Japanese (Stalin) fool ekonomik fits, I think, like this:
      Oh, how many wonderful discoveries to us
      Ignorance prepares the spirit
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 April 24 2018 08: 13
      +8
      I will tell you even more. In Germany, managers are studying the Makarenko system. sad
      1. kalibr
        April 24 2018 10: 33
        +3
        Maybe they’re studying. That is why there, probably, the pension for men is 1000 euros, and for women 500. And our pension in 14000 is considered good, and many receive 7800!
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid April 24 2018 10: 55
          +10
          Quote: kalibr
          ...... we have a pension of 14000 is considered good, and many receive 7800!
          ------ all claims to capitalism in Russia, they’ve mastered PR, they expose socialism, and people do not have enough pensions !! How so? For 30 years, anti-Stalinism, they have been eating away the Soviet legacy, they are saving on the maintenance of the republics, the pipe is being exploited, and all pensions under capitalism are still small. And there were less of it. Yes, they were detained for half a year. We thought it was clear that anti-Stalinism, anti-socialism ---- what more is needed? Why pensions? Now, however, thought better of it, slightly. How long?
          It is worth remembering what the USSR achieved in 30 years from 1917 to 1947?
      2. kalibr
        April 24 2018 10: 38
        +3
        But you did not answer my question about Japan. How is it known that they took the Stalinist model of the economy? Which of the economists wrote about this and in what work?
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 April 24 2018 10: 46
          +7
          Quote: kalibr
          How is it known that they took the Stalinist model of the economy?

          I read in AiF. It's been a long time, really. I can’t give a link, so I’m writing from memory. In general, the Japanese in the 50 years hung Soviet slogans, such as: "Parasite - the enemy of production"
          1. kalibr
            April 24 2018 11: 16
            +2
            So I thought. Ovchinnikov’s “Sakura Branch” has another slogan: “Cadres decide everything!”. But only slogans and an economic model are two different things, and the AMF ... is a newspaper, not a scientific monograph. And there’s a Murzilka. Very interesting magazine "Secrets and mysteries." The aliens are blamed for everything ...
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid April 24 2018 11: 42
              +7
              Quote: kalibr
              And there’s a Murzilka. .

              Vyacheslav! As everyone has long known for a long time, I acquired the magazines MURZILKA.ARCHIVE. This Digest. 1924 --- 1945, Volume 1 Book 2 How did the children live in 1924 and beyond. This is a reflection of the life of the whole country. What the children knew at that time, what they were interested in. SIMPLY super! They took care of the children then and then. Despite the devastation and everything else. Here you, Vyacheslav, see in everything the wrong harmful piyar under the USSR. It's hard for me about newspapers, I’m always talking about this. But here in these Murzilka I see a wonderful PR in every line.
              Here on such magazines as Murzilka, Candle, Hedgehog and raised children. Maybe according to Makarenko? And then I watch the newsreel I WANT TO KNOW EVERYTHING on the net. Well, oooooochen the right PR.
              1. kalibr
                April 24 2018 14: 58
                +2
                Here was an article about generations. Look at what generations these magazines were ...
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid April 24 2018 15: 42
                  +4
                  Quote: kalibr
                  Here was an article about generations. Look at what generations these magazines were ...

                  The right PR, Soviet PR, was already then! Why watch that article? All these magazines were for the Soviet post-revolutionary generation! FOR the pre-war generation! It was the children of this pre-war generation who went to defend their homeland in the Great Patriotic War! The result is known to you .. And how and why there are examples of ineffective and stupid PRs I do not know. If in the 20s and then ---- they could and did, but suddenly they do not correspond to you .......
                  About an article about generations. I told you correctly and politely about her, mind you, in another article. You answered me. Well, we don’t have authors on some topics !! For now, anyway.
                  1. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid April 24 2018 19: 56
                    +1
                    Quote: Reptiloid
                    Well, we don’t have authors on some topics !! For now, anyway.

                    Stumble !! There are authors, but they are secret! Or secret ..... It depends on what topic.
        2. BAI
          BAI April 24 2018 11: 23
          +11
          How is it known that they took the Stalinist model of the economy? Which of the economists wrote about this and in what work?

          And after that, do you still criticize the Soviet press? Of course, how do you know the facts that do not fit into your theory:
          In 1991, when our democrats started talking about the "Japanese economic miracle" at the Soviet-American symposium, the Japanese billionaire Heroshi Takawama gave them an excellent rebuke: "You are not talking about the main thing. About your leading role in the world. In 1939, you Russians were smart, and we Japanese were fools. And in 1955 we got smarter, and you turned into 5-year-olds. Our entire economic system is almost completely copied from yours, with the only difference being that we have capitalism, private producers, and we have never achieved more than 15% growth, but you - with public ownership of the means of production - have reached 30% or more. In all of our firms hang your slogans of the Stalin era". The Japanese very accurately copied the experience of the Stalinist economy, engaging in a large corporation, the Japanese get a lifetime hiring, the corporation pays them everything, and provides tools for creative growth, the very one that pulled Japan into a number of superpowers. And this is a kind of Japanese corporate mini socialism.
          1. kalibr
            April 24 2018 14: 54
            +2
            But I know what role Moses Juran played in the Japanese economy ... And this is more important. A kind of corporate mini socialism - all these are effemisms, dearest, for which there is a completely different essence. The German fascists built good roads, for example, and in this they could and should learn. The essence of fascism did not change the road ... And again, the Soviet press was good? Well let it be! Everything was good. But this good country is not here! Like a cow tongue licked.
            1. BAI
              BAI April 24 2018 15: 22
              +5
              But this good country is not here! Like a cow tongue licked.

              And this is not an argument. If you put a bad driver behind the wheel of a good car, the car is not to blame. In socialist China, good drivers were driving - and the result is obvious. Who will challenge China's economic success? The same socialist system, and propaganda is even cooler than in the USSR.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack April 24 2018 15: 25
                +2
                Quote: BAI
                The same socialist system ...

                ... in China? belay
                Is there anything left of socialism except the name? What, for example?
              2. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh April 25 2018 17: 13
                +1
                "The same socialist system" ///

                It was. They move smoothly but consistently to
                capitalism. The percentage of state property is sharply reduced, and private property is growing.
                China follows the path of Japan and South Korea. The Communist Party will become socialist, then ruling-popular, the opposition will appear and ... the Japanese way.
                They are afraid to do it too fast - yes.
  5. tlauicol
    tlauicol April 24 2018 08: 11
    +2
    Mordvin 3,
    facts are stubborn things. even you recognize them. I don’t like them either, but what should I do? If so?
    in response, you drill about the Stalinist economy of Japan and a happy life under Stalin - is that true or what?
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 April 24 2018 10: 48
      +7
      Quote: Tlauicol
      and a happy life under Stalin - is that true or what?

      No, a lie! My grandfather in the 50 years was a shoemaker, and earned thousands.
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol April 24 2018 10: 57
        0
        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        Quote: Tlauicol
        and a happy life under Stalin - is that true or what?

        No, a lie! My grandfather in the 50 years was a shoemaker, and earned thousands.

        And with Gorbachev, we became millionaires. Scary to remember
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 April 24 2018 11: 01
          +8
          Under Gorbachev, in the 90 year I was skiing to my grandfather, I wanted to exchange fifty dollars. Remember the Pavlov reform? Here I am about that.
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 April 24 2018 11: 24
          +9
          I can’t stand this idiot. About him, damn it, thousands of jokes composed. Type: "Mikhaila Sergeich comes into the bathhouse, and the men all hide behind, and ask, but how, Rais Maksimovna is not with you?
          1. kalibr
            April 24 2018 14: 50
            +3
            Thousands of jokes have been written about Chapaev. Type: Vasily Ivanovich and Petka climbed into the pipe from the squirrels to escape, and Anka got stuck in the pipe. Shouts: "Taz is stuck!" Chapaev: "What a fool, you would have taken it!"
  6. Curious
    Curious April 24 2018 09: 29
    +11
    "Analysis primarily involves comparing several systems, objects or actions. Considering one of the above, without comparison, will not be objective."
    Here is a comment that, it seems to me, reflects the essence of the issue. From myself, I would also add the need for at least a brief theoretical basis of the process under consideration and the tasks for which it was created. Those. nevertheless, the article was preceded by an article explaining that there is propaganda in general, for what tasks it creates and what methods it uses.
    Then at least the notorious 20% of readers would be able to see that in reality everything is somewhat different from what the authors interpret in the articles.
    The main task of any propaganda is the creation of a certain model of the world. "Our world", "our future", "our past" should be strengthened to the limit, "aliens" as much as possible "omitted."
    "Our" world should always be not only more correct, but also fairer than the "alien".
    Soviet propaganda successfully coped with this task.
    Obviously, therefore, nothing has changed today and these proven techniques using modern capabilities are massively applied practically unchanged.
    Examples are easily found right here on a site full of articles. propaganda sense with a completely cave content, but causing mass delight of the audience, i.e. performing their tasks. Even the image of the "external" enemy, and that one was borrowed without changes from Soviet propaganda, is "American imperialism."
    In the same way, the media are used to prepare the psychological background for specific events in domestic and foreign policy.
    In the same way, history is used, a different interpretation of historical events and a selective approach to which is used to create the necessary perception of the present.
    Therefore, the cycle is interesting in factual material. But the interpretation of facts, conclusions - not up to par. Although the dissertation, but analysis is not visible.
  7. Hole puncher
    Hole puncher April 24 2018 10: 10
    +5
    A new generation of propaganda journalists is even worse, these people are lying without looking back, even realizing that they have blinded the hack ...
    1. kalibr
      April 25 2018 07: 34
      +1
      And for your sake of interest, take some article from the newspaper and emphasize the same words with a felt-tip pen - nouns, verbs, adjectives ... You will be surprised how many there are That is, people write, not knowing how to write ...
  8. kalibr
    April 24 2018 10: 29
    +2
    Mordvin 3,
    Nevertheless, somehow strange he died, right? And his accomplices were shot right away, whom ... "and Shepilov who joined them" were removed, who retired ... that is, the entire "cohort of honor" to the dump, right? And then what you also know.
  9. kalibr
    April 24 2018 10: 34
    +2
    Quote: Curious
    Those. nevertheless, the article was preceded by an article explaining that there is propaganda in general, for what tasks it creates and what methods it uses.

    It was full of articles on this topic ...
    1. Curious
      Curious April 24 2018 10: 48
      +2
      "There were a lot of articles on this subject .." Obviously, this amount is not enough so far, as it has not yet outgrown in quality.
      1. kalibr
        April 24 2018 11: 13
        +2
        Maybe, but you can’t write all the time about PR in all its guises ... Still, VO ...
  10. kalibr
    April 24 2018 10: 36
    +2
    Quote: Curious
    Therefore, the cycle is interesting in factual material. But the interpretation of facts, conclusions - not up to par. Although the dissertation, but analysis is not visible.

    We have not yet reached the analysis ...
    1. Curious
      Curious April 24 2018 10: 53
      +4
      "They haven’t reached the analysis yet ..."
      "Jesus told him: if you can believe anything, everything is possible for the believer."
      (The Holy Gospel of Mark 9: 23)
      You use a kind of implicit method of evading a direct answer. Have you not read Herbert Grice?
      1. kalibr
        April 24 2018 11: 12
        +2
        No, I have not read it. Is the answer direct?
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  12. BAI
    BAI April 24 2018 10: 51
    +4
    Instead, it, as before, served as a means of powerful, but ill-conceived and not at all flexible totalitarian propaganda, the purpose of which was only to equip the Soviet people - "advanced builders of a socialist society", "with a correct understanding of events"

    This is the occupation of ANY (both Soviet and bourgeois = democratic) propaganda. Blaming any propaganda on the above is like blaming a predator for eating someone.
    What, now in the 21st century, in the West, all the media, all as one speak the true truth about Russia? And do not engage in the formation of a "correct understanding of current events"?
    Either Ben-Gurion, or Shimon Peres said: "Lying in the public interest is justified."
    Lynn Jonathan's "Yes, Mr. Minister":
    Minister: "Yes, but ... it’s a hoax, a swindle ... dishonest juggling with numbers ... It means blowing dust on the eyes of one’s own people!"
    Secretary: "It means reassuring one’s own people with an official statement, Mr. Minister." - This is about England, the veracity of the media which is widely known, especially with the Skripals case.
    The author would try to blame the Western media for lies.
    1. kalibr
      April 24 2018 11: 10
      +2
      On Western propaganda, you should first read Arthur Poynsonby's book. She is on the web. And the Western media and without me there is someone to blame. Why will I take away bread from people? You also advise me to write about Hyperborea and the empire of Rus ...
      1. BAI
        BAI April 24 2018 11: 11
        +4
        Will you say that Western propaganda is all true and that you need to take an example from it?
        1. kalibr
          April 24 2018 14: 46
          +3
          God forbid! Not all is true, by any means. But the fact that she is more skilled is certain.
          1. BAI
            BAI April 24 2018 15: 25
            +4
            How many centuries of experience did western propaganda have and how many years was Soviet? And the Soviet still successfully opposed the western.
            1. kalibr
              April 24 2018 18: 43
              +3
              That's it! How many centuries of experience ... But "successfully" ... if "successfully", then today we would live in the USSR.
    2. BAI
      BAI April 24 2018 11: 10
      +9
      Besides:
      On the contrary, in 1946-1953, as before the war, as in pre-war peacetime, newspapers were trying to convincingly and bluntly convince Soviet citizens of the advantages of the socialist system over capitalism, and they wrote about it in their pages just like that.

      In the USSR, after the war, cards were canceled earlier than in England. Is this not an advantage of the socialist system?
      The author, on the basis of individual views selected for his own theory, provocatively (with the words "I did not say this") leads the reader to the conclusion that the entire Soviet press is a lie. But this is not so. I assume that soon the author will reach the 60s, and will also blame the press for total lies, including reports about Gagarin’s flight, etc.
    3. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh April 25 2018 17: 18
      +2
      "Shimon Peres said:" Lying in the public interest is justified. "////

      Shimon Peres could easily. But he was swept in the election
      for constant lies "in the public interest",
  13. XII Legion
    XII Legion April 24 2018 11: 10
    +17
    I read the series with interest.
    Press analysis is very instructive and important. It is excellent that the author pays attention to this, because it is a full-fledged source for writing scientific papers.
    Thank you!
  14. kalibr
    April 24 2018 11: 20
    +2
    Quote: Reptiloid
    It is worth remembering what the USSR achieved in 30 years from 1917 to 1947?

    And at what price! Add ... You still write about space ... But only where is this country? And then back then the pensions were also small. My grandmother received 28 rubles ...
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid April 24 2018 11: 49
      +7
      Quote: kalibr
      Quote: Reptiloid
      It is worth remembering what the USSR achieved in 30 years from 1917 to 1947?

      And at what price! Add ... You still write about space ... But only where is this country? And then back then the pensions were also small. My grandmother received 28 rubles ...

      28 rubles then it is saaavsem other than now. And somehow you had everything at home, your mother raised you along with the elders, it seems always in abundance esche to the stepfather. They wrote it yourself, the boys told you that you live godaato. Forgot again? How do you-there ---- remember everything ---- is not yours? See you all tonight!
      1. kalibr
        April 24 2018 14: 16
        +1
        Dmitry! I remember everything, I just can’t write an autobiography for everyone every time. Everything was because my grandfather had a pension of 95 p. But he was an order bearer, a personal pensioner, the former head of the city. Mom worked as the head of the office and received 100 p. and grandmother 28. Plus child support from his father, plus there was a huge garden, giving up to 500 p. over the summer from the sale of flowers and apples. And so they lived. Would there be one grandmother? Or with the same husband ...
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid April 24 2018 15: 54
          +2
          If, yes, if you yourself know ..... Here, apparently, my grandmother either did not work, or did not work much. What did she do? She supported her grandfather, created the conditions for both your mother and you. Her domestic work was included in the work of the whole family and her share in the successes of all. It cannot be otherwise. Again, flowers and apples were more profitable than anything else, and I have no doubt that everything was calculated and it was a conscious choice.
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 April 24 2018 17: 13
          +2
          Quote: kalibr
          Mom worked as the head of the office and received 100 p. and grandmother 28. Plus child support from a father

          And this is about what year you are broadcasting, I would like to know?
          1. kalibr
            April 24 2018 18: 40
            +2
            1962 to 1968 year.
    2. Curious
      Curious April 24 2018 11: 51
      +4
      But where is this country?
      But say, they didn’t read Grice. Maybe Kincha or Van Dyck? Such a replica is a clear avoidance of the topic.
      I have already given an example that if judging football performed by “TsSP Mari El”, then this incomprehensible action is devoid of any logic and from the point of view of a normal person, people should not do this. However, football exists. Therefore, do not distort on the basis of one attempt.
  15. DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer April 24 2018 12: 18
    +6
    In describing the events of foreign reality, Soviet newspapers, like during the Great Patriotic War, painted a rather specific picture of the world, in which the Soviet Union was always in the center of attention of all states. Everything that happens in the USSR aroused lively interest among citizens of the whole world.


    As if it’s different now?
    To listen to state media, the West is rotting and only intrigues the lonely "island of freedom" - Russia, which is headed by the light of all peace-loving politicians ...

    Yes, in the world everyone doesn’t give a damn about the former 7th, and thanks to the efforts of the sun - 11 the world’s economy

    It's time to get used to it - we are far from the center - so, the edge of the world is a field of India, Brazil, Italy, Canada ...
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 3 May 2018 14: 56
      0
      Still, it’s more accurate to operate on PPP GDP. According to which we are in 6th place in the world.
  16. Trapperxnumx
    Trapperxnumx April 24 2018 12: 35
    +1
    Norm article. Thank.
  17. surovts.valery
    surovts.valery April 24 2018 13: 38
    +4
    The newspaper "Pravda" is truly a storehouse of information about the war. For example, a photograph of a tank landing on a BT-7 tank.

    What did the author dislike about this photo? What is bad about him? Why didn’t the issue number and release date indicate? Better yet, a scan from the original with the caption under the photo and the signature of the author of the report or picture (it seems to be displayed in Pravda). For us current. And then I have to guess, the form of the paratroopers for late spring (early autumn)? Huts (huts) in the background: Ukraine, Rostov Region, Krasnodar Territory? At the stern of the tank, fascines are fixed to overcome the swampy areas or for marches during the thaw.
    For enthusiasts studying the history of the Second World War, according to these data it will not be difficult to establish the time and place of the image, the name of the unit and unit of the participants in the events.
    1. kalibr
      April 24 2018 14: 09
      +3
      Here is what the signature says: The Pravda newspaper is truly a storehouse of information about the war. Here, for example, is a photograph of a tank landing on a BT-7 tank. But is it written here that this is a bad photo? It says that this is a good source of information.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 April 24 2018 17: 19
        +4
        Quote: kalibr
        . But is it written here that this is a bad photo?

        The bad. My grandfather was a mechanic in the BT-7, and said that the tank troops did not like them. In general, they did not agree, the landing with the tank.
        1. kalibr
          April 24 2018 18: 39
          +2
          In any case, this is a source of information!
  18. kalibr
    April 24 2018 14: 08
    +1
    Quote: BAI
    In the USSR, after the war, cards were canceled earlier than in England. Is this not an advantage of the socialist system?

    And where is this country now, in which the cards were canceled earlier than in England? And England ... there she is!
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 24 2018 15: 33
      +4
      Quote: kalibr
      And where is this country now, in which the cards were canceled earlier than in England? And England ... there she is!

      I still wildly apologize, but that England is also gone. From an independent player in world politics and a great power, the VBR has actually turned into a vassal of the United States. Yes, and most An empire over which the sun does not set, also no longer - and the loss of territories and population of Britain during its collapse can not be compared with Russia-USSR.
      The last rebellion of independence of the Island Empire was in 1956 - and then it was firmly put in place by its overseas masters.
      1. kalibr
        April 25 2018 17: 52
        +1
        Story did not change there! The economy has not changed! Only the territory was reduced. Everything has changed!
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA April 25 2018 18: 55
          +3
          Quote: kalibr
          Story did not change there! The economy has not changed! Only the territory was reduced.

          Yeah ... nothing at all - from a full-fledged colonial empire, Britain turned into a nominal leader of the Commonwealth and was forced to survive at the expense of its own resources. From the empire there was only a pompous facade, behind which a small building hid. smile
  19. kalibr
    April 24 2018 14: 18
    +1
    Quote: BAI
    I assume that soon the author will reach the 60s, and will also blame the press for total lies, including reports about Gagarin’s flight, etc.

    In the 60s, there were enough lies, but not with respect to Gagarin. It was like this: there are no missiles in Cuba, then Fidel thanks for them, and we have to say that they were ... but not enough!
    1. Sanya Terek
      Sanya Terek April 24 2018 16: 51
      +4
      Quote: kalibr
      It was like this: there are no missiles in Cuba, then Fidel thanks for them, and we have to say that they were ... but not enough!

      But did you need to indicate the number, type, characteristics of missiles, estimated starting positions? If you follow your logic, then in 1994, correspondents of television channels who chopped the truth-womb on the air (from what directions and in what quantity were the formations of the RF Armed Forces moving towards Grozny) did they act correctly and logically?
      And I was ready to kill them.
      1. kalibr
        April 24 2018 18: 33
        +2
        Why specify a type? And the place of basing ... I do not need to ascribe my logic. Following mine to write about it should not be at all.
        1. Sanya Terek
          Sanya Terek April 24 2018 20: 47
          +2
          The lack of coverage of events by officials in person or through the media generates unnecessary rumors and speculation. The presence of rockets was denied until it became an open secret. Then they issued that information, which did not make sense to hide. And the fact that, in such cases, differs from the official position is absurd rumors, and no more.
          Remember how, most recently, in 2014, the actions of "polite people" were covered.
          1. kalibr
            April 24 2018 22: 15
            +1
            All this speaks only about one thing - they did not know how. By the way, about the rumors here at VO there was my article, a chapter from the textbook "PR Design and PR Promotion". Everything was sorted out very well there.
            1. Sanya Terek
              Sanya Terek April 24 2018 23: 09
              +1
              Vyacheslav, it’s not in vain that I wrote about “polite people-2014”. The scheme for issuing information is similar (initially - “ours is not there,” then those events that are no longer necessary to be denied are covered) the difference is only in the speed of its issuance, after all, the XNUMXst century.
              If they didn’t know how, then now they don’t learn.
              1. kalibr
                April 25 2018 07: 29
                +1
                I agree with you and - congratulations, - that you see this strongly speaks in your favor. Reflective reflection of information is the worst thing in the world. here I am completely on your side. So it was in the 30s, so it was in the 90s ...
  20. kalibr
    April 24 2018 15: 05
    +3
    Quote: Trilobite Master
    Surely similar examples can be found.
    The fact that propaganda, based solely on direct lies, and even instantly changing its vector by one hundred and eighty degrees, depending on changes not in objective reality, but as part of the country's leadership, does more harm than good, generating protest and mistrust, understandably. Another thing is incomprehensible - why the hell did she need it at all, and was it really so hopeless with her (propaganda) - not a single bright spot?

    Well you wrote. Very correct. But ... you know, the two of us were looking. And we would be happy to give something positive, since it is also in our interests, it enlivens the exposition, as you yourself understand, allows us to make it more entertaining, dialectical. But ... but it didn’t work out. However, anyone can take it and see for yourself. True, I always give two examples - the editorial of April 5, 1942, is just as an example of the “correct” presentation of historical materials and of June 11, 1944, as ... the right state PR. That is, TWO EXAMPLES found!
    1. Trilobite Master
      Trilobite Master April 24 2018 16: 28
      +5
      Quote: kalibr
      That is, here are two examples found!

      Propaganda is different. For example, take the propaganda of family values, a healthy lifestyle, cleanliness and hygiene, sports, proletarian internationalism, donation, finally. After all, it gave certain results.
      I don’t know, it’s hard for me to talk about this topic, I have never seriously thought about it, much less studied it. I'm just trying to gather my own feelings and understand why I personally, reading the articles in this series, feel as if something is missing, something I cannot find. Some kind of psychological discomfort.
      1. kalibr
        April 24 2018 18: 38
        +3
        What did the propaganda of proletarian internationalism turn out to be necessary for you to tell? On the promotion of a healthy lifestyle and ... alcohol consumption. About the first place in the world in abortion ... That's what topic you will not name - there was positive propaganda. The results were only unsatisfactory.
  21. kalibr
    April 24 2018 18: 46
    +1
    Quote: 27091965i
    and conducting propaganda by different political systems.

    This makes no sense. You do not compare round with salty?
    1. 27091965
      27091965 April 24 2018 19: 52
      +2


      This makes no sense. You do not compare round with salty?


      And you try.

      "In our country, devotion to the emperor and love of the homeland are not a monopoly of those who have capital and a prominent place. No. We even have the simplest person who has neither capital nor a prominent place, the lower he stands, the more he feels devotion emperor and love for the motherland. " 1923 Professor Uueugi, founder of the Toyo Gakai Society.

      This is one of the propaganda societies in Japan, and there were a lot of them. Therefore, it is still worth comparing the methods of propaganda and agitation.
  22. polpot
    polpot April 24 2018 19: 46
    +2
    As my late father said, a big fan of reading newspapers under the Soviet regime, there is no truth in Pravda, and in Izvestia there were two newspapers that my father, who had grown up in 2 years, completely ignored
    1. kalibr
      April 24 2018 22: 22
      +2
      My grandfather, who read them all the time from morning to night, said the same thing. He emphasized inconsistencies and inconsistencies with a blue pencil, which surprised me greatly - what inconsistencies could be in SOVIET NEWSPAPERS. Enlightenment first came in 1968. After the events in Czechoslovakia, there was a “gathering of the Communist Parties of the world”, where their representatives spoke ... and so in Pravda they wrote about some “dryly”, but on the radio they spoke in detail. And I was surprised and angry that many of us do not support. But according to the newspaper it turned out that ... almost everything ... That is, the texts were "combed."
  23. kalibr
    April 24 2018 22: 25
    +1
    Quote: 27091965i
    This makes no sense. You do not compare round with salty?


    And you try.

    "In our country, devotion to the emperor and love of the homeland are not a monopoly of those who have capital and a prominent place. No. We even have the simplest person who has neither capital nor a prominent place, the lower he stands, the more he feels devotion emperor and love for the motherland. " 1923 Professor Uueugi, founder of the Toyo Gakai Society.

    This is one of the propaganda societies in Japan, and there were a lot of them. Therefore, it is still worth comparing the methods of propaganda and agitation.

    People who eat jellyfish and sour beans are not a decree for us!
  24. Alexander Greene
    Alexander Greene April 24 2018 22: 42
    +4
    Shpakovsky from article to article of this series is trying to discredit the Soviet past. I will not talk about the subject of his pseudo-research, I will only say a few words about the methods that he uses.
    Of course, all his methods reflect the worldview of those in power, because he serves them. If he acted honestly and really scientifically, he would have to admit the depravity of his rebirth, the depravity of his parasitism on these topics. He probably understands the harmfulness of his articles, but he cannot admit it, because he will lose the feeder, and therefore he is forced to juggle, distort facts, slander all the time.
    See5 how he does it.
    First, the Shpakovsky excessively sticks out certain negative phenomena convenient for bourgeois propaganda, but insignificant and uncharacteristic for this period of Soviet history. At the same time, it conceals the really significant facts and processes taking place at that moment in the country. This is a one-way approach, called "every bite in a row."
    For example, he writes that “After all that they saw, people's faith in socialism“ cracked ”. But no innovations in order to try to "lay" it at that time, no one came up with ... " And what needed to be invented when in the USSR, after a year and a half, cards were canceled, and after another year and a half, prices for food began to be reduced annually.
    Second, the Shpakovsky considers the phenomenon not in connection with other phenomena, does not take it in development, does not indicate the true causes of its occurrence. This is called the non-dialectic approach.
    For example, he writes "... especially since traveling abroad for Soviet people was again limited to a minimum." But he doesn’t write what it was connected with, he forgets that the West, through Churchill’s declaration of the USSR, declared the Cold War, which was accompanied by various provocations against Soviet citizens traveling abroad.
    Third, he consciously replaces the time of the action of a negative phenomenon. Often, some kind of negative phenomenon that occurs in a certain period of time unreasonably extends to the entire period of Soviet history, including to periods when it did not exist at all. From this, many forum participants are trying to clarify what time he is talking about. And this is called a forgery.
    For example, Shpakovsky writes that “... the simplest and most correct thing for the then Soviet journalist was to“ hesitate along with the party’s line, ”and, accordingly to all his hesitations, as before, promote this very line in life!” The anecdote of the perestroika times strapped on to the Stalin period, when the party did not shy from side to side, as it was under Gorbachev, and Soviet journalists of that time objectively described life, and both party and economic reacted to their criticism. and Soviet bodies.
    Fourth, Shpakovsky deliberately conceals the most important facts of Soviet history, which do not fit into the given suggestible bourgeois ideology. This is an ordinary silence.
    For example, he is surprised that there are many publications in the Soviet press that there was an increased interest abroad in what was happening at that time in the USSR, but is silent about why, and the fact is that abroad after the victory over the fascism of the USSR and Stalin all over the world enjoyed special respect and authority.
    Fifth, he uses words and epithets in the text that contain a negative emotional connotation to those phenomena of Soviet life that contradict or refute his conclusions with the aim of denigrating and nullifying them.
    For example, the country after the war was recovering from the devastation, there was a massive labor upsurge, and Shpakovsky writes to the peak "There is no faith - there is no conviction, there is no conviction - there is no hope, there is no hope - and people give up, and they do poorly even what without much difficulty they could do much better." And this is ordinary speculation on emotions.
    Such principles of presentation of the material are far from objective and scientific, despite the fact that Shpakovsky is trying to convince us that this is serious research.
    Therefore, all of his articles, and not only his, but in fact any article in the bourgeois media, contains all the tricks that are listed above.
    Learning to recognize them is very important for every working person, because only having mastered this, you can really say about yourself, what you think with your own head, and not transmit imposed class-alien ideas.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack April 24 2018 22: 51
      +1
      Quote: Alexander Green
      Learning to recognize them is very important for every working person ...

      Is it possible to "do not"?
      Quote: Alexander Green
      for only having mastered it, you can really say about yourself

      I do not understand - what - they?
      And in general: IMHO, you can even simpler: just do not read the "work" of this author. For example, I do so.
      The statements of this Mr. in the comments (where half is moralizing and the second is narcissism) are personally enough for me to understand what kind of person this is and what kind of “ideas” he can offer, ahem, for discussion.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 April 24 2018 22: 59
        +3
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        The statements of this Mr. in the comments (where half is moralizing and the second is narcissism) are personally enough for me to understand what kind of person this is and what kind of “ideas”

        Roman Batkovich sad Yes, not like that ... request
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack April 24 2018 23: 00
          +3
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Yes, not like that ...

          I have a caliber ... ideas syncrasia. Me’s teeth laughing
      2. Alexander Greene
        Alexander Greene April 24 2018 23: 26
        +4
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Quote: Alexander Green
        Learning to recognize them is very important for every working person ...
        Is it possible to "do not"?

        No, it is absolutely necessary, our myopia in the 60s. cost us socialism.
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Quote: Alexander Green
        for only having mastered it, you can really say about yourself
        I do not understand - what - they?

        It was fixed by "this", i.e. to master the "method of recognizing the methods of Ontisoviet propaganda"
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        The statements of this Mr. in the comments (where half is moralizing and the second is narcissism) are personally enough for me to understand what kind of person this is and what kind of “ideas” he can offer, ahem, for discussion.

        It’s good that you understand, but there are those who believe, I’m writing for them ..
    2. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid April 25 2018 08: 34
      +3
      Alexander, good morning! It was in your comment that I thought about the crack already! Divergent expression. And today we often hear him, though more about family life.
      And the author has this stamp, which was not awarded with confirmation. !!!!!! Your comment has not yet been read yet. Thank you for explaining. It is a pity that you do not write articles!
      1. kalibr
        April 25 2018 17: 39
        +1
        Dmitry, the advice of foreigners from a country about which there are many interesting articles on our website, I’m unlikely to help you get a big salary. Everything that I do is on guard of the interests of the state. Which pays you a salary, and for the majority of people - pensions. Yes, salaries are small, and pensions are even lower. But pays! It makes it possible to earn money ourselves, and in extreme cases, go where it is better. Imagine that now we have another revolution "for equality"? I don’t think you will like what will happen in the country then. In any case, I will be a commissioner, but what will be your fate? People like you will go under the bullets in the first place and ... Russia will simply not survive another "great October"!
        1. Alexander Greene
          Alexander Greene April 25 2018 22: 24
          +1
          Quote: kalibr
          In any case, I’ll be the commissioner,

          Do you want to go to the wall?
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker April 25 2018 22: 32
            0
            Quote: Alexander Green
            Quote: kalibr
            In any case, I’ll be the commissioner,
            Do you want to go to the wall?

            "We will give you parabellum!" (C)
            lol
          2. kalibr
            April 26 2018 09: 17
            +2
            They will put people like you against the wall. And to me in Penza, the attitude is very good.
            1. Curious
              Curious April 26 2018 13: 08
              +1
              "Dmitry, the advice of foreigners from a country about which there are many interesting articles on our website"
              Which country and article do you mean, Commissioner?
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid April 26 2018 20: 03
                +2
                Quote: Curious
                Which country and article do you mean, Commissioner?
                And this question I once asked before .... It was, it was before .....
            2. Alexander Greene
              Alexander Greene April 26 2018 16: 45
              +2
              Quote: kalibr
              And to me in Penza, the attitude is very good.

              Do you think your renegade will be forgiven?
              1. kalibr
                April 26 2018 18: 46
                +1
                Churchill twice changed his party affiliation and nothing. Since 1978, in Penza, I have trained so many people who work everywhere, from the FSB to the protection of the main market, what kind of renegadeness can we talk about? Who cares? It’s interesting, “how to raise the dough” and more, but I taught this very well and gave practical skills. One can say on my TV programs and articles in the local press, not to mention lectures at factories, factories and in hairdressing salons, an entire generation of my countrymen has grown up. Therefore, no matter what flag I fly, I will always have comrades-in-arms and supporters. I never taught anyone the bad. So what are you talking about? And by the way, why do you think that I will ask myself back to the commies, that only they can be the commissioner. So we do not need to impose new revolutions. Understand yourself first ...
                1. Alexander Greene
                  Alexander Greene April 26 2018 19: 48
                  +3
                  Quote: kalibr
                  Churchill twice changed his party affiliation and nothing.

                  What a teacher of History of the CPSU you were, if you confuse party affiliation with ideology. The ideology of all the bourgeois parties in which Churchill was a member was anti-communism.
                  The ideology of the CPSU, in which you were listed, was scientific communism, and when you became a regent, you began to preach cave anti-communism.
                  So, as they say in Odessa: Communism and anti-communism - "these are two big differences"
                  1. kalibr
                    April 26 2018 21: 31
                    +1
                    Strange, but we have all the parties in Russia today bourgeois, it is true that there is the Communist Party, but it is losing the election again. And there, too, the bourgeois is unmeasured, by the way. And what they say in Odessa, of course, you better know. But only for us here in Russia it is all the same.
                    1. Alexander Greene
                      Alexander Greene April 27 2018 00: 19
                      +1
                      Quote: kalibr
                      Strange, but we have all the parties in Russia today bourgeois, it is true that there is the Communist Party, but it is losing the election again. And there, too, the bourgeois is unmeasured, by the way. And what they say in Odessa, of course, you better know. But only for us here in Russia it is all the same.

                      In power structures, all parties are bourgeois in Russia. But if you do not care what to advocate: communism or anti-communism, then engage in scientific communism again. For you, this will be a mitigating circumstance.
                      1. kalibr
                        April 27 2018 11: 33
                        +1
                        And how to "raise the dough" on this? It is necessary to deal with the fact that: A - easy, does not require much labor, B - interesting and brings moral satisfaction, C - well paid, C - allows you to live at your pleasure. Does scientific communism give it? In my opinion, even teenage masturbation is more useful.
                2. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid April 26 2018 20: 11
                  +2
                  Quote: kalibr
                  s? And by the way, why do you think that I will ask myself back to the commies, that only they can be the commissioner. So we do not need to impose new revolutions. Understand yourself first ...
                  And don’t need to think, you need to read the comment above, for me. From it it is clear which commissioner we are talking about. About the communist. Or Bolshevik, in the context of the mention of the Great October Revolution.
                3. Curious
                  Curious April 26 2018 20: 17
                  +3
                  "Understand yourself first ..." Sacramental phrase. And they say that there is no prophet in his own country. Yes, there are prophets! Only no one hears them.
                  1. kalibr
                    April 26 2018 21: 47
                    +1
                    Victor Nikolaevich! You can’t even imagine how funny it all is to me. At one time, I was wondering why it is so easy to buy familiar Communists not even with money, but with stories about money. Or for a place of work for a daughter, granddaughter ... All the principles in your pocket! Now I wonder why they are so stupid. And it’s so easy to manage ... One "fossil" here Soros was bothering me all ... As a result, he helped me sell the rest of the print run ... This one, Green, is a "convict" ... In general, I already got into my book "Public Management Technologies opinion, "as an example. He does not understand that only the density of the information flow is important. Not its contents! Every time I provoke him and he comes across, convicts ... but people have long given a damn about why and why. He thinks that he opens their eyes ... And they only care about a couple of keywords - "the scoop collapsed." ALL! Did he collapse? YES! So all the explanations do not matter. What matters is the stability of their life (and it is!), Bread and circuses. All! It's nice when the theory is so well confirmed by practice! And, most importantly, do not strain, think up - write directly with VO and nothing more! I always said that people are like Chinese little cars. You just need to know which buttons to press on ... So that they turn. And still tell the truth. I’m not hiding anything. Because words will not change anything anyway. Because ... "he collapsed"! Collapsed - the word is negative. That is, lost! Nobody likes to lose. And the losers ... They "suck," as the youth now say.
                    1. Curious
                      Curious April 26 2018 22: 23
                      +3
                      I flatter myself with the hope that I am an example for your research that is not suitable and that getting into the heroes of your books does not threaten me. Not that I was of a bad opinion about your books, but still if I fall victim to literature, then at least at the level of the Booker prize winner or, in extreme cases, the Dublin one.
                      1. kalibr
                        April 27 2018 08: 11
                        +2
                        Yes, Viktor Nikolaevich, you don’t get into the example, because who needs examples from smart people? Examples need 80% to show how to "gut" them. I do not have books on the Booker laureate yet. And the one that, alas, came out not with us, but in Germany. But then they study at them in universities of the whole country, and this is worth something. For comparisons, type in the network "Public Opinion Management Technologies" (Tyumen State University). The textbook will come out ... just look ... And look at mine - "PR-design and PR-promotion" and compare. As the saying goes, there is a difference.
                    2. Alexander Greene
                      Alexander Greene April 27 2018 00: 30
                      +2
                      Quote: kalibr
                      Now I wonder why they are so stupid. And it’s so easy to manage ... One "fossil" here Soros was bothering me all ... As a result, he helped me sell the rest of the print run ... This, Green, is the "exposer" ...

                      No, dear, you are stupid, because you think that with your PR action you can do anything. You understand that people cannot be victims of your deception for a long time.
                      But I have a different task, to explain to people what bourgeois propaganda is and how to fool the working people with it. And I’m writing not to lure someone into their networks, but to make people realize that it’s impossible to live like that and become conscious fighters for their happiness.
                      1. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid April 27 2018 06: 40
                        +2
                        I have already mentioned the amazing naivete of the author. Not for years. But maybe primitivism ...... Or all the arguments are based on fantasies ......
                    3. Alexander Greene
                      Alexander Greene April 27 2018 17: 12
                      +1
                      Quote: kalibr
                      This one, Green, is a “whistleblower" ... Actually, I already got into my book "Public Opinion Management Technologies" as an example. He does not understand that only the density of the information flow is important. Not its contents! Every time I provoke him and he comes across, convicts ... but people have long given a damn about why and why. Thinks that opens their eyes ...

                      You needlessly amuse yourself with the thought that you are manipulating me, I have been familiar with PR and manipulation methods for a long time. Carnegie read in the original, when you have not heard of him yet. I’m using you, and I’m incredibly glad that I’ve found someone like you who so cynically arranges his moral stripteases, undresses in front of everyone, showing his rotten essence.
                      I cannot find the best visual aid for the study of regenerants. All basically build themselves righteous and righteous, and you like this, without shyness, turn your dirty linen inside out. In your example, I show my listeners how a person with a petty-bourgeois consciousness has a roof going down from the opportunity to cut down the "dough". Now they’re calculating people like you at a time, and you won’t be able to do more with PR.
        2. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid April 25 2018 22: 33
          +1
          Vyacheslav Olegovich, well, where does the country of Ukraine come from? Curious You carefully? Ukrainian authors appeared and this is good. It proves that we have one people ---- Russian. And were born in the USSR. There, other foreigners you do not reproach their countries? And then, after all, there were many complaints from the Crimeans about the Ukrainian flag. So where does Green ---- you don’t know. I suppose you prefer to declare me a state spy at this time of day? You know, a good joke could have turned out ---- 2 spies met by chance. Japanese and North Korean ..... On the approach of the spies personally are Mikado and Israel ...........
          Perhaps we differently understand the interests of the state. Taming the past, calls for repentance ----- this is deprivation of national pride, the continuation of the 90s, the continued destruction of the largest state.
    3. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh April 25 2018 17: 53
      +2
      "Fifth, he uses in the text words and epithets containing a negative emotional connotation," ////

      Phew, such a heavy Soviet mothballs blew. stop

      Organized output:
      Based on these five fundamental findings, I propose
      exclude comrade Shpakovsky (who, as we
      proved to us - not a comrade) from the October Revolution, grandchild of Ilyich,
      with the prohibition of wearing the lapel badge of this organization. am
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid April 25 2018 23: 22
        +2
        Warrior, someone's brother! But he had his own honored grandfather, member of the CPSU, director of the RONO, the director of the school who fought Civil, and other relatives, members of the CPSU and their other merits
        . What to do in this case? What to ban?
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh April 26 2018 09: 04
          +2
          Yes, I was joking. Nothing is forbidden. What was, was.
          The 20th century produced many wild experimental schemes for the development of society: communism, fascism, Nazism, and others. These are variants of the evolution of man as a species.
          We tried it - we drove through. Only there were a lot of corpses.
          1. Alexander Greene
            Alexander Greene April 26 2018 16: 49
            +2
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Only there were a lot of corpses.

            And now less than 7 How much has the population of Russia and other former republics declined? And the third MV looms ahead.
            1. kalibr
              April 26 2018 18: 40
              +1
              Who is the war with? With the Martians?
              1. Alexander Greene
                Alexander Greene April 26 2018 19: 53
                +2
                Quote: kalibr
                Who is the war with? With the Martians?

                Why with the Martians? On earth, between nations. The protracted economic crisis has led to political crises in a number of countries, local wars are ongoing in many hot spots, which cost nothing before the World War.
                1. kalibr
                  April 26 2018 21: 51
                  +2
                  Local wars were and will be. But there will be no world war. Why is she? Manufacturers of American Coca-Cola and jeans, Siberian nickel and Chinese underpants will not allow it. Who is this plaguing the mass consumer? What are you? Sleep well ...
                  1. Alexander Greene
                    Alexander Greene April 27 2018 00: 47
                    +1
                    Quote: kalibr
                    Local wars were and will be. But there will be no world war. Why is she? Manufacturers of American Coca-Cola and jeans, Siberian nickel and Chinese underpants will not allow it. Who is this plaguing the mass consumer? What are you? Sleep well ...

                    Well, thanks, reassured, otherwise we are worried about Russia: all of a sudden Europe will fall on it again all together ...
  25. Ragoz
    Ragoz April 25 2018 01: 03
    +4
    Another spitting on the whole of Russian and in particular the Soviet period of the history of Russia. Maybe it’s time to stop printing werewolves, opportunists, and lyso-men in VO materials.
    1. kalibr
      April 25 2018 17: 33
      +1
      You can’t stop! My actions guard the interests of the state. But you do not want a repeat of the revolution, the 37th year, you want to get paid and that without shots outside the window and no one called for barricades? Russia will not survive another revolution for universal equality!
  26. tasha
    tasha April 25 2018 04: 42
    +4
    Vyacheslav Olegovich! Once again, I suggest you use publications in modern media as examples of a "poisoned pen". In order not to go far, ride a science rink on articles with HE. Sometimes you read some regular authors and some aftertaste remains ... Unpleasant ..
    Just kidding, right .. Right, why do we need bazaar squabbles wink

    In other publications? So don’t take it, and fellow journalists are still kicking you around the porch, and we really need your materials on a historical topic. wink
    But what if you do an analysis of the quality of articles in the Ukrainian media? That's where you turn around ... Exactly from the point of view of manipulating the mass consciousness? wink

    And do not forget about the opposite effect! Start reading and that's it .... wink
    1. kalibr
      April 25 2018 07: 26
      +1
      You already wrote about this to me and the idea is very sound. It's nice when people give good advice. What is the problem ... No time. What you are reading now was written back in 2005. Now we are working on other topics. That is, I can’t just drop one thing and start the other. And I don’t read our newspapers, nor do I watch TV. He concluded that they had learned something, but ... still need to learn. Here are two books I wrote for students on how to do it. At least it helps, I hope! And I don’t see any sense in writing about Ukraine. Why kick them when they are already “kicked” by everyone who is not lazy?
  27. kalibr
    April 25 2018 17: 45
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Green
    Shpakovsky from article to article of this series is trying to discredit the Soviet past. I will not talk about the subject of his pseudo-research, I will only say a few words about the methods that he uses.
    Of course, all his methods reflect the worldview of those in power, because he serves them. If he acted honestly and really scientifically, he would have to admit the depravity of his rebirth, the depravity of his parasitism on these topics. He probably understands the harmfulness of his articles, but he cannot admit it, because he will lose the feeder, and therefore he is forced to juggle, distort facts, slander all the time.
    See5 how he does it.
    First, the Shpakovsky excessively sticks out certain negative phenomena convenient for bourgeois propaganda, but insignificant and uncharacteristic for this period of Soviet history. At the same time, it conceals the really significant facts and processes taking place at that moment in the country. This is a one-way approach, called "every bite in a row."
    For example, he writes that “After all that they saw, people's faith in socialism“ cracked ”. But no innovations in order to try to "lay" it at that time, no one came up with ... " And what needed to be invented when in the USSR, after a year and a half, cards were canceled, and after another year and a half, prices for food began to be reduced annually.
    Second, the Shpakovsky considers the phenomenon not in connection with other phenomena, does not take it in development, does not indicate the true causes of its occurrence. This is called the non-dialectic approach.
    For example, he writes "... especially since traveling abroad for Soviet people was again limited to a minimum." But he doesn’t write what it was connected with, he forgets that the West, through Churchill’s declaration of the USSR, declared the Cold War, which was accompanied by various provocations against Soviet citizens traveling abroad.
    Third, he consciously replaces the time of the action of a negative phenomenon. Often, some kind of negative phenomenon that occurs in a certain period of time unreasonably extends to the entire period of Soviet history, including to periods when it did not exist at all. From this, many forum participants are trying to clarify what time he is talking about. And this is called a forgery.
    For example, Shpakovsky writes that “... the simplest and most correct thing for the then Soviet journalist was to“ hesitate along with the party’s line, ”and, accordingly to all his hesitations, as before, promote this very line in life!” The anecdote of the perestroika times strapped on to the Stalin period, when the party did not shy from side to side, as it was under Gorbachev, and Soviet journalists of that time objectively described life, and both party and economic reacted to their criticism. and Soviet bodies.
    Fourth, Shpakovsky deliberately conceals the most important facts of Soviet history, which do not fit into the given suggestible bourgeois ideology. This is an ordinary silence.
    For example, he is surprised that there are many publications in the Soviet press that there was an increased interest abroad in what was happening at that time in the USSR, but is silent about why, and the fact is that abroad after the victory over the fascism of the USSR and Stalin all over the world enjoyed special respect and authority.
    Fifth, he uses words and epithets in the text that contain a negative emotional connotation to those phenomena of Soviet life that contradict or refute his conclusions with the aim of denigrating and nullifying them.
    For example, the country after the war was recovering from the devastation, there was a massive labor upsurge, and Shpakovsky writes to the peak "There is no faith - there is no conviction, there is no conviction - there is no hope, there is no hope - and people give up, and they do poorly even what without much difficulty they could do much better." And this is ordinary speculation on emotions.
    Such principles of presentation of the material are far from objective and scientific, despite the fact that Shpakovsky is trying to convince us that this is serious research.
    Therefore, all of his articles, and not only his, but in fact any article in the bourgeois media, contains all the tricks that are listed above.
    Learning to recognize them is very important for every working person, because only having mastered this, you can really say about yourself, what you think with your own head, and not transmit imposed class-alien ideas.

    Great! But why then did the “scoop” fall apart?
    1. Alexander Greene
      Alexander Greene April 26 2018 16: 51
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      Quote: kalibr
      But why then did the “scoop” fall apart?

      I have answered this question repeatedly, but you still can’t remember anything.
      1. kalibr
        April 26 2018 18: 38
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        So you explain poorly ...
        1. Alexander Greene
          Alexander Greene April 26 2018 19: 59
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          Quote: kalibr
          So you explain poorly ...

          Well, I'll try again.
          Socialism in the USSR was only 74 years old. By historical standards, a miserable period, of which the Soviet people had to fight and rebuild a destroyed country for 16 years, and for 35 years they warped, distorted, and destroyed it.
          Here is what the dissident, Alexander Zinoviev, said about this: “A real communist society existed for too short a time, and in extremely unfavorable conditions to draw definitive conclusions about its failure.”
          Communism has not won, but it is not buried. It is impossible to bury the ideas of goodness and justice, as well as stopping time. And I believe that new people will come who will draw the proper conclusions from our mistakes and come to the victory of communism. The current development of events in the world - ongoing systemic economic crises and the reluctance of people to live according to the laws of capitalism - that is the guarantee.
  28. kalibr
    April 26 2018 09: 23
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    Quote: Reptiloid
    calls for repentance ----- this is a deprivation of national pride

    Dmitry! At least one, find my call to repentance. What to repent of? History cannot be changed, but it was bloody at all. And why is it for me to record you as spies? That you ascribe everything to me something, then forgetfulness, then some kind of dodging, then ... suspicions of you in espionage. Do not do this, Dmitry. Your thoughts rush about like a flea in the port. You have to be more consistent. Answer what they ask, and not a question to a question. Do not think for others. Do not drag on to one topic another. That is, do not write about the US Indians when it comes to Russia. Have you agreed?
  29. kalibr
    April 26 2018 22: 02
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    Quote: Alexander Green
    Communism has not won, but it is not buried. It is impossible to bury the ideas of goodness and justice, as well as stopping time. And I believe that new people will come who will draw the proper conclusions from our mistakes and come to the victory of communism. The current development of events in the world - ongoing systemic economic crises and the reluctance of people to live according to the laws of capitalism - that is the guarantee.

    Great! I am for"!!! But ... I do not see these new people. I cook them myself and they somehow do not want the victory of communism. I don’t even have time to open my mouth ... how they suck me. And soon the very thought of what you wrote here will be considered as a disease. You know, you still need to order my book "PR-promotion and PR-design." It is simply interestingly written, and it tells, "how to raise the dough," and in a very decent way. Without shots, without universal equality, right now, with what you have. You are too late to rush about, of course. But youth is just right. And having tasted all this ... she will not want to change anything. Life is short, and I propose a very interesting life option. Who will refuse it?
    1. Alexander Greene
      Alexander Greene April 27 2018 00: 44
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      Quote: kalibr
      I do not see these new people. I cook them myself and they somehow do not want the victory of communism. I don’t even have time to open my mouth ... how they suck me.

      You and I have different audiences, I, unlike you, communicate with young workers, so they don’t listen to my students like your students. The class consciousness is already ripening among them, the future lies with them, and not with your victims of the USE.
      And PR-design is unnecessary for me and my listeners too. They will conquer the whole world and cancel the money.
  30. kalibr
    April 26 2018 22: 13
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    Quote: Reptiloid
    Curious You carefully?

    Curiosity - smart!
    1. Curious
      Curious April 27 2018 00: 32
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      Here I fully share your opinion. But I remember the "Song of the Fox Alice and the Cat Basilio".
  31. kalibr
    April 26 2018 22: 15
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    Quote: Reptiloid
    About the communist. Or Bolshevik, in the context of the mention of the Great October Revolution.

    Oh, Dima, Dima, that is Dmitry, sorry! It’s so good that you are present on the site! This is just one thing I can say ...
  32. kalibr
    April 27 2018 08: 00
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    Quote: Alexander Green
    with young workers

    It is more correct to say with cannon fodder, which will not decide anything itself, but will rot in the trenches. And university graduates will be in control ... And again ... the class consciousness is ripening ... And how much will it ripen? And now, while it will mature, they will have children, a summer house, a car, and we will give them "dough" ... and that’s it! I have before my eyes the "young Communists" of Penza who studied with my daughter. Everyone was given the dough. They are no longer communists! The problem for workers is that they work 8 hours and they do not have time for systematic education. And again the Trotsky, Nakhamkinsons, Ulyanovs ... who will become the heads ... then again ... and "the loot will defeat the good." But it does not play a paper or electronic role.
    1. Alexander Greene
      Alexander Greene April 27 2018 16: 43
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      Quote: kalibr
      It’s more correct to say with cannon fodder,

      No, this is not cannon fodder, these are conscious fighters for the work of the working class, they are now studying Marxist theory in order to get rid of parasites with their own hands. And how much they hate them ... would you listen to their stories from life.
      And such a process is now going on in all the former republics of the USSR, it is called the Bolshevization of the labor movement, this process is accelerating, because it is inextricably linked with another accelerating process - the proletarization of the working class.
    2. Alexander Greene
      Alexander Greene April 27 2018 16: 59
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      Quote: kalibr
      And now, while it will mature, they will have children, a summer house, a car, and we will give them "dough" ... and that’s it!

      Firstly, the “dough”, as you figuratively put it, will not be enough for everyone, so you can feed the top, but their workers, along with the owners, are rolling in the trash can. Secondly, your owners are so greedy that even relying on salaries is cut, delayed, and you want them to give dough, but they will strangle themselves for a penny.
      The workers are not in vain on strike, and they will soon realize that under capitalism this always happens, and that only under socialism will they have a decent salary and confidence in the future.
  33. kalibr
    April 27 2018 08: 13
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    Quote: Reptiloid
    I have already mentioned the amazing naivete of the author. Not for years.

    I appreciate your judgment, Dmitry. Such a deep insight into the essence of things ... I'm just amazed, which you can not meet on the Internet.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid April 27 2018 16: 04
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      Vyacheslav Olegovich! I'm quite serious, after all. It's just that it's wrong ----- to explain this topic here, and even more so to you.
    2. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid April 28 2018 03: 14
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      Quote: kalibr
      Quote: Reptiloid
      I have already mentioned the amazing naivete of the author. Not for years.

      I appreciate your judgment, Dmitry. Such a deep insight into the essence of things ... I'm just amazed, which you can not meet on the Internet.

      Somehow I don’t really want simple, well, very simple, to explain. I’ll try. In an article about an Austrian economist, your comment that businessmen in gratitude invite you to dine at a restaurant, and YOU have to explain that you don’t even eat other people's money, disgusting, or worse (???? forgotten). Either this is pure fantasy , or, if true ----- complete stupidity, and after such detailed explanations about the quality of the food he offered, the businessman will be slightly surprised, but he will be slightly unpleasant, so he eats himself and offers muck or worse that !!!!!!!! ! ??????? Why would he? So I say that you are very naive, telling such stories, but do you really see anything? Is it really necessary to explain each time?
  34. kalibr
    April 27 2018 08: 15
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    Quote: Alexander Green
    No, dear, you are stupid, because you think that with your PR action you can do anything. You understand that people cannot be victims of your deception for a long time.

    One - for a long time they can’t! Many walking one after another - easy! You just need a professional to do it. A new store has opened ... How to cheaply lure people "without cheating"? But it’s simple - to put an orchestra at the entrance and let it play something rhythmic, back and forth, and she and I are pleased. In the tempo rhythm you yourself understand what ... And people will automatically go to the sound, because air vibrations will cause their bodies to vibrate too ... The brain will give out a portion of endomorphins ... And it turned out to be near the store - well, new, if not come in? And what is the deception? And then we’ll come up with something else ... that’s how people will come to us constantly!
    1. Monarchist
      Monarchist April 28 2018 08: 42
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      V. O. You are right that there are many ways to "fool our brother." Recall MMM1 and MMM2
  35. Monarchist
    Monarchist April 28 2018 08: 49
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    Quote: Alexander Green
    Quote: kalibr
    It’s more correct to say with cannon fodder,

    No, this is not cannon fodder, these are conscious fighters for the work of the working class, they are now studying Marxist theory in order to get rid of parasites with their own hands. And how much they hate them ... would you listen to their stories from life.
    And such a process is now going on in all the former republics of the USSR, it is called the Bolshevization of the labor movement, this process is accelerating, because it is inextricably linked with another accelerating process - the proletarization of the working class.

    "Bolshevization of the labor movement" is just a dream. While we have "Papa Zyu" sunken brains "smart" and does everything so that the left does not unite
    1. Alexander Greene
      Alexander Greene April 28 2018 12: 17
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      Quote: Monarchist
      "Bolshevization of the labor movement" is just a dream. While we have "Papa Zyu" sunken brains "smart" and does everything so that the left does not unite

      Zyuganov is not a Bolshevik or even a communist; he is rather a liberal democrat. For associations, check out the link
      http: /bolshevick.org
  36. Monarchist
    Monarchist April 28 2018 08: 52
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    Quote: kalibr
    Quote: Reptiloid
    I have already mentioned the amazing naivete of the author. Not for years.

    I appreciate your judgment, Dmitry. Such a deep insight into the essence of things ... I'm just amazed, which you can not meet on the Internet.

    V.O., the Internet is the reality of today, and what and who writes there ..