Replacing Russian RD-180 created? In the United States introduced the rocket engine BE-4

The company Blue Origin introduced the rocket engine BE-4 during the space symposium in the American Colorado Springs, reports RIA News.

According to the developers, "after passing the fire tests, the BE-4 was rebuilt and tested many times again." The forum was presented the current version - SN 103.

It is reported that the US "is planning to use the BE-4 engine on a Vulcan booster, which is being developed as a replacement for Atlas V with the Russian RD-180." In the future, the American engines will be installed on the new carriers of the heavy New Glenn class developed by Blue Origin.

Recall that in the 1997 year, the Russian Federation and the United States concluded an agreement on the supply of the X-NUMX engine RD-101. Then, due to the deterioration of relations between the countries, US lawmakers imposed a ban on the use of RD-180 after 180, however, then they abolished it. Immediately after this, the ULA consortium, at the request of the US Department of Defense, ordered additional 2019 RD-20 engines from NPO Energomash.

Comments

[turbris]

Well, did anyone doubt that the USA would create its own engine? Let's see how it will show itself in a real launch.

[Dimontius]

There is no doubt that it will work normally ... apparently that's why the deliveries of the rd-180 do not stop .. otherwise the move would have been somehow bare or something.

[YELLOWSTONE]

they buy and deliver to partners because it has not yet been completed, it is methane with a thrust of almost 2 times less, and there are doubts

[NIKNN]

Quote: YELLOWSTONE

they buy and deliver to partners because it has not yet been completed, it is methane with a thrust of almost 2 times less, and there are doubts

And from somewhere the information popped up in my head that people on this device can’t be sent until it reaches some sort of (such as MTBF) safe start-up ratio, well, at least we have this ...

[Normal ok]

Quote: NIKNN

safe start factor, well, we have at least ...

safe "like ours"?

[NIKNN]

Quote: Normal ok

safe "like ours"?

Read carefully regarding the launch of people, and oddly enough. Yes, we have much less victims when launching the spacecraft than in the US ...

[Arakius]

Quote: NIKNN

And from somewhere the information popped up in my head that people on this device can’t be sent until it reaches some sort of (such as MTBF) safe start-up ratio, well, at least we have this ...

As far as I know, they don't plan to carry people on it (on the Vulkan rocket) yet. The United States sends people to space only to the ISS, and the SpaceX has already been seized by SpaceX with its Dragon2

[NIKNN]

Quote: Arakius

As far as I know, they don't plan to carry people on it (on the Vulkan rocket) yet.

What I’m talking about, it’s necessary to fly there decently to allow human flights, but again I don’t know how it is in the states ...

[210ox]

These are not Chinese. Amerzians will be able to copy clearly.

Quote: turbris

Well, did anyone doubt that the USA would create its own engine? Let's see how it will show itself in a real launch.

[just exp]

jigsaw, tell me how mattresses built a nuclear waste disposal plant.
Show me not an American TV, and tell me why mattresses themselves prefer Japanese cars.
tell us about the fact that already mattressed soldiers prefer the Russian rifleman and begin to copy it.
tell us dark, don't be shy.
and you carcass did not answer the question - and from whom did you copy the Mig-25?

[bulvas]

Quote: 210ox

These are not Chinese. Amerzians will be able to copy clearly.

Actually, this is a completely different engine, runs on methane, and our RD-180 - on kerosene

[YELLOWSTONE]

it’s good that it’s not on hydrogen sulfide steam.

[vik669]

But it’s not with you — I know Mig-25 as an engineer of the MAP of the USSR — they urgently did it against the Valkyries and did it in such a country where if they said do it, they did it and not on the "clave" because they could even knock on the head!
MiG-25 appeared too late? https://topwar.ru/17651-mig-25-poyavilsya-slishko
m-late.html

[210ox]

What stupid is this plus also a plus?

[just exp]

it’s kakly, they have a division of Internet propagandists, they rummage through all sites, including this one.

[tap]

What is he promoting here? What is he propagandon? So it is and so everyone immediately understood

[Lena Petrova]

What Amerika is with them. There are not many other achievements.

[NIKNN]

Quote: zapfen

What is he promoting here? What is he propagandon? So it is and so everyone immediately understood

Why did you attack? The propagandon wants to eat a man, and he’s ready for anything, they will offer a cracker with butter to his mother as a pledge ...

[Hammerlock]

trampoline liberal
it seems your ceiling is very low. Often hit the head!

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Hammerlock

trampoline liberal
it seems your ceiling is very low. Often hit the head!

In addition, he also likes this process of bouncing off his head. If you lower the ceiling by another 10-15 cm, it will be killed by the damn mother in the “glory of the USA”, but somehow it didn’t work out with the “glory” that was independent.

[sogdy]

Quote: Liberal on a trampoline

"Mattresses", a fool are able to build everything. Unlike the Russian Federation. Therefore, sit quietly and streamline.

Domestic calculators and their foreign counterparts. History in pictures
http://www.phantom.sannata.ru/konkurs/2008/kt0829
.shtml

Your link comes from the very first arithmometer - Felix is ​​called Odner. Oh yes, Felix is ​​Russian. And Odner is just a five-digit abbot, not even a lever.
So I wonder who draws your fakes?
We worked on Sparks when Feynman put Mercedes together - did you see the Mercedes? 22-bit, electro-mechanical, a symbol of the complete flight of thought in "Snail on the slope." All the institute dumps were littered with Mercedes.

[Nik Torokhov]

Your dad streamlined your copy-paste with a fluffy brazier)) and acre of enthusiasm you did not get anything from your dad))

[pogon]

Quote: just explo

they are able to build something

Is the rd-180 russian? you just collect it, you won the tender, because rabsila is cheap, but I think the Americans will not spare you the second time.

[bulvas]

Quote: pogon

Quote: just explo

they are able to build something

Is the rd-180 russian? you just collect it, you won the tender, because rabsila is cheap, but I think the Americans will not spare you the second time.

Perhaps the Americans developed it?

Does CNN tell you this, or does the American school teach you that?

[pogon]

Quote: bulvas

CNN reports

I understand that it’s difficult for you to read, but I’ll help, probably the Internet gives you a little bit:

RD-180 In 2009, it was an export engine. All patents and full rights to the RD-180 belonged to the Space Systems Division of General Dynamics (USA), which in the early 1990s were bought by Lockheed Martin for use on Atlas disposable media (Atlas III and Atlas V).

[just exp]

mdya, the State Department has forgotten how to read.

RD-180 In 2009, it was an export engine. All patents and full rights on RD-180 belonged to the Space Systems Division General Dynamics (USA), which in the early 1990s were purchased by Lockheed Martin for use on Atlas disposable media (Atlas III and Atlas V).

Do you even know what people are developing, not patents and rights? where do the Russian people.
and the mattresses just gave money to these people. therefore, they have rights with patents.

[YELLOWSTONE]

and details to this half RD-170 from where they bring?
from the USA or from China?

[bulvas]

Quote: pogon

RD-180 In 2009, it was an export engine. All patents and full rights to the RD-180 belonged to the Space Systems Division of General Dynamics (USA), which in the early 1990s were bought by Lockheed Martin for use on Atlas disposable media (Atlas III and Atlas V).

Why does it have a Russian name?
The patent may have been bought, but it is designed and manufactured in Russia

Or, is it right to sell patents only for American companies, and if Russia sells, then "the Americans regretted"?

[YELLOWSTONE]

Americans do not sell patents, they tear grandmothers for their use, licenses only sometimes

[bulvas]

Quote: YELLOWSTONE

Americans do not sell patents, they tear grandmothers for their use, licenses only sometimes

and we Americans - finished products, in metal

[YELLOWSTONE]

and with a patent on them,
usually if they redeem it then do it yourself

[vik669]

RD-170 and RD-180 developed by the USSR and they sold RD-180 (half of RD-170) with documentation, but for many many years they cannot even copy it because they are not Chinese!
Why can't lunar swindlers make RD-180? Interview with Academician Boris Katorgin https://cont.ws/@oav/92405

[Dead duck]

Quote: pogon

I understand that it’s difficult for you to read, but I’ll help, probably the Internet will give you a little bit

Son, uzbagoyya! ... and stop talking nonsense.
Already bothered a hundred times to paint what and how.
At least you should study your laws for a start (if you are, of course, from a mattress room).
And the site has more than once written on this topic.

[Dead duck]

Quote: pogon

What did they write? that they took pity on you and gave you some money, and you and your legs on the table?

useless to communicate with down ...
read on the forum ...
or a Chukchi writer, not a reader? ...
do you know your laws? ...

[rbt]

I apologize if the amers have patents and rights to rd180, then why do they build their analog rd180. do they have patents for the original?

[rbt]

I apologize if the amers have patents and rights to rd180, then why do they build their analog rd180. do they have patents for the original?

[Hammerlock]

he knows that from reliable sources[i] [/ i] in social networks

[tagil]

Exceptional, and when did we ask someone to pity us? Snot in the face of the face, if you can only smear it, you can smear it five heels and howl in a voice offended. US FOR WHAT !!!!!!!! FOR your meanness.

[meandr51]

Mattresses never spared anyone. If you do something, then it’s profitable.

[vik669]

Buy a mirror and ask I advise as an engineer of the MAP USSR!

[Evgeny Goncharov]

C A-5 Vigilante.

[Alf]

Quote: Evgeny Goncharov

C A-5 Vigilante.

What's wrong with Wiglent?

[Setrac]

Quote: Liberal on a trampoline

Russia is a country of copy paste, even Dneproges is not able to build on its own

Your muddy stream of consciousness is incomprehensible to an adequate person

[Setrac]

Quote: Liberal on a trampoline

Russia is a country of copy paste, even Dneproges is not able to build on its own

Dneproges is Ukraine, what does Russia have to do with it? Go to school to unlearn before talking to adults.

[ventel]

Gas, STZ, CTZ what do you think who designed it. This is to the fact that some on the site believe that the Americans do not know what.

[Hammerlock]

Gas, STZ, ChTZ, who do you think designed

exclusively seafarers

[ventel]

I understand from your answer that all these plants were built by Ukrainians as well as half of Ukrainians in the Russian stage.

[Setrac]

Quote: ventel

I understand from your answer that all these plants were built by Ukrainians as well as half of Ukrainians in the Russian stage.

Alla, where is the stage, and where are the plants?

[ventel]

And where is the school to which you want to send the opponent if you yourself do not know the story.

[Setrac]

Quote: ventel

And where is the school to which you want to send the opponent if you yourself do not know the story.

The story of what? The whereabouts of the Dnieper? Or the story of the rejection of Ukraine?

[ventel]

The history of Gaza, STZ, ChTZ or everything rests against you in Ukraine. So why aren’t you writing that Belarus also rejected someone. You are probably one of those who have imperial manners.

[vik669]

So they are horses and no more ...!

[sogdy]

Rather, your twist did not understand the thought.

[vik669]

Well, if you dug up the sea that it’s worth building a plant or jumping on the stage or not on the estadan (who doesn’t ride that Muscovite)!

[ventel]

I’m wondering if you take any stupidity that will be shown on TV for the truth. Although if you look at the Russian politicum then what to expect tram pumps.

[Vanek]

Quote: Liberal on a trampoline

Russia is a country of copy-paste

Go on (unprintable word)!

[Hammerlock]

Go on (unprintable word)!

you need to do this smiley

[figwam]

Well done Yankees, caught up with our engines of the 80s of the last century.)))

[Semen Semyonitch]

Well, yes, a liberal with a trampoline knows better. By the way, didn’t they fly to France from a trampoline?

[donavi49]

This is an innovative methane engine that Kerosinki (including Maskovskie) will steal from the market.

[YELLOWSTONE]

and hydrogen? probably that's why the shuttles stopped flying

[tap]

Unusually a lot of avniuk today. Spring is visible. Dung and flies woke up

[bulvas]

Quote: donavi49

This is an innovative methane engine that Kerosinki (including Maskovskie) will steal from the market.

When you’ll "go back" (Selyuk stank), then you will jump, dreamer

In the meantime, look here:


"go back"
Selyuk, like you never jump

[Evgeny Goncharov]

just a picture? Was there not enough money for the cartoon this time?

[bulvas]

Quote: Evgeny Goncharov

just a picture? Was there not enough money for the cartoon this time?

Well, why, where necessary, there are presentations and calculations, and technical specifications and experimental results

If interested - you can read it, it is painted in chronological order:

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ядерная_энергодвига
megawatt_class_setting

By the way, a private company is also involved in this:

In February, the director general of S7 space, Sergey Sopov, said that in the Orbital Cosmodrome project, it was planned to use a space tug with a megawatt-class nuclear propulsion system. In October 2018, it is planned to develop proposals to accelerate the development of the nuclear power project
At the end of the month, work was carried out on the manufacture and surface testing, installation and the Transport and Energy Module

[pogon]

Is it with a trampoline or with telekinesis?

[Vlad.by]

This is not a copy. Could not, alas.
The weight of the BE4 engine “for some reason” turned out to be significantly higher than that of the RD-180, and the thrust was significantly lower. Accordingly, the weight return of a rocket with BE4 is much lower. I do not understand why BE4 is classified as a "replacement" of the RD-180.
And for how many flights BE4 is enough - only Brahma knows.
I wouldn’t risk flying into space on a rocket with a “secondary” BE4.

[Yrec]

For a rocket engine to go into series, it takes years of testing and refinement. By that time, the RD-180 is completely out of date. Arrived mattresses with development.

[just exp]

have been experiencing it for a long time.
because mattresses do not have a roguzin, so they work, and not joke about a trampoline instead of work.

[donavi49]

Not. I wrote in a previous topic:
2 rockets fly on Russian engines - Atlas from ULA (Boeing + Lockheed) and half-dead Antares from Orbital.

Even if you close the taxi. That stock is not enough until NewGlen all 1,5-2 year. Volcano - it’s not clear there, ULA seems to be pushing the deadlines and even promises to postpone the first flight for a year (already in the 2019 test mission).

They have a Mask - which today planted the last stage of the BlockNUMX, after successfully launching a telescope to search for exoplanets. There will be no more such archaic from Mask. The next missile is BlockNUMX with significant improvements. If federal contracts (on which ULA lobbyists sit tightly) are dumped on him, then Musk will send Tesla Putin a gift.

They have a safety option in the form of Deltas / Minotaurs. They screwed a faucet (for dear). But if there are no others, then on the expensive you can ...

[YELLOWSTONE]

Why then show everyone the BE-4?

[sogdy]

I'm sorry. but apart from the freaks of Mask, everything else is 10 years old.
And still Atlas and Antares are dying - and they cannot die. And still, everyone else takes off on the verge of a foul - and still _without the licenses_ that Atlas and Antares have.
Oh yeah, methane and methylene in jet engines is where the Fau started. A very interesting result - the oxidation of methane led to the release of acetate sequences, for example, to Cyclone-B.

[Vadim237]

Methane fuel for LRE is more profitable, cheaper in production and storage, as well as minimal loss of fuel during refueling, storage, in contrast to liquid hydrogen.

[sogdy]

Quote: sogdy

oxidation of methane led to the release of acetate sequences, for example, to Cyclone-B.

[YELLOWSTONE]

but unlike kerosene not at launch

[RASKAT]

I agree, with the Americans everything is going according to plan. From the 2019 of the year, tests will begin, I think from the 2022-23 of the year we will completely abandon our engines, possibly earlier.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Interestingly, they will also launch their cosmonauts on these engines ..?

[spirit]

No, there other companies are working on it, in Russia, it seems, they also don’t carry astronauts in cargo boxes

[YELLOWSTONE]

what kind of company? engines attach to rockets, not warped

[donavi49]

It depends on what.

They have this year the Starliner flies to the ISS. The first with nishtyak different - without a crew. Carrier Atlas. In the future Volcano. But there it is necessary to certify the Volcano for people - it should be a fairly extensive launch program without people.

Next Dragon2 flies on FalconBlock5. Also with hotels from Mask without people.

After these missions will be manned. The question is when? The Boeing announced for November-December a manned Starliner - subject to the perfect passage of the program by a summer ship. Musk transferred his manned to the ISS in 2019.

Further more. In 20, NewGlen will fly from Bezos. Then New Shepard will fly without people. And then with people. New Shepard is the most advanced and cheapest orbiting spacecraft for today. One of the goals is to make space truly accessible. Not millions of dollars and half a year of preparation, but tens of thousands and weeks of preparation per ticket.

Following Orion flies on the most expensive and most expensive SLS rocket in history. But Orion is not an orbiting spacecraft, but an apparatus for the moon, Mars, asteroids, etc.

[YELLOWSTONE]

something all without people and without people ...

[sogdy]

Quote: donavi49

Further more. In 20, NewGlen will fly from Bezos. Then New Shepard will fly without people. And then with people. New Shepard is the most advanced and cheapest orbiting spacecraft for today. One of the goals is to make space truly accessible. Not millions of dollars and half a year of preparation, but tens of thousands and weeks of preparation per ticket.
Following Orion flies on the most expensive and most expensive SLS rocket in history. But Orion is not an orbiting spacecraft, but an apparatus for the moon, Mars, asteroids, etc.

Let me remind you of the old book, "pre-mythical" - "Live with lightning." This is the fate of any science and technology in the United States. And the current mythical myths cause extreme distrust. Taki we have something to show, but the United States did not. Those firecrackers that "fool" all sorts of strange personalities without history do not have _engines_, i.e. not actually adjustable. Copypaster Mask is perverted with 60s technology. Again, without prehistory.
Therefore, even the Franks do not "compete" with the United States.

[donavi49]

ULA promises Volcano to launch before the end of 2019 year. Bezos in 20 test mission.

[dog breeder]

About how many wonderful discoveries
Prepares enlightenment ,,,
That is their enlightenment, just not lame! Yes, and ours flowed there ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: turbris

Well, did anyone doubt that the USA would create its own engine? Let's see how it will show itself in a real launch.

It will not show in any way, since it takes more than one or two years to create and refine such an engine. And they can PR for as long as they like. By the way, is it not time for us to impose sanctions on the United States and stop deliveries of our engines, as well as throwing their astronauts to the ISS?

[vik669]

RD-180. About rocket streams of lies
https://topwar.ru/127947-rd-180-o-raketnyh-potoka
h-lzhi.html

[Vard]

Well, let's see how it will fly ... on the stand and on the rocket ... these are two big differences ... They kind of like they want to order another hundred of our engines ..

[evil partisan]

A good BY product will not be called.

[rotmistr60]

Wait and see. So far, the Americans have problems.

[Vadim237]

And what are these problems?

[sogdy]

Quote: Vadim237

And what are these problems?

Dosing as the basis of a controlled jet engine. Materials - nozzles and cameras burn out unevenly. Actually, this does not allow obtaining a product certificate and obtaining a license for activity.

[Vadim237]

This is a problem at the moment, only BE 4 and then it will be solved soon.

[sogdy]

This problem has not been resolved in the United States for 80 years. And yet, so they will decide within 2 years?

[Vadim237]

However, all of their engines operate successfully.

[YELLOWSTONE]

For example, F-1 has not been working for a long time.

[Vlad.by]

Did he even work?

[YELLOWSTONE]

yes, just not very

[Vlad.by]

This, excuse me, how?
The most super-duper, mega-hippo cool engine, which made so many "perfect" flights to the moon (we don’t even remember about Skylab) - and not really?
Here it is necessary or -or ...
For me - it didn’t work. Those. never successfully worked for its intended purpose.

[YELLOWSTONE]

Quote: Vlad.by

Here it is necessary or -or ...

why don't we remember? here it is

[astepanov]

“In the future will replace” - the question is how close this prospect will be. Especially if you have at least 20 engines for which you have already paid.
One gets the feeling that the RD180 played the role of a Trojan horse, slowing down the development of the US engine building for years - just like the strategic offensive arms limitation treaty broke its uranium enrichment technology and accelerated the development of this industry in our country. However, in the same way, the supply of microelectronics ruined our MEP to an even greater extent. Here it is, "international integration" in all its glory!

[sogdy]

Quote: astepanov

One gets the feeling that the RD180 played the role of a Trojan horse, slowing down the development of the US engine building for years - just like the strategic offensive arms limitation treaty broke its uranium enrichment technology and accelerated the development of this industry in our country. However, in the same way, the supply of microelectronics ruined our MEP to an even greater extent. Here it is, "international integration" in all its glory!

This is not right here, but what? I'm sitting, I think ... boring.

[Eduard petrov]

They will succeed. If not tomorrow, then the day after tomorrow. Given what resources (financial and scientific) are invested in space in the West and here, as well as the interest of private investors, there is no doubt that they will go far ahead and very soon, unfortunately ...

[neri73-r]

Quote: Eduard Petrov

Considering what resources (financial and scientific) are invested in space in the West and here,

Not everything is so simple, the efficiency of these resources is different for us and for them!

[Eduard petrov]

Quote: neri73-r

Quote: Eduard Petrov

Considering what resources (financial and scientific) are invested in space in the West and here,

Not everything is so simple, the efficiency of these resources is different for us and for them!

We dispense with unfounded allegations. In fact, the theft of money in our space industry (budget!) - I can provide a dozen links to official resources, if I myself look for laziness, a truly cosmic scale. And in the West, a private investor and he invests exceptionally efficiently in profit. Rogozin has already announced that he will use the experience of the Mask, as he would not be ashamed. What is it, trampolines ...

[Awaz]

They are different cuts, the only thing that makes them alike is that someone profits well on this .. I will not talk about space technology, because I don’t know the prices, but I know for sure that the Soviet developments were most effective and carried many times less costs even having many setbacks. However, almost all Soviet space technology is still relevant, unlike large-scale American dead-end options. So about the cut.
I walked this morning on an MRI. Predyavili 3000 rubles. It's funny, but just recently my acquaintance German in Deutschland did the same MRI for 900 euros ... Why would that be?
I even think, if you compare the cost of the T 72 skating rink and the Abrams skating rink, the difference will be about the same level ..

[Filxnumx]

I even think, if you compare the cost of the T 72 skating rink and the Abrams skating rink, the difference will be about the same level ..
I would even have the courage to compare the price of the entire T-72 and the rink at Abrams. And something tells me the difference will be UNFUCKING.

[SOF]

Quote: Eduard Petrov

Given what resources (financial and scientific) are invested

... and what will happen if the buck-printer does not withstand the load ....?

[Eduard petrov]

Quote: SOF

Quote: Eduard Petrov

Given what resources (financial and scientific) are invested

... and what will happen if the buck-printer does not withstand the load ....?

But what will happen if tomorrow the Earth lands on the celestial axis? In addition to inappropriate and naive questions, is there anything on the topic?

[Setrac]

Quote: Eduard Petrov

In addition to inappropriate and naive questions, is there anything on the topic?

Edik, whose will you be?

[Eduard petrov]

Quote: Setrac

Quote: Eduard Petrov

In addition to inappropriate and naive questions, is there anything on the topic?

Edik, whose will you be?

It was you who were raised by your parents so that you turn to a stranger diminutively in a slang-argot style? or did the street bring you up? I will ask you in the future to refrain from questions to me, they will be ignored due to obvious intellectual inequality.

[YELLOWSTONE]

if you evaluate, then he also has a name in English spelled

[sogdy]

Quote: Eduard Petrov

In addition to inappropriate and naive questions, is there anything on the topic?

It's funny And yet, what did you personally say _ on the topic_?
And yes, usually "investment" is estimated in the profile income in the respective country. This is how these "tools" work, i.e. in fact, work days, not promissory notes.
By the way, this is the discrepancy between their estimates.

[Eduard petrov]

Quote: sogdy

Quote: Eduard Petrov

In addition to inappropriate and naive questions, is there anything on the topic?

It's funny And yet, what did you personally say _ on the topic_?
And yes, usually "investment" is estimated in the profile income in the respective country. This is how these "tools" work, i.e. in fact, work days, not promissory notes.

This is very similar to a post generator. What is the "profile income in the respective country" when it comes to private companies? How do I work on work days? You confuse innovative companies with Soviet collective farms, apparently? Write also that Mask does not issue passports to employees and prohibits moving to the city?

[sogdy]

Quote: Eduard Petrov

How do I work on work days? You confuse innovative companies with Soviet collective farms, apparently?

No. "Innovative" companies - a tool for cutting. Everything that has been done - here, in the USA, in France - has been done in sharakahs like a "closed city". As now in China and the DPRK.
And yes, I have been relevant to the topic for 4 generations. And you?

[SOF]

Quote: Eduard Petrov

is there anything on the topic?

... is ..... only first answer the question, what happens with a fairly durable, latex, ball when it is blowed, and blow, and blow .....
.... a conversation, the truth will not work if you think that the earth is flat, stands on three whales that swim in the inexhaustible and unshakable dollar sea ........

[Eduard petrov]

Quote: SOF

Quote: Eduard Petrov

is there anything on the topic?

... is ..... only first answer the question, what happens with a fairly durable, latex, ball when it is blowed, and blow, and blow .....
.... a conversation, the truth will not work if you think that the earth is flat, stands on three whales that swim in the inexhaustible and unshakable dollar sea ........

Why are you answering the question again? It should be known that this is not comme il faut!
I don’t understand why you are trying to drag here the questions of the most powerful economy on the planet and look for flaws in it. In addition to the dollar, the USA is one of the most technologically advanced countries at the moment. Is it necessary to mention private investments in the space industry, or is everything clear?

[SOF]

Quote: Eduard Petrov

Why do you again answer the question?

... I am returning this question to you ..... since "again" was not from me.

Quote: Eduard Petrov

Is it necessary to mention private investments in the space industry, or is everything clear?

- This should convince me of something?

Quote: Eduard Petrov

USA is one of the most technologically advanced countries at the moment

- not a fact .... when was the last time you saw an iPhone from the USA, but to a staffer, maybe an air conditioner?
..... yes what to talk about - we without ceremony we select the presidents ....
..... enough .... I do not fight with the "windmills" ...

[sogdy]

Quote: Eduard Petrov

questions of the most powerful economy on the planet and look for flaws in it. In addition to the dollar, the USA is one of the most technologically advanced countries at the moment.

Killed! A country that blew a bubble back in the 30s of the last century and lost its entire economy — the most powerful and the most technologically advanced? And is it a country? - in which there is no government as such. A country living on unpaid bills. Very arrogant homeless. Insolent from hopelessness.

[Evgeny Goncharov]

to tell how many times Russia refused its debt obligations, and how many - the USA?

[SOF]

Quote: Evgeny Goncharov

to tell how many times Russia refused its debt obligations, and how many - the USA?

...that's for me? There is no need to suggest ..... if for an equivalent comparison we take those "enormous" three centuries, how many North American geographic neoplasms exist, then Russia never refused debt obligations !!! - history speaks about it ...
But the states - once (intricately, but efficiently, and what it will ultimately lead to - only God knows) - breaking the Bretton Woods agreement ..... refusing to say, happen faq, to ​​take back wrappers back, changing them to what -it is more valuable ..... And when, oil, and then gas, begin to sell for, for example, gold, it will be interesting to look at the dollar exchange rate ....
..... but for now ..... America .... America ....

[sogdy]

Quote: SOF

And when, oil, and then gas, begin to sell for, for example, gold, it will be interesting to look at the dollar rate ....

By the way, oil and gas are traded only for rubles and yuan. Bugs are selling for dollars, still able (or hoping) to buy rubles, yuan, gold - or pay "in kind" - with technologies, supplies, territories. How the Japanese are trying to pay us.

[SOF]

Quote: sogdy

By the way, oil and gas are traded only for rubles and yuan.

..... ???? IN TERMS OF????
.... like urkain doesn’t want to pay us for gas ...... because you need to convert dollars to damned Muscovite rubles ....?
...

[Eduard petrov]

Quote: sogdy

Quote: SOF

And when, oil, and then gas, begin to sell for, for example, gold, it will be interesting to look at the dollar rate ....

By the way, oil and gas are traded only for rubles and yuan. Bugs are selling for dollars, still able (or hoping) to buy rubles, yuan, gold - or pay "in kind" - with technologies, supplies, territories. How the Japanese are trying to pay us.

this is a clinic in the 4th generation, there are no more questions ...) hello to the head doctor!

[Evgeny Goncharov]

You will make references to the vast history of the United States when you can explain why such a young country had its first university almost a century earlier than Russia. What does your story say about this?

About our defaults, which, as it were, are not defaults - well, living in a magical world is more convenient, I understand.

[YELLOWSTONE]

in Russia the Academy of Sciences was when the USA itself was not yet
and the Americans do not refuse their debt obligations, they give them to everyone

[Evgeny Goncharov]

> in Russia, the Academy of Sciences was when the United States itself was not yet

Also, almost a hundred years of difference. Suggest not in whose favor?

[YELLOWSTONE]

tell me, she’s not in the USA now, only policemen

[gukoyan]

Hmm, they promptly fussed ...

[S_Baykala]

A country with such a strong scientific and technological potential has finally made a rocket engine. Not surprising. It’s only surprising why they didn’t do it before. By the way: on which engine they flew to the moon. And, most importantly, on what they took off from the moon. Here, every launch, thousands of people are preparing for several months, on specially equipped cosmodromes. For takeoff, a launch vehicle (disposable, weighing thousands of tons) is used. And there they took off once - without preparation, without refueling, and there was enough fuel for acceleration and landing on the return journey. Well, yes, I remember - there 6 times less gravity - but something is wrong here.
ps and where is the feature film about such an unprecedented feat. Not? This is alarming.

[voyaka uh]

Here on these - in the work. Saturn-5 mission Apollo 15 takes off.
Three unused pieces remained in museums. You can come to the States and consider the engines in detail.

[S_Baykala]

Alexey! Thank you for your reply. Although incomplete.

[Woldemar]

Quote: voyaka uh

You can come to the States and consider the engines in detail.

we can look at the BE-4 engine from Blue Origin, though it doesn’t fly anywhere

[Petrix]

Quote: S_Baykala

It’s only surprising why they didn’t

Previously, journalists simply didn’t tell us, because they were not shown anything. And today we only know what we should know.

[Sands Careers General]

Actually take off from the moon.
I don’t like mattresses, but I must admit that they did the lunar program, despite the fact that it was a wild adventure, and they spent a huge amount of money and resources, it was a national program, about 5% of GDP was spent from year to year. The whole country worked.
It really hurt them for the success of the Soviet Union in space.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

I don’t like mattresses, but I must admit that they did the lunar program, despite the fact that it was a wild adventure, and they spent a huge amount of money and resources, it was a national program, about 5% of GDP was spent from year to year. The whole country worked.
It really hurt them for the success of the Soviet Union in space.

I agree with you 100% .. They did it all the same well done!
And yet we were the first in space .. And now, too, we are still holding on to leading positions, no matter how difficult it is for us!

[spirit]

Everything will be fine) That’s even a clip about the landing on Mars with the unexpected)

[Sands Careers General]

It would be better to maintain a leading position, otherwise even the Chinese and Indians will step on their heels, not to mention mattresses.

[YELLOWSTONE]

only now they themselves did it like the ISS less than half

[Alex-a832]

Quote: S_Baykala

ps and where is the feature film about such an unprecedented feat. Not? This is alarming.

Something definitely went to the moon, but whether it took off and returned is a big question. A radio interception confirmed that the signal source was on the moon. It could be an automatic module that conducted a pre-recorded broadcast from the Moon.

[sogdy]

Quote: pogon

they forgot that it’s impossible with the Russians, they immediately declared someone else's property.

The client is confused in the testimony.

[igorserg]

In as it should ... first prepare a replacement, and then stir up the water.

[sergey2183]

We hope that they will launch their rocket into space. And it will not explode at launch.

[gukoyan]

In general, do not care ...

[voyaka uh]

So Musk completed testing his new methane-oxygen Reptor engine, which will be installed instead of the Merlin on the Falcons.

[YELLOWSTONE]

For a long time and again only a model of a prechamber?

[Vadim237]

Already tested the entire engine - is now preparing for mass production.

[YELLOWSTONE]

with bell more than F-1?
traction even less than BE-4

[Vadim237]

At the Raptor, the thrust is 3.5MN, and for BE 4 2.4MN - the Raptor will be the first serial engine operating under the full-flow closed-loop scheme.

[Vadim237]

The Raptor’s nozzle diameter is 1,3 meters y, F 1 is 3,75 meters if the Raptor is scaled to sizes F 1, it theoretically produces a thrust of 10,5 MN - more than 1000 tc

[YELLOWSTONE]

"will", "theoretically", "scale" methane to kerosene F-1 which something has not been seen for a long time, the "first production" American,
Raptor thrust less than 1,9 for BE-4 2.4 for RD-180 - 4 MN, which is easily multiplied by two more

[Vadim237]

The Raptor in technical documents stated 3,5MN.

[YELLOWSTONE]

raptors whole family, so far there are only 1,7 - 1,9

[sogdy]

Quote: Vadim237

if you scale the Raptor to sizes F 1,

Something is recalled Old Man Hottabych. In those days, Volka could talk with the same aplomb about "terms." So yes, the "scalability" of a dynamic process is something!

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: voyaka uh

So Musk completed testing his new methane-oxygen Reptor engine, which will be installed instead of the Merlin on the Falcons.

Excuse me, but your Max pontovik and PR man .. Space is serious and very expensive, then the whole state should work for the future!
Spread it out, but the ZERO sense!

[Vadim237]

Good PR is the engine of the enterprise, but the PR for Mask is fully confirmed by the work.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: sergey2183

We hope that they will launch their rocket into space. And it will not explode at launch.

Rather the opposite

[YELLOWSTONE]

chances are, 4 to 1

[Beltasir matyagu]

For some reason, I’m sure that in it critical nodes from the RD are lapped or used in the calculations, even if this is not noticeable. Time for reverse engineering was in bulk

[donavi49]

This is a methane engine. RD - oxygen-kerosene. Copying a lot will not work.

[sogdy]

Quote: donavi49

This is a methane engine.

Oxygen Methane?

[Romario_Argo]

Oh well...
at RD-180 thrust ~420 tons, and BE-4 ~270 tons

[gukoyan]

And they’ll stick around the whole rocket with their engines)

[Romario_Argo]

no, they will put in place 1 our 2's chamber, 2 their single-chamber
but (!) they still have to “fight” the new engine control system
* And about to cling to engines. so we already have a prototype of the detonation engine, here it can be sculpted anywhere. 80% fuel economy and 15 km flow rate per second
(I think there will be a separate article on this topic)

[Vadim237]

This is if this DDR Russia does not sell abroad due to lack of funds for testing.

[Romario_Argo]

now it’s not 90, BUT (!) they will torture to death for treason on Lubyanka

[Vadim237]

But, in the new federal program on outer space up to the age of 28, there is no mention of financing the DRD.

[YELLOWSTONE]

probably in the USA kerosene is over

[Fedorov]

A copy could not be better than the original. Throughout the world, Kalash rivets, but they can’t bring reliability. China S-300 pounding, not that, engines for fighters, not that. Grannies remember the Singer machine, as they did not try, not that.
You can rely on development, well, you need to do it from scratch. And for this there must be scientific and technological, chemical, metallurgical, etc. the base that is mined for years (if according to Stalin), for decades actually.

[Zhelezyakin]

Quote: Fedorov

And for this there must be scientific and technological, chemical, metallurgical, etc. the base that is mined for years (if according to Stalin), for decades actually.

This is already far from "0" !!!

[donavi49]

So this is not a copy. It’s just an engine (developed by the private company BlueOrigin - owned by the richest man in the world of Bezos) - which has now been bought by ULA for use in Vulcan.

This is a methane rocket engine. Musk is already responding with the Raptor - his Methane engine. Russia is still sitting on kerosene stoves. Methane only recently caught on. And unlike BE and Raptor, they are methane in Russia in 3 models and individual prototyped units. With the horizon of reaching the border of the current Raptor and BE in 22-24 years.

[Salomet]

Are there rocketers on the forum? What the devil are Americans so fond of single-chamber engines? How can this fool be normally hung on a rocket and also be turned over? In my opinion, the USSR switched to four-chamber engines precisely because of their reliability. Can anyone explain?

[YELLOWSTONE]

they are big blue and beautiful, and Soviet little red ones are more reliable and pull better, but it doesn’t matter

[Azazelo]

I haven’t flown anywhere yet, but the statements have already been posted ...

[Zhelezyakin]

Modern marketing! Alas, we have the same.

[HMR333]

Something too small engine for heavy missiles!

[shuravi]

Quote: liberal on a trampoline

Quote: 210ox

These are not Chinese. Amerzians will be able to copy clearly.

Quote: turbris

Well, did anyone doubt that the USA would create its own engine? Let's see how it will show itself in a real launch.

Russia is a country of copy paste, even Dneproges is not able to build on its own

Copy-paste country
https://zhartun.me/2018/04/copypaste.html

This is accurate, for example:

Helicopter Cheryomukhin 1930 year



Sikorsky Helicopter1939 year




In how, nine years earlier, the original buildings were copied.

[Dikson]

Actually, Sikorsky also started in Russia .. He emigrated later

[keeper03]

Built ?! Well, the flag to them in the fifth point, it's time to curl up!

[Chief Starshin]

Everything is a little easier. Striped copied technology changed and adapted to their own materials and technologies. Here is the result, our deer, for the sake of money, gave technology and a strong impetus to the potential enemy’s missile program.

[Petrix]

And what kind of comments are these? Has the United States Already Turned into Zimbabwe? China can fly into space and the United States can not? Space is a promising business for both the military and business. The truth is a little expensive and troublesome. But these are markets that are still being conquered. And what does this mean for the capitalists? This means the rottenness of competitors, pull know-how out of them, direct them along the wrong path, etc.
But what if a fundamentally new engine is created? You need to make it clear to others that everything is old, take your time, rivet what is. In the meantime, a new technology is being prepared, and behold, unexpected. How many, how many engines did you want to sell to us? Ready? Dont need it, thanks. We are breaking the contract.

[Hurricane70]

Quote: liberal on a trampoline

Quote: just EXPL

Well, yes, and mattresses of the type are capable of building something themselves.
By the way, do not tell me from whom the MiG-25 was copied?

"Mattresses", a fool are able to build everything. Unlike the Russian Federation. Therefore, sit quietly and streamline.

Domestic calculators and their foreign counterparts. History in pictures
http://www.phantom.sannata.ru/konkurs/2008/kt0829
.shtml

Where did tears come from, a lover of delusional phrases?

[Dikson]

Well, it’s the same as with titanium for Boeing .. - our "waited" until the plants became dependent on deliveries abroad .. But it seems that our country doesn’t need to .. So either throw our workers out on the street or continue to feed "partners" .. I have no doubt that the Americans will succeed .. Because space is a strategic thing, and they won’t leave there. And they won’t depend on anyone either .. Yes, they use the services of Roskosmos, which plays the role of a taxi driver .. But this will not last long. And then we will start again to collect beds in the rocket shops ...

[Lycan]

Quote: Dikson

And then we will start again to collect beds in the rocket shops ...

Do not bring the Lord!

[uskrabut]

Quote: Dikson

as with titanium for Boeing .. - ours "waited" until the plants became dependent on deliveries abroad.

So you don’t just have to trade metal, it is established by law that titanium can be exported only in finished products. China organized its own electronics by banning the export of rare earth metals. Here the bourgeoisie built their plants. One must be smarter and more visionary. And then we can only pick out from the earth and rather push abroad, here they are some effective managers

[Dikson]

But it was already ... - when instead of metal, titanium shovels were taken out ...

[Vadim237]

They were fools, but before they were able to export shovels from palladium and gold.

[Andrey VOV]

Quote: liberal on a trampoline

Quote: 210ox

These are not Chinese. Amerzians will be able to copy clearly.

Quote: turbris

Well, did anyone doubt that the USA would create its own engine? Let's see how it will show itself in a real launch.

Russia is a country of copy paste, even Dneproges is not able to build on its own

Copy-paste country
https://zhartun.me/2018/04/copypaste.html

You yourself are a copied friend ....

[YELLOWSTONE]

and not very high quality.

[Chaos]

some ugly engine. Usa country buggers, probably some kind of fagot did))

[G A_2]

If they did fagots he would be beautiful

[Monster_Fat]

Well, it’s necessary, but .... But they said that the USA cannot create such an engine, even one wise guy said something about “trampolines” .... No .... Well, it can’t be, I don’t believe- this is a "fake", "American propaganda" ....

[Shahno]

Why can not .... Just when there were opportunities (to get access to technology - rd, nk) they took advantage of a freebie ... But at the moment this is the final stage in the development of our own products. Now they can’t push 191 RDs, and they will refuse from the two-chamber. Although there was some kind of rumor that Aerojet is negotiating the purchase of Russian-made NK, I think it's not serious .....

[Vadim237]

They want to buy the NK 39 LRE for their air launch.

[andrej-shironov]

And where are the local urapatriotic comrades who poured boiling water, claiming that the United States is 15-20 years old before its engine? I feel some local people will deny me now

[Evgeny Goncharov]

judging by the length of their memory, they are in the aquarium

[YELLOWSTONE]

apparently you didn’t try to compare cravings

[Alsur]

Quote: zapfen

What is he promoting here? What is he propagandon? So it is and so everyone immediately understood

In Ukraine, they succeeded, they think, and in Russia the same thing will happen. Often you can see the methods that were used in Ukraine, read with us. For example, Yanukovych’s golden loaf, they don’t write about Putin yet, they can’t pick up the keys, but they write about governors' golden toilet bowls (without quotes). Well, the state dachas do not give rest, we recall the cottage of Yanukovych Mezhgorye. So you can see that the guys are working according to the template.

[Old26]

Quote: figvam

Well done Yankees, caught up with our engines of the 80s of the last century.)))

Actually surpassed. For ours is oxygen-kerosene, theirs is oxygen-methane. We still only dream of methane engines.
Usually we try not to talk about the engines of the TR-106 and TR-107 series. The first is a 300-ton oxygen-hydrogen (we don’t have such a word now), the second is a 500-ton oxygen-kerosene. Engines passed fire tests, but in connection with the cancellation of certain programs, the creation of engines was temporarily suspended. Its thrust is almost 180 tons more than that of the RD-100.

Quote: YELLOWSTONE

and hydrogen? probably that's why the shuttles stopped flying

They also have hydrogen, unlike us, who had the last hydrogen engine on Energia, and the shuttle stopped flying altogether for completely different reasons.

Quote: Vlad.by

The weight of the BE4 engine “for some reason” turned out to be significantly higher than that of the RD-180, and the thrust was significantly lower. Accordingly, the weight return of a rocket with BE4 is much lower. I do not understand why BE4 is classified as a "replacement" of the RD-180.

Well, comparing such characteristics for engines running on different fuel pairs is not the best option. It is classified as a replacement, if only because two BE-180s will be put in the existing dimensions of the first stages of launch vehicles instead of one RD-4. The total thrust of two BE-4 engines is almost 500 tons. The thrust of the RD-180 engine is 390-423 tons, therefore, replacement

Quote: Vlad.by

And for how many flights BE4 is enough - only Brahma knows.

Actually designed for 25 flights

Quote: Yrec

For a rocket engine to go into series, it takes years of testing and refinement. By that time, the RD-180 is completely out of date. Arrived mattresses with development.

Not at all. The years that we supply them with the RD-180 turned out to be quite enough to create a line of engines
1. The engine BE-4. Oxygen Methane Thrust approximately 245 tons. To date, it has passed more than 100 test tests and is ready for operation
2. Engine AR-1 / Oxygen-kerosene. Thrust 226 tons. Competitor BE-4
3. Engine TR-106. Oxygen-hydrogen. thrust 294 tons
4. Engine TR-107. Oxygen-kerosene. traction 499 tons.
The engines BE-4, AR-1, TR-106. Having a thrust less than that of the RD-180 have mass and dimensions that are such that they can be set in the amount of two instead of one RD. The total thrust will be higher than that of the RD-180

Quote: RASKAT

I agree, with the Americans everything is going according to plan. From the 2019 of the year, tests will begin, I think from the 2022-23 of the year we will completely abandon our engines, possibly earlier.

They can buy "safety" RD-180s in 2020, although they still have a small supply now. EMNip about 30 "Atlases" they can still run. RD-181 is purchased quite intensively. The contract was for 20 engines until December 31, 2021, plus an option for 30-40. They have now begun to purchase options. For 2017-2018, we had to supply them with 6 RD-181 engines, but taking into account the optional 8 to 14 engines. The number of launches of Antares 200 series is about 2-3 per year. Enough for the coming years

Quote: MIKHAN

Interestingly, they will also launch their cosmonauts on these engines ..?

There will be time - on these. Moreover, on their way they have several manned ships. The Dragon will go first on Falcon with the Merlins - and then all the rest ...

Quote: Vard

Well, let's see how it will fly ... on the stand and on the rocket ... these are two big differences ... They kind of like they want to order another hundred of our engines ..

We will see. That's just about 100 RD-180 engines. Trim sturgeon every 5-6. And the number of engines ordered (if any) will be possible

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

A good BY product will not be called.

Of course. When there is nothing to say on the topic, "adding" to the name of the engine begins

[Old26]

Quote: S_Baykala

A country with such a strong scientific and technological potential has finally made a rocket engine.

And before that, the United States did not have engines? Or used a steam engine to launch missiles?

Quote: S_Baykala

It’s only surprising why they didn’t do it before. By the way: on which engine they flew to the moon. And, most importantly, on what they took off from the moon. .

Why didn’t you? There were certain types of media - there were engines. Saturn-5, for example, took off on F-1 engines. At that time the most powerful in the world. Start from the surface was provided by two-engine engines (or you should name their index)

Quote: S_Baykala

Here, every launch, thousands of people are preparing for several months, on specially equipped cosmodromes. For takeoff, a launch vehicle (disposable, weighing thousands of tons) is used. And there they took off once - without preparation, without refueling, and there was enough fuel for acceleration and landing on the return journey. .

Well, you shouldn’t carry a blizzard? Yes, the launch from the ground was provided by a disposable launch vehicle. Start from the surface of our satellite - those engines that were on the landing and take-off steps. And with that gas station that was there. Braking when approaching the Earth was provided by the engines of the command module, and not by the landing or take-off stage. Read better Shuneiko's monograph "Manned Flights to the Moon." Almost 50 years students of space specialties have been taught in this specialized textbook (monograph) in our specialized universities.

Quote: MIKHAN

And now, too, we are holding on to leading positions, no matter how difficult it is for us!

Alas, Vitalik, no longer. I already wrote in some of the topics that the next decade the Federal Space Program has set the task of entering the top three leading countries. Do not be second or first, but only in the top three. Fundamental research of outer space by devices in our pen ... We wouldn’t have to slide down to 4th-5th place (so far, it seems, they shouldn’t). And to be leaders - in the next few decades, this is not real ... We specifically already breathe in the back of the head several countries ... Although they still need to work a lot ...

Quote: YELLOWSTONE

only now they themselves did it like the ISS less than half

ISS less than half? Teach the materiel, dear. How much is ours on the ISS, and how much is American. We have fewer modules. And all the farms, solar panels and more - all this is, alas, NOT OUR. Our segment provides approximately 18 kW of 110 electricity consumed by the ISS ...

Quote: voyaka uh

So Musk completed testing his new methane-oxygen Reptor engine, which will be installed instead of the Merlin on the Falcons.

On the "Falcons" they are unlikely to be put, but on the BFR (Big Falcon Rocket) media - yes, it is he who is planned. BFR media will have a diameter of about 9 meters. At the first stage 31 engine "Reptor". The capacity of these promising carriers is from 150 to 250 tons

Quote: MIKHAN

Quote: voyaka uh

So Musk completed testing his new methane-oxygen Reptor engine, which will be installed instead of the Merlin on the Falcons.

Excuse me, but your Max pontovik and PR man .. Space is serious and very expensive, then the whole state should work for the future!
Spread it out, but the ZERO sense!

Vitalik. He is not only PR, but DO. He said he would do the return steps - he did, said that he would launch a heavy carrier with 65 tons of load capacity - he did. Not always everything goes smoothly and evenly, but he does. We say more than we do. every 5-7 years we change a promising program and say that in 202xx, 203xxx we will launch .... We speak, but we don’t ....
This year we plan (Russia to launch) 23 carriers. USA - 45, of which 18-19 will be his. Wow PR, when in terms of the number of planned launches, he, a private trader, almost caught up with a country like us ...

Quote: Romario_Argo

Oh well...
at RD-180 thrust ~420 tons, and BE-4 ~270 tons

So what? Instead of one RD-180, they are going to put two BE-4s. In total, we get our 390 tons (420 is in a vacuum) versus 2x 245 = 490. And if TR-107 will be put on promising ones, then there is a thrust of 499 tons against our 390 ...

Quote: Romario_Argo

but (!) they still have to “fight” the new engine control system

But they are on the Atlases and do not plan to put them. And the new missiles have new engine control systems.

Quote: Fedorov

A copy could not be better than the original. Throughout the world, Kalash rivets, but they can’t bring reliability. China S-300 pounding, not that, engines for fighters, not that. Grannies remember the Singer machine, as they did not try, not that.
You can rely on development, well, you need to do it from scratch. And for this there must be scientific and technological, chemical, metallurgical, etc. the base that is mined for years (if according to Stalin), for decades actually.

Be-4 NOT COPY RD-180. This is a completely new engine, like a number of others ... Do you think that the Americans have no technological, chemical, metallurgical base? and they need to create it from scratch?

[faterdom]

Until real flights of a real rocket with a real engine have been launched - all these are commercials and stories. I would not want to remind why the Challengers program has been curtailed. It was not very smooth, including for the first Israeli astronaut.

[Evgeny Goncharov]

program of what, sorry?

[YELLOWSTONE]

long rolled up?

[YELLOWSTONE]

Quote: Old26

Quote: YELLOWSTONE
only now they themselves did it like the ISS less than half

ISS less than half? Teach the materiel, dear. How much is ours on the ISS, and how much is American. We have fewer modules. And all the farms, solar panels and more - all this is, alas, NOT OUR. Our segment provides approximately 18 kW of 110 electricity consumed by the ISS ...

teach the Dawn module materiel who made it and launched it
the Russian module has folded panels so as not to interfere with the American ones, and it is not a problem to bring out a folding farm with folding panels