According to the script of Yugoslavia. In Kiev, predicted the collapse of Ukraine

The political crisis in Ukraine may lead to the disintegration of the state, which is what some foreign politicians are waiting for. RIA News statement of the deputy of the Verkhovna Rada from the faction "Opposition bloc" Nestor Shufrich.

MP on the channel NewsOne commented on the new initiative of the faction “People's Front” on the introduction of an additional tax for Ukrainians working in Russia.

In his opinion, such a decision "will adversely affect the fate of a huge number of Ukrainian citizens." Shufrich stressed that those who leave for work in Russia "just want to provide for their families and bring money to the country."

Guys, go with god. With your Poroshenko, with your these idiotic initiatives (...) go away and quickly. Because I am afraid that a crisis in power will provoke such decisions, which will simply tear our country to shreds,

he declared.

Ukraine can collapse just like Yugoslavia in its time.

What is being said today abroad is finally realized when they say: “Yes, these Ukrainians cannot live in one country. Let's just: once and for all, like Yugoslavia”,

said the politician.

According to him, the Ukrainian government "has no right to allow the collapse of the state," otherwise the current leaders will simply "curse" the descendants.

There will be no left, right, power, opposition. But, unfortunately, the initiative today is in the hands of the authorities, and the responsibility is zero,

Shufrich concluded.

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[AL176STM30]

Any state can collapse, especially if good people will help it intensely from the outside.

[LSA57]

Quote: AL176STM30

Any state can collapse, especially if good people will help it intensely from the outside.

yeah, the shelter itself is kindness

[novel66]

big ones! it doesn’t matter who may not help, sewn from pieces without regard to features. and break it. out. Czechs with Slovaks also left. peacefully

[LSA57]

Quote: novel xnumx

out. Czechs with Slovaks also left. peacefully

hello. Yes, and we kind of peacefully dispersed while the "friends and partners" did not muddle the water

[Sands Careers General]

Novel

Yugoslavia was artificially destroyed, but it should be understood that it was a federation.
But Ukraine is still a unitary state, although it is sewn from pieces without taking into account the features and mentality of the inhabitants.
But such a forecast is more than real.

[novel66]

Zhora1 for our common future

[Pax tecum]

Any state can collapse, especially if good people will help it intensely from the outside.

For the collapse of the state, first of all, an internal factor is necessary, as the basis of instability. The external factor only triggers the mechanism of destabilization and decay.
That is exactly what happened in the Former Yugoslavia before the start of the disintegration / civil war, and after the first confessions by Germany and the Vatican - already an interstate conflict. Mutual claims there were abundant even before the start of the collapse. But, the Communist Party and the leader of the state, Joseph Broz Tito, restrained the distraction until his death.

This is because if peace and harmony within the state, politicians and managers are not completely fools and do not focus on Western-style democracy, there are no destabilizing moments, then the external factor will not be able to solve its problem.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Pax tecum

For the collapse of the state, first of all, an internal factor is necessary, as the basis of instability

What kind of "internal fact" was in the USSR? Union collapsedXiaand, nevertheless, if you have not noticed.

Quote: Pax tecum

distructive

Um ...

Quote: Pax tecum

if there is peace and harmony within the state

And what happens?

Quote: Pax tecum

destabilizing

Um ...

Quote: Pax tecum

then the external factor

For some reason, it reminded Raikin, Arkady:

You, Fedya, are able to propagandist ... not to be...
You, Fedya, have great power in words ... but you do not know how to arrange them

I give

[Pax tecum]

Golovan Jack: What kind of "internal fact" was in the USSR? Union fell apart, however, if you did not notice.

Yes, as much as you like. There were no fewer internal causes than external influences. Not a few scientific works have been written about this.
Among the main ones, in addition to economic and domestic political ones (the so-called federal agreement between ethnic groups (the so-called center and periphery), the national question, problems from Chernobyl to armed conflicts on the periphery in the late USSR, etc.) , these are actions / inaction of precisely central authority, and not external pressure.
These reasons are called systemic ...

[alatanas]

In Yugoslavia, that is, from the time of the kingdom of Serbs and Croats, later the kingdom of Yugoslavia and then the SFRY (such a mini-empire), these conflicts smoldered and were held
mainly by force the Serbian dominant.

[Vend]

Quote: AL176STM30

Any state can collapse, especially if good people will help it intensely from the outside.

Well, Ukraine will not fall apart, it will be divided, according to the plan of Western curators. So far, the pipeline holds them back from this step. Soon he will be gone.

[Pax tecum]

All right. Federal entities disintegrate, while unitary entities divide.

[Spartanez300]

Dill persistently to this and strides.

[Kleber]

Quote: Spartanez300

Dill persistently to this and strides.

One Dill?
The greatness, power and wealth of the whole state consists in the multiplication of the Russian people "-M. Lomonosov
"Russia- for Russians and in Russian" - Alexander 3, Emperor
"Nationalism in me is so natural that it can never be etched out of me" - Mendeleev D.I.
"I am ready to write on my banner, Russia for Russians and raise this banner as high as possible" -M. Skobelev M. D. Russian general
"We are called to create our own and in our own way, Russian in Russian" - I. Ilyin Russian philosopher
"A nation that does not have a national identity is manure on which other nations grow" - P. Stolypin
"The master of Russia is only Russian, so it is and always will be" - Dostoevsky F.M.

"The one who says" Russia for Russians "is simply or provocateurs- Putin V.V.

[Chertt]

Quote: Kleber

"We are called to create our own and in our own way, Russian in Russian" - I. Ilyin Russian philosopher
"A nation that does not have a national identity is manure on which other nations grow" - P. Stolypin
"The master of Russia is only Russian, so it is and always will be" - Dostoevsky F.M.
"The one who says" Russia for Russians "is simply or provocateurs- Putin V.V.

Quote: Kleber

"We are called to create our own and in our own way, Russian in Russian" - I. Ilyin Russian philosopher
"A nation that does not have a national identity is manure on which other nations grow" - P. Stolypin
"The master of Russia is only Russian, so it is and always will be" - Dostoevsky F.M.
"The one who says" Russia for Russians "is simply or provocateurs- Putin V.V.

You snatched phrases from time, place and situation. So you can pull phrases I will accuse of fascism

[Kleber]

You can blame anyone. Casuistry is such a thing ....))))))))))

[Pax tecum]

You snatched phrases from time, place and situation. So you can pull phrases I will accuse of fascism

Do not say nonsense.
RUSSIAN nationality does not have time, place or situation.
There is a Great Russian history, there are Great Russian people! A. There are those who are very afraid of Russian greatness in Russia itself, like the Russian spring in the Donbas and its leaders and bright personalities, which the Kremlin itself “strangled” ...

PS The term "fascism" is Italian (they mistakenly and with constant persistence replace German social-nationalism or Nazism differently), appeared much later than Buddha and refers to the corporate state.

If you wanted to talk about nationalism, it’s not clear what you mean by that term, and what you don’t like in normal nationalism? If you are more Russian than Russian, then there are no questions for you.

[Pax tecum]

Quote: Kleber

Quote: Spartanez300

Dill persistently to this and strides.

One Dill?
The greatness, power and wealth of the whole state consists in the multiplication of the Russian people "-M. Lomonosov
"Russia- for Russians and in Russian" - Alexander 3, Emperor
"Nationalism in me is so natural that it can never be etched out of me" - Mendeleev D.I.
"I am ready to write on my banner, Russia for Russians and raise this banner as high as possible" -M. Skobelev M. D. Russian general
"We are called to create our own and in our own way, Russian in Russian" - I. Ilyin Russian philosopher
"A nation that does not have a national identity is manure on which other nations grow" - P. Stolypin
"The master of Russia is only Russian, so it is and always will be" - Dostoevsky F.M.

"Anyone who says "Russia for Russians" is just ... or provocateurs, Putin V.V.

Now, these great Russian people would be citizen Putin V.V. and his entourage, with pleasure, attracted under the "Russian" article 282 UK ...

[Chertt]

Quote: Pax tecum

RUSSIAN nationality does not have time, place or situation.

Well of course there is, what a strange statement

Quote: Pax tecum

If you are more Russian than Russian, then there are no questions for you.

A very difficult philosophical and ethical question. This is how to ask who is closer to you, a brother by birth or a brother in spirit

[Pax tecum]

Great comment!
My respect, I share your beliefs.
Just add.
In 2012, V. Putin spoke out against amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation on the “state-forming Russian people”. "Is it dangerous. We don’t need this, ”he said, responding in the State Duma to the question of the deputy from the Communist Party, film director Vladimir Bortko.
According to Putin, the introduction of such an amendment will automatically make part of the Russian population first-class people. The amendment to the Constitution of the Russian Federation rejected by Putin consists in replacing the phrase "multinational people of the Russian Federation" with the phrase "Russian people and peoples of the Russian Federation, united by a common destiny on their land."

PS Even in the Soviet Constitution and the RSFSR there was a mention of the word "Russian" precisely in the context of "Russian people and other peoples."
This talker-guarantor has said a lot more, but this is a separate issue.

[210ox]

Good in quotation marks .... How can I imagine these faces in 91 .... Hands itch to open a safe with weapons. Why then were we so tolerant? Was there not enough sausage?

Quote: AL176STM30

Any state can collapse, especially if good people will help it intensely from the outside.

[novel66]

all our trouble was that we believed in newspapers and television

[210ox]

That's it .. And all sorts of diving at rallies ..

Quote: novel xnumx

all our trouble was that we believed in newspapers and television

[Kleber]

Quote: 210ox

Was there no sausage?

So in the United States they think that the Soviet Union collapsed due to sausage. That is to give Russia sausages and it will break up.
They are children. ))))))))))))))))

[siberalt]

Yugoslavia collapsed Americans and NATO. But VNA Ukraine to climb their hands is short. Russia will not allow it.

[Pax tecum]

Yugoslavia collapsed Americans and NATO. But VNA Ukraine to climb their hands is short. Russia will not allow

Buddy They have long been there. From the beginning of 1990's ... Yes, and the process is already underway.

[Spartanez300]

Here's what Bismarck wrote about how to make Russians and Ukrainians enemies.

[Mestny]

He made a mistake.
We will not die from this.
This quote is shaken mainly by those who long for the collapse of Russia.

[abc_alex]

It's fake. Bismarck never said that. In his time, the very concept of Ukraine did not exist in the sense used in this fake.

[Mestny]

Yes, I know.
But in this case it is not important.
Just such statements are used in the information war.

[DMB_95]

Quote: Spartanez300

Here is what Bismarck wrote about how to make Russians and Ukrainians enemies ........

Even if Bismarck wrote this, he did not want to fight with Russia under any circumstances. And did not advise others.

[Kleber]

Quote: Spartanez300

Here's what Bismarck wrote about how to make Russians and Ukrainians enemies.

Fake. At the time of Bismarck, there were no Ukrainians, just like Ukraine. There was Small and New Russia ...

[Kleber]

Never fight with the Russians. For each of your military tricks they will respond with unpredictable stupidity.

This phrase is documented by historians.

[Yrec]

In Rada, the period of spring vanganie began.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

They wanted to be farmers and the outskirts of Russia .. Yes it will be so! You will not see more of the high-tech industry ..

[oldzek]

I read somewhere that the Ukraine project was born in the General Staff of the Austro-Hungarian Empire before the WWII.

[jjj]

This is such a modern trend - to pull the state. Those who cannot resist it crumble

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: jjj

This is such a modern trend - to pull the state. Those who cannot resist it crumble

Yes, it’s not so modern ... It’s always been like that ... You can’t grab it, tear it from the inside ... Then, take off the foam

[rotmistr60]

Ukrainian authorities "have no right to allow the collapse of the state"

Where is this power? This is probably the bunch of "true Ukrainians" who are fixated on the sack of the country, the destruction of their people and fierce hatred of Russia? Hungary, Poland, Romania have long been rubbing their hands in anticipation.

[LSA57]

Quote: rotmistr60

Hungary, Poland, Romania have long been rubbing their hands in anticipation.

sleeping and seeing. if the regime sways a little, they will pounce all together and tear

[novel66]

we will participate

[LSA57]

Quote: novel xnumx

we will participate

Well, where are we going?

[rutskiy]

vaterland on the western borders?

[rutskiy]

PRESENT AUTHORITY HAS NO RIGHT ... end of quote

[Heterocapsa]

that kind of decay. America has also been falling apart for 500 years. Ukraine has been freezing since 2014 in winter without gas.
Nothing to fall apart. The American dollar will keep it from collapsing. The Baltic states have not collapsed. It's the same.

[LSA57]

Quote: Heterocapsa

The Baltic states did not fall apart

and what pieces does she fall apart? Yes and no to her

[rutskiy]

pieces of chopped paper rule the minds of people. used to be calculated by pebbles ... now by paper ... progress

[rutskiy]

Columbus - the main?

[Vard]

“He has no right to allow the collapse of the state,” otherwise the current leaders will simply be “cursed” by the descendants. But I think the opposite ... they will say thanks ... for it is said ... a terrible end is better than horror without an end ...

[Fedoslov]

Ukraine will not fall apart (for the time being), "partners" will not give. But Russia, with its raw materials economy, incompetent leadership, an aging population, is slowly moving toward collapse.

[Dormidont]

Cool hutspa

[rutskiy]

china will save you :)

[evil partisan]

This Shufrich is just as corrupt shit as everyone there in Rada. Just supporting parashenko has now become so unprofitable in the long run that many (even Lyashko) suddenly see and dramatically change their rhetoric, remaining corrupt rot inside. As soon as the presidential and parliamentary elections are held, all the "opposition" will again saddle the "patriotic" rhetoric. Reduced social responsibility - it’s so ...

[Mestny]

Quote: 210ox

.How can I imagine these faces in 91 .... Hands itch to open a safe with weapons. Why then were we so tolerant? Was there not enough sausage?

Exactly. Sausages. In a literal sense.
After 70 years of building socialism, the world's most advanced citizens of the most advanced country with the best education in the world - still wanted to eat deliciously and dress well. Not all is over, but the vast majority.
No calls to stop thumping, stealing, lounging and finally starting to work, starting with oneself did not work. Everyone believed that the state should give them everything. The intensity of these Wishlist was such that our current nervously smokes around the corner. Moreover, the comparison was very popular - "but in America everything is different." Why is it different?
And here - "because there is democracy, and everything is there for man, and we have swindlers and thieves for power."
How it all ended - you know yourself.
Would you like to repeat?
Here one "Fedor" above writes:

But Russia, with its raw materials economy, incompetent leadership, an aging population, is slowly moving toward collapse.

And here it is how - the more these “fedors” are, the faster the scenario of movement towards collapse is realized.
Then such "fedors" sat in the kitchens, smoking rooms of the research institute, just smoking rooms, and massively loudly broadcast about how to equip the country, and all together came to the conclusion that it was necessary to immediately get rid of power - and then we would live. The idea of ​​not stealing, and they didn’t even get the idea to start working.

[Fedoslov]

I don’t understand why you suddenly attacked me. Do you deny all of the above problems? You think that they do not exist?
The fact that the people are to blame, so I also do not deny. But at the moment, the top management itself will lead to collapse and will lead, even if the population is absolutely passive politically.

[Mestny]

I'm not on you, honestly. Do not be offended.
The population is just politically active. But only politically.
Here is an example.
In our city, the authorities started the reconstruction of one of the parks. Trees there, paths and stuff. The project was presented for 4 months. Posters, the media - all things. The population was invited for discussion and suggestions. In response - deathly silence.
The authorities waited 4 months, and began the reconstruction. Immediately on the Internet, a universal howl arose that everything was wrong, not there, and the money was stolen. Nothing will turn out, they will ruin everything, and the government is naturally to blame for this.
In addition to this political activity, there is of course no help from the population, from the word at all.
Is that how?
And so, that empty near-political kitchen chatter, about which I wrote. And it’s finished, for some reason, they all owe it, in this incumbent power. I have to do as each of them wants, but they don’t say the right thing ... A riddle.

[rutskiy]

sofa troops do not sleep being a hero on the Internet is easier and more reliable

[DON-100]

Four years already to these prophecies, everything falls apart and falls apart. I remember how many comments were in 2014-15 about the imminent collapse of Ukraine, about the creation of New Russia, the maps of which all the time flashed in the comments. Now the stubborn must believe in such a development of events. By the way, there was such hope in Ukraine and is still there, just the opposite about the collapse of Russia, it is one and the same type of cheers, by coincidence, some live in Russia and others in Ukraine, swap them and they will drown already on the other side))

[Salomet]

Got out. He did not say that in order for Ukraine to fall apart there should be a conflict of financial interests tied to the territory. The exact opposite is observed. Gas, throughout Ukraine, electricity, too, which of the tycoons will share their empire.
Until the command arrives, do not fall apart. And if they will share, then I think as always they did in the West, so that 4-5 territories that are always warring are formed. By the way, Russia should think about such a move of the West. They may well put such a pig at the borders and wash their hands. Then they will blame you.

[rutskiy]

I've been born and raised in essesere. and also not very politically active. but for some reason I still remember the former times. at least there wasn’t much drowsiness. but they went to bed quietly. for the GREAT country STANDED FOR ME. the empire is the empire. a small man in the street lives more calmly in a large, strong country and not in a village. he is hostile to a neighboring village

[gukoyan]

So Yugoslavia helped to fall apart ...

[romb]

Yellow heading. One politician blurted out his subjective opinion, the journalists immediately picked up. If you take it that way, such thoughts in bulk in relation to any state, including Russia.

[Mestny]

Now, in the era of mass communication media, when almost every journalist himself, the concept of "yellow headline" is no longer relevant. The flow of information is so great, and the content is so unreliable that just a person can’t figure it out without special knowledge and a lot of time.
Faknews rules the world. Couch troops.

[Kleber]

Quote: 210ox

Was there no sausage?

So in the US they think that the Soviet Union broke up because of the sausage. That is to give Russia sausages and it will break up.
They are children. ))))))))))))))))

[Mestny]

Union. Correctly in Russian - Union, with a capital letter.
This is a simplification of course. Not because of sausage, but because Soviet ideology was not able to massively raise a “new Soviet man”, as was said from all the irons throughout the history of the USSR. This very man for the sake of a brighter future, the happiness of all people on Earth, should have been smart, educated builder and creator, regardless of the presence of sausage and other benefits.
But it turned out that people still mainly want to eat deliciously and dress well.
And what the USSR actually built, and what we all lost, became clear only after 15 years after the joyful funeral of our own country. And even then not everyone.
And then there were even fewer such understanding ones.

[Kleber]

One hand is busy with a glass of beer, and I already have a big bucket.

[Normal ok]

Quote: Mestny

And then there were even fewer such understanding ones.

I was still serving then, and I seemed to understand everything. But, the general attitude of the officers of our regiment was such - hell knows what is going on, wait for the team.

[Fedoslov]

So what? Yes, Russia has gone through another problematic stage of development in order to make a breakthrough again. As Mendeleev said, the national idea of ​​Russia is to preserve and continue development.
And indeed, it is kindness, honesty and truth that are primary. And the fact that the Union could not bring it up in people - so it did the matter in another, no less important. It is because of the fact that the people believed in fact in utopian, but in bright and pure principles, we live now.

[Ingvar0401]

Quote: LSA57

Quote: Heterocapsa

The Baltic states did not fall apart

and what pieces does she fall apart? Yes and no to her

Sergey, I agree with you. What besides sprat and milk to take from them?

[Heterocapsa]

landlocked take

[UMA-UMA]

Oh damn. Ukraine has been prophesied about collapse, decay, and the catastrophe for 5 years. But she doesn’t, she costs herself and increase her credit ratings, unlike Russia. So she also captures the Russian courts, and we only express our concern.

[Orionvit]

Quote: UMA-UMA

But she’s worth it to herself

She does not stand (and never stood), she has long been lying. A person in a coma, with a failed heart, brain, lungs, kidneys and other organs, can be in a borderline condition for a long time, while life support devices are connected to it. But in fact, he has long been dead. The same Ukraine has long been dead, just the West maintains the appearance of a "state of Ukraine." Only the support of the West (primarily political) will disappear, the next day Ukraine will not.

[alexmach]

Also news to me. It just doesn’t fall apart in itself, at least one more round of turbulence is needed, comparable in scale to the last Maidan.

[Orionvit]

Ukraine may fall apart just like Yugoslavia at one time

Yugoslavia did not fall apart, it was purposefully destroyed, just like the Soviet Union. In human society there are no uncontrollable processes, if something happens, it means someone needs it and someone manages it.

[Normal ok]

Verkhovna Rada deputy from the Opposition Bloc faction Nestor Shufrich.

Well this is one more "ass". Before the election, why not "declare".

[NF68]

Breaking it does not build. A lot of mind is not necessary.

[mavrus]

Yes, they are cursed anyway, and not only the descendants, but also the living. With us, Yeltsin will be betrayed with his shobla, there Poroshenko with the junta.

[aleks.29ru]

The process is going on. No wonder the Bolsheviks hung a stone on the neck of the autonomous in the form of the Donbass. It resembles a fly bitten by a spider. Buzzing, but already digested.

[rutskiy]

Rumors like bullets
The news is oppressive
Sea of ​​wide eyes
You cheated again
The ones that lead you
The holiday begins now
You can dig in
And don't believe in the light
The box scares you every hour
I'm tired of being afraid
There is no more fear
The holiday begins now
And your way
And your birthplace
And the light that never went out
And a piece of God
Everything in you
The holiday begins now