Israeli “Tavor” plus license equals Ukrainian “Fort”

23.12.2009, the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine agrees to the proposal of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and order No. 1577 adopts new models weapons. Brief drawing of the order - “Accept the proposal of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, coordinated with the Security Council, UGO, the Border Service and the SVR to accept new types of weapons on the recommendations of the interdepartmental commission, namely the Fort - 221 / 222 / 223 / 224 / 301 / 401 and their future modifications” .

Earlier in October 2008, the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine announced that the Ukrainian Fort and the Israeli IMI would create a joint venture for the production of TAR-21 of various modifications

for operation in the Ukrainian militarized divisions. Today "TAR-21" and its modifications are produced by the Ukrainian "Fort" under its own name "Fort - 221". Some components are supplied by the Israeli IMI. As far as we know, the weapons produced by the Vinnitsa "Fort" were practically not purchased by Ukrainian armed units.

It does not make sense to compare “TAR-21” and “Fort - 221”, since these are one and the same automatic weapon, no specific changes in the design and construction of the machine gun are known. Despite the many advantages and knowing about the main shortage of "TAR-21", the price of weapons in Israel is one thousand dollars, the question arises whether to manufacture such expensive weapons in Ukraine. Even made under license, it has almost the world price, although it is collected in Ukraine. In addition to the Israeli-designed Fort-221, the Fort-401 light machine guns, the Fort-301 sniper rifles and the Fort-224 submachine guns were adopted. It remains to wonder about the development of weapons for foreign licenses, and not for domestic projects that are not inferior in performance and much cheaper to manufacture.

The main characteristics of the Ukrainian Fort-221 (TAR-21):
- caliber ammunition 5.56X45 mm;
- length depending on the version, standard centimeters 64.5;
- height 30 centimeters;
- centimeter width 9.2;
- barrel length, depending on the version, standard centimeters 37.5;
- weight 3.9 kilogram;
- Shop 30 ammunition;
- bullet speed initial 890 m / s.

Information sources:
http://revolverclub.org/index.php?showtopic=2815&view=all
http://www.fort.vn.ua/produkciya/avtomaticheskoe-oruzhie/shturmovaya-vintovka-fort--221.html
http://baldone.ucoz.ru/news/2009-06-17-650
http://topwar.ru/8879-tar-21-avtomat-gora.html

Comments

[Neighbor]

Here the other day - looked about our Val. It is used only in special units. The design of both the machine itself and its cartridges is Gos.Taina.
It has no analogues in the world.
Pros: Accuracy, Noiselessness, flashes any bulletproof vest for departure.
And they talked about another assault rifle - Vintorez - also close in parameters - to Val.
So to any foreign Bulpabs - to our machines - Well, Very far !!!
By the way, what is there with the new law - according to which the Police - injuries (Wasps) will be instead of PM. And at the teaching staff, instead of 1 Kalash, the outfit will now look like Bison or something similar to it - more modern and overall.

[Neighbor]

Here it is, a beauty - the AS Val assault rifle.
Country: Soviet Union ¦ Russia.
Developer: CRI TOCH-MASH.
Chief Designer: P. Serdyukov.
YOM: 1986
Caliber: 9 mm.
Cartridge: SP-5, SP-6 (9x39 mm).
Length: 875/615 mm (butt unfolded / folded).
Barrel length: 200 mm (without silencer).
Weight: 2,5 kg.
Magazine capacity: 10-20 rounds.
Muzzle velocity: 280 m \ s.
Effective range: 400-450 m.
Rate of fire (rate of fire): 800-900 rounds / min.

[chukapabra]

Quote: Neighbor

Caliber: 9 mm

This is a special operations machine and is very narrow profile.

[PSih2097]

Here it is, a beauty - the AS Val assault rifle.

the real battle distance is half that written by you, and yes - this is a highly specialized automatic machine, like BCC (screw cutter), the most for ambushes, urban combat, but not for the field (there is the SVD and their ilk), in addition, a cartridge for it you don’t get it everywhere and Val with PSO-1 is a perversion ... IMHO, there is a VSS for this, especially since the shops are interchangeable.

[chukapabra]

Quote: Neighbor

ut the other day - looked about our Val.

The shaft is a special operations weapon 9mm cartridge, subsonic, quite described in the literature
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B0%D0%BB_(%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BC%
D0% B0% D1% 82)
screw cutter
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B7
It is a weapon of special operations. It is not intended for ordinary military units, it has specific tasks.
Tavor is a combined-arms machine designed for conventional units.
For Ukraine, it may be a little expensive; for Israel, the price is absolutely normal.

Quote: Neighbor

So to any foreign Bulpabs - to our machines - Well, Very far !!!

Bullpup (English bullpup) - a layout diagram of the mechanisms of rifles and machine guns, in which the striking mechanism and the magazine are located in the butt behind the trigger. Thanks to this arrangement, it is possible to increase the length of the barrel without increasing the total length of the weapon, which positively affects the range and accuracy.
Bull Dad Benefits

Compactness: bullpups are smaller and shorter than conventional weapons with the same barrel length. Modern military doctrines give importance to fighting in the city. Under these conditions, bullpap’s compactness is especially valuable. Valued by anti-terrorist units.
There is practically no recoil arm - when firing a burst, the machine jumps much less.
It is more convenient to reload when shooting from a car or loophole.

Look AK-74
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZunV5wEtT8
I shot from Tavor (by the way, like from Kalash, M-16 (3 modifications), Uzi, Galil, M-14, M-24.
I have something to compare. The tavor is very convenient, short, well centered. There is the ability to mount almost all sights, devices (additional handle, flashlight, grenade launcher). In general, it is very convenient. It can be easily disassembled. Very convenient mode switching.

[Novosibirsky]

Quote: chukapabra

I shot from Tavor

How is he to dirt? I look at it, thin assembly, return spring visually weak. Some technical holes in the receiver, under the collimator ... Will it be interesting to send a cartridge if you bathe it in the mud? How did he show himself in terms of reliability?

[chukapabra]

Quote: NovoSibirets

How is he to dirt?

He was tested for 10 years, there were no problems

Quote: NovoSibirets

I look at it, thin assembly, return spring visually weak.

This is not a return spring, it does not move when fired.

Quote: NovoSibirets

There are technical holes in the receiver, under the collimator.

For cooling and nothing more, there is no access to the mechanism of dirt

Quote: NovoSibirets

How did he show himself in terms of reliability?

Misfires were, but no more than in the m-16. Very reliable, almost zero return
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lDT4Xkw6MY&feature=related

[Pimply]

There were problems, but they were fixed quickly enough.

[Insurgent]

I wonder where it happened to you to shoot. It seems to me who happened to never have to write about it, for the sake of decency

[chukapabra]

Quote: Insurgent

I wonder where it happened to you to shoot. It seems to me who happened to never have to write about it, for the sake of decency

I just served in the army until the age of 40, as it should be for 3 weeks a year. Thank God I did not have to fight. For this, there is a younger

[Insurgent]

Yes, not a question for you, but to another comrade Novosibirsk

[Mite27]

Damn, write how he immigrated decently from the country, how he fought for the country so indecently Something you have decent decency rules.

[chukapabra]

Quote: MITE27

Damn, write how decently immigrated from the country, how it was so indecent to fight for a country. Something you have strange decency rules.

each has its own tasks, I'm in the military, everything is somehow more in mines. And with a gun to run into my 40s and with a belly? Teletubbies with a gun. For this there are combat trained units with a bare heel on a machine gun - this is not with us

[Mite27]

Yes, I am an insurgent. With his decency.

[chukapabra]

Quote: MITE27

Yes, I am an insurgent. With his decency.

I’ll tell you what he’s right about. I didn’t run into attacks, but I know perfectly what a mine break in 20 meters or Grad in 50 meters is. There is nothing pleasant about it and when you are 37 (in the last war, you want to live no less than 18, and I think even more) Half of the members of the forum have never fired a machine gun (except at school, 3 rounds), and only they know about the war on the movie. There is nothing pleasant here and no one is fighting for pleasure (if only not mentally ill).

[Mite27]

He was right in nothing. I fought and I am proud of it. And soon, the war veterans will be told indecently to wear it. They are not fighting for pleasure, they are fighting to fulfill their military duty and oath to the people and the country. These are the staff rats back in the Great Patriotic War .

[Insurgent]

You are mistaken at the expense of me tick I live in a pile republic

[Insurgent]

What are you talking about where I emigrated from? I live in Belarus

[Pimply]

Did you fight? Hardly.

Do you think the genre of military memoir would have appeared then? Memories of the army - one of the brightest in life always

[Mite27]

Well, you are definitely from the Arbat district.

[Pimply]

I am an insurgent. And you did not go;)

[Insurgent]

Another one did not have a chance to fight is satisfied with the answer

[Pimply]

That is why there is a separate website for military literature, where everything is literally clogged with memoirs

[Pimply]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TuxBo_Eqds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndBcJhQuafU

Special for you. In the second video, the test begins with dirt. The device is successfully used by a dozen countries

[Novosibirsky]

Thanks.

[Black Colonel]

And what about the powder gases emanating from the ejector window of spent cartridges - the nose is nearby. Or does Bullpap not have this problem?

[Pimply]

He took an interview, specifically asked this question.

http://izrus.co.il/obshina/article/2009-07-28/5618.html

[Krylovets2000 (HVVKU)]

Your conclusions are correct, BUT ONLY IF you do not go beyond your room! It turns out according to your MAIN CRITERION for choosing the weapons of the entire Ministry of Internal Affairs (not individual units of specialists) - the convenience of switching modes ??? And if you go out into the yard and think not narrowly, then the following questions will arise: how quickly both the trigger itself and the barrel are depreciated ... whether we have a repair base and spare parts, etc. ... and with this in mind, the AK will be cheaper to operate than anything else. As for tuning - this is how the hitch can be made for any trunk .. (if you have money ...)

[Donetskiy]

Have you seen enough "military secrets"?)) Yes, in some places it is very funny smotrylovo.
It is especially funny about state secrets when, in the 90s, Khattab was drawn with something like that.

[BAT]

Dear Neighbor, I want to correct you. VSS "Vintorez" is not an assault rifle, but a special sniper rifle. Absolutely silent, but has no muffler. Silence is ensured due to the special design of the barrel (I will not go into details, this is a very long time, and if you are interested, there is a lot of information in Wikipedia about the rifle)
On the same base, the OTs-14 "Groza" automatic grenade launcher system has been developed and is already in use. Here it is made according to the "bullpup" scheme. The principle of automation for all these products is a gas outlet, like that of AK74. Cartridges for them 9x39 SP-5, SP-6 subsonic. So that no State. There is no secret.
Regards Sichevik.

[ZHORA]

HA HA HA how does it have a silencer?!? And it’s not absolutely silent, the automation is still ringing, and there is nothing special there with the barrel design and the silencer integrated with it ... the thing is of course very useful ... at distances up to 300 meters ...

[BAT]

Hey, ha ha-hatun, the barrel itself is also a silencer. For a good specialist 300-400 distance is just what you need.

[Insurgent]

How is the barrel and the silencer the bullet rotates along the rifling, so it means the muffler rifling something the first time I hear about it

[Bad_gr]

Quote: sichevik

Absolutely silent, but has no silencer. Noiselessness is ensured due to the special design of the barrel (I won’t go into details, it takes a very long time, but if you are interested, then the wikipedia about the rifle is very good)

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Quote: sichevik

On the same base, the OTs-14 "Groza" automatic grenade launcher system has been developed and is already in use.

"Groza" was created on the basis of AKSU-74. She has a barrel as long as a pistol.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: sichevik

Dear Neighbor, I want to correct you. VSS "Vintorez" is not an assault rifle, but a special sniper rifle. Absolutely silent, but has no muffler. Silence is ensured due to the special design of the barrel (I will not go into details, this is a very long time,

Silent sniper rifle VSS "Vintorez"

in the analysis and its cartridges.

As you can see, on top of the short barrel with holes, there is also a silencer, which is integrated into the weapon. And the rifle is not "absolutely silent": when firing, it emits a sound at the level of a pneumatic weapon.
On the basis of this rifle was created the machine "Val"

The OTs-14 "Groza" automatic grenade launcher has nothing to do with these products, since it was created on the basis of the AKSu-74 (barrel as long as a pistol).
We have a full bullpup A-91 (A-91M)

[Landwarrior]

There is also "Whirlwind" (VAL without a silencer)

[Pimply]

Vintorez is not completely silent. Shot sound reduced, yes, to the level of loud clicks or pops

[Pimply]

And what have the narrowly specialized weapons?

[Basarev]

Well, why was it necessary to take PM from the police? Even the yard murmur is not injured by the name of the Wasp ... What can we say about serious criminals ...

[woland05]

Losing a potential market. Poorly....

[Gamdlislyam]

In Ukraine, at least sell stocks of small arms themselves (which they are doing slowly).
It’s just a cut of budget money.

[Donetskiy]

cutting budget money is a Russian popabol, and the "fort" is engaged in commercial activities.

[Call Sign Half Fifteen]

and I have a question - is there really something from the "know-how" in the Jewish automaton, or is it again a popularized guano.
as in the case of the last Jewish machine gun firing solo - the first and only in the world, yeah now, as a non-specialist I can name at least two ...

[Pimply]

As for the Negev, there was a recognition that they did not use it correctly - on the same branch in the airsoft. The ribbon was incorrectly refilled, plus Turkish cartridges yuzalis of lousy quality.

Negev need M855 cartridges, with a reinforced charge and a steel core. Twower had a discussion in the magazine when he shot a certain number of cartridges captured from the Georgians - there were obviously problems with quality.

As for the reliability of the Tabor - there is a video below. Thais bought a few tens of thousands, about half the number - Indians. Tavor uses a fairly large number of special forces in different countries.

[biglow]

where they do it and where they do it is unknown? but why all only go with Kalash

[igor67]

can be sent to Israel, production in Ukraine is much cheaper than in Israel.

[ZHORA]

Most likely it is ...

[wars1991]

Call sign half fiveAnd what is the last machine gun, shoots with single shots ??? Tavor-like any Automatic machine according to the Bull-Pap scheme, 1 is much shorter, 2 the center of gravity is shifted to the shoulder. The fact that it is shorter increases its maneuverability in combat at nearby distances and in urban areas. And the center of gravity shifted to the shoulder makes it easier to aim ... There’s nothing to say about the collimator scope in the standard. And its other characteristics are no different from, say, Galil ... I can say that the machine is very reliable and easy to operate ... The price of 1000 dollars in Israel is really not big, it must be borne in mind that production in Israel is much more expensive than anywhere else ... Perhaps that is why production in Ukraine was established ...

[Zynaps]

bullpups have some unrepeated hemorrhoids. strong smoke from the gunner’s face with powder gases during intense shooting, as well as the inconvenience of reloading - the machine must be torn off the shoulder. still have to be sophisticated with the withdrawal of spent cartridges.

Quote: wars1991

The price of 1000 dollars in Israel is really not big

this is kakbe, arrogant red pursuit. piece of bucks for a regular army machine - it will be stronger than Goethe's Panzerfaust. in the rest of the world, more and more are trying to make the production of mass small arms extremely cheap. and Israel by crazy money is very far from various emirates and Saudi Arabia. for some reason the Jews themselves chose the desert without oil.

Quote: wars1991

keep in mind that in Israel, production is much more expensive than anywhere else ..

than where? in China, India, South Africa? why does the USA somehow manage to produce relatively inexpensive mass weapons, and in Israel, the terrible high cost of stamped iron and plastic? Israeli production makes kosher weapons?

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Zynaps

bullpups have some unrepeated hemorrhoids. strong smoke from the gunner’s face with powder gases during intense shooting, as well as the inconvenience of reloading - the machine must be torn off the shoulder. still have to be sophisticated with the withdrawal of spent cartridges.

automatic machine A-91m
".... The cartridge case, after being removed from the chamber, is removed by a special lever to the right along the shutter mirror, then thrown forward by the reflector on the bolt carrier through the slot on the right side of the receiver. The closed receiver eliminates such bullpup drawbacks as the outflow of powder gases from the face arrow and the danger of hitting the cartridge case in the face when shooting from the left shoulder. Reduced the danger of dust when shooting prone from the ground .... "

[Pimply]

Quote: Zynaps

as well as the inconvenience of reloading - the machine must be torn off the shoulder.

This is somewhat controversial - it depends on the practice of training the shooter.

Quote: Zynaps

this is kakbe, arrogant red pursuit. piece of bucks for a regular army machine - it will be stronger than Goethe's Panzerfaust. in the rest of the world, more and more are trying to make the production of mass small arms extremely cheap. and Israel by crazy money is very far from various emirates and Saudi Arabia. for some reason the Jews themselves chose the desert without oil.

This is the usual price for a modern machine. M4 until recently cost the U.S. Army 1100 apiece.

[marshes]

Somewhere I saw a Kalashnikov assault rifle according to the bulpap scheme, it seems AK-84, but they did not accept it. Something similar can be seen: http: //www.megasword.ru/index.php? Pg = 422
Although I used the AK-74, but the bulpap scheme is interesting to me, I'm right-handed.

[ZHORA]

AK in the bulpap scheme))) and after the first store the eyes will pop out of the gases ...

[Zynaps]

count up, Zhora, bulpup "Tavor" is made according to the scheme with gas-operated automatics, as on AK. hari shooter smoke is a typical disease of all bulpups.

[chukapabra]

Quote: Zynaps

count up, Zhora, bulpup "Tavor" is made according to the scheme with gas-operated automatics, as on AK. hari shooter smoke is a typical disease of all bulpups.

I would not say that it’s smoking so much (to be honest, I couldn’t even remember if there was such a problem, probably if I didn’t pay attention, it means either not or not significant, although I shot quite a lot)
Now I once again watched the video about AK - bullpup
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZunV5wEtT8
Noticed , for a significant drawback, the translator of the shooting modes remained as in an ordinary AK. , in Kalash it was not convenient, but turned into a bullpup just something awful and uncomfortable.
In Tavor, you switch with your finger (two-way switch) without removing your hands from the handle. Why, if you made AK bullpup, do not remove this drawback. By the way, this remained in SVD, Groza, AK-which are made according to the bulpap scheme.
See how the fire mode on Tavor is translated
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4XAYmmWVDY

[Pimply]

Below is a link to YouTube videos - see how the gases are removed

[warrior]

And how do you like my favorite bullpup. Recharging - (Lost No. 8 in the illustration) can be done with both hands in reins. Frenchwoman, however!

[Chicot 1]

But the translator of automatic fire modes (queue / fixed queue), and on FAMAS it is a separate part (in addition to the fuse / translator lever), is on the bottom of the butt. The diagram is indicated by the number 18 ...
I don’t think it’s convenient ...

Yes, in general, this rifle is not without flaws. In particular, the reliability of its automation raises some doubts ...
However, I am not at all against the fact that it is in the arsenal of the French army. The main thing is that we have in service with such g ... Evers and g ... Anans ...

[Novosibirsky]

Quote: Chicot 1

Yes, in general, this rifle is not without flaws.

Right. I read that the first thing a French soldier does when he gets to the front line is to try to get hold of either an AK or another barrel. And Famas in the CWC, for the parade.

Found in the topic:

"Military experts, who were contacted by Segodnya.ru correspondents, noted that this weapon does not possess any outstanding qualities. Thus, the dispersion when firing at a distance of 200 meters in series of 10 single shots for FAMAS is 400 mm, while for AK-47, it should not exceed 300 mm.

In addition, French rifles overheat very quickly, and after shooting hundreds of rounds there is a danger of spontaneous ignition of ammunition. After shooting 3-5 stores due to accumulating soot, delays in shooting begin. Sometimes two cartridges are fed at once, which also causes a delay in firing. When firing, shops very often spontaneously separate.

A joke is very popular among French soldiers: “Question: - FAMAS - a weapon or a device for a bayonet? Answer: - You can remove the bayonet and use it like a hammer. 10 FAMAS for one nail. "

It is noteworthy that the French special forces units are forced to arm with German G-36 rifles. And even, despite the generous kickbacks, France was able to convince only Djibouti, Gabon, Senegal to purchase their rifle. Now Russia may also be in this warm, dark company. "

http://fsin.ucoz.ru/forum/49-800-1

[Pimply]

Do not read Soviet newspapers at breakfast.

[Novosibirsky]

This is not an answer ...
Where are the arguments?

[Pimply]

Which particular Famas are you talking about, for starters. Decide, there are several modifications

[Novosibirsky]

Hmm .., an unexpected turn, it’s hard for me to argue here, I don’t know the subject so subtly. And what are the modifications, and are they so significantly different in design and performance characteristics?

[Pimply]

Famas - development of the 1971 year, adopted by the end of the 70's. And legs generally go to the development of 50's. Passed at least two major upgrades. Differ not only significantly, but enough.

FAMAS G1 - An updated version with an increased trigger guard and a more convenient forearm.
FAMAS G2 is a simplified and cheaper option. The pitch of the three right-sided rifling of the bore is reduced from 305 mm to 228 mm, which makes it possible to use both cartridges M193 and SS109. Also, the new machine uses standard NATO 30-charging boxed magazines.

In addition, the use of composites, toughening knots, increasing reliability, the upper bar characteristic of famas has disappeared.

The latest version looks like this

[Novosibirsky]

Thank you.

[Chicot 1]

H. Pimply, in what form do not wrap FAMAS, and the principle of operation of its parts and mechanisms has remained unchanged. So if you don’t call her (at least Ge-one, at least Ge-two, at least Ge-twenty-two), she does not become more reliable from this ...

[Pimply]

Nevertheless, the reviews about him are quite favorable.

Minus - a rather complicated liner ejection system

[chukapabra]

Quote: marshes

Somewhere I saw a Kalashnikov assault rifle according to the bulpap scheme

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%A6-14
Look, just don’t know if it’s adopted.

[marshes]

The same thing that I posted.
There is also SVD in the Bulpap version, but I heard Shamanov’s words.

[PSih2097]

There is also SVD in the Bulpap version, but I heard Shamanov’s words.

Caliber: 7.62x54R mm
Movement: semi-automatic, gas vent
Weight: 4,4 kg with an empty magazine and PSO-1 sight (5.5 kg for SVU-AS)
Length: 900 mm
Barrel length: 520 mm
Shop: 10 cartridges
Temp shooting: 650 rounds / min (only IED-A and IED-AC)

The development of a shortened version of the SVD sniper rifle for armament of the USSR Airborne Troops began in the seventies of the 20th century, and a significant reduction in the size of the weapon was achieved due to the transition to the bullpup layout. However, at that time, the development of the Tula designers from TsKIB SOO remained in the form of prototypes, and they remembered about it only in the early nineties. The OTs-03 rifle was proposed by the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs as a weapon for combat operations in urban conditions, where the increased maneuverability of a short rifle is an absolute plus. The rifle was adopted by the Ministry of Internal Affairs under the designation SVU (Shortened Sniper Rifle), however, at the request of the same Ministry of Internal Affairs in Tula, its version OTs-03A (SVU-A after adoption) was developed, which was distinguished by the ability to conduct automatic fire. The most recent version of the OTs-03 line was the OTs-03AS (SVU-AS) variant, which differs from the SVU-A only in the presence of a folding bipod mounted under the barrel on a special bracket.
It should be noted that automatic fire from the SVU-A and SVU-AS rifles should be fought only in emergency cases, since the light barrel and the small capacity of the magazine do not allow any intensive burst fire from it. In terms of firing accuracy with single shots, according to available data at small and medium ranges, the SVU series rifles are approximately similar in characteristics to the SVD Dragunov rifle.

The SVU sniper rifle uses basic mechanisms and a modified receiver from the SVD sniper rifle. In the IED, a gas vent mechanism with a regulator and a short stroke of the gas piston is stored, as well as locking by turning the shutter from the SVD. The changes affected the trigger mechanism, which received a long traction connecting it with the trigger pulled forward. In rifles SVU-A and SVU-AS, the trigger mechanism is modified to provide automatic fire. The choice of the fire mode is carried out by the degree of pressure on the trigger - a short press causes single shots, a long (fully) automatic fire. To ensure only automatic firing, there is a special translator that, when turned on, limits the working stroke of the trigger.
The barrel of the rifle is equipped with a special muzzle device that combines the functions of a flame arrester and a muzzle brake. Sights include a front sight and a diopter rear sight, placed on folding bases. The whole has adjustments in range from 100 to 1300 meters. On the left side of the rifle is a bracket for mounting brackets for optical sights. Usually IEDs are used with a PSO-1 sight of fixed multiplicity 4X. The SVU-AS rifle is distinguished by the fact that it is equipped with a folding bipod located on a special bracket under the barrel. The bracket is attached to the receiver to unload the barrel from the influence of the mass of bipods and all weapons (when firing from the stop).
world.guns.ru

[marshes]

With the "paddle" in some situations it is not convenient.
Our special services switched to: http: //world.guns.ru/assault/at/steyr-aug-r.html

[chukapabra]

Quote: PSih2097

There is also SVD in the Bulpap version, but I heard Shamanov’s words.

This is what happens when they want to cut loot without doing anything. Just stupidly moved the handle forward and that’s it. You don’t see one bulpap
1. the shutter frame and the handle for jerking the shutter frame moves behind, almost at the person shooting
2Transfer of fire modes behind the handle
3. The fuse translator is the same behind /

If the cartridge is stuck with this arrangement, try to turn the shutter without lying on its side or without turning the machine over.
Transfer to automatic fire from the degree of trigger pull? What is it that an untrained person simply cannot use it (they did it simply by understanding that the translator at the back is extremely inconvenient), but the improvement from my point of view is unsuccessful, if only when shooting with gloves or nervous tension in a battle, when you accidentally pull the trigger with force.
Because of the removable cover of the receiver (removed up and weak - the disease of all AKs) there is no way to install sights, but only on the side, which is inconvenient and violates
centering.
the lack of a neck for the store, this is stated 100 times.
what's new? Tuning for a Zhigili will not make it meren

[marshes]

Shamanov said that there are quite a lot of Lefties conscripts in the Airborne Forces, I saw on TV where this SVDeshka was shown at the training ground.

[warrior]

Yes, the whole point of this is not to me. To have a single platform of small arms and crawl into it, it makes sense. So Ukraine has a platform on AK, Israel has Uzi and Galil, and now they are changing it to Tavor. Israel is profitable to produce a new platform cheaply and increase export chances. And what is the use of Ukraine from this? They will not go to Tavor and Galil. Why feed a competitor?

[igor67]

warrior,
already changed

[Insurgent]

So is Galil already kind of outdated by his brand and replacement?

[Zynaps]

expert, have you ever been taught in Bulgaria what outsourcing is? this process is somewhat more complicated and absolutely legal, unlike, for example, the unlicensed production of AKM, RPK, RPG-7 at the Arsenal plant. In any case, the engineers of the "Fort" enterprise will not have to hide in the cellars at exhibitions when the Israelis appear, as your craftsmen are cleverly able to do when the Izhmash or Basalt people appear.

Ukraine from this good - the loot is called.

[warrior]

No, they didn't. The ancient Ukrainians invented this outsourcing. And the word "Fort" is also used by Taras Shevchenko for the first time.
And if it's serious, there are a lot of strange things. For example, why the State Scientific and Production Association "Fort" was attached to the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine. The products are mainly military. Why "sellers of striped sticks" need machine guns. The basis of Fort's production, the same is not patented by AK. But for some reason Ukraine can, but Bulgaria does not.
And for Arsenal, do not worry. The firm is private, manufactures and sells in all markets with high protection of copyright and related rights - the USA, for example. If someone else has a prosthetics, sue. And there are cellars. But they do not sue, only they know how to bark in the media. Yes, and in the Arsenal, the AK series was modernized and at Fort, as I see some bells and whistles hung, and inside the box, no gu-gu.
Summarize. The children of Israel are certainly beneficial. The Ukrainian Ministry of Internal Affairs is also falling into something and can’t afford it. And why does Ukraine not promote its products? For instance:
The large-caliber special silent Zbroyar .458 SOCOM rifle was developed by the Ukrainian private weapons company Zbroyar, which is located near Kiev. It was created under the American ammunition .458 SOCOM.
Wow. There is something to be proud of and what to promote in the markets.

[igor67]

This is a newspaper photograph, Israeli special forces, at the left Kalash,

[Bad_gr]

There are both Ak, only on the right more body kit.

[igor67]

Quote: Bad_gr

There are both Ak, only on the right more body kit.

yes for sure, looked carefully at the photo

[bazilio]

and the right one too, judging by the fact that the front sight on the gas vent is an ax, only covered

[chukapabra]

AK and AKSU use (as needed) only marine special forces (SHAETET -13). Due to the shooting at the exit from under the water, the potential adversary is the same with the AK that would not distinguish himself by sound. But I saw in them (personally) only AK - 7.62 and the old model, I did not see such wound ones. Maybe it's special forces in the territories, which again would not stand out with sound. Especially shortened - this is generally a melee weapon.
Although something does not inspire confidence in me, we were forbidden in the army to wear a watch without closing it with a case, and especially the special forces do not wear it. because tuned them not bad, but we don’t throw money away.

[Novosibirsky]

Although something does not inspire confidence in me, we were forbidden in the army to wear a watch without closing it with a case, and especially the special forces do not wear it

We were already remaking the clock at the school ourselves (the commander’s then were chic). A watch was sewn to a camouflage tape (without a bracelet), and a linden came through the turn. Neither shine nor metallic sound upon impact. The USSR special forces did so.

[PSih2097]

Z-008 TARGET PRO - Zbroyar, Ukraine

The rifle is in a reliable, convenient tactical stock developed by Zbroyar specialists. The handguard allows you to set an elongated Picatinny rail, as well as up to 8 additional Picatinny rail. Including, at an angle of 45 degrees. The butt provides a lockable compartment for the tool (or batteries). Designed for use with an optical sight and a backup collimator at the same time. The MagPul sniper butt has a very wide range of adjustments. Applied pistol grip with emphasis.

Short Caliber: 223REM, 243Win, 308Win, 6.5x47, 300WSM, 7WSM, 7SAUM
Long calibers: 270Win, 300WM, 6.5-284, 6.5x55, 338LM
Single-shot calibers: 223WSSM,

[warrior]

Awesome. Wow. Already love. And what is the length of the trunk, can you tell me?

[mox]

In Vinnitsa, more pistols are issued under an Israeli license.
Pistol "Fort-21.02"

Description and characteristics:
"Fort 21.02" - semi-automatic pistols of double action, caliber 9x19 mm Luger. The principle of locking is a short stroke of the barrel.
The handle, designed taking into account the anatomical features of the hand, a spacious magazine, a polymer frame, a guide for installing additional accessories. All these features make the Fort 21 a modern, multi-functional combat pistol.
Technical characteristics of "Fort-21.02":
Caliber: mm 9x19
Principle of action: Semi-automatic short stroke of the barrel
Trigger mechanism: single or double action
Weight (g):
without store: 820
empty store: 90
full store: 280
Dimensions (mm):
Length: 192
Height: 145
Width: 35
Barrel Length: 97
Store Capacity: 16
Practical rate of fire (rds / min.): 40
Trigger pull: From 1,8 to 2,3 kg - with a combat platoon
Rifling: 6 grooves (polygonal)
Pistol "Fort-21.03"

Description and characteristics:
"Fort 21.03" - semi-automatic double-action pistols with an elongated barrel caliber 9x19 mm Luger. The principle of locking is a short stroke of the barrel. The handle, designed taking into account the anatomical features of the hand, a spacious magazine, a polymer frame, a guide for installing additional accessories. All these features make the Fort 21 a modern, multi-functional combat pistol.
Specifications "Fort -21.03"
Caliber: mm 9x19
Principle of action: Semi-automatic short stroke of the barrel
Trigger mechanism: single or double action
Weight (g):
without store: 870
empty store: 90
full store: 280
Dimensions (mm):
Length: 207
Height: 145
Width: 35
Barrel Length: 112
Store Capacity: 16
Practical rate of fire (rds / min.): 40
Trigger pull: From 1,8 to 2,3 kg - with a combat platoon
Rifling: 6 grooves (polygonal)

[Landwarrior]

Is this done from Jericho?

[ZHORA]

This is Jericho

[Landwarrior]

ZHORA,thank! I thought so
And, well, then everything is even funnier: EMNIP, Jericho is the development of Winchester Magnum.

[ZHORA]

In Vinnitsa, the entire line of Israeli weapons is made, except perhaps "Desert Eagle" for the domestic market, they go under the name Fort-No. although it is not clear who can buy them in Ukraine. Most likely for Israel and do it at their own production facilities or jointly for third countries. By the way, the plant will soon receive a new line for working with powder metals, which will significantly increase its technological capabilities. By the way, their own developments Fort-12, Fort-17 are praised. At Fort-12, the frame is completely milled from a forging bar, the casting was abandoned (voids, heterogeneity), and this is already QUALITY!

[Landwarrior]

Hmm, I didn’t know, thanks for the info.
And about the "Dessert Eagles" - for me it's the best weapon for the police, you don't even need to shoot, the criminal from one sight of this "crocodile" will do it
(I just saw once this "fool" of either 45 or 50 caliber (the hole was very big), I held it in my hands (Arctic fox, iron), they didn't let me shoot, but they didn't give it to him (I think the recoil would have knocked out nafig wrist joint).)

[loc.bejenari]

an excellent weapon specifically for soldiers and not free slaves for the construction of general dachas - the topic and AKM will
and for the price - if the overall equipment is NORMAL (and not tarpaulin boots, etc.) it costs several thousand UE - it makes sense to save on the most important

[Slavs69]

Quote: Neighbor

By the way, what is there with the new law - according to which the Police - injuries (Wasps) will be instead of PM. And at the teaching staff, instead of 1 Kalash, the outfit will now look like Bison or something similar to it - more modern and overall.

1. Instead of PM, PY (cal. 9x19mm.) Was adopted; weapons of the OSA type are meant to be used as additional weapons.
2. At PPS instead of AK (or rather AKSU), the PP-2000 (cal. 9x19mm.) Was adopted. For special forces "Vityaz" and "VityazSN" (also cal. 9x19mm.). But, as always, they get it somewhere, and somewhere else they wait ...
Regarding the VSS Vintorez and AS Val. This is a really specific weapon for operations in urban environments. It has also proven itself well in mountainous and wooded areas, when it is necessary to ensure the silence of destruction in an ambush or in a reconnaissance search. They do not give absolute silence, because the sound of the shutter automation remains. In general, the line-up of bullpup is most applicable for police operations (the so-called blakrolle operations) due to its compactness or for the crews of combat vehicles.

[Pimply]

On PYa many complaints

[bazilio]

The komenty, as always, starting from the discussion of the performance characteristics of Tavor, smoothly rolled down to cut the budget and other weapons)))) I personally liked Tavor, the machine is good. I am sure that it is definitely inferior in terms of reliability to the AK family (Kalash has no competitors here), but there are some advantages.

[Pimply]

Test for performance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TuxBo_Eqds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndBcJhQuafU

[PSih2097]

I don’t know for Tavor, I am somehow more impressed by these:
AEK-973, in it only put the whole butt (American telescope or our oar)

FN SCAR L, especially since there is an option for 7.62x39 mm
FN SCAR-L variant of "Close Quarters Combat"

FN SCAR-H Mk. 17 "Long Barrel"

[Pimply]

And why is AEK so beautiful? The impossibility of modularity? Wretched ergonomics? Not a proven combat use? Maybe it has new technologies? What is really good in it?

About skar they write that they are still damp. But the link is two years ago.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_2/280622_.html&page=1

[Georadarhead]

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For the study of later voids, and cave formations. It is desirable with the possibility of analysis at a depth of 50 meters - this is important!
We will purchase georadar equipment for cash, or we will rent it (with all necessary documents drawn up).

Possible budget - up to 200 thousand rubles.

If you have any suggestions and options, write to the mail:
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Thank you.