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Instead of five, four. Defense Ministry for the year reduced the training program for infantry officers

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In 2018, the Ministry of Defense conducted an accelerated release of combined-arms commanders. This was the result of reducing the time for training officers by one year, according to News.




“In 2018, an experiment was completed on a four-year cadet training program. He was declared successful - from next year, all the combined-arms commanders will study a year less than before. In military universities, where they master complex technical specialties, the period of study will remain the same - five years, ”the newspaper told the military department.

It is reported that in April, the rank of lieutenant received two categories of graduates: "those who studied last year out of five, and those who have already been transferred to a four-year program of study." All in all, this spring, the schools of the Ground Forces graduated from about 2 thousand officers - approximately 3 times more than a year earlier.

The publication reminds that a four-year system of vocational military education was formed in the Soviet Union.

A four-year study period is our tradition, backed up by years of experience. By the way, internationally recognized civilian training programs are also designed for this period. If you draw an analogy with civilian universities, the officer studies four years in a military school and becomes a bachelor. Instead of the magistracy - two years of study in the military academy. If he has a desire to continue his studies, the officer goes to the adjunct, where he defends his doctoral dissertation,
told the military expert, head of the department of political science and sociology of the PRUE. Plekhanov, retired colonel Andrei Koshkin.

According to him, a unique system of training lieutenants has been created in domestic military high schools: “even with a relatively low initial base, schools produce competent specialists.” The expert added that "in the trenches there is no need to write essays and calculate integrals - the commander must lead people into battle, skillfully lead them and know the technique."
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  1. Doliva63
    Doliva63 April 17 2018 12: 17
    +8
    "The expert added that" in the trenches you do not need to write essays and calculate integrals - the commander must lead people into battle, skillfully lead them and know the technique. "
    This "expert" will entrust his life to the commander, who can not connect two words in Russian? belay
    1. major071
      major071 April 17 2018 12: 29
      +22
      We at one time (1989-1993) studied for four years and graduated from military schools with cool specialists. And higher mathematics was taught by both physics and sopromat. All had time. By the way, about the integral in the life of the military. Old bike: somehow, in the classroom, one of the cadets asked, they say, what for us in the tank this integral, to which the old and wise colonel replied: what if you have an important part that falls right into the tank’s automatic loader? How will you pull it out without knowledge of the integral? And so you take the wire, bend it in the form of an integral sign and get the part. So all knowledge in studies is important wink drinks
    2. NIKNN
      NIKNN April 17 2018 12: 29
      +8
      Quote: Doliva63
      This "expert" will entrust his life to the commander, who can not connect two words in Russian?

      The expert is apparently not important. recourse Taking into account the fact that if you remove “Scientific Communism” from the Soviet Union’s program, it can be reduced as much as possible, but taking into account the transition to new means and methods of database maintenance, then as a network-centric war, and even take into account the quality of education in schools (USE), here it's time to think, as it were, and 5 years was not enough. recourse
      1. gerkost2012
        gerkost2012 April 17 2018 22: 20
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        Yes, better than 10 years and without the right to correspondence. The country is on the verge of war, at any moment mobilization can be declared, and cadets only in the 8th year. And they can’t be prematurely commissioned, because they have not yet passed the state exam in the literature of the Silver Age. Not the term of study is important, but its intensity and constant testing of practical skills. This, by the way, was what a strong German military school was. Because the Wehrmacht easily put Europe on the shoulder. Yes, he drove someone to the Volga and the Caucasus. And what was worth wrapping it back is well known.
      2. Andrey NM
        Andrey NM April 18 2018 05: 00
        +2
        The publication reminds that a four-year system of vocational military education was formed in the Soviet Union.

        A four-year study period is our tradition, backed up by years of experience. By the way, internationally recognized civilian training programs are also designed for this period. If you draw an analogy with civilian universities, the officer studies four years in a military school and becomes a bachelor. Instead of the magistracy - two years of study in the military academy. If he has a desire to continue his studies, the officer goes to the adjunct, where he defends his doctoral dissertation,
        told the military expert, head of the department of political science and sociology of the PRUE. Plekhanov, retired colonel Andrei Koshkin.

        "Expert" Andrei Koshkin is a graduate of a political school. In the USSR, only political officers and pilots were taught for 4 years and issued a diploma of higher education. What "expert" do not stick to now - almost all of the former political leaders. About pilots - in the early 80s I entered military schools at the same time, he went to Volgograd in flying school (it’s called “Kacha”, comrade pilots, correct if you made a mistake in the name), and I went to St. Petersburg, VVMUPP (70 years ago but now everything is so miserable there, it's a shame). My friend finished a year earlier than me, flew on the MIG-29. And then there was a 4-year training at political schools, as an example, at the Kiev Naval Political School, or Lviv Political. Therefore, this “expert” does not know anything else. They closed their mouths - and the workplace was removed. And in normal higher military schools taught 5 years. Then such an officer was trained at the academy for 2 or 3 years, depending on specialization. There was also a system of secondary military schools, when the training was 3 years old, an officer was graduated with secondary military special education, and then for further growth he entered the academy and graduated with a higher academic education. My father went through just such a training scheme and believes that such a scheme is even more effective, because an officer at the academy can already relate his practical knowledge and what he is given to develop his knowledge. But here it all depends on the type of troops. In the Navy or Air Defense, for example, secondary education is now definitely not enough.
        There were single sets of cadets at the academy with the subsequent release of lieutenants already with an academic education, but then it was not practiced. As an example - in Kharkov in VIRTA in the late 60s.

        Well, about the doctoral dissertation - pearl. This suggests that this "expert" is very weakly represents the service "in the army."
        1. Andrey NM
          Andrey NM April 18 2018 08: 36
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          Well, according to Koshkin, I almost guessed. He graduated from the Tashkent General Military School, but then most likely went along the Komsomol line, because then graduated from the political academy and further from the political department did not come off, was a teacher of political disciplines. The most interesting thing is that such "experts" carefully hide their service in the army. You will not find anywhere what positions they held ...
    3. Tda tar
      Tda tar April 17 2018 15: 38
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      For starters, you still need a "trench" for this "expert" to find. Where is the "trench" in a modern war? In the sky or space? Or "as before" - air defense planes in themselves, and the "infantry commander" - "drives the soldiers"? So what? How in Grozny?
  2. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov April 17 2018 12: 17
    +8
    War on the nose .. Again, the 41st ..? We work men soldier
    The commander must lead people into battle, skillfully lead them and know the technique ..
    And still looking in the eyes to give an order, realizing that the soldier will not return and this soldier must go for it in the soul, understanding everything.! This is the main thing, to know why and why ..There are few such officers, although not .. Many of us have been driven through hot spots .. That's where they will lead the soldiers into battle, for Russia!
    1. Borik
      Borik April 17 2018 12: 26
      +4
      War on the nose .. Again, the 41st ..? We work men


      So if the 41st, then it is necessary to reduce completely to a year. And recruit contractors from sergeants.
      1. 72jora72
        72jora72 April 17 2018 12: 53
        +2
        And recruit contractors from sergeants.
        Pripret, they will recruit, or maybe they will drive you off the couch and put you in a trench.
      2. icant007
        icant007 April 17 2018 17: 18
        +1
        In the 40th year, the training period was reduced from 3 years to 2. In the 41st to 4-10 months. By the way, this year, I heard that early graduations of officers had already passed. In the 41st year, the release was also earlier than planned.
        1. Andrey NM
          Andrey NM April 18 2018 08: 28
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          My grandfather didn’t even finish school in the 40th. They checked the piloting technique after the flying club, took some tests and retrained on the I-16, assigned the sergeant to the army, and went to the regiment on the I-153 ... 5 or 6 people were selected in that group. The rest were sent to schools. Since February 1942, flew on the IL-2. He graduated in 1961 on the MiG-17 ...
  3. barclay
    barclay April 17 2018 12: 19
    +4
    A four-year study period is our tradition, backed by many years of experience.
    Apparently, all experiments with military education led to the conclusion that there was no need to "reinvent the wheel." But this is how many military schools had time to put under the knife.
    1. Serge Gorely
      Serge Gorely April 17 2018 12: 26
      +3
      Yeah. And also - where not to spit, "academy" or "military institute". So to the "military students" is not far.
    2. kirgiz58
      kirgiz58 April 17 2018 12: 34
      +1
      Quote: barclay
      Apparently, all experiments with military education led to the conclusion that there was no need to "reinvent the wheel." But this is how many military schools had time to put under the knife.

      So no one invented. When transferring to five, they raised the status of schools to academic, respectively, they threw a salary to teachers a bit, and all programs remained at the old level.
      1. Glory1974
        Glory1974 April 17 2018 20: 28
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        all programs remained at the old level

        during the initial translation, maybe nothing has changed, but later all the programs have changed very much. Now 3 ++ programs,
  4. lysyj bob
    lysyj bob April 17 2018 12: 20
    +11
    Previously, military engineers graduated from military schools, and now bachelors. It’s sad to hear something. And what, my specialty will now be called "bachelor in the operation of wheeled-tracked armored vehicles and automotive vehicles"? Ugh!
    1. cariperpaint
      cariperpaint April 17 2018 12: 23
      0
      why? two specialties upon graduation. ?
    2. Wilderness
      Wilderness April 17 2018 12: 45
      0
      But it sounds solid: "Bachelor of material supply" !!!
      1. Andrey NM
        Andrey NM April 18 2018 08: 40
        +1
        Bachelor fighter, master of the hold group ... Sounds! laughing
    3. kirgiz58
      kirgiz58 April 17 2018 12: 46
      0
      Quote: lysyj bob
      And what, my specialty will now be called "bachelor in the operation of wheeled-tracked armored vehicles and automotive vehicles"? Ugh!

      Undergraduate and graduate programs only in civilian universities. as applied to the military, it would look like this: 2 years general military subjects, physo, psychology, and, at the output, a bachelor of military sciences, then 3 years of narrow specialization (who is a tanker, who is a pilot, who is a sailor) and the scientific title is tank master, master pilot smile but the profession is still an officer, and the specialty is a fighter pilot and all other army specialties. So do not worry - you are a RUSSIAN OFFICER!
      1. My_log_in
        My_log_in April 17 2018 12: 55
        +1
        how will graduates of combined-arms establishments sound? master infantryman?
        1. kirgiz58
          kirgiz58 April 17 2018 13: 11
          +1
          Quote: My_Log_In
          how will graduates of combined-arms establishments sound? master infantryman?

          Master of fields, forests and rivers. The main military master, since as long as there is at least one infantryman in the trench, our land will not be captured.
          1. My_log_in
            My_log_in April 17 2018 13: 15
            0
            I agree hi
  5. cariperpaint
    cariperpaint April 17 2018 12: 22
    0
    I was on the contrary leapfrog))) went to school by 4 and then decided to transfer to 5))) well, at least they gave me a choice)
  6. bogart047
    bogart047 April 17 2018 12: 23
    0
    but what did they do there before 5 years? And what will 4 years do now? Really interesting. But it is not integrals to count, right?
    1. kirgiz58
      kirgiz58 April 17 2018 12: 30
      +2
      Quote: bogart047
      But it is not integrals to count, right?

      And the integrals too. Bearded joke. Mary Ivanna, at a graduation meeting, asks: “Well? Did mathematics help in life?”, Little Johnny in the rank of colonel: “Yes! Mary Ivanna! Somehow the nut fell into the transmission, I can get it anyway, but I can’t get it. Here then I remembered the math, bent the wire with an integral and took out a nut! " smile
    2. Tda tar
      Tda tar April 17 2018 15: 33
      +1
      This is someone who imagines a modern war. For the Barmalean "army" and the year of "courses" is enough - I learned to shout louder and shoot bullets from Kalash - and the "commander".
      However, in some armies instead of soldiers led by such "commanders" for slaughter, they use satellites, submarines and aircraft. How do you imagine the knowledge about submarines from the commander in the battlefield three years after school (if the submarines themselves, for example, study for five years)? What about protection from air strikes? Like "cover eyes with a pen"? Or hide in the tunnel? So we have - frozen permafrost, bogs, and the territory is so far (!) Large. Do not accumulate. Or do we have every boy knows the organization of air defense troops from birth? I’m not talking about any RZBZ and “disguise-EW” there.
      I hope you are not from the General Staff? And then judging by the article - there are the same "specialists" ...
    3. helmi8
      helmi8 April 17 2018 22: 10
      0
      Quote: bogart047
      but what did they do there before 5 years?

      If my memory serves me right, the training dates before 5 years were engineering schools, 4 years command and 3 years technical. Flight 4 years, although the engineer-pilot was written in the diploma (the pilots themselves joked: the pilot minus the engineer)
  7. Miller
    Miller April 17 2018 12: 29
    +6
    Under the USSR, in command schools of all military branches and pilot schools, the training period was 4 years. In engineering of all branches of the armed forces 5 years.
    1. Tda tar
      Tda tar April 17 2018 15: 25
      0
      Therefore, the USSR is no longer ...
  8. Prisoner
    Prisoner April 17 2018 12: 37
    +6
    You, gentlemen, OfficerA, have forgotten how many years you studied in command, or rather not in engineering schools? It's just that everything is back to square one. What is the problem? Before four years was enough and now is enough. Moreover, the history of the CPSU and Scientific Communism need not be studiedyes
    1. nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn April 17 2018 12: 43
      0
      I was even assigned a lieutenant twice, the last time in 84 they removed the prefix
    2. Tda tar
      Tda tar April 17 2018 15: 25
      0
      The "problem" in the Afghan and Chechen campaign ... It's about the "earlier". The result is far from "comme il faut, however." The country almost collapsed.
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 April 17 2018 19: 47
        +1
        Quote: Tda Tar
        The problem "in the Afghan and Chechen campaign ... It's about" earlier

        The term for training officers has nothing to do with it. The problem was the leadership of the country.
        1. Glory1974
          Glory1974 April 17 2018 20: 25
          0
          The problem was the leadership of the country.

          And in the leadership of military education.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 April 17 2018 20: 48
            0
            Yes, no country. Especially in the inverter.
        2. Tda tar
          Tda tar April 17 2018 22: 19
          0
          Oh no. Instead of rockets and high-precision bombs in Afghanistan and Chechnya, soldiers were not "ruled by the country". And the most "Soviet infantry officers." Unable to use other weapons, okromya soldier's bayonet. This I, as an officer, can quite responsibly affirm. "Leadership of the country" is responsible only to the extent that it is completely satisfied with such "leadership of the army."
  9. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer April 17 2018 12: 39
    0
    “Even with relatively low starting base schools ... "

    It's about some such low starting base are we talking
    These specialists will come to master Armata!
    What about the faq? A sledgehammer on a laser rangefinder and ... no intrigues!
  10. Turgon
    Turgon April 17 2018 12: 41
    0
    We don’t need to rub our glasses, and they would say we need officers trained by modern standards, in case of war in the near future.
  11. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer April 17 2018 12: 41
    0
    Quote: lysyj bob
    It’s sad to hear something. And what, my specialty will now be called "bachelor in the operation of wheeled-tracked armored vehicles and automotive vehicles"? Ugh!

    Dont be upset! The broom manager also sounds proud!
  12. alstr
    alstr April 17 2018 12: 41
    +5
    Incidentally, it cuts me that instead of a magistracy, two years of study at the academy.
    In my opinion, it would be useful to serve first two years in the field for the benefit of the case, in order to find out the service from the inside. But then it’s already possible to go to the Academy.
    1. My_log_in
      My_log_in April 17 2018 13: 17
      +2
      in my opinion, they didn’t take the captain to the academy before ... or, in general, the complex of conditions was both in rank, position, and length of service ...
      1. icant007
        icant007 April 17 2018 17: 23
        0
        In tsarist times, it was possible to enter the Academy of the General Staff as a second lieutenant.
      2. Doliva63
        Doliva63 April 17 2018 18: 45
        +5
        Quote: My_Log_In
        in my opinion, they didn’t take the captain to the academy before ... or, in general, the complex of conditions was both in rank, position, and length of service ...

        As far as I remember, the deputy in armament of the battalion, the chief of staff of the battalion, the battalion commander (and equated to him) and the regiment's chief services were taken to the academy. It did not depend on the rank. Maybe, of course, sclerosis is lying drinks
        1. Glory1974
          Glory1974 April 17 2018 20: 21
          +1
          It didn’t depend on the rank

          It seems not lower than the captain. As before, and in the Russian Federation.
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 April 18 2018 17: 47
            +4
            Quote: glory1974
            It didn’t depend on the rank

            It seems not lower than the captain. As before, and in the Russian Federation.

            The positions listed by me below the captain do not pull laughing drinks
      3. helmi8
        helmi8 April 17 2018 22: 13
        0
        Quote: My_Log_In
        in my opinion, before the captain was not taken to the academy before

        I do not know, as in others, but in Zhukovsky 2 years after school, regardless of rank and position. Aircraft, helicopter and airborne technicians senior lieutenants acted without problems. But the specifics in aviation are different - there weren’t enough for all the captains (I don’t know how now, but I don’t think that has changed much). There are ten officers in a helicopter regiment for one soldier, if not more ... laughing
    2. Glory1974
      Glory1974 April 17 2018 20: 24
      0
      instead of a magistracy, two years of study at the academy.

      In order to graduate from the academy, you must graduate from a military institute, have had at least 5 years of service and a corresponding position. This is by the time of 27-28.
  13. nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn April 17 2018 12: 42
    0
    how and army the lapdog began to crap? or so "theorists" try to show the mind and quick wits.
  14. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh April 17 2018 12: 59
    +7
    We don’t have officer schools for juniors at all.
    officers. Become an officer smoothly passing
    all the way from the soldier, through the sergeant (on courses),
    a junior non-officer commander (in courses) and
    junior lieutenant (in courses).
    Thus, an officer grows up among his soldiers
    and inseparable from them. Soldiers write reviews of his command on
    internships :: if most consider him to be an unfit commander, they are expelled from the courses.
    1. shura7782
      shura7782 April 17 2018 14: 54
      0
      b Thus, an officer grows up among his soldiers
      and inseparable from them.] [/

      Do your military pilots also grow smoothly?
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh April 17 2018 14: 58
        +4
        An article about infantry officers, isn't it?
        1. shura7782
          shura7782 April 17 2018 17: 19
          0
          is not it? True true!!!
    2. Tda tar
      Tda tar April 17 2018 22: 56
      0
      There is one “but”: among the possible adversaries for your infantry officers, there are neither armies with millions of personnel, nor armies with high-tech weapons. This radically changes the picture of the battle and the requirements for preparing for it.
      Sincerely.
  15. Radikal
    Radikal April 17 2018 13: 15
    +1
    Quote: Serge Gorely
    Yeah. And also - where not to spit, "academy" or "military institute". So to the "military students" is not far.

    yes good hi
  16. Varyag77
    Varyag77 April 17 2018 13: 49
    +3
    “In 2018, an experiment was completed under the four-year cadet training program. He was recognized as successful.
    After that it was possible not to read. the author’s cultural shock will probably happen if he finds out that since the age of 76 (I don’t remember exactly) the year is 98–99 in our schools and studied for 4 years. And somehow it was enough.
    1. icant007
      icant007 April 17 2018 17: 25
      +1
      The 4-year-old has gone much earlier since the 60s. True, there were many more schools with a 3-year system. My father in 67 finished the Orenburg three-year period. And they began to transfer to the five-year plan from the set of 93 years.
  17. alex-pmr
    alex-pmr April 17 2018 14: 27
    +1
    4 years is enough to study the foundations of military disciplines and theory ... All other knowledge and experience is acquired only in the troops. I remember, many years ago, when I arrived at the unit after graduating from a military school, the head of the division at my first field exit said: "Forget the lieutenant what you were taught at the school, now the real studies will begin ...". He gave the command to take my battery firing position in the specified area and turned on the stopwatch. Bottom line ... I could put excellent marks on "tactics" and "combat work" in my diploma where I simply wouldn’t be sent ... Only after 2 years of military service, having received the "senior", I could say that I became real the commander ...
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh April 17 2018 15: 02
      +3
      "Forget the lieutenant what you were taught at school,
      real studies will begin now ... "///

      Well, why such schools to retrain in the army?
      And why such institutions to retrain at work?
      Everything is inefficient and outdated.
      1. weksha50
        weksha50 April 17 2018 18: 52
        +1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Well, why such schools to retrain in the army?
        And why such institutions to retrain at work?


        Well, as far as I understand, we are talking about the 70-80s ... And then, often, after schools and institutes (many), all this corresponded to reality ... After technical schools, some experts and experts in practice were better trained than after college-institute ...
    2. weksha50
      weksha50 April 17 2018 18: 49
      +1
      Quote: alex-pmr
      said: "Forget the lieutenant what you were taught at the school, now the real studies will begin ..."


      I completely agree ... A similar situation ... hi
    3. Doliva63
      Doliva63 April 17 2018 18: 49
      +5
      Shitty taught or shitty studied? recourse
  18. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn April 17 2018 14: 57
    +2
    ,, in the trenches do not need to write an essay ... ,, But now it's a shame. Yes
    1. Dedall
      Dedall April 17 2018 20: 44
      +1
      Respected vladimirvn, but the desired presence of general literacy at the level of "good" high school in Soviet times, I consider it mandatory. And then I work as a civilian specialist in a military unit and sob when I read what and how modern lieutenants write. Everyone has only the ability to write in the style of SMS.
      And alright, they would only be crippled with civic knowledge, and there is no military either. And my most basic questions, which I ask a very proud young lieutenant: "What is the front of the system? What is the rear of the system?" None of the lieutenants have responded in the past seven years. Indicator, however!
  19. Tda tar
    Tda tar April 17 2018 15: 10
    +2
    There is one small but. It is these “infantry officers” who always lead the armed forces in Russia (for “the boot is always higher than the boot” - this is Russian military law — always and everywhere). And they have a corresponding idea of ​​their application. As one such “ingenious military leader” used to say - like, we’ll take down Grozny with corpses (for the spawn I had no idea that there was another weapon besides an assault rifle - like a “bayonet-well done”) ... And he sent his equally “ingenious” ones infantry commanders in the Navy’s strategic submarine division with attempts to recruit naval officers from missile carriers (obviously more and longer trained) to compensate for the losses of “very quickly trained” infantry officers - instead of using missile carriers for their intended purpose (unknown to him for lack of education). He personally was a witness to this sad process in the 90s.
    Think in what hands ships-missiles-planes will fall. Yes, and the souls of soldiers recruiting ...
    I would have made infantrymen generally study for six years, like doctors. I would force aviation and the fleet to study. For then it is precisely and only they will inevitably command everyone. And it would be nice to save a soldier’s life, but not “money for training”. How will a student in three years running around with trenches with a submachine gun take part in integrated reconnaissance with the use of space means, how will he participate in delivering joint aircraft and naval strikes in the oncoming battle from the traveling position? Are you laughing? We have women for a long time do not give birth to eight boys, so that such a dropout to command their corpses learned. And the territory for retreat has been reduced. Ugh, strategists, damn it!
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 April 17 2018 19: 51
      0
      Quote: Tda Tar
      How will a student in three years running around with trenches with a submachine gun take part in integrated reconnaissance with the use of space means, how will he participate in delivering joint aircraft and naval strikes in the oncoming battle from the traveling position?

      You confuse the lieutenant and the general. This is not necessary for the command of a platoon or company, and those who go on promotion study additionally.
      1. Tda tar
        Tda tar April 17 2018 22: 29
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        I do not "confuse" anything. Do you think that "platoon-company" of soldiers in the coffin put it "normal" (like - women give birth?). And supposedly nothing is needed for the "stupid foot soldier" in a battle in the field. And I know for sure that any battle begins and ends precisely with the platoon commander - in the field and on the front line. And not a general with a thick ass at the Moscow headquarters with “work” from 9 to 6 (who, incidentally, will also “increase his knowledge” from his three-year primary military education in his “academy” and without the ability to use submarines and aviation, but not at all from five years).
        And it is MANDATORY to use this infantry commander’s platoon (for me and the mothers of soldiers - certainly) first as satellites, submarines, planes, and only last but not least in the case of soldiers given to him by the Motherland. Are you an officer in the Armed Forces of Ukraine by accident? You hardly understand me at all ...
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 April 18 2018 19: 47
          0
          Quote: Tda Tar
          Instead of rockets and high-precision bombs in Afghanistan and Chechnya, soldiers were not "ruled by the country".

          Quote: Tda Tar
          And it is MANDATORY to use this infantry commander’s platoon (for me and the mothers of soldiers - for sure) first by satellite-submarines-aircraft

          Could you clarify how long since the platoon commander has commanded satellites and submarines?
  20. Compasure
    Compasure April 17 2018 15: 32
    +2
    Quote: lysyj bob
    Previously, military engineers graduated from military schools, and now bachelors. It’s sad to hear something. And what, my specialty will now be called "bachelor in the operation of wheeled-tracked armored vehicles and automotive vehicles"? Ugh!

    Forgot about military departments in technical universities ... Almost all liquidated ..
    1. Dedall
      Dedall April 17 2018 20: 48
      +1
      Yes, dear Compasure (Alexander), and, not only in technical, but also in medical since 2009. There is even no field surgery and field therapy there, as an object.
      1. Aybolit
        Aybolit April 17 2018 22: 13
        0
        Wow, wow ... somehow it’s sad .. It’s just that we, on the territory of Ukraine, still have military departments in medical universities, and such subjects as VPH, VPT and honey. all medical students are supplied with troops, regardless of the military department. Moreover, the military departments of medical universities also train "special" medical specialties - military pharmacists, specialists in the supply of troops and the organization of health care. Interestingly, how are things in other post-Soviet countries?
  21. Glory1974
    Glory1974 April 17 2018 20: 18
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    The expert is delirious of pure water.
    that a four-year system of professional military education was formed in the Soviet Union.

    In the USSR, until 1968, there was a three-year military education, military schools were secondary.
    After 1968, they switched to the 4's one-year education program, military schools began to give higher education, and as a civilian they also ruled for the military.
    If we draw an analogy with civilian universities, then the officer studies for four years at a military school and becomes a bachelor.

    In the military school they educate "specialty", and a bachelor is something like an ensign who graduated from a technical school.
    Instead of a magistracy, two years of study at a military academy.

    a military academy is not a substitute for a magistracy. At the same time, a master's thesis is being written at the academy.
    If he has a desire to continue his studies further, the officer goes to post-graduate studies, where he defends his doctoral dissertation,

    Adjuncture can be at a military institute, and what is cooler than an academy? And where to defend a thesis? Or is it already in the West, do you have to write doctorates right away?
    In general, the state of military education is not so hot. Endless reforms are underway. Now in military higher educational institutions the 3 ++ program. That's right: with two pluses. A competency-based approach has been proclaimed, research goals should be achieved in the classroom, and then a reduction in the term of education will be achieved. Thus, we will never build a harmonious system. Graduates of even command schools often do not really know how to shoot. The issue of switching to the 3 one-year education system was seriously considered. Give only the knowledge of the platoon company commander and forth, as in the Second World War. They reduced it to the 4's, but it seems that this is not the limit.
  22. UAZ 452
    UAZ 452 April 17 2018 20: 38
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    If he has a desire to continue his studies further, the officer goes to post-graduate studies, where he defends his doctoral dissertation,

    When a person judges the adequacy of a four-year education. who don’t know that doctoral dissertations are prepared and defended in postgraduate studies, and not doctoral ones (these are in doctoral studies), it is difficult to consider the opinion of such an expert as expert. Probably, this comrade studied just 4 years.
  23. TsUS-Air Force
    TsUS-Air Force April 17 2018 22: 12
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    how many clever words in the article. and action? I don’t think so. more like a race. Serdyukov bleeding the army, the abolition of military schools, sorry, institutes, and now they are in a hurry to fill the army with officers ...
  24. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer April 17 2018 23: 00
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    Quote: glory1974
    need to graduate from a military institute

    Oh, ma! Looks like it's time for the opening of military vocational schools ... well, to immediately release the generals.
    1. TsUS-Air Force
      TsUS-Air Force April 18 2018 14: 21
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      and training 3 and 10 with the release of the rank of sergeant is the point. or college in modern
  25. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer April 17 2018 23: 06
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    Quote: NOC-VVS
    how many clever words in the article. and action? I don’t think so. more like a race. Serdyukov bleeding the army, the abolition of military schools, sorry, institutes, and now they are in a hurry to fill the army with officers ...

    They drove out the faculty, closed the best educational institutions ... and who will protect Deripaska's loot and Prokhorov now? As they would say earlier - the bins of the homeland. GazikProm is a national treasure ... well, according to advertising.