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In the reserve, too, can be promoted to colonel

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The reserve soldier was able, remaining "civilian", to rise to the colonel, according to News.


In the reserve, too, can be promoted to colonel


The order “On the procedure for certification for assigning military ranks to citizens in the reserve of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation” is already in force in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. According to the military, “the document consolidated and streamlined the requirements for reserve officers claiming to receive the next military rank.”

The commissions will be created at republican, regional and regional military enlistment offices. It is reported that "each commission will include four staff members of the relevant commissariat and one representative of state authorities."

All reserve officers will be divided into two categories - assigned to a military unit and consisting on a general account in the military. “The first will be automatically added to the list of candidates for promotion. In the event of a declaration of mobilization, these officers must appear in a certain military unit, where they are already assigned a position. "Reserve", standing on the general account in the military, will also be able to get another title. But for this, he needs to write a corresponding application, which will be considered at the end of the officer’s tenure in the current military rank, ”the material says.

The appearance of a civil servant in the certification commissions should reduce cases of abuse of official position to a minimum. And if the commission refuses to confer the next rank, the officer will be able to appeal this decision in court,
said the founder of the Russian lawyers association of law enforcement agencies "Guard" Oleg Zherdev.

The newspaper adds that the procedure of assigning the next rank is much more complicated from the captain and above: the candidate will have to undergo training and retraining, and according to their results it will be necessary to pass tests.
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  1. cariperpaint
    cariperpaint April 17 2018 12: 31
    +3
    So hello...
    1. Andrey K
      Andrey K April 17 2018 12: 33
      +14
      Quote: cariperpaint
      ...So hello...

      You don’t have to go far, one of these “colonels” looms every day in the box — reserve colonel Zhirinovsky, Vladimir Volfovich laughing
      1. weksha50
        weksha50 April 17 2018 12: 52
        +7
        Quote: Andrey K
        one of such "colonels" looms every day in the box - reserve colonel Zhirinovsky, Vladimir Volfovich



        +++ Rosenbaum ...
        Yes, and Rutskoi became a general, being in the reserve and the post of vice president of the Russian Federation ... Although a military colonel, but still ... somehow not comme il faut ...

        In general, they simply legitimized backroom assignments of military ranks, as did the "tribal" nobility ... lol
    2. Serge Gorely
      Serge Gorely April 17 2018 12: 34
      +8
      All the bureaucrats in the region will become half-colonies (precisely, not colonels!).
      1. Proxima
        Proxima April 17 2018 12: 48
        +2
        Quote: Serge Gorely
        All the bureaucrats in the region will become half-colonies (precisely, not colonels!).

        This is normal practice. Even in the Petrovsky table of ranks there is a military rank and the corresponding civil rank. If this is not the case, then be kind enough for a period of mobilization to any designer, real production worker, gunsmith or engineer to give not a lieutenant rank, but a rank corresponding to his civil career.
        Here you go - N.K. Baibakov - the Stalinist People’s Commissar, the world famous oilman and economist. Didn’t he deserve colonel epaulettes?
        1. Flyer_64
          Flyer_64 April 17 2018 13: 22
          +11
          Quote: Proxima
          Here you go - N.K. Baibakov - the Stalinist People’s Commissar, the world famous oilman and economist. Didn’t he deserve colonel epaulettes?

          And why immediately the colonel? For such a difference, there are the titles of Honored Oilman and others. You don’t have to get half a conic yet. Bullshit, and bullshit again. In the army, not everyone can get a major now, because there are not enough posts for everyone. People for two, three terms perekhazhaet. And our MO for the type of storage simplify the rank system to receive. I especially like introducing civil from the state administration, such as excluding the corruption component. So this is a direct message for deputies and the state. officials of their relatives licking ass buttocks
          1. Proxima
            Proxima April 17 2018 14: 32
            +4
            Quote: Letun_64
            Quote: Proxima
            Here you go - N.K. Baibakov - the Stalinist People’s Commissar, the world famous oilman and economist. Didn’t he deserve colonel epaulettes?

            Delirium, and again delirium.

            That you tapped the clave is complete nonsense. I will give you an episode from Baibakov’s life.
            On one of the hottest July days of 1942, Deputy People's Commissar of the Oil Industry Nikolai Baibakov was summoned to the Kremlin. Stalin unhurriedly shook his hand, calmly looked into his eyes, and spoke in a quiet, quite mundane voice:

            - Comrade Baibakov, Hitler is eager for the Caucasus. He announced that if he did not capture the oil of the Caucasus, he would lose the war. Everything must be done so that not a single drop of oil goes to the Germans.

            And, making his voice a little tougher, he added:

            - Keep in mindif you leave the Germans at least one ton of oil, we will shoot you. But if you destroy the crafts prematurely, but the German will never capture them and we will be left without fuel, we will also shoot you.

            Baibakov was silent. Picking up his spirit, he quietly said:

            “But you leave me no choice, Comrade Stalin.”

            Stalin stopped near him, slowly raised his hand and tapped his temple lightly:

            - There is a choice, comrade Baibakov ... Think!
            Baibakov did then a titanic work! What do you think, where would the military send him if he had lieutenant epaulets?
            1. reservist
              reservist April 17 2018 18: 08
              +1
              and in the USA then the situation was "mirror" ...
              Colonel Leslie Groves, having already stooped ****** with civilian contractors during the construction of the Pentagon, when he was appointed to the post of military leader of the Manhattan project, he demanded the rank of brigadier general, just colonels, unlike generals, were not taken seriously
            2. Flyer_64
              Flyer_64 April 17 2018 20: 33
              +2
              Quote: Proxima
              What do you think, where would the military send him if he had lieutenant epaulettes?

              Having the certificate of the Deputy People’s Commissar of the oil industry, epaulets are not needed. One ksiva of two colonels costs.
              And it's not Baibakov at all. The fact is that now the military rank in the reserve will receive without going through training and retraining. Each level of a military rank implies a corresponding position. Now, tell me what position such a colonel would expect when mobilizing?
              1. not main
                not main April 17 2018 21: 10
                0
                Quote: Letun_64
                Quote: Proxima
                What do you think, where would the military send him if he had lieutenant epaulettes?

                Having the certificate of the Deputy People’s Commissar of the oil industry, epaulets are not needed. One ksiva of two colonels costs.
                And it's not Baibakov at all. The fact is that now the military rank in the reserve will receive without going through training and retraining. Each level of a military rank implies a corresponding position. Now, tell me what position such a colonel would expect when mobilizing?

                Only Nachproda! By the way, my VUS in the local military registration and enlistment office did not go, and they attributed me to the MTO battalion!
                1. Flyer_64
                  Flyer_64 April 17 2018 21: 16
                  0
                  Quote: non-primary
                  Only Nachprod

                  You don’t know the allowance standards in nachprodas and you don’t know the markings of dry packs.)))) MTO battalions have full personnel battles.
                  1. not main
                    not main April 17 2018 21: 43
                    0
                    Quote: Letun_64
                    Quote: non-primary
                    Only Nachprod

                    You don’t know the allowance standards in nachprodas and you don’t know the markings of dry packs.)))) MTO battalions have full personnel battles.

                    You're right! I looked at the Military ID and it turns out that the ZKB is on the rear. Although my VUS is 061601.
              2. Tda tar
                Tda tar April 17 2018 21: 44
                0
                This is not the case at all. The “thing” is that in active service a vacancy of the corresponding position is required, but not in stock. The only question is: who will appoint the pets. I won’t be surprised that soon all general’s mistresses will become "real colonels" ...
          2. dedusik
            dedusik April 17 2018 19: 37
            0
            So it’s not immediately a colonel, there are terms for conferring a rank, and then see the end of the text. In the 70s, I, too, with ml.
        2. weksha50
          weksha50 April 17 2018 15: 35
          +3
          Quote: Proxima
          Here you go - N.K. Baibakov - the Stalinist People’s Commissar, the world famous oilman and economist. Didn’t he deserve colonel epaulettes?


          The table of ranks introduced by Peter was a sensible and timely thing ... It would not hurt to modernize it ... And we are not talking about the fact that almost all the designers (especially weapons) had not only colonel, but also general ranks ...
          We are talking about the fact that in Russia - as always - this IT, the proposed innovation, will simply be an excuse for bargaining and nepotism ... As nobles - they were given from birth, attributed to some regiment, and - look - at 17-18 - he is already a cornet or a lieutenant ...
          Indeed, in all honesty, which of the “jackets” (who needs it - did they understand who they were talking about) is a colonel?
          Or from a lieutenant after a military department, and even after 10-15-20 years in civilian life?
          Appoint such a colonel to a regiment (and in combat conditions to a division), so he will kill everyone and harm his neighbors ...
          1. Proxima
            Proxima April 17 2018 15: 49
            +1
            Quote: weksha50
            . We are talking about the fact that in Russia - as always - this IT, the proposed innovation, will simply be an excuse for bargaining and nepotism ... As nobles - they were given from birth, attributed to some regiment, and - look - at 17-18 - he is already a cornet or a lieutenant ...
            Indeed, in all honesty, which of the “jackets” (who needs it - did they understand who they were talking about) is a colonel?
            Or from a lieutenant after a military department, and even after 10-15-20 years in civilian life?
            Appoint such a colonel to a regiment (and in combat conditions to a division), so he will kill everyone and harm his neighbors ...

            Who would argue with you, dear. Any sensible innovation, even at first glance, can be turned into an absurdity hi
            1. Flyer_64
              Flyer_64 April 17 2018 20: 44
              +2
              Quote: Proxima
              even at first glance, an intelligent innovation can be turned into an absurdity

              That's just this innovation turns the state of things into absurdity.
    3. Borik
      Borik April 17 2018 12: 36
      +1
      Yes, so every second can become a colonel.
      Precisely there is a preparation for war.
      1. AUL
        AUL April 17 2018 13: 36
        +3
        The meaning of this action is incomprehensible! Ranks are given not for "sand", but for experience, for knowledge. If a person resigned as a captain, why put him in a colonel post after N years? He even forgot his captain duties long ago!
        The appearance of a civil servant on the appraisal commissions should minimize abuse of power.
        And this is generally no way! Found a way to combat abuse. Yes, an official for a bribe to whom he likes at least assigns a marshal!
  2. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov April 17 2018 12: 31
    +6
    With the titles you need to do something on our site too .. hehe
    Damn generals damn and mohra no fight! soldier
    1. StVahmistr
      StVahmistr April 17 2018 13: 35
      +2
      Generals damn divorced

      Ah ha! Meehan! I have one little star, and you have three! Give me one, you have one. laughing
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon April 17 2018 13: 54
        +1
        Quote: StWahmister
        Give me one, you have one.

        You hope that the pension will be increased? laughing
      2. AID.S
        AID.S April 17 2018 17: 48
        +1
        Quote: StWahmister
        I have one little star, and you have three! Give me one, you have one.

        What title will be: one star is big, the other is small? Laneral? Gentenant?
  3. NIKNN
    NIKNN April 17 2018 12: 32
    +4
    Can I enter the academy?
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 April 17 2018 17: 16
      +5
      If you confirm the ability to skillfully command the battalion, then the welk, how warm! The order of receipt, it seems, did not change? laughing drinks
      1. NIKNN
        NIKNN April 17 2018 17: 22
        +2
        Quote: Doliva63
        If you confirm the ability to skillfully command the battalion, then the welk, how warm! The order of receipt, it seems, did not change? laughing drinks

        Regarding me, this is a squadron ... laughing drinks
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 April 17 2018 18: 55
          +5
          Squizzie, forgot to add - and equated to them. But this is my free exposition drinks
          1. NIKNN
            NIKNN April 17 2018 18: 57
            +2
            Quote: Doliva63
            Squizzie, forgot to add - and equated to them. But this is my free exposition drinks

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            1. Doliva63
              Doliva63 April 17 2018 20: 01
              +5
              Oh, Air Force, my youth drinks Urgent in IBA. The reception of airplanes on the ice of the Arctic Ocean, the photocontrol of bombing on ice in either Murmansk, or Arkhangelsk, I confuse for prescription. 3 shift flights all summer. Laying the brakes - in the summer, we put the presses on the runway, put 120 per shift. Laying PSU (and also found PSS). NAZ, sports domes. PSS exercises as part of the PDG. Life was in full swing! laughing drinks
              1. NIKNN
                NIKNN April 17 2018 20: 06
                +2
                Quote: Doliva63
                Reception of aircraft on the ice of the Arctic Ocean,

                Eco skidded ... smile Well, I also graduated from the IBA profile, Oh Air Force my whole life ... drinks Everything described is familiar to cramps smile Alas, you will not return, sadness ...., however, there is something to be proud of good wink drinks
                1. Doliva63
                  Doliva63 April 17 2018 20: 16
                  +5
                  And what is it "skidded"? They flew from Severomorsk to pack ice. Like, working off landing after flew to the task, but nowhere to return. 67 APIB, Siverskaya, 81-83.
                  For IBA! drinks
                  And how beautifully, in complete silence, the plane performs "Ts mode", as we have said! It’s not for nothing that the Air Force celebrates a week - there is a reason! laughing drinks
                  When the thread all comes back.
                  1. NIKNN
                    NIKNN April 17 2018 20: 19
                    +2
                    Quote: Doliva63
                    For IBA! drinks

                    For IBA! drinks
                    1. Doliva63
                      Doliva63 April 17 2018 20: 33
                      +6
                      Off-top, but I can not resist. Once upon a time, celebrating Aviation Day, I told my wife that I most respect helicopters and ibashnikov in aviation. I understood about helicopter pilots, and from the second she was in a light shock - I never swear laughing
                      1. NIKNN
                        NIKNN April 17 2018 20: 46
                        +2
                        Quote: Doliva63
                        Off-top, but I can not resist. Once upon a time, celebrating Aviation Day, I told my wife that I most respect helicopters and ibashnikov in aviation. I understood about helicopter pilots, and from the second she was in a light shock - I never swear laughing

                        laughing laughing laughing
                    2. Svarog51
                      Svarog51 April 17 2018 23: 52
                      +2
                      For IBA!

                      105 ADIB g, Grossenhain 83-85gg. Air Force GSVG
                      good drinks
                      1. NIKNN
                        NIKNN April 18 2018 10: 27
                        +1
                        Quote: Svarog51
                        105 ADIB g, Grossenhain 83-85gg. Air Force GSVG

                        drinks
                    3. Svarog51
                      Svarog51 April 18 2018 10: 42
                      +3
                      Now I'm driving. Only in the evening. drinks
                      1. NIKNN
                        NIKNN April 18 2018 10: 54
                        +2
                        Quote: Svarog51
                        Now I'm driving. Only in the evening. drinks

                        laughing And today I can. tongue laughing drinks
                    4. Svarog51
                      Svarog51 April 18 2018 11: 00
                      +3
                      And today I can.
                      good
                      Press to the full, I will support in the evening. drinks
                      1. NIKNN
                        NIKNN April 18 2018 11: 06
                        +2
                        Quote: Svarog51
                        And today I can.
                        good
                        Press to the full, I will support in the evening. drinks

                        laughing Full health is not enough, but the maximum possible squeeze. wink
                    5. Svarog51
                      Svarog51 April 18 2018 11: 15
                      +3
                      Full health is not enough, but the maximum possible squeeze.

                      "We will drink a robe, we will drink two, for our glorious deeds,
                      But so that tomorrow does not hurt the head! "(C)
                      1. NIKNN
                        NIKNN April 18 2018 11: 21
                        +2
                        Quote: Svarog51
                        "We will drink a robe, we will drink two, for our glorious deeds,
                        But so that tomorrow does not hurt the head! "(C)

                        good
                  2. Doliva63
                    Doliva63 April 17 2018 20: 49
                    +5
                    I’ll add for understanding - only 1 AE flew onto the ice, which was “carriers”.
                  3. Flyer_64
                    Flyer_64 April 17 2018 20: 51
                    +1
                    Quote: Doliva63
                    They flew from Severomorsk to pack ice.

                    You can find out in which direction they flew on pack ice wink
                    1. Doliva63
                      Doliva63 April 18 2018 18: 00
                      +4
                      Quote: Letun_64
                      Quote: Doliva63
                      They flew from Severomorsk to pack ice.

                      You can find out in which direction they flew on pack ice wink

                      It was in the 82nd, sclerosis is not the same. But there is page 67 at the Air Base at the Air Base, there are pilots of those years, you can check with them.
                      1. Flyer_64
                        Flyer_64 April 18 2018 18: 14
                        +2
                        I just served in the New Earth, one of the tasks was ice reconnaissance. Pack ice in the Barents Sea began closer to latitude 80 and towards the Franz Josef Land archipelago. From Kola to Spitz there were ice fields, but neither pack nor solid. The nearest ice airfields were and are located at the ZFI.
      2. Tda tar
        Tda tar April 17 2018 21: 48
        +1
        And what's in the "order" about the "admission" to the academy of officers without a post (that is, in reserve)? Curious with ...
    2. Flyer_64
      Flyer_64 April 17 2018 20: 47
      +2
      Quote: NIKNN
      Can I enter the academy?

      The principle remains the same; those who need it, and not who needs it, act. wink
  4. alstr
    alstr April 17 2018 12: 35
    +5
    Hmm. In my next idiocy.
    If I remember correctly, then in the USSR it was possible to go up to a jacket no higher than a major. Which is basically sound, because the title above already requires specific knowledge.
    In addition, (again, if I remember correctly), each subsequent title was given only after the training / retraining.
    And what is the use of automatically awarding the rank if the storekeepers are often unable to really command and conditionally platoon.
    1. sergo1914
      sergo1914 April 17 2018 12: 41
      +1
      Quote: alstr
      Hmm. In my next idiocy.
      If I remember correctly, then in the USSR it was possible to go up to a jacket no higher than a major. Which is basically sound, because the title above already requires specific knowledge.
      In addition, (again, if I remember correctly), each subsequent title was given only after the training / retraining.
      And what is the use of automatically awarding the rank if the storekeepers are often unable to really command and conditionally platoon.


      Why do we need a platoon? We will be generalissimo. Drive space armada into battle. And let the personnel command platoons. They were taught this.
    2. NKT
      NKT April 17 2018 12: 58
      +2
      In the First Chechen one, such jackets were thrown at the military academy and even at the company.
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 April 17 2018 17: 24
        +6
        Quote: NKT
        In the First Chechen one, such jackets were thrown at the military academy and even at the company.

        In that war, a friend of mine in the MCP on the BMP was platooned: an airplane technician (Su-17, like) from the reserve and 2 jackets that they could not disassemble / assemble. Why the heck are such commanders?
        1. Flyer_64
          Flyer_64 April 17 2018 20: 56
          +1
          Quote: Doliva63
          aircraft technician (Su-17, sort of) from stock

          It was full of such in the first and second, but it is not necessary to smear all with one. There were also those who grew up before the battalion commanders, but mostly from platoon troops they left for PANs, and this is not sugar.
    3. Glory1974
      Glory1974 April 17 2018 13: 35
      +1
      In addition, (again, if I remember correctly), each subsequent title was given only after the training / retraining.

      And now such a system has been introduced. Only after retraining and passing tests.
    4. StVahmistr
      StVahmistr April 17 2018 13: 38
      +2
      And what is the use of automatically awarding the rank if the storekeepers are often unable to really command and conditionally platoon.

      Of course, I can’t command a conditional platoon, as it’s shallow .... But the regiment is easy, give me the current proportional elder. lol
    5. Sands Careers General
      Sands Careers General April 17 2018 14: 13
      +4
      Not higher than the captain. And then, regularly visiting the training camp. From major and above - only in active service.
    6. grad2308
      grad2308 April 17 2018 15: 13
      +7
      The jacket "is higher than the major ..... not the correct gradation. You know, in 1998-1999 the percentage of personnel and two-year-olds in combat divisions was - for one full-time 15 two-year-olds ..... They did not remain in the army, were not accustomed I’ve been to the hardships of military service after 5 years of the barracks. I apologize for the banter, but it was just that. And in Chechnya in 1999 the same two-year-olds left ... ... so I don’t need about the “white bone, etc. I have 10 months - enough was enough ... Fulfilled duties: both for the commander of VUNA, and for the chief of artillery reconnaissance of the regiment and 1 assistant chief of artillery of the regiment, ran and the art corrector - ate all the good and not good .... I didn’t get above the “starling” ... ("old" by life). Personnel were "kissed" almost in their current place, rose from the "old" to lieutenant colonel. Who needs ordinary work, and who needs stars ... .. So you don’t need an empty bell .... How many the two-year-old guys remained there ....... (and the level of training a year and a half before the war the guys pulled up and were much better than those ... who ran h army for non-compliance with the conditions of service under the contract).
      It is necessary to defend the homeland NOT LOOKING FOR ANYTHING, but how it will be appreciated by the Homeland is already secondary.
      1. alstr
        alstr April 17 2018 15: 44
        0
        By jacket I mean a reserve officer who, except at training camps (at best), was not in the troops.
        1. Sands Careers General
          Sands Careers General April 17 2018 15: 56
          +2
          Well, for example, I have a “jacket” of origin, but in the war I ate everyone.
          But I am not ashamed that I started with a military uniform. Some did not have a military education at all, but proved to be the best.
          1. Tda tar
            Tda tar April 17 2018 21: 56
            0
            As it were, not independently and alone, after all, they "studied war"? The soldiers were probably subordinate? The price for your "fed up" is not too big? Who paid for the "mistakes" with blood? Or were there no "mistakes"?
            1. Svarog51
              Svarog51 April 18 2018 00: 09
              +1
              The sergeant, before asking the law-making questions, would have been nice to introduce himself.
              Let me remind you the tradition of military greetings dating back to the times of chivalry. George and ran over the fields and sat in the trenches. He is no longer a “jacket”, with a “Makar” which has not parted for a year. And he doesn’t hide behind a nickname - he has every right to say so. AND YOU?
              1. Tda tar
                Tda tar April 18 2018 09: 54
                0
                I’m not a “sergeant” for you! And you are not a marshal-general, but just a commentator. And here it’s not a drill look at the parade ground, so that I “produce a report” in front of you? Or would you like to meet in person? Why's that? "Thin strings of the soul touched, or what?" Write then in PM.
                As for the "provocative questions": I repeat once again - NOTHING allows ANYONE to "learn the war" in the war itself, and not in training schools! And the sending of “jackets” to really warring troops is acceptable only after all personnel military are mobilized. Not earlier. War is not a place to study. For there the price of such a “study” is the real lives of people. Regardless of how well the "Zhory" and other uneducated "pre-war" citizens learn there on someone else's bones, no matter how beautiful and talented people they are.
                I have the honor.
                1. Svarog51
                  Svarog51 April 18 2018 10: 29
                  +2
                  I’m not a “sergeant” for you!
                  Yes indeed. Not a name or title.
                  As for Zhora, the “Sandy Quarry General”, this is how there are not enough staff officers in Lugansk and he had to stand up to defend his own house. He had no time to go to school to study. And those soldiers who are next to him are the same as himself - they know what they are going to. If you are in the know, there is a fourth year war going on.
                  1. Tda tar
                    Tda tar April 18 2018 11: 10
                    0
                    When people join the army out of necessity - due to the lack of trained, trained officers - this is a personal feat and a necessity. Though in Syria, even in Lugansk.
                    But when instead of staff officers (and not only officers), if they are available, people who are not trained in war are sent to the war (at least “volunteers”, even “jackets”) - this is a whim of officials and a crime. Though in Russia, even in Ukraine.
                    Something like this.
                    But Zhora actually quite abstractly wrote about “jackets in the war” in response to the same abstract post. Do not confuse the position of personnel troops and their opponents in a civil war. It is completely different.
                    1. Svarog51
                      Svarog51 April 18 2018 11: 50
                      +2
                      And war never goes according to the canons of military science. And personnel in the case of a database is always not enough. What does it have to do with
                      official whim
                      if people go voluntarily or on call? APU is like a cadre, and there are enough of their "jackets" and "volunteers". There is far from everything so simple and the "militia" was, is and will be. Well, if they are commanded by personnel, but in any case they will not be enough. This is where the "team hunger" arises. The question in the article was raised correctly, only will certain military knowledge and skills be obtained by job seekers? Obtaining ranks without this will be a whim and a crime. IMHO.
                2. Sands Careers General
                  Sands Careers General April 18 2018 13: 11
                  +1
                  Tda Tar, you're wrong. Actually, I don’t even want to comment on your words, although I can say a lot of things, but you are completely unaware of the topic of the conversation, the situation with us, etc. etc.

                  Therefore, I do not see the point.
  5. Altona
    Altona April 17 2018 12: 35
    +7
    Quote: MIKHAN
    With the titles you need to do something on our site too .. hehe
    Damn generals damn and mohra no fight!

    ---------------------------------
    Is it about yourself chtoli, Vitaly? You are again a three-star general. And before that, how many times did he marshal. Just right the new title is enter-MIHAN site. laughing
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 April 17 2018 15: 53
      +3
      Quote: Altona
      Fit for a new title to enter-MIKHAN site

      MIKHANISSIMUS. fellow
      1. Svarog51
        Svarog51 April 18 2018 00: 12
        +2
        Sanya, my respect. hi MIKHAN and so occupies an honorable position - TALISMAN site. wink
        TalisMarshal good drinks
  6. Observer2014
    Observer2014 April 17 2018 12: 38
    +5
    In the reserve, too, can be promoted to colonel
    laughing good drinks Well, with the "members of the Academy of Sciences" sort of sorted out! laughing Little. Now Colonels will be like dirt laughing Well artists.
    It is necessary to offer the Ministry of Defense of Russia the titles from the website wassat In the room will be drinks
    1. Flyer_64
      Flyer_64 April 17 2018 21: 02
      +2
      they distribute colonels to the People’s Artist of Moscow Region;
  7. AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 April 17 2018 12: 38
    +3
    Our deputies from the State Duma have long been growing in military ranks. There have even been attempts to become generals.
    1. Flyer_64
      Flyer_64 April 17 2018 21: 04
      0
      Not only in the ranks. They receive state rewards during their time in the State Duma. And the guys in Syria have been waiting for years.
  8. Apollo
    Apollo April 17 2018 12: 42
    0
    Well what can I say, what a pop, such a parish. Putin himself is a colonel from the same environment. Ever since the Soviet era, officers called up for the actual from the reserve, i.e. not finished military schools, bore the nickname "jackets". It was an exemplary army category of slabs, little capable of anything in military affairs.
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim April 17 2018 12: 58
      +6
      Quote: Apollo
      Putin himself is a colonel from the same environment.

      In fact, Putin left the KGB with the rank of lieutenant colonel, and Yeltsin had already assigned the colonel to him when he was appointed director of the FSB, Yeltsin wanted to assign him the rank of major general, but Putin refused, and I think he did it right, that's the story yes
      1. StVahmistr
        StVahmistr April 17 2018 13: 42
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        but Putin refused, and I think he did the right thing, that's the story

        And he did it right. The colonel's epaulette somehow looks solid. A general’s .... one star and a naked shoulder strap .... Pff ... negative
    2. Samaritan
      Samaritan April 17 2018 12: 59
      0
      Yes, this is just a bad example, unlike Shoigu ... Putin, being a colonel, was the head of the FSB and did not assign himself a generalisimus, but he could without problems ...
      Shoigu from lieutenants to major general this is growth being a civil engineer ...
      With all due respect to both! soldier
    3. kirgiz58
      kirgiz58 April 17 2018 13: 05
      +4
      Quote: Apollo
      It was an exemplary army category of slabs, little capable of anything in military affairs.

      And here I am of the opposite opinion. “Two-year-olds” came to the tank battalion where I started the service (before that there were 4 lieutenants of the personnel for the entire regiment, one picked up severe jaundice, one on training vehicles and two guard dogs — one dog I smile ) They really did not let the two of us bend in the guardhouse. Of course, knowledge in technology is not enough, but they knew how to command, and if they had the desire to continue serving, the army would only gain. Although in the infantry kurats were still those individuals. But they did not lick dishes smile
    4. E_V_N
      E_V_N April 17 2018 14: 09
      +2
      Quote: Apollo
      Well what can I say, what a pop, such a parish. Putin himself is a colonel from the same environment. Ever since the Soviet era, officers called up for the actual from the reserve, i.e. not finished military schools, bore the nickname "jackets". It was an exemplary army category of slabs, little capable of anything in military affairs.

      Firstly, Putin is not an army colonel but a KGB officer; he has nothing to command. You are not indignant at the sight of the MVD colonels and generals. Or at the sight of a talking head with full lips and a face, in half-horse uniforms like Vovk.
      Secondly, turn on your head, well, what is the reason for the "jacket" to cling to and curry favor? A man who graduated from the institute has a civilian specialty, he was drafted into the army at the age of 24-25 with the rank of lieutenant "length of service" with him, his peers after school are already captains and length of service for 6-7 years. That is, the "jacket" to build a military career there is no reason, from the word at all. Will have to serve up to 50, the length of service will be minimal, which means that the pension is "no." So, the “jackets” are more of a nonsense, not a bit of a slime. But after the school of "lysoblyudov" 2/3, if not more, everyone climbs bread and warm places, serves themselves and knocks on each other. For a promising post and another mom will be sold, isn’t that so?
    5. Sands Careers General
      Sands Careers General April 17 2018 14: 24
      +5
      No need to generalize. I know stupid “boots” and smart “jackets” and vice versa. There is no advantage if you graduated from a military school. Real war puts everything in its place.
      1. grad2308
        grad2308 April 17 2018 15: 24
        +1
        Quote: Sands Career General
        No need to generalize. I know stupid “boots” and smart “jackets” and vice versa. There is no advantage if you graduated from a military school. Real war puts everything in its place.
        With this I completely agree.
    6. grad2308
      grad2308 April 17 2018 15: 22
      +2
      In the war .... everyone is equal ...... You probably didn’t serve in the army either ..... You don’t know who remained in the army under the “Bori” -alkash’s decree. "Rowing" all biennial ...., personnel "broke" the contracts for not meeting the conditions of service .... The "jackets" were forced .... and the contract was not broken - just the time of the collapse and plunder of the country in 1991 - 1999 year .....
    7. Freeman
      Freeman April 17 2018 16: 28
      +2
      Apollo Today, 12:42 PM
      Putin himself a colonel from the same environment

      So maybe the whole thing is this? wassat

      - Honey, under the colonel, I was already.
      “I want to be under the general.”
      1. Chichikov
        Chichikov April 17 2018 17: 00
        +3
        Yes, indeed, the nickname corresponds to the way of thinking ....
  9. Fedorov
    Fedorov April 17 2018 12: 48
    +1
    Fees need regular as in the last century. And then for what stars to give? And then a fighter comes with a belly from beer and cannot pull himself up five times. After the military department, three bullets from Makar in the shooting gallery, and go to the civilian.
    We remember the “chasing” men, so the storage tanks from the “falling” Su-25 buried in the ground, and this is something to believe. And the guys didn’t have something to do, how to teach? But the carts with them are excellent wink and a bunch of jokes.
  10. Prisoner
    Prisoner April 17 2018 12: 49
    +1
    Here is another opportunity for different eagles to gnaw and "earn" money. winked
  11. Turgon
    Turgon April 17 2018 12: 49
    +1
    Officer ranks will soon be equated with Cossack epaulets. How many empty-handed reserve generals have divorced is still necessary in all NATO armies to look for.
  12. shuravi
    shuravi April 17 2018 12: 52
    +1
    "Reserve", standing on a general account in the military enlistment office, will also be able to get another rank. But for this he needs to write a corresponding statement, which will be considered at the end of the term of the officer in the current military rank, ”the material says.


    Well nafig. A title to just be? Retirement still will not affect, so why fool yourself.
    1. Tda tar
      Tda tar April 17 2018 22: 01
      0
      Why doesn’t it affect?
  13. Fedorov
    Fedorov April 17 2018 13: 03
    +1
    And there are still half-fans - Fetisov hockey player, Karelin wrestler - thundered for a quarter of a century, and then they deserved the blood.
    1. AlexVas44
      AlexVas44 April 17 2018 13: 25
      +3
      Quote: Fedorov
      And there are still half-pans - Fetisov hockey player, Karelin wrestler ...

      And many, many more from lieutenants to colonels. Once V. Tikhonov (Colonel!) Was asked, why should hockey players be assigned officer ranks. Why, there are military cooks ... This continues now, army ranks are simply depreciating.
      Biathletes Albina Akhatova, Svetlana Ishmuratova and Olga Zaitseva became majors after winning the 2006 Turin, two-time champion of the Games in gymnastics Svetlana Khorkina became captain !!!
      “It is a great honor for me to be a major,” Zaitseva once admitted. - I’m military liable. And, if they suddenly attack my homeland, I will gladly go to defend it. Though a nurse, even a shooter. I have and military uniform is available. "
      As they say, no words ....
    2. E_V_N
      E_V_N April 17 2018 14: 17
      +2
      Quote: Fedorov
      And there are still half-fans - Fetisov hockey player, Karelin wrestler - thundered for a quarter of a century, and then they deserved the blood.

      I respect Fetisov and Karelin, but as athletes, but the rank of colonel has nothing to do with it, well, except for retirement, but for the army they are a ballast.
  14. lance
    lance April 17 2018 13: 07
    0
    liberal chaos continues. Well, and what kind of a polkan will it be, who has never received a dule and has not recognized people? probably a four-legged creature guarding the booth.
    1. NN52
      NN52 April 17 2018 13: 32
      +2
      Some kind of nonsense .... The military commissariats have nothing more to do?
      And if it really doesn’t affect the increase in pension, then why bother with a garden?
    2. Doliva63
      Doliva63 April 17 2018 17: 33
      +6
      Quote: Lance
      liberal chaos continues. Well, and what kind of a polkan will it be, who has never received a dule and has not recognized people? probably a four-legged creature guarding the booth.

      Here it is not necessary! The four-legged creature guarding the booth will come in handy in the army. Unlike all these "colonels" laughing
  15. Apollo
    Apollo April 17 2018 13: 25
    0
    Quote: Anatole Klim

    In fact, Putin left the KGB with the rank of lieutenant colonel, and Yeltsin had already assigned the colonel to him when he was appointed director of the FSB, Yeltsin wanted to assign him the rank of major general, but Putin refused, and I think he did it right, that's the story yes

    If Putin’s career did not begin with the University of St. Petersburg, but with the first year of the KGB Higher School, his authority in military circles would be incomparably higher, and penetration into the military environment would be much deeper.
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim April 17 2018 13: 56
      +2
      Quote: Apollo
      If Putin’s career did not begin with the University of St. Petersburg, but with the first year of the KGB Higher School, his authority in military circles would be incomparably higher, and penetration into the military environment would be much deeper.

      I still want to object to you:
      - I did not have a chance to know KGB officers who, after the 10th grade, entered the KGB high school, all graduated from either an institute or a military school;
      - nevertheless, the KGB and the Defense Ministry are different structures, in my case there is a personnel officer who was offered to serve in a special department and who studied at the KGB school and became a special officer, immediately became not his own;
      - authority in the part does not depend on the graduating institution, it is earned by blood and then, believe me.
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon April 17 2018 14: 15
        0
        Quote: Anatol Klim
        I didn’t have a chance to know the KGB officers who, after the 10th grade, entered the KGB high school, all graduated from either the institute or the military school

        My father had an education of 10 classes. He started after the war (commanded in 1943 for injuring a private soldier) in the KGB as a driver, went to Leningrad several times for KGB courses, rose to the rank of lieutenant colonel, and was promoted to colonel when he was transferred to the reserve. His entire service was in operational work, and not in the office.
        1. Anatole Klim
          Anatole Klim April 17 2018 14: 23
          +2
          Quote: Piramidon
          Started after the war (commissioned to injure privates)

          These are the keywords of your comment, if you are aware of cases of enrollment of privates in the KGB high school after the Chechen war, the war in South Ossetia or Syria, then I admit that I was wrong sad
          1. Shrekk
            Shrekk April 17 2018 16: 28
            +1
            Our drivers were assigned to the department with an urgent, then they became contractors, after which they were hired by the authorities, one driver, the other operator. Which was the operator so until the retirement operator and served. The driver, being a warrant officer, entered the tower, received a mamela and became an opera ...
  16. bogart047
    bogart047 April 17 2018 13: 40
    +2
    correspondence surgeons will appear soon ...
  17. Piramidon
    Piramidon April 17 2018 13: 58
    0
    Too bad I'm already retired. One could get a larger pension. request
  18. Berkut24
    Berkut24 April 17 2018 14: 19
    +3
    When I graduated from high school in the 80s, a chemistry teacher asked where I would go. I said to a military school. To which she strangled herself that the army was a place for degenerates. But I did the same, and became an officer like my father, my grandfather and great-grandfather, who knew Lenin and Trotsky.
    I reached the captain in the North Caucasus Military District and, in connection with mass cuts, resigned as a citizen. I come to my city, and there my mayor is a former chemistry teacher. And for reasons of mobilization management in the city, she has the status of major general by status. According to her concepts, it turns out that the main degenerate. Such crap happened.
  19. BRONEVIK
    BRONEVIK April 17 2018 16: 03
    +15
    once the officers also retired with the right to wear a uniform and without it
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon April 17 2018 17: 35
      0
      Quote: BRONEVIK
      once the officers also retired with the right to wear a uniform and without it

      And now it is written in the military ID.
      1. AID.S
        AID.S April 17 2018 18: 06
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        Quote: Piramidon
        And now it is written in the military ID.

        Formal privilege. On May 9th. Or at a gala reception. Or for those who, having switched to the reserve, have grown into a form so much that they cannot imagine themselves without it in civilian life.
        laughing
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon April 17 2018 18: 10
          +1
          Quote: AID.S
          Quote: Piramidon
          And now it is written in the military ID.

          Formal privilege. On May 9th. Or at a gala reception. Or for those who, having switched to the reserve, have grown into a form so much that they cannot imagine themselves without it in civilian life.
          laughing

          I wear a uniform twice a year. On Aviation Day and Navy Day. soldier
      2. Tda tar
        Tda tar April 17 2018 22: 04
        0
        In which section of the military ticket about the "form" is written?
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon April 18 2018 02: 49
          0
          Quote: Tda Tar
          In which section of the military ticket about the "form" is written?

          Section 12. "Dismissed to the stock or resignation."
          Next comes the number and date of the order, the article and the attribution: "with the right to wear military uniforms"
          1. Tda tar
            Tda tar April 18 2018 09: 57
            0
            "Attribute" is far from an obligatory thing. They can "ascribe" or they may not. Checked. That's why I asked.
  20. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman April 17 2018 16: 57
    0
    We are talking about the possibility of increasing vzv. in reserve. This is a normal global practice. It existed before in the Russian Federation, but colonels were not assigned, only up to the colonel. And now they decided to improve.
  21. shuravi
    shuravi April 17 2018 17: 20
    0
    Quote: BRONEVIK
    once the officers also retired with the right to wear a uniform and without it


    So it is now so. Senior officers, as well as junior officers, are database participants. It is recorded in a military card.
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon April 18 2018 03: 00
      0
      Quote: shuravi
      So it is now so. Senior officers, as well as junior officers, are database participants. It is recorded in a military card.

      And with a calendar length of service of 25 years or more.
  22. 23424636
    23424636 April 17 2018 18: 13
    0
    I like it when they lowered everyone on the site, why did this harlot. Here he talked with a cap, a battery commander, and they cry, we are suicide bombers, and other diarrhea .. For 4 years there has been no change and everything about weakness and thoughts has gone awry. But you get your 25, and your other 2, Russian ruble, and others do not piss and are brave, because they know that even the weak for Russia in God have pluses
  23. RoTTor
    RoTTor April 17 2018 18: 18
    0
    Well…
    They will not add a pension. Hats canceled - no interest.
    Train tickets at the box office out of turn?
    Unless - if you have nothing to do or unsatisfied in the service of ambition.
    Well, all sorts of dupat officials, hiding from the army, will be happy and happy ...
  24. Apollo
    Apollo April 17 2018 18: 38
    0
    Quote: Anatole Klim

    I still want to object to you:
    - I did not have a chance to know KGB officers who, after the 10th grade, entered the KGB high school, all graduated from either an institute or a military school;

    Did I say that it was possible to enter the KGB high school after the 10th grade? For admission, it was necessary at least to serve an urgent one, preferably in the border troops. And of course make recommendations.
  25. shuravi
    shuravi April 17 2018 19: 24
    +1
    Quote: RoTTor

    Well, all sorts of dupat officials, hiding from the army, will be happy and happy ...


    Well, yes, so that after some kind of old age that does not creep out of the hot spots it’s protective to say, “I myself am a reserve colonel.”
    I remember, after the next reorganization of the nineties, in the helicopter regiment, the Starleys posts remained pravaki and airborne equipment.
  26. konstantin68
    konstantin68 April 17 2018 19: 35
    0
    C'mon, what a little thing, let's get to the army general! But seriously, you can even understand the military, but when, for example, Petrenko speaks as a “speaker” of the Ministry of Internal Affairs or the Investigative Committee (forgot). Colonel title! This, sorry, how? The chiefs of purely “paper” services in the ordinary district department are not offended either, here there are majors and lieutenant colonels. Is there a difference between a battalion commander and a chancellor?
  27. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn April 17 2018 22: 04
    0
    If he is the deputy head of the regional, regional administration, with experience in managing and organizing work with thousands of people, it is not worthwhile for him to be a lieutenant or an old man of the reserve. In which case, he will be able to steer, than something more than a platoon
  28. Hiller
    Hiller April 17 2018 23: 38
    0
    yeah ... why trifle - right up to the army general ... and six ranks "ahead of schedule" am To decide according to their affairs, and not according to their posts and direct military commanders
  29. shuravi
    shuravi April 18 2018 00: 20
    +1
    Quote: vladimirvn
    If he is the deputy head of the regional, regional administration, with experience in managing and organizing work with thousands of people, it is not worthwhile for him to be a lieutenant or an old man of the reserve. In which case, he will be able to steer, than something more than a platoon



    This is all nonsense. The fact that a civilian will be assigned the military rank of the necessary knowledge and skills will not increase.
    There is only one way out, first to determine which administrative posts are mobilizing and which are not. Two options are possible:
    1. To appoint candidates for the mobilization positions from among professional officers dismissed to the reserve;
    2. Appoint candidates who do not have officer ranks and experience in service to mobilization positions, and if martial law is imposed, replace them with officers.
    1. Tda tar
      Tda tar April 18 2018 10: 10
      +1
      I totally agree. For some reason, they almost always forget that epaulettes are, first and foremost, killing people and the risk of being killed, rather than a "business process." And the "price of the matter" in the war is people's lives, not rubles, kilowatts, kilograms.
      What process of killing the enemy can be led by an "effective manager" with "experience of the head of administration"? Infantry or tank battle? Reflections of an air raid? Submarine attacks? What can be entrusted to the “colonel from the administration”, who does not understand the price of the issue even personally for himself (not to mention those who are subordinate to him)? Idiocy!
  30. M. Michelson
    M. Michelson April 19 2018 02: 25
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    The question is complex. Apparently, you need to change the system altogether.
    I consider the university "reserve lieutenants" an obsolete institution; it was not enough for them to grow up to colonels! But with the leaders (both civilian and law enforcement agencies) there really is a question that rests on our original problem: the absence in the USSR and the Russian Federation of a full Ranking Table. Do not call the director of the plant or the head of the police department of lieutenants! So, really, there should be an agreement on the draft board. But there’s another question: should policemen or customs officers go to military units during mobilization or should they be better used closer to the profession (in this case, in the commandant service and military communications, respectively)? This is the system that needs to be debugged.
    Well, if so, then at least to the general.
  31. shuravi
    shuravi April 19 2018 10: 04
    0
    Quote: M. Michelson
    The question is complex. Apparently, you need to change the system altogether.
    I consider the university "reserve lieutenants" an obsolete institution; it was not enough for them to grow up to colonels! But with the leaders (both civilian and law enforcement agencies) there really is a question that rests on our original problem: the absence in the USSR and the Russian Federation of a full Ranking Table. Do not call the director of the plant or the head of the police department of lieutenants! So, really, there should be an agreement on the draft board. But there’s another question: should policemen or customs officers go to military units during mobilization or should they be better used closer to the profession (in this case, in the commandant service and military communications, respectively)? This is the system that needs to be debugged.
    Well, if so, then at least to the general.



    You misunderstood. It was about the so-called mobilization posts. The same director of the plant, in peacetime, civilian, in wartime, a military man.
    And no one will send the director of the plant to fight, he will continue to do his own thing but with shoulder straps on him. In Soviet times, it was worked out. A university graduate as a reserve lieutenant while making a career in the walls of his own factory also received the corresponding title. Now leapfrog.
  32. Doliva63
    Doliva63 April 19 2018 20: 27
    +4
    Flyer_64,
    God kill, I don’t remember where. Maybe he got excited with the pack, but in his head it was delayed like that. And then, I’m not sure that after the departure of a thread to Norway, the Su-17 will then reach the ZPI. I asked the then colleague in OK, he also can’t say anything “to the address” (. And they flew to the ice every year in the spring. In my opinion, from Severomorsk-3, there were still Tu-22s simple.