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Time to go home? Russian students want to return from abroad

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Rossotrudnichestvo launched the project “Highly Likely Welcome Back, or it's Time to Go Home!” To create the conditions for the return of Russian students from the UK and other countries who “display a hostile attitude” towards Russia. The creators of the project are confident that a significant number of students studying abroad want to return to Russia “for political reasons,” Kommersant writes.


Time to go home? Russian students want to return from abroad


There are serious concerns that young Russians may suffer from provocations in countries that are unfriendly towards our country.
- moderator Oksana Buriak said at the presentation of the Rossotrudnichestvo project.

Young people were offered to graduate from MGIMO of the Russian Foreign Ministry, where they are already ready to accept several hundred students.

Found and solution to the issue of resettlement and employment. Oleg Mansurov, head of the Preactum business community, noted that students studying abroad “will be ready to move to the Far East in the case of ambitious projects”.

Students and experts in the UK interviewed by the publication, however, noted that they did not feel any pressure due to the crisis in relations between the two governments. The British Embassy also stressed that in Foggy Albion, "as always, they are very happy for Russians who come to study or tourism."

According to official data for 2017, about 60 thousands of students from Russia study in foreign universities.
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  1. Sam_gosling
    Sam_gosling April 17 2018 13: 24
    +20
    And nobody wants to ask students about this? It would be better if they first wrote out the student children of our strong business executives, but they grandmas paid... we know where they came from.
    1. Borik
      Borik April 17 2018 13: 25
      +31
      Potential fifth column.
      1. alexmach
        alexmach April 17 2018 14: 41
        +6
        No, it’s not so simple. Education abroad is still a good acquaintance with the life there and with the education system. This broadens the horizons, and if these people return and do not settle there, this will be only a plus for the country. Of course, if you have any brains. Peskov’s daughter should not be cited as an example.
        1. forty-eighth
          forty-eighth April 17 2018 15: 21
          +4
          The Chinese are happy to grant those who were able to enter prestigious foreign universities, or have a detailed business plan for foreign economic activity. In other words, who clearly understands why he is leaving China. Contact is maintained with them and help is provided. China considers emigrants to be guides of its interests abroad, and not traitors, as is customary here for some reason.
        2. private person
          private person April 17 2018 16: 17
          +6
          Quote: alexmach
          No, it’s not so simple. Education abroad is still a good acquaintance with the life there and with the education system. This broadens the horizons, and if these people return and do not settle there, this will be only a plus for the country. Of course, if you have any brains. Peskov’s daughter should not be cited as an example.

          What are you talking about, what is your horizons? For the benefit of what and whose interests will these students subsequently work? The answer is obvious, the children of ordinary workers are not there; the children of the "patriots" of Russia are studying there.
          1. alexmach
            alexmach April 17 2018 18: 02
            +2
            For the benefit of what and whose interests will these students subsequently work? The answer is obvious.

            It’s not obvious to me at all.
            The answer is obvious, the children of ordinary workers are not there; the children of the "patriots" of Russia are studying there.

            We live in a capitalist society, and here everyone works for his own good, however, if these people live in Russia and engage in something productive, it will be useful to the whole community as well.
        3. dauria
          dauria April 17 2018 16: 34
          +10
          This broadens the horizons, and if these people return and do not settle there, this will be only a plus for the country.


          Expensive day nursery. They broaden their horizons and learn to speak English. The output for us is neither this nor that. It's easier to hire a homeless person from under the Manhattan Bridge. And he knows English, and his horizons are wider. And maybe even Russia will fall in love, unlike these "golden kids."
          1. alexmach
            alexmach April 17 2018 18: 05
            0
            Expensive - yes.
            But who said that they only learn languages ​​there? There was such a man - Peter Kapitsa. Take an interest in his biography.
            Do you want a cognitive fact? Do you know who the first from Russia organizedly sent students to study abroad?
            1. dauria
              dauria April 17 2018 18: 29
              +3
              sent students to study abroad?


              Now 1 out of a hundred is sent for knowledge. The rest (more precisely, their mum dads) need prestigious crusts. And they "buy" them. If I were sent for a state account AFTER a real competitive entrance exam at the Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology, I would say "Yes, this is a worthwhile business." Now there is a competition of purses and “position” and “proximity to the body” of parents. Or just a whim, like buying a yacht or an islet.
              1. alexmach
                alexmach April 17 2018 21: 48
                +1
                Well, so the first and the same, Ivan the Great sent 10 people to study abroad, in my opinion, to England, at public expense. Of the 10 sent, none returned.

                And so - yes, I agree. Schools are sent not at all the best .. and not to study at all.
    2. Muvka
      Muvka April 17 2018 13: 31
      +2
      Quote: Sam_gosling
      And nobody wants to ask students about this? It would be better if they first wrote out the student children of our strong business executives, but they grandmas paid... we know where they came from.

      So nobody seems to be forcing. Everything is voluntary.
    3. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 April 17 2018 13: 42
      +3
      Quote: Sam_gosling
      but they paid grandmas ... we know where they came from.

      how do you know that? ..... did you give them something? .... hang labels not carry bags ..... hero patriot
    4. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir April 17 2018 13: 54
      +8
      Quote: Sam_gosling
      And nobody wants to ask students about this?

      and it’s not necessary, higher education is not only knowledge but also a way of thinking, we ourselves grow mankurts
      1. ul_vitalii
        ul_vitalii April 17 2018 14: 01
        +13
        It’s clear that some of them have been compromised, even on the basis of provocations that will fire at the right time and in the right place, and these are drives to the police, alcohol, drugs, and pornography.
        1. bald
          bald April 17 2018 14: 06
          +12
          They, Vitaly, are no longer ours.
          1. ul_vitalii
            ul_vitalii April 17 2018 14: 15
            +6
            Quote: bald
            They, Vitaly, are no longer ours.

            Yes, Vladimir hi They took a breath of free air on my father’s money, no matter how earned. They were sent from the evil influence of Moscow and St. Petersburg ... streets, receiving in return samples of democracy.
            1. bald
              bald April 17 2018 17: 07
              +2
              Everything is just like that.
      2. helmi8
        helmi8 April 17 2018 14: 18
        +13
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        higher education is not only knowledge but also a way of thinking

        Higher education does not always give even average quick wits. But their brains are washed there specifically. And those who have problems with quick wits return from there with new guides, chubays, amnuels ...
        1. _Sergei_
          _Sergei_ April 17 2018 15: 18
          +1
          students studying abroad “will be ready in the case of ambitious projects to move to the Far East”
          good
    5. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg April 17 2018 14: 01
      +4
      Quote: Sam_gosling
      And nobody wants to ask students about this? It would be better if they first wrote out the student children of our strong business executives, but they grandmas paid... we know where they came from.


      Do you think someone will ask you when they will be poisoned with military chemistry and then made a scarecrow for the whole world?
      1. Sam_gosling
        Sam_gosling April 17 2018 14: 43
        +1
        And how does this relate to learning?
        1. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg April 17 2018 15: 23
          +3
          Quote: Sam_gosling
          And how does this relate to learning?


          Just as the poisoning of the Skripals is connected with Russia.
          1. Sam_gosling
            Sam_gosling April 17 2018 17: 57
            0
            The topic is about studying in other countries, and not about poisoning like ... I think your phobia is developing on this basis.
  2. Proxima
    Proxima April 17 2018 13: 25
    +9
    "... on Foggy Albion," as always, very happy Russians fellow who come for the purpose of training or tourism. " (from text)

    Oh well! How to fix dirty tricks, the British master. And how to take money from tourists and students - always welcome! belay
  3. alexhol
    alexhol April 17 2018 13: 31
    +13
    laughing laughing laughing Only children and grandchildren of deputies and members of the government will remain
    1. Observer2014
      Observer2014 April 17 2018 13: 35
      +8
      alexhol (Alexander)
      Only children and grandchildren of deputies and members of the government will remain
      100%. Great-grandchildren soon laughing
  4. milling machine
    milling machine April 17 2018 13: 31
    +20
    I can hardly imagine a young specialist who will voluntarily return to Russia if he can get a job there.
    And our bureaucrats understand this very well, and for this very reason there is a line in the text: "There are serious concerns that young Russians may suffer from provocations in countries that are unfriendly towards our country."which sounds like a threat. Like, if you don’t return, something bad may happen to you.
    1. reservist
      reservist April 17 2018 16: 21
      +5
      I know one such thing, a man expects to get a doctor’s diploma in a couple of years and find a job with a salary of three thousand euros
      says that if our doctors had the same salaries, he would gladly return to their homeland
      an inner voice suggests that in the near future is unlikely to return ...
  5. reservist
    reservist April 17 2018 13: 31
    +7
    Young people were offered to finish their studies at MGIMO of the Russian Foreign Ministry ...
    ... students studying abroad “will be ready in the event of ambitious projects to move to the Far East.”

    I wonder what MGIMO graduate will do on the “Far Eastern hectare”?
    1. Liana793
      Liana793 April 17 2018 14: 31
      +4
      Sell ​​these very hectares to the Chinese. With the highest level of economic and legal training.
    2. _Sergei_
      _Sergei_ April 17 2018 15: 19
      0
      To breed bees, to frighten bears.
      1. reservist
        reservist April 17 2018 16: 11
        +3
        Quote: _Sergey_
        scare the bears

        it is still unknown who whom ...
  6. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov April 17 2018 13: 33
    +2
    Have assets and families been taken out or are they just getting ready?
  7. Stoler
    Stoler April 17 2018 13: 35
    +5
    Why do we need so many "lawyers" ???? request laughing
    1. Orionvit
      Orionvit April 17 2018 14: 24
      +3
      space must remain out of politics
      And sociologists.
      1. Chichikov
        Chichikov April 17 2018 16: 35
        +1
        Quote: Stoler
        Why do we need so many "lawyers" ????

        After all, someone should replace Alekseev and other retirees who are defenders of the Fatherland !!!!!!!
  8. BAI
    BAI April 17 2018 13: 39
    +2
    Young people were offered to graduate from MGIMO of the Russian Foreign Ministry, where they are already ready to accept several hundred students.

    And the remaining 60 to where?
    And what should I do with the Swiss branch of Moscow State University?
    1. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 April 17 2018 13: 44
      +4
      Quote: BAI
      And the remaining 60 to where?

      Duc to the moon or to Mars .... where else? ... why do we need these students ?? fool
  9. Greenwood
    Greenwood April 17 2018 13: 43
    +23
    that a significant number of students abroad want to return to Russia "for political reasons"
    "In the case of ambitious projects, they will be ready to move to the Far East."
    Oh God, what are they carrying. I personally know a few people who went to study in the same England, and also in Spain, Japan and China. Someone was sent by parents, someone at an older age left. But they did it deliberately, saying "they moved away from Russian reality." And do these gentlemen from Rossotrudnichestvo really think that any of these students will return to Russia voluntarily? Yes, they do not call Russia otherwise than Raska, what do you think, what is their attitude to it.
    1. Orionvit
      Orionvit April 17 2018 14: 28
      +2
      Quote: Greenwood
      "left away from Russian reality"

      Times have the ability to change. Many still live with the pro-Western illusions of the sample of the 90s. I agree, then it was really good there. What is there in the West now that is not in Russia? Is there a lot of money? So all these “students” did not go there to earn money, but for “daddy's money”. Nothing, until the next financial crisis, which they happen regularly, and the next is just around the corner.
      1. Hort
        Hort April 17 2018 14: 36
        +4
        the thing is that with Western diplomas they can easily find a well-paid job in their own specialty anywhere in the world, practically
      2. Greenwood
        Greenwood April 17 2018 15: 15
        +11
        Quote: Orionvit
        Many still live with the pro-Western illusions of the sample of the 90s.
        There are no illusions. There is an objective reality. The standard of living in Russia is not comparable with the United States.
        Quote: Orionvit
        What is there in the West now that is not in Russia?
        I have not been to Western countries, but I had a chance to learn in Japan. And there is excellent infrastructure and landscaping, ideal roads and cleanliness in the streets, delicious healthy food made from natural ingredients (and not like ours), clean tap water (which you can really drink and that does not stink of bleach), an extremely low level crime, and still high salaries (many times higher than Russian), at least in my field of activity. One can add to this the generally high culture and politeness prevailing in Japanese society, high level of service and maintenance, low inflation, low interest on loans (3% is already robbery by their standards), and practically unchanged prices for goods and services.
        And this is what I came across personally, and not according to the stories of the OBS, reading from the Internet or beautiful pictures from the TV. He arrived home, saw his native groomed streets, paved sidewalks and roads with fresh pits after the next rain, and at the same time gasoline prices increased by a ruble, and wept.
        Quote: Orionvit
        Nothing, until the next financial crisis, which they happen regularly, and the next is just around the corner.
        Here, rather, you console yourself with illusions (and a campaign of hopes that the cow will die from the neighbor). Any crisis in the West for some reason turns into problems in Russia. So I see no reason for gloating.
        1. uskrabut
          uskrabut April 17 2018 16: 00
          +1
          Quote: Greenwood
          low inflation, low interest on loans (3% is already robbery by their standards), virtually unchanged prices for goods and services.

          And what about guest workers? As far as I know, this is strictly in Japan (in Switzerland, too). Therefore, there are salaries and everything else on top.
          1. Greenwood
            Greenwood April 17 2018 16: 14
            +3
            Quote: uskrabut
            And what about guest workers?
            There is no such thing. At least in the form in which we perceive this word. Many foreigners, for example, Chinese, Indians, and Pakistanis work in the service sector, as sellers, waiters, dishwashers, and movers. On average, about 50-70 tr are paid for such work. on our money. But all these people come to the country to learn the language and are forced to somehow spin, pay for housing, food, etc. The Russians living there also go through this. When the level of language rises sufficiently, you can apply for a job as a thread manager in a hotel or store. Well, naturally, engineers and IT-specialists with experience are very, very much in demand and their salaries reach 200-400 tr. per month for our money.
            In general, of course, Japan is a very specific country, for an amateur what is called. Not everyone can live there.
        2. Orionvit
          Orionvit April 17 2018 17: 18
          +2
          Quote: Greenwood
          So I see no reason for gloating.

          And here is the gloating? There is a good saying, "Where you were born, it came in handy." the conversation now is not about Japan, but about Western countries. They made a mess of Paris, all of France is on strike against the abolition of social programs, in London you will not see a white man in the afternoon with fire, and so on. I’m not making anything up, it’s time to go down to earth and admit that the vivid image of the West is just a “tourist picture” that has remained in our memory. And they have spitting streets (and you don’t spit), and slums and paupers, and the European Union is falling apart. Yes, their salaries are certainly higher, but the costs are not at all comparable. So life needs to be improved where it was born and where you live.
          1. S-kerrigan
            S-kerrigan April 18 2018 05: 53
            0
            So life needs to be improved where it was born and where you live.

            Another one who believes that he knows better than anyone "how to live."

            I was born on planet Earth, and you? Moon or mars?
            The Earth - it is the Earth, and a normal person should not give a shit about someone there verbally in the "head" about "where he was born - it came in handy." Each blacksmith of his own happiness. Wherever he wants, let him go there.

            For example, I found myself in an extremely hostile environment. Regular skirmishes with the "other population". Once it came to the "trunk to my head." In the coffin I saw "come in handy" in that cesspool.
          2. Greenwood
            Greenwood April 18 2018 06: 51
            +1
            Quote: Orionvit
            There is a good saying, "Where you were born, it came in handy."
            If everyone lived according to this saying, there would be no great migration of peoples, Europeans would not have discovered America, and Russians would not have settled Siberia and the Far East.
            Quote: Orionvit
            the conversation now is not about Japan, but about Western countries.
            Not the point.
            Quote: Orionvit
            They made a mess of Paris, all of France is on strike against the abolition of social programs, in London you will not see a white man in the afternoon with fire, and so on.
            Neither Paris nor London were ever mega-clean and well-groomed, just like overpopulated New York. All the charm of Europe is in the province, where the indigenous population lives. And then, you write so categorically, have you personally been to Paris and London, or are you retelling the propaganda of Channel One again ?!
            Quote: Orionvit
            And they have spitting streets (and you don’t spit), and slums and paupers, and the European Union is falling apart.
            Yes Yes Yes. And America will soon collapse.
            Quote: Orionvit
            Yes, their salaries are certainly higher, but the costs are not at all comparable.
            Their salaries are higher, and they can buy for these salaries much more than the average Russian (especially not living in the Moscow and St. Petersburg regions).
            Quote: Orionvit
            So life needs to be improved where it was born and where you live.
            Flag in your hands, improve.
    2. pafegosoff
      pafegosoff April 17 2018 16: 17
      +5
      Well, what, the majority of foreign students consider Russians “dirt”, unworthy of their exalted soul and ingenious mind. Naturally, they despise Putin, as well as all those who voted for him. The only dream for Russia to die is to become part of the United States. And then maybe they will return to "this country." (I know these personally). Vlasov, Skuro, Krasnov, other
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood April 17 2018 16: 19
        +7
        Quote: pafegosoff
        Naturally, they despise Putin, as well as all those who voted for him.
        You know, I would still advise you to separate Russia from Putin. You can love Russia, but you can’t carry Putin and the government to the spirit, and quite reasonably.
  10. pepel
    pepel April 17 2018 13: 50
    +8
    State children employees, starting from the cleaning lady in the village council, and ending with the president should be trained ONLY in Russia. Otherwise, sovereignty is a fiction, because the West keeps our elite not only for “grandmothers”, but also for family members (on occasion you can incriminate anything you like to influence politics). am
  11. dgonni
    dgonni April 17 2018 13: 52
    +14
    Neighing aki horse laughing . That's the whole level of professionalism of the highest establishment. Well, the phrase "will be ready in case of ambitious projects to move to the Far East" just made my day lol .
    1. dzuar saubarag
      dzuar saubarag April 17 2018 14: 07
      +6
      Verily! I deeply doubt that someone will peck at it. By the way, an immodest question for our officials - their children will set an example to everyone else, or is this a holy family, do not touch ...?
  12. Masya masya
    Masya masya April 17 2018 13: 57
    +7
    Oleg Mansurov noted that students studying abroad “will be ready in case of ambitious projects to move to the Far East.”

    agree, if only for Kamchatka ...
    1. ul_vitalii
      ul_vitalii April 17 2018 14: 34
      +3
      Hello Marina hi And the ambitious project is BAM, virgin soil, in short the Komsomol set, as in the song: love, Komsomol and spring. smile
      1. Masya masya
        Masya masya April 17 2018 14: 42
        +1
        Vitaliy, howdy there! love
        Quote: ul_vitalii
        And the ambitious project is BAM, virgin soil, in short the Komsomol set, as in the song: love, Komsomol and spring

        the spirit is not that enthusiasm, did not study abroad ...
        Let the tarry smoke float
        Through the thick branches
        Will be the youngest
        This waltz is forever.
        Will be the youngest
        This waltz is forever ... love
        1. ul_vitalii
          ul_vitalii April 17 2018 16: 15
          +6
          Marina love But I was in your area. In 81, from Norilsk, after the ninth grade, they were in a labor camp near Minusinsk in the village. Two months ago, forage crops were collected. By plane to Krasnoyarsk, then to Abakan by train and to the place, nature good in a word the Sayans! Return to Krasnoyarsk and the ship along the Yenisei to Dudinka, thing! good Well, for the excellent work, we were awarded a trip to Shushenskoye, the museum of V.I. Lenin. laughing Places you are beautiful. hi
  13. Vard
    Vard April 17 2018 14: 24
    +3
    London on Berobidzhan ... it seems to me that not everything is so thought out ... as some would like ...
  14. Orionvit
    Orionvit April 17 2018 14: 24
    0
    Quote: Stoler
    Why do we need so many "lawyers" ???? request laughing

    And sociologists. lol
  15. Liana793
    Liana793 April 17 2018 14: 28
    +2
    "... on Foggy Albion," as always, we are very pleased with the Russians who come for the purpose of training or tourism ... "
    So rejoiced the arrival of the Skripals that they almost left for that joy in another world ...
  16. Hort
    Hort April 17 2018 14: 34
    +1
    The creators of the project are sure that a significant number of students abroad want to return to Russia "for political reasons"
    yeah, of course, running back already hair
  17. Topotun
    Topotun April 17 2018 14: 35
    +4
    And the hell are they here? Are you sure that these are still Russian students? They can wash their brains there. In my opinion, it is better to put the country's regions on their feet. The country has enough brains - to give them only the opportunity and incentive to develop.
  18. g1washntwn
    g1washntwn April 17 2018 14: 38
    +2
    Creating conditions for young future specialists is wonderful. Because the West pursues a consistent policy of siphoning off scientific potential and the processing of students begins already from the end of school. He graduated as a medalist - count on a pencil from Western organizations engaged in enticing promising personnel. The niece finished with a gold medal, so the email was bombarded with all kinds of advertising rubbish from foreign agents with offers of caramel life, so I had to change the box. And our small selfish firms help them in collecting information <- that's where the FSB should look.
    1. forty-eighth
      forty-eighth April 17 2018 15: 27
      +2
      I graduated from high school with a gold medal. Nobody bombarded me with advertising rubbish; everyone didn't care. Both ours and yours. One good Moscow institute showed some interest, where in the end I stayed to study.
      Therefore, stories about medalists "in pencil" are in favor of the poor.
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood April 17 2018 15: 37
        +2
        The same thing, though finished with a silver medal. Western countries, of course, are luring engineers and IT specialists, but on condition that this engineer or IT specialist has somehow noted himself and proved his qualifications. He participated in some joint projects with a pronounced result, worked in freelance, remotely. As a rule, people with experience are taken.
      2. g1washntwn
        g1washntwn April 18 2018 08: 16
        0
        Read the comments from Greenwood and admit to yourself that they were simply not active enough to be noticed. Life is such a thing that you can at least get settled on the battlefield, but if no one sees it - "and no one will know where my grave is".
        The phrase "in favor of the poor" is children's trolling, headhunting in the West is put on stream and this is a fact.
  19. shura7782
    shura7782 April 17 2018 14: 40
    +4
    The creators of the project are sure that a significant number of students abroad want to return to Russia On vacation to dad with mom and no more. We can’t lure them from there.
    1. pogon
      pogon April 17 2018 15: 51
      +1
      Quote: shura7782
      On vacation to dad with mom and no more
      She, on the contrary, is mom with a tata to them.
      1. shura7782
        shura7782 April 17 2018 17: 25
        0
        Quote: pogon
        Quote: shura7782
        On vacation to dad with mom and no more
        She, on the contrary, is mom with a tata to them.

        And such a thing.
  20. seacap
    seacap April 17 2018 14: 41
    +5
    They realized it, and before that they produced and educated devoted patriots and excellent specialists for our homeland? Something more than half were not particularly in a hurry to return to their native land, and those who returned did not notice the suddenly appeared talents in creative work for the benefit of the people, and especially their love for them or at least elementary respect and appreciation. Hence the question, incidentally noticed by the late grandfather Brzezinski, are we our people who run the state, ministries and industries of the country, which, judging by their actions and stubbornly pushed decisions, endless reforms, constant “invention of the bicycle” do not care about the future of this stranger them of the country and its despicable and wretched, in their view, people, if relatives and children, real estate and capital acquired by "excessive" labor at the disposal and control of foreign owners. It’s insulting and incomprehensible to others, like the still remaining adequate statesmen and patriots, officers and generals (there are no former ones) who swore allegiance, albeit not to this country, but to this people of their own, stare blankly at this, allowing further looting in the territory of the murdered woman empire, for the destruction, overt robbery and murder of the last bastion of Slavic civilization, which our ancestors created and cherished for posterity for more than 7000 years.
  21. seacap
    seacap April 17 2018 14: 45
    0
    Quote: Masya Masya
    agree, if only for Kamchatka ...

    By the way, very promising territories in all respects with competent management and with political will and desire, there is everything for a worthy and eventful, full-fledged life
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood April 17 2018 15: 49
      +5
      Quote: seacap
      worthy and rich, fulfilling life
      A worthy and eventful, full-fledged life in Russia breaks off outside the Moscow Ring Road. And I do not observe the prerequisites for the development gap between Moscow and the regions to be somehow overcome.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack April 17 2018 16: 10
        +2
        Quote: Greenwood
        A worthy and rich, full-fledged life in Russia breaks off outside the Moscow Ring Road

        And what do you think is “worthy and rich, full life”?
        And beyond the Moscow Ring Road that there is no way to "live with dignity, fully and fully"?
        And inside the Moscow Ring Road that, as one, they live "with dignity, fullness and intensity"?
        Thank you yes
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood April 18 2018 06: 58
          0
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          And what do you think is “worthy and rich, full life”?
          Unsubscribed below. Living in a landscaped area with a high level of landscaping and infrastructure, with well-functioning utilities. Developed transport infrastructure. Developed system of trade, services, leisure, cultural and educational institutions. Affordable housing with low mortgage rates, medical care with appropriate staff qualifications and modern equipment. Ability to work in a specialty with a decent salary. Normal roads and clean sidewalks in the end.
          So, for the most part of the above in Russia, alas, no.
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Thank you
          Eat healthy.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack April 18 2018 07: 19
            0
            I will remind you of one of your (IMHO controversial) thoughts:
            Quote: Greenwood
            Decent and rich, full life in Russia breaks outside the Moscow Ring Road

            Well, now "split up":
            Quote: Greenwood
            Living in a landscaped area with a high level of landscaping and infrastructure ...

            In Moscow, with all this, perhaps, is too much. That's just nowhere to spit with pleasure request
            Quote: Greenwood
            Developed system of trade, services, leisure, cultural and educational institutions ...

            Also - bust. We are not talking about quality yet wink
            Quote: Greenwood
            Affordable housing with low mortgage rates

            In Moscow??? Wake up, you are fascinated laughing
            Quote: Greenwood
            Ability to work in a specialty with decent salary

            Very much depends on. For example - I am much over a fifty dollars, and I have a normal job. I know a lot of people who have it ... not at all, say.
            Here - "who studied what," I'm sorry.
            Quote: Greenwood
            Eat healthy

            It will be a little (s).
            You answered only the simplest of the questions. I remind you - there is a couple more:
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            And beyond the Moscow Ring Road that there is no way to "live with dignity, fully and fully"?
            And inside the Moscow Ring Road that, as one, they live "with dignity, fullness and intensity"?

            Thank you yes
    2. pogon
      pogon April 17 2018 15: 53
      0
      Quote: seacap
      Kamchatka
      Kamchatka should be declared an international reserve, under international management.
      1. Antokha
        Antokha April 17 2018 19: 00
        +1
        Only after California
    3. uskrabut
      uskrabut April 17 2018 15: 54
      +2
      Quote: seacap
      there is everything for a decent and rich, fulfilling life

      remoteness from cultural institutions, healthcare and educational institutions, lack of a normal road network and low salaries .... and yes, everything is for life
  22. GRIGORIY76
    GRIGORIY76 April 17 2018 15: 07
    +8
    I will give an example, on the one hand, saying that in some universities we have a good education, and on the other, that engineers still leave and work for the benefit of other states. My relative graduated from Samara Aerospace University in 2009, returned to Rybinsk, as he had to work for NPO Saturn under a contract, worked for three years in KB, receiving 13-15 tr per month, wrote a letter of resignation, was interviewed by some French company that supplies gas turbines to Russia for gas pumping and now works there as a department head in KB. That is, a person who has studied in Russia is involved in the design of products that are sold to Russia and with the help of which they drive gas to the same West through gas pipelines. Well, of course, a monetary reward is completely different. This is just one example, and there are thousands of them.
    1. Gene Concrete
      Gene Concrete April 17 2018 16: 29
      +2
      There are millions of them, starting in 2014, the migration of specialists from Russia is breaking all records, more than half of students dream of leaving the country, and there is a direct dependence on the prestige of the educational institution, and many will fail.
      It just so happened that the smart and capable do not want to tighten their belts tighter for the sake of duck houses, fish yachts, while the country is slipping into North Korea.
  23. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov April 17 2018 15: 46
    +2
    Another stillborn project from the government! Do nothing more to do power chtoli?
  24. uskrabut
    uskrabut April 17 2018 15: 49
    +3
    Yes, let them study abroad, if they so wish. But the state or municipal service with this type of education should be prohibited from accepting to senior positions in state companies, too. Well, the corresponding status of such graduates should be, like the "foreign agent" in the SNILS to register. Well, by itself an additional tax burden. Otherwise, our education, our "elite" will kill, so that their children look better against the background of Russian graduates
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov April 17 2018 16: 30
      +4
      Quote: uskrabut
      Yes, let them study abroad, if they so wish. But the state or municipal service with this type of education should be prohibited from accepting to senior positions in state companies, too. Well, the corresponding status of such graduates should be, like the "foreign agent" in the SNILS to register. Well, by itself an additional tax burden. Otherwise, our education, our "elite" will kill, so that their children look better against the background of Russian graduates

      Lomonosov, Pirogov, Mendeleev studied abroad, and I don’t remember something to be discriminated against while being hired. It seems that at least half of these children of the Russian Federation have already lost. Well, and if to realize your offers, in general, no one will return. Does Russia no longer need competent specialists?
  25. Bronevick
    Bronevick April 17 2018 16: 24
    +3
    The country is completely crazy. You don’t need to be Wanga to understand that 91 years are coming.
  26. samarin1969
    samarin1969 April 17 2018 17: 23
    +1
    It would be better if deputies introduced a ban on the recognition of English diplomas. Why should Russia feed enemy educational institutions. Let the "major" knocked there for permanent residence.
  27. 23424636
    23424636 April 17 2018 17: 52
    +2
    what do they learn? Hate Russia on the platform of the Western worldview .. Only technology and only under control. The rest to return to the kibbutz (collective farm) for potatoes.
  28. seacap
    seacap April 17 2018 18: 06
    0
    Quote: Greenwood
    A worthy and eventful, full-fledged life in Russia breaks off outside the Moscow Ring Road. And I do not observe the prerequisites for the development gap between Moscow and the regions to be somehow overcome.

    Unfortunately, I have to agree. At the same time, with all due respect to the capital, Moscow is another country whose attitude, as a metropolis, to the rest of the territory as a colony, and its re-centralization of everything and everything, is a threat to the continued existence of the state and the inviolability of its borders.
  29. seacap
    seacap April 17 2018 18: 17
    0
    Quote: 23424636
    what do they learn? Hate Russia on the platform of the Western worldview .. Only technology and only under control. The rest to return to the kibbutz (collective farm) for potatoes.

    nobody plans to return anyone anywhere, and the further existence of the country and the Slavs is not envisaged, this has been openly stated in many works and for many centuries, everything is going according to plan, slowly and correctly, the non-brothers are not Russian, although who could still be 5 years old think back about it, Belarusians no, no, yes kicked up, seemingly quiet Kazakhstan, along the eastern quietly and meanly has long been on the path of more unsophisticated and rushing non-brothers, and even in our country they are more and more insistent on renouncing our victories and achievements destroying history and science, depriving us of the future, destroying education and culture, planting other people's values ​​and moral standards, forcing us to constantly repent for everything and everything, instilling in us an inferiority and bankruptcy complex. What is it if not genocide, and what is being done by our venal elite without any external enemy, we are destroying ourselves, the ingenious centuries-old plan of the Anglo-Saxons works and bears fruit.
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      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 April 17 2018 19: 30
        0
        Isn't it better to use the common name "Azerbaijani"?
  30. Antokha
    Antokha April 17 2018 19: 12
    0
    Well, the stupid initiative of officials, so what. Down and Out trouble started. But they took up this problem. There is no simple solution, because these people do not want to return. There they are paid more or promised to pay, and money and the opportunity to live in London (New York, Paris) are much more attractive than living at home, especially not in Moscow. Their patriotism will either fail to bring up, or it will wake up over time. Need time. 10 years according to my observations from the moment of arrival. By that time they will graduate from high school, get a job and work for several years, take a sip of all the joys of life there that they don’t know about now, and will get older, somewhere around 30+. Then they will begin to visit thoughts of an abandoned homeland. And someone will return gradually. Here they will find that their qualifications are mediocre in comparison with our guys, but experience will be extensive. I know the parents who push their children to the exit. Their desire is irrational, left from the 80s - 90s, they can not be convinced. Even if they pay more (and this is already the case in some areas), they want to go there. Let them go. While they are there, as has been said many times, these are not our people. In general, if we assume that the country owes you something for some reason, you will never be happy, either at home or in a foreign land.
    1. S-kerrigan
      S-kerrigan April 18 2018 06: 02
      0
      In general, if we assume that the country owes you something for some reason, you will never be happy, either at home or in a foreign land.

      If a country does not owe anything, such a country is not needed.
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood April 18 2018 07: 05
      0
      Quote: Anton
      sip all the joys of life there that they don’t know about now
      Give examples.
      Quote: Anton
      Then they will begin to visit thoughts of an abandoned homeland.
      Over 10 years, a person will just get comfortable and settle in a new place. The hardest thing is just the first time.
      Quote: Anton
      Here they will find that their qualifications are mediocre compared to our guys
      Why would she be mediocre? Do you really think that Russian, especially provincial, universities are better taught overseas? Now it’s not the USSR, the level of education in the country has fallen, take off your pink glasses.
      Quote: Anton
      and this is already true in some areas
      In what? Examples please in the studio.
      Quote: Anton
      While they are there, as has been said many times, these are not our people.
      What does "ours" mean? What do you mean by this term?
      Quote: Anton
      that for some reason the country owes you something
      And why is it needed then, a country that does not give you anything ?!
      1. Crane operator Nahamkinson
        Crane operator Nahamkinson April 18 2018 07: 13
        +1
        Antoha, do not argue with this ....
        For him, green, it’s better to spend his whole life in western garbage dumps.
        Cesspools of Japan, it is green, already
        checked up.
        Now the westerns are waiting for him.
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood April 18 2018 14: 24
          0
          Crane operator Nahamkinson, have you ever crawled out of your trash at least once in your life? Or write cleanly in a puddle to fart ?!
  31. Zomanus
    Zomanus April 18 2018 00: 09
    0
    To the Far East? Yes, there would be to keep their own, that would not run away.
    Because no matter how culture is here, not prospects, not earnings.
    Well, honestly, I’m poorly imagining a young man,
    who of his own will will come to these furs.
    Unless only obyazalovka plan to work out budget education.