Military Review

"Armor". Details about the new rocket

33
new aviation the “Armor-piercer” missile is capable of breaking through barriers facing targets without collapsing, reports RIA News a message from Vladimir Lepin, general director of the Tekhmash concern.


"Armor". Details about the new rocket


The peculiarity of the C-8 OFP is that the rocket, depending on the settings of the fuse, can explode in front of the barrier, when it hits the barrier and beyond the barrier, piercing it and not collapsing. We had no such missiles yet,
told the CEO in an interview with Rossiyskaya Gazeta.

According to him, the “Armored washer” missile is intended for installation on Su-25 attack aircraft and Mi-8 helicopters.

It is assumed that it will replace the unguided rocket C-8 caliber 80 millimeters.

Earlier it was reported that the Ministry of Defense of India was interested in the OFP rocket C-8. For the first time, “Broneboyschik” was presented at the military exhibition “Defexpo-2014” in the Indian capital.
Photos used:
Evgeny Erokhin / www.missiles.ru
33 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith April 18 2018 12: 04
    +12
    S-8 RPP (Shrapnel High-explosive Penetrating).
    1. RASKAT
      RASKAT April 18 2018 12: 51
      +4
      And whether it was worth building an expensive fuse with the possibility of remote detonation on such cheap ammunition, you can get by with the usual mechanical one with the ability to set the deceleration. Like artillery fuses, for example.
      Although if the new fuse turned out to be cheap then it is undoubtedly a step forward! Designers honor and respect. good
      1. NIKNN
        NIKNN April 18 2018 13: 03
        +8
        Quote: RASKAT
        And whether it was worth building an expensive fuse with the possibility of remote detonation on such cheap ammunition, you can get by with the usual mechanical one with the ability to set the deceleration. Like artillery fuses, for example.
        Although if the new fuse turned out to be cheap then it is undoubtedly a step forward! Designers honor and respect. good

        Here it’s more important for the S-8 to increase the launch range, because the existing range with today's means of military air defense reduces too much the probability of not only hitting the target, but also returning from the base. A couple of S-8 blocks released from a helicopter or Su-25 are not worth the loss of the carrier itself. In general, today the S-8 anachronism and this modernization are nothing more than PR products ...
        The scattering of C-8 in flight and the circular probable deviation was 0,3% of the range, and the effective launch distance was 2000 m.
        So when do you tell me to determine how and when to set the fuse parameters? With a likely deviation of 0,3% from the range, there is definitely no sense in such a fuse, such a fuse is appropriate for high-precision weapons ...
        1. RASKAT
          RASKAT April 18 2018 13: 26
          +2
          They will increase range and speed, and missile expansion will inevitably increase. You will also have to change all sights on all equipment or set up old ones for new ammunition because the ballistics of shells will also inevitably change. And does it make sense to increase the range, since in the majority of cases these shells use helicopters, snuggling as low as possible in order to create difficulties for the enemy’s air defense systems and MANPADS, and at low altitudes there are small 500-1000 meters on average .
          It seems to me that if it is time to modernize the C-8, it would be worthwhile to increase the warhead of the missile, and leave the range the same. If there is such an opportunity of course.
          1. NIKNN
            NIKNN April 18 2018 13: 39
            +3
            Quote: RASKAT
            It seems to me that if it’s time to modernize the S-8

            Well, it’s more visible, but you need not to upgrade, but something new to replace. Tell me, then what to do with the existing ones? Well, here, modernization is more expensive than the rocket itself without increasing (even not particularly significant) the effectiveness of this device, especially. that in the nomenclature of S-8 there are almost any warhead and concrete slaughtering including. A missile operating essentially on areal targets does not need such a fuse ... Well, where does it penetrate (penetrating warheads and how many explosives are there in it to inflict any serious damage behind an obstacle with such accuracy?
            Well, I don’t know ... this is just my personal opinion and does not claim to be true ... hi
            1. RASKAT
              RASKAT April 18 2018 13: 57
              +1
              Well, where should she penetrate (penetrating warhead and how many explosives are there in it to inflict any serious damage behind the obstacle with such accuracy?

              I agree, with its speed and mass, you don’t even break a meter of the same concrete on it. You can’t argue with physics. hi
            2. san4es
              san4es April 18 2018 13: 57
              +3
              Quote: NIKNN
              ... penetrating warhead and how many explosives are there in it ...

              1. NIKNN
                NIKNN April 18 2018 14: 00
                +5
                Yes, I shot this device. That's why I am actively discussing ... wink
          2. Topotun
            Topotun April 18 2018 14: 12
            +1
            Well, as far as they wrote, there are adjustable S-8s.
            http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/ugroza/
            ugroza.shtml
            True, they have not yet been accepted into service. And the plant (as in the good old days of the USSR just does not want to produce). But the military has not yet decided - and they need it?
            1. NIKNN
              NIKNN April 18 2018 14: 27
              +3
              Quote: Topotun
              http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/ugroza/
              ugroza.shtml

              Page not found...
              Well, as far as they wrote, there are adjustable S-8s.
              And why is there something to correct? Is it also necessary to put a homing head? Interestingly active or backlit with a laser? There, one homing head will cost like a block of missiles ... request NARSA NARA has always been valued only because of the cheapness of their application ... request
              1. Topotun
                Topotun April 18 2018 14: 32
                +2
                Strange I get on this link.
                Page excerpt:
                The “Threat” aviation guided weapon system includes S-5Kor (caliber 57 mm), S-8Kor (80 mm) and S-13Kor (120 mm) adjustable missiles. They were created on the basis of uncontrolled aircraft missiles (NAR) of the S-5, S-8 and S-13 types by equipping them with semi-active laser homing systems. NAR of these types are the standard armament of almost all combat aircraft and helicopters of the front, army and naval aviation of Russia, as well as the air forces of many foreign countries.
              2. Topotun
                Topotun April 18 2018 14: 33
                +2
                http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/ugroza/
                ugroza.shtml
                1. NIKNN
                  NIKNN April 18 2018 14: 46
                  +5
                  The site is working, specifically this link does not go. Yes, it doesn’t matter. Everything can be written on the site, it’s about expediency ... The S-13 is still equipped with a correction, but the S-8, and even more so the S-57 (especially the S-57), well, just to any gate, I I wrote above ... One can fantasize ad infinitum, the expediency of the senseless costs (which are not paid off in any way by the effectiveness of the application) are sky-high ... Some kind of crazy fiction on the verge of insanity ... NAR, NURS are appreciated because they have a very low cost, for other purposes there is a controlled (specially designed for this) weapon. Well, why in one volley of 64-adjustable S-57s kill 64 laser homing heads? From a range of 1500-2000m And where will they all 64 go to one highlighted target? Well, think what you like, My opinion, this is my personal opinion and is not an immutable truth ... hi
                  1. Topotun
                    Topotun April 18 2018 14: 55
                    +2
                    So no one argues. Moreover, due to the installation of GOS, the power of warhead missiles is slightly reduced. And again, all the more so since ATGMs operate at these ranges in principle (though their cost is higher). Because apparently armed and not accepted. I have led the link to the fact that work on ammunition is underway - as opposed to the notion that nothing new has been developed. As far as appropriate - this is to the military. They must determine whether it is worth the money or in the basket.
                    1. NIKNN
                      NIKNN April 18 2018 15: 05
                      +3
                      Quote: Topotun
                      And again, all the more so since ATGMs operate at these ranges in principle (though their cost is higher) .....
                      I mean the same. The cost of such missiles, for example, is 100 rubles (I’m figurative, but they are cheaper than an artillery shell of the same caliber because there are no super-expensive metals and do not require complex machining) Now add here GOS costing more than the Nurs itself, steering system, electronic control unit, generator pressure for the operation of cars, rudders ..., and in addition, hang over the battlefield and highlight their target ...
                      They must determine whether it is worth the money or in the basket.
                      Definitely in the basket!
                      smile
                      1. Topotun
                        Topotun April 18 2018 15: 09
                        +2
                        Well, not everything is so unambiguous, highlighting can be done by an advanced aircraft pilot. In this sense, the pilot launched from afar and dumped ..... But apparently the military did not accept such systems, that the niche of these ammunition is not empty. At short distances (600-700m) RPGs, further ATGMs, farther away missiles with GOS and adjustable bombs ... But people are working, God forbid, to continue to work.
              3. ICT
                ICT April 18 2018 20: 16
                +1
                Quote: NIKNN
                page not found ..

                the space must be manually removed
                1. NIKNN
                  NIKNN April 18 2018 20: 35
                  0
                  Quote: TIT
                  space must be deleted manually

                  got it hi
      2. Simargl
        Simargl April 18 2018 14: 30
        0
        Quote: RASKAT
        can do without the usual mechanical with the ability to set the deceleration.
        Now it’s cheaper to shove the electronic module. Remember the time when mobile phone chargers were heavy? Now they are all light.
        A conventional transformer costs 2 times more than a switching power supply of the same power ...
    2. san4es
      san4es April 18 2018 13: 32
      +2
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      S-8 RPP (Shrapnel High-explosive Penetrating).

      hi .The S-8OFP unguided missile is designed to destroy single and areal (group) targets: manpower, unarmored and lightly armored vehicles, both openly located and in open and closed fortifications, and surface ships in any weather conditions and at any time allowing to carry out combat operations by airplanes and helicopters of front-line and army aviation ...
      1. NIKNN
        NIKNN April 18 2018 14: 24
        +3
        Quote: san4es
        .The S-8OFP unguided missile is designed to destroy single and areal (group) targets: manpower, unarmored and lightly armored vehicles, both openly located and in open and closed fortifications, and surface ships in any weather conditions and at any time allowing to carry out combat operations by airplanes and helicopters of front-line and army aviation ...

        Handsomely !!! Well, add that the launch range of 2000m (on the verge of defeating the DShK) and the scatter of 0.3 from the range, immediately such a joyful paint will fade ...
  2. blackangel147
    blackangel147 April 18 2018 12: 16
    +1
    Quote: Lord of the Sith
    S-8 RPP (Shrapnel High-explosive Penetrating).

    General Physically Prepared))))
  3. Heterocapsa
    Heterocapsa April 18 2018 12: 20
    0
    and when they will create a new type of "concern".
  4. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I April 18 2018 12: 26
    +4
    I “heard” about the “Armor Striker” several years ago, with a “promise”: it will start to be produced soon ... How am I supposed to get used to Russian reality? what ..If it is said. What is being adopted and production will start soon ... then 3-6 years must be added to this and then ... maybe! request yes
    1. credo
      credo April 18 2018 12: 45
      +1
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      I “heard” about the “Armor Striker” several years ago, with a “promise”: it will start to be produced soon ... How am I supposed to get used to Russian reality? what ..If it is said. What is being adopted and production will start soon ... then 3-6 years must be added to this and then ... maybe! request yes

      Do not worry too much, that information was not for you or the average layman, but perhaps for our "partners", of whom there are still not a few on planet Earth.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I April 18 2018 13: 51
        +2
        Quote: credo
        Do not worry too much, that information was not for you ...

        Tady, oh ....! Almost "crippled"!
    2. Cxnumx
      Cxnumx April 18 2018 12: 45
      0
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      .If it is said. What is being adopted and production will start soon ... then 3-6 years should be added to this and then ... maybe!

      for the sake of truth, but where else?)
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I April 18 2018 13: 54
        +2
        Quote: K0
        for the sake of truth, but where else?)

        Alas, the topic: And where is it different? I have not yet studied ... recourse
    3. tchoni
      tchoni April 18 2018 12: 48
      0
      Those. adoption of a new type of NUR - 3-6 years !? Damn, change takes fear: will the Sarmat fly !?
  5. andrey-ivanov
    andrey-ivanov April 18 2018 12: 28
    +1
    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    I “heard” about the “Armor Striker” several years ago, with a “promise”: it will start to be produced soon ... How am I supposed to get used to Russian reality? what ..If it is said. What is being adopted and production will start soon ... then 3-6 years must be added to this and then ... maybe! request yes

    They have been waiting for the promised three years. Or didn’t you know?
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I April 18 2018 14: 00
      +2
      Quote: andrey-ivanov
      They have been waiting for the promised three years. Or didn’t you know?

      Now I know ! bully
  6. Sirocco
    Sirocco April 18 2018 12: 37
    +2
    The peculiarity of the C-8 OFP is that the rocket, depending on the settings of the fuse, can explode in front of the barrier, when it hits the barrier and beyond the barrier, piercing it and not collapsing. We had no such missiles yet,

    I don’t understand what the know-how is, if memory serves me, then similar fuses were put on a 120 mm mortar.
  7. Topotun
    Topotun April 18 2018 14: 36
    +2
    1999, Aircraft Guided Weapons Complex Threat (S-5core, S-8core, S-13core)
    http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/ugroza/
    ugroza.shtml
    The “Threat” aviation guided weapon system includes S-5Kor (caliber 57 mm), S-8Kor (80 mm) and S-13Kor (120 mm) adjustable missiles. They were created on the basis of uncontrolled aircraft missiles (NAR) of the S-5, S-8 and S-13 types by equipping them with semi-active laser homing systems. NAR of these types are the standard armament of almost all combat aircraft and helicopters of the front, army and naval aviation of Russia, as well as the air forces of many foreign countries.