Let it slip? The representative of the Ukrainian NGO told how Russia will be denied the right to veto

An interview with the director of the military programs of the Razumkov Center Nikolai Sungurovsky appeared in the Ukrainian media. For reference: The Razumkov Center is a Ukrainian non-governmental analytical organization dedicated to military, geopolitical, economic, and other research related to a number of foreign structures that are ordering research.

Sungurovsky in his interview answers the question of whether "a large-scale Russian military invasion of Ukraine will take place?" According to the director of the military programs of the center, Putin is unlikely to aggravate the situation.

Sungurovsky quotes the Ukrainian portal Apostrof:

To launch an offensive with the forces of those two corps (army corps of the DPR-LPR) that are in the Donbass? This will not give much effect. Ukraine already has armed forces superior in potential to the forces deployed in the Donbass. If Moscow decides to use artillery, missile forces and Aviation regular troops, it will be an open participation in the conflict, which will lead to the fact that Russia is simply recognized as a party to the conflict, as a result of which it will lose the right of veto in the UN Security Council.

Thus, a representative of the analytical center of Ukraine actually makes it clear to which of the following provocations the West can go in order to make an attempt to deprive the Russian Federation of the veto in the UN Security Council. We are talking about the possible organization of provocations by the Western special services with alleged participation in the "full-scale" hostilities of the Russian military in the Donbas. As practice already shows, no one will provide any evidence - the perpetrator may be appointed in advance.

At the same time, the “original logic” of the Ukrainian expert attracts attention. It boils down to the fact that if Russia enters into conflict, it is immediately “deprivation of the right of veto”, and the situation with constant intervention in all kinds of conflicts of the United States, Britain and France around the world leads to the deprivation of the veto in the UN Security Council should not.

The full version of the interview on YouTube channel "Apostrophe":

Comments

[Greg Miller]

Who will deprive, Ukraine?

[Sergey985]

No, these generally have no voting rights. The whole Western spell raises the issue of the deprivation of veto power.

[Logall]

The Western coalition has long scored at the UN! Resolutions are respected only by its opponents ... Deprive Russia of a veto and organization can be dissolved as unnecessary. Since, I doubt that the Russian Federation will continue its participation in it. And the world will begin one continuous confrontation ...
Pysy: but it’s still just the dreams of ukrovermaht ... That they decide something, something mean ...

[SPACE59]

I watched the interview, if not confused, Nebenzi. So he said that it is impossible to deprive the veto. To do this, you probably have to dissolve the UN.

[krot]

I agree! Yes, and to attend Russia to the UN on any other conditions will not make sense, as in the UN itself!

[major147]

Something similar happened at one time with the League of Nations.

[Orionvit]

Quote: major147

Something like it used to be with the League of Nations

Not something like that, but the same thing. When an organization suffers from impotence and everyone lays on it, then it is dismissed as unnecessary.

[Andrey K]

... Sungurovsky told how Russia will be deprived of the right of veto ...

There are a dime a dozen of such farmer analysts in / in used Ukraine - everyone predicts something, turns out to be
What can be discussed when a crazy rave, if possible, should be isolated from society and treated
This is the same thing that one of the colleagues on the site is concerned about the issue of depriving small Britain of a veto in the UN Security Council. In the West, they will begin to puzzle how to confront our colleague
Sungurov’s smallness of the wrong level is not even the shadow of a pawn played in the UN Security Council in a chess game

[72jora72]

I watched the interview, if not confused, Nebenzi. So he said that it is impossible to deprive the veto. To do this, you probably have to dissolve the UN.

This was agreed upon by the victorious countries when the UN and the Security Council were created.

[Varyag82]

There is China that will veto their attempts to deprive the Russian Federation of veto rights, especially the UK, the FSP and the frogmen have already shown that being a party to the conflict, no one vetoes them, in Syria they are one of the parties to the conflict, so these are anal dreams of another ukroriteka and no more

[svd-xnumx]

There is China that will veto their attempts to deprive the Russian Federation of veto power,

Only Russia itself can deprive Russia of veto power under the UN Charter, which is hypothetically impossible. I'm afraid subhuman people will go the other way: arrange provocations with chemical weapons around the world and accuse Russia of rebuilding the UN for themselves. Or stupidly carry out the entire mission at the UN from Tan , and decisions will be made without Russia, as when sending "UN troops" to the war with the DPRK

Less than a year later, on June 25, 1950, North Korean troops launched the war with an unexpected attack. They crossed the 38th parallel, along which the state border between the two Koreas passed. Their goal was to overthrow the government of South Korea and unite the country under the rule of Kim Il Sung.

Poorly armed and poorly trained South Korean troops failed to repel aggression from the north. Three days later, the capital of the country, Seoul, surrendered to North Korean troops, who continued to advance south on a wide front. South Korea turned to the UN for help. Since January 1950, the Soviet Union refused to participate in the UN due to the presence of the nationalist regime ambassador Chiang Kai-shek as a permanent member of the Security Council from China, and not from the communist government of Mao. Therefore, the USSR could not veto the UN ultimatum to North Korea on the withdrawal of troops. When this ultimatum was ignored by Kim Il Sung, the Security Council called on the member states of the Council to provide military and other assistance to South Korea.

[Setrac]

Quote: svd-xnumx

I’m afraid subhuman people will go the other way: they will organize provocations with chemical weapons all over the world and accuse Russia of rebuilding the UN for themselves.

Anyone who wants to rebuild the UN for themselves must win the Third World War.

[73bor]

Then the UN will follow the League of Nations, the most rotten in our position is that these D +++ are sure that there will be no answers

[Dimontius]

One small detail: With this arbitrariness in international law, when only one RF observes it, in the event of an aggravation of the situation by Kiev, we will already have a deep parallel to that very right. Anyway: the US is bombing Syria for allegedly attacking its population, why can't we hit the fascist junta for the same thing?

[Vitaly Anisimov]

It is time for Russia to withdraw from all of these UN, WTO, gay unions, etc. To do the cleansing inside the country and prepare for the next “crusaders” attack ... I have already expressed the truth to the uterus men, it’s all time to prepare for war and very intensively! They won’t let us live peacefully .. Definitely!

[Nasrat]

December 14, 1939 at the Palais des Nations, the League’s headquarters in Geneva ... Assembly resolution and Council of the League of Nations resolution on the expulsion of the Soviet Union from this international organization condemning "USSR actions against the Finnish state", namely: for starting a war with Finland.

[Corsair0304]

Quote: MIKHAN

It’s time for Russia to leave all these UN, WTO, and gay unions

The UN in the near future, with the continuation of the development of the situation that is developing there now, expects the same thing as with the League of Nations. Hitler spat on this World Organization and unleashed the Second World War.

PS I support - it is necessary to very, very intensively prepare for a possible military aggression against Russia.

Hitler also attacked PSS because in June 41 he had superiority in technology and armaments, and the USSR was in the process of rearmament, which, in principle, is now happening between NATO / Russia

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: MIKHAN

it's time to get ready for war and very intense!

teach how ??? getting ready? ..... like a war horse? ... rest, "suddenly tomorrow is the war, but am I tired?"

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Tiksi-3

Quote: MIKHAN

it's time to get ready for war and very intense!

teach how ??? getting ready? ..... like a war horse? ... rest, "suddenly tomorrow is the war, but am I tired?"

Well, it would be nice to have a mink near where you live to dig deep and narrow And stock up with some water .. And there really how it works! .. God bless us in Russia!
And to the draft board. with a backpack and military card ....!
And there, as always .. we have in Russia! "Our cause is just, Victory will be ours!"

Everything will be as usual with us ...!

[gm9019]

Quote: Greg Miller

Who will deprive, Ukraine?

Without it, those who wish will be in bulk ...

[svp67]

Quote: Greg Miller

Who will deprive, Ukraine?

And who ... they already decided and shared everything there ...
But nothing if you follow this logic:

Russia is simply recognized as a party to the conflict, as a result of which it will lose its veto in the UN Security Council.

For the current attack on Syria, it is entirely possible to do this with the United States, Britain and France ...

[lis-ik]

I think there is no need for provocations here, they will want to, they will come up with an excuse and will be deprived, although then concern will follow, but they are already used to it.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: lis-ik

I think there is no need for provocations, they will want to, come up with an excuse and deprive ...

I think here as with Krylov: but in order to give a legal move, he has a formidable voice .. They need to not only achieve the result, but also present everything in a media form correctly and 'feed' to their public

Quote: lis-ik

though then concern will follow, but they are already used to it.

there really is a concern, it’s time to embed it in the face

[svp67]

Quote: lis-ik

I think there is no need for provocations here, they will want to, they will come up with an excuse and will be deprived, although then concern will follow, but they are already used to it.

Stupidity. This issue MUST be resolved at the UN Security Council, where you shouldn’t even think, but Russia, with all the "Concern", will impose a VETO on this decision.
And no one will not make this proposal to the Security Council, since everything is not without sin, which means that any permanent member of the UN Security Council can be deprived of the veto

[Orionvit]

Quote: svp67

This issue MUST be resolved at the UN Security Council

You forget about such a “player” as China, which by the way is a permanent member of the Security Council and has recently supported almost all of Russia's political initiatives (it has always abstained before). He perfectly understands where the wind is blowing from and what it threatens him with. On the other hand, you can see how sluggish the European partners in NATO supported the missile strike on Syria. They also understand everything, but they cannot say. Like that dog, which is forbidden to bite the owner.

[jetfors_84]

Bullshit cannot be denied the right of veto by any vote. Only to destroy the UN itself. Yes, Ukraine is already the time to clean from mattresses. Many are already waiting not to wait for someone to endure this gang to the brotherhood of those who seized power.

[Lelek]

Quote: jetfors_84

Yes, Ukraine is already the time to clean from mattresses.

And not only. Lists of surnames with affiliation to NATO countries are already being imposed, and some are voiced in open media:

[CAT BAIYUN]

Russia cannot be denied the veto by definition.

[novel66]

Of course, we will veto this decision.

[CAT BAIYUN]

In addition, in my opinion, the UN Charter does not provide for such perdimonokly. Unless the parent country itself waives the right of veto.
But, from my point of view, the UN format has become obsolete. States do not care about the UN.

[novel66]

don't really give a damn. rather, it's their little dog

[Setrac]

Quote: KOT BYUN

But, from my point of view, the UN format has become obsolete. States do not care about the UN.

The UN is a platform for dialogue for sworn friends; one should not expect much from it.

[Ushly_bashkort]

Petyunya with crusts of allegedly Special Forces of the GRU of the General Staff of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Railways went somewhere and whined about the Russian invasion. What other provocations can be arranged to deprive the veto? But these izsperdy like dirt, most did not serve and does not have a military education.

[taiga2018]

only here’s the thing, if Russia decides to openly participate in the conflict, the current authorities of the Sumerians will no longer have time to “enjoy” the fruits of depriving Russia of the veto ...

[Alex-a832]

No more than wet dreams Svidomo. Let them remember the events in South Ossetia. That is why they are afraid to rock the boat for LDNR and the overseas owner does not give the same command. Limited to vile provocations.

[Azazelo]

Judging by this idiotic logic, it’s high time the Yankees were kicked out of the UN Security Council.

[Kot_Kuzya]

Pots in his repertoire. All such millennial slavery was imprinted on their genes. Everyone is waiting for de "the master to come and judge everything."

[tun5t]

It’s time at least once in history to start the war with the Europeans first. This guarantees less loss on our part. And there will be a guarantee: they will never rock the boat again (if the fight is inevitable - hit first. Putin.)

[ioan-e]

As the saying goes, what I sat on was what I thought!

[The r]

China has banned the export of raw materials, sells only highly profitable goods to the West, has overtaken Siemens, Amazon, and Intel, and no one is touching the commies. Strange why?

[72jora72]

China has banned the export of raw materials, sells only highly profitable goods to the West, has overtaken Siemens, Amazon, and Intel, and no one is touching the commies. Strange why?

And you do not remember what sanctions were imposed by the collective West on China, after the events in Beijing Tiananmen Square ?? It was announced that Western countries imposed sanctions against China, providing for the termination of high-level political contacts and the prevention of further lending to China through the World Bank, IMF, and the Asian Development Bank. Western companies were instructed not to trade with Chinese companies and freeze all investment projects in China. Chinese specialists were denied access to high technology in industrialized countries.

[Vasyan1971]

"" Will there be a large-scale Russian military invasion of Ukraine? "
In line .... children in line! © Sharikov P.P. Immediately after Scandinavia, Poland and the Baltic states.

[loginovich]

Already Ukrainians drive lips, who is next?

[75 hammer]

Citizens, calm down in the UN Charter, there is nothing to deprive the VETO right, it is granted to a permanent member of the UN Security Council and that’s it. VETO deprivation automatically destroys the UN as an organization! And accordingly, for agreements between opponents will have to look for another site. And all the stuffing about deprivation, it’s just p.i.nd.d.sos.s.o.e pressure on us to at least protect our partners from Amer's lawlessness! And on skaklov fie again!

[Romario_Argo]

in 2018 we will re-equip Kursk 448-th missile brigade at OTRK Iskander
а PTRC Point will leave for Donbass, look at the APU, how will they like it

[ibn.shamai]

[quote] [/ quote] You already decide there wretched, with whom are you fighting ???

[Zubr]

Well, to deprive Russia of the VETO right, it is necessary to work very hard. I think so, if such a question arises, we will find allies who will put their VETO on the consideration of this resolution. Here it is necessary to think over counter measures for their protection. Well, we have Lavrov and the Supreme peasants are literate, will lead us out of this resolution. So that let Svidomo not deceive, will receive on the hill once again.

[Amateur]

As Martians arrive, so immediately they will be deprived. What about any nonsense is to write. We have a decent site, and not a planning meeting in a psychiatric hospital with a discussion of the pathologies of new patients.

[evil partisan]

Such thinkers in Ukraine - a dime a dozen. Here's another one:

Listen, you will not regret it. True, you have to spit on the screen, but something like that ...

[PENZA]

In general, we need this UN.

[Sanche]

The UN has already outlived its own. Like the League of Nations at one time. Americans have long bombed countries without looking at the UN, what is the point of this organization.

[shuravi]

Quote: Hammer 75

Citizens, calm down in the UN Charter, there is nothing to deprive the VETO right, it is granted to a permanent member of the UN Security Council and that’s it. VETO deprivation automatically destroys the UN as an organization! And accordingly, for agreements between opponents will have to look for another site. And all the stuffing about deprivation, it’s just p.i.nd.d.sos.s.o.e pressure on us to at least protect our partners from Amer's lawlessness! And on skaklov fie again!

Maybe take off your pink glasses and look at reality? The United States and its satellites have long put the device on this international law and only play it as a fig leaf.
Forgotten, as the Kremlin was, extremely concerned about the situation related to the refusal to issue US visas to the delegation of the Russian Ministry of Defense to participate in the joint Russian-Chinese military conference at the UN?
Trial pebble, but it passed.
Therefore, do not be surprised if soon, all the Russians involved in the work of the UN are simply expelled from the United States. Then they will take advantage of the “temporary” absence of the Russian delegation and carry out all the necessary decisions with “universal” support.
After which they will offer the Russian Federation to return to work at the UN, but on new conditions.
And the Russian Federation will wipe off, and the cheers-patriots here will prove to everyone that it’s better to participate than leave in general.
What can I say, there is an example of the Olympics.

They do not agree with the terpils, they are indicated the place.

[Rostislav]

Another attempt to wishful thinking. The UN Charter would be revered first.
But the fact that the provocations against Russia will not stop and will continue to seek ways to do harm, including and regarding the veto in the UN, so this is not in doubt.

[Operator]

In accordance with the UN Charter, it is possible to deprive the veto of any of the permanent members of the Security Council (Russia, USA, China, Britain and France) only in one way - those who wish to be deprived must leave the UN themselves.

So this is just a wet dream of the Ukrainians.

[Alexey-74]

Another monkey imagining himself a professor.

[konstantin68]

"The entry of regular troops of the Russian Federation into Ukraine" is a fairy tale for propagandists and the media.
Given the proximity of the border with Russia, nothing needs to be entered there. Ukrovermaht has no chance there.

[Servisinzhener]

I wonder with what legal mechanism this will happen? Voting in the UN Security Council? ))))

[unignm]

hhhhhhhhh why such conclusions?

[Dormidont]

Excellent iksperd, like all Svidomo

[Vasya Pupkin]

The Shevchenko District Court of Kiev will take away the right of veto from Russia. That's cool. Our smaller brothers have long gone to a highly specialized doctor.

[pyour1k]

Absurd nonsense, what kind of attack on Ukraine? Who needs it? If Kiev withdraws troops, the militias will immediately go home. Poroshenko has too high an opinion of himself, like the Baltic states. In Bandera Ukraine, for Putin, there is no value, like the Baltic states. Donbass he supports only because there are Russian people.

[Architects]

As in the old, good proverb: "D urn thinks richer"

[vadik.line]

It’s unrealistic to do so. Russia will veto such initiatives.

[belovur]

Here it is!

[Meshchersky]

Oh, these wet dreams ukrov ....

[Vbato]

"... if Russia comes into conflict, it’s immediately a“ deprivation of the right of veto ", and the situation with constant interference in all kinds of conflicts of the USA, Britain and France around the world leads to the deprivation of the right of veto in the UN Security Council" cannot and should not " There's nothing to add !!!

[shuravi]

The UN headquarters is in New York, so draw your conclusions.

[macgyver]

It's impossible. The UN Charter does not allow. But once upon a time there was another organization, called the League of Nations, and everyone remembers what happened to it after the USSR left, and it will also be with the UN.

[KVIRTU]

I read the comments. Let me remind you:
1. "Five countries - China, France, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) [whose successor became the Russian Federation in 1991], the United Kingdom and the United States - by virtue of their key role in creating the United Nations ... are vetoed . "
2. The veto is enshrined in an article of the UN Charter.
3. Deprivation of veto is the introduction of amendments to the charter, which is done by voting at the assembly. Not at the Security Council.

[Gorthaur]

So what? Suppose "direct aggression" takes place, what is the mechanism of deprivation? It is impossible to deprive a permanent member of the UN Security Council of the veto because the permanent members of the UN Security Council are the founders of the UN.
To lose the right of veto - Russia must vote against itself, and only so. Russia must adopt a resolution to strip itself of its veto. For obvious reasons this will not happen.
So all this is another blah blah blah.

[jncnfdybr]

Ukraine wants it to be so. Wanting is not harmful, but it’s not possible to do it.)

[shuravi]

Quote: jncnfdybr

Ukraine wants it to be so. Wanting is not harmful, but it’s not possible to do it.)

Present Ukraine is only an instrument of the USA.

[Brzez zbignewski]

Delirium of crazy dill. No one will deprive Russia of anything, even if it annexes the whole of Ukraine, just as they have not deprived the United States of Iraq and France of Libya. They will stink for a long time and disgusting, but they will not trample against scrap.

[SergeyD]

Quote: sveta2016.grigoreva

Any simplest paper is more expensive than the sworn assurances of Russia-written on this paper

how you like to rephrase, distort facts, take them out of context ....
But I will give a complete quote from Bismarck, probably "faith" doesn’t allow you

Do not hope that once using the weakness of Russia, you will receive dividends forever. Russians always come for their money. And when they come - do not rely on the Jesuit agreements that you have signed, supposedly justifying you. They are not worth the paper on which they are written. Therefore, it is worth playing with the Russians honestly, or not at all.

Do you understand the difference between your version and the original?

Quote: sveta2016.grigoreva

We stock up on popcorn.

And yes ... you better not stock up on popcorn, but firewood and dung. They emit more heat during combustion.

[sannyasn]

All these experts in global politics do not understand, and therefore do not see the changes that are taking place in the world. They are puzzled by how the United States is losing ground and trying to explain it somehow, but it is impossible to explain from a lower level what is happening at a higher level. So they carry all kind of foolishness.

[Cich.Ru]

Veto will not crack?

[choose]

Flicker, something the veto rights of the mattresses were not deprived of either Yugoslavia or Libya ...