Armenia on the verge of velvet suicide

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The events unfolding in Armenia are becoming more and more alarming, clearly marking the threat to the very future of the state and the security of Russia's southern borders.





Recall that the rally against the election of former President Sargsyan as Armenian Prime Minister began on April 13, and the next day the participants of the speeches proclaimed the beginning of the “velvet revolution”. The opposition accuses Sargsyan of poor governance of the country and the deterioration of the economic situation, as well as the desire to remain in power at any cost.

As you know, Armenia is our country's partner in the EAEU, the SCO and the CIS, as well as an ally of the CSTO, on its territory there is a Russian military base, which is of key importance not only in ensuring Russian interests in the South Caucasus and the security of our southern borders, but also in protecting sovereignty of Armenia itself. To this we can add that, according to the data of the Armenian Ambassador to Russia Vardan Toganyan, about 2,5 million Armenians (both Russian and Armenian citizens) live in Russia. According to 2011, Armenians were the sixth largest national group in the Russian Federation. This was announced at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum.

That is, everything that is happening today in Yerevan directly concerns our country.

It is also noteworthy that some people announce the culprit of this crisis ... Moscow.

Thus, for example, Russian political analyst Gevorg Mirzayan believes that Russia repeated “Ukrainian mistakes” in Armenia, because it relies on “cooperation with unpopular elites” instead of doing “proper work of nurturing pro-Russian social forces” (read: “pro-Russian” opposition).

Leaving aside the doubtfulness of this recommendation in the context of respecting the state sovereignty of the union state, we note that the pro-Russian opposition to the pro-Russian (as a whole) authorities is an oxymoron.

Actually, relations with Russia are passing through all the protest actions that took place in Armenia in recent years.

This and anti-Russian speeches, which resulted in riots, provoked by the murder of an Armenian family by a Russian deserter, and mass protests on the occasion of an increase in tariffs in the summer of 2015, in which they accused Russia. These actions very quickly acquired political overtones and were held under the slogans of the resignation of “pro-Russian” Serzh Sargsyan and the rejection of an alliance with Moscow in favor of the western vector.

Today, as Andrei Klimov, head of the Commission of the Federation Council for the Protection of State Sovereignty of the Russian Federation, quite rightly noted, in the protests led by anti-Russian politician Nikol Pashinyan, “overseas ears” are clearly observed.

The parliamentarian noted that everything that happens in the republic is the business of the Armenian society, “But you need to understand how much the government was changed in this way in the world,” RIA reports.News"The words of Klimov, who emphasizes that Serzh Sargsyan was under the gun of his opponents, because he" strengthens the integration processes with Russia, the country participates in the work of the EAEU. "

But opponents of Sargsyan see in him those priorities that do not meet their interests and, in particular, the reluctance to move closer to NATO. And indeed it is. All other claims against the newly elected prime minister, including the fair ones, are in fact secondary and no more than a pretext. Well, or bait for "extras."

The true origins and causes of what is happening are obviously of Western origin.

We also add that some representatives of the Armenian diaspora in the West, primarily the United States, are associated with various special services and NGOs affiliated with them, playing an important role in subversive activities. The situation is aggravated by the fact that in Armenia they are considered their own, although in reality they serve the interests of their new and not historical homeland, and in reality, not the Armenians, but the Americans.

The West is "courting" not only the opposition. Recently, the United States and its allies tried to convince the country's leadership to change the vector of strategic development. However, the Armenian authorities, unlike the irresponsible oppositionists and overseas emissaries, are well aware that the union has no alternative to Russia. And this is not the personal interests of the representatives of the leadership, as the opponents of Sargsyan try to convince, but an objective reality.

Armenia is in a state of protracted conflict with Azerbaijan, which at any time could re-launch war. It borders on Turkey, which is openly hostile to it, and Georgia, with which it is very cool. A definite “outlet” for it is Iran, with which good-neighborly relations and close cooperation have been established. However, the Western vector involves the folding of friendship with this country.

The victory of “Maidan” in Armenia will have far more tragic consequences than similar events in Ukraine. The geographical position, margin of safety, technical and demographic potential of the republic are such that the refusal of an alliance with Russia in favor of a ghostly European integration and unattainable (if only because of Turkey’s opposition) NATO membership would mean suicide of Armenia.

And it is from this point of view that the activity of “velvet revolutionaries” who are going to ruin their country should be considered.
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  1. +13
    April 19 2018 05: 09
    In another former republic, a jackal awoke ...
    1. +3
      April 19 2018 07: 49
      "They are children"
    2. +8
      April 19 2018 10: 23
      Should a coup happen in Armenia, our base in Gyumri will end and Karabakh will fall, the last Armenians will flee from Nakhichevan. In Armenia, the Americans will comfortably settle down and the cleaning of the local ones will begin, akin to 1915. belay
      1. +3
        April 19 2018 13: 51
        Nakhichevan has long lost Armenians. And if the Artsakh hadn’t been released, there would have been the same story. This problem was created by Soviet Russia with the then newly appeared, different Turkey.
        The support of the Armenians (Turkey) of the Russian Empire in WWI played a fatal role in the fate of the Armenians, i.e. sweep your way.
        No need to escalate passions; Armenians did not betray the interests of Russia, which cannot be said about Russia itself.
        1. +12
          April 19 2018 14: 34
          Quote: garnik
          Nakhichevan has long lost Armenians. And if the Artsakh hadn’t been released, there would have been the same story. This problem was created by Soviet Russia with the then newly appeared, different Turkey.
          The support of the Armenians (Turkey) of the Russian Empire in WWI played a fatal role in the fate of the Armenians, i.e. sweep your way.
          No need to escalate passions; Armenians did not betray the interests of Russia, which cannot be said about Russia itself.


          Well, yes, as always, Russia is to blame.
          1. +3
            April 19 2018 15: 15
            Well, if you know, explain the cause of the genocide. I never considered the Russian Empire guilty of this tragedy, I even proudly pronounce it. But what the Bolsheviks did was a betrayal not only towards the Armenians, but also towards themselves. Now we are reaping the fruits of the revolution. Only Stalin tried to save the Empire.
        2. +12
          April 19 2018 17: 14
          No need to escalate passions; Armenians did not betray the interests of Russia, which cannot be said about Russia itself.
          Three times Ha.
          But why are the most successful (in terms of money) Armenians living in Russia (in the “traitor” country) and still have Russian citizenship? Money doesn't smell? And who then, if he thinks so? It is even more interesting when Russia played in Krasnodar with Armenia (football) from villages and cities “real Armenians” at the “Kuban” stadium HAD and SCREAMED for the Armenian team. That is, from the Azerbaijani pogroms hit the road to Russia, they made a good gesheft here, "in the hearts of Armenia" and Russia betrayed the interests of the Armenians ??? fool
          1. 0
            April 19 2018 18: 10
            Where did you read that Russia betrayed the Armenians? I do not consider the Bolsheviks to be the successors of the glorious traditions of the Russian Empire. If you recall who ruled the February, and then the October coup. These revolutions were anti-Russian. The same thing happened in Bavaria, Hungary, but activists were suppressed there, but unfortunately not in Russia. Once again, the exception is the times of Stalin's reign.
            If you lived in Germany and the Russian team and your host country met, I wonder who you would be rooting for?
            It’s not too late to convince you and me, so we’ll remain at their own.
            1. +9
              April 19 2018 23: 44
              The Armenians did not betray the interests of Russia, which cannot be said about Russia itself. Your post? Your. For patriotism - I respect and understand the Israelis, the former natives of the USSR, how they defend the interests of their state. I don’t accept their Russophobia, Russiaphobia, which voluntarily or not freely appears in their comments. For flags and football, I answered your question? Where do you live? The question is not for you. You live in a country that has sheltered you, warmed you, gave you and your descendants a means of a comfortable life. And you are moments against her interests. I’m talking about this. Do you like Armenia? For God's sake. Only, not to the detriment of Russia. If you live in it, you earn in it, very often in violation of the law. Check out today's landings in Sochi for illegal construction. Was the Ivanovs detained there? They detained the main architector in Krasnodar, who gave linden for construction. To whom did he give? Take a surname. To those who supported the Armenian team against Russia.
              1. +1
                April 20 2018 01: 04
                Without guarantees from the administration, more than one brick will not be put on the mortar. And guarantors are not responsible for their documents issued for bribes. (I twice made a passport of the Citizen of Russia and twice for a bribe. The passport office workers got away with it, and I forked out thanks for not putting me ..)
                And who is a national bribe taker in the field of construction.
                I watched this story on TV.
                I bought a plot with a hut, started building a house separately from it, they do not give me permission to build on various pretexts. I paid a permit in my hands.
                1. +5
                  April 20 2018 19: 09
                  I'm not trying to say that the Armenians are criminals. You still do not understand my message. I agree for the FMS, there the USB needs to work. I said that if you live in Russia, you live well, better than the main part of the population, then be kind to observe the interests of Russia, and not of other countries.
                  1. +2
                    April 23 2018 14: 04
                    I repeat once again, on the territory of Russia and beyond, you will hardly find a more faithful ally. Belarus does not count for me it is Kievan Rus, the legal successor of which is Russia.
                    And it’s not the fault of people of any nationality that in Russia, and in the CIS countries, as they say, you’ll not help you will not go, alas. The interests of Russia and Armenia are identical.
                    1. +2
                      April 23 2018 20: 01
                      Quote: garnik
                      in Russia and abroad, you can hardly find a more faithful ally

                      Have you read it yourself? What are you speaking about? The President escaped from great loyalty due to family reasons. The country clearly and much faster rolled to death. You are quite in your role - Stalin is not our kind. Yes, it’s tomorrow you Kurds out of habit will cut. How many of you left there to cut? We have no Denikin, Stalin is not good with us. Can you handle it? Or will you blame Putin that you still have not interrupted all the enemies of the Armenian people?
                    2. +1
                      April 24 2018 22: 39
                      Yeah! Faithful ally! laughing

                      It has always been noticeable! Especially when loyal Armenian allies in Yerevan threw eggs at the Russian embassy, ​​covered the GDP with a three-story mat, burned the Russian flag when, in a political and music show called Eurovision, the Armenians defiantly gave 1 point to Russia and 10 points to Ukraine ..... etc. etc.

                      Ally you see! Yeah! Shah! I don’t blame you, Garnik Jan, megalomania is simply genetically invested by Armenians .... but you should not believe in all this and overestimate your imaginary importance.
              2. +8
                April 20 2018 22: 43
                she once betrayed the Ottoman Empire and Persia believe me if the hand of a Russian soldier falters then they will betray us as well until the time has come ..
                1. +2
                  April 23 2018 15: 54
                  The Armenians rebelled against the invaders, and Persia, moreover, do you know history or do you intentionally distort it? For several centuries of relations, the Armenians have never been suspected of treason to the Russian state, moreover, they have always been in the ranks of the Russian army on the Caucasian front. What is good for Russia is favorable to Armenia.
                  1. 0
                    April 24 2018 22: 41
                    negative Above, I have already given examples of your "fidelity"! Do not hang noodles on the ears of people.
        3. +3
          April 19 2018 19: 28
          Quote: garnik
          Nakhichevan has long lost Armenians. And if the Artsakh hadn’t been released, there would have been the same story. This problem was created by Soviet Russia with the then newly appeared, different Turkey.
          The support of the Armenians (Turkey) of the Russian Empire in WWI played a fatal role in the fate of the Armenians, i.e. sweep your way.
          No need to escalate passions; Armenians did not betray the interests of Russia, which cannot be said about Russia itself.

          I think it’s not worthwhile to drive the barrel into the Russian empire and the Russians in particular - if everything had burned out the way you wanted and even could, Armenia would be completely different now. I think you would not give up Armenia from Van to the Black Sea, right?))))). Well, whoever doesn’t take risks doesn’t drink champagne. Well, it didn’t burn out, but they tried, and there were many chances. Kicking a long-dead lion and a living bear is not worth it, ugly.
          1. 0
            April 19 2018 20: 31
            I adore the Russian Empire, if you read my comments earlier. Sorry if I could not convey. I am against those who led to the collapse of RUSSIA. And the “Bricks” were knocked out by the Bolsheviks, from whom the Armenians got it.
            If the Bolsheviks had not come to power, both Van and access to the Black Sea under the San Stefan Treaty would go to Armenia.
            The Bolsheviks decided in their own way, i.e. all the territories occupied by Russians (Armenian volunteers were in assault units.) in the WWII south of Araks, were transferred to the Turks, Nakhichevan, Zangezur and Nagorno-Karabakh at the insistence of Turkey transferred to the newly formed state the so-called Azerbaijan. Thanks to General Nzhdeh, Zangezur managed to defend in a bloody battle with the united Bolshevik-Turkish army.
            1. 0
              April 19 2018 20: 57
              For two years, aid had been supplied to the Turks by arms, food and gold. Thanks to this help, the Turks managed to defeat the Greek army that besieged Ankira (Ankara) and also asked for help from Orthodox Russia. But the choice fell on the Turks. Personally, I can not explain this behavior of the leaders of Soviet Russia.
              It is possible that the Turks were the first to recognize Soviet Russia and form the Communist Party, which was soon banned. I think the Greeks would also thank for their help.
              1. +6
                April 19 2018 23: 47
                Yes, leave the Bolsheviks alone. This is OUR story, good or bad, as it is. At least the Bolsheviks cancer set half the world and the whole of Europe.
                1. 0
                  April 26 2018 23: 20
                  As far as the Bolsheviks were able to notice, the first Russian people to put cancer.
              2. +1
                April 24 2018 23: 04
                Garnik, but you don’t understand! You are so saturated with hatred of Turkey and Russia that you will not understand ..... do not torment yourself!

                And yet, why do you and your brothers always want to translate any, even the smallest, question into the Russian-Turkish plane? Is this a complex?

                PS. The Bolsheviks gave you and your fellow tribesmen schools, kindergartens, houses, theaters, and built you states in the Azerbaijani territories! So stop carrying nonsense against the Bolsheviks.
            2. +6
              April 20 2018 22: 48
              what nonsense I just read which Armenians were there before Alexander the 2nd and there wasn’t any mention of it, but there were such Khanates as the Karabakh Zengesur Erivan Nakhchivan I hope you will not deny this
            3. +3
              April 23 2018 13: 48
              Garnik, you are again for yours ... How could Van or something else go over to a non-existent state called “Armenia” ??? Where was she? Where is its capital? Who was her ruler ??? Again, breed mythology.
            4. +2
              April 24 2018 22: 57
              Yes, you Garnik, give Anderson a head start with your tales!

              You see, Karabakh, Zangezur and Nakhichevan were given to Azerbaijan. Whoever owned these lands returned to!


              PS. And you (including all Armenians) and o-ba-for-s idolize Russia! Because it is thanks to Russia that you today have your own state, the so-called Armenia. Otherwise, they would have remained the subjects of the Ottoman Empire and would have waited for the weakening of the Empire to stick a knife in the back and engage in collaboration.

              As for the bricks ...... but nothing that your fellow tribesmen were one of the first to knock the bricks out of the foundation of the USSR and took first row, first place in the collapse ?!

              And yet, what kind of Nzhdeh are you talking about? About the fascist and accomplice of Hitler, to whom you erected a monument in Yerevan?

              PS. I wonder what kind of Armenia would the seas go to? laughing To the one that was not already 2500 years old? laughing
          2. +3
            April 19 2018 23: 45
            Nice post, thanks.
        4. +10
          April 19 2018 19: 54
          Garnik spoke. more precisely. fenced, as I understand it, we must always fight for you. you have no time. you are in our markets
          1. +1
            April 19 2018 21: 00
            You did not understand me or I incorrectly conveyed my thought.
            1. 0
              April 26 2018 13: 05
              Everybody understands the lies, deceit and other things that you’re fooling around here. And you are just offended by the fact that they understand.
        5. +2
          April 24 2018 22: 30
          "Dear" representative of the country where in the center of the capital they erected a monument to the Armenian fascist Nzhdeh, that is, the servant of Hitler who fought against the USSR, that is, our grandfathers, my appeal to you!

          Karabakh, that is, the internationally recognized subject of the Republic of Azerbaijan, was occupied by Armenian gangs and from the fact that you are nonsense about the alleged release and distort the toponym, calling Karabakh Artsakh, the Armenians will not become white and fluffy!

          Secondly, in the entire history of your existence, you have officially betrayed Russia twice! This is when in the 90th year in a hurry they left the USSR among the first and when they left the Romanov Empire in the 18th year. This is official! So do not make yourself innocent angels! About your other betrayals and trips against Russia, perhaps until I keep silent.

          PS. And yet, since when is collaboration called support, huh? You have betrayed the Ottoman Empire. Call a spade a spade.

          PPP. A betrayer once, always betray anyone.
      2. 0
        April 20 2018 00: 53
        Everything will not do with Karabakh, I think.
        Azerbaijan on the one hand and Turkey on the other will devour Armenia. Give them the go-ahead.
        Therefore, the Armenians will wake up and disperse. And if they don’t disperse, Sargsyan will help them.
        1. 0
          April 23 2018 20: 16
          Quote: Black_Jacket
          And if they don’t disperse,

          Kurds are not satisfied with the alliance with the United States. The states need to throw something to the Kurds. Armenians, look at the market - they can seem to count. Are you missing the genocide? Democracy wanted? Not fools, like. Near an example in full growth. Stalin is not good for them ... Foolish ... They talk about the empire ... And the place for Kurdistan is just right ...
      3. 0
        April 23 2018 13: 35
        Sibirbalt, there have been no Armenians in Nakhchivan since 1989.
    3. 0
      April 20 2018 05: 58
      Hmm, do you think everyone was asleep there before?
    4. 0
      April 21 2018 22: 44
      unfortunate racist, a whole Armenian norod on the streets today, these jackals are you, Putin's slave
      1. +1
        April 23 2018 20: 18
        Quote: sfvalleyguy1
        whole Armenian norod on the streets today

        Oh, pin.dos revived. I’ve got a smell of it.
  2. +25
    April 19 2018 05: 50
    With such friends and enemies it’s not necessary. I don’t see any reason to consider Armenia as any kind of friendly or allied state. And that bouza is a normal national fun. Whoever won. Pay for Russia
    1. +8
      April 19 2018 07: 55
      But it seems you really have no friends ... From the word "completely" ....
      Quote: apro
      With such friends and enemies it’s not necessary. I don’t see any reason to consider Armenia as any kind of friendly or allied state. And that bouza is a normal national fun. Whoever won. Pay for Russia
      1. +5
        April 19 2018 08: 54
        Quote: 210ox
        But it seems you really have no friends ... From the word "completely" ....

        Ukraine Russia Belarus one people. One state. Other hangers-on.
        1. 0
          April 19 2018 10: 15
          Po etomu i ukraintci ubivajut russkix. mmda. Po moemu chto proisxodit na Ukraine eto proigrish rasiskogo rukavodstva i neponimanie vedenie sevodneshnej vojni, kotori i nachali zapodniki protiv rossii Inas.
          1. +1
            April 19 2018 19: 31
            Quote: mgero
            Po etomu i ukraintci ubivajut russkix. mmda. Po moemu chto proisxodit na Ukraine eto proigrish rasiskogo rukavodstva i neponimanie vedenie sevodneshnej vojni, kotori i nachali zapodniki protiv rossii Inas.

            I doubt very much that a loss, not yet an evening, the struggle is with varying success. This is a long, interesting story, in short - life.
          2. +1
            April 21 2018 19: 40
            Quote: mgero
            Po etomu i ukraintci ubivajut russkix.

            In Ukraine, Ukrainians kill Ukrainians and Russians kill Russians. The question there is not nationality, whatever Rush Tudey would tell you. And in the choice of the development vector: Western or Russian.
    2. +4
      April 19 2018 14: 04
      apro (Oleg Frolov)

      You are a provocateur, and most likely I can’t disguise myself as an avatar with the Russian flag. I am sure that the majority of the ill-wishers of Russia plus you.
      If Armenians are oppressed in national republics, the next will be Russians. I myself am from Central Asia, there were always Armenians and Russians among my friends, together they defended their rights in clashes with the locals and there have never been a showdown between us. One of the reasons for moving to Russia.
      1. +1
        April 19 2018 14: 26
        Quote: garnik
        I am from Central Asia

        what And from where exactly?
        1. +1
          April 19 2018 14: 55
          Turkmenistan, Kizyl-Arvat, now Serdar .. The headquarters of the 58th division was located.
          1. +1
            April 19 2018 14: 58
            Quote: garnik
            together defended their rights in clashes with local

            On what basis did you have clashes with the locals?
            1. 0
              April 19 2018 15: 23
              Yes, there’s a boy’s showdown, mainly Russians and Armenians lived in the city, and the Turkic-speaking Persians who made them Azerbaijanis in the 60s, before that they did not have passports in their hands. And locals lived on the periphery. They went around the city in heaps, and they went to the city in the same way.
              1. +2
                April 19 2018 16: 42
                The friendship of peoples in the USSR flourished) I myself am from Middle Asia, Russian. In the school class there was a small model of the world by nationality: Russians, Tatars, Koreans, Uzbeks, Jews, Kazakhs, Chechens))))) What is characteristic, there were no questions of nationalities at all.
                1. +1
                  April 19 2018 20: 37
                  Quote: cast iron
                  questions of nationalities did not arise at all.

                  good Well, I'm from Frunze, the same story!
                  Quote: cast iron
                  Russians, Tatars, Koreans, Uzbeks, Jews, Kazakhs, Chechens

                  what By the composition of nationalities two cities come to mind ..... Nukus? Chew?
                  1. 0
                    April 20 2018 10: 04
                    The glorious city of Tashkent)))
                    1. +2
                      April 20 2018 11: 00
                      Quote: cast iron
                      The glorious city of Tashkent)))

                      good A Korean from Tashkent studied with me! wassat Tashkent I forgot!
                      drinks Good luck fellow countryman!
                      1. 0
                        April 23 2018 20: 26
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Korean studied with me

                        from the farm Leningrad near Tashkent. He had 2 sets of documents, so he entered the universities most suitable for Tashkent: LIVT (Rechflot) and ... I don’t remember. Something related to the forest.
              2. +2
                April 20 2018 11: 03
                Kizyl-Arvat, a glorious Russian city on the border of Karakum and Kopetdag !!!
                drinks
                1. +2
                  April 20 2018 12: 13
                  Sergey, I respect the Russian people, but in twins who lived in Central Asia and the Caucasus, they are slightly different.
                  Unfortunately, the city is no longer Russian. How stupidly lost. Good luck. drinks
              3. +2
                April 21 2018 18: 23
                also lived in Nebit-Dag. It’s not interesting in the quarter what nationality are you, the most important honor of the quarter.
                1. 0
                  April 26 2018 13: 49
                  Directions stopped in Nebit-Dag. Yes, at the expense of nationality there was no question. Already from the 70s there were local people in our circle, but they were against the Aul schools with us .. There were two Russian schools and there were regular skirmishes between us .. In my eyes, my street is from Russian Armenian became Turkmen. What should be expected. And Nebit Dag (Balkanabad) is a relatively young city. It’s a little different.
      2. +3
        April 20 2018 06: 12
        Dialectics, my friend, dialectics. In order to overthrow the autocracy, the working class can enter into an alliance not only with the peasantry and the petty bourgeoisie, but also with the big bourgeoisie. Churchill also said that if Hitler invaded Hell, then I (Churchill) would at least respond favorably to Satan.
        You are on the basis of local particular cases, one might say individual cases, trying to draw global conclusions. And besides, you have the audacity to blame others who do not agree with you that they are fools, not you.
        So I once lived in Transcarpathia. There were Russians, Ukrainians, Magyars, Jews, Gypsies, there were Slovaks, Poles, Romanians ... of which only temporary unions were not formed there. So what ? Is it possible to draw at least some far-reaching conclusions based on childhood memories?
      3. +2
        April 23 2018 13: 55
        Garnik, why do you have an Armenian citizen of Russia, a native of Turkmenistan, an avatar with a Georgian flag ????? You do not understand at all who and whose interests they dispute ...
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      5. +1
        April 24 2018 23: 15
        @ garnik If Armenians are oppressed in national republics, the following will be Russians (C)

        laughing It turns out the last hope of the Russians and Russia is the Armenians. lol Yes, you are just ooooooooooochen big, but wrong, opinions about yourself. laughing Megalomania!
  3. +15
    April 19 2018 05: 56
    It seems the Armenians stepped on a rake less often ... It is better to shoot a couple of hundred demonstrators than to let their country be drowned in blood ...
    1. +1
      April 19 2018 18: 46
      Vard Today, 05: 56
      You are with such advice, be careful! And then tomorrow at the UN they will make statements that the Sargsyan regime used chemical weapons against peaceful demonstrators. Well, the consequences are possible, in the form of cruise missiles.
      And I agree with your opinion, just do not shoot, but isolate from society.
    2. 0
      April 21 2018 22: 45
      You are an ordinary Russian fascist
      1. +3
        April 22 2018 09: 26
        As I understand it, your nickname is translated as a representative of minorities who prefer oral relations ... Fu ... I’ll go over the screen and keyboard with alcohol ...
  4. +11
    April 19 2018 05: 59
    It is they who are following the path of Ukraine, not us. As much as possible we have done and are doing. And the overseas uncle will quickly establish the ownership of Karabakh.
    1. +9
      April 19 2018 08: 23
      Exactly. Armenians should remember that the victory of the Maidan is paid by the territories. Georgians, Serbs and Ukrainians will confirm.
      1. +15
        April 19 2018 10: 19
        Only calm. And an exceptionally pragmatic position! The time has come when Russia has no right to behave differently. On the ruins of the red empire a mass of pseudo-independent pseudo-states was formed, most of the peoples of which, if not more, continue to believe that Russia owes them something and has not given anything! This does not interfere with their "independence"! As you and I well know, pride attacks begin at the moment when it’s time to pay the bills! You can talk a lot about the influence of the USA - of course they do! But this is not only the point! As in Ukraine, these grains of influence are falling in fertile soil in Armenia! Talk to the Armenians ... Even from those living in Russia you will definitely hear something like - we would have returned Ararat long ago! Putin does not give! This is both verbatim and generalized and it is a fact! They will definitely tell you to whom Russia should sell weapons and to whom not! They don’t care at all whether Russia needs a conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh or not, they will explain to you on their fingers that if it weren’t for Russia they would ... Look above about Mount Ararat! Let's face it - this is the direct influence of generations born in the USSR, when Russia and Belarus only gave! Everyone and constantly! This is a habit that has turned into a mentality. Look at Eastern Europe - they turned away from us as soon as the metropolis began to weaken! Did they help us ?! They didn’t even think about it; almost all of them are already in NATO! Those who say that the Americans are well done, but we are not modifying it, I recommend looking at the US allies in the last attack on Syria ... Do we need such allies?!?! If the Armenians decided to commit suicide by collective suicide, then even the next heroic Bayazet arranged by us will not save them! So, what I want to say is that the internal situation in Armenia is the business of the Armenians themselves! Of course, there are thinking people who understand what the Western vector of development leads to, all the more so in such a "friendly" environment as the Armenians! These people should explain to compatriots who is their friend and who is not! And we will certainly help them! If such people are an insignificant minority, then we should not split our forehead against the wall and very much delve into the trepidation of the Armenian mentality! Russia is not the Lord God! And buying allies turns against the buyers themselves! Our business is our priorities and of course the army and navy!
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          1. +2
            April 20 2018 18: 42
            What you write about five thousand years of living contradicts even the official version of the story.
            1. 0
              April 20 2018 19: 29
              What you write about five thousand years of living contradicts even the official version of the story.

              To be more precise, the Armenian state is 4510 years old. Starting from the country of Hayas, the Assyrian is a country of highs. The self-name of the Armenians Hai. But for some reason, many believe the rise of the Armenian state begins with the first mention of the word Armenia, by the name of one of the many tribes of Urartu, although the Hayas tribe also belonged to this alliance.
              1. +3
                April 20 2018 21: 42
                You didn’t mix anything up? This is not the program "Good Nights, Kids", in which the kids tell various tales for the night.
                1. +1
                  April 23 2018 20: 44
                  Quote: Alex1117
                  You didn’t mix anything up?

                  They didn’t confuse anything. Smell - Sumerians smelled. They will soon remember that they first dug up the sea. And they also fed the builders of the pyramids in Egyptian resorts with their bread. Aunt will come with a bag of cookies from Washington, they will start jumping.
              2. +2
                April 22 2018 11: 41
                Are you already determined, are you Haya or Armenians? According to one version, the Armenians once lived, but the hai came and destroyed them and took over everything that the Armenians owned. According to another version, they mixed up. The third version is that there was no Armenian state at all, the name Armenia is a toponym, mountain, etc. And everything else is well-conceived by hiami. The latest version is very similar to the truth.
          2. +2
            April 22 2018 11: 37
            Quote: xtur
            And Armenians have been living in the region of Ararat for 5 years - are you even able to imagine this figure?

            5000 years ago, Neanderthals lived there). But seriously, where at that time other peoples lived, since you already explain such an expert. On Mars? Or there were none at all and only Armenians lived on planet Earth).
      2. 0
        April 23 2018 20: 33
        Quote: sergey32
        Armenians should remember that the victory of the Maidan is paid by the territories

        I'm afraid that the territory will be cleared of the population. It’s very smart, who will like it ...
    2. 0
      April 19 2018 09: 25
      If in Armenia everything is greatly promoted, then at the very peak of promotion, Azerbaijan will go for the power return of Karabakh.
      1. +5
        April 19 2018 13: 31
        Maybe. There are options for the development of events and impact ... However, if liberals rushing to it now come to power in Armenia with the support of nationalists, a real war will be unleashed! Russia does not need such a development of events. However, there are options for action in this case too ... The Azerbaijanis will not like these options and the Armenians will definitely not like it!
        I already said yesterday about this - allied relations presuppose a mutually beneficial basis, and not the exclusive extraction of material profit on one side in exchange for flattering smiles and promises of "following the path of building communism!" Constant speculation already turning into blackmail by some part of the Armenian society about the military base of Russia is not an indicator of the cunning of Armenians, but rather stupidity! Russia will solve its problems as a result, but Armenia’s problems will begin not only with security ... The problems will be with the Armenians themselves, who will instantly turn into refugees! So the Armenians should decide their fate themselves - now! And of course, many of our other brothers or no longer brothers should understand well that the holiday of amazing generosity on the part of Russia is over! From the word at all!
      2. +2
        April 19 2018 14: 58
        Quote: Vadim237
        If in Armenia everything is greatly promoted, then at the very peak of promotion, Azerbaijan will go for the power return of Karabakh.

        This will only rally the people, and they will quickly forget about the demonstrations.
      3. +1
        April 20 2018 08: 21
        > then at the very peak of promotion, Azerbaijan will go for the forceful return of Karabakh.

        that is why this peak of promotion has not been achieved for 30 years - the first rallies in Yerevan were in 1988, and since then they have not stopped - there may have been a break for a year - another, but in general everything was exactly the same
      4. +1
        April 20 2018 23: 02
        Azerbaijan benefits from diplomatic victory because Aliyev is a diplomat rather than a military one, he will wait for new steps from the new authorities to solve the Karabagh problem, and finally this gang of Karabakh led by Serge will leave and the ruler will come from Armenia and put an end to this war
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  5. +7
    April 19 2018 06: 10
    I completely agree with G. Mirzoyan. The direction of the CIS in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs must be dispersed for professional unsuitability.
    Note to the author - the pro-Russian power / opposition is not needed "as a whole". It should be ours without quotes, completely. Ukraine, by the way, is precisely because of “the whole pro-Russian” Yanukovych and banged.
    1. +1
      April 19 2018 16: 47
      The direction of the CIS in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs only fulfills the will of the government. Therefore, the government must be dispersed, which is impossible, because there is no one to replace the Dvorkovichs, Chubais, Medvedevs, Siluanovs and Nabiulins. They are irreplaceable !!!
  6. +3
    April 19 2018 06: 18
    After the inauguration, our president will announce the composition of the new government. It is clear that you shouldn’t be hysterical, but you should think about how to live on if the previous government remains. And the unrest in Yerevan was a year ago. Only they turned out to be related to electricity tariffs. Maybe it’s not worth making an elephant out of a fly for now?
    1. +4
      April 19 2018 14: 33
      Quote: Vladivostok1969
      After the inauguration, our president will announce the composition of the new government. It is clear that you shouldn’t be hysterical, but you should think about how to live on if the previous government remains. And the unrest in Yerevan was a year ago. Only they turned out to be related to electricity tariffs. Maybe it’s not worth making an elephant out of a fly for now?

      Thanks, the only sound comment! hi
    2. +2
      April 19 2018 16: 20
      Quote: Vladivostok1969
      Maybe it’s not worth making an elephant out of a fly?

      So, it’s known (though not for everyone) about the Armenian folk fun “Hang Serzhik”. laughing Well, they came out ... well, they yelled ... they took someone ... someone ogreb ... everything. And again dill with envy will envy the Armenians, who were dispersed. laughing
    3. 0
      April 20 2018 00: 24
      I agree. Western media are silent about this. They don’t give out cookies, foreign ministers do not come to reassure. It looks like a local mess.
  7. +9
    April 19 2018 06: 24
    Yes, and to hell with them! They want, like the Ukrainians, their maidan and "lace panties", let them get! How much can you babysit with them?
    And we just need to step aside and watch their madness, guarding our borders from them, but in no case then help them when they understand after a couple of years what they have plagued and howled so that Russia can save them ...
    Themselves ... now only ourselves ... Enough with us!
    1. +6
      April 19 2018 06: 30
      Quote: Brigadier
      Themselves ... now only ourselves ... Enough with us!

      From give pockets are torn! There are many problems in the country and there are no many financial solutions, but we keep other countries and forgive them all.
    2. +4
      April 19 2018 16: 51
      Do not worry about the Armenians. The road-building Armenian mafia has been working in Russia for a long time - it will help its brothers with finances. Also in the Moscow region. Armenians sell sand from quarries to Russians and are engaged in waste disposal on a space scale in closed landfills))) They will also help their brothers. In Russia, there are also two Armenian television resources - NTV channel and Life News news resource - they will tell the Russians how to help the Armenian brothers)))))
      1. +3
        April 20 2018 20: 45
        Quote: cast iron
        Also in the Moscow region. Armenians sell sand from Russian quarries and are engaged in waste disposal on a space scale in closed landfills))) They will also help their brothers. In Russia, there are also two Armenian television resources - NTV channel and Life News news resource - they will tell the Russians how to help the Armenian brothers)))))

        Forgot about TNT. Since June 2016, TNT-Teleset JSC is headed by the head of the Gazprom Media Entertainment TV subholding, Arthur Janibekyan [11].
        We add here far from poor Armenians from the sphere of show business, Martirosyans, Galustyan, etc. And a bunch of other rich Armenians.
        Quote: cast iron
        they will tell the Russians how to help the Armenian brothers)))))

        And at the head of all this is Baghdasarov, Shakhnazarov and others to tell how to help)))
        1. 0
          April 20 2018 21: 39
          But Khachaturov was arrested recently laughing
        2. +2
          April 22 2018 00: 13
          Sorry for the typo. I meant TNT, not NTV))) By the way, a lot of thieves in law of Armenian, Georgian and others hang around in Russia. We, too, should help them shoe the Russian people.
        3. 0
          April 23 2018 13: 21
          Remember your and most importantly Agalarov, a friend of the Trump family. And the fact that he contributed to the victory of Trump in the elections. Therefore, the claims of amers to Russia on this issue are not unfounded.
          At the expense of the Armenians from the "box", not all of them are respected among the Armenians.
          1. 0
            April 23 2018 13: 30
            Quote: garnik
            At the expense of Armenians from the "box", not all of them are respected among Armenians

            But the sense of the Armenian oligarchs for the Armenians and Armenia is several times greater than that of Azerbaijan. The only normal in this regard was Telman Ismailov.
            And these Agalarovs are typical Russian oligarchs. In the Russian Federation, they allocate fire and mourn the fire for those who died in Azerbaijan and those who die, they can’t even post a post in inst.
            And the Martirosyans, Galustyan, etc. even the Independence Day of Armenia post, how many Armenian oligarchs allocated money in Karabakh, for residents, for projects.
            Therefore, the sense from yours is a million times greater for your relatives than from ours and even more so from these Agalarovs.
    3. +1
      April 20 2018 08: 19
      > And to hell with them! Like Ukrainians, they want their Maidan

      oh you are a hero, do you even know that the first rallies in Armenia were in 1988, and since then they have never stopped. And do not compare us with different epigones anymore
  8. +1
    April 19 2018 06: 53
    The plot is painfully familiar to everyone, like the article (I do not blame the author, iron arguments). Only about the situation of the people, under the ex-president, at least something. What he divorced in Armenia, neither political scientists need to listen, but ordinary Armenians. Now the opposition, and everything is the same as in Ukraine and the common people, from their words, Pashinyan - for the people, the repeated stupidity of certain revolutions. But try to convince people. It has matured over the years. And we, Russia, naturally need a ruler there, an adversary of the United States. What to hide. And what kind of people it will be for the people - to us hell. In short - the whole world is a mess .... So it remains either to dictate to the people, or let them vote for whom they want.
  9. +14
    April 19 2018 07: 06
    Armenia is rapidly moving towards its own annihilation. Turkey and Azerbaijan will quickly explain to the revolutionaries on whose land they are, regardless of the opinion of the Armenians themselves.
    There is only one advice: no mind - buy an accordion. That's just no one else needs help, thanks anyway. But the problem of Karabakh and Nakhichevan will be solved automatically, no one else will have complaints.
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    2. +1
      April 20 2018 23: 06
      yes here Armenian youth for Europe and the EU have long been clear so that we are standing at their borders it’s time to turn off 102Base and FSB officers from the borders and leave, let Europe protect them as Ukraine
  10. +3
    April 19 2018 07: 36
    Quote: hbvkzyby
    I completely agree with G. Mirzoyan. The direction of the CIS in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs must be dispersed for professional unsuitability.
    Note to the author - the pro-Russian power / opposition is not needed "as a whole". It should be ours without quotes, completely. Ukraine, by the way, is precisely because of “the whole pro-Russian” Yanukovych and banged.


    It’s not only to disperse them, to bring them to criminal responsibility, as traitors and accomplices need mattress special services. These are real sleeping, in the literal and figurative sense. Hiding behind liberal slogans of tolerance, law-abiding right, these traitors pro_sra_li all Russian interests in the post-Soviet space! Come, still Kozyrev's agents ?! If the FSB, SVR and other special services worked the same way, the Russian Federation would have disappeared from the face of the earth! Death to traitors!
  11. +3
    April 19 2018 08: 29
    And then we shout that America, according to the template, works ... And why not, if it works! They saw Georgia and Ukraine, and all the same there.
    Good luck and firmness to the authorities!
    1. 0
      April 20 2018 23: 07
      There was only one way out, as it was in China with students in the square
  12. +14
    April 19 2018 08: 47
    Quote: Fck_you_all_dickheads
    Of course they did. Who would argue. They turned us into a colony, bought up all the valuable things for a penny, and began pushing weapons cars to our eternal enemies. I bow to you, "allies."

    But who needs you, miserable? Do not want to live a normal life, well, don’t!
    This is your path - short and scary! You yourself choose it ... Get ready ... Soon ...
    There will be “Ukrainian” happiness for you, and then you will sing to Turkish and Azeri tunes!
    BUT WILL BE LATE...
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      1. +1
        April 20 2018 23: 08
        Alexander the second in his grave is now turning over from your bullshit
  13. +1
    April 19 2018 09: 07
    And it is from this point of view that the activities of "velvet revolutionaries" who are about to ruin their country should be considered

    And this is not their country, they sold it.
  14. +2
    April 19 2018 09: 32
    The victory of “Maidan” in Armenia will have far more tragic consequences than similar events in Ukraine. The geographical position, margin of safety, technical and demographic potential of the republic are such that the refusal of an alliance with Russia in favor of a ghostly European integration and unattainable (if only because of Turkey’s opposition) NATO membership would mean suicide of Armenia.

    Oh come on. Well, will Armenia like Georgia or the Baltic Limitrophs — it doesn’t matter with whose hands to “feed” - it is clear that after the "velvet revolution", again, one clan will ride the "European" or "American" feeding trough, and the rest will entertain thick-shouldered burghers - than not "work", but "the will of the people" will be fulfilled ..... wink
    1. +1
      April 19 2018 12: 59
      Damn it - her geopolitical position is quite different from Estonia ....
      (Azerbaijanis / Turks ask)
      1. 0
        April 20 2018 23: 10
        while our FSB officers are there, they have at least some kind of protection, and if we leave who will protect it
      2. 0
        April 22 2018 21: 51
        Better or worse? And why should Azerbaijanis or Turks be asked about this? On the geopolitical position of Estonia also need to ask Latvia and Finland?
    2. 0
      April 21 2018 00: 35
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      Oh come on. Well, there will be Armenia like Georgia or the Baltic Limitrophs; it’s all the same with whose hands to “feed”, it’s clear,

      Armenia will not be in a deadlock. The border with Turkey (280 km) and Azerbaijan (930 km and here specific trenches and a position war) is closed. Georgia remains 196 km and Iran 42 km, which is still populated by Azerbaijanis on the other side of the border.
      Therefore, how cute will be in the arms of Russia.
      1. 0
        April 23 2018 10: 22
        The beast collapsed the USSR and now eats pieces, in turn, that's it! And the population is playing war games - Russia with Georgia and Ukraine, Armenia with Azerbaijan. Everyone remembers whose people are ancient. who lived how many thousand years. And the beast smirks and eats republic after republic. That took up Armenia. And there is no such force in the vastness of our Motherland that would unite the peoples that would shake off dollar handouts and shame off our own. There is no hope for this, the beast is sitting in our governments, holding the so-called "elite" of our republics on a financial leash. Now is the time to declare the collapse of the USSR illegitimate, to declare universal mobilization with us in 15 republics and Serbia, and put on our banners all sane people and Armenians and Tajiks and Estonians and Ukrainians and Jews and Serbs ..... Otherwise, we will see a lot of guys drink blood, conflagration and humiliation to the bottom.
  15. +2
    April 19 2018 10: 03
    Honestly, I am violet! Not because I don’t give a damn, but because ALL the current trend in societies has embarked on the path of collapse. And this applies not only to the countries of the former Union and Europe .. It’s just that several civilizations suddenly, for many reasons, decided to mix up. Dying, resurrecting .., but get mixed up .. So why stand in the way of the inevitable. Let it be! We need to think about our path and .... go, go and go further and further from them in our Russian-Russian way ... With us It is true and there is nothing to look back. Who needs to jump into the cars ...
  16. +6
    April 19 2018 10: 07
    The author writes: "The true sources and causes of what is happening are obviously of Western origin."
    What is this nonsense? Perhaps the reason for this is that since the collapse of the USSR, miracle managers did not even try to create a powerful economy and a normally functioning state apparatus, which in itself would stretch all the republics like a magnet? Maybe the reason is that the Russian Federation is very weak in almost all respects and therefore there are no centripetal trends?
    And the fact that the West is the enemy of Russia has long been known. So what is Russia doing nothing to counter? Again, due to limited sovereignty. Just as during the war with Japan, Nicholas II was forced to stop military operations under pressure from France and England, so now the Russian Federation cannot take any decisive step on the world stage.
    The economy is weak.
    1. -2
      April 19 2018 12: 25
      We must also add - "everything is sad."
      And of course, the traditional recipe of how to do it right is universal.
    2. 0
      April 19 2018 14: 35
      The only sensible comment.
  17. +4
    April 19 2018 10: 49
    I wish the good of Armenia only because it gives hope for a reduction in emigration from there to my country, I write this because the experience of communication is extremely negative, realizing, however, that probably someone has opposite examples, do not poke into the profile picture, I am aware ... by the way, for the same reason, I wish good luck to all other Kyrgyz, Tajiks and others, worn with their independence, as with a written bag ...
  18. +3
    April 19 2018 11: 42
    Quote: Fck_you_all_dickheads
    Quote: astronom1973n
    Quote: Fck_you_all_dickheads
    Hey, you're an analyst. The whole world sent you 3 letters. Who is your allies left? So do not flaunt.

    and we never had any friends, only hangers-on. as it becomes difficult to knock in different directions. Only the Russian people remain. And do not think that you and the EU will be friends.


    The poor, the poor are difficult for them. Ay-ah-ah-ah.

    Well, you are so angry that if you offended someone on the site, ask for site administration, you wise Armenians will figure out their problems, but you don’t get used to the fact that Russians are to blame for everything
  19. +7
    April 19 2018 12: 10
    There are much fewer Armenians on Earth than the films where Armen Dzhigarkhanyan played.
    1. 0
      April 19 2018 14: 46
      Offset. Old saying.
  20. 0
    April 19 2018 13: 01
    And something a little Armenians on the site ... surprised.
    "Fck_you_all_dickheads" obviously has nothing to do with Armenians. crying
    1. +7
      April 19 2018 14: 01
      The title of the article "Armenia on the verge of" velvet "suicide" does not leave a desire to comment on something.
      In recent days, too many articles have appeared on the VO about these demonstrations, and under each article one appears inadequate with the Armenian flag, which is registered on the same day.
      And, of course, great-power chauvinism is growing stronger every day. Yesterday, the Kazakhs went all out .. if, for several days, the Armenians, Belarusians got from time to time, I generally am silent about Ukrainians and Jews.
      1. +1
        April 19 2018 14: 14
        great-power chauvinism grows stronger


        In fact, in Russia, a public reaction is becoming more common, which boils down to the question: why should Russia in general work with the public in the post-Soviet space? Why does she have to persuade someone and convince in some way, if people don’t go on to numerous examples (from Libya to Ukraine), what do such games turn out when conducting the West?
        https://vz.ru/opinions/2018/4/19/918552.html
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      2. +1
        April 19 2018 19: 34
        Quote: Brut
        The title of the article "Armenia on the verge of" velvet "suicide" does not leave a desire to comment on something.
        In recent days, too many articles have appeared on the VO about these demonstrations, and under each article one appears inadequate with the Armenian flag, which is registered on the same day.
        And, of course, great-power chauvinism is growing stronger every day. Yesterday, the Kazakhs went all out .. if, for several days, the Armenians, Belarusians got from time to time, I generally am silent about Ukrainians and Jews.

        What kind of malice? They stepped on slippers, cold coffee and a stale bun? So the Russians have nothing to do with it)).
      3. +1
        April 19 2018 22: 22
        It's not about chauvinism. Although he is of course the same. Many simply boiled up.
        And the propagandized concept of the “long-suffering Armenian people” does not fit with the commercial success of Armenians in Russia.
        1. +1
          April 20 2018 01: 40
          Quote: icant007
          It's not about chauvinism. Although he is of course the same. Many simply boiled up.
          And the propagandized concept of the “long-suffering Armenian people” does not fit with the commercial success of Armenians in Russia.

          If the people are suffering, it means you have to go in rags and live in huts?
          Success comes when you plow with your head or hands seven days a week and take a trip to rest, in the initial stage, and then you get what you deserve. He invited a friend to do business, but he was not ready for such a schedule.
          1. +3
            April 20 2018 08: 04
            Did you watch yesterday the plot on abuses in the field of shared construction in the Krasnodar Territory? The first defendants to whom the police came, for some reason, ended up with Armenian surnames. Why is this not surprising?
            You just have to stop lying to yourself and others. And try to live honestly. I focus on the "try." Because I understand that it’s difficult.
            The Armenian trading philosophy, in order not to offend, is very peculiar. At one time, my boss was an Armenian. Normal guy, self-critical. He said that in the market he prefers to buy from Azerbaijanis. His compatriots shout to him: "Why don’t you take from your own?" And he "Why do I need those of my own who tear at exorbitant prices."
    2. +1
      April 19 2018 14: 47
      We read and do not find words, everyone has already decided for us.
  21. +5
    April 19 2018 13: 12
    Quote: Fck_you_all_dickheads
    Do you want the Armenians to kiss your ass too? You are not mistaken by accident?

    And what is sweeter to you? Turkish, Azerbaijani, American or Russian?
  22. 0
    April 19 2018 13: 14
    As I have already said, Armenians are not stupid enough people and did not discuss the article.
    So it goes. lol
  23. +2
    April 19 2018 13: 16
    Russian political analyst Gevorg Mirzayan believes that Russia has repeated “Ukrainian mistakes” in Armenia


    Rather, the Russian-Armenian ... love
    1. 0
      April 19 2018 15: 35
      once asked one Armenian who was Gevorg Mirzayan who was this nation. So he tells me straight away that if people are Armenian, then his surname should be MirzОJan, not MirzАJan I don’t know what I bought for, as they say ... For example, when a player Ramelov played in Hertha (it seems). The surname seems to be Russian, but it turns out - German. Or, for example, in Ukraine there is someone Egor Sobolev (head of the lustration committee). So, the surname is Russian, by blood, people are probably also Russian, but the Russophobe is worse and cannot be found ...
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    1. 0
      April 28 2018 06: 05
      And, what ..... by today's date, 10 days after your assertion that "everything ends" - you must assume that "everything is over"? Prime Minister Sargsyan is sitting firmly in his chair, and the protesters dispersed and went about their daily business?
  25. +1
    April 19 2018 13: 29
    . These actions very quickly acquired political overtones and were held under the slogans of the resignation of “pro-Russian” Serzh Sargsyan and the rejection of an alliance with Moscow in favor of the western vector.


    Well, for Ukraine, such a "vector change" meant the collapse of industry and the economy.
    For Armenia, everything is much more tragic.
    But as we all understand, the Armenian problems are absolutely indifferent to the Americans - they need to remove the Russian base from Gyumri, which, in this case, will not be so interesting for Armenia itself.
    They simply don’t bother with this question - they work for the result.
    The pro-American party in Yerevan firmly believes in the omnipotence of the overseas uncle and does not want to think with its head from the word at all.
  26. +1
    April 19 2018 14: 32
    Quote: Vard
    It seems the Armenians stepped on a rake less often ... It is better to shoot a couple of hundred demonstrators than to let their country be drowned in blood ...

    It’s impossible, it’s very difficult to force the Armenians to shoot at each other. The demonstration is peaceful, they don’t crush anything or break anything. Actually, almost all the people are against Serge. Regardless of who will be the country's leader, relations with Russia will not change. The main thing is not to interfere in the affairs of Armenians.
    Or the influx of Armenians into Russia will continue. I think you do not want this, as well as the Armenians themselves.
    1. 0
      April 19 2018 16: 03
      At first, always peaceful demonstrations and “fair” slogans. Then snipers shooting both in those and others. Then chaos is to blame for Russia.
    2. 0
      April 19 2018 16: 53
      In the Baltic states, for example, in the early 90s, British snipers were invited. It was they who shot at the Baltic states and Russian soldiers during the rallies.
    3. 0
      April 19 2018 19: 37
      Quote: garnik
      Quote: Vard
      It seems the Armenians stepped on a rake less often ... It is better to shoot a couple of hundred demonstrators than to let their country be drowned in blood ...

      It’s impossible, it’s very difficult to force the Armenians to shoot at each other. The demonstration is peaceful, they don’t crush anything or break anything. Actually, almost all the people are against Serge. Regardless of who will be the country's leader, relations with Russia will not change. The main thing is not to interfere in the affairs of Armenians.
      Or the influx of Armenians into Russia will continue. I think you do not want this, as well as the Armenians themselves.

      Why I don’t feel like it, everything is fine: it’s better to have an Armenian with a cross on his navel than a dude with Baku.
      1. +3
        April 23 2018 09: 28
        who is better for?
        For Armenians who, like gypsies, never assimilate.
        Or for the Russians, whom the Armenians hesitated.
        1. 0
          April 23 2018 12: 25
          Unfortunately, all peoples of the Christian faith are assimilating in Russia, which cannot be said of Muslims.
          And what about the gypsies and they do not give you a decent life? Maybe you stop driving the sofa and get busy.
    4. 0
      April 20 2018 07: 36
      Impossible ??? But do not recall how exactly Demirchyan ended his life? And under what circumstances.
  27. +4
    April 19 2018 14: 40
    A woman with a cart is easier. And place Turkish peacekeepers there.
  28. 0
    April 19 2018 15: 26
    this Pashinyan does everything as grandfather Lenin once did - the same tactic. However...
  29. 0
    April 19 2018 15: 37
    ... if there is no water in the tap, then the State Department is to blame. og
  30. 0
    April 19 2018 16: 41
    There were many opinions expressed. I will express my point of view. Which many here may not like. The situation there is similar to the Ukrainian one in '14. And that means that we have the same opportunities. Therefore, it does not matter how much the pro-Russian orientation of the protesters or the current government is so strong. We must act as with the Crimea and as we did not dare to act with the rest of Ukraine. Namely, the introduction of troops and the arrest of the leadership of both the current and the opposition. And only after that, new elections of governors of the Armenian Republic and the city of federal significance of Yerevan can be called.
    1. 0
      April 22 2018 21: 57
      What's the point? Georgians and Armenians during the USSR for each ruble given to the budget of the USSR received 18-20 rubles from the budget of the USSR. Do you want to put them on our neck again?
      1. 0
        April 22 2018 22: 29
        In this case, the financial efficiency of the regions of the RSFSR will not please you either. Though in those days, even now. Even if enterprises that pay taxes in Moscow move to the regions, they will still remain subsidized. And what to exclude them from the composition of Russia? Unfortunately, not everything is measured by the economy and managed as a business. There are such things as natural resources that the territory possesses and a geopolitical position that at the right moment cannot be compensated for with any money.
        1. 0
          April 24 2018 19: 08
          Here I am about the same. We need to feed our regions. And not foreign parasites.
  31. +1
    April 19 2018 16: 46
    Soon they are something! Russia has not yet issued a loan to purchase military equipment! Where is the comrade from Armenia?
  32. +2
    April 19 2018 18: 17
    Another wise guy wrote an article about what he understands nothing. The only truth is that there are almost more Armenians in the Russian Federation than in Armenia itself.
    And no one likes the prime minister, he was already our 10th president, he hasn’t done anything useful to the country, but now he has changed the constitution and became the prime minister. When he changed the constitution he publicly promised not to become prime minister. and while the presidency was the highest in Armenia, he made Prime Minister Gazprom employee Karen Karapetyan, who was popular in Armenia. And this man, with his popularity, pulled out the party of S. Sargsyan in the parliamentary elections and in the referendum - after all, the people still believed that after the constitution was changed, Karapetyan would be the prime minister, and not the disgusting S. Sargsyan.

    And that is precisely why the people support Pashinyan, and not for his political orientation.
    And yes, S. Sargsyan dragged Armenia to the EAEU, with which Armenia does not have a land border and cheap and reliable means of transport communication - that is, railway communications. So, there was no use for joining the EAEU for the country, and on the contrary, our prices rose.
    would have achieved at least financing the construction of a railway to Iran in exchange for joining the EAEU, everything was completely different.
    And now this person wants eternal power in Armenia. Of course, the people will counteract this.
    1. 0
      April 20 2018 10: 41
      everything is like in Ukraine. Do not wake up, the Armenians will flee to Russia, but Armenia will not. After all, the Armenians are a smart nation, you don’t understand anything at all. Change a peaceful life for destruction and destruction. Where is your mind?
      1. +1
        April 20 2018 12: 16
        Everything is normal. Armenians will not exchange Russia for anyone, rest assured.
        Sometimes it is necessary to stir up so that the power is in good shape.
        1. 0
          April 20 2018 19: 34
          laughing You there keep your power in good shape. It is a pity that our Russian government is also ready to stay in your tone!
      2. 0
        April 26 2018 21: 53
        Fi ... what a cave Nazism. You divide the nation into "smart" and "not smart" (stupid) !!!! ???? And what are your criteria for classifying nations as smart and stupid? Do you measure skulls?
  33. Cat
    0
    April 19 2018 18: 38
    the pro-Russian opposition to the pro-Russian (as a whole) authorities is an oxymoron.

    And no! There is no oxymoron in politics. Think of the Kurdish allies of the United States, with whom the US ally and member of the NATO bloc Turkey are fighting.
    And in the Russian Federation itself, the pro-Russian kakbe opposition against the kakbe of the pro-Russian authorities (gee, he got confused). Outside Ukraine, even without a liter of moonshine can not figure it out. drinks
  34. 0
    April 19 2018 18: 56
    Let them do what they want, history will put everything in its place. The elites of Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan forgot that before the Russian Empire came to the Caucasus, the Turks and Persians had them as they wanted. We must let them do it again.
    1. +5
      April 19 2018 20: 10
      I don’t know who goes to the demonstrations there. it seems to me that the entire population of Armenia moved to Rostov and Sochi
      1. +2
        April 19 2018 21: 23
        In Tuapse and Armavir. And many did it in the 19th century, and some even earlier in time immemorial.
        1. 0
          April 20 2018 22: 03
          If this, in your opinion, was in "immemorial times", that is, in times of which there was no memory, then how did you become aware of this? Moreover, in memorable times, 200 years ago, there were no Armenians either in Armavir or Tuapse. As a matter of fact, there was neither Armavir nor Tuapse.
          1. +1
            April 21 2018 06: 51
            This is a figurative expression to emphasize the fact that it took more than a couple of years and not even a couple of dozen. There were not very many Russians in those places in those times, either, as on the Black Sea coast. But there were many Adygs. The main part of the Armenian settlement was in the middle of the 19th century from the territory of the Ottoman Empire and went in parallel with the Russian.
            1. +1
              April 22 2018 22: 01
              Not in parallel. We won the land from the Circassians. And the Armenians began to move to the already conquered lands, where our Russian power was already. If there wasn’t our power, hell would any of the Armenians begin to move there. At least in parallel, at least perpendicularly. Adygs are now making claims. Like, we Adygs lost to you Russians. But why are Armenians living on our lands? We did not lose to the Armenians !!!!!
              1. 0
                April 22 2018 22: 38
                Is it just that from nowhere or did the then government purposefully populate the region with a loyal population with a kindred religion? And besides Armenians there is also a local Greek community)))
                1. 0
                  April 23 2018 05: 51
                  That is, you acknowledge that it is not parallel, but sequential? First, our government and our garrisons - then the Armenians? Thanks so far for this. Further. And why do you think that you settled "purposefully"? It is possible to come to an agreement even so that, for example, France in the present period "purposefully" populates France with Romanian and Bulgarian gypsies - a loyal population with a kindred religion. Yes, half of the French do not know how to get rid of this "loyal population." Although, of course, the other half, on the basis of “common European values,” if it does not provide Gypsies and other “refugees” like Ukrainians, Bulgarians, and Romanians (not Gypsies) all kinds of support, at least it does not require their eviction.
                  Greeks in the annexed territories appeared just like the Armenians. The only place where the Greeks lived was in Anapa, where before its accession to us there was firm Turkish authority.
                  1. 0
                    April 23 2018 09: 35
                    Where did you see the confession in my words? Maybe because such a person as Suvorov was engaged in this by decree of Catherine II of 1778. And subsequent rulers did exactly the same thing. With the adoption of the service, civilian and military. Does Anapa not already belong to this region?
                    In the general calculation of the need for connection, in addition to accounting, you need to calculate many other parameters. Some things may be unprofitable even in the medium term, but one day there will come a moment when they will be decisive. For example, the results of the Soviet-Finnish war with the border moving away from Leningrad or the construction of the Trans-Siberian Railway or the railway to Central Asia.
                  2. +1
                    April 26 2018 16: 05
                    You are wrong here because you did not see the main thing. It was resettled purposefully. Question - who resettled? The Caucasian war ended in 1864. In 1865, the resettlement of the Circassians basically ended. For some time, the Black Sea was inhabited by Russians. These were retired soldiers serving here.
                    Now we look at ... there was such an activist Mikhail Tarielovich Loris-Melikov. As you probably guessed, it’s not Ethiopian. In Paris in 1856, Loris-Melikov was promoted to major general on August 4, and then in 1858 he was appointed commander of the troops in Abkhazia and inspector of line battalions of the Kutaisi governor general. In 1859, Loris was sent to Turkey to negotiate the adoption of highlanders within Asian Turkey.
                    It was during this visit that this Loris-Melikov, as if fulfilling the task of the party and government, purely on his own initiative, proposed to replace the Circassians from Turkey sent to Turkey to resettle the Armenians there. Moreover, he presented the case to the Emperor as if it was a condition of the Turks themselves. Of course, embellishing the dignity of the Armenians resettled in Russia. The Emperor and the Council of State, seeing such a thing, agreed. And they even awarded Loris-Melikov for the "inconvenience in performing this task" with the Order of St. Stanislav 1st degree. But the Armenians didn’t particularly want to move and the flow was essentially single. But everything changed after our war with Turkey in 1878-1979. During this war (and after it), the Turkish Armenians, taking advantage of the fact that the legislation of the Russian Empire already prescribed that they can move to Russia, Armenians began to appear on the Black Sea coast in hundreds and thousands.
                    Well, then Loris-Melikov generally became Minister of the Interior of the Russian Empire. This is where the Lafa came to the Armenians.
                    So, the resettlement of the Armenians was exactly that purposeful.
              2. +1
                April 23 2018 08: 54
                You have nothing to say, the word Circassogai.
                They didn’t move without permission, but by decree of Catherine 2.
                1. 0
                  April 23 2018 09: 45
                  And there were also mountain Jews wink
                  1. 0
                    April 23 2018 13: 06
                    And there were also mountain Jews wink


                    And what does the Mountain Jews have to do with it? They generally live in another country. True, in percentage terms per capita they hold the first place in Russia in terms of dollar millionaires. Almost all vegetable markets are controlled by them. The appearance is Azerbaijani, and the faith is Jewish.
                    1. +1
                      April 23 2018 14: 45
                      So they, too, in the mid-19th century lived in the Caucasus. This is an argument for Alex1117 who comes out with a message: why do we need them at all, you weren’t standing here, let everyone who isn’t out of here, get out. There are a lot of peoples who have lived in this region for centuries. And they have the right to believe that they live on their land.
                      1. +1
                        April 26 2018 16: 13
                        Would look at yourself !!! Turks, starting with the Seljuks, have been living in Asia Minor since the middle of the 11th century. But the Armenians still can not calm down: "You were not standing here"; "You are nomads"; "Give, this is our original land."
                        By the way, long before the appearance of the Armenians in the region, a people lived in Asia Minor, which historians call interestingly “highlanders-turukku”. Highlanders - because historians really wanted these “turukku” to be “newcomers” too, but historians were never able to agree on where they came from. Therefore, they called it highlanders. Like, they came down from the mountains. And when they needed to be removed from the historical arena, historians declared that the "Turukk highlanders" again went to their mountains. But in fact, everyone perfectly understood that the Turuku are our Turks. Which, it is clear that there were no nomads from Altai, as the Armenians and the West propagandize, but they always lived on the territory of Anatolia.
  35. +2
    April 19 2018 21: 23
    It seems that the Armenians became bored with living: somewhere they burn tires, somewhere they hit windows, somewhere they shoot, then they find themselves in the spotlight (if they are more pathetic: they make history), and Armenia seems to be aloof from the events. as if she was gone. But wouldn’t it stir up something similar in Armenia, there would be a desire (to pause) and there is a reason: corruption, high prices, low salaries, etc. etc.
    Hmm, Ukraine does not teach anything.
    I would like to believe that sanity in Armenia will take up.
  36. +5
    April 19 2018 22: 50
    Quote: garnik
    For two years, aid had been supplied to the Turks by arms, food and gold. Thanks to this help, the Turks managed to defeat the Greek army that besieged Ankira (Ankara) and also asked for help from Orthodox Russia. But the choice fell on the Turks. Personally, I can not explain this behavior of the leaders of Soviet Russia.
    It is possible that the Turks were the first to recognize Soviet Russia and form the Communist Party, which was soon banned. I think the Greeks would also thank for their help.

    Garnik, The history of the world and Russia in particular, is not the history of Armenia and not everything in the world revolves around Armenia and its interests. I will answer you with an excerpt from the commentary of the respected forum member Seala (I hate plagiarism and any theft), so his authorship is: "Ataturk handed over to us Azerbaijan, relying on which we soon restored the borders of the Russian Empire in Transcaucasia to almost the same state, including it in the USSR Armenia and Georgia, and only after the surrender of Azerbaijan to us, Ataturk began to receive our help - 10 million rubles in gold, weapons, ammunition, advisers (Frunze, Voroshilov and others). Azerbaijan’s oil fields were worth a million times more expensive than these unfortunate 10 million rubles in gold, which we paid for helping Ataturk "...
    1. +3
      April 19 2018 22: 53
      M. E. Rasulzade:
      “A part of the Ottoman Turks operating in Baku involuntarily misled people with these words:“ The approaching Red Army is led by a Turk named Nijat-bek. The regiments of this army are made up of Turks. A large number of soldiers come from the Turks of the Volga region. This Army goes to the aid of Anatolia, fighting against deadly enemies. The resistance shown to this Army will be tantamount to hampering the salvation of Turkey. From the point of view of great Turkic unity and the Muslim community, this is tantamount to betrayal. " A day later, it turned out that all these high words were a bluff. It was just a political ploy. ”
      On May 3, a declaration was distributed "to the people of Azerbaijan from the Turkish Communist Bolsheviks," in which Azerbaijanis were called on to support the new government. Speaking at the Turkish Grand National Assembly on August 14, its chairman Mustafa Kemal Atatürk said that in the breakthrough of the Red Army of the Eastern Front, their unhindered advance in the North Caucasus and their occupation of Azerbaijan, “there was our target designation, our influence and our merit”

      The former head of the organization to combat the counter-revolution of Azerbaijan, Nagy Sheikhzamanli, in his memoirs evaluated the role of the Turks in this way:
      When the Red Army approached our northern borders, Azerbaijani authorities ordered the governor of Cuba to dismantle the rails for at least one kilometer. The governor executed this order the next day. However, the deceitful Khalil Bey deceived our general, saying: “My Pasha, the government dismantled the rails on the border. The Red Army will not be able to proceed from here to Anatolia to assist Ataturk. Please take appropriate action. ” The deceived Azerbaijani general ordered the restoration of the railway ...
      Unfortunately this is a story. Maybe there was an objective need to sacrifice the interests of Azerbaijan. But you won’t throw words out of a song ...
  37. +6
    April 19 2018 23: 05
    Quote: garnik
    For two years, aid had been supplied to the Turks by arms, food and gold. Thanks to this help, the Turks managed to defeat the Greek army that besieged Ankira (Ankara) and also asked for help from Orthodox Russia. But the choice fell on the Turks. Personally, I can not explain this behavior of the leaders of Soviet Russia.
    It is possible that the Turks were the first to recognize Soviet Russia and form the Communist Party, which was soon banned. I think the Greeks would also thank for their help.

    In addition, Karabakh was not transferred, but left (!) Within Azerbaijan, and this has been repeatedly indicated in the discussions at the VO and one of the two initiators of the adoption of the Caucasus. The bureau of this resolution was exactly the Armenian Nazaretyan.
  38. 0
    April 20 2018 10: 37
    Armenians defend their homeland from Sorov’s kov, otherwise about .... your country!
  39. +1
    April 20 2018 23: 13
    The Armenian youth wants to Europe and the EU so that we keep our military there let them go along the path of Ukraine and Moldova to us that we remember about the Karabakh and Zangezur Khanty and offer them a base to replace the zangezur I think they will not be against
  40. 0
    April 21 2018 08: 56
    So far we see how the Russian Federation protects its allies in Syria.
  41. +4
    April 21 2018 13: 43
    The author’s evidence in favor of the incredible importance of Armenia for Russia and its unconditional pro-Russian orientation seems inconclusive.
    The words "threat to the Ukrainian scenario" are repeated as propaganda slogans to justify the need to pump Russian resources into this country, which does not even border Russia.
    If we take the notorious “Ukrainian scenario” in the option of breaking with Russia, open hostility towards it, and an alternative in the form of extraditing Russia, providing assurances of “eternal friendship” as compensation, while at the same time turning on the sovereignty regime in response to requests for real support and reciprocity (that is, what happened in relations with Ukraine until 2014), then the first option would not be preferable. And the example of Ukraine suggests that this "scenario" can be launched at any time, but the later, the more resources are wasted in support of the next "brotherly people."
    And the Russian military base is certainly important for the security of Armenia, but it’s hard to understand what is its significance for the Russian Federation. In the case of a hypothetical conflict: how is it planned to supply it if the airspace of Azerbaijan and Georgia is most likely to be closed? We pre-defined 5 thousand of our hostages as hostages, so that later we can sing another variation on the theme “Our proud Varangian does not surrender to the enemy”?
    1. +1
      April 24 2018 23: 23
      This base, that is, the 102nd, is not needed by anyone except the Armenians .... especially for Russia. In the courtyard of the 21st century ...... what other base in Armenia?
  42. +5
    April 21 2018 14: 24
    Quote: garnik
    apro (Oleg Frolov)

    You are a provocateur, and most likely I can’t disguise myself as an avatar with the Russian flag. I am sure that the majority of the ill-wishers of Russia plus you.
    If Armenians are oppressed in national republics, the next will be Russians. I myself am from Central Asia, there were always Armenians and Russians among my friends, together they defended their rights in clashes with the locals and there have never been a showdown between us. One of the reasons for moving to Russia.

    The Armenians have already forgotten how in 92 they evicted the Russians? And now Russia has betrayed them?
  43. +1
    April 21 2018 22: 46
    Young people, Armenians, freedom-loving people, not like Russians ...
    1. 0
      April 23 2018 22: 03
      The freedom of Armenia is already in question, the situation is similar to that which occurred in Georgia, Serbia, Libya, etc. So do not rejoice lad.
  44. 0
    April 22 2018 23: 19
    "As I put on my sword belt, I’m all dumb and dumb."
  45. 0
    April 23 2018 15: 22
    Quote: siberalt
    Should a coup happen in Armenia, our base in Gyumri will end and Karabakh will fall, the last Armenians will flee from Nakhichevan. In Armenia, the Americans will comfortably settle down and the cleaning of the local ones will begin, akin to 1915. belay

    Armenian Prime Minister Serzh Sargsyan resigned amid mass protests in Yerevan. This was reported by the press service of the Prime Minister.
    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3612553
  46. 0
    April 23 2018 19: 21
    as always and everywhere events in Armenia are paid by the West
    1. +2
      April 26 2018 16: 17
      Is the West playing against itself? As already written (and I agree with this), in Armenia there is a confrontation between those who: "Very, very fond of the USA" (power) and those who "Very, very fond of the USA, but do not like power" (opposition).
  47. 0
    April 23 2018 21: 54
    Well, did the Armenians peck at the State Department cookies?
  48. 0
    April 23 2018 21: 58
    Armenia did not have long to be free, they would tear up a hot-water bottle like an "ace".
  49. +2
    April 24 2018 23: 19
    Quote: garnik
    the Persians who made Azerbaijanis in the 60s


    Do you have a complex? laughing Listen to the most ancient of the most ancient, but essentially how Armenia is betraying Russia again, is there anything to say or are you here just to praise the Armenians and blame the Russians, Azerbaijanis and Bolsheviks?
  50. +2
    April 26 2018 12: 55
    Quote: garnik
    But what the Bolsheviks did was a betrayal not only in relation to the Armenians, but also to themselves

    Soooo. Again you are here with your claims based on nothing. Recall who helped the Germans defeat in that part of the First World War in which we were the loser? That's right - the Armenians !!! And not Turkish, but ours, Russian Armenians.
  51. +3
    April 26 2018 12: 56
    Quote: garnik
    The support of the Armenians (Turkey) of the Russian Empire in WWI played a fatal role in the fate of the Armenians, i.e. sweep your way.
    No need to escalate passions; Armenians did not betray the interests of Russia, which cannot be said about Russia itself.


    Again 25. Okay. I'll say it again.
    The Armenians betrayed Russia in 1914. The main provocateurs who incited the war between Turkey and Russia were not Turkish Armenians, but our Russian Armenians. Which, by the way, were absolutely not damaged in 1915. Neither they themselves were injured nor their relatives were injured. Since all these provocateurs and their families were on our territory. It was our Russian Armenians, not giving a damn about the possible problems of their Turkish compatriots, who helped our enemies, the Germans, in 1914, drag Turkey into the war on the side of Germany. How ? Yes, when the First World War began in Turkey there was a strong peace party, that is, there was an influential group of people, including from the top leadership of Turkey, who were against Turkey entering the war. The Sultan is against entering the war. The first vizier is also against. Even from the Young Turkish triumvirate, unequivocally “FOR” the entry of Turkey into the war on the side of Germany was only Enver Pasha. However, in the period from August to October 1914, armed Armenian groups (Armenians call them fidayeen, and in modern language these are international terrorists) made forays from our RUSSIAN territory into Turkish territory, killing Turkish soldiers, officers, officials, mullahs, policemen, and just peasants. Thus, in 2-3 months the Armenians simply changed the public opinion of Turkey, where back in August 1914 there was a strong peace party led by the Grand Vizier. By the end of October, the influence of this peace party in Turkey had faded. Thanks to the provocations of the Armenians on the Russian-Turkish border, the people of Turkey thirsted for revenge. Moreover, revenge is not so much on the Armenians as on Russia. Since Russian subjects of Armenian nationality crossed into Turkish territory from our territory, and even pretending that their actions were supported by the Russian Government. As a result, after a couple of months of Armenian provocations, Turkey’s policy began to be determined by the war party. And at the end of October, the Turkish Minister of War Enver Pasha, an ardent supporter of Turkey’s entry into the war on the side of Germany, previously restrained by no less influential Turkish ministers and officials who were for peace or for Turkey’s entry into the war on the side of the Entente, felt so confident that that he allowed, at his own peril and risk, the march of Turkish and German (under Turkish flags) ships to our shores with the aim of shelling our coastal cities. This was already a reason for war. One would have to be a complete idiot to undertake to provoke Turkey into entering the war against Russia, thereby helping Germany!!! This Andranik like him was apparently complete idiots if he did not understand that if a war broke out between us and Turkey, the main thing for us would still be the GERMAN front. Did he not understand that in such conditions we would simply hold the defense in the Caucasus and our Caucasian army would not reach Istanbul in 2 weeks? Did he not understand that if the war with Turkey drags on even a little, then the Turkish Armenians will definitely suffer in the Turkish territory bordering us, through which the front line will pass. Yes, perhaps the Turks already in August 1914 did not treat their subjects of Armenian nationality who lived in the area near the border with our country in the best way. What was there and who cut whom more is a dark matter. According to documents that have reached us, the number of Armenians, Kurds and Turks killed by each other differs slightly. It’s cynical, but the World would somehow survive the fact that the Turks, in conditions of peace with us, repressed several thousand and even several tens of thousands of their Turkish subjects of Armenian nationality. German Field Marshal Ludendorff said after the war that if Germany had not managed to drag Turkey into the war on its side, then Germany would not have lasted until 1916. This means that the war would have ended much faster, we would not have had a revolution with its consequences, and the world would have avoided the Spanish flu epidemic. That is, about 100 (STA) million more people would not have died. A monument to Andranik should be erected in Germany.
  52. +3
    April 26 2018 13: 04
    Quote: garnik
    For two years, aid had been supplied to the Turks by arms, food and gold. Thanks to this help, the Turks managed to defeat the Greek army that besieged Ankira (Ankara) and also asked for help from Orthodox Russia. But the choice fell on the Turks. Personally, I can not explain this behavior of the leaders of Soviet Russia.
    It is possible that the Turks were the first to recognize Soviet Russia and form the Communist Party, which was soon banned. I think the Greeks would also thank for their help.

    1. The Greeks did not ask us, from Soviet Russia, for anything.
    2. The Greeks were part of the intervention forces that occupied in 1918-1919. South of Russia, which a priori put them on a par with other invaders.
    3. First, Ataturk’s emissaries ensured the bloodless transfer of Azerbaijan with its oil fields to us, then we assisted Ataturk with money, weapons and advisers. But we must remember that the oil fields were a million times more expensive than all our assistance to Ataturk. Having only low-productivity (compared to Baku) North Caucasian oil fields, Soviet Russia would hardly have survived in a capitalist environment.
    4. Turkey, grateful to us, closed its straits at the beginning of the Great Patriotic War and not a single Italian battleship or cruiser with an escort squadron (destroyers, destroyers, minesweepers, etc.), or a single German submarine of new projects, entered the Black Sea. I dread to think what would have happened if they had entered.
  53. +3
    April 26 2018 13: 08
    Quote: garnik
    The interests of Russia and Armenia are identical.

    The interests of Russia and Armenia are not only not identical, but opposite.
    Armenia is fulfilling the task assigned to it by the United States - to prevent rapprochement between Russia and Turkey. It was the United States that allowed Armenia to request our military base. And we fell for it - we organized our military base in Armenia. At the request of the Armenians. Courtesy of the USA. We must understand that in the US Congress the second most influential lobby, after the Israeli one, is the Armenian lobby. And the Armenian lobby will never allow the United States to abandon its support for Armenia. But in this case the situation turned out to be... interesting, so to speak. The United States, of course, could place its base there. But placing an American base in Armenia would sharply worsen US relations with Turkey. And Turkey, until recently, was also a very great friend of the United States and was (and still is) a member of NATO. Therefore, the United States decided to eat the fish too... In short, in order to protect Armenia, the United States allowed us to keep our base in Armenia. Thus, the United States killed several birds with one stone. Firstly, like “defended Armenia” (with our hands). Secondly, since it was done with our own hands, it means they saved a lot. Thirdly, and this is probably the most important thing, the USA and Armenia forced us to pursue a pro-Armenian policy. Well, of course, if our base is in Armenia, that means Armenia is our friend and ally. This means that both Turkey and Azerbaijan rightly believed that if Armenia is a friend and ally for us, then Turkey and Azerbaijan, to which Armenia has territorial claims, are at least not friends.
    For us, the best thing is to withdraw from Armenia our base and our border guards and just forget about Armenia. As if she was gone. And honestly start making friends with Turkey and Azerbaijan. They are much more important for us than Armenia.
  54. +2
    April 26 2018 13: 13
    Quote: Black_Jacket
    Azerbaijan on the one hand and Türkiye on the other will devour Armenia. Just give them the go-ahead

    Have you mixed up anything? It is Armenia that has territorial claims to both Turkey and Azerbaijan, and not vice versa. Neither Türkiye nor Azerbaijan have territorial claims against Armenia.
    Armenia also has territorial claims to Georgia.
    And even to Iran. But Armenia cannot afford to voice its claims against Iran. Because Iran is the last one with whom Armenia does not quarrel.
  55. +3
    April 26 2018 13: 18
    Quote: garnik
    have always been in the ranks of the Russian army on the Caucasian front. What is good for Russia is good for Armenia.

    Nonsense. Again. Yes, you were on the Caucasian front. True, not in the ranks of our army, but, so to speak, near it. But nevertheless they were. But this is not the main question. The main question is that you, the Armenians, organized it (the Caucasian Front) for us. Well, or let’s just say, they contributed a lot. We absolutely did not need this front. In 1914, we had to avoid war with Turkey at all costs. And you, Armenians, dragged us into a war with Turkey. Together with the Germans, of course. And they pulled me in.
    You are like that American fireman. Who first set houses on fire and then heroically (really heroically) extinguished them. For which he received orders and medals, titles, honor and respect. Until they exposed it.
  56. +2
    April 26 2018 13: 24
    Quote: garnik
    (I applied for a Russian Citizen passport twice and twice for bribery. The passport office workers got away with it, but I forked out my money thanks for not imprisoning me..)

    Excuse me, did the passport office workers come to your home, beat you for a long time, forcing you to go and apply for our passport, for which you, let’s say, did not have full rights? And after what, as you agreed, they also demanded a bribe from you?
    Or was it you, not having full rights to receive a Russian passport, who went to the passport office, by hook or by crook? not true We sought to issue you our passport and handed over (with disgust, of course) bribes to the employees of the passport office.
    I am in no way on the side of these jackals.
    But we must honestly admit that it was people like you who contributed to the growth of corruption in our country. If you (like you) weren’t in our country, the passport office workers wouldn’t have any temptations. They can't take anything from us. And they know it. That's why they work honestly. Let it be slow.
  57. +2
    April 26 2018 13: 37
    Quote: Rolex
    This base, that is, the 102nd, is not needed by anyone except the Armenians .... especially for Russia. In the courtyard of the 21st century ...... what other base in Armenia?

    About the base. The base is not located on the territory of the Republic of Armenia at the request of the Republic of Armenia. I remember a couple of years ago or the year before, when the Armenian leadership tried to do something wrong, our President immediately said, “Well, then we’ll withdraw the base.” Armenia immediately backed down.
    The base will not be able to contain any Turkish forces, since on the Turkish side there are commanding heights, on the reverse side of which there is probably Turkish barrel artillery of German (NATO) production. She will destroy our base. Our Russian guys are just hostages there.
    If a big war breaks out, such that we have to ignore the borders of Georgia, then it will be a nuclear war. And in such a nuclear war, nothing at all depends on our base.
  58. +2
    April 26 2018 13: 40
    Quote: Scorpio05
    I will answer you with an excerpt from the comment

    I don't mind. Use it whenever you find it necessary!!!
  59. +2
    April 26 2018 16: 24
    Quote: Servisinzhener
    Maybe because a person like Suvorov was doing this by decree of Catherine II in 1778

    What did A.V. Suvorov do? Anapoi? No, I didn't. A.V. Suvorov died in 1800, and Anapa became part of Russia under the Treaty of Adrianople in 1829.
    Now about why it was necessary to remove the Armenians and Greeks from Crimea and why it was A.V. Suvorov who did this.
    The official version is “In the Crimean Khanate, almost all crafts and trade were in the hands of Armenians and Greeks. The taxes collected from them made up a significant part of the income of the khan's treasury. Raising the question of relocating the Christian population, the tsarist government sought, first of all, to economically weaken the Crimean Khanate and make it even more dependent on Russia.”
    But let's look at things realistically. By this time (1778), the Russian economy was so much more powerful than the economy of Crimea that if it hadn’t been for such a large number of Greeks and Armenians to be expelled from Crimea, on the contrary, add that the economy of Crimea would have amounted to no more than 0,01% of the economy of the Russian Empire.
    What then ?
    1. +2
      April 26 2018 16: 25
      Let us recall that, having ascended the throne as one of the first state affairs, Catherine II in 1764 secularized monastic lands in order to seize church possessions and abolish part of the monasteries. Actually, the decree on secularization was issued by her husband Peter III. Having removed her husband and ascended the throne, Catherine canceled many of his decrees. But this (and some others) did not cancel.
      In fact, in 1778, everyone in Russia, in Crimea and around the world already understood that Crimea will not be Russian today, tomorrow. Actually, part of the Crimea - Kerch and part of the Kerch Peninsula went back to us in 1774.
      And Catherine the Second looked into the future and predicted what would happen if Crimea became Russian, but a significant part of the land in Crimea would belong to Christian religious denominations: Greek, Armenian-Gregorian and even Armenian-Catholic.
      1778 is not 1762 when Catherine just ascended the throne. In 1762, the war continued, later called the Seven Years War (1756-1763) - a major military conflict of the XNUMXth century, one of the most widespread conflicts of the New Age. The seven-year war went on both in Europe and overseas: in North America, in the Caribbean, in India, in the Philippines. The war was attended by all the European great powers of that time, as well as most of the medium and small states of Europe and even some Indian tribes. Winston Churchill, the war was even called the "first world war."
      Europe was not up to Russia.
      1. +2
        April 26 2018 16: 26
        But in 1778 the situation was different. Small War of the Bavarian Succession 1778-1779 limited to maneuvers and demonstrations of force. No one could have imagined that a revolution would soon occur in France. Much attention was focused on Us (Russia). Suffice it to say about the presence of French “observers,” so to speak, at the Headquarters of E. Pugachev, whose uprising ended only in 1775.
        Moreover, Catherine II herself had views of Turkey. In order to realize these types, she positioned herself as "an unselfish defender of the interests of Christianity." Such she wanted to look in the eyes of the Christian part of the subjects of the Port of Ottoman.
        And Catherine the Second faced the problem of what to do. Accept Crimea as it is - with a lot of lands belonging to Christian denominations? This means that it is necessary to make some withdrawals from their Decrees on the secularization of church lands and property in the Russian Empire. And this will give those dissatisfied with secularization a reason to question its legitimacy.
        Take Crimea and extend the Decree on Secularization to it? But Catherine II and her “cabinet of ministers” did not at all want to look like “robbers” in the eyes of the new subjects whom they were preparing to free from the “Tatar yoke.”
        Therefore (in my opinion) a third option was found, which made it possible to avoid that other negative option.
        1. +2
          April 26 2018 16: 26
          Therefore (in my opinion) a third option was found that avoided the other negative option - a plan was drawn up for the eviction of all Christians from Crimea. And without fail - the conclusion of all the monks (and the monasteries themselves, as organizational structures).
          The execution was entrusted to A.V. Suvorov, who, as they say, understood everything from a half-word.
          Catherine II characterized Suvorov as follows: “Suvorov is very devoted to me and highly incorruptible; he easily understands when an important matter arises in the secret office; I would like to trust only him, but I must keep in check his severity so that it does not go beyond the boundaries that I have prescribed for myself. ” True, some argue that these words refer to father A.V. Suvorov - to V.I. Suvorov. But V.I. Suvorov retired in 1768, and this statement was first recorded after the suppression of A.V. Suvorov Pugachev uprising. Yes, if Lieutenant-General Alexander Vasilievich Suvorov had not been recalled from the 1774st Army, located in the Danubian principalities, in August 1, at that time it was already one of the most successful Russian generals to whom Panin had entrusted the command of the troops that were to be defeated the main Pugachev army in the Volga region, perhaps Pugachev would take Moscow as well. But Suvorov is Suvorov. Pugachev was defeated, caught and delivered to A.V. Suvorov, who conducted his first interrogations. And then he personally delivered Pugachev first to Simbirsk, and then to Moscow. So, A.V. Suvorov was not only a great commander, but also a statesman. He completed the task. Only a few hundred Christians remained in Crimea. Of these, 288 people (60 Greeks and 228 Armenians) remained “for trade, wintering and for their own reprisals, '' as Suvorov wrote in a statement. The inhabitants of Kerch, which together with the entire Kerch Peninsula have not left Crimea since 1774, Kuchuk-Kaynardzhsky peace of 1774, was part of Russia.
          1. +2
            April 26 2018 16: 27
            The following is from Noah's Ark magazine from 2012.
            In fact, the Greeks and Armenians, despite all the hardships that fell on their lot, did not want to leave Crimea at all. Kozlovskiy Greeks said: “Though they will chop us with sabers, we still won’t leave anywhere! ..” Armenians also begged the khan to save them from such a misfortune. In the family of Popovs from the village of Styl in the Donetsk region, a tradition is kept (from the great-great-grandmother of the mistress), according to which, in the Crimean Styl no one knew that they were going to resettle. Everything was unexpected: some people arrived on carts and began to rush residents: "Let's leave! Get ready!". Nobody wanted to leave, people had to be forced to almost force. Many were sure that they would come back. Did not return.

            Half of the migrants died from cold, hunger and disease during the transition, which lasted for a year and a half. It was led by Alexander Suvorov, an Armenian by mother (Nonsense!!! I wasn’t - my footnote), he tried to alleviate the plight of the settlers. But he was a soldier and carried out the order he received. The people were thrown into the hungry, cold, deserted steppe. People had to spend the winter in the bare steppe in dugouts and tents, many went crazy from the cold. Rostov historian Vladimir Sidorov in private conversations called the mentioned actions of the tsarist authorities genocide. Archimandrite Petros Markosyan also died during the transition.


            Details: http://noev-kovcheg.ru/mag/2012-02/3039.html#ixzz
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            But the main thing has been done. Crimea has been cleared of unwanted Christian landowners.
            And Muslim Tatars can not be reckoned with.
            I believe that it is A.V. Suvorov made sure that all the papers (who had) the right to own land in the Crimea during the resettlement were "lost." In any case, none of the evicted subsequently claimed any rights to land and property in Crimea. And did not try to sue.
            PS It is interesting that when moving, in general, to a small distance, with the most favorable attitude from the authorities, both the Russian Empire and the Crimean Khanate, under the organization of A.V. Suvorov in 1778 killed more than half of the resettled Armenians.
            In 1915, basically the same thing happened as in 1778. Only the scale of resettlement was greater. And the path is more authentic. But what a different attitude to events.
  60. +1
    April 26 2018 21: 42
    Quote: Seal
    Quote: Rolex
    This base, that is, the 102nd, is not needed by anyone except the Armenians .... especially for Russia. In the courtyard of the 21st century ...... what other base in Armenia?

    About the base. The base is not located on the territory of the Republic of Armenia at the request of the Republic of Armenia. I remember a couple of years ago or the year before, when the Armenian leadership tried to do something wrong, our President immediately said, “Well, then we’ll withdraw the base.” Armenia immediately backed down.
    The base will not be able to contain any Turkish forces, since on the Turkish side there are commanding heights, on the reverse side of which there is probably Turkish barrel artillery of German (NATO) production. She will destroy our base. Our Russian guys are just hostages there.
    If a big war breaks out, such that we have to ignore the borders of Georgia, then it will be a nuclear war. And in such a nuclear war, nothing at all depends on our base.


    +100! But.... but in implementing the request of the most EFF, that is, in the deployment of the Russian base in Gyumri, Pavel Grachev (former Defense Ministry) also played an important role, who had very close relations with the Armenian leadership and Armenian business!

    As for the base.....it really has no real military value for Russia!
    It, as you have already indicated, is cut off from Russia by Georgia, which is not loyal to the Russian Federation from a military point of view. A priori, base 102 is a hostage to its location. Sorry for the tautology, but I will emphasize once again that it was created only thanks to Pavel Grachev (“carrot love” for the Armenians) and the nationwide howl of the Armenians.
    The sad thing is that the top managers of the Kremlin did not see the cunning and deceit in this even then. For the Armenians needed this base only so that behind the broad back of the Russian soldier it would be easy to bark at neighboring countries. That is, base 102 was a deterrent, a shield for the descendants of the fascist Nzhdeh, whom the Armenians elevated to the ranks of saints!

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