Two for two. The contract for the construction of frigates project 11356 for India will be signed in June

The contract for the construction of four frigates of the 11356 project under the "two plus two" scheme between Russia and India is planned to be signed in June of this year, TASS reports, citing a military diplomatic source.

In June, it is expected to sign a package contract with India for the construction of four ships of the 11356 project

- said the agency interlocutor, specifying that the document provides for the construction of frigates under the "two plus two" scheme: two - at the Yantar Baltic Shipbuilding Plant (PSZ), two more - at one of the Indian shipyards.

The source also noted that the hulls of frigates 11356 available at the Yantar Shipyard will not be used to fulfill the contract, "the ships will be completely new." Earlier, for the construction of Indian frigates, it was supposed to use three hulls of ships laid in Kaliningrad for the Black Sea fleet. However, later Viktor Bursuk, deputy head of the Russian Navy, said that these frigates would be completed in the interests of the Russian Navy.

What power plants will be installed on Indian frigates - developed on the Russian Saturn or ordered by India independently from the Ukrainian manufacturer Zorya-Mashproekt, is currently unknown.

In India, frigates can be built at Goa Shipyard Limited (GSL). As part of the Defexpo-2018 exhibition in Chennai, India, the company's promotional materials indicated that "the start of construction of frigates is expected in the middle of 2020 of the year." For the Indian Navy before Russia, six such ships were built (type "Talwar").

Ships of the 11356 project have a displacement of about four thousand tons, their speed reaches 30 nodes, the autonomy of navigation is 30 days.

Comments

[Paul zewike]

Some kind of daisy! Love does not love...

[Borik]

Finally clarified. We decided that it is better to order new ones than to take those covered with rust.
And it looks like they will be in a different configuration.

[alexmach]

So they are for India and were made in a different configuration. With chestnuts instead of material cutters and, in my opinion, with a beam PU launcher.

[max702]

The feeling that the MO realized the pointlessness of investing in the surface component of the Navy ... No use whatsoever! Sense in the military confrontation ZERO! Opportunities in this segment of armament are too small and wretched, there is no quantity of no quality .. The bet is on submarines and VCs with missiles ..
RS: According to the mind, it is necessary to close the devastating project "Kuznetsov" because there are so many delicious posts, ranks, and titles that they can’t go for it ...

[Seaflame]

We abandon Kuznetsov and forget about such a component as carrier-based aviation. Then when there will be capacities and means for the construction of aircraft carriers will have to start over again, it is expensive and not fast! Whether such a component is needed for our Navy is another question, I think that is needed.

[max702]

Quote: Seaflame

We abandon Kuznetsov and forget about such a component as carrier-based aviation. Then when there will be capacities and means for the construction of aircraft carriers will have to start over again, it is expensive and not fast! Whether such a component is needed for our Navy is another question, I think that is needed.

With the growth of technology in aviation, rocket science, space target designation, carrier-based aircraft are not needed, just as armadillos, dreadnought, and battleships became no longer needed ... Yes, and large ships of the surface fleet are also in great doubt .. Why spend money on outdated solutions?

[Seaflame]

A surface fleet is needed so that our submarines can safely leave the bases. Submarines are vulnerable to anti-submarine aircraft.

[max702]

Quote: Seaflame

A surface fleet is needed so that our submarines can safely leave the bases. Submarines are vulnerable to anti-submarine aircraft.

Why should our submarines leave the bases? The fact that they are carrying ICBMs is not particularly capable of firing off the pier, but if there is a real threat of destruction of multi-purpose, this means the third world .. At those lines where there is difficulty in accessing the open ocean, and where it is REALLY able to intercept our nuclear submarines, it’s quite possible to arrange coastal aviation cover Now it allows, but again, this is the least likely scenario to put too much at stake.

[Seaflame]

From these considerations, we can say that the marine component of the nuclear triad is somehow not particularly needed ... Well, in fact, why are ultra-expensive underwater "bomb carriers" when it is much cheaper and faster to create extra Topol-M or Yars divisions? But let us recall the main tactical property of submarines - secrecy. The adversary wants to deliver a nuclear strike first, the nuclear submarines standing against the wall are most likely to be destroyed (one can also say about the other two components of the nuclear triad). And when there is a nuclear submarine in the sea (and where is it?), The probability of getting a "response" to the first strike increases by orders of magnitude.

[ancestors from Don]

Hindus rush around the world buying unsystematically weapons, in this case for Russia I see two negative aspects, frigates are built with the transfer of technology, otherwise the Indians do not buy, and personally I would prefer to build up the Russian Navy with the same frigates of project 11356 with armament of cruise missiles, this is oh Now it would be useful in the Syrian confrontation, well, the Navy command knows better.

[Heterocapsa]

the Saudis rush around and buy more than the Indians.

[Igor V]

For Indian frigates they will receive money to build their own. So it was with the first series. Self-sufficiency, however.

[Bad_santa]

If you listen to this, then the Moscow Region does not give up money for the construction of its own fleet. All factories and shipyards are building for the country on the resources received from sales abroad

[Faith]

So the budget of the Moscow region for the year 18 is only $ 46 billion, less than that of the Britons, you have to spin.

[Evgeniy667b]

Bad_santa And you are not far from the truth. There is a deep misconception that arms export allows you to build yourself on the proceeds. At VO this can be traced quite specifically. Suppose the Russian Federation fulfills this contract with the Indians. People will receive a salary and make personal income tax deductions. Here, overhead costs. There remains a profit that goes to USC, partly on equipment, and it is not always profitable to show it. It's easier to gobble up !. No hints of investing in another ship for the Russian Navy. This is a MO initiative through funds allocated from the budget. Only a private enterprise such as Pella can afford to invest. An export parish is much easier to cut down on you than a budget for which they can be blown up, which is why they are so fiercely fighting for it.

[Evgeniy667b]

So it turns out that common sense is inferior to the greed of the Russian leadership!

[K-50]

You look at one and the engines paid by Russia will be put into action and the denyuzhku will be returned.

[Viktor Petrov]

As if after the first exit to the sea, it was not necessary then to repair in Russia

[san4es]

Engine room of the frigate "Admiral Grigorovich" pr.11356R, June 2015
Energy - 4 x WCM-800 diesel generators with a capacity of 800 kW (in Indian frigates)The post of energy and survivability (PES) of the frigate "Admiral Grigorovich" pr.11356R, June 2015
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-163.html

[san4es]

DATA FOR 2017 (standard replenishment)
Project 11356 - Mod. KRIVAK-III
"Talwar" "Teg"
"Trishul" "Tarkash"
"Tabar" "Trikand"
Project 11356/11356R
TTX of the ship:
Crew - 180 people (including 18 officers)
Maximum length - 124,8 m
Width - 15,2 m
Draft:
- 4,2 / 4.5 m (with standard displacement)
- 7.5 m (overall)
Full displacement - 4035 t
Standard displacement - 3620/3830 t
Full speed - 30 knots
The speed of the economic course - 14 knots
Navigation range:
- 4500 miles (18 knots)
- 4850 miles (14 knots)
Autonomy - 30 days

[New Year day]

if completely new hulls, then probably soon there will be engines for our ships.
Indians will equip their Ukrainians, do not go to the grandmother. Why change what works

[Bronevick]

Why not make 11356 for all fleets of 6 pieces, well, when will the engines learn to do naturally? The ship seems to be good and looks serious, unlike 20385. It seems to me that it would be a good fit for the role of the main ship of the Russian fleet for the first time. Since 22350 a muddy story, admirals say about him that they say the boat seems to be good, but it is painfully expensive and difficult to build. 20380 (5) - in general, a watchman, maybe there are calibers, but he does not swim far, he cannot swim to Syria without refueling. In my opinion, 11356 right now would really fit into the role of the main warship.

[next322]

but better this is http://www.aoosk.ru/products/project-22356/

[Proton]

Money and contracts are good, but we don’t build our frigates for ourselves, and we load shipyards for strangers
Do we understand that a case of what, these frigates can be transferred to third countries?

[Alexey-74]

We decided it means in the interests of our Navy corps to complete and betray the frigates .... well, at least that.