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Replacing Russian RD-180 created? In the United States introduced the rocket engine BE-4

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The company Blue Origin introduced the rocket engine BE-4 during the space symposium in the American Colorado Springs, reports RIA News.




According to the developers, "after passing the fire tests, the BE-4 was rebuilt and tested many times again." The forum was presented the current version - SN 103.



It is reported that the US "is planning to use the BE-4 engine on a Vulcan booster, which is being developed as a replacement for Atlas V with the Russian RD-180." In the future, the American engines will be installed on the new carriers of the heavy New Glenn class developed by Blue Origin.



Recall that in the 1997 year, the Russian Federation and the United States concluded an agreement on the supply of the X-NUMX engine RD-101. Then, due to the deterioration of relations between the countries, US lawmakers imposed a ban on the use of RD-180 after 180, however, then they abolished it. Immediately after this, the ULA consortium, at the request of the US Department of Defense, ordered additional 2019 RD-20 engines from NPO Energomash.
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  1. turbris
    turbris April 19 2018 09: 41
    +23
    Well, did anyone doubt that the USA would create its own engine? Let's see how it will show itself in a real launch.
    1. Dimontius
      Dimontius April 19 2018 09: 46
      +5
      There is no doubt that it will work normally ... apparently that's why the deliveries of the rd-180 do not stop .. otherwise the move would have been somehow bare or something. what
      1. YELLOWSTONE
        YELLOWSTONE April 19 2018 11: 32
        +2
        they buy and deliver to partners because it has not yet been completed, it is methane with a thrust of almost 2 times less, and there are doubts
        1. NIKNN
          NIKNN April 19 2018 12: 14
          +4
          Quote: YELLOWSTONE
          they buy and deliver to partners because it has not yet been completed, it is methane with a thrust of almost 2 times less, and there are doubts

          And from somewhere the information popped up in my head that people on this device can’t be sent until it reaches some sort of (such as MTBF) safe start-up ratio, well, at least we have this ...
          1. Normal ok
            Normal ok April 19 2018 16: 20
            0
            Quote: NIKNN
            safe start factor, well, we have at least ...

            safe "like ours"? lol wassat laughing
            1. NIKNN
              NIKNN April 19 2018 16: 37
              +4
              Quote: Normal ok
              safe "like ours"?

              Read carefully regarding the launch of people, and oddly enough. Yes, we have much less victims when launching the spacecraft than in the US ...
          2. Arakius
            Arakius April 19 2018 17: 09
            +3
            Quote: NIKNN
            And from somewhere the information popped up in my head that people on this device can’t be sent until it reaches some sort of (such as MTBF) safe start-up ratio, well, at least we have this ...

            As far as I know, they don't plan to carry people on it (on the Vulkan rocket) yet. The United States sends people to space only to the ISS, and the SpaceX has already been seized by SpaceX with its Dragon2
            1. NIKNN
              NIKNN April 19 2018 17: 23
              0
              Quote: Arakius
              As far as I know, they don't plan to carry people on it (on the Vulkan rocket) yet.

              What I’m talking about, it’s necessary to fly there decently to allow human flights, but again I don’t know how it is in the states ...
    2. 210ox
      210ox April 19 2018 09: 48
      +5
      These are not Chinese. Amerzians will be able to copy clearly.
      Quote: turbris
      Well, did anyone doubt that the USA would create its own engine? Let's see how it will show itself in a real launch.
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            1. just exp
              just exp April 19 2018 10: 24
              +30
              jigsaw, tell me how mattresses built a nuclear waste disposal plant.
              Show me not an American TV, and tell me why mattresses themselves prefer Japanese cars.
              tell us about the fact that already mattressed soldiers prefer the Russian rifleman and begin to copy it.
              tell us dark, don't be shy.
              and you carcass did not answer the question - and from whom did you copy the Mig-25?
              1. bulvas
                bulvas April 19 2018 10: 39
                +1
                Quote: 210ox
                These are not Chinese. Amerzians will be able to copy clearly.


                Actually, this is a completely different engine, runs on methane, and our RD-180 - on kerosene
                1. YELLOWSTONE
                  YELLOWSTONE April 19 2018 11: 38
                  0
                  it’s good that it’s not on hydrogen sulfide steam. crying
              2. vik669
                vik669 April 19 2018 13: 04
                +4
                But it’s not with you — I know Mig-25 as an engineer of the MAP of the USSR — they urgently did it against the Valkyries and did it in such a country where if they said do it, they did it and not on the "clave" because they could even knock on the head!
                MiG-25 appeared too late? https://topwar.ru/17651-mig-25-poyavilsya-slishko
                m-pozdno.html
            2. 210ox
              210ox April 19 2018 10: 34
              +7
              What stupid is this plus also a plus?
              1. just exp
                just exp April 19 2018 11: 30
                +7
                it’s kakly, they have a division of Internet propagandists, they rummage through all sites, including this one.
                1. tap
                  tap April 19 2018 11: 41
                  +6
                  What is he promoting here? What is he propagandon? So it is and so everyone immediately understood
                  1. Lena Petrova
                    Lena Petrova April 19 2018 11: 58
                    +5
                    What Amerika is with them. There are not many other achievements.
                  2. NIKNN
                    NIKNN April 19 2018 12: 19
                    +2
                    Quote: zapfen
                    What is he promoting here? What is he propagandon? So it is and so everyone immediately understood

                    Why did you attack? The propagandon wants to eat a man, and he’s ready for anything, they will offer a cracker with butter to his mother as a pledge ...
            3. Hammerlock
              Hammerlock April 19 2018 11: 44
              +10
              trampoline liberal
              it seems your ceiling is very low. Often hit the head! laughing
              1. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky April 19 2018 12: 05
                +3
                Quote: Hammerlock
                trampoline liberal
                it seems your ceiling is very low. Often hit the head! laughing

                In addition, he also likes this process of bouncing off his head. If you lower the ceiling by another 10-15 cm, it will be killed by the damn mother in the “glory of the USA”, but somehow it didn’t work out with the “glory” that was independent.
            4. sogdy
              sogdy April 19 2018 12: 28
              +3
              Quote: Liberal on a trampoline
              "Mattresses", a fool are able to build everything. Unlike the Russian Federation. Therefore, sit quietly and streamline.

              Domestic calculators and their foreign counterparts. History in pictures
              http://www.phantom.sannata.ru/konkurs/2008/kt0829
              .shtml

              Your link comes from the very first arithmometer - Felix is ​​called Odner. Oh yes, Felix is ​​Russian. And Odner is just a five-digit abbot, not even a lever.
              So I wonder who draws your fakes?
              We worked on Sparks when Feynman put Mercedes together - did you see the Mercedes? 22-bit, electro-mechanical, a symbol of the complete flight of thought in "Snail on the slope." All the institute dumps were littered with Mercedes.
            5. Nik Torohov
              Nik Torohov April 19 2018 18: 43
              +1
              Your dad streamlined your copy-paste with a fluffy brazier)) and acre of enthusiasm you did not get anything from your dad))
          2. pogon
            pogon April 19 2018 11: 12
            +4
            Quote: just explo
            they are able to build something

            Is the rd-180 russian? you just collect it, you won the tender, because rabsila is cheap, but I think the Americans will not spare you the second time.
            1. bulvas
              bulvas April 19 2018 11: 20
              +9
              Quote: pogon
              Quote: just explo
              they are able to build something

              Is the rd-180 russian? you just collect it, you won the tender, because rabsila is cheap, but I think the Americans will not spare you the second time.


              Perhaps the Americans developed it?

              Does CNN tell you this, or does the American school teach you that?
              1. pogon
                pogon April 19 2018 11: 25
                +1
                Quote: bulvas
                CNN reports

                I understand that it’s difficult for you to read, but I’ll help, probably the Internet gives you a little bit:
                RD-180 In 2009, it was an export engine. All patents and full rights to the RD-180 belonged to the Space Systems Division of General Dynamics (USA), which in the early 1990s were bought by Lockheed Martin for use on Atlas disposable media (Atlas III and Atlas V).
                1. just exp
                  just exp April 19 2018 11: 32
                  +8
                  mdya, the State Department has forgotten how to read.
                  RD-180 In 2009, it was an export engine. All patents and full rights on RD-180 belonged to the Space Systems Division General Dynamics (USA), which in the early 1990s were purchased by Lockheed Martin for use on Atlas disposable media (Atlas III and Atlas V).

                  Do you even know what people are developing, not patents and rights? where do the Russian people.
                  and the mattresses just gave money to these people. therefore, they have rights with patents.
                2. YELLOWSTONE
                  YELLOWSTONE April 19 2018 11: 36
                  +2
                  and details to this half RD-170 from where they bring? laughing
                  from the USA or from China? laughing
                  1. bulvas
                    bulvas April 19 2018 11: 53
                    +1
                    Quote: pogon
                    RD-180 In 2009, it was an export engine. All patents and full rights to the RD-180 belonged to the Space Systems Division of General Dynamics (USA), which in the early 1990s were bought by Lockheed Martin for use on Atlas disposable media (Atlas III and Atlas V).


                    Why does it have a Russian name?
                    The patent may have been bought, but it is designed and manufactured in Russia

                    Or, is it right to sell patents only for American companies, and if Russia sells, then "the Americans regretted"?
                    1. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE April 19 2018 12: 05
                      +1
                      Americans do not sell patents, they tear grandmothers for their use, licenses only sometimes
                      1. bulvas
                        bulvas April 19 2018 12: 07
                        0
                        Quote: YELLOWSTONE
                        Americans do not sell patents, they tear grandmothers for their use, licenses only sometimes


                        and we Americans - finished products, in metal
                    2. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE April 19 2018 12: 21
                      0
                      and with a patent on them,
                      usually if they redeem it then do it yourself lol
                    3. vik669
                      vik669 April 19 2018 12: 43
                      +4
                      RD-170 and RD-180 developed by the USSR and they sold RD-180 (half of RD-170) with documentation, but for many many years they cannot even copy it because they are not Chinese!
                      Why can't lunar swindlers make RD-180? Interview with Academician Boris Katorgin https://cont.ws/@oav/92405
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                3. Dead duck
                  Dead duck April 19 2018 12: 26
                  +4
                  Quote: pogon
                  I understand that it’s difficult for you to read, but I’ll help, probably the Internet will give you a little bit

                  Son, uzbagoyya! ... and stop talking nonsense.
                  Already bothered a hundred times to paint what and how.
                  At least you should study your laws for a start (if you are, of course, from a mattress room).
                  And the site has more than once written on this topic.
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                    1. Dead duck
                      Dead duck April 20 2018 19: 57
                      +3
                      Quote: pogon
                      What did they write? that they took pity on you and gave you some money, and you and your legs on the table?

                      useless to communicate with down ...
                      read on the forum ...
                      or a Chukchi writer, not a reader? ...
                      do you know your laws? ...
                4. rbt
                  rbt April 20 2018 14: 50
                  0
                  I apologize if the amers have patents and rights to rd180, then why do they build their analog rd180. do they have patents for the original?
                5. rbt
                  rbt April 20 2018 14: 51
                  +1
                  I apologize if the amers have patents and rights to rd180, then why do they build their analog rd180. do they have patents for the original?
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              2. Hammerlock
                Hammerlock April 19 2018 11: 46
                +1
                he knows that from reliable sources[i] [/ i] in social networks
            2. tagil
              tagil April 19 2018 11: 50
              +5
              Exceptional, and when did we ask someone to pity us? Snot in the face of the face, if you can only smear it, you can smear it five heels and howl in a voice offended. US FOR WHAT !!!!!!!! FOR your meanness.
            3. meandr51
              meandr51 April 19 2018 11: 58
              +2
              Mattresses never spared anyone. If you do something, then it’s profitable.
          3. vik669
            vik669 April 19 2018 12: 30
            0
            Buy a mirror and ask I advise as an engineer of the MAP USSR!
          4. Evgeny Goncharov
            Evgeny Goncharov April 19 2018 16: 18
            0
            C A-5 Vigilante.
            1. Alf
              Alf April 19 2018 21: 15
              0
              Quote: Evgeny Goncharov
              C A-5 Vigilante.

              What's wrong with Wiglent?
        2. Setrac
          Setrac April 19 2018 10: 26
          +8
          Quote: Liberal on a trampoline
          Russia is a country of copy paste, even Dneproges is not able to build on its own

          Your muddy stream of consciousness is incomprehensible to an adequate person
        3. Setrac
          Setrac April 19 2018 10: 28
          +5
          Quote: Liberal on a trampoline
          Russia is a country of copy paste, even Dneproges is not able to build on its own

          Dneproges is Ukraine, what does Russia have to do with it? Go to school to unlearn before talking to adults.
          1. ventel
            ventel April 19 2018 11: 32
            0
            Gas, STZ, CTZ what do you think who designed it. This is to the fact that some on the site believe that the Americans do not know what.
            1. Hammerlock
              Hammerlock April 19 2018 11: 48
              +1
              Gas, STZ, ChTZ, who do you think designed

              exclusively seafarers laughing
              1. ventel
                ventel April 19 2018 12: 03
                0
                I understand from your answer that all these plants were built by Ukrainians as well as half of Ukrainians in the Russian stage.
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac April 19 2018 12: 13
                  0
                  Quote: ventel
                  I understand from your answer that all these plants were built by Ukrainians as well as half of Ukrainians in the Russian stage.

                  Alla, where is the stage, and where are the plants?
                  1. ventel
                    ventel April 19 2018 12: 17
                    0
                    And where is the school to which you want to send the opponent if you yourself do not know the story.
                    1. Setrac
                      Setrac April 19 2018 12: 20
                      0
                      Quote: ventel
                      And where is the school to which you want to send the opponent if you yourself do not know the story.

                      The story of what? The whereabouts of the Dnieper? Or the story of the rejection of Ukraine?
                      1. ventel
                        ventel April 19 2018 12: 28
                        0
                        The history of Gaza, STZ, ChTZ or everything rests against you in Ukraine. So why aren’t you writing that Belarus also rejected someone. You are probably one of those who have imperial manners.
                  2. vik669
                    vik669 April 19 2018 12: 32
                    0
                    So they are horses and no more ...!
                2. sogdy
                  sogdy April 19 2018 12: 40
                  0
                  Rather, your twist did not understand the thought.
                3. vik669
                  vik669 April 19 2018 13: 27
                  0
                  Well, if you dug up the sea that it’s worth building a plant or jumping on the stage or not on the estadan (who doesn’t ride that Muscovite)!
                  1. ventel
                    ventel April 19 2018 13: 33
                    0
                    I’m wondering if you take any stupidity that will be shown on TV for the truth. Although if you look at the Russian politicum then what to expect tram pumps.
        4. Vanek
          Vanek April 19 2018 10: 44
          +4
          Quote: Liberal on a trampoline
          Russia is a country of copy-paste


          Go on (unprintable word)!
          1. Hammerlock
            Hammerlock April 19 2018 12: 00
            +2
            Go on (unprintable word)!

            you need to do this smiley
        5. figwam
          figwam April 19 2018 11: 58
          +3
          Well done Yankees, caught up with our engines of the 80s of the last century.)))
        6. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch April 19 2018 12: 00
          +1
          Well, yes, a liberal with a trampoline knows better. By the way, didn’t they fly to France from a trampoline?
      2. donavi49
        donavi49 April 19 2018 10: 47
        +1
        This is an innovative methane engine that Kerosinki (including Maskovskie) will steal from the market.
        1. YELLOWSTONE
          YELLOWSTONE April 19 2018 11: 40
          +1
          and hydrogen? probably that's why the shuttles stopped flying laughing
        2. tap
          tap April 19 2018 11: 44
          +4
          Unusually a lot of avniuk today. Spring is visible. Dung and flies woke up
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        3. bulvas
          bulvas April 19 2018 11: 59
          0
          Quote: donavi49
          This is an innovative methane engine that Kerosinki (including Maskovskie) will steal from the market.


          When you’ll "go back" (Selyuk stank), then you will jump, dreamer

          In the meantime, look here:


          "go back"
          Selyuk, like you never jump
          1. Evgeny Goncharov
            Evgeny Goncharov April 19 2018 16: 16
            +1
            just a picture? Was there not enough money for the cartoon this time?
            1. bulvas
              bulvas April 19 2018 19: 21
              0
              Quote: Evgeny Goncharov
              just a picture? Was there not enough money for the cartoon this time?


              Well, why, where necessary, there are presentations and calculations, and technical specifications and experimental results

              If interested - you can read it, it is painted in chronological order:

              https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ядерная_энергодвига
              megawatt_class_setting


              By the way, a private company is also involved in this:
              In February, the director general of S7 space, Sergey Sopov, said that in the Orbital Cosmodrome project, it was planned to use a space tug with a megawatt-class nuclear propulsion system. In October 2018, it is planned to develop proposals to accelerate the development of the nuclear power project
              At the end of the month, work was carried out on the manufacture and surface testing, installation and the Transport and Energy Module
          2. pogon
            pogon April 20 2018 15: 38
            0
            Is it with a trampoline or with telekinesis?
      3. Vlad.by
        Vlad.by April 19 2018 13: 31
        0
        This is not a copy. Could not, alas.
        The weight of the BE4 engine “for some reason” turned out to be significantly higher than that of the RD-180, and the thrust was significantly lower. Accordingly, the weight return of a rocket with BE4 is much lower. I do not understand why BE4 is classified as a "replacement" of the RD-180.
        And for how many flights BE4 is enough - only Brahma knows.
        I wouldn’t risk flying into space on a rocket with a “secondary” BE4.
    3. Yrec
      Yrec April 19 2018 09: 48
      0
      For a rocket engine to go into series, it takes years of testing and refinement. By that time, the RD-180 is completely out of date. Arrived mattresses with development.
      1. just exp
        just exp April 19 2018 10: 12
        +8
        have been experiencing it for a long time.
        because mattresses do not have a roguzin, so they work, and not joke about a trampoline instead of work.
      2. donavi49
        donavi49 April 19 2018 10: 51
        +6
        Not. I wrote in a previous topic:
        2 rockets fly on Russian engines - Atlas from ULA (Boeing + Lockheed) and half-dead Antares from Orbital.

        Even if you close the taxi. That stock is not enough until NewGlen all 1,5-2 year. Volcano - it’s not clear there, ULA seems to be pushing the deadlines and even promises to postpone the first flight for a year (already in the 2019 test mission).

        They have a Mask - which today planted the last stage of the BlockNUMX, after successfully launching a telescope to search for exoplanets. There will be no more such archaic from Mask. The next missile is BlockNUMX with significant improvements. If federal contracts (on which ULA lobbyists sit tightly) are dumped on him, then Musk will send Tesla Putin a gift.

        They have a safety option in the form of Deltas / Minotaurs. They screwed a faucet (for dear). But if there are no others, then on the expensive you can ...
        1. YELLOWSTONE
          YELLOWSTONE April 19 2018 11: 42
          +1
          Why then show everyone the BE-4?
        2. sogdy
          sogdy April 19 2018 13: 01
          0
          I'm sorry. but apart from the freaks of Mask, everything else is 10 years old.
          And still Atlas and Antares are dying - and they cannot die. And still, everyone else takes off on the verge of a foul - and still _without the licenses_ that Atlas and Antares have.
          Oh yeah, methane and methylene in jet engines is where the Fau started. A very interesting result - the oxidation of methane led to the release of acetate sequences, for example, to Cyclone-B.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 April 19 2018 16: 48
            +1
            Methane fuel for LRE is more profitable, cheaper in production and storage, as well as minimal loss of fuel during refueling, storage, in contrast to liquid hydrogen.
            1. sogdy
              sogdy April 20 2018 06: 51
              0
              Quote: sogdy
              oxidation of methane led to the release of acetate sequences, for example, to Cyclone-B.
            2. YELLOWSTONE
              YELLOWSTONE April 21 2018 04: 56
              0
              but unlike kerosene not at launch smile
    4. RASKAT
      RASKAT April 19 2018 09: 49
      +3
      I agree, with the Americans everything is going according to plan. From the 2019 of the year, tests will begin, I think from the 2022-23 of the year we will completely abandon our engines, possibly earlier.
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov April 19 2018 09: 50
        +4
        Interestingly, they will also launch their cosmonauts on these engines ..?
        1. spirit
          spirit April 19 2018 09: 59
          +1
          No, there other companies are working on it, in Russia, it seems, they also don’t carry astronauts in cargo boxes hi
          1. YELLOWSTONE
            YELLOWSTONE April 19 2018 11: 44
            +2
            what kind of company? engines attach to rockets, not warped
        2. donavi49
          donavi49 April 19 2018 10: 57
          +4
          It depends on what.

          They have this year the Starliner flies to the ISS. The first with nishtyak different - without a crew. Carrier Atlas. In the future Volcano. But there it is necessary to certify the Volcano for people - it should be a fairly extensive launch program without people.

          Next Dragon2 flies on FalconBlock5. Also with hotels from Mask without people.

          After these missions will be manned. The question is when? The Boeing announced for November-December a manned Starliner - subject to the perfect passage of the program by a summer ship. Musk transferred his manned to the ISS in 2019.

          Further more. In 20, NewGlen will fly from Bezos. Then New Shepard will fly without people. And then with people. New Shepard is the most advanced and cheapest orbiting spacecraft for today. One of the goals is to make space truly accessible. Not millions of dollars and half a year of preparation, but tens of thousands and weeks of preparation per ticket.

          Following Orion flies on the most expensive and most expensive SLS rocket in history. But Orion is not an orbiting spacecraft, but an apparatus for the moon, Mars, asteroids, etc.
          1. YELLOWSTONE
            YELLOWSTONE April 19 2018 11: 45
            +2
            something all without people and without people ...
          2. sogdy
            sogdy April 19 2018 13: 22
            0
            Quote: donavi49
            Further more. In 20, NewGlen will fly from Bezos. Then New Shepard will fly without people. And then with people. New Shepard is the most advanced and cheapest orbiting spacecraft for today. One of the goals is to make space truly accessible. Not millions of dollars and half a year of preparation, but tens of thousands and weeks of preparation per ticket.
            Following Orion flies on the most expensive and most expensive SLS rocket in history. But Orion is not an orbiting spacecraft, but an apparatus for the moon, Mars, asteroids, etc.

            Let me remind you of the old book, "pre-mythical" - "Live with lightning." This is the fate of any science and technology in the United States. And the current mythical myths cause extreme distrust. Taki we have something to show, but the United States did not. Those firecrackers that "fool" all sorts of strange personalities without history do not have _engines_, i.e. not actually adjustable. Copypaster Mask is perverted with 60s technology. Again, without prehistory.
            Therefore, even the Franks do not "compete" with the United States.
      2. donavi49
        donavi49 April 19 2018 10: 52
        0
        ULA promises Volcano to launch before the end of 2019 year. Bezos in 20 test mission.
    5. dog breeder
      dog breeder April 19 2018 09: 56
      +2
      About how many wonderful discoveries
      Prepares enlightenment ,,,

      That is their enlightenment, just not lame! Yes, and ours flowed there ...
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    6. NEXUS
      NEXUS April 19 2018 12: 53
      0
      Quote: turbris
      Well, did anyone doubt that the USA would create its own engine? Let's see how it will show itself in a real launch.

      It will not show in any way, since it takes more than one or two years to create and refine such an engine. And they can PR for as long as they like. By the way, is it not time for us to impose sanctions on the United States and stop deliveries of our engines, as well as throwing their astronauts to the ISS?
    7. vik669
      vik669 April 19 2018 13: 50
      +1
      RD-180. About rocket streams of lies
      https://topwar.ru/127947-rd-180-o-raketnyh-potoka
      h-lzhi.html
  2. Vard
    Vard April 19 2018 09: 41
    +1
    Well, let's see how it will fly ... on the stand and on the rocket ... these are two big differences ... They kind of like they want to order another hundred of our engines ..
  3. evil partisan
    evil partisan April 19 2018 09: 42
    +4
    A good BY product will not be called. No.
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 19 2018 09: 45
    +2
    Wait and see. So far, the Americans have problems.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 19 2018 09: 47
      +4
      And what are these problems?
      1. sogdy
        sogdy April 19 2018 13: 32
        +2
        Quote: Vadim237
        And what are these problems?

        Dosing as the basis of a controlled jet engine. Materials - nozzles and cameras burn out unevenly. Actually, this does not allow obtaining a product certificate and obtaining a license for activity.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 19 2018 16: 50
          0
          This is a problem at the moment, only BE 4 and then it will be solved soon.
          1. sogdy
            sogdy April 20 2018 06: 54
            0
            This problem has not been resolved in the United States for 80 years. And yet, so they will decide within 2 years?
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 April 20 2018 16: 56
              0
              However, all of their engines operate successfully.
              1. YELLOWSTONE
                YELLOWSTONE April 21 2018 04: 42
                0
                For example, F-1 has not been working for a long time.
                1. Vlad.by
                  Vlad.by April 23 2018 11: 02
                  +1
                  Did he even work?
                  1. YELLOWSTONE
                    YELLOWSTONE April 23 2018 12: 17
                    +1
                    yes, just not very
                    1. Vlad.by
                      Vlad.by April 24 2018 01: 33
                      0
                      This, excuse me, how?
                      The most super-duper, mega-hippo cool engine, which made so many "perfect" flights to the moon (we don’t even remember about Skylab) - and not really?
                      Here it is necessary or -or ...
                      For me - it didn’t work. Those. never successfully worked for its intended purpose.
                      1. YELLOWSTONE
                        YELLOWSTONE April 24 2018 08: 26
                        0
                        Quote: Vlad.by
                        Here it is necessary or -or ...

                        why don't we remember? here it is
  5. astepanov
    astepanov April 19 2018 09: 47
    +3
    “In the future will replace” - the question is how close this prospect will be. Especially if you have at least 20 engines for which you have already paid.
    One gets the feeling that the RD180 played the role of a Trojan horse, slowing down the development of the US engine building for years - just like the strategic offensive arms limitation treaty broke its uranium enrichment technology and accelerated the development of this industry in our country. However, in the same way, the supply of microelectronics ruined our MEP to an even greater extent. Here it is, "international integration" in all its glory!
    1. sogdy
      sogdy April 19 2018 13: 36
      0
      Quote: astepanov
      One gets the feeling that the RD180 played the role of a Trojan horse, slowing down the development of the US engine building for years - just like the strategic offensive arms limitation treaty broke its uranium enrichment technology and accelerated the development of this industry in our country. However, in the same way, the supply of microelectronics ruined our MEP to an even greater extent. Here it is, "international integration" in all its glory!

      This is not right here, but what? I'm sitting, I think ... boring.
  6. Eduard petrov
    Eduard petrov April 19 2018 09: 48
    +6
    They will succeed. If not tomorrow, then the day after tomorrow. Given what resources (financial and scientific) are invested in space in the West and here, as well as the interest of private investors, there is no doubt that they will go far ahead and very soon, unfortunately ...
    1. neri73-r
      neri73-r April 19 2018 09: 55
      +1
      Quote: Eduard Petrov
      Considering what resources (financial and scientific) are invested in space in the West and here,

      Not everything is so simple, the efficiency of these resources is different for us and for them!
      1. Eduard petrov
        Eduard petrov April 19 2018 10: 15
        +3
        Quote: neri73-r
        Quote: Eduard Petrov
        Considering what resources (financial and scientific) are invested in space in the West and here,

        Not everything is so simple, the efficiency of these resources is different for us and for them!

        We dispense with unfounded allegations. In fact, the theft of money in our space industry (budget!) - I can provide a dozen links to official resources, if I myself look for laziness, a truly cosmic scale. And in the West, a private investor and he invests exceptionally efficiently in profit. Rogozin has already announced that he will use the experience of the Mask, as he would not be ashamed. What is it, trampolines ...
        1. Awaz
          Awaz April 19 2018 18: 18
          0
          They are different cuts, the only thing that makes them alike is that someone profits well on this .. I will not talk about space technology, because I don’t know the prices, but I know for sure that the Soviet developments were most effective and carried many times less costs even having many setbacks. However, almost all Soviet space technology is still relevant, unlike large-scale American dead-end options. So about the cut.
          I walked this morning on an MRI. Predyavili 3000 rubles. It's funny, but just recently my acquaintance German in Deutschland did the same MRI for 900 euros ... Why would that be?
          I even think, if you compare the cost of the T 72 skating rink and the Abrams skating rink, the difference will be about the same level ..
          1. Filxnumx
            Filxnumx April 19 2018 21: 44
            +1
            I even think, if you compare the cost of the T 72 skating rink and the Abrams skating rink, the difference will be about the same level ..
            I would even have the courage to compare the price of the entire T-72 and the rink at Abrams. And something tells me the difference will be UNFUCKING.
    2. SOF
      SOF April 19 2018 10: 11
      +2
      Quote: Eduard Petrov
      Given what resources (financial and scientific) are invested

      ... and what will happen if the buck-printer does not withstand the load ....?
      1. Eduard petrov
        Eduard petrov April 19 2018 10: 17
        +3
        Quote: SOF
        Quote: Eduard Petrov
        Given what resources (financial and scientific) are invested

        ... and what will happen if the buck-printer does not withstand the load ....?

        But what will happen if tomorrow the Earth lands on the celestial axis? In addition to inappropriate and naive questions, is there anything on the topic?
        1. Setrac
          Setrac April 19 2018 10: 30
          +2
          Quote: Eduard Petrov
          In addition to inappropriate and naive questions, is there anything on the topic?

          Edik, whose will you be?
          1. Eduard petrov
            Eduard petrov April 19 2018 10: 48
            +1
            Quote: Setrac
            Quote: Eduard Petrov
            In addition to inappropriate and naive questions, is there anything on the topic?

            Edik, whose will you be?

            It was you who were raised by your parents so that you turn to a stranger diminutively in a slang-argot style? or did the street bring you up? I will ask you in the future to refrain from questions to me, they will be ignored due to obvious intellectual inequality.
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              1. YELLOWSTONE
                YELLOWSTONE April 19 2018 11: 49
                +3
                if you evaluate, then he also has a name in English spelled
        2. sogdy
          sogdy April 19 2018 13: 47
          0
          Quote: Eduard Petrov
          In addition to inappropriate and naive questions, is there anything on the topic?

          It's funny And yet, what did you personally say _ on the topic_?
          And yes, usually "investment" is estimated in the profile income in the respective country. This is how these "tools" work, i.e. in fact, work days, not promissory notes.
          By the way, this is the discrepancy between their estimates.
          1. Eduard petrov
            Eduard petrov April 19 2018 14: 44
            +1
            Quote: sogdy
            Quote: Eduard Petrov
            In addition to inappropriate and naive questions, is there anything on the topic?

            It's funny And yet, what did you personally say _ on the topic_?
            And yes, usually "investment" is estimated in the profile income in the respective country. This is how these "tools" work, i.e. in fact, work days, not promissory notes.

            This is very similar to a post generator. What is the "profile income in the respective country" when it comes to private companies? How do I work on work days? You confuse innovative companies with Soviet collective farms, apparently? Write also that Mask does not issue passports to employees and prohibits moving to the city?
            1. sogdy
              sogdy April 20 2018 07: 01
              0
              Quote: Eduard Petrov
              How do I work on work days? You confuse innovative companies with Soviet collective farms, apparently?

              No. "Innovative" companies - a tool for cutting. Everything that has been done - here, in the USA, in France - has been done in sharakahs like a "closed city". As now in China and the DPRK.
              And yes, I have been relevant to the topic for 4 generations. And you?
        3. SOF
          SOF April 19 2018 14: 29
          +2
          Quote: Eduard Petrov
          is there anything on the topic?

          ... is ..... only first answer the question, what happens with a fairly durable, latex, ball when it is blowed, and blow, and blow .....
          .... a conversation, the truth will not work if you think that the earth is flat, stands on three whales that swim in the inexhaustible and unshakable dollar sea ........
          1. Eduard petrov
            Eduard petrov April 19 2018 15: 07
            +1
            Quote: SOF
            Quote: Eduard Petrov
            is there anything on the topic?

            ... is ..... only first answer the question, what happens with a fairly durable, latex, ball when it is blowed, and blow, and blow .....
            .... a conversation, the truth will not work if you think that the earth is flat, stands on three whales that swim in the inexhaustible and unshakable dollar sea ........

            Why are you answering the question again? It should be known that this is not comme il faut!
            I don’t understand why you are trying to drag here the questions of the most powerful economy on the planet and look for flaws in it. In addition to the dollar, the USA is one of the most technologically advanced countries at the moment. Is it necessary to mention private investments in the space industry, or is everything clear?
            1. SOF
              SOF April 19 2018 15: 33
              +2
              Quote: Eduard Petrov
              Why do you again answer the question?

              ... I am returning this question to you ..... since "again" was not from me.
              Quote: Eduard Petrov
              Is it necessary to mention private investments in the space industry, or is everything clear?
              - This should convince me of something?
              Quote: Eduard Petrov
              USA is one of the most technologically advanced countries at the moment
              - not a fact .... when was the last time you saw an iPhone from the USA, but to a staffer, maybe an air conditioner?
              ..... yes what to talk about - we without ceremony we select the presidents ....
              ..... enough .... I do not fight with the "windmills" ... hi
            2. sogdy
              sogdy April 20 2018 07: 18
              0
              Quote: Eduard Petrov
              questions of the most powerful economy on the planet and look for flaws in it. In addition to the dollar, the USA is one of the most technologically advanced countries at the moment.

              Killed! A country that blew a bubble back in the 30s of the last century and lost its entire economy — the most powerful and the most technologically advanced? And is it a country? - in which there is no government as such. A country living on unpaid bills. Very arrogant homeless. Insolent from hopelessness.
      2. Evgeny Goncharov
        Evgeny Goncharov April 19 2018 16: 08
        0
        to tell how many times Russia refused its debt obligations, and how many - the USA?
        1. SOF
          SOF April 19 2018 16: 22
          +3
          Quote: Evgeny Goncharov
          to tell how many times Russia refused its debt obligations, and how many - the USA?

          ...that's for me? There is no need to suggest ..... if for an equivalent comparison we take those "enormous" three centuries, how many North American geographic neoplasms exist, then Russia never refused debt obligations !!! - history speaks about it ...
          But the states - once (intricately, but efficiently, and what it will ultimately lead to - only God knows) - breaking the Bretton Woods agreement ..... refusing to say, happen faq, to ​​take back wrappers back, changing them to what -it is more valuable ..... And when, oil, and then gas, begin to sell for, for example, gold, it will be interesting to look at the dollar exchange rate ....
          ..... but for now ..... America .... America .... wassat
          1. sogdy
            sogdy April 20 2018 07: 27
            0
            Quote: SOF
            And when, oil, and then gas, begin to sell for, for example, gold, it will be interesting to look at the dollar rate ....

            By the way, oil and gas are traded only for rubles and yuan. Bugs are selling for dollars, still able (or hoping) to buy rubles, yuan, gold - or pay "in kind" - with technologies, supplies, territories. How the Japanese are trying to pay us.
            1. SOF
              SOF April 20 2018 07: 44
              +1
              Quote: sogdy
              By the way, oil and gas are traded only for rubles and yuan.

              ..... ???? IN TERMS OF???? belay
              .... like urkain doesn’t want to pay us for gas ...... because you need to convert dollars to damned Muscovite rubles ....? belay
              . hi
            2. Eduard petrov
              Eduard petrov April 20 2018 07: 50
              +1
              Quote: sogdy
              Quote: SOF
              And when, oil, and then gas, begin to sell for, for example, gold, it will be interesting to look at the dollar rate ....

              By the way, oil and gas are traded only for rubles and yuan. Bugs are selling for dollars, still able (or hoping) to buy rubles, yuan, gold - or pay "in kind" - with technologies, supplies, territories. How the Japanese are trying to pay us.

              this is a clinic in the 4th generation, there are no more questions ...) hello to the head doctor!
          2. Evgeny Goncharov
            Evgeny Goncharov April 20 2018 17: 26
            0
            You will make references to the vast history of the United States when you can explain why such a young country had its first university almost a century earlier than Russia. What does your story say about this?

            About our defaults, which, as it were, are not defaults - well, living in a magical world is more convenient, I understand.
            1. YELLOWSTONE
              YELLOWSTONE April 21 2018 04: 47
              0
              in Russia the Academy of Sciences was when the USA itself was not yet
              and the Americans do not refuse their debt obligations, they give them to everyone
              1. Evgeny Goncharov
                Evgeny Goncharov April 27 2018 06: 32
                0
                > in Russia, the Academy of Sciences was when the United States itself was not yet

                Also, almost a hundred years of difference. Suggest not in whose favor?
                1. YELLOWSTONE
                  YELLOWSTONE April 27 2018 07: 33
                  0
                  tell me, she’s not in the USA now, only policemen
  7. gukoyan
    gukoyan April 19 2018 09: 48
    0
    Hmm, they promptly fussed ...
  8. S_Baykala
    S_Baykala April 19 2018 09: 49
    +5
    A country with such a strong scientific and technological potential has finally made a rocket engine. Not surprising. It’s only surprising why they didn’t do it before. By the way: on which engine they flew to the moon. And, most importantly, on what they took off from the moon. Here, every launch, thousands of people are preparing for several months, on specially equipped cosmodromes. For takeoff, a launch vehicle (disposable, weighing thousands of tons) is used. And there they took off once - without preparation, without refueling, and there was enough fuel for acceleration and landing on the return journey. Well, yes, I remember - there 6 times less gravity - but something is wrong here.
    ps and where is the feature film about such an unprecedented feat. Not? This is alarming.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh April 19 2018 10: 01
      +8
      Here on these - in the work. Saturn-5 mission Apollo 15 takes off.
      Three unused pieces remained in museums. You can come to the States and consider the engines in detail.
      1. S_Baykala
        S_Baykala April 19 2018 13: 03
        +1
        Alexey! hi Thank you for your reply. Although incomplete.
      2. Woldemar
        Woldemar April 20 2018 03: 05
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        You can come to the States and consider the engines in detail.

        we can look at the BE-4 engine from Blue Origin, though it doesn’t fly anywhere wink
    2. Petrix
      Petrix April 19 2018 10: 08
      0
      Quote: S_Baykala
      It’s only surprising why they didn’t

      Previously, journalists simply didn’t tell us, because they were not shown anything. And today we only know what we should know.
    3. Sands Careers General
      Sands Careers General April 19 2018 10: 23
      +4
      Actually take off from the moon.
      I don’t like mattresses, but I must admit that they did the lunar program, despite the fact that it was a wild adventure, and they spent a huge amount of money and resources, it was a national program, about 5% of GDP was spent from year to year. The whole country worked.
      It really hurt them for the success of the Soviet Union in space.
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov April 19 2018 10: 32
        +2
        Quote: General of the Sand Quarries
        I don’t like mattresses, but I must admit that they did the lunar program, despite the fact that it was a wild adventure, and they spent a huge amount of money and resources, it was a national program, about 5% of GDP was spent from year to year. The whole country worked.
        It really hurt them for the success of the Soviet Union in space.

        I agree with you 100% .. They did it all the same well done!
        And yet we were the first in space .. And now, too, we are still holding on to leading positions, no matter how difficult it is for us!
        1. spirit
          spirit April 19 2018 10: 42
          0
          Everything will be fine) That’s even a clip about the landing on Mars with the unexpected)wink
        2. Sands Careers General
          Sands Careers General April 19 2018 11: 34
          +2
          It would be better to maintain a leading position, otherwise even the Chinese and Indians will step on their heels, not to mention mattresses.
        3. YELLOWSTONE
          YELLOWSTONE April 19 2018 11: 52
          +1
          only now they themselves did it like the ISS less than half
    4. Alex-a832
      Alex-a832 April 19 2018 10: 25
      +2
      Quote: S_Baykala
      ps and where is the feature film about such an unprecedented feat. Not? This is alarming.

      Something definitely went to the moon, but whether it took off and returned is a big question. A radio interception confirmed that the signal source was on the moon. It could be an automatic module that conducted a pre-recorded broadcast from the Moon.
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      1. sogdy
        sogdy April 19 2018 13: 56
        +2
        Quote: pogon
        they forgot that it’s impossible with the Russians, they immediately declared someone else's property.

        The client is confused in the testimony.
  9. igorserg
    igorserg April 19 2018 09: 49
    0
    In as it should ... first prepare a replacement, and then stir up the water.
  10. sergey2183
    sergey2183 April 19 2018 09: 49
    0
    We hope that they will launch their rocket into space. And it will not explode at launch.
    1. gukoyan
      gukoyan April 19 2018 11: 52
      +1
      In general, do not care ...
  11. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh April 19 2018 09: 56
    +3
    So Musk completed testing his new methane-oxygen Reptor engine, which will be installed instead of the Merlin on the Falcons.
    1. YELLOWSTONE
      YELLOWSTONE April 19 2018 11: 54
      +3
      For a long time and again only a model of a prechamber?
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 19 2018 16: 53
        +1
        Already tested the entire engine - is now preparing for mass production.
        1. YELLOWSTONE
          YELLOWSTONE April 19 2018 19: 11
          +1
          with bell more than F-1?
          traction even less than BE-4
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 April 19 2018 23: 07
            0
            At the Raptor, the thrust is 3.5MN, and for BE 4 2.4MN - the Raptor will be the first serial engine operating under the full-flow closed-loop scheme.
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 April 19 2018 23: 18
            0
            The Raptor’s nozzle diameter is 1,3 meters y, F 1 is 3,75 meters if the Raptor is scaled to sizes F 1, it theoretically produces a thrust of 10,5 MN - more than 1000 tc
            1. YELLOWSTONE
              YELLOWSTONE April 20 2018 00: 15
              +2
              "will", "theoretically", "scale" methane to kerosene F-1 which something has not been seen for a long time, the "first production" American,
              Raptor thrust less than 1,9 for BE-4 2.4 for RD-180 - 4 MN, which is easily multiplied by two more
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 April 20 2018 16: 57
                0
                The Raptor in technical documents stated 3,5MN.
                1. YELLOWSTONE
                  YELLOWSTONE April 21 2018 04: 48
                  0
                  raptors whole family, so far there are only 1,7 - 1,9
            2. sogdy
              sogdy April 20 2018 07: 44
              0
              Quote: Vadim237
              if you scale the Raptor to sizes F 1,

              Something is recalled Old Man Hottabych. In those days, Volka could talk with the same aplomb about "terms." So yes, the "scalability" of a dynamic process is something!
    2. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov April 19 2018 12: 08
      +2
      Quote: voyaka uh
      So Musk completed testing his new methane-oxygen Reptor engine, which will be installed instead of the Merlin on the Falcons.

      Excuse me, but your Max pontovik and PR man .. Space is serious and very expensive, then the whole state should work for the future!
      Spread it out, but the ZERO sense!
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 19 2018 16: 55
        +1
        Good PR is the engine of the enterprise, but the PR for Mask is fully confirmed by the work.
  12. Vol4ara
    Vol4ara April 19 2018 09: 58
    0
    Quote: sergey2183
    We hope that they will launch their rocket into space. And it will not explode at launch.

    Rather the opposite
    1. YELLOWSTONE
      YELLOWSTONE April 19 2018 11: 54
      +1
      chances are, 4 to 1
  13. Beltasir matyagu
    Beltasir matyagu April 19 2018 09: 59
    0
    For some reason, I’m sure that in it critical nodes from the RD are lapped or used in the calculations, even if this is not noticeable. Time for reverse engineering was in bulk
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 April 19 2018 10: 59
      +1
      This is a methane engine. RD - oxygen-kerosene. Copying a lot will not work.
      1. sogdy
        sogdy April 19 2018 13: 59
        0
        Quote: donavi49
        This is a methane engine.

        Oxygen Methane?
  14. Romario_Argo
    Romario_Argo April 19 2018 10: 00
    +3
    Oh well...
    at RD-180 thrust ~420 tons, and BE-4 ~270 tons
    1. gukoyan
      gukoyan April 19 2018 11: 50
      0
      And they’ll stick around the whole rocket with their engines)
      1. Romario_Argo
        Romario_Argo April 19 2018 12: 03
        +1
        no, they will put in place 1 our 2's chamber, 2 their single-chamber
        but (!) they still have to “fight” the new engine control system
        * And about to cling to engines. so we already have a prototype of the detonation engine, here it can be sculpted anywhere. 80% fuel economy and 15 km flow rate per second
        (I think there will be a separate article on this topic)
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 19 2018 16: 58
          0
          This is if this DDR Russia does not sell abroad due to lack of funds for testing.
          1. Romario_Argo
            Romario_Argo April 19 2018 20: 48
            0
            now it’s not 90, BUT (!) they will torture to death for treason on Lubyanka
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 April 19 2018 23: 10
              0
              But, in the new federal program on outer space up to the age of 28, there is no mention of financing the DRD.
    2. YELLOWSTONE
      YELLOWSTONE April 19 2018 11: 55
      +2
      probably in the USA kerosene is over
  15. Fedorov
    Fedorov April 19 2018 10: 01
    0
    A copy could not be better than the original. Throughout the world, Kalash rivets, but they can’t bring reliability. China S-300 pounding, not that, engines for fighters, not that. Grannies remember the Singer machine, as they did not try, not that.
    You can rely on development, well, you need to do it from scratch. And for this there must be scientific and technological, chemical, metallurgical, etc. the base that is mined for years (if according to Stalin), for decades actually.
    1. Zhelezyakin
      Zhelezyakin April 19 2018 10: 51
      +3
      Quote: Fedorov
      And for this there must be scientific and technological, chemical, metallurgical, etc. the base that is mined for years (if according to Stalin), for decades actually.

      This is already far from "0" !!!
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 April 19 2018 11: 03
      0
      So this is not a copy. It’s just an engine (developed by the private company BlueOrigin - owned by the richest man in the world of Bezos) - which has now been bought by ULA for use in Vulcan.

      This is a methane rocket engine. Musk is already responding with the Raptor - his Methane engine. Russia is still sitting on kerosene stoves. Methane only recently caught on. And unlike BE and Raptor, they are methane in Russia in 3 models and individual prototyped units. With the horizon of reaching the border of the current Raptor and BE in 22-24 years.
  16. Salomet
    Salomet April 19 2018 10: 04
    +3
    Are there rocketers on the forum? What the devil are Americans so fond of single-chamber engines? How can this fool be normally hung on a rocket and also be turned over? In my opinion, the USSR switched to four-chamber engines precisely because of their reliability. Can anyone explain? what
    1. YELLOWSTONE
      YELLOWSTONE April 19 2018 11: 58
      +1
      they are big blue and beautiful, and Soviet little red ones are more reliable and pull better, but it doesn’t matter
  17. Azazelo
    Azazelo April 19 2018 10: 10
    +2
    I haven’t flown anywhere yet, but the statements have already been posted ...
    1. Zhelezyakin
      Zhelezyakin April 19 2018 10: 52
      +3
      Modern marketing! Alas, we have the same.
  18. HMR333
    HMR333 April 19 2018 10: 11
    +1
    Something too small engine for heavy missiles!
  19. shuravi
    shuravi April 19 2018 10: 15
    +1
    Quote: liberal on a trampoline
    Quote: 210ox
    These are not Chinese. Amerzians will be able to copy clearly.
    Quote: turbris
    Well, did anyone doubt that the USA would create its own engine? Let's see how it will show itself in a real launch.

    Russia is a country of copy paste, even Dneproges is not able to build on its own
    Copy-paste country
    https://zhartun.me/2018/04/copypaste.html


    This is accurate, for example:

    Helicopter Cheryomukhin 1930 year



    Sikorsky Helicopter1939 year




    In how, nine years earlier, the original buildings were copied. lol
    1. Dikson
      Dikson April 19 2018 10: 39
      +1
      Actually, Sikorsky also started in Russia .. He emigrated later
  20. keeper03
    keeper03 April 19 2018 10: 22
    0
    Built ?! Well, the flag to them in the fifth point, it's time to curl up! yes
  21. Chief Starshin
    Chief Starshin April 19 2018 10: 23
    0
    Everything is a little easier. Striped copied technology changed and adapted to their own materials and technologies. Here is the result, our deer, for the sake of money, gave technology and a strong impetus to the potential enemy’s missile program.
  22. Petrix
    Petrix April 19 2018 10: 24
    +3
    And what kind of comments are these? Has the United States Already Turned into Zimbabwe? China can fly into space and the United States can not? Space is a promising business for both the military and business. The truth is a little expensive and troublesome. But these are markets that are still being conquered. And what does this mean for the capitalists? This means the rottenness of competitors, pull know-how out of them, direct them along the wrong path, etc.
    But what if a fundamentally new engine is created? You need to make it clear to others that everything is old, take your time, rivet what is. In the meantime, a new technology is being prepared, and behold, unexpected. How many, how many engines did you want to sell to us? Ready? Dont need it, thanks. We are breaking the contract.
  23. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 April 19 2018 10: 43
    +1
    Quote: liberal on a trampoline
    Quote: just EXPL
    Well, yes, and mattresses of the type are capable of building something themselves.
    By the way, do not tell me from whom the MiG-25 was copied?

    "Mattresses", a fool are able to build everything. Unlike the Russian Federation. Therefore, sit quietly and streamline.

    Domestic calculators and their foreign counterparts. History in pictures
    http://www.phantom.sannata.ru/konkurs/2008/kt0829
    .shtml

    Where did tears come from, a lover of delusional phrases?
  24. Dikson
    Dikson April 19 2018 10: 47
    +1
    Well, it’s the same as with titanium for Boeing .. - our "waited" until the plants became dependent on deliveries abroad .. But it seems that our country doesn’t need to .. So either throw our workers out on the street or continue to feed "partners" .. I have no doubt that the Americans will succeed .. Because space is a strategic thing, and they won’t leave there. And they won’t depend on anyone either .. Yes, they use the services of Roskosmos, which plays the role of a taxi driver .. But this will not last long. And then we will start again to collect beds in the rocket shops ...
    1. Lycan
      Lycan April 19 2018 11: 00
      +1
      Quote: Dikson
      And then we will start again to collect beds in the rocket shops ...

      Do not bring the Lord!
    2. uskrabut
      uskrabut April 19 2018 12: 23
      +1
      Quote: Dikson
      as with titanium for Boeing .. - ours "waited" until the plants became dependent on deliveries abroad.

      So you don’t just have to trade metal, it is established by law that titanium can be exported only in finished products. China organized its own electronics by banning the export of rare earth metals. Here the bourgeoisie built their plants. One must be smarter and more visionary. And then we can only pick out from the earth and rather push abroad, here they are some effective managers
      1. Dikson
        Dikson April 19 2018 13: 08
        +1
        But it was already ... - when instead of metal, titanium shovels were taken out ...
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 19 2018 17: 02
          0
          They were fools, but before they were able to export shovels from palladium and gold.
  25. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV April 19 2018 10: 49
    +2
    Quote: liberal on a trampoline
    Quote: 210ox
    These are not Chinese. Amerzians will be able to copy clearly.
    Quote: turbris
    Well, did anyone doubt that the USA would create its own engine? Let's see how it will show itself in a real launch.

    Russia is a country of copy paste, even Dneproges is not able to build on its own
    Copy-paste country
    https://zhartun.me/2018/04/copypaste.html

    You yourself are a copied friend ....
    1. YELLOWSTONE
      YELLOWSTONE April 19 2018 12: 00
      +2
      and not very high quality.
  26. Chaos
    Chaos April 19 2018 12: 01
    +1
    some ugly engine. Usa country buggers, probably some kind of fagot did))
    1. G A_2
      G A_2 April 19 2018 14: 07
      +1
      If they did fagots he would be beautiful laughing
  27. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat April 19 2018 12: 03
    +2
    Well, it’s necessary, but .... But they said that the USA cannot create such an engine, even one wise guy said something about “trampolines” .... No .... Well, it can’t be, I don’t believe- this is a "fake", "American propaganda" .... winked
    1. Shahno
      Shahno April 19 2018 12: 30
      0
      Why can not .... Just when there were opportunities (to get access to technology - rd, nk) they took advantage of a freebie ... But at the moment this is the final stage in the development of our own products. Now they can’t push 191 RDs, and they will refuse from the two-chamber. Although there was some kind of rumor that Aerojet is negotiating the purchase of Russian-made NK, I think it's not serious .....
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 19 2018 17: 04
        0
        They want to buy the NK 39 LRE for their air launch.
  28. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov April 19 2018 16: 41
    +2
    And where are the local urapatriotic comrades who poured boiling water, claiming that the United States is 15-20 years old before its engine? I feel some local people will deny me now wink
    1. Evgeny Goncharov
      Evgeny Goncharov April 20 2018 17: 29
      0
      judging by the length of their memory, they are in the aquarium
      1. YELLOWSTONE
        YELLOWSTONE April 21 2018 04: 49
        0
        apparently you didn’t try to compare cravings
  29. Alsur
    Alsur April 19 2018 17: 08
    0
    Quote: zapfen
    What is he promoting here? What is he propagandon? So it is and so everyone immediately understood

    In Ukraine, they succeeded, they think, and in Russia the same thing will happen. Often you can see the methods that were used in Ukraine, read with us. For example, Yanukovych’s golden loaf, they don’t write about Putin yet, they can’t pick up the keys, but they write about governors' golden toilet bowls (without quotes). Well, the state dachas do not give rest, we recall the cottage of Yanukovych Mezhgorye. So you can see that the guys are working according to the template.
  30. Old26
    Old26 April 19 2018 18: 21
    +2
    Quote: figvam
    Well done Yankees, caught up with our engines of the 80s of the last century.)))

    Actually surpassed. For ours is oxygen-kerosene, theirs is oxygen-methane. We still only dream of methane engines.
    Usually we try not to talk about the engines of the TR-106 and TR-107 series. The first is a 300-ton oxygen-hydrogen (we don’t have such a word now), the second is a 500-ton oxygen-kerosene. Engines passed fire tests, but in connection with the cancellation of certain programs, the creation of engines was temporarily suspended. Its thrust is almost 180 tons more than that of the RD-100.

    Quote: YELLOWSTONE
    and hydrogen? probably that's why the shuttles stopped flying

    They also have hydrogen, unlike us, who had the last hydrogen engine on Energia, and the shuttle stopped flying altogether for completely different reasons.

    Quote: Vlad.by
    The weight of the BE4 engine “for some reason” turned out to be significantly higher than that of the RD-180, and the thrust was significantly lower. Accordingly, the weight return of a rocket with BE4 is much lower. I do not understand why BE4 is classified as a "replacement" of the RD-180.

    Well, comparing such characteristics for engines running on different fuel pairs is not the best option. It is classified as a replacement, if only because two BE-180s will be put in the existing dimensions of the first stages of launch vehicles instead of one RD-4. The total thrust of two BE-4 engines is almost 500 tons. The thrust of the RD-180 engine is 390-423 tons, therefore, replacement

    Quote: Vlad.by
    And for how many flights BE4 is enough - only Brahma knows.

    Actually designed for 25 flights

    Quote: Yrec
    For a rocket engine to go into series, it takes years of testing and refinement. By that time, the RD-180 is completely out of date. Arrived mattresses with development.

    Not at all. The years that we supply them with the RD-180 turned out to be quite enough to create a line of engines
    1. The engine BE-4. Oxygen Methane Thrust approximately 245 tons. To date, it has passed more than 100 test tests and is ready for operation
    2. Engine AR-1 / Oxygen-kerosene. Thrust 226 tons. Competitor BE-4
    3. Engine TR-106. Oxygen-hydrogen. thrust 294 tons
    4. Engine TR-107. Oxygen-kerosene. traction 499 tons.
    The engines BE-4, AR-1, TR-106. Having a thrust less than that of the RD-180 have mass and dimensions that are such that they can be set in the amount of two instead of one RD. The total thrust will be higher than that of the RD-180

    Quote: RASKAT
    I agree, with the Americans everything is going according to plan. From the 2019 of the year, tests will begin, I think from the 2022-23 of the year we will completely abandon our engines, possibly earlier.

    They can buy "safety" RD-180s in 2020, although they still have a small supply now. EMNip about 30 "Atlases" they can still run. RD-181 is purchased quite intensively. The contract was for 20 engines until December 31, 2021, plus an option for 30-40. They have now begun to purchase options. For 2017-2018, we had to supply them with 6 RD-181 engines, but taking into account the optional 8 to 14 engines. The number of launches of Antares 200 series is about 2-3 per year. Enough for the coming years

    Quote: MIKHAN
    Interestingly, they will also launch their cosmonauts on these engines ..?

    There will be time - on these. Moreover, on their way they have several manned ships. The Dragon will go first on Falcon with the Merlins - and then all the rest ...

    Quote: Vard
    Well, let's see how it will fly ... on the stand and on the rocket ... these are two big differences ... They kind of like they want to order another hundred of our engines ..

    We will see. That's just about 100 RD-180 engines. Trim sturgeon every 5-6. And the number of engines ordered (if any) will be possible

    Quote: Angry Guerrilla
    A good BY product will not be called.

    Of course. When there is nothing to say on the topic, "adding" to the name of the engine begins
  31. Old26
    Old26 April 19 2018 18: 22
    +2
    Quote: S_Baykala
    A country with such a strong scientific and technological potential has finally made a rocket engine.

    And before that, the United States did not have engines? Or used a steam engine to launch missiles?

    Quote: S_Baykala
    It’s only surprising why they didn’t do it before. By the way: on which engine they flew to the moon. And, most importantly, on what they took off from the moon. .

    Why didn’t you? There were certain types of media - there were engines. Saturn-5, for example, took off on F-1 engines. At that time the most powerful in the world. Start from the surface was provided by two-engine engines (or you should name their index)

    Quote: S_Baykala
    Here, every launch, thousands of people are preparing for several months, on specially equipped cosmodromes. For takeoff, a launch vehicle (disposable, weighing thousands of tons) is used. And there they took off once - without preparation, without refueling, and there was enough fuel for acceleration and landing on the return journey. .

    Well, you shouldn’t carry a blizzard? Yes, the launch from the ground was provided by a disposable launch vehicle. Start from the surface of our satellite - those engines that were on the landing and take-off steps. And with that gas station that was there. Braking when approaching the Earth was provided by the engines of the command module, and not by the landing or take-off stage. Read better Shuneiko's monograph "Manned Flights to the Moon." Almost 50 years students of space specialties have been taught in this specialized textbook (monograph) in our specialized universities.

    Quote: MIKHAN
    And now, too, we are holding on to leading positions, no matter how difficult it is for us!

    Alas, Vitalik, no longer. I already wrote in some of the topics that the next decade the Federal Space Program has set the task of entering the top three leading countries. Do not be second or first, but only in the top three. Fundamental research of outer space by devices in our pen ... We wouldn’t have to slide down to 4th-5th place (so far, it seems, they shouldn’t). And to be leaders - in the next few decades, this is not real ... We specifically already breathe in the back of the head several countries ... Although they still need to work a lot ...

    Quote: YELLOWSTONE
    only now they themselves did it like the ISS less than half

    ISS less than half? Teach the materiel, dear. How much is ours on the ISS, and how much is American. We have fewer modules. And all the farms, solar panels and more - all this is, alas, NOT OUR. Our segment provides approximately 18 kW of 110 electricity consumed by the ISS ...

    Quote: voyaka uh
    So Musk completed testing his new methane-oxygen Reptor engine, which will be installed instead of the Merlin on the Falcons.

    On the "Falcons" they are unlikely to be put, but on the BFR (Big Falcon Rocket) media - yes, it is he who is planned. BFR media will have a diameter of about 9 meters. At the first stage 31 engine "Reptor". The capacity of these promising carriers is from 150 to 250 tons

    Quote: MIKHAN
    Quote: voyaka uh
    So Musk completed testing his new methane-oxygen Reptor engine, which will be installed instead of the Merlin on the Falcons.

    Excuse me, but your Max pontovik and PR man .. Space is serious and very expensive, then the whole state should work for the future!
    Spread it out, but the ZERO sense!

    Vitalik. He is not only PR, but DO. He said he would do the return steps - he did, said that he would launch a heavy carrier with 65 tons of load capacity - he did. Not always everything goes smoothly and evenly, but he does. We say more than we do. every 5-7 years we change a promising program and say that in 202xx, 203xxx we will launch .... We speak, but we don’t ....
    This year we plan (Russia to launch) 23 carriers. USA - 45, of which 18-19 will be his. Wow PR, when in terms of the number of planned launches, he, a private trader, almost caught up with a country like us ...

    Quote: Romario_Argo
    Oh well...
    at RD-180 thrust ~420 tons, and BE-4 ~270 tons

    So what? Instead of one RD-180, they are going to put two BE-4s. In total, we get our 390 tons (420 is in a vacuum) versus 2x 245 = 490. And if TR-107 will be put on promising ones, then there is a thrust of 499 tons against our 390 ...

    Quote: Romario_Argo
    but (!) they still have to “fight” the new engine control system

    But they are on the Atlases and do not plan to put them. And the new missiles have new engine control systems.

    Quote: Fedorov
    A copy could not be better than the original. Throughout the world, Kalash rivets, but they can’t bring reliability. China S-300 pounding, not that, engines for fighters, not that. Grannies remember the Singer machine, as they did not try, not that.
    You can rely on development, well, you need to do it from scratch. And for this there must be scientific and technological, chemical, metallurgical, etc. the base that is mined for years (if according to Stalin), for decades actually.

    Be-4 NOT COPY RD-180. This is a completely new engine, like a number of others ... Do you think that the Americans have no technological, chemical, metallurgical base? and they need to create it from scratch?
  32. faterdom
    faterdom April 19 2018 19: 28
    0
    Until real flights of a real rocket with a real engine have been launched - all these are commercials and stories. I would not want to remind why the Challengers program has been curtailed. It was not very smooth, including for the first Israeli astronaut.
    1. Evgeny Goncharov
      Evgeny Goncharov April 20 2018 17: 35
      0
      program of what, sorry?
      1. YELLOWSTONE
        YELLOWSTONE April 21 2018 04: 53
        0
        long rolled up?
  33. YELLOWSTONE
    YELLOWSTONE April 21 2018 05: 02
    +1
    Quote: Old26
    Quote: YELLOWSTONE
    only now they themselves did it like the ISS less than half

    ISS less than half? Teach the materiel, dear. How much is ours on the ISS, and how much is American. We have fewer modules. And all the farms, solar panels and more - all this is, alas, NOT OUR. Our segment provides approximately 18 kW of 110 electricity consumed by the ISS ...

    teach the Dawn module materiel who made it and launched it lol
    the Russian module has folded panels so as not to interfere with the American ones, and it is not a problem to bring out a folding farm with folding panels