There is no solution yet. Rogozin spoke about the possible suspension of the supply of RD-180 in the US

Russia will stop supplying US rocket engines if the country's leadership makes such a decision, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said.

But can we, say, take and stop? We can. The only question is that you need to weigh the pros and cons. We are ready to carry out any decision that the president will make, but for now, I say it again, and the president proceeds from the same thought: the cosmos must remain outside politics

- said Rogozin, answering the corresponding question of the journalist RBC

At the same time, he added that the money from the sale of Russian engines for US space rockets is being spent on developing new engines in Russia.

The engine that we supply the USA is NK-33. We made a decision: we supply these engines, which are not really the most modern ones. But the money that the industry gains from these supplies goes to the development of new engines. In fact, it is more profitable for us than for the United States.

- he said.

Earlier, Sergei Ryabukhin, chairman of the budget committee of the Federation Council, said that if the bill on Russia’s response to the anti-Russian policy of the United States is adopted, Moscow will stop supplying the RD-180 engines to the USA, RT reports

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[Alexander Romanov]

Russia will stop supplying US rocket engines if the country's leadership makes such a decision, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said.
Russia will stop delivering engines to the United States if Putin decides so. I declare.
What is the difference between these statements?

[Vitaly Anisimov]

I think it is necessary to supply, where should we put them RD? We already have new developments, but from the USA we’ll select a wool block! And everything is under control ..
Well let's sell the DPRK a couple .. !!!! Eun immediately in the direction of the United States will launch a disc hehe he let it catch!

[Andrey K]

Quote: MIKHAN

I think it is necessary to supply, where should we put them RD? We already have new developments, but from the USA we’ll select a wool block! And everything is under control ..

Vitaly, have you already decided - are you pushing for the realists or not?

[Rostov Papa]

Already discussed.
https://topwar.ru/127947-rd-raketnyh-potokah-lzhi
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[NEOZ]

Quote: Andrey K

Vitaly, you already decide

Mishgan is tired, he needs a break, he is there in the Urals with all his might ....

[donavi49]

Well, in general, the question is simple:
- there is nothing to load if you stop selling.
- continue to produce, there is nowhere to put engines.
- Damage to the US still needs to be seen. One thing is for sure - in SpaceX there will be an unprecedented party with champagne and elite girls with low social responsibility. For when the reserve of RDs - but the new Vulcan (from ULA - which now displays most of the federal load) and NewGlen (from Mask rival Mask - Bezos, who has the most dough in the world, as well as the more advanced and cost-effective rocket itself) is still running out will not be certified, all federal cargo will be withdrawn only on Mask missiles.

[Topotun]

What control is there? On these engines they bring their satellite constellation to mind. That is, we ourselves give a shovel to dig our grave. It is clear that a couple of weather satellites will not do. But these engines give them time to build their own. And bring them to mind. Maybe it’s still worthwhile to decide whether our “partners” have anything against Russia? Over the past 300 years, Russia has somehow no more friends. Except for her sun of course. Even Old Man twists, grows oysters ....

[den3080]

I suppose it will be like this:

1. Deputies are people's deputies (State Duma of the Russian Federation) so they scurry around - the bill on counter-sanctions. I hope that many do it sincerely, although all kinds of Zheleznyaki who have a lot of ties to the West for a long time are unlikely to be done without being crooked. And if the soul is crooked, then what kind of bill will it turn out?

2. Suppose this bill is adopted and it becomes law, that is, it will be approved by the Federation Council and signed by the President of the Russian Federation. Let the curve, but it happened.

3. In paragraphs 1,2 The first part of the Marleson ballet is completed. The State Duma, the Federation Council and the president showed patriotism and civil, so to speak, legal awareness. Translated from Russian into Russian - they washed their hands or "worked out."

4. The second part of the Marleson ballet: The law is not “direct”, as I understand it in sausage scraps. It gives rights to the government of the Russian Federation to take certain measures in accordance ... and so on.

5. In the economic bloc, the Government of the Russian Federation is sitting students, associates and colleagues of the Higher School of Economics (read Western agents of influence), in very high positions, and even less (in any case, the whole team).
HSE (Alma Mater) has already issued a recommendation - no counter-sanctions. Moreover, it seems to me that the Higher School of Economics has done this as part of fulfilling a state assignment or a separate urgent order of the government of the Russian Federation, that is, for budgetary (state) money - a special cynicism, so to speak, which some will call "aerobatics", but someone will say , insolent in the end, that a serious expert assessment was carried out - seven pots came off so far evaluated.

6. What will the government of the Russian Federation do? The answer is NOTHING. No counter sanctions. And also wash his hands.
These are the countersanctions ...
The circle is closed.

7. So then they will gather somewhere in the GDP with a slightly different composition (+ siloviki) and will decide “what to do?”, Because the people are still waiting for something. And it will turn out neither that, nor sho in absolutely manual mode. At the same time, without exception, all the participants in the process then nod in unison ... the president made a decision. Already started. Preventively so to speak.

[Andrey K]

If we exclude the possibility of a lack of political will to stop deliveries of the RD-180, then the explanation of this in the light of course would look quite logical:

... Donald Trump allegedly decided to postpone the introduction of another portion of anti-Russian sanctions ...

That is, they are waiting for clarity with the Merin sanctions, as I understand it.

[Artemy]

Quote: Andrey K

If we exclude the possibility of a lack of political will to stop deliveries of the RD-180, then the explanation of this in the light of course would look quite logical:

... Donald Trump allegedly decided to postpone the introduction of another portion of anti-Russian sanctions ...

That is, they are waiting for clarity with the Merin sanctions, as I understand it.

If Russia expects the adoption of new sanctions by the United States and hopes that they will not be adopted, then it’s a very bad thing to do with the country's leadership.

[askort154]

Alexander Romanov .....Russia will stop supplying engines to the United States if Putin decides so. I declare.
What is the difference between these statements?

The difference, the difference - one gives, the other teaser = Dima - Sanya!

[Cxnumx]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

What is the difference between these statements?

in nothing, because Putin is now the head of the country. but it seems to me that it is not worth refusing supplies. Americans will only create their own faster, and we will lose in money.

[Bar1]

what indecision is needed, pin_ dos have already come near the borders of Russia, military satellites are launching against Russia in spite of all the treaties, and these still doubt whether to take measures against the aggressor or not.
True, if they take measures, then they will have to be thrown out of the work of engineers and hard workers from the Khimki plant, but these are the costs of capitalism, all for 77 percent.

[Thunderbolt]

The dreams of many were broken off --- it’s more profitable to sell engines to us, “space outside politics” in general. It’s a pity, because this is perhaps the only sensitive area for Americans. Our remaining countersanctions look scanty and completely unconvincing.

[KERMET]

space must remain out of politics

Rather, they wanted to say:
"money must remain out of politics"

[Piramidon]

Quote: KERMET

Rather, they wanted to say:
"money must remain out of politics"

To paraphrase the famous advertising slogan: "Image is nothing, everything is money."

[donavi49]

Well, if RD is banned, then Musk will personally send a gift to Tesla Putin. Infa 146%. Since all contracts during the period when the reserve of the taxiways will end, and Vulcan / Glenn will not yet be certified for US federal orders - only Musk will withdraw everything and will

So he has at least nominal competition with ULA - which mainly sits on federal orders, and Musk is forced to collect a launch schedule from commercial satellites, occasionally knocking himself a federal order.

[Hole puncher]

Quote: donavi49

Well, if RD is banned, then Musk will personally send a gift to Tesla Putin.

He will hang his portrait in his office and will sing to him hos ...

[Galleon]

We have not only space, we have diesel fuel outside politics - 50% of diesel fuel on Urkain is Russian. Fight, dill ...

[den3080]

A good sanction, according to Zhirinovsky and other avengers, to ban the supply of drugs, right from one of the first phrases flew from the zhyrik.
Here on this, perhaps, you can round off. And HSE, along with Western curators, will be enough. And the population ... well, let them carry for themselves, whoever can.

[kalibr]

But Upper Volta with missiles can not do anything to them at all!

[Observer2014]

There is no solution yet. Rogozin spoke about the possible suspension of the supply of RD-180 in the US

In general, all these lamentations about our otvetku USA are more suitable for a test for our leadership. Typically, who are they for? Well, honestly. The behavior of all these 4 years is such that they understand him figs what they want and for whom they are. That's why they get these same sanctions. And so on. and so on. Weave steeper than any hare. That's why they give an occasion to test Russia in their face for strength. And from the Kremlin everyone pours the latest warnings. Even piracy in the Sea of ​​Azov would not be remembered. We would not have occasion to guess at the expense of LDNR and all of Ukraine. And there wasn’t wouldn’t. They would know in Kiev that they’ll get it right by the horns. And so guess here. And so consider everything.

[Kent0001]

I support. Himself has been silent for a week .... probably busy.

[Nix1986]

Because it’s just that it was bombarded by someone from above - we are a cool power and how will we show everyone like the USSR. Only the USSR at first became a cool power, and only then it was called it. And to compare the top of the USSR to Khrushchev and now it is like Einstein with a monkey.

[Masya masya]

Again extreme Putin! And answer him ... all by myself, all by myself ...

[Observer2014]

Masya masya Marina

Again extreme Putin! And answer him ... all by himself, all by himself ...

Yes. So it turns out. The whole system is built with us, so it turns out that Putin is to blame for everything and is responsible for everything. The rest are about the top. They are divided into their own and their own. .Although in places the same system will be stuck that everything is for the loot. Then in the fires a lot of people die Just touch their own, they want to destroy Russia. They can take their own truth. Truth can be taken for the trunk. Ulyukaev, etc. That's the whole Russian modern problem . And who is to blame? Did we come up with this system? No, that’s who invented it all. Here, let him answer for everything. And it’s been hammered into the head that a change of power through elections is a direct death for Russia. We hang our ears. Under the king that the monarchy is terrible and all the troubles are due to it. Under the Communists, that the trouble is troubles because of them. Under the Democrats of 90 x they are to blame for everything. Now that the election is like death and it is necessary to have the same thing keep the steering wheel. And whether or not to return the king to us at all In give. So I want to ask. Are you all normal? Maybe it’s time to stop. And bring the institution of presidency to its logical end. Maxim has two terms. With the working institutions of power, no matter who is at the helm. Although then I’m afraid the concept of godfather will have to be prohibited In general, everything is clear that nothing is clear. Although, of course, you can rush to the second round. Again, the king,. Then who are the Communists and so on. etc.

[Hole puncher]

Quote: Masya Masya

Again extreme Putin! And answer him ... all by myself, all by myself ...

So such is the dictatorial share ...

[Observer2014]

Hole puncher (Eugene)

So such is the dictatorial share ...

Yes. Moreover, he himself recently said the same thing. "From the throne to the scaffold, one step."

[Turgon]

They recruited duncees to the government on appeal. They cannot solve a single question without the Old Man of Putin, they have just drowned their astronautics and in recent years we can deal with the transport of foreign satellites, carry Americans to the ISS.

[Orionvit]

Quote: Turgon

We recruited boobies at the government

No, not by draft, but by announcement. At least the feeling is exactly that.

[pogon]

Well, it seems that this debate has come to its logical conclusion. While they are buying, they will be selling.

[alexhol]

What a shame that Russian states do not need gas and oil And so we uuuuh .... As the famous hero said there: "It's a shame for the state!"

[Simargl]

Of course, it’s better to sell raw materials!
Oh you! They work here, they sell junk that they riveted 40 years ago and have nowhere to go ...

[DEDPIHTO]

Oh cunning Rogozin with Putin! How can there be space outside politics, if military equipment is thrown there ??? Sport and thats politics. Vermicelli is blown into the ears of the electorate to justify its unwillingness to punish mattresses. Apparently not without reason ..

[Nix1986]

And workers from lost jobs, because there are no orders, will you arrange? Or feed their families? Just to blurt out ...

[Hole puncher]

Quote: Nix1986

And workers from lost jobs, because there are no orders, will you arrange? Or feed their families? Just to blurt out ...

Who ever paid attention to this? Like, we have never been allowed to form a city-forming enterprise in the wind.

[Nix1986]

Of the latter, the situation with Bu Anderson was unpleasant, which was what he was required to do, they wanted a car, and not a bucket of bolts — well, they got it, good can’t be cheap.

[DEDPIHTO]

Firstly, you will poke girlfriends on drunken revels.
Secondly, based on your logic, the government is simply obliged to abandon the fate of the workers and their families, having signed their helplessness and incompetence. Sorry, we kicked out striped buyers, and without mattresses the country doesn’t need space, because there is no money. And why there is no money in the treasury, this is a question of the fiftieth ..

[Nix1986]

Unfortunately revels with drunk girlfriends have not been around for 10 years Well, you are proposing to drop all contracts from the United States under counter-sanctions, and this is the loss of a large portfolio of contracts. We have not only space; banal health care is not necessary, so no one will be sweating about rocket engines.

[Hole puncher]

Quote: DEPHIHTO

the government is simply obliged to abandon the fate of workers and their families

it never bothered them

Quote: DEPHIHTO

by signing their helplessness and incompetence.

the authorities do not notice such a trifle
In the issue of money, only money is interested in power; workers are in last place

[Salomet]

Guys tell Putin the idea, salaries from the development of officials. You do not make decisions this month; you do not receive sn and all kinds of bonuses and benefits there. A year without decisions - to reduce the position.
So what to do ? Market!!!

[Orionvit]

Quote: Salomet

You don’t make decisions this month, you don’t get sn and all kinds of bonuses and benefits.

Decisions to decisions are different. Look in Ukraine every day they take something, one decision is “cooler” than the other, hair sometimes on end. And that helps a lot?

[rpuropuu]

Russia will stop supplying US rocket engines if the country's leadership makes such a decision, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said.

Let's not shoot ourselves in the foot It is foolish to lose foreign exchange earnings and jobs just to show how cool we are ... It’s better to give your enterprises and households a loan at 2% per annum instead of investing in US bonds

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: rpuropuu

... Better to start, give your enterprises and households a loan at 2% per annum, instead of investing in US bonds

You just said the following: it’s better to put all the money that you have set aside on a monthly fee and food for the next month, for example, on a deposit in Tinkoff.
Well, and who is here after that, I wonder?

[andrej-shironov]

Golovan, your analogy can’t be finally canceled. You confuse soft with round. Do not try to pull an owl on the globe.

[askort154]

DEDPIHTO .... Oh, they are cunning Rogozin with Putin! How can there be space outside politics, if military equipment is thrown there ??? [

[askort154]

DEDPICHTO ....Oh cunning Rogozin with Putin! How can there be space outside politics, if military equipment is thrown there ???

Yes, no guile. Sanctions are determined by the government, submitted to the Duma, then to the president for approval. The contract for the supply of R-180 was concluded for 2012 - 2019. The cost of 1 engine is 9 mld. The McCain Group has been trying to impose sanctions on this deal since 2014. The US Treasury does not agree.
The development of its similar engine is entrusted to 2 US campaigns. One has already been done (Merlin 1D), but its parameters are much worse than the P-180. They plan to launch another engine by 2022. Failure of the contract - add. fin. loss, and most importantly, the prestige of the state. Here are such pies.

[Hole puncher]

You think in Russian standards. The problem of deliveries of rocket engines concerns only the company ULA and no more.

[Nix1986]

I hope the mind is enough not to step on its tail, there are many reasons not to take such a step.

[Hole puncher]

Money, money, rubbish, having forgotten peace and laziness, make money! make money! The rest is all rubble!

[Figvam]

it is necessary to forbid mars and snikers
can still coca cola
not engines))

[rpuropuu]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Quote: rpuropuu

... Better to start, give your enterprises and households a loan at 2% per annum, instead of investing in US bonds

You just said the following: it’s better to put all the money that you have set aside on a monthly fee and food for the next month, for example, on a deposit in Tinkoff.
Well, and who is here after that, I wonder?

It is strange for you to invest in small business and production is the same as a deposit in Tinkoff
Therefore, by the way, everything is bad

[andrej-shironov]

Do not try to analyze Golovan. Often his thoughts contradict each other. It's like trying to analyze a Hollywood movie, there is an opportunity, but there is no point!

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: rpuropuu

It is strange for you to invest in small business and production is the same

For me, this is not "the same."
But you didn’t understand the analogy: how you keep your current money (for food and rent, see above) in cash (well, or on the card - no difference), so the state (almost any, exceptions are rare and atypical) holds its own " current money "not in the form of" investment in production "and not even in gold, but in the treasures, for example.
If the state transfers this money into "investment in production", it will not be able to pay off its current liabilities. In other words, he will have nothing to eat.
Like you, if you throw your current money, for example, on a deposit.
That's about as

[Placebo]

“In fact, it’s more profitable for us than the United States,” Rogozin said in a whisper, if they didn’t raise duties like metal ... After all, they promised to launch only peaceful weather satellites that do not have the latest detection, tracking and suppression systems. .. And we with this money are a leap forward ... innovation ... competition ... in general, we will all be happy ...

[Galleon]

Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin compared the “shot in the foot” with the cessation of rocket engine supplies to the United States.
The fact that now all the money from the sale of Russian engines for US space rockets can go to the development of new engines in the Russian Federation, said Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin.
“But the money that the industry helps out of these supplies goes to developing the latest engines. In fact, it’s more profitable for us than the United States, ”Rogozin said.
He also stressed that the price of engines is about $ 10 million.
“Cosmos must remain outside politics,” Rogozin also emphasized.
He added that at the first request of the president of Russia, the supply of engines to the United States will be stopped. However, right now there were no such decrees.

This is from another resource. Why is there such a difference in the presentation of the news? After all, in reality, he is not neutral, but against the cessation of supplies.

[Orionvit]

space must remain out of politics

That's just the Americans launch on Russian engines, mostly military satellites.

[Sands Careers General]

Put on a barrel of gunpowder - let them fly)))

[pogon]

Quote: Galleon

Dmitry Rogozin compared with the "shot in the foot" the cessation of supply of rocket engines

But what about the trampoline?

[japs]

The trampoline is developed by the department of red Nanolis. LLC Rogozin and son, only regulates financial flows from "shooting at the legs" and spaceports.

[AID.S]

Quote: pogon

But what about the trampoline?

And he will slip a trampoline instead of the last engine.

[Vard]

These deliveries are kept afloat by the plant ... of course it is insulting .... however, we’ll destroy everything that’s in the future ...

[Oberst_71]

about how they started singing.

[shura7782]

Rogozin spoke about a possible suspension of supplies of RD-180 in the United States
Wise guys. Found something to trump. Rogozin will get to the point that the Americans themselves will abandon them.

[JonnyT]

he said as he pulled into a puddle.

there is nothing for us to answer the USA.
It sounds like "Rogozin announced the cut of the plant for chermet as part of a response to US sanctions"
In order to “respond” to sanctions, you must work tirelessly, plant thieves, pests, saboteurs.
The problem is that our leadership does not want to work at all, and the worst thing is that it does not let others do it.
Then they stopped deliveries of engines to the USA, what next?
How will they load the plant? Can Russian private space companies develop ??? No, it’s necessary to work, invest huge amounts of money, create conditions for development. They can only cheat cheeks importantly, flashing menacingly eyes and cowing their sleek fists at the camera so that the population fooled

[MIG00001]

You just need to increase the price 25-100 times

[andrej-shironov]

Well yes! After all, we only deliver engines to the west. We do not supply mineral water, there is no money for the development of new ones! Lord, verbiage alone in power! Everyone is weighed. Well, this is understandable if our elite is no longer ours.

[23424636]

Dima, hammer on these coves. You are the best. If you don’t kill or poison. You’ll go instead of Dimon .. You’re your Russian grandfather, a white general from the south. On whom do we look up to the rabbis.?! Only on your bright head. Do not trifle, brave-let's jump.

[grandfather_Kostya]

The United States has enough willpower and other strengths to prohibit the use by a foreign buyer of its products (even components), but do we care?

[Ross xnumx]

Such a deceitful deputy prime minister can only be compared with the near-minded prime minister. One also can’t wait for a breakthrough in the economy. Either his sanctions are evil, then his oil is cheap, then his cost overruns at the facilities, then the governors stole. Endless chatter and fooling people. Rogozin! Have you come in large numbers from Moscow? What are you weaving here? You will not supply RD-180, you will supply RD-181 ... If these run out, you will begin to supply trampolines. Yes, you yourself are accomplices of the destruction of the country's economy by supporting sanctions, by directly participating in them.
Naturally, the US economy simply will not notice $ 10-12 billion that will suddenly disappear. A country whose debt is measured in trillions will not even frown. You (the government) do not frown when you allocate money for raising pensions for which you can curry 100 boxes of matches or 10 loaves of bread. Here the Ural worker claims that “We already have new developments, but from the USA we’ll at least get a bunch of wool!” I don’t believe him, because what falls and falls apart on takeoff cannot be called new. As for the shred of wool ... Try to tear from the USA, in Russia there is nothing to tear from the people ...

[Old26]

Quote: MIKHAN

We already have new developments

Which are not used anywhere .... Yeah ....

Quote: MIKHAN

Well let's sell the DPRK a couple .. !!!! Eun immediately in the direction of the United States will launch a disc hehe he let it catch!

Well, Eun isn’t such a fool to do what you propose. He knows that cryogenic engines are not suitable for this. And all wet dreams prevail over you

Quote: Simargl

They work here, they sell junk that they riveted 40 years ago and have nowhere to go ...

YES forget you are about this junk. Rogozin is cunning. Since 2014, the United States has not used this engine, or rather its modification of the AJ-26. We sold them a dozen and a half of these engines, the fuel valves of which were modernized by Ukraine. As a result, at the 5th start, at 68 seconds, the engine failed. On this use of this engine was completed

Quote: grandfather_Kostya

The United States has enough willpower and other strengths to prohibit the use by a foreign buyer of its products (even components), but do we care?

This is in the contract for the supply of RD-181 engines for Antares. There is no such situation on the RD-180, and in principle it cannot be, since all the rights to the engine, including patents, belong not to us, but to them. It's just that production is localized in Russia ..

Quote: shura7782

Rogozin spoke about a possible suspension of supplies of RD-180 in the United States
Wise guys. Found something to trump. Rogozin will get to the point that the Americans themselves will abandon them.

And while they are okromya already delivered and ordered 110 engines so far do not plan anything. Perhaps (only possible) will purchase a few more engines in 2020 for insurance. 83 launches of Atlases with these engines already happened. 27 left.
AR-1 and BE-4 are planned to be used since 2020. And then nobody will need the RD-180.

Quote: MIG00001

You just need to increase the price 25-100 times

So who will increase the price of already paid and ordered engines?

[kalibr]

Quote: Observer2014

There’s a lot of things that we’ve been hammered into in Russia in periods of time. We hang our ears and ears. Under the tsar, that the monarchy is terrible and all the troubles are because of it. Under the Communists, that weight is the trouble because of them. Under the 90 Democrats, they are to blame for everything. Now that the elections it’s similar to death, and it’s necessary to keep the same thing at the helm. And don’t they give us King Vaughn back. Maybe it’s time to stop. And bring the institution of presidency to its logical end. Maxim has two terms. Whoever is at the helm, with the working institutions of power, although I’m afraid then the concept of godfather will need to be banned In general, everything is clear that nothing is clear. circle. Again the king,. then who are the Communists and so on. etc.
Reply Quote Complaint Observer2014

That's right!