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Telegram show: the fight against terrorism or reputation?

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Circus telegram show is gaining momentum. Apparently, yes, our power holding bureaucrats just needed this bucket of cold water on their heads or a wet rag over it.




We simply cannot expect anything else, since we witnessed with our own eyes the all-Ukrainian disgrace with the blocking of "classmates" and "VKontakte" in the recent past.

And we see Rutreker’s “total blockage” in Russia today.

Telegram show: the fight against terrorism or reputation?


Apparently, "will be enough." It is necessary to wallow in the mud finally and irrevocably, to present oneself as near-minded savages who cannot agree and, most importantly, turn against not the smallest part of the population of the country.

Но обо всем по порядку.

63 article 126-ФЗ, or Roskomnadzor - Logic: 0-1

Telegram - client correspondence for mobile devices. It offers the user an exchange of photo / video / text information. Apolitical. Safe. NOT ANONYMOUS! At the same time, there is a special mandatory registration rule. Those. The phone number is used as an identifier.

Immediately, the question of “left-handed” SIM cards pops up immediately on the “Borey” on Lake Ladoga. But the question is immediately redirected to the cellular companies. It is their prerogative and their responsibility. Durov and his brainchild are obviously not in the business here.

The technical side of the issue.

Two types of encryption are possible during correspondence.

The first. "Open correspondence." The encryption key is stored on the server. History correspondence is saved. In this case, if necessary, you can get information about the correspondence.

Second. "Closed correspondence." The key is generated only on devices that participate in the dialogue. The server cannot store the correspondence, but stores information about the session, i.e. who, to whom, how much, when.

Roskomnadzor began to cove in 2017 year, as soon as Telegram began to develop. The head of Roskomnadzor has publicly sent an appeal to Pavel Durov with a request to provide information about the company for the subsequent inclusion of the messenger Telegram into the Register of information dissemination organizers on the network.

The following data was required from Durov: full and abbreviated name, country of registration, tax identifier and / or identifier in the trade register of the country of registration, location address, postal address, email address, domain name, email address of the resource administrator, hosting provider, and description of the service provided services.

Later, under the pretext of "anti-terror", they began to demand correspondence, encryption keys, etc.

Then began the threat of blocking.

Durov’s policy was similar to Apple’s.

Apple declined to provide information and resources to unlock the murdered terrorist’s iPhone. The FBI appealed for help to Apple on the basis of the law “All Writs Act” of 1789 of the year (the current edition of 1911 d), under which a third party is obliged to assist in the investigation of a criminal case.

Apple refused to assist agents, citing the US Constitution (the First Amendment protects freedom of speech and guarantees the company the right to “not be forced to speak”). The bureau broke it themselves, broke it through the 2 month in the laboratory.

About blockages and hemorrhoidal colic

To begin with, blocking access is stupid. Insanely stupid. On the border with the idiocy of the Ukrainian sample. There will always be VPN services. Proxy-anonymizers and other heresy, which is based on the principles of the network as such. This is one of the elephants. That is, the first computer can access the second via the third or directly. While it is possible to connect to the third, fourth, fifth, and so on, the first will always get access to the second. If the second one wants it, of course.

In case of restriction of access to the service (second computer), the service will always find a connection. "Windmills". Denying the service "want" access to yourself is not physically possible. Especially in the territory of another state (Don Quixote).

Roskomnadzor activities now



Of course, it’s hardly possible to hit harder on the face than it is now. About 15 millions of ip-addresses are currently blocked. Google, Amazon, Ebay, addresses of servers of Internet games got under a batch.

This "Grads" drive the locust in the fields. Locusts, of course, will diminish health, but what will happen to the field is a question.

And why? And all because in this country there is no place for professionals. Of course, there are professionals, the only question is how high they are allowed to go. Who surrounds the head of Roskomnadzor Alexander Zharov, it is not clear. But either there are no knowledgeable people at all, or the anesthesiologist Zharov does not listen to their opinion.

As a result, the disgrace of the all-Russian scale from Mr. Zharov and his department.

"The blocking of the Telegram messenger has become a" serious challenge. " And, by the way, Zharov does not deny that Google and Amazon, who have fallen under the distribution, decide whether they will work in Russia at all.

And what is there, let's close the entire Internet. And there will be no problems as if from the word “absolutely” ...

“We expect that both Amazon and Google are focused on their business, not political motives” (Alexander Zharov).

Fir-trees, thick forest! These are not political motives, this is what the Internet was invented for. This is a free exchange of information between people without restrictions. It all started just for that.

Madame Zakharova from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation says that it is not necessary to block, it is necessary to register users. Look in the first paragraph. Phone number. This is the passport data, this location. Few? Enough. If you put the case as expected, and not as we (mobile operators) want.

And the funny thing.

If Mr. Zharov and those who advised him to block this nonsense, are really sure that they have really stepped on the throat of terrorism in the country and the world, we will disappoint.

Any messenger is enough for semi-encrypted messages. Though "ICQ". For serious things, there are serious things. In Roskomnadzor, such a word as “darknet” most likely simply does not know. How do doctors and other "specialists" know about such intimate things on the Internet?

Nevertheless, he, “darknet”, exists. And in it, completely anonymously, all operations are to be discussed, planned and coordinated, which should be safely hidden from anyone's eyes.

And what in the square and the streets will drive out hamsters, horses, vkontakte or telegram - there is no difference. Thank God, there are enough messengers.

What do we have at the exit?

1. Absolutely (not surprisingly) incompetent officials who solve issues related to information security. Here and Zharov, here and presidential adviser on Internet issues Klimenko. Possession of LiveInternet is not a reason to broadcast what is, to put it mildly, incompetent. So Klimenko also fell into possession of a torrent tracker. Full set, in short.

2. The fact that Telegram in Russia will work - do not go to Ukraine for an answer. But the question is: what kind of advertising worldwide Durov at the expense of Russia? Messenger affected by the "bloody gebni" - well, what could be better?

If they block in Russia, which, we recall, 174-i from 196-ti in the list of free countries in the information plan, then “we must take”. And they will take. This is an advertisement.

3. Pavel Durov did what Lyosha Navalny could not. On level ground bungle the protest movement, which is only gaining acceleration - this is strong. And the response will be much more powerful, because Navalny had some abstract “evil and thieving officials” who made life worse, but Durov is a bit different.

This state in the person of Roskomnadzor encroaches on the freedom of the younger generations. On "their" Telegram. This is more serious than swindlers and thieves of Navalny. You will see.

Actually, the state this time is just great: to kick the most inert part of the citizens in a very painful way - this is a very delicate plan ...

However, on this point so far everything. Time will tell how wrong we are.

It only remains to add that all these silly games are very expensive. The entire activity of the organization of the RKN only in 2017 was spent over 9 billion rubles. Of which 5,5 - payment providers for blocking.

Zero sense, but as we fight ...

The worst thing is that even "back to pass" can not. Already nafirchali and boasted to the whole world. And to say that “we did not shmogly” is to admit that the gentlemen from the RKN simply spend their working hours worthlessly and even more stupidly spend public money.

Actually, it is, and nowhere to go from this.

It is a fact that Durov and the Russian fans of his creation will win the Telegram war with a crash. The fact that Russian armless and headless officials once again get into a puddle is a fact.

Most of all, we are interested in where the wind will blow in the heads of Internet creatures before the age of 20.
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  1. Vard
    Vard April 19 2018 05: 44
    +18
    In the west, the tech who planned the evil communicate through online games ... Let's ban the tanks ...
    1. dSK
      dSK April 19 2018 07: 39
      +14
      Quote: Vard
      Let's ban the tanks ...

      Will life end on earth? Eyes will be more whole. Summer begins, "communicate" with nature, breathe fresh air.
      1. umah
        umah April 19 2018 10: 03
        +11
        The best way to combat Telegram would be to limit financial activity in Russia. Arrest accounts and all! There is no revenue from advertising and other things - and the content of the servers becomes unprofitable. And unprofitable projects themselves are closed.

        And the fact that the ILV arranged is of course stupid.
        1. jjj
          jjj April 19 2018 10: 33
          +24
          When the same citizen Durov discovered everything that is possible for our Western "partners" and even in the developing countries of the "third world" behaves neatly and only in Russia makes himself an "implacable fighter for rights", questions arise. There is practical anti-state activity.
          Now let's see if c. Did Durov write software? Other people did it. Is it possible to guarantee the complete safety of correspondence from the fact that others will not see it? No matter how trying to assure us otherwise. Can Telegram activities be minimized? There is such a technical possibility, while several more urgent tasks in this area are being solved. And do not forget that the very concept of the Internet overnight can become an anachronism when new technologies are deployed.
          By the way, I would like to note that the impulse of the authors of the article under discussion, directed against the "arbitrariness of officials" is more likely also reminiscent of activities against the state and the Telegram advertisement
          1. reservist
            reservist April 19 2018 12: 31
            +12
            Quote: jjj
            When the same citizen Durov discovered everything that is possible for our Western "partners" and even in the developing countries of the "third world" behaves neatly and only in Russia makes himself an "implacable fighter for rights", questions arise. There is practical anti-state activity.

            it would be nice to ask how in these countries they "pressed" Durov ...
            in the same place it seems like such nonsense as blocking by ip do not suffer ...

            Now let's see if c. Did Durov write software? Other people did it. Is it possible to guarantee the complete safety of correspondence from the fact that others will not see it? No matter how trying to assure us otherwise.

            so maybe it was necessary to work not with Durov, but with those very “other people” ...

            Can Telegram activities be minimized? There is such a technical possibility, while several more urgent tasks in this area are being solved.

            If not a secret, announce the list of tasks.

            And do not forget that the very concept of the Internet overnight can become an anachronism when new technologies are deployed.

            do you have time to deploy before the end of the day?
            what to do now ... already "caught" the first problem with downloading updates through a freshly docker

            By the way, I would like to note that the impulse of the authors of the article under discussion, directed against the "arbitrariness of officials"

            it is written that "arbitrariness" is a consequence of stupidity and incompetence

            rather reminds also activity against the state

            What is the "corpus delicti"?
            The trouble is, if the cobbler starts the cakes,
            And the boots stitch the pastry,
            And things won’t work out.
            Yes, and a hundredfold
            What who loves to take someone else’s craft,
            He forever others stubborn and foolish:
            It’s better to ruin everything,
            And glad soon
            The laughing stock of becoming light
            Than honest and knowledgeable people
            Ask il for advice.
            (C) Krylov I.A., 1813


            and Telegram advertising

            after what has already happened, additional advertising is unlikely to be needed ...
          2. andj61
            andj61 April 19 2018 13: 44
            +2
            2. The fact that Telegram in Russia will work - do not go to Ukraine for an answer. But the question is: what kind of advertising worldwide Durov at the expense of Russia? Messenger affected by the "bloody gebni" - well, what could be better?
            Quote: jjj
            when the same citizen Durov discovered everything that is possible for our Western "partners" and even in the developing countries of the "third world" behaves neatly and only in Russia makes himself an "implacable fighter for rights", then questions arise. There is practical anti-state activity.

            Yes, here is another option possible - Durov put up by the Russian state a kind of noble "fighter with a bloody regime." yes So now the same FSB can take advantage of this, secretly cooperating with Durov! fellow Such is the next "cunning Plan"! bully hi
          3. cherrybuster
            cherrybuster April 19 2018 17: 58
            +1
            what did he discover? To whom? when?
        2. Nechaev
          Nechaev April 19 2018 10: 43
          +9
          Quote: umah
          The best way to combat Telegram would be to limit financial activity in Russia. Arrest accounts and all! There is no revenue from advertising and other things - and the content of the servers becomes unprofitable. And unprofitable projects themselves are closed.

          And the fact that the ILV arranged is of course stupid.

          The fact of the matter is that there is no advertising in the Telegram. And there are no accounts either ..
        3. Max B
          Max B April 19 2018 10: 45
          +19
          Telegrams do not conduct financial activities in Russia, there is nothing to arrest, and there is no advertising there either. So before writing, sometimes you need to understand at least a little.
          1. umah
            umah April 19 2018 11: 08
            +9
            Telegram does not conduct financial activities in Russia
            Where did you get this from? Do you think that Durov pays for the server at his own expense solely from altruism? I no longer believe in fairy tales about the good Robin Hood and the evil king. If you do not see the commercial basis of the project, this does not mean that it does not exist.
            1. umah
              umah April 19 2018 11: 16
              +4
              Here is a quote from the Telegram affiliate network website:
              Each participant has the opportunity to create for himself an excellent, constantly growing * removed by censorship * from the sale of advertising on his channel in Telegram
            2. cherrybuster
              cherrybuster April 19 2018 18: 00
              0
              present such sources
            3. Babalaykin
              Babalaykin April 19 2018 20: 10
              +1
              Yes, just bigdat collect on a planetary scale)))
          2. your1970
            your1970 April 19 2018 12: 11
            +2
            Quote: Max B
            Telegrams do not conduct financial activities in Russia, there is nothing to arrest, and there is no advertising there either. So before writing, sometimes you need to understand at least a little.
            -on what basis do they exist then? due to what s / n they pay ?? or do they like?
            1. S-kerrigan
              S-kerrigan April 23 2018 06: 21
              0
              As if Durov had a state of such proportions that "a hundred people can’t earn a lifetime". He can afford it. IT is the same. You are simply infinitely far from all this, since you do not understand the mechanisms / volumes of earnings.
        4. Normal ok
          Normal ok April 21 2018 18: 17
          0
          Quote: umah
          The best way to combat Telegram would be to limit financial activity in Russia. Arrest accounts and all!

          Did you catch the promise of the article?
        5. marsel1524
          marsel1524 April 23 2018 10: 46
          0
          "https://en.linkedin.com/" where? so this will be closed.
  2. Winnie76
    Winnie76 April 19 2018 05: 48
    +29
    Typical watchman syndrome. Don't let anyone go anywhere ...
  3. Deck
    Deck April 19 2018 05: 51
    +23
    9 billion ILV is money invested in computer education! After all kinds of locks, only the lazy one does not know about proxy and VPN. Online literacy is growing. And in the future, a monument will be erected to Zharov. Well, if you don’t get under investigation, how are his employees
    1. reservist
      reservist April 19 2018 12: 34
      +4
      Quote: Deck
      After all the locks, only the lazy one does not know about proxy and VPN

      +1
      With competent users, “butt” is much more difficult ...
  4. fa2998
    fa2998 April 19 2018 05: 59
    +28
    The Internet is like a bone in the throat for the authorities. If it doesn’t work out with blocking and other measures, it will be completely banned (or they will take the experience of China), but the Internet really hinders official propaganda. hi
    1. populist
      populist April 19 2018 08: 03
      +19

      fa2998 (Andrey)
      wow, the internet is a hindrance to official propaganda.

      The Kremlin propagandist Mikheev every time and every time complains on the air on the Internet. He says that the Internet is such a cesspool ... wassat
      What is the reason for the dislike of official propaganda to the Internet? An official propagandist can speak in a box for an hour, and another, and a third .. But a couple of lines and a propagandist come in full knockout from the Internet. And you will not forbid to answer, and you will not close access, as on television. Internet beats propaganda angry
      1. Axon
        Axon April 23 2018 13: 47
        0
        .......... from the Internet comes a couple of lines and the propagandist is in full knockout .............
        usually the opposite
    2. ZAV69
      ZAV69 April 19 2018 10: 24
      +7
      Where did you find government propaganda? It is absent along with the imputed information doctrine.
      1. populist
        populist April 19 2018 12: 05
        +10

        ZAV69 (Zhukov A.V.)
        Where did you find government propaganda

        Don't be so naive hi Television and radio broadcasts are received only by pro-government propagandists.
        It is absent along with the imputed information doctrine.

        They simply do not voice the principles of their information policy. sad
        1. trahterist
          trahterist April 19 2018 17: 38
          +1
          Ok, what if I haven’t been using TV or radio for 8 years?
  5. Mussasi
    Mussasi April 19 2018 06: 00
    +3
    Yes, the Telegram made excellent advertising and nothing more. Maybe this was the task. You did not think about it! ?
    1. Azim77
      Azim77 April 19 2018 07: 30
      +19
      Not all rebels and anarchists. Telegram will suffer from this action. There are many alternatives to it and litigation, all sorts of locks will only reduce the attractiveness of the program. Those who want to be supposedly completely “protected” do not make up a large part of the population; look at how ordinary people openly spread information about themselves on OK, in Contacts, on Facebook.
      And the state should control everything inside the country. Imagine that Telegram is a closed container that is transported domestically. At the request of the traffic police to open and show that inside they refuse to obey. Is it authorized in this case to open the state for clarification? Or when crossing the border should not be allowed into the country?
      1. Lizzzard
        Lizzzard April 19 2018 08: 53
        +9
        Telegram will suffer from this action.

        So far, the number of TG users in the Russian Federation has only increased after being blocked due to ILV “advertising”. Only Voronezh bombed, and all to no purpose. As always, however.
        1. stivev
          stivev April 19 2018 12: 45
          +1
          "For now, the number of TG users in the Russian Federation has only grown." Maybe provide the numbers.
      2. reservist
        reservist April 19 2018 12: 40
        +4
        Quote: Azim77
        Imagine that Telegram is a closed container transported domestically

        presented

        At the request of the traffic police to open and show that inside they refuse to obey.

        Nope ... they say that they do not have the keys to the container ...

        Is it authorized in this case to open the state for clarification?

        yes, eligible
        probably need a crowbar, a sledgehammer and a man who will break the container door ...

        Or when crossing the border should not be allowed into the country?

        may not be allowed, but one container, and not all containers of the same color and size ...
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn April 19 2018 08: 55
      +1
      Quote: Mussashi
      Yes, the Telegram made excellent advertising and nothing more. Maybe this was the task. You did not think about it! ?

      Well, Telegram will now be released as the only network structure that guarantees the security of personal data and the fight against the state structure that has proved this. so there are already conspiracy theories that Durov paid Zharov for such an amazing advertisement all over the world fellow
      1. forty-eighth
        forty-eighth April 19 2018 09: 20
        +1
        Laughter with laughter, and this action takes place against the background of the release of his cryptocurrency by Durov. The price of the issue is hundreds of billions of dollars. By close subscription, it was planned to sell tokens for $ 850 million, and sold already for $ 2 billion. And this is only the first month of pre-sales.
        So it’s all in all seriousness to be Durov’s PR, and it would be great if Russia would become the main beneficiary
        1. Mikech76
          Mikech76 April 20 2018 07: 02
          0
          considering how many investors were from Russia
          One of them is Roman Abramovich. He alone could invest up to $ 300 million in Telegram. According to the Secret, Durov and Abramovich are familiar and often communicate for several years.

          On February 16, the names of two more Russian investors Durov became known. These are Wimm-Bill-Dann Founder David Yakobashvili and Qiwi founder Sergey Solonin. The first invested $ 10 million, the second - 17 million. Businessmen told RBC about this.


          which could well influence the court ..
          So the fact that this is all a great hoax and advertising was understandable.

          It’s more scary in recent days that Pashka is being put on the podium of the great “fighter against the regime” and the opposition. It would not be in place of the Lesch and sternum
      2. jjj
        jjj April 19 2018 10: 36
        +5
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        there are already conspiracy theories that Durov paid Zharov for such an amazing advertisement all over the world

        Roskomnadzor, blocking Telegram, executes a court decision on a lawsuit by the FSB
      3. reservist
        reservist April 19 2018 12: 51
        +2
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        ... there are already conspiracy theories that Durov paid Zharov for such an amazing advertisement all over the world

        why pay, if you can just "divorce"
        It seems that the ILV actions were predictable and calculated ...
  6. Strashila
    Strashila April 19 2018 06: 02
    +7
    "Apple refused to assist agents, referring to the US Constitution (The First Amendment protects freedom of speech and guarantees the company the right" not to be forced to speak "). They broke it at the bureau themselves, broke it in 2 months in the laboratory." ... no more than show-offs, they are friends with the state there ... it can always deprive sweets ... of a state order or create any difficulties, there are a lot of articles in their Criminal Code.
    1. cherrybuster
      cherrybuster April 19 2018 18: 30
      +1
      you obviously never were in the USA
  7. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 April 19 2018 07: 00
    +19
    Of course, there are professionals, the only question is how high they are allowed.
    Naturally they are not allowed anywhere. Loyal and executive, not professionals, are allowed upstairs. And this is the SYSTEM. In all departments, it is enough to come to the clinic, where graduates of the late 90s now work. I’m silent about the Ministry of Internal Affairs. I'm here for a very old episode ( repeat ) opera ur searched, year and a half searched. And the phone number was not destiny to break through in the department K. laughing Now they don’t know how to work on earth, they only calculate rogues in Odnoklassniki or Vkontakte. And this is the elite of the Ministry of Internal Affairs! laughing
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack April 19 2018 07: 10
      +9
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      I’m here ... they’ve searched for opera UR, they searched for a year and a half. And the phone number was not destiny to break through in department K

      Reminded of a joke about Elusive Joe for some reason.
      If there was a real need for you - you would find, don’t linger wink
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 April 19 2018 07: 51
        +5
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Reminded of a joke about Elusive Joe for some reason.
        If there was a real need for you - you would find, don’t linger
        Real need? Pussycat - and do you think they’ve addressed me just 10 times, DOOR TO KISS DOOR? wink
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack April 19 2018 07: 53
          +5
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          and in your opinion they’re just 10 times addressed to me just like that, THE KISS DOOR COME?

          Well, you say that ... and nobody canceled the words "check" yes
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Pussycat ...

          ... OSA laughing
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 April 19 2018 07: 59
            +8
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            and the words "tick" no one has yet canceled

            Of course, there’s nothing for the opera to do, as for show in different parts of the city, knock down your legs! good They have no operational accounting at all, they were canceled due to the reduction in staffing! wassat
            Pussycat, you wouldn’t climb into it, in which you don’t bother. wink
          2. andj61
            andj61 April 19 2018 13: 56
            +2
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            and in your opinion they’re just 10 times addressed to me just like that, THE KISS DOOR COME?
            Well, you say that ... and nobody canceled the words "check"

            Or they planned to tacit behind the scenes - you may be aware of the essence of a possible collision - but did not want to start an official DOP, DOR, etc. And without this, you won’t make an official request to the appropriate service, nor to a cellular company.
            With a high degree of probability, you yourself could have “run into” them, saying to the Internal Affairs Directorate and the prosecutor's office that unidentified people are breaking through your door at night and invading your personal life. In this case, no official calls are sent. Yes, and even put photos. The sense of all this is a little, but the nerves would have spoiled the operatives. hi
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 April 19 2018 17: 14
              +1
              Quote: andj61
              In this case, no official calls are sent.

              The agenda was .... a million. laughing And the case was not closed. There, the Puncher answered clearly. hi
    2. Hole puncher
      Hole puncher April 19 2018 09: 32
      +4
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      And the phone number was not destiny to break through in the department K.

      Because they do not know how and no one teaches. In UR, they don’t like to contact technical services at all, it’s necessary to go to the office, find a secretary, take a form for a request from USM, register the form in your inventory. Then fill it out correctly, and no one knows how to fill it out correctly, then take the form to USTM in the city administration, they will study it, they will say that the form is filled out incorrectly and will be sent back (it’s good if you tell me how, but they might not tell you what type you have boss, he must show). You go back to the secret room, hand over the used form (through the inventory), take a new one and continue in a circle. And yes, in USMT not every day requests are accepted. And yes, the secretary is not always possible to catch on the spot. It is possible by internal mail, but it is even longer.
      This was of course a long time ago, at the time of the police, but as far as I know, nothing really changed.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 April 19 2018 09: 35
        +3
        Quote: Puncher
        you need to go to the office, find a secretary, take a request form in USTM

        Exactly. And personal ties have sunk into oblivion with the departure of old employees. request
  8. Hux lua
    Hux lua April 19 2018 07: 06
    +8
    Hehe, 3 years ago, when I said "Now I’m going through VPN / proxy," there were a lot of questions for me ... Now even the most broken one knows what it is and how it works.
    1. S-kerrigan
      S-kerrigan April 23 2018 06: 27
      0
      как это работает

      I do not agree with this - for a specialist who understands how does it work for real pay good money. People just "well, here is tyk-tyk and it works.... magically. "So there is no real knowledge here at all. Only at the level of a repeating monkey.
  9. raw174
    raw174 April 19 2018 07: 15
    +5
    Something I'm not in the topic at all ... A year ago I changed the button to a smartphone (presented), I don’t use any applications ... I don’t care about social networks and instant messengers, this is not worthy of attention ...
    1. Alex_59
      Alex_59 April 19 2018 08: 07
      +14
      Quote: raw174
      Do not care about social networks and messengers, this is not worthy of attention ...

      Grandfathers also spoke about television and radio, and great-grandfathers about a steam locomotive and an airplane.
      1. raw174
        raw174 April 19 2018 08: 21
        +7
        Quote: Alex_59
        Grandfathers also spoke about television and radio, and great-grandfathers about a steam locomotive and an airplane.

        I speak about my personal attitude, and the state should deal with the issue. I am for censorship, especially on the Internet. Look, the Chinese are censoring well done!
        1. Alex_59
          Alex_59 April 19 2018 08: 27
          +4
          Quote: raw174
          I speak about my personal attitude, and the state should deal with the issue. I am for censorship, especially on the Internet. Look, the Chinese are censoring well done!

          Clear. Well, that's the opinion that everyone has their own. )))
          But I do not agree about censorship. And it will not work in the Russian Federation, as it is done in the PRC. Unfortunately or fortunately. Technically not possible.
          1. RelictEmpire
            RelictEmpire April 19 2018 12: 49
            0
            Why is it impossible? Technically - as easy as shelling pears
            1. Greenwood
              Greenwood April 19 2018 14: 23
              +4
              Quote: RelictEmpire
              Technically - as easy as shelling pears
              Telegram example before the eyes. So simple. laughing
              And yes, in the same China, under the proxy, you can run Google, and YouTube, and Facebook, it would be a desire.
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    2. reservist
      reservist April 19 2018 14: 09
      +4
      Quote: raw174
      changed the button on the smartphone (presented), I don’t use any applications ... Do not care for social networks and instant messengers

      Sorry, but what for you then a smartphone?
      In the same messenger, you can see whether the message was delivered to the addressee, whether he read it, the Russian Post application shows the stages of the movement of the parcel before arriving at the post office, traffic jams are visible on Yandex maps, etc. ...
      those. a certain functionality appeared on the smartphone, which is not on a regular “dialer” phone ...
      1. raw174
        raw174 April 19 2018 14: 21
        0
        Quote: reservist
        Sorry, but what for you then a smartphone?

        Presented at a previous job. Minister of Sports of the Chelyabinsk Region L.Ya. Oder gave)))
        Well, I use the navigator, now I can use the online bank, but when the smartphone breaks, I will get the old balalaika with buttons.
        By the way, I'm not old, as it may seem, I'm a little over 30 smile
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood April 19 2018 14: 46
          +4
          Now the smartphone has actually turned into a portable computer with a bunch of functions, which is always with you. As written above, it is messengers, and audio-video communications, and the Internet, and online payments, and an audio-video player, and games, and a photo-video camera, and much, much more, which is difficult for a modern person to do without. . It is foolish not to use such opportunities. Although of course everyone decides for himself.
          1. Alex_59
            Alex_59 April 19 2018 14: 59
            +1
            Quote: Greenwood
            It is foolish not to use such opportunities.

            Yes, the whole business goes there, that's what! B2C at least. If you are not on the client’s phone, then you simply don’t. Yandex metric shows that 60% of views from mobile devices, and sometimes under 70.
        2. reservist
          reservist April 19 2018 15: 16
          0
          Quote: raw174
          Presented at a previous job. Minister of Sports of the Chelyabinsk Region L.Ya. Oder gave)))

          Well, if the minister’s gift, then it’s clear that there’s no getting anywhere ...
          it's like with a telecom donated by a general (32 "), the room is already occupied by its own (47"), but does not fit into the kitchen ...

          Well, I use the navigator, now I can use the online bank, but when the smartphone breaks, I will get the old balalaika with buttons.

          if your smartphone’s capabilities are not particularly needed, then a “dialer” may be even more convenient, it’s easier to choose the right size, the size of a hand, and the battery charge due to the lack of a large screen, 3 / 4G and Wi-Fi lasts longer ...

          By the way, I'm not old, as it may seem, I'm a little over 30 smile

          and in my family of the older generation (over 70), the focus with returning from smart to the “dialer” will no longer pass, grannies mastered skype / watsup (live in different cities), payment of communal services, etc.
    3. Greenwood
      Greenwood April 19 2018 14: 22
      +2
      Quote: raw174
      Something I'm not in the subject at all
      Strange, you are about 30, it seems. Do not you need correspondence with colleagues, friends, relatives?
      1. raw174
        raw174 April 19 2018 14: 33
        +1
        Quote: Greenwood
        Strange, you are about 30, it seems. Do not you need correspondence with colleagues, friends, relatives?

        I do not like correspondence, I prefer to call, it is sometimes necessary, then I write SMS or e-mail.
        1. Captain45
          Captain45 April 19 2018 21: 11
          +2
          Quote: raw174
          I do not like correspondence, I prefer to call, it is sometimes necessary, then I write SMS or e-mail.

          A living word is better than a dead letter, I support. Himself so.
  10. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat April 19 2018 07: 29
    +10
    And what is there, let's close the entire Internet. And there will be no problems as if from the word “absolutely” ...

    Oooh Everything goes to this. The Internet in Russia is gradually being limited, step by step, and taken under complete control. Under the pretext of combating "terrorism" and the "fifth" column. The “Chinese” version of the “freedom” of the Internet was taken as a sample.
    1. K.A.S.
      K.A.S. April 19 2018 07: 53
      +14
      I would like to hear your opinion about the control of the media and the Internet in the light of democracy, and in the West in general! For example, ban and restrict RT! Or a chemical attack in Syria!
      Freedom is not permissiveness!
      What was wrong with the telegram that he got into a pose? That's just about freedom of speech and caring for people is not necessary!
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat April 19 2018 08: 52
        +13
        About the "prohibitions in the light of democracy." In this "lighter" there is a law "prohibiting the" prohibition "of access to information or its restriction." No one restricts your RT — just few people sign contracts with him for broadcasting, “because of the lack of an audience,” and only ... And “chemical attacks” are covered by a lot of media outlets, and in different ways, from complete trust to complete disbelief and making fun of Trump, for "credulity." In addition, in the United States, in some media, Trump is openly ridiculed and bullied. And in the Russian media about the Russian president, as a "dead" -or only good or "nothing" ....
        1. K.A.S.
          K.A.S. April 19 2018 09: 16
          +4
          You are cunning !!!! as well as laws on access to information after September 11! Oh, how many sloppies and chuckles on Putin in the Russian media can’t be counted, for example, take IN !!!
          You tales about reluctant to cooperate with others Brought by you
          RT example, this is a ban! This is how to help a businessman make a decision to share money with bandits after putting a soldering iron in his ass!
          Your media can say a lot of things and laugh too, but your authorities do not care about their opinion and the opinion of the people! they decided to bomb Iraq Libya Syria and began to bomb! It is ridiculous to listen to a person’s opinion about law and dictatorship from a country that spat on laws and has seven Fridays in a week!
          1. Monster_Fat
            Monster_Fat April 19 2018 09: 38
            +7
            Ahhh ... Well, I see .... "September 11th ... in the media ... a soldering iron .... decided to bomb Iraq .... spat on the laws .... seven Fridays a week ... ".. hi
            1. jjj
              jjj April 19 2018 10: 42
              +3
              Quote: Monster_Fat
              seven fridays a week ..

              Are seven Fridays seven strict fasting days a week?
              No, it would be seven Saturdays ...
              1. Monster_Fat
                Monster_Fat April 19 2018 10: 46
                +3
                Ahhh ..... "fish day" - as I remember ...
            2. andj61
              andj61 April 19 2018 14: 04
              +3
              Quote: Monster_Fat
              Ahhh ... Well, I see .... "September 11th ... in the media ... a soldering iron .... decided to bomb Iraq .... spat on the laws .... seven Fridays a week ... ".. hi
              There are topics on which the USA has a complete consensus - either like this, or I am not at all interested in this topic! Well, try to find a media that completely rejects even the likelihood of Russian interference in the elections. repeat Do not take seriously suddenly discovered yes two dozen people rummaging through the state social networks! Then you too are an American hacker trying to influence the mood and will of the Russian people! fellow hi
        2. igorserg
          igorserg April 19 2018 11: 30
          0
          Interestingly violation of the "law" is punishable? or is the existence of the law purely to reassure the citizen, and he does not need to know about its observance by the state? something after Snowden did not feel any consequences.
    2. Alex_59
      Alex_59 April 19 2018 08: 06
      +5
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      Oooh Everything goes to this. The Internet in Russia is slowly being limited, step by step, and taken under complete control

      If they think that we live well, then they think that they are in control. Nothing succeeds. So far they have been making appearances, bluffing. But bypassing all the locks was not available to housewives and other inhabitants. This was done only by advanced marginals from the computer environment and did not blow into the mustache. What are the locks? There are none of them. And now the information that no locks really work has become publicly available, I think soon and housewives will use them. So everything goes to "exactly the opposite."
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      The “Chinese” version of the “freedom” of the Internet was taken as a sample.

      First you need to take the Chinese economy as a model, because huge investments are needed to create the Internet along the lines of China with its centralized "entry point" into the country.
      1. Evgeniy667b
        Evgeniy667b April 19 2018 09: 43
        +9
        Durov is a PR man! In such a business there are no people free of political conjuncture. The question immediately arises, who benefits from introducing him as a fighter for democracy? I don’t argue the inertia of thinking is present in the minds of officials, but all the FSB-service, Roskomnadzor are designed to fulfill the security of the Russian Federation and its interests. You can refer to their incompetence, but how then to understand a businessman from information? It turns out that for him it is a pleasure to wreak havoc on the heads of his followers and not only them, but will he cut coupons at the same time? Freedom Fighter. Information on the founders of Telegram is very interesting !? Now this major is located outside the Russian Federation. Cosmopolitan, a citizen of the world who is absolutely indifferent to the worries and problems in Russia! And everyone says that he is a fighter for democratic ideas !. The ghost of Sasha Solonik is not enough for him to be completely happy.
        1. Alex_59
          Alex_59 April 19 2018 13: 11
          +6
          Quote: Evgeniy667b
          Durov is a PR man! In such a business there are no people free of political conjuncture. The question immediately arises, who benefits from introducing him as a fighter for democracy?

          You do not see the main thing. The bottom line is that the state’s reputation loss from the fight against the telegram is already greater than the possible benefit of blocking it or decrypting its traffic.
          Reputational loss is an accomplished fact. They are objective, they are obvious. This is a small but defeat in the information field.
          And the benefits are illusory and perhaps not at all achievable, because blocking any material or reputational benefits does not give the state. Decryption of traffic will not give these benefits either, because Terrorists and other adversaries are unlikely to conduct an open exchange of data. And in order to encrypt the data you don’t need a messenger, a conditional negotiation table like “grandmother has arrived” - “load oranges with barrels” is enough.
          If I were Putin, I would have expelled all these FSB and Roskomnadzor officials from work for the damage that they brought to the image of our country with their clumsy actions.
          1. Evgeniy667b
            Evgeniy667b April 19 2018 18: 56
            +2
            As for officials, here you are right. But here Mr. Durov is called an honest businessman who is all by himself. Well, I just can’t. It’s not pure with him, for someone, and for some reason he had to be untwisted! He didn’t invent anything new, he just got into a certain niche, thanks to proteia, the influence of daddy at the initial stage. And no tax got it ??? Not clean with him !!!
            1. Alex_59
              Alex_59 April 19 2018 20: 49
              +3
              Quote: Evgeniy667b
              But here Mr. Durov is called an honest businessman who is all by himself. Well, I just can’t.

              Yes, I have the very figure of Durov does not cause any positive emotions. On the other hand, it’s not clean - for everyone. If someone is completely clean, then this is simply a flaw in the prosecutor's office. Durov is a nasty small guy, but hell, business is doing well. And now in the battle of two very vile forces in the form of Durov and the ILV, my sympathies are still on the side of Durov, albeit without enthusiasm.
  11. K.A.S.
    K.A.S. April 19 2018 07: 32
    +8
    I would like to listen to one other opinion! No one forbade telegrams, he was offered to cooperate, he refused and the result!
    If a person has nothing to hide, then what are they afraid of? Fans of child pornography, drug dealers and others who cover up their vices with concern for freedom of speech are afraid and indignant!
    1. Fox
      Fox April 19 2018 08: 22
      +7
      Quote: K.A.S.
      Fans of child pornography fear and resent

      og ... they sit, they are in the State Duma and are afraid ... like drug dealers.
    2. sergo1914
      sergo1914 April 19 2018 10: 34
      +7
      Quote: K.A.S.
      I would like to listen to one other opinion! No one forbade telegrams, he was offered to cooperate, he refused and the result!
      If a person has nothing to hide, then what are they afraid of? Fans of child pornography, drug dealers and others who cover up their vices with concern for freedom of speech are afraid and indignant!


      IMHO. Cooperate? Modern deep drilling office? They wanted to either "squeeze" a delicious candy, or asked to share denyuzhku. We are now a democratic country. Spring. Sons on graduation need new Zhypy. More expensive. Durov sent them. They started this gimmick. But since instead of the brain - the sciatic nerve - it turned out like this.
  12. Alex_59
    Alex_59 April 19 2018 08: 02
    +18
    I absolutely agree with the article.
    Moreover, I observe the reaction of people, ordinary people, my friends. Among which there were many people who were not interested in politics, or who stood on solid conservative positions. And today these people overnight became opponents of power and allies of Durov. Because they were born and raised not only in the Soviet era (80-ies), but also in the era of the free Internet (90-ies). Power overnight made their opponents thousands of people who were previously passively or moderately loyal. Many more people, having seen such a movement, said that from now on they put themselves telegrams and now use it, although before that they did not care.
    And Durov becomes from an ordinary businessman also a symbol of freedom. And now, if he wants to, he can easily transform this wave into a political plane with incredible success, inaccessible to Navalny and other Kasparov. The latter - balabol with a murky past and a zero list of successful cases. And Durov is a modern businessman, a man who made himself, a man who “did not want to,” but was challenged and struggling with him. In general, he now proudly roars in a white cloak over a dull routine. Bingo!
    1. K.A.S.
      K.A.S. April 19 2018 08: 34
      +12
      How many big words! You will read it straight to you because of blocking by court decision the uprising of Spartak will begin soon or the Pugachevsky riot!
      They ask the question that Durov was poorly offered, and why didn’t he?
      Do not think that his sharaga under the [quote] [/ quote] dense cap of US intelligence?
      do not be naive !!!! In a business with such fast results (a billionaire in a few years) do not do themselves (IMHO) !!!! Too shy to ask, you probably voted for sternum?
      1. Alex_59
        Alex_59 April 19 2018 09: 33
        +14
        Quote: K.A.S.
        They ask the question that Durov was poorly offered, and why didn’t he?

        And this question is no longer important to anyone except you. Public opinion by the clumsy actions of the authorities is formed in such a way that Durov is well done, power is a mossy bone. Who is to blame for this except for the government itself? The USSR also sawed a little. Somewhere with deliberate provocations, and somewhere in the government really stupid itself. The problem, both then and now, is that power has lagged behind life, it is not flexible, it does not meet the demands of the times. What prevents the authorities from keeping up with the times? Nothing but herself.
        Quote: K.A.S.
        You will read it straight to you because of blocking by court decision the uprising of Spartak will begin soon or the Pugachevsky riot!
        A stone wears away a drop of water. One hundred small mistakes of power can one day grow into one big Maidan.
        Quote: K.A.S.
        do not be naive !!!! In a business with such fast results (a billionaire in a few years) do not do themselves (IMHO) !!!!

        I myself have been doing business for over 10 years, I have both successful and failed projects. Therefore, I should not talk about naivety, not in the ears of the word. As for the "made myself". Some snotty boys and girls with the help of Youtube or other social networks in a couple of years become millionaires. It is a fact. You can envy them or consider that it is not worthy, not interesting, wretched. But you have not earned so much, but they have earned. And I did not work. They can, but we can not. We trynd what a bad telegram and the youth on its channels earn hundreds of thousands a month, that’s the whole story. Who is there who is immediately clear. You and I, along with Putin, Grudinin and Roskomnadzor, must be taken to the Museum of Antiquities.
        1. jjj
          jjj April 19 2018 10: 51
          +5
          Sorry, of course, but after ten years in business you still have a lot of illusions and a little cynicism has accumulated
          1. Alex_59
            Alex_59 April 19 2018 11: 56
            +4
            Quote: jjj
            Sorry, of course, but after ten years in business you still have a lot of illusions and a little cynicism has accumulated

            It's cool - I have a lot to come))))
      2. businessv
        businessv April 19 2018 11: 29
        +7
        Quote: K.A.S.
        Too shy to ask, you probably voted for sternum?

        And I'm not shy to ask! Did you pass the exam? Firstly, not Pugachevsky, but Pugachev, who is Emelyan Ivanovich. Secondly, there are startups that allow you to make good money in a relatively short time. And thirdly, I voted for Grudinin because he is one of the few constantly and consistently at least to do something not only for himself! And I was at his state farm too, I liked it! And you? hi
      3. reservist
        reservist April 19 2018 14: 18
        +1
        Quote: K.A.S.
        In a business with such fast results (a billionaire for several years), they themselves do not (IMHO) !!!!

        who after the movie "Social Network" will believe you ...
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich April 19 2018 11: 17
      +5
      Quote: Alex_59
      Among which there were many people who were not interested in politics, or who stood on solid conservative positions. And today these people overnight became opponents of power and allies of Durov. Because they were born and raised not only in the Soviet era (80s), but also in the era of the free Internet (90s).

      Well, what free internet in ...90-ies (1,5 million users 1999)? fool
      This is the same nonsense as your statement that people who grew up in 80's began to massively connect to Telegrams (which they did not hear about, most likely).
      1. Alex_59
        Alex_59 April 19 2018 12: 06
        +8
        Quote: Olgovich
        Well, what free Internet in ... 90-ies (1,5 million users 1999)?

        Well, zero, not exactly put it. Dial-up is everything. I think everyone who wanted to understand the meaning - they understood. People, even adults, and not just youth who are accustomed to modern IT technologies perceive them as a model of absolute freedom, where the main censors are their own intelligence. These are modern people who keep up with the times, open to change, educated, intellectually developed, free from clichés, stereotypes. When some dense, completely cave-like restrictions introduce such people, this aggravates people's discontent and defeats the resistance. And these are not some white petals, lovers of ducklings or Navalny.
        Quote: Olgovich
        This is the same nonsense as your statement that people who grew up in 80's began to massively connect to Telegrams (which they did not hear about, most likely).

        For God's sake, nonsense, as you say. ))) I'm not trying to convince anyone or to prove something. Just expressing my opinion.
        1. your1970
          your1970 April 19 2018 12: 19
          +6
          Quote: Alex_59
          When some dense, completely cave-like restrictions introduce such people, this aggravates people's discontent and defeats the resistance. And these are not some white petals, lovers of ducklings or Navalny.
          -and do you believe that they will go to the barricades ?? yeah ..
          scribbling on another telegram / facebook / classmates they will go with outrage and protest ...
          1. Alex_59
            Alex_59 April 19 2018 13: 03
            +6
            Quote: your1970
            -and do you believe that they will go to the barricades ?? yeah.

            No, they won’t go, but these people are migrating from a loyal attitude to the authorities towards quiet sabotage of government events. Only the government is to blame for this - it pushes a significant part of the people away from itself. And it saddens.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich April 20 2018 06: 00
              +1
              Quote: Alex_59
              No, they won’t go, but these people are migrating from a loyal attitude to the authorities towards quiet sabotage of government events.

              Elections showed-as far as You are not right.
          2. reservist
            reservist April 19 2018 15: 22
            +1
            Quote: your1970
            -and do you believe that they will go to the barricades ?? yeah ..

            no, I don’t believe it, but in the 80s, I also somehow did not believe that in 1991 this would happen ...
            1. your1970
              your1970 April 19 2018 17: 03
              +2
              Quote: reservist
              Quote: your1970
              -and do you believe that they will go to the barricades ?? yeah ..

              no, I don’t believe it, but in the 80s, I also somehow did not believe that in 1991 this would happen ...
              -and there was one nuance-state by this moment already died, as an organism, as a system ...
              In Novocherkassk and in Moscow (1993) the system was alive - as a result, the military arrived, shot and silence. For the viability of the state as a system, it is imperative to have a policy - able to give an impossible order and the military - able to execute any order without reasoning. In the absence of this, any the state is a corpse.
              Throughout the 20th century, this clearly shows - Nicholas 2, Chile, East Germany, Yugoslavia (Tito died and this patchwork crawled), the USSR, etc. - examples of the abyss
              1. reservist
                reservist April 19 2018 19: 42
                +1
                it’s good that they didn’t forget Nicholas II
                there were also Bloody Sunday with him in 1905, and execution at the Lena goldfields in 1912, i.e. there was someone to give orders and without reasoning to carry out ... only for the time being ...
                if you don’t change anything, or don’t have time to do it ... then the final will be like Nikolai the 2nd ...
                imho, some politicians who are able to give orders and the military, who will carry out them will not be enough, we need reformers, such as Stolypin, who will change in the state that, which then leads to impossible orders to give ...
                1. your1970
                  your1970 April 20 2018 08: 18
                  +1
                  Quote: reservist
                  imho, some politicians who are able to give orders and the military, who will carry out them will not be enough, we need reformers, such as Stolypin, who will change in the state that, which then leads to impossible orders to give ...
                  I didn’t say enough ONLY of these two positions. Gaddafi / Hussein was there, and both, alas, did not help ...
                  I talked about the fact that WITHOUT them - no reformers / progressists / etc. the state will not be saved from death at the slightest serious movements ..
                  1. reservist
                    reservist April 20 2018 11: 17
                    0
                    Well, we get that politicians with the military can sometimes save the state from mistakes or complete inaction / lack of reformers, etc. ...
                    but returning to our "elephant in the china shop", we get a gloomy conclusion that in the case of Durov, the damage from his activities for the state is more than good ...
        2. hhhhhhh
          hhhhhhh April 19 2018 14: 58
          +4
          Those who think they are free are sitting in the Venezuelan Embassy and hiding somewhere in the Russian Federation.
        3. Olgovich
          Olgovich April 20 2018 05: 58
          +2
          Quote: Alex_59
          Just saying his opinion.

          If it’s mine. You say the mythical set of people who supposedly share this nonsense .....
  13. konstantin68
    konstantin68 April 19 2018 08: 18
    +1
    A muddy story, it looks like a PR share. Or maybe the other way around, a demonstration flogging was arranged in order to cover up the real actions of the Cart’s leadership. I do not believe that the leadership of the social. networks not cooperating. I don’t believe that you are our “independent”!
  14. konstantin68
    konstantin68 April 19 2018 08: 20
    +1
    Quote: Alex_59
    And Durov becomes from an ordinary businessman also a symbol of freedom.

    Well, that's it!
  15. Salomet
    Salomet April 19 2018 08: 20
    +10
    Skororokhov simply killed. For the author whose articles I read with pleasure to subscribe to THIS !!!
    The first one. Do not listen to the media. The question was not about their millions of encryption keys, they are generated during the session almost randomly, but about the key generation algorithm. Knowledge of the algorithm will accelerate the decryption of messages at times if not tens of times.
    The second one. Why so many articles on how the ILV did not achieve anything? I got it. Many users of the cart go to other services, and this is money !!! Durov will fork out for his obstinacy.
    The third. Excuse me, but why do young people believe in a bike that the FSB is interested in their communication like: "Che, how," "Ololo no pysch pysch", "Tsemok"? People are busy with serious business.
    About business it generally dropped me under the table. Former boss, owner of a woodworking workshop, hired a schoolboy !!! Which installed him a plug-in in a phone with self-extracting encrypted archives. And he did not conduct all serious matters by telephone. That "wash" money, tax evasion, yes, here confidentiality is necessary.
    Forgive the SBU, this is far from the FSB, and then I heard one ingenious phrase in communication with an employee: “You don’t judge at the household level how specialists work. It’s like they know where people hide secrets by type of activity. And everyone who is encrypted in 90% of cases they act in the same way, and at the same time they think that they are geniuses and no one else guessed about it. "
    Roman with great respect to you, I ask you to think about the issue. Who was the initiator of the ILV? No FSB! Has the FSB reached its goals? HZ.
    The ILV simply complied with their request. What is the “fail”? The results are not their problem from the word at all. hi
    1. Fing
      Fing April 19 2018 08: 39
      +7
      Quote: Salomet
      Knowledge of the algorithm will accelerate the decryption of messages many times if not tens of times.

      To do this, you do not need to have access to the server side and break in while arranging mask shows. You can always request information about an individual session. Why a hat over the community?
      Excuse me, but why do young people believe in a bike that the FSB is interested in their communication such as: "Che, how," "Ololo no pyschka pyschka", "Tsemki"? People are busy with serious business.

      Where and how many times the FSB, hiding behind "serious deeds", did business push up, disagreeable people were shut down. Not everything is so rosy.
      The ILV simply complied with their request. What is the “fail”?
      Feil in one, did more harm than good.
      1. Salomet
        Salomet April 19 2018 12: 20
        +4
        [quote = Fing] [quote = Salomet] Knowledge of the algorithm will accelerate the decryption of messages many times if not tens of times. [/ Quote]
        To do this, you do not need to have access to the server side and break in while arranging mask shows. You can always request information about an individual session. Why a hat over the community? [/ quote]
        Which cap? Encryption takes place on one key for correspondence subscribers. Without a key or algorithm, breaking into the server room you will download gigabytes of cozyabra and admin porn.
        [quote] Excuse me, but why do young people believe in a bike that the FSB is interested in their communication like: "Che, how," "Ololo no pyschka pysch", "Tsemki"? People are busy with serious business. [/ Quote]

        Where and how many times the FSB, hiding behind "serious deeds", did business push up, disagreeable people were shut down. Not everything is so rosy. [/ quote]

        And how will they wring out via telegram? Will the statutory documents be rewritten? Seal put in the wrong place? Squeeze as before will be through the court. The problem is not that the FSB is pushing out, but that the courts are in proportion !!!

        [quote] ILV just fulfilled their request what was the “feil?” [/ quote] The feil in one, did more harm than the good they brought. [/ quote]
        To whom? Durov? Directly the most deprived, just a grandmother-a blockade. It was possible to solve everything in the world, show off, he probably knew what he was going on.
        1. Fing
          Fing April 19 2018 23: 16
          +2
          You, my friend, need to learn to read what is written, and not what you’ve thought of in your head.
          1. Where is it written about the Telegram spin?

          2. Why do you need a universal key to the entire building if you work in only one office? This is if something about the encryption algorithm.

          3. It broke precisely for the keys.
          4. They damaged the Internet structure and services that are not related to Durov at all.

          Your whole opus sounds like "I hear a ringing ..."
          1. Salomet
            Salomet April 20 2018 17: 22
            +1
            Spin is not a cart, but through it, meaning.

            And about the dangers of services, it's kind of like the police delaying the thief trampled in the entrance.

            My education is not bad, without access to services I can find something to do. Smiling modern youth sitting on a bench and scribbling on the phone. Young boys and girls. what
  16. Lizzzard
    Lizzzard April 19 2018 08: 43
    +1
    And what is there, let's close the entire Internet. And there will be no problems as if from the word “absolutely” ...

    So these were the exercises to block the Internet as such, tested their capabilities. Telegrams are just an excuse.
    The locals wanted Stalinism? Receive, sign. Digital Gulag 2.0. Site left, site right - blocking.
  17. Olgovich
    Olgovich April 19 2018 08: 46
    +2
    the question of "left" SIM cards.
    We have at least a hundred sim cards buy-and absolutely anonymously-in any fake kiosk ...
    The fact that Durov and Russian fans of his brainchild with a bang will win the war for Telegram is a fact. The fact that Russian armless and headless officials once again sit in a puddle is a fact ....
    Fans will simply switch to another resource. Officials yes, frowned ....
    1. Lizzzard
      Lizzzard April 19 2018 09: 03
      +4
      Fans will simply switch to another resource. Officials yes, frowned ....

      Why move on? VPN proxy is installed in just one click, after which all services work as usual. Our state is strong, but stupid. And finally, it was faced with a situation where the club was simply powerless.
      1. konstantin68
        konstantin68 April 19 2018 14: 40
        +1
        Quote: Lizzzard
        Our state is strong, but stupid. And finally, it was faced with a situation where the club was simply powerless.

        I don’t think, I don’t think.
      2. sdc_alex
        sdc_alex April 19 2018 17: 59
        +1
        Quote: Lizzzard
        The club is simply powerless.

        The club is powerless?
        If the club does not help, you need to take either a second club or another, more.
      3. Evgeniy667b
        Evgeniy667b April 19 2018 19: 28
        +2
        At present, the main credo of Russia, except for the global raw materials appendage, is to make money from the air. I well remember the beginning of this process in the early 90s. And Mr. Durov succeeded in this. And what it means to make money from the air is an illusion, self-deception. And the result is a dummy. No one produces a material or intellectual product for the benefit of society. That’s the worst thing. Here is the Russian economy and is rolling downhill to its logical fiasco. Virtual pyramids of the same Telegram will disappear and what will change? Yes, absolutely nothing. Only the air will be cleaner and less stupid. In the right scenario, the creation of material values ​​is inherent in man, and the virtual is the destruction of consciousness, first of all. And this is temporary! Residents of the cities of Pompeii, Sodom and Gomorrah to this!
  18. Alsur
    Alsur April 19 2018 08: 51
    +2
    Here, one thing is not clear to me in such an article - if this is a good advertisement for telegrams, there are so many disturbances. Thank Roskomnadzor, do business and continue to use telegrams, since blocking is not effective.
    1. forty-eighth
      forty-eighth April 19 2018 09: 32
      +5
      Several services died, a little more began to work intermittently, and telegram both worked and works - that’s why there are indignation. Want to block telegrams - block, but why drop Twitter, Viber, etc. while dropping it?
    2. businessv
      businessv April 19 2018 10: 47
      +1
      Quote: ALSur
      Here, one thing is not clear to me in such an article - if this is a good advertisement for telegrams, there are so many disturbances.

      Yeah, but sawn, or brought in who needs 5,5 billion just to forget! Great plan! hi
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  20. sergo1914
    sergo1914 April 19 2018 09: 02
    +4
    I agree with the article in everything. They want control - there are mobile operators. But alas ... mobile operators personally bring Vova. The state, in the person of its own body (Roskomnadzor), once again, showed citizens FULL TECHNICAL AND INFORMATION INCOMPETENCE. Well, "blocking" pirated content. People themselves want a movie for free. But here ... It’s so delicious to sit in a puddle, and even get rid of yourself at the same time ... DB.
  21. hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh April 19 2018 09: 06
    +8
    Everyone so cheerfully condemns a sluggish state for improper blocking. Only one of you wants to be in the same subway car that the terrorists will undermine by agreeing on a telegram or something else.
    Yes, the Russian Federation cannot arrest Durov’s money, and the United States can and therefore he will secretly and obviously help the United States for free, but the Russian Federation will not.
    China is blocking hard and no proxies can help anyone. The Russian Federation will also learn if necessary. As I see it right now. We need any reason for screaming, trash, telegrams, plato. The goal is one. Putin must leave and then happiness will come.
    A separate issue is that having unlimited access to communications, even in the United States, crime has not declined even once.
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat April 19 2018 10: 16
      +7
      Previously, spies sent messages to pigeons and it never occurred to anyone to destroy all pigeons. In addition, the so-called "terrorists" are "talking" either with everyday phrases or with "spoofed messages" over ordinary SMS and no one even mentions the "marker words" closely — even children know about this precaution. The story with the “cipher” “carts” was fanned by the not-so-distant “specialists” (in order to write off the “encryption” that they tritely missed these actions), after the events with the youth’s actions in favor of Navalny, when the youth communicated with the help of the “cart”, the reason for the banal convenience of this program and its wide distribution. And Durov, “handsome”, sent all this fraternity to one place .... to where it should be convenient for them ... wink
      1. hhhhhhh
        hhhhhhh April 19 2018 10: 41
        +4
        He would have been handsome if he had sent the NSA.
        A democratically elected world hegemon decides what the RF can and what cannot.))))
        1. Monster_Fat
          Monster_Fat April 19 2018 10: 48
          +2
          Why should he send the NSA? Who, in their right mind, sends a "roof"? wink
      2. trahterist
        trahterist April 20 2018 10: 02
        +1
        Explain to me what the convenience of the Cart, in contrast to the more advanced and at the same time easy to use the same Wotsapp-Skype-Viber ??
        Purely out of interest I downloaded it, back in the winter, so what?
        The interface is slurred, and at the same time it’s tied to VKontakt, which I don’t need for nothing, because of its, so to say, very modest clientele (extra hemorrhoids with rega) ...
        Removed this garbage after a week.
    2. NordOst16
      NordOst16 April 19 2018 10: 18
      +3
      Oh, how did you combine Putin and the cart lock. I wonder if the fire in the Winter Cherry is also directed against Putin?

      Everyone so cheerfully condemns a sluggish state for improper blocking. Only one of you wants to be in the same subway car that the terrorists will undermine by agreeing on a telegram or something else.

      It’s not uncommon for such acts of terrorism to cost more than a lot of money and a long preparation. And modern technology allows you to create a program for anonymous data transfer “on the knee”. And, most likely, they do so, and do not use ready-made solutions such as carts. And most of the work to prevent such terrorist acts is clearly not going to read correspondence.
      But in the end, the terrorists are neither warm nor cold, and the state structure is a laughing stock.
      Well, if you look further, then obviously the authorities are afraid for their warmed-up place.

      Quote: hhhhhhh
      We need any reason for screaming, trash, telegrams, plato. The goal is one. Putin must leave and then happiness will come.

      In the USA there is no hysteria about any "popular" revolutions, I wonder why? Maybe because there patriotism is supported by money and the development of the country? Because there is a great country, not only on TVs?
      And if everything is not so good in the country, then no patriotism will save, sooner or later it will. And where else should we, the residents of the Russian Federation, not know (this is a hint of the USSR if that).

      Quote: hhhhhhh
      China is blocking hard and no proxies can help anyone. The Russian Federation will also learn if necessary.

      I will not hide the fact that I do not like the governance system in the PRC, but I cannot give credit to the Chinese economy, compare the economies of the Russian Federation and the PRC. Blocks will not help to create a powerful economy, but will only lead to isolation or is your state of affairs sweet in the DPRK? I don’t know about you, but I didn’t want the enemy to live in North Korea.

      I can often hear negative reviews about our constitution (it was allegedly written in the West), we do not have trust in the authorities, there is no respect for the laws. This is the foundation of any state, without it a successful state cannot exist, it is necessary to at least begin to fulfill all the provisions of the constitution and laws of the Russian Federation (this applies to all citizens, including the "servants of the people") and treat each other with respect (I don’t know how to you, but for me the implementation of the law is also respect for the people around me) and then it will be much better to live.
      1. hhhhhhh
        hhhhhhh April 19 2018 10: 51
        +3
        Because there is a great country, not only on TVs

        The number of drug addicts and heroin epidemics? For the description of the heroin epidemic, even the Pulitseruv Prize was given.
        There are more people in the United States than in the Gullag and non-private companies work for a penny.
        The USA is bombing right and left anyone. Nothing of the great Americans is pouring on your head just because of Stalin.

        Locks will not help create a powerful economy
        China is being helped.
        compare the economy of the Russian Federation


        instead of using ready-made solutions such as carts.
        You are too optimistic, techies capable of writing a program less and less. Illiterate barmaley need a direct program such as telegrams, sharpened for the generation of the exam,
        we have no trust in the authorities, no respect for the laws.
        Respect the law. The court ordered that Telegram not be used. Follow the law. Show "respect for the people around me." Begin with yourself. Remove telegrams from the phone
        Dura lex, sed lex - The law is harsh, but it is a law.
        1. reservist
          reservist April 19 2018 14: 35
          +1
          Quote: hhhhhhh
          The court ordered not to use Telegram

          it’s like the court’s decision was about blocking the service, which is not exactly a “ban on use” ...
          1. hhhhhhh
            hhhhhhh April 19 2018 14: 56
            +3
            You can use as the Ukrainians the "spirit" of the law and invent interpretations, dreaming of how good it would be if no one wiped the law with Russia, that would be happiness.
            The court’s decision "to block telegrams in the Russian Federation." A way to prohibit use. Dot.
            1. reservist
              reservist April 19 2018 15: 28
              +1
              for some reason I recalled the joke:
              - Comrade Warrant Officer, stop the train!
              “Train, wait one, two.”
              1. hhhhhhh
                hhhhhhh April 19 2018 16: 15
                +3
                If a court in the United States or Great Britain prohibits the use of telegrams, how many people would you like to use there?
                There, no one goes to the cinema with a boa constrictor, the law prohibits.))))
                Let's start with ourselves. Let's learn to obey the laws. Fasten the children in child seats, fasten ourselves. We will refuse telegrams.)))
                Moreover, lately it is necessary to remind some of the presumption of innocence and so on.
                1. reservist
                  reservist April 19 2018 16: 43
                  +1
                  Quote: hhhhhhh
                  If a court in the United States or Great Britain prohibits the use of telegrams, how many people would you like to use there?

                  I don’t know, but for some reason it seems that there similar issues will be decided out of court

                  There, no one goes to the cinema with a boa constrictor, the law prohibits.))))

                  where do they go with a boa constrictor?

                  Let's start with ourselves. Let's learn to obey the laws. Fasten the children in child seats, fasten ourselves.

                  I fasten myself and make passengers, because I don’t want the body not fastened, flying towards the windshield, to break someone’s neck along the way

                  We will refuse telegrams.)))

                  refuse, and better read the joke about the ensign
                  here it’s not cold or hot for me from this messenger, unlike the “elephant in the china shop” living on our taxes, whose actions evoke a lot of emotions ...

                  Moreover, lately it is necessary to remind some of the presumption of innocence and so on.

                  probably some are users of sites and services blocked for the company with Telegramm?
                  1. hhhhhhh
                    hhhhhhh April 19 2018 16: 50
                    +2
                    re-read the joke about the ensign
                    If no one can stop I will write on all available walls?))))
                    I fasten myself and make passengers
                    from what year? Since when traffic cops began to fine for it. When the real lock started.
                    Innocent blocked forever? Not at all. Telegrams are to blame for blocking, if the laws were respected no one would be hurt.)))
                    1. reservist
                      reservist April 19 2018 19: 06
                      +2
                      Quote: hhhhhhh
                      Since when traffic cops began to fine for it

                      and they began to fine?

                      enough to see the video made by the Germans, filmed clearly and intelligibly


                      Quote: hhhhhhh
                      Telegrams are to blame for blocking, observing laws no one would have suffered

                      In the minds of the majority, the "fascists from the ILV" will be to blame.
                      And Durov made an advertisement for himself due to ILV.
                      1. hhhhhhh
                        hhhhhhh April 20 2018 08: 19
                        +1
                        If there is a video about how terrorists use telegrams to kill people, then only after that you will realize. But not after a court decision.
                        What video clip made you switch to the green light?)))
                        Telegrams will gradually be blocked, people will get tired of changing proxies and programs and will again communicate in VK.
                        If the State Department is worried, it is immediately clear that the Russian Federation is violating the rights of civilized humanity.
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  23. NOTaFED
    NOTaFED April 19 2018 09: 27
    +6
    Some people think that there is a fight against telegram. This is just a cover. In fact, the system, procedures, organizational measures, software, and the power to block a resource in case of need are tested.
    But the howl and noise of the holders of paid channels that brought left money is good. Poop pop up, they become visible. They will understand and stop. They will find another topic for hype.
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  25. sdc_alex
    sdc_alex April 19 2018 10: 32
    +6
    I don’t understand what the essence of this article is. Why and who needs some kind of Telegram ??? These messengers bred to hell ... what's the problem?
    And the order should be !!! And follow this order must-go !! I don’t see anything wrong with the control of the go-va side of correspondence in one of the messengers, especially if the owner of this messenger is in the United States.
    Why do our people have nothing against the fact that their intelligence is being watched by the US intelligence agencies, but they are very indignant when they want to do their own thing the same ... Are you not afraid to trust your NSA correspondence ???


    Kst. I am only 31 year ... i.e. still too young bully
  26. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman April 19 2018 10: 39
    +4
    Well, Novels, you give! So addicted that at the time, whether to raise the banner of the opposition against stupid officials on behalf of Navalny and Co., or do you give total freedom without any restrictions everywhere and in everything? The fact that officials are not original is not news. They are in all parts of the world such-act according to the instructions. Is Durov a great original? Homegrown genius. His brainchild, the so-called, was born not from scratch, and not in his head. And who does he work for? It is a pity that the novels bypass such piquant moments.
    And the Internet, which has been written about more than once, was created not for the pleasure of a simple layman, but for the military needs of the Pentagon, first of all. These crippled mattresses could not miss the obvious benefit due to the idle network, from possible superprofits for commercial advertising, and the possibility of total control! They did not refuse! Accusations against the CIA, the NSA, and other special services to create a network and all sorts of messengers through dummies to establish total control over the entire planet have repeatedly sounded! Which was confirmed by Snowden. And if the special services themselves created the network, then by itself,, they laid all the possibilities for the needs of the workers of the cloak and dagger. That’s why, or in the context of this topic, it would be worth discussing the actions of the ILV of the Russian Federation, it seems to me. But this record, overshadowed by Romanov, obviously does not fit! It's a pity! More important than national security, and the security of ordinary citizens (especially after the series of terrorist attacks that swept across the Russian Federation), what reasons for freedom can be more important? Create your own national Internet is a yes theme! But she is somehow slowly moving forward. Either sorry for the money, or the pendel has not arrived yet, or has the roasted cock not yet pecked anywhere? We’ll wait and see!
  27. businessv
    businessv April 19 2018 10: 40
    +6
    The main thing, in my opinion, in the article is the ignorance and unprofessionalism of officials! How do people get into the cage now? Loyalty to superiors + money (bribes) + connections, it does not matter in what order, but it is. Therefore, officials who work are not those who can, but those who want to do nothing! And so absolutely everywhere! Illiterate doctors, educators, teachers and officials - these are the people destroying our gene pool! Who makes the laws? Lawyers Yeah, schA, dispersed! Again, those who mowed cabbage, brought to whom it was necessary, made a fuss and, in order to feel a little calmer, went to people's deputies for immunity. Now we are waiting for the appointment of the Prime Minister, if there is the same Twitter lover as he was, then drain the oil, extinguish everyone! That is the light! hi
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat April 19 2018 10: 51
      +5
      You are absolutely right — total “unprofessionalism” in management systems, decision-making, in a paid higher than average professional sphere is a global problem, but not only in Russia, such a tendency is observed all over the world, though for various reasons.
      1. hhhhhhh
        hhhhhhh April 19 2018 16: 16
        +1
        There is one reason. The collapse of the USSR.
        1. businessv
          businessv April 20 2018 22: 24
          0
          Quote: hhhhhhh
          There is one reason. The collapse of the USSR.

          I'm afraid you are simplifying, dear! In the USSR there were no less woodpeckers, and maybe even more than now! Take at least functionaries of all stripes, from pioneers to communists! smile
          1. hhhhhhh
            hhhhhhh April 21 2018 10: 09
            +1
            Since the collapse of the USSR, the curve of the number of woodpeckers has rushed up.
  28. SamTarley
    SamTarley April 19 2018 10: 53
    +8
    Beautiful text, everything is written on the case. Roskomnadzor is one of the most odious state institutions, along with the Center E, the State Duma and the Russian Orthodox Church. The incompetence of officials is evident. But I would also add the general trend of the domestic policy of the Russian Federation - simple solutions through prohibitions. This is the trend of idiots who are stuck in the last century. The direct prohibition of anything is an ABSOLUTELY exceptional measure, developed countries have learned to stop undesirable phenomena in completely different ways. But they are constantly updating their power, and our power is stagnant, like water in an aquarium, which has not been changed for several presidential terms. Hence, such a systemic flaw as the idiocy of officials.
    And the second point - all the same, the rights and freedoms of citizens enshrined in the Constitution must be respected at the level of state ideology. That is, before making this or that decision, check our Constitution and act strictly in accordance with it. It is necessary that the "inalienable right of citizens to privacy of correspondence" would become a sacred cow for officials. And this cannot be done without the political will of the first persons of the state. There is currently no such political will.
    1. Mikhail Strigin
      Mikhail Strigin April 19 2018 11: 40
      +3
      They checked and found Article 55 - "3. The rights and freedoms of man and citizen may be limited by federal law only to the extent necessary to protect the foundations of the constitutional order, morality, health, rights and legitimate interests of others, and ensure defense country and state security. " And they act strictly in accordance with it. Or do you have some other constitution?
      1. SamTarley
        SamTarley 29 June 2018 17: 03
        0
        No, they interpret this article extensively, in their own interests. Our special services, especially the FSB and the E center, are engaged in political persecution of the opposition, and not in the fight against real terrorists and enemies of the state. And the main enemies of the state are power swindlers who rob their country. For example, Rottenberg. Or Timchenko. Or Medvedev.
    2. sdc_alex
      sdc_alex April 19 2018 18: 12
      +3
      Quote: SamTarley
      developed countries have learned to stop adverse events in completely different ways

      "developed countries" mired in LGBT people!
      Quote: SamTarley
      But they are constantly updating their power, and our power is stagnant, like water in an aquarium, which has not been changed for several presidential terms. Hence, such a systemic flaw as the idiocy of officials.

      In the US, power "changes" regularly only the idiocy of officials remains, as do the officials themselves. And the general policy also does not change. The same story in other "developed" countries laughing

      Quote: SamTarley
      nevertheless, the rights and freedoms of citizens enshrined in the Constitution must be respected at the level of state ideology.

      Poke your nose - where the constitution says about a Telegram there. “And the second” moment - correspondence, which is carried out through an application created by a foreign company, and which is carried out through servers located outside our country, cannot be confidential.
      Once again I ask the question: "Why do you calmly trust your correspondence with foreign intelligence services, and not yours? Maybe you are still a country mistaken?"
      1. SamTarley
        SamTarley 29 June 2018 16: 59
        0
        I trust my correspondence to the Telegram service, created by the wonderful Russian man Pavel Durov, which really guarantees confidentiality from the dirty nose of our and foreign special services. But I do not trust our special services, they do not work for the country, but for usurpers of power, on whom there is no place to put stigmas. Ate, loyalist?
        1. sdc_alex
          sdc_alex 1 July 2018 20: 12
          0
          Pavel Durov does not guarantee anything to anyone. Look where he lives and in whose interests he works.
          For whom and why do our special services work? Tell the guys who protect your fifth point and other places of you and your family from terrorists and other scum every day, every hour and every second ....
          Or maybe you think that foreign intelligence services wish us well, happiness and democracy ??????
          Ate a liberalist? wink
  29. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV April 19 2018 11: 03
    0
    For now, on this topic we’ll break spears and chat every day, Durov and others like them will be on a horse .. don’t need to exaggerate this topic and there won’t be any horses
  30. jar
    jar April 19 2018 11: 03
    +2
    === These are not political motives, this is what the Internet was generally invented for. This is a free exchange of information between people without restrictions. ===
    actually the Internet was invented (it seems) in MIT at the beginning of the Cold War, so that NATO military bases could communicate with each other no matter how many holes in the network would make EM pulses from Soviet warheads ... technically, this is something like current torrents .
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    2. jar
      jar April 19 2018 11: 30
      0
      clarification --- http://zarabotokwmz.ru/raznoe/istoriya-interneta.
      html
  31. vanavatny
    vanavatny April 19 2018 11: 03
    +4
    we have it in everything: bureaucrats are completely divorced from reality, it is believed that if they scribble a piece of paper, then everything will come together itself, to hell with it with a telegram, our economy works like that, and yes, it’s more than the idiocy of a well-fed herd of officials no one does to increase the protest mood ...
  32. Begemot
    Begemot April 19 2018 11: 16
    +5
    It seems to me that Durov may also be a computer business genius, but he doesn’t cut the clearing around himself, the show-off has stuck his mind. The names of Litvinenko, Skripal, Berezovsky and a couple of dozen more were not known to him. Now, already in MI6 or the CIA, the components of the "Old Man" or "Fisherwoman" are probably mixed for its beautiful and loud death to the whole world at the hands of the "bloody regime". It’s more convenient not to come up with a candidate.
  33. radar1967
    radar1967 April 19 2018 11: 19
    0
    Verbiage is all. I affirm that the youth group AUE, Winter Cherry and the closure of Telegram are NOT RELATED !!!
  34. Mikhail Strigin
    Mikhail Strigin April 19 2018 11: 20
    +4
    The FSB appealed to the court with a request to block. The court decided to block. Roskomnadzor implements the court decision to block. Guilty - ILV. Ingenious. Or the author and the FSB, and the court refers to officials?
    1. reservist
      reservist April 19 2018 14: 48
      0
      Michael, slowly re-read the article once again, or your post, pls
      ILV really is obliged to comply with the court decision to block ... Telegram service
      But what ... while still blocking the car and a small cart of other sites, with a "jurisdictional" service not related to the word "nothing"?
      1. Mikhail Strigin
        Mikhail Strigin April 19 2018 15: 22
        +3
        "No way" sites not related to the service are not blocked. Blocking the IP addresses of Amazon, Google and others is due to the fact that Telegram began to use them to circumvent bans in Russia. That's all.
        "- Yes, already between 14:00 and 15:00 our technical experts recorded the messenger switching to a different set of IP addresses - this was a subnet of the American Amazon campaign, which included more than 600 thousand IP addresses. And then we faced a serious challenge. It was necessary to understand whether there were any respectable resources at these addresses. Therefore, our specialists quickly sorted the subnet, and already around 18:00 we unloaded it to the telecom operators. From 19:00 to 22:00 our experts again recorded degradation of the messenger in Russia. However, he switched to a Google subnet with 540 thousand IP addresses. Of course, such a large number of IPs allows the service to migrate very quickly, such a transition takes two to four minutes, so uploading individual addresses is pointless, only the entire subnet. "
        1. reservist
          reservist April 19 2018 15: 36
          0
          Well, if for you there is no difference between the service and the ip-address (you must admit that we are talking about different levels of the network model), then the article is just about you (at least in that part, which is about competence and professionalism), that’s all.
          1. Mikhail Strigin
            Mikhail Strigin April 19 2018 17: 28
            +4
            The article says:
            "At the moment, about 15 million ip-addresses are blocked. Google, Amazon, Ebay, and the addresses of Internet-game servers fell under the batch."
            You asked: "at the same time, another carriage and a small cart of other sites are blocked, with the" jurisdictional "service not related to the word" nothing "
            I replied to you why they are being blocked.
            Or are you talking about some other article? In this case, I have to upset - I am a lawyer, not a psychic.
            The fact that the authors are not competent in the issue they are writing about is understandable.
            Why do you write nonsense - that is the question. That's all.
            1. reservist
              reservist April 19 2018 19: 48
              +3
              strange to hear nonsense from a lawyer
              according to your logic, in the presence of debts for heating only one tenant can turn off the heating of the whole house?
              1. Mikhail Strigin
                Mikhail Strigin April 20 2018 05: 43
                +3
                By my logic, the implementation of the laws of the Russian Federation is above all. You know such a Latin proverb - pereat mundus et fiat justitia (justice must be done, even if the world perished).
                In addition, in addition to the locks, according to Zhdanov, negotiations were underway with Google, Amazon and others. Google has already banned the use of its network to bypass any locks (although they claim that this is just a coincidence).
                No, you can certainly do what they do in the West - to crack these applications through user devices using special programs. And even on the basis of the law - as in Germany. Just block Telegram without using client devices - it’s still more “humane”. In my purely subjective view.
                1. reservist
                  reservist April 20 2018 11: 58
                  +3
                  those. to find out the lawyer's answer to a simple question about the "communal case" is not fate ...

                  but about the enforcement of the laws of the Russian Federation, unfortunately, in the century before last, it was written that "the rigor of Russian laws is mitigated by the non-bindingness of their implementation"
                  and do not comply with laws, first of all, state institutions themselves

                  ILV, receiving an order to block one service, blocks everything that comes to hand ...
                  The bailiff service, having received a court decision to cancel the court order, does not return 7% of the “commission” received in violation of the law and its own official instructions (this is a recent case from my life)
                  etc. ... examples you can recall a lot ...
  35. Luber
    Luber April 19 2018 11: 30
    +4
    "The road will be overpowered by the walking one" (c). In order for the state to learn how to regulate the information sphere, and this is vital (I hope everyone agrees with this?), It’s necessary to act in any way. And a negative result should not be discouraging. This is an incentive for continuous improvement of the state control system. Roughly speaking, through the scandal, the regulator is more likely to increase the degree of competence of its specialists. And it’s very good if the regulator is caught in any garbage like a Telegram crib, which is ideal as a sparring partner, since it is equipped with a set of means to bypass locks. Naturally, all of them can also be blocked. Just the arsenal of funds required for this, used by the regulator, will need to be expanded. The current "failure" is a great reason to roll up your sleeves and get to work.
  36. NordOst16
    NordOst16 April 19 2018 11: 43
    +4
    The number of drug addicts and heroin epidemics?

    No, statistics on the spread of HIV-infected and tuberculosis diseases, as well as the ability to get drugs "free and on time in the right amount."

    not private companies work for a penny.

    Well, we have the state. At the same time, there are almost a dozen acquaintances who have left, mainly to the United States and the United Kingdom (which are not rich people), and are not in a hurry to return back, despite the “horrors” of life beyond the hill.

    The USA is bombing right and left anyone. Nothing of the great Americans is pouring on your head just because of Stalin.

    The prerogative of large states, we also frolic in Syria and Ukraine, so what? Or can it recall the attack on Finland and the partition of Poland?

    You are too optimistic, techies capable of writing a program less and less. Illiterate barmaley need a direct program such as telegrams, sharpened for the generation of the exam,

    Tell this to the craftsmen who made the most, most air defense system with improvised drones and damaged planes.
    And yes, believe me, the USE is not a sentence if a person wants to develop. This is just a formality that must be successfully overcome for the sake of the future, no more. Qui quaerit, reperit.


    Respect the law. The court ordered that Telegram not be used. Follow the law. Show "respect for the people around me." Begin with yourself. Remove telegrams from the phone

    And there is also article 23 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation and, as I wrote above, distrust of the authorities. And I do not believe that my correspondence will not be used for personal gain.
  37. Pushkar
    Pushkar April 19 2018 11: 59
    0
    Remember the movie "Let's Live Until Monday"? "... And the fools remained fools." I completely agree with the authors of the article; I have already set the proxy myself.
  38. Uralean
    Uralean April 19 2018 12: 03
    +3
    Article fucking .. Swollen by specialist. on all channels for two weeks now. They created a universal problem on the air, without which Russia will not survive ... Who is watching this telegram? Regarding users of Tyrnet in Russia, there is a telegram of miserable content .. And the noise is being inflated to the skies .. For what? Yes . ordinary advertising, and recruiting more users to this telegram ... That's all the fuss around him in the media, and the Internet .. There’s nothing more to do than to get billions of dollars. for the owner of the Telegram noise in the media., and here too in the VO. The more scandal, noise, fuss, the more subscribers, and money for content.
  39. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 April 19 2018 12: 25
    +6
    Clowns, no more! It is also necessary to ban Watsap, Instagram, contact classmates, Skype !!!! And all terrorism is finished once and for all laughing
  40. g1v2
    g1v2 April 19 2018 12: 51
    +3
    Nothing. Roskomnadzor will be embarrassed for a while, but in the process it will fill up cones and learn how to work. Let them practice. Looking for specialists and so on. In an extreme case, they will turn to special services to conduct several serious cyber attacks. No matter how well-groomed guys Durov is, he still does not have enough resources against the state. They’ll bring him down a couple of times, create an anti-reputation, and popularity will plummet. Well, and there bankruptcy is not far.
    Or wiser and decides to negotiate. State-wu has something to offer him. For example, lobbying for his projects and promoting them in the same China. Western resources there are seriously crushing, but now they treat us normally, because there is less competition. Hundreds of millions of users are a gigantic market. And what can the west offer him, where everything is already divided? Six or become another sacred sacrifice? request
    1. Klaus
      Klaus April 19 2018 13: 53
      +5
      The turn of speech is very indicative, and reflects the worldview of an ordinary Russian inhabitant: ... what the West can offer, what the state can offer ... But no! Not West to Durov, but Durov to the West proposed his idea and project. As a result, the telegram became in the shortest possible time, from scratch, mind you, one of the most popular platforms! But when the state offers something for people, it turns out a little wrong. For comparison: the search engine Sputnik sawed off a whole Rostelecom, a whole bunch of time, and cost a whole bunch of money. The result is known - the satellite is not known to anyone laughing
      Well, as for bankruptcy: the share of the Russian telegram is very small, compared with the global scale. In general, the network scale of a state is determined not by its territory, but by its users. And here we are smaller than Japan laughing And now, in fact, when it reaches the brain of officials that the Runet is a tiny piece of the world Internet, then an understanding of things will come. But apparently, while with this they have a tight.
      1. g1v2
        g1v2 April 20 2018 12: 28
        +3
        In the near future, and serious people are already talking about this a lot, national borders will appear on the Internet. The era of freedom and at the same time permissiveness is a thing of the past. Regulation of commercial and other activities on the network will be strengthened, identification of the person and linking of accounts to a specific person will become mandatory. The era of the emergence of the Internet is gradually coming to an end. The point is that now the average man is so indignant - in 10-15 years it will become the norm. request
        Control over the national segment of the Internet will become the same everyday thing. Someone wants it or not, but it will be so. Whether the segment of the global network is small or not, the Runet will receive its borders, which will be regulated by state laws of the Russian Federation. It will be the same in all other large countries. All transnational network corporations, too, will have to act in the same way as ordinary transnational corporations - that is, respect local laws. Whoever does this will not be able to work there. request
        Supervisors will fill up cones, study, build muscle, but sooner or later they will grow to a level where it will be impossible for a private trader to compete with them. Trite different resources. Vaughn Zuckerberg sweating recently then recently testified before the Senate Commission and did not show off. Because he perfectly understands that no matter how cool he is, but the state can pull him and he can not do anything. am
        The fact that Durov is an extremely smart guy who knows the market. what the audience can visit and how he can achieve this, I have no doubt. But in this life, nothing happens without politics. And the field of online business is no exception. They will try to use it against us, ours will try to prevent it from being done. In this case, Paul himself will be between the millstones. He cannot remain neutral. This is utopia. request
        More we Japan or less does not matter. The main quality of any Internet product is reliability. If the product is subjected to constant cyber attacks, crashes and gushes with viruses and trojans, then its popularity will drop sharply. And our special services may well arrange a fun life Telegram if necessary. Not to mention the fact that the servers and telegram employees are quite real and present in the real world. So there are hundreds of opportunities to influence them. Is it worth Durov to get into a bottle and develop a conflict with his native country? I doubt it. In any case, do not feed the wolf, but the elephant is still thicker. And he has exactly two ways out - to negotiate with the Russian authorities and special services or to go under the western ones. There is only one difference. For ours, he is a valuable shot that can be used for the benefit of his native country, and for the west, an intelligent native who must be used against his native country, and then thrown out as unnecessary. In general, it is up to Paul himself to decide - his life. hi
        1. Klaus
          Klaus April 20 2018 18: 05
          +1
          You are considering a momentary political situation, and I see trends and signs, and they are as follows:
          1. The process of globalization continues, (which I honestly don’t really like) and national borders will be of less and less importance. Signs are obvious:
          - The Russian Federation is a member of the WTO, and is not going to leave it
          - Import substitution rested in the Bose, so in fact it didn’t start
          - The number of TOPs is growing
          - Our “elite” (however, like all other world elites) is transnational, extraterritorial and globalized to the core. And this is the most important sign. The same Usmanov - actively supported Durov ... All other slogans about national borders and sovereignty - this is talk in favor of the poor.
          2. "Regulation" of the Internet by any state bodies is not a trivial task.
          - What does it mean to set national boundaries in the network? Is it necessary to mark each unit and zero traffic in Runet with a special marker? Or install the "Great Firewall" following the example of China? - so this must be understood by the Chinese mentality: the party and the government set up a firewall, the Chinese unanimously agreed and set up VPN and anonymizers. Everyone knows that everyone knows, and everyone is happy with themselves.
          - even assuming that this is feasible, the processes of globalization will nullify all efforts.
          The danger here I see in another: in the so-called. “Digital slavery”, when all spheres of life will be brought under the control of network technologies ... This is really scary.
          1. g1v2
            g1v2 April 20 2018 22: 14
            +2
            The process of globalization is simultaneously inevitable, but it will be different from what was originally planned. In principle, our hand is not trying to stop it. The difference is different. The West understands globalization as a great America with a single decision center. As in the advertisement - "everything will be Coca-Cola." We are for a multipolar world and decentralized globalization. We have enough supporters, as the very China with an almost one and a half million population does not want to reformat itself to the west. The large firewall is a consequence of this.
            We entered the WTO to avoid restrictions on the export of metallurgical products. This is our second largest export indicator. But as it turned out, the states easily scored on the WTO rule, whether we stay there or not - xs. request
            Import substitution is a process for decades. And it works great. The export and import figures show this clearly. In the first year of the program alone, imports of machinery and equipment fell by more than $ 70 billion. It is clear that at first they replaced what was simpler and then everything will be much slower. But the process is inevitable, as Western suppliers are no longer a reliable partner. Pharmacology, food industry, VPK, cx-engineering - there are enough indicators of successful import substitution. request
            The number of tori does not mean anything. There is no reason to refuse to attract foreign investment.
            OUR ELITE HAS ALREADY CHANGED COMPARED TO THE 90S AND CONTINUES TO CHANGE. This is an inevitable reaction to a change in world and domestic conditions. The new elite is growing in the cadet corps and getting the right settings. People from the 80s and 90s will sooner or later leave their power and big business, which will obviously be for the better.
            National boundaries are likely to coincide with domain boundaries. At least Klimenko talked about this. I don’t see the point of not trusting him, as he is an adviser to the president and is seriously working with deputies on laws on regulating the Internet. Tch he at least in the know. request
            The spheres of life are already beginning to become attached to a number. There is a lot of serious information about promoting Internet technologies in our country. This is generally referred to as the "digital economy." But it is about much more. Digital money with reduced cash, digital documents and workflow, digital identification and much more. For example, the introduction of a "digital signature" and so on. Just look at the patents related to inventions in the field of this year to understand where we are going. hi
            1. Klaus
              Klaus April 21 2018 00: 21
              0
              I agree that the initial pan-American globalism failed. We have entered a multipolar world. That's just the pole in it, we are not supposed to be. I presume that the share of world GDP in China is ~ 20%, in Europe 22%, in the USA ~ 24%. In the second tier are Brazil, India and Japan with a share of GDP of ~ 3-5%. The Russian Federation has 1,7% of world GDP. For whom do we “reformat” in this world - the choice is small: we don’t want to go to the West, we will have to go to China.
              Let's tell the bitter truth: we entered the WTO for the sake of the preferences of raw materials. At the same time putting an end to his agricultural and production.
              Import substitution lasting for decades is, unfortunately, the death sentence of the country. For example, the average service life of units and assemblies on machinery or complex production is 5-7 years. The terms of obsolescence are even less. The term of training and internship of 1 profile high-class specialist is about 10 years. So we do not have decades. I think that even 1 decade is not. As for famacology: I'm sick now. I recently used amoxicillin from OJSC "Biochemist" - to no avail ... I bought the same drug from Sofarma from the European Union the day before yesterday - the effect is instant. As for the "food" - you are right: what replaced the normal food - the tongue does not turn to call food, only "food".
              It’s better not to talk about TORs, but to see visually: visit the Google map or Yandex maps. We look: Irkutsk region, Transbaikalia, Khabarovsk Territory. We look carefully, gradually changing the magnification. I give a hint - we pay attention to the little white squares. ... This is your Chinese investment.
              I don’t believe German Klimenko because he did nothing for me. Klimenko is a careerist with an economic education who remembers something from the database programming course from his youth. While I, and millions of people, have been using Durovsky VK for a long time to this day.
              Finally, I am sure that parliamentary laws on regulating the Internet will suffer the same fate as their similar laws on regulating the hands of the clock in the Russian Federation.
              1. g1v2
                g1v2 April 21 2018 13: 31
                +2
                The share of the global economy does not negate everything else - politics, influence, military power, language distribution. Russian is one of the languages ​​of the UN. NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT THE SHARE OF WORLD GDP IS IT IS SHORT-TERM, it’s enough to see how this share has changed in the largest countries of the world, AT LEAST FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS. 40-50 years ago, the PRC was not in the top five. The current state of economic potentials is not something unshakable and eternal. request
                The export of metallurgical products in 2015 amounted to $ 33 billion. This is the second article of our export after mineral products. Mechanical engineering - 25 billion. Moreover, if we export metals to Western countries, where theoretically the WTO norms should have been applied, then mechanical engineering products - to the CIS countries and the Third World, where this is not so important. Personally, I was against joining the WTO, because I believe that protectionism is more profitable for our economy.
                Import substitution is a lengthy process that can be accelerated if there is a need, but it will require serious resources. In the military-industrial complex, it is accelerated, which shows the rate of substitution of products of the Ukrainian VPK. Especially for rockets and gas turbine engines. This does not mean that everything will be replaced in a row. There are priorities where import substitution will go first of all due to importance. Everything else - later or whenever possible. In any case, there is already a psychological attitude that everything Western can be cut off at any time and conclude long-term contracts for the import of Western products is extremely dangerous. Plus, the state share in our economy is 70 percent. Including the latest restrictions on public procurement of imports will already have a serious effect. The road will be overcome by a walker
                First of all, medicines are replaced from the list of vital medicines. And quite successfully. To make it clear, most drugs in pharmacies are variations of the same. For example, a bunch of advertised expensive drugs include penny paracetamol with sweeteners and small additives. Nobody will substitute everything. It will replace what is important.
                About the gullet. I myself work in the food industry and have been quietly eating Russian products all my life. LIKE LIVING, PLACES EVEN HEALTHY. I didn’t feel the ban of sanctions products. Well, of course, I sympathize with gourmets. Personally, I did not feel any discomfort. I think that the vast majority of ordinary people - too. I will reveal the secret. Skillful brother in Moscow works in an expensive culinary institution. If before the age of 14 all their meat was South American, now it is almost exclusively Russian. And somehow the foodies are fine. And foreign chefs from the best restaurants who give master classes there, too, do not complain about quality. belay
                Again about tori, I know. I see no reason to ban Chinese investment. For the population to go to the Far East, there must be work and infrastructure. If Chinese and Korean investments help create jobs and infrastructures there, and even replenish local budgets - why not?
                Good or bad Klimenko - I do not care. I talked about something else. The fact that he is actively working on laws together with deputies. That is, he is at least aware of that. what is being developed and where everything will move, maybe, mk takes part in it.
                And finally, you confuse the warm with the soft. The Internet is increasingly becoming part of our lives. Its role and weight in the economy and life are growing.
                Here are the latest numbers. https://business.tsargrad.tv/articles/cifry-runet
                a-internet-jekonomika-dostigla-2-trln-rublej_1267
                21
                Such a sphere of life and activity cannot but have regulation. Of course there will definitely be laws and regulation and supervision and criminal liability, and possibly even its own police. request Th, maybe it will come not only to the laws, but to the whole code. Not today, maybe not tomorrow, but after a couple of years - it is necessary. hi
                1. Klaus
                  Klaus April 21 2018 14: 54
                  0
                  Yes. Does not cancel. But again, I look at trends, be they wrong ... Here is the most striking and last: language reform in Kazakhstan, have you heard? Our partner and closest ally of Kililitsa refused ...
                  Here's another trend: indeed, in 2001, the share of GDP of China and the Russian Federation were the same. If we have been “getting off our knees” for these 16 years, then apparently the Chinese immediately pushed off and flew ... well, this is the Chinese liquid, they also have Hong Gil Dong flying laughing In order for us to take off like this, we must either eat more airy Chinese rice, or change something at the conservatory. I do not see other ways. ... However, when I watch Dmitry Anatolyevich’s bravura reports on television, and instead of initiatives to regulate the salaries of officials, an initiative to regulate the Internet, I understand that even airy Chinese rice will not help us ...
                  By the way, it’s also known from the course of history that the export of raw materials and the import of foreign capital, as well as the gigantic property stratification, together with the comprador elite, characterize the countries of the 3rd world ...
                  If you pay attention to the cards, then the observed clear cutting and standing logs are not an investment. This is a looting.
                  As for food and medicine - I agree with you. In fact, everyone decides for himself. For example, a respected man and patriot Aman Tuleyev also decided this question for himself, and went to be treated abroad.
                  However, all this is lyrics ... Summing up our conversation, I will say one thing: rampant initiatives to “regulate” the Internet do not seem to me right at the moment, because now it’s not Internet that needs to be dealt with, but the raising, large-scale raising of production and infrastructure. That is, exactly what the president says each time in his messages. Who is an optimist - hope for the best. I, as you already understood, am a pessimist, so I am not expecting anything.
                  PS I agree that the Internet needs to be regulated and coordinated with the legal field. I disagree only with the regulatory instrument: it is the only one, and this is an ax laughing It is known that with a headache you should not immediately take up the ax, and with diarrhea, plug the butt with a finger. It is necessary to act finer laughing God grant that this finally begins to work out.
                  1. g1v2
                    g1v2 April 21 2018 18: 14
                    +1
                    Of course, there is still something to say, but something is too caught in tongues. Let's see in a couple of years. It seems to me that the dynamics seem encouraging. hi
                  2. g1v2
                    g1v2 April 21 2018 18: 15
                    0
                    Yes and more. Hong Gil Dong is Korean. wink
                    1. Klaus
                      Klaus April 21 2018 20: 01
                      0
                      Yes, really, Korean laughing Well, in fact, we will look: life is much more inventive than our reasoning about it.
  41. rlanry
    rlanry April 19 2018 14: 40
    +3
    Not only does the Cart still work without any proxies, despite the increasing number of blocked IPs, so did the blocking of ALL previously banned sites. How could SO shamefully be guessed?
  42. tracer
    tracer April 19 2018 14: 40
    +2
    How to live without a telegram now?
    Yes FSUs .... here you will not believe ... Absolutely FSUs ....
    1. rlanry
      rlanry April 19 2018 14: 49
      +2
      And it would be nice for everyone, but only our RKNovye Krivoruchki instead of a telegram blocked the whole subnet of Google and Amazon, and yet their data centers and services are the backbone of the entire Internet. And Zharov still has the audacity to say that ILV is by no means to blame for the fact that a bunch of sites and services have broken down.
    2. forty-eighth
      forty-eighth April 19 2018 15: 37
      0
      Telegram works.
  43. klm-57
    klm-57 April 19 2018 15: 18
    0
    To substantiate his position, the author resorted to a metaphor (figurative comparison), a sure sign that he is trying to "drive by the nose" (deceiving). Stop, you can’t read the article further.
    1. NordOst16
      NordOst16 April 19 2018 15: 49
      +2
      This is not always the case; I resort to this method in order not to deepen the listener into boring details, for if the listener is bored, then it is more likely that he will not accept my arguments.
      1. reservist
        reservist April 20 2018 12: 10
        0
        +1
        it is unlikely that at least one of the readers of the article would have mastered the boring technical details of the selected ILV lock method, due to which such a result was obtained ...
  44. Vittt
    Vittt April 19 2018 15: 53
    0
    This time I completely agree with the authors. When will the “digital idiocy” stop in Russia?
    I propose to impose sanctions on the "main-robot" Zuckerberg and others like them.
  45. Gennadich
    Gennadich April 19 2018 17: 27
    +3
    Yes, our authorities are liquidated a bit, like everywhere .. but nothing new
  46. trahterist
    trahterist April 19 2018 17: 30
    0
    It seems to me that everything is much more prosaic, and with this hype, Durik so weakly promoted his “revolutionary” messenger (but in fact another clone in a large family of Whatsapp, Line, Viber, Skype and a bunch of others).
    But what a passion!
    Then on one very well-known infotainment site I already saw comrades who, in all seriousness, were declaring that I was talking about this telegram neither with my ear nor my spirit, but since such a thing, I downloaded (downloaded my mom’s ears spite, yeah), registered and interrupted friends of acquaintances to communicate through the Cart ... fool
    Where the world is heading ...
  47. Leonid Zakharov
    Leonid Zakharov April 19 2018 17: 33
    +2
    And this nonsense was written by as many as two dudes. Get fucked up.))
  48. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA April 19 2018 17: 51
    +5
    And we see Rutreker’s “total blockage” in Russia today.

    How joked in due time after blocking the rutracker completely in the Russian Federation, the most lively discussion of Russian users on this subject unfolded on the rutracker forum.
  49. turbris
    turbris April 19 2018 19: 44
    +5
    Well, firstly - you do not need to compose stories about a new protest movement led by Durov, it is not in the masses, because messengers without Telegrams are quite enough, as they say, the detachment did not notice the loss of a fighter. Secondly - "And all because in this country there is no place for professionals." - Are you talking about which country is expressed that this country is far from yours? Then there is nothing to get out with articles on the VO website if you distance yourself from the country in which you live. Thirdly, there is reliable information that terrorists successfully use the messenger to organize terrorist attacks (an explosion in the metro in St. Petersburg), and Durov does not care for that, the main thing for him is to make an advertisement and scream about freedom of information, of course, his relatives the subway did not die, there is nothing to worry about. And it will turn out at Roskomnadzor to completely block the Telegram or not, but its use in Russia will be an illegal act, therefore, lovers of workarounds may suffer personally. Everyone must personally comply with the decree and stop using Telegrams, for the sake of our safety, about which the authors of the article somehow forgot, jokes in the direction of gentlemen !.
  50. Dormidont
    Dormidont April 19 2018 19: 55
    +1
    Liberal whining