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Sevastopol and ... emptiness

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I live in Sevastopol for three years. And for three years I have been observing the same picture: well-dressed children ride skateboards on the base of the monument to the Soldier and Sailor. Once I got tired of watching - I approached them and asked why they preferred a monument to the Great Patriotic War to all skate parks. Creepy историяI will say right away.

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To begin with, let's remember the history of the creation of the monument.

In the distant 1972 year, by order of the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Council of Ministers of the USSR, military and civilian architects began designing the memorial complex at Cape Crystal, which was to consist of a second defense museum in Sevastopol, a park with a paved square, a monument to the Soldier and Sailor, the Eternal Flame. The area of ​​the future memorial complex was 6 thousand square meters, and the cost of the project - 6 million Soviet rubles. Such complexes were to be built in each hero-city. And all the cities-heroes, except for Sevastopol, they are.



Destroyed building of an unfinished museum

For several years, the ground was explored, the project was changed several times and already in 1983, they began to build a pedestal under the monument. By 1989, the monument was completed by 72%. Then the Soviet Union ended, the money ended and the desire to return to the construction of the memorial complex ended. In 2006, Ukraine nevertheless completed the construction of a monument to soldiers of 41 height and the adjacent square, abandoning the idea of ​​continuing to build a defense museum.

The unfinished museum was conceived by the project of the Kiev Design Institute in the form of a three-beam structure, the metal spans of which in recent years, Ukrainians were cut and put into scrap metal. A similar fate at one time comprehended any military object of the Crimea - including the “221 Object” (Laspi) and the casemates of the 35 battery.

View of the unfinished museum from the satellite:


For seed

Discussions about the patriotic upbringing of new generations do not abate in a patriotic environment, having recently turned into a chewed-up chewing gum. After the collapse of the Soviet project of the Komsomol and the pioneers, the minds of Russian children and adolescents were free for new information. Democratic Russia was not able to formulate any idea for its young citizens, since it abandoned ideology as such. A recent video of B. Yeltsin’s confession in the US Congress in 1992, where he asks the Lord to bless America, vividly illustrates the country's loss of sovereignty and national idea.

According to the theory of emptiness of Grigory Perelman, the whole point is what filled the voids - cosmic and social. We are interested in exactly social. So, after 1991, in the process of educating the younger generations, voids were formed, which began intensively to fill the mass media belonging to Western "partners." They began to act according to the principle “if there is no ideology in your country, then the neighboring country will invent it”. As a result, the term "Pepsi generation" appeared. This is about children brought up by Western culture. Consumption entered modest Russian homes. The Pepsi generation gave birth to children brought up by American films about transformers and super-heroes, while parents were looking for answers to the questions “where is the best time to relax: in Thailand or Bali?”

The children grew up and wanted to influence the political process. And in 2013, the Maidan began, and in 2017 - the actions of Navalny, in which children with brand new iPhones in their hands demanded justice. The meaning of the term "justice" they put into their heads Western culture - to abandon all Russian and dissolve in all Western.

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Watching the headlines News. “The girl climbed onto the monument to the soldiers-liberators”, “They will be fined for photos of those sitting in the helmet of the monument“ Thirst ”in the Brest Fortress,” “Teens fried sausages on the Eternal Flame”. I am looking for discussions on the network, I find. “Why do we need to remember the Great Patriotic War?”, “Grandma attacked children climbing the monument”, “Russians begin to forget about the Second World War.” In the last discussion, statistics are given, according to which more than half of the teenagers surveyed could not correctly say who started the Second World War and, as a result, chose the option “USSR”.

Mikhail Lomonosov simply said about such people: "A people who do not know their past have no future." Despite the blurred statements, every day his horror is increasingly felt physically.

It so happened that for the time being, for the Russian people, victory in the Great War is one of the few foundations of popular ideology. And every sensible person realizes that with the loss of this foundation, the future of independent Russia will become unattainable. Not a single victory of the VKS in Syria will make sense without the orientation of the young Russians towards their country. But just with this orientation is now a big problem.

Kids and skate



Let's go back to the kids on skateboards. Let's see what the extreme sports subculture is. The skateboard was invented by the Americans in the 50s. The board with wheels has become a continuation of the surfing culture. As I delved into the philosophy of surfing, I found articles with headings like "Surfing is the art of being happy." The Hawaiians who invented this sport knew a lot about rest. A shirt in flowers, shorts, a wave board are simple ingredients for happiness. Remember, in Nosov's "Dunno on the Moon" about the island of entertainment: "The island of entertainment turns us every day, every hour into nice rams and sheep <...> Have fun more and more, have fun, eat and drink, and never think ever again! "

No you "labor ennobles." Labor is about a collective, about a commune, about socialism. Skating on the board is a purely individual happiness, an egoistic attempt to enjoy life alone. I have no negativity to skateboarding. I try to understand the physics of the process, to find and feel the meaning of this activity. Not coming out yet.

For answers to my questions, I went to the children, skating on the monument to the Soldier and Sailor. They took me very friendly. The guys spoke sincerely, trying to reason and clarify. When I asked why they ride on the monument of the Second World War, the guys answered that they didn’t see anything bad in it, because they didn’t spoil it, they didn’t litter it, therefore they didn’t break the law.

I emphasize the guys (12-15 years) spoke competently and judiciously. They explained that no matter how many parks for them were built, they would still ride on the monument, because it is necessary to change the location, there is some sacred meaning in it. In discussions of the quality of Sevastopol skate parks, the children aspirated about American parks that they saw on the Internet. By the way, during the skating they listened to American music from a small speaker.

I asked them if they go to the monument for the day. fleet and May 9th. Half said that they walk, but the other half did not, because "they are not interested and boring."

conclusions

After talking with children on skateboards, I realized that they had good, wealthy families, in which, apparently, questions about the significance of military memorials are not discussed. The guys are nice, smart. The problem is that no one ever offered them to think about whether it is worth using the monuments of the Great Patriotic War as a roller coaster. I am afraid to suggest that little was said about the war with them. By providing children to the Internet, parents, as it were, reduced the list of their responsibilities in the upbringing process, curtailing their participation in the fate of their offspring until they sustain their livelihoods.

Guided by the principle of "bread alone", modern parents decided for themselves that the child himself would find the idea, the ideology of his life. This is the main mistake. American culture, as an evil wizard, is happy to clean up such "unfilled" children, defining their ideology at their discretion. It takes quite a bit of time for the Russian child to become an adherent of the Western consumption model. In a few years, he will give birth to his children, who will no longer be Russian in ideological terms. One has only to infect the social cell with the poison of consumerism, by launching the process of de-Russification, as a growing family of cosmopolitans of all nationalities is replenished with a whole family.

Everyone decides for himself how good or bad it is. Each president sooner or later faces a challenge - to create their own ideology or to use Western manuals. Each society either creates a request for a state youth organization, or disclaims responsibility for its future. While the choice is not made - it is in our hands.
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  1. astronom1973n
    astronom1973n April 18 2018 05: 17
    +37
    Article plus ..... It becomes sad that this happens all the time. Forget about the war and she already remembered about us. Indeed, it is not interesting for children about the heroes who gave us the opportunity to live, remember and listen. What is the problem? Kompleksno.Family, school and ... the main state. Brought up in the USSR were shrouded in a cocoon of ideology and there were no discrepancies wherever you went, in the family stories and veneration of heroes, in school, the same way, the state broadcasted from the stands and in all state. institutions had respect for the heroes of war. Worthy books were written, films were shot, "taking for the soul" and relevant so far. Now everything is different. From the stands, one thing, films about the other, even if they do it right in the family, there will undoubtedly be school everything is different, the bulk already forgot everything unfortunately. The memory was exchanged for external attributes and salutes, the exploits of the soldiers were forgotten. They are remembered only on May 9 .. That's why if they were from Urengoy, and these frostbite ride in the memory of their ancestors. How to solve the problem? If it is only necessary! The state is just as comprehensive. squeezing and planting ideology is not dough and selfishness. But you need to start with yourself and, above all, from the tops, who should set an example. And this is fantastic.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich April 18 2018 06: 42
      +22
      Quote: astronom1973n
      Now everything is different. From the stands one thing, films about the other, even if they do the right thing in the family, then surely everything will be different in school

      And from the stands, and at school, and in the cinema, and in the family, they say about the same thing.
      It’s just that the war goes farther, the pain softens, almost everyone who remembers the war is gone ....
      In my class, some students still have mom dads were participants in the Second World War, families were full of participants and witnesses of the war, still breathing it.
      Now this is no longer.
      And the preservation of memory and respect depends on ourselves: HOW we fix them in our grandchildren. IMHO ....
      1. astronom1973n
        astronom1973n April 18 2018 08: 24
        +5
        Quote: Olgovich
        And from the stands, and at school, and in the cinema, and in the family, they say about the same thing.

        And the result is visible! Cheers cheers! Hooray!
        1. Vladimir 5
          Vladimir 5 April 18 2018 19: 44
          +7
          An old adage: "If it was possible to build with a cry, then the cry of a donkey would most of all be built." For young people, especially adolescents, the first attention should be to build modern sports and other facilities. A skateboard is fashionable, so build a special training ground with different obstacles. Many cities in Europe can be an example, where a lot is done for children, where such sites are built and not expensive, from metal sheets bent differently. This is created in complexity in a couple of months and not for a lot of money ... You need to invest in children from education , to material objects, todes from hopelessness will not ride on monuments, and here it is not the children or their parents who are guilty, but the elected government, left unattended and demands by voters ...
      2. your1970
        your1970 April 18 2018 13: 54
        +13
        Quote: Olgovich
        In my class, some of the students still had mother-fathers participating in the Second World War, families were full of participants and witnesses of the war, still breathing with it.
        - I’ll support it for the second time: the Great Patriotic War went too far from history, it doesn’t feel like it was recently, there are no more people who fought, there are already a few people who were born before the war ... And then you won’t do anything, when it came to everything all had dead / wounded, war was perceived sharper. And now even Afghanistan is perceived by a distant history.
        It is impossible to make people feel the pain of people - who are no longer there.
        This is about how to feel the pain of people from the time of WWI or the war of 1812 - everyone understands that many people died, there were many wounded, but their hearts no longer tremble or startle because of their pain. They have already become history ..
        You won’t help reading books / watching films, and no electives / lectures / parents will help.
        And even if tomorrow we start reading the war according to Soviet textbooks and stuffing children with films / music about that war, they won’t feel ..
        1. victor50
          victor50 April 19 2018 15: 42
          +3
          In some ways, you are probably and unfortunately right. But he was interested in the war from childhood, and felt real pain when, while searching for information about his grandfather, he came across some unexpected details, with the facts of the death of a huge number of people, with the greatness made by them, their feat (as if pathetic it sounded) and it happened already in a very mature age.
      3. victor50
        victor50 April 19 2018 15: 36
        +1
        Well, yes ... There are a lot of films about the war (the most “advanced” Bastards, Shtrafbat, Stalingrad), only after the first shots (not these listed films), and others, not anti-Soviet, not anti-Russian - and I don’t want to watch - I don’t believe that it was or could be, I don’t believe in the details, I don’t believe that the Soviet are Soviet, that the Germans are Germans. And it's not true that the war is leaving and the pain is alleviating. Go west from Moscow, talk to people about the war ... I came across that for those with whom I spoke, and these were people of different generations, a little, however, the war was like yesterday. And the youth is interested in the war, maybe, more deeply, to the details, the search units, as I understand it, is not getting smaller.
        1. your1970
          your1970 April 19 2018 17: 53
          +2
          Quote: victor50
          Go west from Moscow, talk to people about the war ... I came across that for those with whom I spoke, and these were people of different generations, slightlyTrue, the war was like yesterday.
          - this is the right word - slightly, their very few people are feeling pain from that war ..

          A simple boring example: you studied in a Soviet school - can you tell when the war on Khalkhin Gol ended (without clues, the Internet, etc.)? But there died / wounded:
          "The irretrievable losses of the Soviet troops amounted to 9703 people (including 6472 dead, 1152 died from wounds in hospitals, 8 died from illnesses, 2028 went missing, 43 died from accidents). Sanitary losses amounted to 15 952 people."

          And on the next dayafter graduation it’s small, but war - the Red Army entered Poland ....

          Does anyone remember about them? Perhaps - who prevented the Japanese attack on the USSR? Or blocked the Great Patriotic War? ....
    2. EvilLion
      EvilLion April 18 2018 08: 30
      +12
      . Worthy books were written, films were shot, "taking on the soul" and relevant so far.


      It was on them that the generations grew up, “knowing” about the war only myths and believing only that the Germans were thrown into corpses. Moreover, even those who served in the army and should have a clear idea of ​​the capabilities of even the old "maxim" to counteract the overwhelming mass of people believe in this.

      And I’ll say straightforwardly, it’s very difficult to read about the War as it is, whether it’s an interesting memoir or a thin one. literature, like "drove our Germans."

      And Kolya will be beaten. Well, let them beat.
      1. astronom1973n
        astronom1973n April 18 2018 08: 36
        +4
        Quote: EvilLion
        It was on them that the generations grew up, “knowing” about the war only myths and believing only that the Germans were thrown into corpses. Moreover, even those in the army believe in this.

        Your statement is at least chaotic. You probably alone know the real truth and know how to load a machine gun. Where can we go.
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion April 18 2018 09: 25
          +2
          Excuse me, but essentially there is something to argue, or say that we have a lot of people who grew up in the USSR do not believe in throwing corpses? On what books did they get this?
        2. E_V_N
          E_V_N April 18 2018 12: 23
          +7
          Quote: astronom1973n
          Your statement is at least chaotic. You probably alone know the real truth and know how to load a machine gun. Where can we go.

          EvilLion is actually right.
          And does someone need truth about the war? For example?
          "Truth" is generally a conjunctural thing. It took Peter to “justify” the invitation of foreigners and placing them on leading heights, and here is the story about the Rurikovich from the Scandinavian Varangians. It took a single Russian state to create and here you have the Tatar-Mongol yoke, and the Mongols only recently learned that they seized half the world. It took a fight with the "cult of personality" and here Stalin is a bloody tyrant, half of the country in the camps, he threw the Germans with corpses.
          You really think that it is still impossible to calculate the losses in the Second World War, even if not for every person, up to 1000 or even a million. Yes, it’s just that nobody needs it, it’s profitable for everyone to overestimate the losses in the Second World War, so that we could say what sacrifices we made. There, Jews generally made public relations on their losses, and in the end they received their state, and compensation for the Holocaust, and laws broke through, which denies prison. Yes, the Jews suffered terrible losses of 6, but only the USSR lost three more, but there is no Russhostost. Do you think that you don’t want to go this other way?
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 April 18 2018 15: 02
            +5
            Some of these six million are simultaneously included in the losses of the USSR. Soviet Jews.
          2. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 April 18 2018 15: 07
            +2
            On the other hand, in percentage terms, the proportion of Jews killed during the war exceeds the similar proportion of other ethnic groups. Similarly, among Belarusians, the proportion of deaths in the war is higher than among Great Russians, but many times less in absolute numbers.
            1. E_V_N
              E_V_N April 18 2018 22: 49
              +4
              Quote: Sergej1972
              On the other hand, in percentage terms, the proportion of Jews killed during the war exceeds the similar proportion of other ethnic groups. Similarly, among Belarusians, the proportion of deaths in the war is higher than among Great Russians, but many times less in absolute numbers.

              Of course, the percentage of losses is greater in countries that were occupied and then liberated. Russia was not completely occupied, but it was she who broke the Wehrmacht's car and suffered heavy losses.
      2. dog breeder
        dog breeder April 18 2018 09: 28
        +4
        EvilLion
        . Worthy books were written, films were shot, "taking on the soul" and relevant so far.
        It was on them that the generations grew up, “knowing” about the war only myths and believing only that the Germans were thrown into corpses. Moreover, even those who served in the army and should have a clear idea of ​​the capabilities of even the old "maxim" to counteract the overwhelming mass of people believe in this.

        You, probably, “Rimbaud” with “They fought for their homeland” beguiled?
        And Kolya is sorry.
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion April 18 2018 14: 05
          +2
          You still regret Vlasov.
    3. E_V_N
      E_V_N April 18 2018 12: 03
      +2
      Quote: astronom1973n
      The memory was exchanged for external attributes and salutes, the exploits of the soldiers were forgotten. They are remembered only on May 9 .. That's why if Urengoy, and these frostbite ride in the memory of their ancestors.

      The topic of upbringing is very complex and there is no unequivocal solution, for example, how in one family children raised by the same parents often grow up very different from each other.
      And as regards the monuments ... they were instructed, often simply for the sake of budget development, of dubious artistic and historical value, that they often turned from Memory into introductory architectural decorations, which pass by without paying attention, nothing flows in the soul. The memory is not that there are monuments on every corner, memorial plaques on every stella square, every house, marks on the work done and forgotten. Memory is different, it is education, respect, gratitude, love.
      Well, about the article and the monument in Sevastopol ... if this monument stood on the mass grave of the soldiers who died in the Second World War, this is one thing. And so it is perceived as a "sculptural decoration" to him and the corresponding attitude .... the sculpture cannot be broken, it is impossible to litter, but to ride ... why not.
    4. siberalt
      siberalt April 18 2018 12: 13
      +8
      Without a state ideology, a country without a future. In this, the author is right! winked
    5. Sasha_Sar
      Sasha_Sar April 19 2018 16: 28
      +1
      Now everything is different. From the stands one thing, films about the other, even if they do it right in the family, then surely everything will be different in school, the bulk of them have forgotten everything unfortunately. The memory was exchanged for external attributes and salutes, the exploits of the soldiers were forgotten. They are remembered only on May 9 .. That's why if Urengoy, and these frostbite ride in the memory of their ancestors. How to solve the problem?
      But you need to start with yourself and, above all, from the top, who should set an example. And this is fantastic.
      Two hands for! The other day, I ran into a problem, the middle son (12 years old) in history passes the Mongol-Tatar yoke. I tried to test his knowledge of this historical segment, our history, not from a textbook, but from additional literature. Has suffered a complete collapse. Yes, it’s not interesting to them now. At home lies a trilogy dedicated to this problem; he himself read it in a binge. Mother got these books from under the floor. There is no push from above. Above only: "Not enough money, go to business" and "There is no money, but you hold on."
  2. Moore
    Moore April 18 2018 05: 23
    +10
    American culture, like an evil wizard, is happy to tidy up such "unfilled" children, determining their ideology at their discretion.

    The fact is that this "culture" uses the simplest human instincts - dominance, fear, and yes, that’s a 4-letter word that the site editor does not miss .... And on top of these simple things it’s also not pulled into fragile little heads a less simple Protestant idea: “You are unique, you are in the center and everything should revolve around you” - watch any TV commercial. Therefore, it all takes possession of the minds without much difficulty.
    The ideology of patriotism, higher social ideas is much more complicated and requires specific techniques and techniques for implementation. They are now called totalitarianism and are subject to obstruction, including those who hold our power, while opening both Victory Parks and Mannerheim boards.
  3. dog breeder
    dog breeder April 18 2018 05: 26
    +7
    What would you like? Four years after the Crimea moved to Russia. Total! And if this is true, it is time for local authorities to think about a form of education for the younger generation that is acceptable to us and interesting for them! So far, even in Russia this is not. The central one turns snotty series, If there is any advertising information in social networks, then only about the “cool” American blockbusters about something invented.
    I have long been saying that if the Americans had the same rich history as Russia, then there would be nothing other than American in the film market. Those pathetic attempts of our modern filmmakers, except as a parody of our history, can not be called! Of all the modern - only a series of cartoons about three heroes. But for the film about the last hero, all the actors in Magadan, to master the daily norm without the right of correspondence and with a loss of rights, and to shoot the director, screenwriter, and the entire administrative group! Well this must so rude the holy!
    1. igor67
      igor67 April 18 2018 06: 38
      +13
      America and Ukraine are to blame again, a simple example is your television, yesterday on REN TV two hours Prokopenko ached what a terrible America and Europe it is, etc., but at the end of the transfer the best blockbusters of the same America, The Magnificent Seven, and American films and commercials go through almost all channels Mack Donalds and KSP, KOKO KOLA, I think even if Crimea, in one case, the article talks about Crimea, would be part of Russia and not part of Ukraine, the kids would still ride and listen to American music, by the way, it’s Russian Internet radio is interpreted and broadcast. hi
      1. BecmepH
        BecmepH April 18 2018 07: 04
        +5
        Quote: igor67
        , it’s to the article on Russian Internet radio and interpreted plainly.

        Well, I don’t know .. I did not hear American music on Russian Radio, Our Radio, Our Songs. And what is bad American music? You can say?
        In China, Russian songs are in hits. So what? Isn't China now China?
        Do not mix culture of behavior and just culture
      2. dog breeder
        dog breeder April 18 2018 07: 16
        +5
        igor67 (Igor)
        America and Ukraine are again to blame

        Dear Igor! Please be so kind as to indicate in which place of my statement I accused America or Ukraine?
        The fact that someone’s music is broadcast on the Internet radio - but for God's sake! Maybe you don’t know English, but I assure you that they do not urge them to destroy or humiliate Russia. About one hundred days ago the leader of the "Pink Floyd" Roger Waters said about the situation with white helmets, I hope they read. Advertising products and any networks, such as MD, well, this is an amateur. Suppose in my city in bulk small cafes where the products you mentioned are not in demand. And yes. McDonald's gathered to build.
        And my advice to you! Watch less Ren-TV and the like.
        Our misfortune is different, we pay very little to our own, and those isolated cases that are trying to push through to our consumer are still too clumsy.
        1. igor67
          igor67 April 18 2018 11: 33
          +3
          here though veiled -What do you want? Four years after the Crimea moved to Russia. Total! And if this is true, it is time for local authorities to think about a form of education for the younger generation that is acceptable to us and interesting for them!
          1. dog breeder
            dog breeder April 18 2018 14: 16
            +3
            igor67 (Igor)
            here, though veiled

            You, just like Teresa May! You see, not a statement of fact, but what you want! Stop already throwing obscene on the fan! He’s blowing in your direction!
      3. E_V_N
        E_V_N April 18 2018 12: 32
        +3
        Quote: igor67
        America and Ukraine are again to blame

        Do not distort, the conversation is just about Russia, that there is no ideology, there is no clear line in politics or in the economy. As a result, America and the EU with Israel are “partners” (I wonder what the partnership is), Syria and China are allies (when the alliance was concluded, against whom ...) ... that’s why the strange Western ideology of tolerance penetrates. Ukraine is openly called the occupier and enemy of Russia, and we trade, remain silent and wipe it. The United States imposes sanctions, and in response, the “partners”, as it were, would not harm them. Israel is bombing Syria, and we are accepting Netanyahu in the Kremlin.
        1. igor67
          igor67 April 18 2018 12: 52
          +2
          Israel and Russia are partners, and I don’t know what agricultural commodities are worth in billions of dollars, Israeli drones are issued by you, I, as a simple worker, don’t know much, I only know that every week the Moscow Circus arrives, then the Bolshoi Theater with performances, the ballet of St. Petersburg and Moscow, I don’t think that there is such a cultural exchange in friendly Iran or Syria. And do not forget that your so-called friend Assad sent two divisions to help the Americans defeat Sadat Hussein. I’m also a friend
          1. E_V_N
            E_V_N April 18 2018 23: 00
            +1
            Quote: igor67
            I, as a simple worker, don’t know much, I only know that every week the Moscow Circus arrives, the Bolshoi Theater with performances, the St. Petersburg and Moscow ballet, I don’t think there is such a cultural exchange in friendly Iran or Syria.

            Of course, but the “simple worker” is talking about billions of agricultural products and drones (interestingly, Israel does not produce its aircraft, but drones wink )
            And about the ballets and the theater, well, half of Israel speak Russian, half of the artists in these theaters are of Jewish origin, where else should they go?
            Syria and Iran Muslim countries with a different culture and Russian do not know what to do with the performances of Jewish artists.
            You apparently did not understand the sarcasm I wrote about the "partners" and "allies." To put it simply, no USA, EU and Israel are not “partners” to us, and no Syria and Iran are “allies” to us. Is it clear now?
    2. raw174
      raw174 April 18 2018 06: 50
      +5
      Quote: dog breeder
      What would you like? Four years after the Crimea moved to Russia. Total!

      Crimea was Russia, in the spirit and opinion of local people. Do you think the rest of our country is getting better? No matter how!
      I worked with the guys in a patriotic club, conducted classes on weapons and the basics of handling them, together with the border guards, fired, led the groups on a camping trip to the forest for the weekend. Children are really good and smart, but their heads are full of junk! age was 10-16 years old, groups of 20-25 people. We talked in the evenings, on various topics ... They know nothing about the Second World War, except for a couple of memorized dates and events! But they listen carefully and with rapture. We told them about Kolobanov, Sirotinin, pioneer heroes, they are interested, discuss, ask! They just don’t work with them ... they don’t work at school, they don’t work in the family. How to fix it ... I don’t even know ... but I think that the most effective work is work in the family and small patriotic clubs. The problem with clubs is that they are difficult to track and some of them will certainly turn into cesspools of a Western ideology or sect.
      1. dog breeder
        dog breeder April 18 2018 08: 11
        +3
        raw174 (Ravil)
        . I don’t even know ... but I think that the most effective work is work in the family and small patriotic clubs.

        You know everything! And many thanks for the work that you did!
        Nobody did this kind of work with my boys. I myself told them that their great-grandfather had been lying in the hospital for about a year after a fascist tank had crawled through his trench, and his grandfather, having escaped from captivity, fought in Italian resistance. Now they themselves are looking for information about these and other events.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 April 18 2018 09: 23
          +3
          Quote: dog breeder
          Nobody did this kind of work with my boys. I'm telling myself

          what And who besides you should tell your boys about their ancestor ????
          1. dog breeder
            dog breeder April 18 2018 09: 30
            +1
            I AM! And quite a bit of school! For a broader understanding of the history of the Second World War.
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 April 18 2018 09: 40
              +11
              Quote: dog breeder
              I! And quite a bit of school!

              My father, a veteran of the Great Patriotic War from 42, I learned much more from him than from The History of the Great Patriotic War! He is thank God and is now in good health when my sons were growing up, I first forced them to listen to my grandfather, then they didn’t lag behind him ... tell me your grandfather? Sons have grown up and their attitude towards the Second World War cannot be changed in any way by all kinds of new trends in history!
            2. raw174
              raw174 April 18 2018 09: 59
              +3
              Quote: dog breeder
              And quite a bit of school! For a broader understanding of the history of the Second World War.

              It may not even be in an expanded understanding, the state must set the vector through school, a common understanding, so that after watching a film about how Captain America destroys the Nazis, the student does not take this as the only true truth. Now, the history of our country of the XX century is given, if I am not mistaken, 8-10 lessons.
    3. Gardamir
      Gardamir April 18 2018 09: 59
      +5
      Four years after the Crimea moved to Russia. Total!
      Hello comrade, alien. I’ll tell you a secret Crimea was annexed to Russia during the time of Catherine II, since then Crimea has been firmly attached to our coast. If you have a Soviet one, like Nikita gave Crimea to Ukraine, then I’ll open one more secret country was one, and many cities and areas were transferred to neighboring regions. And even before 2014, Crimea was Russian, as was the whole of Ukraine.
      And now, after 2014, the suddenly wealthy Aksyonov family dreams of demolishing a monument to Lenin in Simferopol.
      1. dog breeder
        dog breeder April 18 2018 10: 45
        +3
        Oh how! Well, tell me, an alien, about International Law, which our Guarantor unshakably follows! Well, at the same time in more detail, about the Aksyonov family. Sorry, we do not have access to your resources on aliens!
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir April 18 2018 12: 38
          +2
          which our Guarantor unshakably follows!
          Perhaps we are looking one way. Just now sarcasm or persuasion is incomprehensible.
          1. dog breeder
            dog breeder April 18 2018 13: 16
            +2
            In part. To your statement! But Russia respects international law. And the entry of Crimea into the Russian Federation was carried out in accordance with this right. The outrage of the Western carriers of "democracy" is due to the fact that Putin did everything promptly, contrary to the proverb about Russian sluggishness. Perhaps something else was expected from Putin, but the old KGB officer went around them in a turn.
            You, like many, consider Crimea and Ukraine a part of Russia. It's your right. But de facto, Ukraine is a sovereign state. Russia needs Ukraine in that capacity - a strong, independent UN member state.
            But about Aksyonov, I would like to hear intelligible B.
            1. Gardamir
              Gardamir April 18 2018 15: 28
              +4
              intelligible B.
              and what to say, the Aksyonovs entered the elite of the rich people of Russia. The wife wants to demolish or move the monument to Lenin. And calling the current liberal the old KGB eshnik is somehow indecent.
              1. dog breeder
                dog breeder April 18 2018 16: 03
                +4
                Again! Specifically about the Aksyonovs! I am not trying to defend them, but you blame them unfoundedly! With the same success, you can carry whatever you want! Either the rationale for your statement, or step aside!
                But the fact that I call Putin the old KGB specialist has a justification! At least the fact that he led this structure! And much more!
                1. Karabin
                  Karabin April 18 2018 18: 45
                  +2
                  Quote: dog breeder
                  but you blame them unfoundedly!

                  A statement by Elena Aksyonova, who now heads the Russian organization Russian Unity, was broadcast on the right-wing conservative Tsargrad-TV, Politnavigator quoted.

                  According to Aksyonova, the monument must be "civilized to be moved to another place." At the same time, she remembered the events of four years ago, when the monument was demanded to be demolished by the Mejlis.

                  “People came to Lenin Square and began shouting in the likeness of Ukrainian:“ We give you ten days - remove this monument from here immediately, we will destroy it, ”she recalls. - I honestly tell you, I believe that it is time to clean up these monuments slowly. I do not say breaking them, throwing them away. Maybe he should pick up some other place, respectfully transfer it. But at that moment I was ready to spend the night near this monument, so as not to allow it to be touched at all, ”Aksyonova said.
                  1. dog breeder
                    dog breeder April 18 2018 19: 08
                    +2
                    Thank! I’ll surely look, see what kind of fruit it is. You are a big plus for the tip!
                2. Gardamir
                  Gardamir April 18 2018 20: 12
                  +4
                  unfounded!
                  they have already answered you, but we have one Internet.
                  The similarities between the KGB and the FSB are the same as between the Tsarist secret police and the Cheka. Therefore, he did not lead the KGB. And in difficult times for the country, he left both the party and the office.
                  1. E_V_N
                    E_V_N April 18 2018 23: 12
                    0
                    Quote: Gardamir
                    The similarities between the KGB and the FSB are the same as between the Tsarist secret police and the Cheka. Therefore, he did not lead the KGB. And in difficult times for the country, he left both the party and the office.

                    Like, "I’ve been mistaken for so many years, but now my eyes have opened"? Or just left the "sinking ship" realizing that there is nothing shining there and no career to do?
                    Would you be careful with such thoughts wink
                  2. dog breeder
                    dog breeder April 19 2018 07: 10
                    +2
                    In 1985-1990, Putin worked in the GDR through the KGB’s foreign intelligence [35]. Its leader was the head of the Soviet intelligence group in East Germany, a representative of the KGB of the USSR at the Ministry of State Security of the GDR, Colonel Lazar Matveev (declassified in May 2017 at the age of 90)
                    In 1992-1996, Putin, among the "reformist political activists," underwent training under the program of the American National Democratic Institute for International Affairs (NDI). While working as an NDI consultant in Moscow, the future US ambassador to Russia, Michael McFaul, described Putin in 2001 as a “potential“ Russian Milosevic “, whose election as president of Russia is not a positive step for US interests.”

                    Where do you keep the CPSU ticket?
                    1. E_V_N
                      E_V_N April 19 2018 13: 57
                      0
                      Quote: dog breeder
                      Where do you keep the CPSU ticket?

                      I have nothing to store, I have never been a member of the CPSU. The fact that the words diverged from deeds was not seen only by a blind man, but didn’t want to enter for the sake of a career, therefore my conscience is clear, I did not betray.
                      1. dog breeder
                        dog breeder April 19 2018 15: 11
                        +3
                        You know, they kicked me out of the Komsomol at school. For what, I asked at a social studies lesson, why per capita incomes varied in the Union republics. But I still like some of the provisions of the code of the builder of communism. And I do not consider it a shame if a person was once listed in the Communist Party. A simple person might not know about the affairs of party bonzes.
                        Well, and specifically about the Guarantor - I am not aware of why he left the party. But, stop hundred, he is not a traitor.
  4. samarin1969
    samarin1969 April 18 2018 06: 03
    +16
    The abundance of speeches and articles about patriotic upbringing of children just rolls over.
    At the same time, the volumes of patriotic education are simply colossal (I know what I’m talking about) .... And the children are "skating" .... It's not a matter of the educational process.
    As long as there is a complete vacuum of power patriotism with a ritual teardrop on May 9, there will be no patriotic upsurge.
    One cannot simultaneously “broadcast” about the heroic deeds of the ancestors and wipe their feet about the “Russian Spring”. You can not be a patriot and send children to study abroad. Sovereignty of a country cannot be sacrificed to stock indices.
    ps And the teachers are "right", and they are frantically raising children in spite of the "grant" textbooks. wink
    1. BecmepH
      BecmepH April 18 2018 07: 07
      +4
      Quote: samarin1969
      a complete vacuum of patriotism of power with a ritual teardrop on May 9

      Well said!
    2. konstantin68
      konstantin68 April 18 2018 09: 34
      +3
      Quote: samarin1969
      The abundance of speeches and articles about patriotic upbringing of children just rolls over.
      However, the volume of patriotic education is simply colossal

      This is especially evident in Sevastopol! I completely agree with everything you said, all in the top ten!
      The trouble is that there is no ideology now! The ideology of the USSR was destroyed without giving anything in return!
      And respect for history, memory for the fallen ... This is not an ideology, it just has to be!
      Well, in Sevastopol, boys always climbed monuments, places of fighting, adits and grottoes. It is simply impossible otherwise, here the whole city is one big memorial, so much blood was shed! Well, we didn’t have columns and skateboards, we had balls and bicycles, but we knew that we were living in the very first socialist state, which provided free housing and education, culture and sports, built everything from roads to military facilities ... And most importantly , we all saw it with our own eyes.
      What is the national idea now? She is still gone! The sad experience of Ukraine showed what kind of results it brings, they remembered about patriotic education. And the children listen and continue to ride on skateboards ...
  5. Stas157
    Stas157 April 18 2018 06: 30
    +10
    . Democratic Russia was not able to formulate any idea for its young citizens, as it abandoned ideology as such.

    And there is! But this does not mean that there is no ideology. If the state cannot formulate an ideology, then society itself subconsciously formulates it for itself.
    What does modern Russia live by? What are its core values? What are the aspirations of people in their masses directed to? No need to invent anything! This is money. Nothing but them. Previously, in order for a person to succeed, it was necessary to become someone, to achieve heights in the profession, to benefit society ... And now you did not take place if you did not earn. You are a loser if you do not have a luxury car, yacht or overseas property.
    The ideology is simple - everything is for yourself beloved, and do not care about others. People are turned into life-burners and complete egoists, therefore theft (state property), corruption and nepotism are an incurable disease in our society. Calls for patriotism are not perceived by society, as those who have already assailed themselves from three boxes, that is, have already taken place, are engaged in this.
    It is not surprising that only 1% of people in Russia possess 75% of all the wealth of a huge country.
    1. BecmepH
      BecmepH April 18 2018 07: 09
      +3
      Quote: Stas157
      If the state cannot formulate an ideology,

      Well then ...
      Ideology is formulated, formed and demonstrated by the golden youth ...
    2. E_V_N
      E_V_N April 18 2018 12: 43
      0
      Quote: Stas157
      What does modern Russia live by? What are its core values? What are the aspirations of people in their masses directed to? No need to invent anything! This is money. Nothing but them. Previously, in order for a person to succeed, it was necessary to become someone, to achieve heights in the profession, to benefit society ... And now you did not take place if you did not earn. You are a loser if you do not have a luxury car, yacht or overseas property.

      That's right, the remnants of patriotism still certainly remained (efforia from the return of the Crimea, the Russian spring), while the generation born in the USSR and the children brought up by them are alive. But the generation is leaving, and then a complete ideological vacum
    3. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 April 18 2018 15: 12
      0
      There is no ideology, there is ideology.)
  6. Dashing
    Dashing April 18 2018 07: 15
    +3
    When the Motherland is a mother, they love her without an official patriotic screech. After all, the Motherland does not only demand and takes, but also gives a lot, provides. For a society of equal opportunities, for justice, respect for people, for the constant availability of jobs and professional growth, for a fair trial, for free education, treatment, etc., for family and relatives - our fathers and grandfathers went to fight for their homeland. If the Motherland is a stepmother, then, of course, it must be made to love. Love your motherland, official mass media howl
  7. Cheldon
    Cheldon April 18 2018 07: 19
    +5
    - (Hesiod 720 BC): “I have lost all hope for the future of our country if modern youth takes the reins of government, for these youth are unbearable, unstable, just awful!” .
    - Even earlier, 2000 years before R.H., one Egyptian priest wrote in the same vein: “Our world has reached a critical stage. Children do not obey their parents. The end of the world is near! ” .
    - And in the ruins of Babylon in an earthen pot (3000 BC) they managed to find and decipher such cuneiform writing: “These young people are corrupted to the core. Young people are insidious and negligent and do not resemble the youth of our days. The younger generation of today is not able to preserve our culture and bring it to our distant descendants. "(Found in Yandex)
    1. E_V_N
      E_V_N April 18 2018 12: 47
      +3
      Quote: Cheldon
      - (Hesiod 720 BC): “I have lost all hope for the future of our country if modern youth takes the reins of government, for these youth are unbearable, unstable, just awful!” .
      - Even earlier, 2000 years before R.H., one Egyptian priest wrote in the same vein: “Our world has reached a critical stage. Children do not obey their parents. The end of the world is near! ” .
      - And in the ruins of Babylon in an earthen pot (3000 BC) they managed to find and decipher such cuneiform writing: “These young people are corrupted to the core. Young people are insidious and negligent and do not resemble the youth of our days. The younger generation of today is not able to preserve our culture and bring it to our distant descendants. "(Found in Yandex)

      That's right, only the prediction came true, there are no these states
      1. Cheldon
        Cheldon April 18 2018 14: 07
        +1
        Quote: E_V_N
        That's right, only the prediction came true, there are no these states

        In the USSR, with the whole spectrum of patriotic education, this problem was even reflected in the filmography (I can’t name it, but you can find it if you wish). But do not forget, youth in Syria (our guys) is a generation born in the dashing 90s
        https://yandex.ru/images/search?text=погибшие%20в
        % 20Syria% 20Russian% 20Military & stype = image & a
        mp; lr = 10752 & source = wiz
      2. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 April 18 2018 15: 16
        +1
        And when, after how many generations? Some are thoughtlessly laughing at ancient Rome or Byzantium. But how long did they last and how many years have most of the modern states existed?
        1. E_V_N
          E_V_N April 18 2018 23: 05
          0
          Quote: Sergej1972
          And when, after how many generations? Some are thoughtlessly laughing at ancient Rome or Byzantium. But how long did they last and how many years have most of the modern states existed?

          It depends on what is considered a "modern state" by many a very long time and longer than Rome and Byzantium.
          But after all, ROME was not invariable, rushing from democracy to empire and vice versa. Then, what period is considered Rome?
  8. cedar
    cedar April 18 2018 07: 24
    +3
    Until there is a state ideology built on the foundation of Russian sovereignty and the people defend this sovereignty, the people will be a herd ... some in the forest, some for firewood. Naturally, everyone will use this, starting from crooks and scammers and ending with the enemies of Russia and the people.
    Nothing else can be expected in the atmosphere of fierce competition between nations.
    We see at the root of our constitution, dear, where ideology is FORBIDDEN.
    Sovereignty. Russia. Putin!
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion April 18 2018 08: 43
      +1
      And thank God that it is forbidden, and then it is not clear how to get rid of this ideology when it will pull everyone away, like the Communist Party.
    2. Karabin
      Karabin April 18 2018 18: 50
      +4
      Quote: cedar
      We see at the root of our constitution, dear, where ideology is FORBIDDEN.
      Sovereignty. Russia. Putin!

      laughing laughing laughing
  9. icant007
    icant007 April 18 2018 07: 42
    +1
    Surveillance cameras and fines will solve the problem over time. In general, scientific and technological progress will solve many behavioral problems. I can’t wait until the time comes when a receipt for a fine for obscene words will creep out of the wall)
    Alas, upbringing in our world will not help much. Only impact on thin money strings)
    This does not mean that these children are bad. They just don’t understand many things. And next to the memorial for the incomprehensible, you need to put at least the sign "It is forbidden this or that" ...
  10. Alex_59
    Alex_59 April 18 2018 07: 51
    +9
    American culture, like an evil wizard, is happy to tidy up such "unfilled" children, determining their ideology at their discretion.
    Author, it’s your fault in America again. What you call American culture is not American culture, but international stupidity. You might think we have a lot of nasty things in culture. American culture is Mark Twain, George Gershwin, Louis Armstrong and much more. And the fact that we live the way we live - it is only ourselves who are to blame, and not some America to which it is so easy to write off our schools.
    I didn’t see anything terrifying in the author’s description, if the guys really just ride, don’t spoil anything, don’t litter. In general, in Crimea and Sevastopol every inch of the earth is so watered with Russian blood that with this approach skateboarding (or playing canonically correct Russian bast shoes, if you don’t like the bourgeois skateboard) is nowhere to be done. Generally nowhere. Because everywhere there are traces of tragedy. I grew up in Sevastopol in the 80 years. We ran and played in the fields where each hole is not a hole, but a funnel from a shell, and here one of our soldiers almost certainly fell.
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 April 18 2018 09: 12
      +7
      Hello Alexey hi
      The trouble is. what
      I live in Sevastopol for three years

      Sevastopol is not just a city, it is a unique city! The uniqueness of the city in its inhabitants, closely connected with the Black Sea Fleet, the uniqueness of the inhabitants in how they relate to their city!
      The author Makei Rusinov lived in Sevastopol on 3 of the year, found out when the monument began to be designed, when it was built ... and what is the history of the appearance of this monument, the attitude of the inhabitants themselves to this monument? Did the author find out?
      The history of this monument began with the PMC KChF Vice Admiral Rudnev, i.e. with the desire of Vice Admiral to perpetuate his name in the history of Sevastopol, so the monument should be MONUMENTAL !!! When this monument appeared to the eyes of Sevastopol, they immediately christened it a "monument to traitors"! Why? But because the soldier and sailor openly run towards the rear and not the front, the attitude of the locals to this work has changed little since and patriotism has nothing to do with it! Many of the city’s structures are directly connected with the “zookides of pride” of commanders or the PMC, the breakwater at the entrance to the Sevastopol Bay is a monument to Admiral Khvorin, the breakwater is probably a thing, but not in Sevastopol, its construction caused only pollution of the bay and nothing more! The Arc de Triomphe on Laboratory Highway is a gift from Vice-Admiral Likhvonin's CCF CCF!
      1. Alex_59
        Alex_59 April 18 2018 09: 30
        +4
        Quote: Serg65
        The history of this monument began with the PMC KChF Vice Admiral Rudnev, i.e. with the desire of Vice Admiral to perpetuate his name in the history of Sevastopol, so the monument should be MONUMENTAL !!!

        Greetings! I didn’t know that. ))))
        In any case, even if it is a product of the megalomania of individuals, it is still a monument in honor of our soldiers. Let not very successful, but still. But even with this approach, I do not see big problems with the children in the form described by the author. Here, too, the children are furious and play on the Heroes of the Front and Rear Monument. We also have a monument to the Urals Volunteer Corps in our city - on ordinary days, it’s also not uncommon for children. By the way, our tank is unique - a real one, and not like most T-34 memorials - as a rule, the T-34-85 of the post-war release. And we have a T-34-76 with a cast turret-nut and a commander’s turret - a real battle tank that really went through the war and didn’t die miraculously (all cars of this modification died).
        If the children do not spoil the monument, then let them play. Catching up pathos and forbidding them - we are unlikely to achieve the trust of children. The truth is, when they flirt, they start running into the flowers at the monument, I pull them myself - you can’t trample the flowers. And let them run about marble.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 April 18 2018 09: 34
          +2
          Quote: Alex_59
          But even with this approach, I don’t see big problems with children in the form described by the author

          Alexei, you probably visited the diorama of the Defense of Sevastopol? Have you seen children skateboarding and bicycles there?
          1. Alex_59
            Alex_59 April 18 2018 10: 10
            +2
            Quote: Serg65
            Alexei, you probably visited the diorama of the Defense of Sevastopol? Have you seen children skateboarding and bicycles there?

            Unfortunately, when I was there last time there were no skateboards in our country.
            It is clear that there are boundaries. For example, skateboarding around the eternal flame is already a serious jamb. But we are able to distinguish boyish curiosity for the tank from conscious mockery of the graves of the fallen. It depends on what memorial I think.
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 April 18 2018 10: 42
              +2
              Quote: Alex_59
              we are able to distinguish boyish curiosity for the tank from conscious mockery of the graves of the fallen

              We can yes but what is the author of the article trying to achieve? Pay attention to yourself or inject power? That's the question!!!
            2. Serg65
              Serg65 April 18 2018 10: 45
              +1
              Quote: Alex_59
              Unfortunately, when I was there last time there were no skateboards in our country

              recourse As far as I remember, in 85, it was impossible to go quietly along Historical Boulevard ...
  11. Terenin
    Terenin April 18 2018 07: 59
    +9
    It has long been known: "A child learns what he sees in his home, parents are an example to him!"
  12. EvilLion
    EvilLion April 18 2018 08: 26
    +1
    "Chef, it's all gone!" Long live labor for work, senseless and merciless, at the level of a monkey from Krylov's fable.

    By the way, while skating, they listened to American music from a small column.


    "Today he plays jazz, and tomorrow he will sell his homeland." Apparently, the kids had to listen to some Kirkorov, or the notorious "Russian rock".

    To be honest, all this reminds me of my dad, who, as he gets drunk, remembers how he wore a blue beret in the 1977-79, as if now it has at least some significance, like the skills given in the army.
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 April 18 2018 09: 27
      +8
      Quote: EvilLion
      reminds me of my dad, who, as he gets drunk, remembers how he wore a blue beret in the 1977-79, as if now it has at least some meaning

      For your bathy, this is of great importance, you do not understand!
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion April 18 2018 16: 51
        0
        I have no doubt, it was only 40 years ago, and this turns out to be the only reason for pride.
        1. E_V_N
          E_V_N April 18 2018 23: 26
          +1
          Quote: EvilLion
          I have no doubt, it was only 40 years ago, and this turns out to be the only reason for pride.

          Well, what are you so humiliating yourself by claiming that You for your Bati, you are not a reason for pride, but you do not consider yourself a "blue beret 1977-1979"?
          1. EvilLion
            EvilLion April 22 2018 17: 09
            0
            What about me? After an army of 40 years, he worked at a thermal power station, in hell itself, those who were in the workshops would understand. But for some reason, the priority is precisely the army through which everyone passed then, only to forget about it immediately after the demobilization. In general, the army has always had a clear gradation between professional officers and a mobilized contingent, who, after serving, will do something else. And his interests are essentially limited to films about the Second World War. What kind of system is this that a person has lived up to 60, and only events of the times before his birth and 2 of the year in his life when he wore tarpaulin boots are of importance to him?
  13. EvilLion
    EvilLion April 18 2018 08: 37
    +8
    Oh yes, in my city near the Victory Monument there is an IS-2, and also a howitzer (I don’t understand artillery to distinguish D-30 from ML-20, it doesn’t matter). And children climb on them. Drive children in 3 neck and do not breathe on tang?

    In general, in Europe, after WWII, they are simply afraid of military weapons, for them it’s a pure murder weapon, I remember, I even had a note here, well, the new BTR-82A entered the military unit, they just rolled out, please see, and the children right there crawl on them. A rather characteristic picture is precisely in the perception of army weapons and their purpose. This is not a murder weapon - it is a tool of protection against all kinds of “liberators” in the person of all kinds of deutsche soldiers or American solgers, and in the BIOS of the people this is very reliable.
    1. ghby
      ghby April 18 2018 11: 46
      +1
      Quote: EvilLion
      Oh yes, in my city near the Victory Monument there is an IS-2, and also a howitzer (I don’t understand artillery to distinguish D-30 from ML-20, it doesn’t matter). And children climb on them. Drive children in 3 neck and do not breathe on tang?

      We have tanks in the playgrounds. Climb as much as you like.
      Photo from the source: https://mib55.livejournal.com/4528.html







      Even in a museum of military glory they don’t drive when children climb tanks, guns, howitzers and other things (everything that is on the open area).
      1. icant007
        icant007 April 18 2018 12: 13
        +1
        They drive often. In many places, plates hang that you can’t climb on the equipment. I remember an adult uncle with a BMP-2 drove near Bryansk in Partizanskaya Polyana. You ask, where does the BMP and the partisans? So there were still naval gun mounts during the war and AN-2)
      2. EvilLion
        EvilLion April 18 2018 14: 13
        0
        The abundance of T-62. And what kind of self-propelled gun with an ejector? Not one of the models I know is like.
        1. ghby
          ghby April 18 2018 17: 37
          +1
          I indicated a link to the source, there are still photos there.
          Self-propelled gun ASU-85, and in the Aviagorodok there is a training stand t-62. According to the source of the photos.
          1. EvilLion
            EvilLion April 22 2018 17: 10
            0
            It looks like I thought they were gone, except maybe a couple of things in museums. Not a lot of them were released.
  14. EvilLion
    EvilLion April 18 2018 08: 41
    0
    You can also pump some kind of “mouse” in WoT and fuck Orthodox Soviet tanks. Horrible! Although for me, for example, the very possibility of seeing any VK 36.01 or T-34М (A-43) from which only references that have turned yellow are preserved, yes, it’s good if the muddy b / w photographs mean a lot, because they also part of the story.
  15. Opera
    Opera April 18 2018 09: 07
    +1
    Or maybe it's good that children play in such a place? They really do nothing wrong. The main thing is that they know the history of the people of which they are a particle. To bring a deep philosophy to the board on wheels is somehow not at the box office! And why once again try to contrast the era ?! At their age, we rode from the mountains on cartons and, by the way, we attached bearings to the boards ...) We also drove to VDNH and climbed onto the monument with a rocket and no one scolded us! Unfortunately, we have a really wild case of desecrations of eternal flame and ravings in Orthodox churches! This is what we need to talk about and punish revealingly so that others are not in the habit! And while thinking about the patriotic education of children, we must put in place some adults! By the way, too, often Russian citizens, most of whom were born and managed to live in the USSR, who are trying to pass off the truth as Western slander about the origins, course and results of World War 2! The war that has become for our people the Great Patriotic War!
  16. Lizzzard
    Lizzzard April 18 2018 09: 15
    +1
    The meaning of the term “justice” was put into their heads by Western culture - to abandon all of Russia and dissolve in everything Western.

    Oh, these corrupting Western values: the change of power, the separation of powers, an independent court, the inviolability of private property and human rights - pah!
    Whether it’s our business, indisputable values: the Great Leader, nepotism, fraud, bribery, embezzlement, and blatant hypocrisy - how dare these puppies, these milk-suckers, encroach on our eternal spiritual and social bonds ?! laughing
    1. Mestny
      Mestny April 18 2018 09: 22
      -1
      What kind of country are you talking about now?
      So then all of the above is in all countries.
      But judging by the terms “pogo social scrapes,” are you trying to viciously irony at my country?
      1. Lizzzard
        Lizzzard April 18 2018 09: 32
        +2
        So then all of the above is in all countries.

        In all countries of Africa or South American rebellions. Russia = Africa in your opinion?
        Can you imagine that the American senator was crucifying for patriotism, the Russian / Chinese threat, and he bought real estate in China, settled his family there, educated his children there? I can not.
        Can you imagine at least one case when an official in any country of the first world, falling for possession of wealth that he cannot afford, as well as explaining his origin, would remain at his post? It is decidedly impossible to imagine such a thing. Somewhere in Africa - yes. In Asia, it is no longer there: in Korea, the president was imprisoned for such a fortress for 24 years.
        Only we have a special pride, a special way. Dotted with a rake.
        And everyone who doesn’t want to march on a rake in the ranks is the traitor and the fifth column, an agent of the State Department, Masada and Papua New Guinea!
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 April 18 2018 09: 44
          +3
          Quote: Lizzzard
          You can imagine that the American senator is crucifying for patriotism, the Russian / Chinese threat, and he would buy real estate in China

          laughing What real estate is there, for God's sake !!!!
          Only investment .... what hmmm, and investments involve partial ownership of real estate, fig yourself !!!!
          1. Lizzzard
            Lizzzard April 18 2018 09: 54
            0
            And who makes the investment? Officials, deputies, state-owned companies or private individuals?
            These are two big differences.
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 April 18 2018 10: 37
              +1
              Quote: Lizzzard
              And who makes the investment?

              Of course private individuals, part-time senators!
              The American senator between business and the state will definitely choose a business! I hope you heard about American lobbying?
              1. Lizzzard
                Lizzzard April 18 2018 11: 07
                0
                Concreteness is the main enemy of sweeping statements. Give examples of the fact that a particular senator or representative of the American parliament is also a businessman associated with investments in China?
                There are many shortcomings in the US political system, but flies and meatballs are separate there. Officials, senators and representatives are engaged in serving the interests of business, and not vice versa. Money separately, the state separately.
        2. E_V_N
          E_V_N April 18 2018 23: 37
          +1
          Quote: Lizzzard
          Can you imagine that the American senator was crucifying for patriotism, the Russian / Chinese threat, and he bought real estate in China, settled his family there, educated his children there? I can not.

          You can’t, but you should if at least see something other than BBS. Trump, when elected, vowed that he would return the factories of American companies from China back to the United States. Or do you and Trump not believe?
  17. Mestny
    Mestny April 18 2018 09: 23
    -1
    Quote: EvilLion
    "Today he plays jazz, and tomorrow he will sell his homeland." Apparently, the kids had to listen to some Kirkorov, or the notorious "Russian rock".

    Another one:
    Foreigners? Foreigners?
    No! From heels to eyebrows
    Our local grebes
    Homegrown Broadway!
  18. Stils
    Stils April 18 2018 09: 25
    +2
    Largely agree with the author.
    As you know, what you sow ....
    If you estimate, the parents of these adolescents have an average age of about 40 years, actually who is raising them now.
    And now let's remember in which ideological past their (parents) childhood and youth passed, i.e. personality formation.
    And then we will see a complete confusion. Elementary School in the mid-80s, October, Lenin's case, then pioneer. Something managed to instill. And here perestroika went in full. All this education in the spirit of Lenin and social justice became useless, unnecessary, and then hostile. I remind these guys at that time it was 10-12 years old. In extras, the very same skateboards, breaks, imported clothes, Japanese tape recorders began. How do you hit the psyche? Fashion for baptism, abandonment of the previous ideology. But those teens missed all this through themselves. Then a bacchanalia of the 90s, in which these young people received education, and many were no longer able to receive it, because and it fell onto commercial tracks. Remember in the 90s we didn’t hold parades; our mass media were ashamed of our Victory. And in this "atmosphere" the formation of the personality of the parents of today's adolescents was completed. Actually, these are the results of the events of 25-30 years ago and there is nothing to shed tears.
    1. Fayter2017
      Fayter2017 April 18 2018 10: 34
      +8
      Here I am just 41, daughter 14 and son 7.
      Remembering his childhood in Kiev, this is Victory Park with army porridge on May 9 and the Motherland Museum. In the pioneers sought to get into the 6th grade after the 9th grade, all this seemed to be complete nonsense, although the last tie removed. Now there is almost no time to bring up their children, where they pay money, they have to work 20 hours a day, the run of time has accelerated by 20 times compared to the Union, there is not enough time for anything, one dream is to sleep. But the Soviet school, war films and books gave, as it were, the basis with which I compare real life now and it makes Ukrainian nationalism critical of filtering out the nonsense of propaganda, by the way in Ukraine right now, as in the best years of the Union, they breathe in the activities of the authorities, sho so it’s ridiculous to compare and is also sick of artificiality. My belief is that all young people are good and in difficult times everyone will defend themselves, you just need to creatively develop ideas in the spirit of the times, computer games are playing right now, I play the tundra, I envy Russia, the creator of Wargaming is there, in Kubinka, constantly in the tank the museum holds events where a million people come well, and in this spirit in every city you can do.
      Sorry for the confusion if sho))
  19. SCHWERIN
    SCHWERIN April 18 2018 10: 16
    +2
    As a schoolboy, in Soviet times, when they were just talking about the Second World War, I asked myself the question - why don't they say anything and remember the victims and heroes of WWI? After all, my ancestors, the Russian people, fought and died there. Maybe because of this, tearing out entire layers of history from the memory of people, they got the present?
    1. Stils
      Stils April 18 2018 10: 35
      +1
      That temporary niche was filled by the heroes and winners of the Civil War, because PMV was lost. In fact, it is, and you are right, and the author did not in vain mention Lomonosov.
      1. Ryazan87
        Ryazan87 April 18 2018 12: 08
        +3
        Here are the "victories" in the Civil and have come around. At first, these “winners” over the glories of Russian arms were mocked, ruined the graves of Russian commanders, renamed everything in a row .. and now their descendants were surprised when the “return” arrived. With Clio, the jokes are bad ...
        It always seemed strange to me that the majority of modern “patriots” - love of the Motherland is an exceptionally enthusiastic and blind praise of the 20-70s of the 20th century, and military history comes down exclusively to World War II. This must be remembered, removed, broadcast, etc. And for the rest do not care from a high bell tower. Recently I read an article in the VO about the exploits of Russian machine gunners of the First World War, so there, in the comments, the “patriots” notably noted ...
        1. SCHWERIN
          SCHWERIN April 18 2018 22: 26
          0
          Not knowing history leads to errors in modern life. They rushed in 1914 to help the Serb brothers. The king imagines himself to be the savior of the Christian world. Without heavy weapons, the army entered the war. People at the emperor’s court convinced him to close state-owned military factories, saying that everything should be given to business. They say that business is better, faster, etc. Our army at first beat the enemy, but the supply of weapons and ammunition fell sharply. Effective managers sharply raised arms prices, the military department was faced with financial problems. And the Germans had heavy artillery, shells. They plowed up the positions of the Russian army. A huge number of staff officers were killed, the guards on whom the regime relied. Most of the mobilized mostly soldiers from the villages accumulated in St. Petersburg. They did not want to fight, plus agitation. Here is the revolution. There is no one to save the king.
          In the Second World War, too, ideological and loyal authorities died. And of course, the repressions affected. After the war, personnel shortages formed. The consequence is the degradation of the elite and, ultimately, the collapse of the country.
        2. E_V_N
          E_V_N April 18 2018 23: 50
          0
          Quote: Ryazanets87
          Here are the "victories" in the Civil and have come around. At first, these “winners” over the glories of Russian arms were mocked, ruined the graves of Russian commanders, renamed everything in a row .. and now their descendants were surprised when the “return” arrived. With Clio, the jokes are bad ...
          It always seemed strange to me that the majority of modern “patriots” - love of the Motherland is an exceptionally enthusiastic and blind praise of the 20-70s of the 20th century, and military history comes down exclusively to World War II. This must be remembered, removed, broadcast, etc. And for the rest do not care from a high bell tower. Recently I read an article in the VO about the exploits of Russian machine gunners of the First World War, so there, in the comments, the “patriots” notably noted ...

          A person has a temporary “memory limit” do you remember parents, grandfathers, rarely great-grandfathers all that are older than history, and there is no longer that pain and empathy. Secondly, a big trouble, pain dulls the perception of trouble and pain that are in the past. Therefore, the Second World War dulled and pushed the first world and Japanese. Such is the human nature and the point here is not at all the patriotism or obscurantism of the "patriots"
        3. EvilLion
          EvilLion April 22 2018 17: 13
          0
          What monuments did the Bolsheviks mock at?
          1. Ryazan87
            Ryazan87 April 23 2018 14: 09
            0
            All of their abuse of the graves and demolition of monuments will be difficult for me to list. But some will mention:
            1. Monument to M. D. Skobelev in Moscow
  20. Opera
    Opera April 18 2018 10: 22
    0
    Quote: Lizzzard
    Oh, these corrupting Western values: the change of power, the separation of powers, an independent court, the inviolability of private property and human rights - pah!

    I would just like to ask you a question - are you at VO for a long time or so for a couple of comments ?! Just to know in general should you answer or not?
  21. turbris
    turbris April 18 2018 10: 43
    0
    In the first place, parents should be engaged in raising children, and alas, in most cases they themselves are poorly educated or do not know what their children are doing. Therefore, the authorities and the school should deal with the military-patriotic education of the younger generation, if they would more often attract young people to care for monuments and military graves, then they would know their history more. The trouble is that schoolchildren, and especially students, are taught mainly by liberal-democratic teachers and teachers, and for them patriotic education is not important, mainly attention is paid to Anglo-Saxon “values”.
  22. populist
    populist April 18 2018 11: 03
    0
    The monument is a holy place. Any children's games at the monument are unacceptable.
    1. forty-eighth
      forty-eighth April 18 2018 11: 48
      0
      Please disclose the entire list of unacceptable things. And if it does not, then with explanations of “why” and “why”.
      1. populist
        populist April 18 2018 16: 28
        0

        forty-eighth (Dima)
        Please disclose the entire list of unacceptable things.

        I am ashamed not to know such things. Culture teaches this, if, of course, it teaches something.
        And if it does not, then with explanations of “why” and “why”.

        The monument is a place of veneration of the one to whom it is placed. A place of games cannot be a place of worship. This is elementary, but for some reason does not reach.
        1. forty-eighth
          forty-eighth April 18 2018 17: 02
          0
          So be it. And yet, you can reveal specific points? Some borderline subtle moments may not be obvious to everyone. Including me.
          For example, my father told me how my grandfather (my great-grandfather) gave a box with awards, and they ran and played war games with the kids. Is this normal or monstrous? It seems like they even managed to lose one order, the grandfather did not react in any way. In general, he did not tell a word about the war to anyone, and he kept aloof from all the events and conversations related to the war. What to do with this?
          1. populist
            populist April 18 2018 22: 47
            0
            forty-eighth (Dima
            For example, my father told me how my grandfather (my great-grandfather) gave a box with awards, and they ran and played war games with the kids. Is this normal or monstrous? It seems like they even managed to lose one order, the grandfather did not react in any way.

            Probably did not give, but gave or gave to play. Once it was discovered that one order was lost.
            How will you react if you gave it to yourself to play. Grandfather had awards (fought), uncle had awards (also fought), father had awards (not fought, soldier). They gave me a look, but never to play in the yard with the boys. Many adults had rewards. However, he never saw the boys running with them.
            A strange and unacceptable act.
            In general, he did not tell a word about the war to anyone, and he kept aloof from all the events and conversations related to the war. What to do with this?

            Many did not tell. They didn’t tell me either. It was probably hard to talk about these topics.
  23. Maria Gorina
    Maria Gorina April 18 2018 11: 24
    +1
    In Ukraine, at the memorial (a fraternal cemetery — the real burial place of soldiers and officers who died in the Second World War) —is located in the center of the city — also the kids on the greats dissected and wanted to spit on remarks — and now what? Everything is forgotten, Russia is an aggressor, there is no work, but I want to eat every day, and the contractors are paid well. This is a test: is it possible to spit on the graves of ancestors
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 April 18 2018 13: 19
      +1
      Quote: Maria Gorina
      Is it possible to spit on the graves of ancestors

      Maria, who is buried at Cape Khrustalny?
      I'm afraid to be anathematized, but back in the 80's on the Nevsky heel the boys played football with human skulls, this is a message to the patriots hungry for "blood"!
  24. akudr48
    akudr48 April 18 2018 12: 22
    +2
    Everyone decides for himself how good or bad it is.

    Why is everyone, and does society decide this question, because monuments are not only history, it is also true.

    And when our guarantor, time after time, holds parades on Krasnaya, sitting with his back to the mausoleum enclosed by plywood, the banners of the defeated Germany were thrown at the foot of it, and IV Stalin stood on the rostrum of the mausoleum, is this fact less outrageous than skateboarding at the monument in Sevastopol?

    After all, on Red Square, according to the memory of the Russian people, it’s not ridiculous teenagers who ride on it (mocking) (memory), but the highest government of the country.

    Remove the plywood from the mausoleum, then other monuments of our history will be treated differently.
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 April 18 2018 13: 22
      +2
      Quote: akudr48
      and on the rostrum of the mausoleum stood I.V. Stalin, is this a fact less disturbing

      Moreover, he also stands sideways to the Frontal Place, and there, after all, the fighter for the freedom of the people Stepan Razin was executed! The guarantor has no respect for the people !!!
      1. Opera
        Opera April 18 2018 13: 41
        0
        There is no evidence that Razin was executed on Red Square in general and on the Forehead in particular! The 1843 Story of Russia says that Razin was sent to Moscow and quartered there on the Swamp. Because he was betrayed by the church curse; his remains were buried in a Tatar cemetery, no one knows where ...
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 April 18 2018 13: 46
          +2
          Quote: Oper
          Razin was sent to Moscow and quartered there on the Swamp

          belay So the guarantor does not stand sideways to that place, but backwards? So this is generally a mockery of the history of Russia !!!!! am
    2. Serg65
      Serg65 April 18 2018 13: 23
      +1
      Quote: akudr48
      Remove the plywood from the mausoleum, then other monuments of our history will be treated differently.

      laughing Do you now even understand what you wrote ????? ETOGES must be burned so neocommunists wassat
  25. AleBors
    AleBors April 18 2018 13: 28
    +2
    I support the author. To the best of my abilities, I try to instill in children (my own and those who sometimes go to our military-industrial complex) a correct understanding of the history of Russia, the deep meaning of patriotism, a feat ..
    The benefit is only where the family at least share such views, and where all of themselves are secular and European universal people, it is very difficult to interest something there.
    State ideology is necessary.
  26. dDYHA
    dDYHA April 18 2018 15: 07
    +1
    I'm trying to interpret my godfathers and relatives. It’s going hard. But I think I'm already old and don’t understand much. I know one thing if they, together with me, will be in one trench, if that is against our Motherland.
  27. chubrik5
    chubrik5 April 18 2018 15: 31
    0
    Paradoxical situation: The more you teach young people patriotism and remind you of the heroes of the Great Patriotic War, the more they are drawn to “skate” on monuments to drive and fry barbecue on eternal flame.
  28. asp373
    asp373 April 18 2018 16: 19
    0
    I completely agree with the children. It is strange that the author did not offer to build a skate park at the American level. It's that simple.
  29. Maalkavianin
    Maalkavianin April 18 2018 16: 24
    +2
    If they vandalize a monument, litter it, paint it with paint, then they need to be dispersed. And if they just ride, let them ride themselves.
  30. igoracho
    igoracho April 18 2018 20: 19
    +2
    The article is definitely a plus, BUT. The monument was completed before we became Ukraine. I was born in Sevastopol. I live here. In the fifth grade I studied when they climbed the “Drain Sailor”. They climbed on the insides to the top. The Sailor then had no nose . And the technological entrance was left for mounting. And two years later the nose appeared. I was born in 1973
  31. igoracho
    igoracho April 18 2018 20: 23
    0
    And the site is not a site for the Russians. I HEREARDS HERE under ukroflagom. STRANGE four years at home in RUSSIA
    1. turbris
      turbris April 18 2018 20: 39
      0
      But is it really impossible to change the flag itself, can anyone teach? I would advise, but I don’t know.
  32. Author horror
    Author horror April 18 2018 20: 40
    0
    Dear author! I perfectly understand your indignation from the height of your past years, when you knew and felt the significance of this monument. However, you must understand the youth. Politics "do not touch" is far from the best consequences. Enclose the monument with barbed wire, put protection and criminal liability for penetration, and you will nurture at least fear in young people. Is it necessary? Do young people need to be afraid of this?
    Also imagine toys by significant Russian scientists. Figures of Mendeleev, Michurin, Lomonosov, Tsiolkovsky. How do you feel about the parent buying these figures for their child? After all, he can break it or even dip it in the toilet barrel. But, in my opinion, this will have a completely positive effect - a child will know from childhood that we had such scientists, unlike many of our peers.
    In many cities, young people no longer know what kind of monuments are installed near their houses, who are Marshalls Zhukov, Rokossovsky, Budyonny. And here are teenagers who know, respect and gradually absorb the spirit of the great Russian victories. Time will pass, and one of them will become more interested in the topic, will study the history of the native country, and after some time will grow up and will, like you, resent the next youth, skating where, in his opinion, silence must be strictly observed and honor the peace of the departed defenders.
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  34. VeteranVSSSR
    VeteranVSSSR April 18 2018 23: 42
    -1
    Quote: populist
    The monument is a holy place. Any children's games at the monument are unacceptable.

    Kids can’t play, but can uncles thump ???
    And it seems to me that when gathering at such places, our children / grandchildren no, no and even ask, what kind of monument? who is the monument to ???, and what are they talking about, no matter how we puff, we will never know. Maybe for this our ancestors won.
  35. Curious
    Curious April 19 2018 00: 36
    0
    It is interesting how long the material and ideological heritage of the USSR will be exploited, and even cursing it for nothing.
    About the material heritage separately, but it's time to think about the fact that the ideological heritage of the USSR also cannot be used forever. And Russia is not the USSR. In all senses. Russia is a capitalist country. Therefore, the ideological legacy of socialism cannot be adapted to capitalism. Capitalism needs a completely different ideology.
    1. E_V_N
      E_V_N April 19 2018 14: 00
      +1
      Quote: Curious
      Capitalism needs a completely different ideology.

      Capitalism just does not need ideology, what kind of ideology can a “rogue” profit from a neighbor? Capitalism lives by "concepts" and not by ideology.
      1. Curious
        Curious April 19 2018 14: 12
        +1
        You are deeply mistaken. The modern developed capitalist countries spend enormous sums of money to present capitalism as the only correct human formation in the world. They spend fabulous funds on creating all kinds of analytical centers that create an ideology of capitalism aimed at maintaining the existing order, where rich elites rule whose genealogy goes back centuries when there were kings and moneybags who got rich on the robbery of their people.
        The people must be convinced that we all living in this state are one big family and that the troubles and sufferings of the people are not alien to the government officials and elites of these states.
        It’s just that Russia is still outside this ideology, it is absent as such, as in most post-Soviet fragments. Instead, it uses all kinds of ersatz - substitutes such as "All Around Enemies" or fables about the struggle of the forces of light with legions of darkness and the like tales, tales of abominable neighbors, etc. Gradually, all this should return to normal. So far - the costs of growth, the period of accumulation of capital, and they, as you know, profit by dishonest means.
        1. victor50
          victor50 April 19 2018 16: 26
          0
          Quote: Curious
          You are deeply mistaken. The modern developed capitalist countries spend enormous sums of money to present capitalism as the only correct human formation in the world. They spend fabulous funds on creating all kinds of analytical centers that create an ideology of capitalism aimed at maintaining the existing order, where rich elites rule whose genealogy goes back centuries when there were kings and moneybags who got rich on the robbery of their people.
          The people must be convinced that we all living in this state are one big family and that the troubles and sufferings of the people are not alien to the government officials and elites of these states.
          .

          1. And where is the ideology of capitalism?
          2. But the "elite" does not need to be impressed that we are all one big family.

          Quote: Curious
          and that the troubles and sufferings of the people are not alien to the state officials and elites of these states

          3. Well, yes, they are very worried when our children are at war. Can you name the sons of several famous and wealthy, who fought, for example, in Chechnya?
          1. Curious
            Curious April 19 2018 18: 16
            0
            Victor 50, when you read, try to understand what you read.
  36. verapoops13
    verapoops13 April 19 2018 08: 49
    +3
    With some points I totally disagree. Here I am 15 years old. I belong to the category of children you write about, at least by age. Let's talk about the Internet and about parents who, as you say, gave their children into the hands of the Internet and did not engage in their spiritual education. Perhaps with children who were born a year ago in 2010, this is true, but with a generation born in 2002, and especially earlier, this was not the case. The Internet was a terrible rarity at that time and no one simply could not afford it. And my parents and all my friends are just wonderful people who raised us as patriots, and just adequate people. Of course, nature rested on some, or their parents gave the wrong education, but these people even surpass the generations of these "Internet-dependent zombies."
    What is the meaning of my words? I want to convey that the parents of the children of the 2000s absolutely did not care about their children. Together we did homework with mom and dad, together we went to the city for the holidays, watched the fireworks and shouted "Hurray !!!" I did not know about the Internet at all, it was something unearthly for us at that time.
    But there came a time when the Internet appeared in our house, and then out of interest and curiosity to gatherings on the Internet, everyone in my family became addicted, not just me. But these gatherings have always been in moderation. There was no such thing as someone depending on a computer. But now no one can imagine themselves without a smartphone and Wi-Fi. We went through the transition from the "era of television" to the "era of the Internet." And we can summarize everything by the fact that all these nonsense and stories about parents that allow their children to clog their brains from their very childhood while sitting on the Internet are complete nonsense, at least in relation to children aged 12-15 years. You can attribute this article to children who are a little younger. Here is an example of my cousin, who in 3rd grade does not know anything at all, and she does not even know how to think logically in order to solve a problem or write a small essay. Here she is a child of the Internet and she certainly doesn’t care about her country, patriotism and holidays like May 1, May 9 and others .. and yet, for those boys it just does not make sense to judge our generation. In Sevastopol, although there are many teenagers with "clogged" brains, there are still those who think sensibly, believe me!
    1. E_V_N
      E_V_N April 19 2018 14: 18
      +1
      Quote: verapoops13
      And we can summarize everything by the fact that all these nonsense and stories about parents that allow their children to clog their brains from their very childhood while sitting on the Internet are complete nonsense, at least in relation to children aged 12-15 years. You can attribute this article to children who are a little younger. Here is an example of my cousin, who in 3rd grade does not know anything at all, and she does not even know how to think logically in order to solve a problem or write a small essay. Here she is a child of the Internet and she certainly doesn’t care about her country, patriotism and holidays like May 1, May 9 and others .. and yet, for those boys it just does not make sense to judge our generation.

      Faith, not age determines patriotism, and the Internet is not an absolute evil, the problem of the Internet is different for many, the Internet replaces all alternative sources of information with its interactivity.moreover, he quickly teaches you why you need to know or learn something, you can always “peep” on the Internet. Although without knowledge, it is impossible to distinguish frank lies on the Internet, many do not think about the information, open the top link issued by Google or look at Wikipedia. And here you can push any lies to the top lines and thousands of people will perceive this as truth.
      Well, about your cousin ... I have known her for 57 years, was born and studied in the USSR without the Internet, but now ... she comes to visit and does not let go of the phone for hours, digs around, rejoices like a child with virtual gifts, I look at her and think, that’s why you came, I could just as well be sitting at home with my phone.
      So neither age nor education has anything to do with it, it’s Internet alcoholism, someone gets drunk right away, and someone for years ... little by little.
    2. dog breeder
      dog breeder April 19 2018 15: 20
      +2
      Vera! Eugene is partly right. But, just the Internet does not need to be compared with alcoholism.
      I had a teacher at the institute, he said that it was not necessary to memorize tables. You just need to be able to use directories.
      For a skilled person, the Internet is a tool, a guide, and indeed, sometimes, even a textbook. The fact that in our lives there are many Internet addicts is from lack of culture.
      I'm just wondering why his friend is constantly hanging on the Internet?
    3. Monarchist
      Monarchist April 19 2018 16: 26
      +1
      Vera, I’m much more years old, I still found: manganese, a kerosene lamp, I know iron as a victim. But in part I agree with you: earlier generations had more understanding of patriotism. I agree that very, very much depends on the parents, I would say 80% depends on the parents.
      My opinion: the more people "eat fat" the worse they are. The more a person encounters difficulties, the better he is a little man! And not everything is lost with your sister: "there are still those who think soundly" you will be able to correct. I remember for myself: telly Telecom, but the company means a lot.
  37. LIP
    LIP April 19 2018 13: 00
    0
    Oktyabryonok-pioneer-Komsomolets, and then your choice. In the ideology of the USSR, there were many +++. Therefore, our generation has grown devoted to their homeland. There were excesses, but the main line was correct. After all, even the underworld brings up its shift with a specific ideology. It's time to end with democratic permissiveness ...
    1. misti1973
      misti1973 April 21 2018 20: 46
      0
      As for the criminal world, you yourself came up with, or how?
  38. palych of the silent
    palych of the silent April 19 2018 14: 28
    +1
    When he was in Sevastopol he was surprised by the monument on Khrustalny, namely, which direction he was looking at. After years of arrival, I’ve already turned to the sea. At least that’s good.
  39. Monarchist
    Monarchist April 19 2018 16: 28
    +1
    Quote: E_V_N
    Quote: verapoops13
    And we can summarize everything by the fact that all these nonsense and stories about parents that allow their children to clog their brains from their very childhood while sitting on the Internet are complete nonsense, at least in relation to children aged 12-15 years. You can attribute this article to children who are a little younger. Here is an example of my cousin, who in 3rd grade does not know anything at all, and she does not even know how to think logically in order to solve a problem or write a small essay. Here she is a child of the Internet and she certainly doesn’t care about her country, patriotism and holidays like May 1, May 9 and others .. and yet, for those boys it just does not make sense to judge our generation.

    Faith, not age determines patriotism, and the Internet is not an absolute evil, the problem of the Internet is different for many, the Internet replaces all alternative sources of information with its interactivity.moreover, he quickly teaches you why you need to know or learn something, you can always “peep” on the Internet. Although without knowledge, it is impossible to distinguish frank lies on the Internet, many do not think about the information, open the top link issued by Google or look at Wikipedia. And here you can push any lies to the top lines and thousands of people will perceive this as truth.
    Well, about your cousin ... I have known her for 57 years, was born and studied in the USSR without the Internet, but now ... she comes to visit and does not let go of the phone for hours, digs around, rejoices like a child with virtual gifts, I look at her and think, that’s why you came, I could just as well be sitting at home with my phone.
    So neither age nor education has anything to do with it, it’s Internet alcoholism, someone gets drunk right away, and someone for years ... little by little.

    100% YES
  40. Vittt
    Vittt April 19 2018 16: 46
    +1
    [quote = Guardamir] [quote]
    And now, after 2014, the suddenly wealthy Aksyonov Family dreams of demolishing a monument to Lenin in Simferopol. [/ Quote]
    I understand that the monuments of "Lenin" are part of the international cultural heritage anywhere.
  41. Normal ok
    Normal ok April 21 2018 20: 01
    +1
    As a result, the term "Pepsi generation" appeared.

    This term was coined by V. Pelevin, to refer to the generation that grew up in the time frame of 1979. (the appearance of Pepsi in the USSR) - 1991. (collapse of the USSR). The term has nothing to do with "Western upbringing."
    Understanding the philosophy of surfing, I found articles with headings in the spirit of "Surfing - the art of being happy."

    In the Internet you can find a lot of different nonsense. If you follow this logic, then any individual sport is solid individualism and consumerism.
    The main thing is to educate the younger generation in respect for their own history! This is really important and it is clearly lame.
  42. misti1973
    misti1973 April 21 2018 20: 39
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    The impression is twofold. About WWII everything is true, but what does the skate have to do with it? Subculture? Maybe. But why is it bad? Let them ride if they like! And if they ride at the monument, it is doubly symbolic. For the sake of the children being able to grow quietly, our soldiers gave their lives!
  43. pticas
    pticas April 22 2018 07: 24
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    I had doubts when reading a good article about the place of its writing.
    “The unfinished museum was conceived according to the project of the Kiev Design Institute in the form of a three-beam structure, the metal spans of which in recent years of Ukraine were cut and turned into scrap metal. Such a fate befell any military object of the Crimea, including“ Object 221 ”(Laspi) and the casemates of the 35th battery. "
    Object 221 is located in Alsou (d. Morozovka), and not in Laspi!
    In the 35th battery there is a memorial complex and metal was not cut there for 30 years! Similar casemates where the metal has been stolen in recent years, "Battery Drapushko in Balaclava"!
    "Was there a boy?" M. Gorky.
  44. Tolyamba Zamkadsky
    Tolyamba Zamkadsky April 22 2018 12: 10
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    Quote: dog breeder
    Four years after Crimea moved to Russia

    This is not the point at all. In Russia there are such kids even to hell.
  45. Misha bolshoy
    Misha bolshoy April 22 2018 13: 49
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    If parents have no time to entertain children ... Pokémon come to the rescue!
  46. Vladimir0001
    Vladimir0001 April 23 2018 09: 39
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    It is necessary to erect normal monuments, and not idiotic, giants not needed by anyone. Well, at least the children play in the midst of this ugly ugliness ...