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Hit Disgraced. Calm down!

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Four morning in the morning to the Western aggressors ... The 103 missiles headed for Syria to become a symbol of American power. But either power was not the same, or the wrong goal was chosen, but somehow it came out very sluggishly and unconvincingly. As one US president accurately said, “very stupid people” still could not find a common language with Russia and went into further confrontation. 32 rocket still flew to the ground ... The earth, which has already experienced the explosions of thousands of tons of ammunition and which is no surprise.



At a time when Russia is truly unpredictable, the United States is trying only to create an image of unpredictability by a series of non-consecutive actions. 24, 48, 96 hours passed after ultimatums and threats from the US leadership, but no strikes followed. It seemed that 22 targets in Syria also burst as well as 20 targets in the DPRK. Well, or as Trump's military threats to Venezuela ... But the aggression did happen.

Good, new and "smart" rockets did not scare anyone. Good, new and "smart" missiles successfully demonstrated their "effectiveness" earlier, when half of them did not reach Shairat. More “successful” is good, new and “smart” American weapon It manifested itself in Rakka and Mosul, when only months of bombardment and practically erased quarters could ensure the passage of the American coalition and the American special forces. The main thing that pleases is that now no one died.

Every single good, new and “smart” missile turned out to be old, long-known versions of cruise missiles and high-precision free-falling ammunition. The GBU-38 guidance device is manufactured from 2004, the bomb has a range of 64 – 96 km. JR JASSM AGM-158 c 1998 year range to 1000 km. Even deeply modernized “Tomahawks” remain “Tomahawks”, which do not represent the competition of X-101 / X-102 or “Petrel” in range, and the accuracy of all modern CRs is about the same. Britain showed all 4 Tornado on 2 missiles on each. The formal participation of the British Air Force and the French Air Force and the French Navy showed StormShadow missiles, which are produced from 2002 year and have a maximum range of 500-550 km. Unfortunately, Macron was not affected by the conversation with Putin. His missiles did not remain in France and began to explode shamefully in the Syrian sky. Total from France was 12 missiles.



The entry of B-1B bombers by the US Air Force from Jordan and Iraq is very logical. Not from Ingirlik as they go for understandable political and military reasons. Moreover, the nearest bases with B-1B are Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar and Diego Garcia in the center of the Indian Ocean. It is logical to assume that in addition to the B-1B bombers, as well as the F-16 and F-15, which most likely mostly covered the B-1B, there were also reconnaissance aircraft, as well as American drones.

If to be honest, the Western means of attack destroyed not just the Soviet complexes, but the Russian complexes modernized by Russia. Although nothing new in principle from the Soviet era, the US KR and high-precision bombs will not offer in the fight against air defense. Moreover, the goal was not clearly to destroy the Syrian air defense. The C-125 was upgraded to the Pechora-2M version and lit up at the 2012 training year. Syria also received 4 newer Buk-M2 batteries back in 2010-2011. In repelling the attack, the most interesting is the fact that 2013 ZRPK Pantsir-С36 were supplied to 1.



Hit Disgraced. Calm down!


Russia did not participate in repelling the attack and, most likely, was notified by the aggressors in advance. It is possible that the notification via closed channels and timely intelligence from the Russian Defense Ministry allowed the SAR to avoid losses at these sites. Once again, it is worth recalling that the C-400 CR is not capable of knocking down at the maximum radar distance, even with the 40B6M tower and in flat terrain. Elementary geometry works here. Still, the earth is round ... Objects at a height of about 100 meters can be seen from a height of 25 meters 40B6M at a distance of 60 km. It is easier to work with GBU-38 type bombs because of the high drop height, predictable trajectory and lower speed. Shoot down high-flying planes of a potential enemy C-400 can both over Al-Tanf and Lebanon, and over Cyprus.





Of course, it is hardly necessary to explain how much it would be necessary to use chemical weapons against militants who agreed to go away. As if Assad was defending himself in the Duma with his last strength, and around him the democratic opposition with civilians is being poisoned by a “novice”, “sarin”, “chlorine”, etc. It is hardly necessary to explain why the Syrian capital after the attacks on the “warehouses with chemical weapons” no poison cloud enveloped. Well, since all the participants in the aggression refused to admit that at least one rocket had been destroyed, one should expect that the "white helmets" will have to quickly draw huge chemical weapons stores, above which huge poisonous clouds rise. And the Pentagon’s version that the Tomahawks and 1 AGM-57 19 “Tomahawks” and 158 AGM-XNUMX fell on the Syrian research complex in Barz with an area of ​​just XNUMX per hectare. Yes, and local residents, Russian correspondents, workers, dismantling debris and just onlookers do not pour water on each other from the hoses ...

But what could really stop the Americans in Syria forever, forcing them to abandon the pretexts for aggression? In a situation where a potential victim does not have nuclear weapons, like the DPRK, Syria could be helped only by concluding a union treaty in which Russia and the SAR will oblige to protect each other from any external threats. This could force the West to abandon any actions in Syria, force Erdogan to forget about ground operations, and Israel to stop rocket attacks. However, all this looks unlikely in the current conditions with the actual presence of foreign troops in Syria.

Without a full-scale ground operation by the current army of the United States, Turkey and Israel, strikes or even prolonged bombardment of the Syrian army will not help pro-American militants to control most of the densely populated west of Syria. Even if there are more missiles in 10. Half a year of bombing provided a bloody victory for terrorists in Libya in conditions of isolated cities in the desert and many times smaller army than in Syria. Then Libya collapsed 25 times more ammunition. Present such or the more land operation is now unlikely. This is even less likely under conditions where the Russian military are dispersed throughout almost the entire territory of Syria. And this means that neither Bashar Asad nor his army will disappear from the board in the Middle East for many, many years.



It is time for Russia to move away from an exclusively peacekeeping position with respect to the West and, besides strong diplomatic actions, carry out others. The attack was unsuccessful or just formal, but the failure of Western aggression and the effective work of the Syrian air defense can not be any answer. Therefore, a typical response should be provided for the pro-American militant-controlled areas of Syria, including with the participation of Russia. In the conditions of the smoothed province of Damascus, the Syrian army freed up enough forces to destroy the entire land group of terrorists trained by the Americans in the south-east of Homs following the Golan Heights. Syrian air defense systems can now more often demonstrate their capabilities not only on missiles, but also on planes and UAVs, as was the case with the Israeli F-16.

We remember how the West was lost, having received a strong slap in the face of Russia's sharp and bold actions in the Crimea. Then the West remained only "deep concern", stirred by sanctions. The latter would be altogether ineffective with a more correct domestic economic policy. And let it be a hint of other, more near-by theaters of hostilities outside the Middle East, which have recently been activated before the World Cup. Such zones along our border without a fundamental resolution of the issue are a convenient tool for the West to try to stick a stick at the "bear".



Not from the best side yet Erdogan shows himself. Still, it was worth it before this character’s generous forgiveness to force him to drastically change his position on the Crimea and the so-called “buffer zones” in Syria, which he, after improving relations, essentially occupied and is not going to return. With the contract for C-400, too, obviously got excited. What to say about Israel, which attacks Syria regularly and before the main blow, struggled to curry favor with the US ... Apparently, the US’s recognition of the capital and support on the Palestinian issue for the country is more important than relations with Russia.

America Trump has not turned off the oncoming lane. She frantically rushes about, clutching the gas pedal with her hands, and the wheel with her teeth. Or maybe America is not Trump at all? Maybe we are talking about an aging elite, judging by the absolutely unchangeable hostile foreign policy. Elite, which itself is doomed because of its inability to see how the world has changed, while they relished the victory over the “evil empire”. Or maybe not the elite at all, but a bunch of old marasmic individuals who live in fears and inflated delusions of grandeur, who frantically try to maintain their influence? All these reflections on the subject of “maybe so, and maybe not so” began the United States itself due to the complete absence of a progressive strategy.

But, on the other hand, it cannot but rejoice that the grandiose aggression of the USA with millions of victims was replaced by petty banditry in the international arena at the level of what the IDF or the Turkish army is doing. It is already safe to say that there is the first country that has stood up both against the “color revolution”, thousands of pocket terrorists, and against direct aggression by the West. Yes, this is Syria!
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  1. Vard
    Vard April 16 2018 05: 52
    +4
    What pleases .. Despite all the noise, ours withstood and hit on their own terms ... This ensured victory for themselves ...
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather April 16 2018 05: 54
      +19
      Quote: Vard
      What pleases .. Despite all the noise, ours withstood and hit on their own terms ... This ensured victory for themselves ...

      what ...? expand the topic please. it turned out: "I also successfully went yesterday .." - and where, how and why, is unclear.
    2. tlauicol
      tlauicol April 16 2018 06: 42
      +13
      Quote: Vard
      What pleases .. Despite all the noise, ours withstood and hit on their own terms ... This ensured victory for themselves ...


      yeah, Shoigu reports on "victory"
    3. siberalt
      siberalt April 16 2018 07: 42
      +8
      "Syria held out first." And is it not because it survived that Russia first began to defend its interests beyond its borders? winked
      1. Airdefence_107
        April 16 2018 14: 54
        0
        Therefore, but I will also remind you of the existence of another example nearby. Which gave up so quickly that Russia had time to react only in the Crimea.
    4. Vend
      Vend April 16 2018 08: 48
      +9
      Maybe we are talking about an aging elite, judging by the absolutely unchanged hostile foreign policy. The elite, which itself is doomed by the inability to see how the world has changed, while they relished the victory over the "evil empire."
      Author to the point. There is nothing to add.
    5. the most important
      the most important April 16 2018 10: 11
      +9
      Quote: Vard
      What pleases .. Despite all the noise, ours withstood and hit on their own terms ... This ensured victory for themselves ...

      That's sometimes just shocked by the comments. Although, maybe it's just such a sense of humor? Then, of course, she won! It’s just not clear where they hit that?
      In this situation, it is necessary to consider several results of the strike, so to speak "in the directions". Military. Of course, the result is almost zero. Although they did not announce how much the total number of missiles and bombs was, probably about 150-200. They say that 71 missiles were shot down, and there is no information about the bombs. But in war, no one can be trusted. Maybe they shot down, maybe not ... It is likely that the air defense systems had our military in Syrian form. Then it is more likely that many missiles did not reach. The economic. There are also no particular successes. Everything is already destroyed there, so one more shed, one less, the difference is not big. But this is not the main thing. The main thing is political results.. And here are the different components. Syria was not afraid and responded with fire - it is a huge plus! But what about the actions of Russia? Imagine that there are three entrances in the same house and there live three directors of competing firms with subordinates and employees. One is clearly out of his mind ... Drunkards and cockroaches from his apartment run around the house. Subordinates are afraid of him and assent in everything. The rest are sometimes outraged. And so, one madam, who was tired of what the cockroaches are around, decided to resist and called the drunk dog. The drunk pounced on a showdown, but Madame, knowing that her neighbor also does not like cockroaches and at home at the same time, promised that if a drunk just knocks on the door, a couple of times to hit the drunk with a cast-iron skillet in his skull, and then put it flat in his mouth .. Her neighbor supported the idea. The wino immediately changed his mind. And stumbled into another staircase to show how cool he is. They, too, did not like cockroaches and even beat them with a slipper, accusing them that it was the drunk who bred them. The drunk came, broke into the apartment, abused the mistress and left contented and happy. And her husband at that time, grabbed a knife and locked himself in the pantry, promising to solve everything if he was touched. Well, who will respect him now? Although, many of his subordinates do not stop saying that the furniture is intact, and nothing particularly happened to his wife ... But who else is besides the subordinates? right, no one ... What Kazakhstan demonstrated the next day when voting in the Security Council. This is the main goal of the strike and it is fully achieved.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 April 16 2018 10: 34
        +17
        Quote: the most important
        The drunk came, broke into the apartment, abused the mistress and left contented and happy. And her husband at that time, grabbed a knife and locked himself in the pantry, promising to solve everything if he was touched. Well, who will respect him now?

        Judging by the comments, Jack Golovan and Alexander Romanov!
        Three days ago, many people shouted at Trump, who got scared and will not hit, because he is afraid of the consequences, how cool we are! But, Trump hit. Now they are yelling: - Trump is disgraced, Trump went bankrupt on impact and the missiles did not reach their goals! Hooray, we won again !! In order not to happen in the kingdom of crooked mirrors, always: - We won! Here is an example:
        Quote: Vard
        ours withstood and struck on their own terms ... This secured a victory for themselves ...

        Just do not understand your who it is, if only the Americans and their allies hit?
        1. Mestny
          Mestny April 16 2018 11: 20
          +4
          Where does such adolescent categoricality come from?
          So hit that it would be better not to start. These are sane people, not capital trolls, and fighters with the regime are clearly understood.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 16 2018 13: 16
          +3
          Quote: Stas157

          Judging by the comments, Jack Golovan and Alexander Romanov!

          Here you are yaping something over, I wrote everywhere that Trump will hit.
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 April 17 2018 05: 58
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            you yap something over

            You'll see yap in the mirror! At first he demanded my address, threatened to come, but when he received it he merged. Sashok, all you have is to bend your fingers on the Internet, no more.
            I, because of this instance, received a lesser warning. And this instance, unless obscenities swear here, and like water off a goose!
      2. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack April 16 2018 10: 37
        +8
        Quote: the most important
        The drunk came, broke into the apartment, abused the mistress and left contented and happy

        Not this way. “Drunk” for a long time threatened to “come”, then spat, shit in the elevator (everyone saw), and dumped back home.
        Now the drunk may have problems with the precinct wink
        Quote: Stas157
        Judging by the comments, Jack Golovan

        Staseg, I repeat for the hundredth time - you are not an engineer. Your thinking is completely absent, alone, ahem, emotions laughing
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 April 16 2018 10: 46
          +8
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Staseg, I repeat for the hundredth time - you are not an engineer.

          Soon you will be repeating this for the thousandth time. What result does the patient want to achieve?
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          You have no thinking at all, alone, ahem, emotions laughing

          I know that you see a lot in the hospital differently.
          1. Anti-Corr.
            Anti-Corr. April 16 2018 11: 15
            +13
            Quote: Stas157
            I know that you see a lot in the hospital differently.

            They were shown yesterday the "new" film studio "Def"
            "Chingachgook the big snake"! , all patients applauded vigorously and requested a third injection.
        2. SPACE
          SPACE April 16 2018 13: 13
          +2
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Staseg, I repeat for the hundredth time - you’re not an engineer

          With some engineer lol like with saxaul chiffoner wassat
        3. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 16 2018 13: 19
          +5
          Quote: Golovan Jack

          Staseg, I repeat for the hundredth time - you are not an engineer.

          Yes, he generally nikakoyoi, turns around, lies insolent.
          1. saigon
            saigon April 16 2018 17: 10
            +1
            You and him are careful to give warnings for him for 157
      3. Airdefence_107
        April 16 2018 15: 48
        0
        103 ammunition including those very bombs GBU-38. Knocked 71.
        In world politics, we are not obliged to respond to the actions of the aggressor here and now, since this is often included in the plans of the aggressor. Especially in the face of possible nuclear escalation.
  2. uporov65
    uporov65 April 16 2018 05: 53
    +2
    The existing alignment is clearly not in our favor. There are clearly not enough military bases in China in the SAR. But we are still in the game, and the next move is for GDP.
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 16 2018 06: 00
      +5
      Quote: uporov65
      There are clearly not enough military bases in China in the SAR.

      Chur-chur, they weren’t enough there yet ... China only had a "claw" to run there, so it would crawl through. You just think, Assad said that Syria needs 400 billion dollars, for restoration, we don’t have that kind of money, the “Western world” will not give Assad it, but China can do it. And if this happens, then not to Iran, not to us in Syria there simply will not be a place ...
      1. lance
        lance April 16 2018 08: 12
        0
        stupid thing. if the PRC gets into our bases there it will become easier, and more significant. the Chinese will pave their silk way there much faster.
        1. svp67
          svp67 April 16 2018 08: 19
          +6
          Quote: Lance
          if the PRC gets into our bases there it will become easier

          For a short time, maybe yes, but then they simply will not be there. And what's more, all our investments in Syria will simply go into the sand. Chinese comrades are very aggressive, they crowd out everyone. And they are well aware that in the dialectic of the development of Empires, our “situational partnership” can end very quickly. And then a lot depends on who remains with what.
          1. lance
            lance April 16 2018 08: 45
            0
            a short time is 50-60 years, for our "secondary engineering" bridges, power plants, etc. he is not a competitor, but everything else is good for him
            1. svp67
              svp67 April 16 2018 09: 08
              0
              Quote: Lance
              a short time is 50-60 years,

              No, much less ... significantly. The dialectic of the development of the Chinese New Empire, simply does not give us such a time.
        2. the most important
          the most important April 16 2018 12: 59
          +2
          Quote: Lance
          stupid thing. if the PRC gets into our bases there it will become easier, and more significant. the Chinese will pave their silk way there much faster.

          If 100 Chinese move into your apartment, then there will be many products in your refrigerator too! But you can’t eat them ...
        3. New Year day
          New Year day April 16 2018 14: 58
          +1
          Quote: Lance
          the Chinese will pave their silk way there much faster.

          without Russia
      2. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn April 16 2018 10: 20
        +2
        Quote: svp67
        Chur-chur, they weren’t enough there yet ... China only had a "claw" to run there, so it would crawl through. You just think, Assad said that Syria needs 400 billion dollars, for restoration, we don’t have that kind of money, the “Western world” will not give Assad it, but China can do it. And if this happens, then not to Iran, not to us in Syria there simply will not be a place ...
        I apologize, what then does Assad do? Leave the country in ruins? It’s more logical to let the Chinese come to us, since we don’t have money, and no one else will give. The question is, why did we get in there if others will use the fruits ?!
        1. svp67
          svp67 April 16 2018 10: 55
          +3
          Quote: Stirbjorn
          The question is, why did we get in there if others will use the fruits ?!

          The question is VERY logical and timely.
      3. Airdefence_107
        April 16 2018 15: 22
        +1
        China does nothing without its own benefit. And it certainly does nothing on such a scale for one state. Even for Russia. The maximum that Syria can expect from China in the near future is a couple of billion dollars of investments. But the main thing is not at the expense of Russia's positions.

        "According to the 2016 directory of the year, the total amount of Chinese investment abroad amounted to 2015 year 145,67 billion dollars."
    2. BAI
      BAI April 16 2018 08: 51
      +3
      The supply routes of the Russian group are cut at times. Blockade week - everyone can be taken warm without ammunition, fuel and food.
      1. svp67
        svp67 April 16 2018 09: 09
        +4
        Quote: BAI
        Blockade week - everyone can be taken warm without ammunition, fuel and food.

        You might think that this week our aircraft will be idle.
  3. svp67
    svp67 April 16 2018 05: 57
    +1
    It is worth recalling once again that the S-400 is not capable of shooting down the KR at the maximum range of the radar, even with the 40B6M tower and in flat terrain. Elementary geometry works here. Still, the earth is round ...
    And what was our A-50 couple doing at that moment? Not really sitting on the ground ....
    1. tlauicol
      tlauicol April 16 2018 06: 45
      +1
      and what, are the A-50s capable of guiding SAMs?
      1. svp67
        svp67 April 16 2018 06: 49
        +1
        Quote: Tlauicol
        and what, are the A-50s capable of guiding SAMs?

        As far as I know, one of them is modernized and what it is capable of, we do not know for sure ...
        1. tlauicol
          tlauicol April 16 2018 06: 53
          0
          "we have evidence, but they are very secret, as soon as new facts appear, we will present them. but we are sure that .."
          um, somewhere I already heard it
          1. svp67
            svp67 April 16 2018 08: 22
            +4
            Quote: Tlauicol
            um, somewhere I already heard it

            At briefings in the White House of the United States, in England, and in many NATO countries. They like to refer to the "secrecy" of the information received there. I know that in Syria we have two A-50s, one of them is modernized, but honestly I don’t know what it can do. I can only suspect and guess.
        2. lance
          lance April 16 2018 08: 13
          +2
          track the flight of toms and its destruction-100%
        3. andj61
          andj61 April 16 2018 11: 23
          +3
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: Tlauicol
          and what, are the A-50s capable of guiding SAMs?

          As far as I know, one of them is modernized and what it is capable of, we do not know for sure ...

          Target designation for air defense systems can give out, but inducing missiles - it is doubtful.
          Although - this issue is also resolved. hi
          1. lance
            lance April 16 2018 19: 10
            0
            can give target designation for su-57, su-34su35, s-400
  4. Ihrek
    Ihrek April 16 2018 06: 08
    +4
    This hit was a good advertisement for our missile defense systems. I think the dividends as new orders will not be long in coming.
    1. G A_2
      G A_2 April 16 2018 12: 59
      +6
      Advertising will be when the facts of the downing of the Tomahawks are shown. Out of 71, they haven’t shown anything yet. Show must obligatory if actually shot down and not in words. The Americans said that not one was shot down, so you must definitely show at least a few shot down. Otherwise, it will be difficult for our MO to believe
      1. New Year day
        New Year day April 16 2018 15: 12
        +1
        Quote: G A_2
        Otherwise, it will be difficult for our MO to believe

        The discrepancies in the versions of Moscow and Washington cannot be explained; this is possible in the case of agreements. Then everyone really declares themselves winners, and it is impossible to verify this.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack April 16 2018 15: 18
          +2
          Quote: Silvestr
          Discrepancies in versions of Moscow and Washington cannot be explained

          IMHO easy. There is nothing like leather.
          Quote: Silvestr
          it is possible in case of agreements

          What, excuse me, is the connection? belay
          Quote: Silvestr
          Then everyone really declares themselves winners, and it is impossible to verify

          Fuck you are not in shape today request
          1. New Year day
            New Year day April 16 2018 16: 58
            +2
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            What, excuse me, is the connection?

            to whom and where to bullet
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Fuck you are not in shape today

            so I’m going on the road, jumped on a bit, what's new.
            I will correct hi
    2. New Year day
      New Year day April 16 2018 15: 14
      +5
      Quote: Ihrek
      This hit was a good advertisement for our missile defense systems.

      outdated? So far, no one can say how many KR were released and how many are destroyed. Everyone lies and no one will prove anything.
      In order for the Russian version to find all the wreckage of the Kyrgyz Republic, but you will never distinguish the wreckage of the Kyrgyz Republic that hit the target from the wreckage of a missile that did not hit the target.
      On the other hand, 76 CDs per object are beyond the bounds of understanding expediency. And whether there were 76 or not, the States will not say. And such unprovability suits everyone.
  5. Alexander War
    Alexander War April 16 2018 06: 54
    +2
    Here the air defense did not work at all, given the location of the residential areas We will see what happens next
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 16 2018 07: 08
    +5
    replaced by petty banditry in the international arena
    Maybe so. But sometimes this "petty banditry" can lead to grave consequences with an unpredictable outcome.
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 April 16 2018 07: 18
      +3
      hi ! It’s necessary to beat the gangs, do not forgive ... because this audience is especially aware of the slack of those who are being attacked. And vice versa, as soon as a rebuff is given, they scatter or surrender ...
  7. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 16 2018 07: 16
    +1
    But, on the other hand, it cannot but rejoice that the grandiose US aggressions with millions of victims have been replaced petty banditry in the international arena at the level of what the IDF or the Turkish army are doing.

    Bandits were also always shot, if they themselves did not give up ... angry
    1. lance
      lance April 16 2018 08: 31
      +3
      Knowing the results of the missile attack, let’s say Assad responded with bastions on ships and upgraded slopes in Cyprus and US bases in Syria. Who would be Assad on Sunday morning with an ally of the Russian Federation? you don’t have to be a great expert to understand, defensive tactics have won. 2 destroyers cannot use tangible damage without using yao.
  8. Cynic
    Cynic April 16 2018 07: 43
    0
    The only sound thing: To conclude a mutual assistance agreement ...
    Only if Assad will do this, and ours ... While we are helping there against ISIS, the rest are out of the picture, after concluding a contract with all the growth of the problem with uninvited guests_Turkey, USA ...
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather April 16 2018 09: 10
      +1
      Quote: Cynic
      The only sound thing: To conclude a mutual assistance agreement ..

      this means, have to answer. Will the Russian authorities go for it? no. home, children, money ...
      1. Cynic
        Cynic April 16 2018 10: 44
        +1
        Quote: Dead Day
        it means, have to answer.

        Why? Take a look around when, now, was someone responsible for something?
        Maybe we don’t conclude, after all, the Russian Federation is not the USSR and such a burden is NOT yet within the reach?
        Or is such a thought off topic?
      2. Mestny
        Mestny April 16 2018 11: 30
        0
        They will go - such as you will lament that this is an adventure and down with the regime.
        They won’t go - people like you will scream that the regime was scared, down with the regime.
        You do not have many options.
        And the caravan is coming.
  9. Rey_ka
    Rey_ka April 16 2018 08: 17
    +2
    It's time to let out information that Trump is still ours.
  10. Rey_ka
    Rey_ka April 16 2018 08: 40
    +3
    Why not shot down 100%? It seems that everything is simple: the expected number of missiles throughout the active coalition contingent is about 500 missiles. The Syrians were not able to cover everything, so they concentrated on missile-hazardous areas and spent it sparingly (while the time for reloading is not 1 minute)
  11. Moore
    Moore April 16 2018 08: 48
    +7
    Good, new and smart rockets didn't scare anyone
    .
    I believe this goal was not set. If there was a “contract” and hit empty empty boxes, the result is still the following:
    - the striped showed that they will do whatever they want in the world and the UN will help them in this (we look at the failure of the Russian Federation’s resolution on the UN strike);
    -RF allowed to be proud of their means of air defense.
    Equal profit? Not at all.
    The attack was unsuccessful or just formal, but the failure of Western aggression and the effective work of Syrian air defense cannot be any answer.
    .
    I absolutely agree with this. The future will show whether some front of Independent Something will unmask the American or French base in Syria (I personally would choose the paddling pools - and instructively, and bring a little bit of peace to the “winners of Gaddafi”), or somewhere quite elsewhere in the ball there will be an incident with some striped bowl.
    But for all this we need: steel, alloyed will and ... they, yes, these very same ...
    For this rudeness must somehow be stopped, and for a long time.
    1. lance
      lance April 16 2018 09: 09
      +1
      all the same, in this case, rudeness turned out to be a simple meow, what will happen next
    2. Airdefence_107
      April 16 2018 15: 01
      +1
      Hit obviously not only on empty boxes. No one agreement does not exclude and apparently the agreement was primarily about the extent of the blow. And to prepare a larger-scale strike in such a short time without AUGs and the transfer of a large number of aircraft is impossible. But they tried to damage the military infrastructure. We know that even 3 Israeli rockets that reached T-4 led to destruction and casualties. What to say about 10-12 ...
  12. BAI
    BAI April 16 2018 08: 48
    +2
    Failure ended the test of a new "smart" weapons in the United States. The smart bomb flatly refused to detach from the carrier aircraft.
  13. andrew42
    andrew42 April 16 2018 09: 16
    +4
    "Victory, dad! - Well, no. Not yet a victory .." This is about ".. the first country to withstand both the" color revolution ", thousands of pocket terrorists and the direct aggression of the West. Yes, this is Syria ! " There is no reason for joy. We must prepare for a harsh limited war in the Eastern Mediterranean, with few resources, surrounded by a flock of powerful enemies. As long as we don’t let the aggressors bleed blood, they won’t calm down. Better a good stop blow to the nose now than a full-blown mesilovy later. I don’t know how it is with the American flyers, but the British and the Macronites had to be shot down like hell. You can’t slam Sherkhan, - the jackal ivies. Under the conditions of economic pressure from the “shitty west”, they will no longer let us become stronger in the military-economic sense. The plane of the "coalition", which launched a missile on the territory of the SAR, should go astray at the first possible occasion.
  14. Snakebyte
    Snakebyte April 16 2018 09: 18
    +1
    And then the Pentagon’s version that as many as 1 Tomahawks and 57 AGM-19 fell on the Syrian research complex in Barz with an area of ​​only 158 hectare looks a bit strange.

    Why is that strange? 1 ha = 10000 m2. The radius of guaranteed destruction for a 450-kg warhead is about 10 m (the goal is concrete buildings, not a living force in the field). Approximately 100 m2. Given that the target does not occupy the entire area, and the Kyrgyz Republic was launched “with a margin” in case of opposition or simply technical losses, the outfit of forces looks quite adequate.
    1. konstantin68
      konstantin68 April 16 2018 09: 53
      +2
      Quote: Snakebyte
      The radius of the guaranteed destruction for a 450 kg warhead is about 10 m (the goal is concrete buildings, not a living force in the field)

      Immediately recalled: "... the tank is designed for 10 minutes of battle ...". Where do you get such data?
      1. Snakebyte
        Snakebyte April 16 2018 10: 41
        0
        There is no specific data on Tomahawk, I took it for the FAB-500

        - radius of the threshold lesion zone: 38,2 m (light concussion).
        - radius of the zone of minimal impact on the person: 152,1 m (ringing in the ears).
        - radius of total destruction zone: 21,9 m (collapse of all elements of buildings and structures, including basements).

        The FAB-500 has 256 kg of explosives, the Tomahawk has 127 kg. Accordingly, we reduce the radius by about half.
        1. konstantin68
          konstantin68 April 16 2018 11: 42
          +1
          Quote: Snakebyte
          Tomahawk - 127 kg

          And why not 300 in the OF version?
          1. Snakebyte
            Snakebyte April 16 2018 11: 46
            0
            Purely high-explosive warhead at the Tomahawk no. There is a semi-armor-proof warhead against concrete buildings / bunkers, there is a cassette for work on areas (for example, runways).
            1. konstantin68
              konstantin68 April 16 2018 11: 51
              +1
              Once again I ask, where do you read this?
              Quote: Snakebyte
              Purely high explosive warhead at "Tomahawk" no
              1. Snakebyte
                Snakebyte April 16 2018 13: 12
                +1
                http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/bgm109c
                _d / bgm109c_d.shtml
                The strategic non-nuclear missile launcher BGM-109C is equipped with a single-unit (semi-armor-piercing) warhead, and the BGM-109D has a cluster which includes up to 166 small-caliber bombs BLU-97B of combined action (each weighing 1.5 kg) in 24 bundles.
                1. konstantin68
                  konstantin68 April 16 2018 15: 00
                  +1
                  Oh come on! This is just an auxiliary option. The main ones are: Block2 and Block3 — just with the OF warhead. This is so, offhand, I think if you google it, you can find it in more detail.
                  1. Snakebyte
                    Snakebyte April 16 2018 20: 15
                    0
                    In block 2, the accuracy of the guidance system was improved.
                    In block 3, increased range due to ... reducing the weight of the warhead.
                    1. konstantin68
                      konstantin68 April 17 2018 09: 20
                      +1
                      Keep insisting that the warhead is not on the axes? Amen!
                      1. Snakebyte
                        Snakebyte April 17 2018 19: 04
                        0
                        I continue to insist that there are no 300 kg of explosives in the warhead. Especially “almost half a ton” voiced by Konashenkov.
    2. Grim Reaper
      Grim Reaper April 16 2018 10: 19
      +3
      Quote: Snakebyte
      And then the Pentagon’s version that as many as 1 Tomahawks and 57 AGM-19 fell on the Syrian research complex in Barz with an area of ​​only 158 hectare looks a bit strange.

      Why is that strange? 1 ha = 10000 m2. The radius of guaranteed destruction for a 450-kg warhead is about 10 m (the goal is concrete buildings, not a living force in the field). Approximately 100 m2. Given that the target does not occupy the entire area, and the Kyrgyz Republic was launched “with a margin” in case of opposition or simply technical losses, the outfit of forces looks quite adequate.

      Have you ever seen what is happening on an area of ​​1 ha after an explosion of 500 kg?
      I'm fucking crazy about similar comments.
      1. Snakebyte
        Snakebyte April 16 2018 11: 06
        0
        In order not to get green, enlighten.
        Warhead "Tomahawk" contains 127 kg of explosives.
        What do they write about the use of bombs in Afghanistan?
        Despite the spectacular explosion, the guaranteed zone of defeat of the enemy did not exceed 60 m, shell force injuries were received in a radius of up to 225 m.

        This is about the FAB-9000 bomb. I write: Nine thousand.
        1. Grim Reaper
          Grim Reaper April 16 2018 18: 43
          +1
          Quote: Snakebyte
          In order not to get green, enlighten.
          Warhead "Tomahawk" contains 127 kg of explosives.
          What do they write about the use of bombs in Afghanistan?
          Despite the spectacular explosion, the guaranteed zone of defeat of the enemy did not exceed 60 m, shell force injuries were received in a radius of up to 225 m.

          This is about the FAB-9000 bomb. I write: Nine thousand.

          little traitor. That is how I wanted to translate your nickname. Agree, this is quite possible. Despite the idioms.
          And now on the topic.
          (Censorship) (censorship) what are you, (censorship), (censorship), except for the mouse (censorship)
          if you do not agree, I’ll love to chat in PM.
          With only one condition, that you really were at least five minutes in the database zone. Even a cook.
          1. Snakebyte
            Snakebyte April 16 2018 20: 07
            0
            If pseudo-patriots become personal, then I’m saying everything correctly.
            1. Grim Reaper
              Grim Reaper April 17 2018 03: 54
              +2
              [quote = Snakeby request te] If pseudo-patriots become personal, then I’m saying everything correctly. [/ quote]
              I don’t get personal. Just 70 axes on three boxes is overkill. Five is enough in excess. Let 10, with the expectation that 5 will not reach. But 70 .... Do you believe .... request
              And do not about guaranteed defeat, etc. The purpose was precisely the building, and for one two-story box, one ax is more than enough.
              1. YELLOWSTONE
                YELLOWSTONE April 17 2018 05: 26
                +1
                below is his pearl about strikes on each floor, etc. (like many here with their emphasis on one-story calibers).
                Mr. obviously did not look at any newsreels about the war and compares concrete bunkers with ordinary panel houses
              2. Snakebyte
                Snakebyte April 17 2018 08: 05
                0
                Is it because Konashenkov said so? Which stated that in ax warheads are half a ton of explosives? 117 kg. The rest is a thick metal shell designed to punch walls and form splinters.
                Or Rutskoi, whose sturgeon size began to grow? Already announced about 110 missiles and bombs GBU-38 with B-1B. Also F-15 / F-16 cover in the bombers recorded, for solidity. And what, they lied about 70 shot down missiles, the electorate shook with joy. You can still lie. The evidence will be justified. So that the electorate quickly forgot how they puffed out their cheeks, guaranteeing the protection of the Syrian allies. But in the end - we were not touched, we are on the edge.
    3. andj61
      andj61 April 16 2018 11: 30
      +2
      Quote: Snakebyte
      And then the Pentagon’s version that as many as 1 Tomahawks and 57 AGM-19 fell on the Syrian research complex in Barz with an area of ​​only 158 hectare looks a bit strange.

      Why is that strange? 1 ha = 10000 m2. The radius of guaranteed destruction for a 450-kg warhead is about 10 m (the goal is concrete buildings, not a living force in the field). Approximately 100 m2. Given that the target does not occupy the entire area, and the Kyrgyz Republic was launched “with a margin” in case of opposition or simply technical losses, the outfit of forces looks quite adequate.

      One hectare is just a 100x100 m square. And there are 76 missiles on this area? You will see the information provided by comrade Alexander War today at 06:54 - a little higher on this page - there are only 6 marks. And everything is destroyed. And an area of ​​approximately a hectare is. hi
      1. Snakebyte
        Snakebyte April 16 2018 11: 43
        +1
        Concrete buildings - the goal is pretty solid. This is not an “unprotected manpower," which is mowed by fragments of tens of meters. In addition, the buildings also have a height, so it is necessary not to count the area, but the volume - they could well hit on different floors.
        In the photo among the “6 marks” are three buildings, occupying 5 percent of the area of ​​“approximately a hectare”. And there is no confirmation that one rocket hit the same building, and not two or three.
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    4. Airdefence_107
      April 16 2018 15: 05
      +1
      The radius of a guaranteed defeat does not guarantee that there will be no severe damage outside. It all depends on the design of the object. In this case, there are suspicions that even in a more or less fortified basement people could survive. In this case, we are talking about ordinary low buildings. If you carefully study the nature of the defeats from air bombs and other vehicles on other objects by means of video available on the network, you will understand that dozens of CPs per one 2-3 storey building, not even completely destroyed, is too much.

  15. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov April 16 2018 09: 21
    +2
    An ordinary agreement that allowed all actors to achieve their goals and save face.
  16. Opera
    Opera April 16 2018 09: 42
    +3
    Quote: Moore
    - the striped showed that they will do whatever they want in the world and the UN will help them in this (we look at the failure of the Russian Federation’s resolution on the UN strike);
    -RF allowed to be proud of their means of air defense.

    This is from a series of Western tales - the USA and Britain won in World War 2, and the USSR was allowed to be proud and hoist the flag over the Reichstag!
    Do you think that some people gathered here ...?! And why is failure so inspiring you, as you deigned to express Russian resolutions at the UN ?! Russia, that few American resolutions failed ?! Give some absolutely wild argument!)))) We won’t talk much about the epic American victory, which managed to injure 103 Syrians with 3 cruise missiles! You will say that it was planned and this is such a military trick! Let Democrats from Trump and Trump ask for this trick! I’ll just tell you - East Guta and the American viper established there have completely come under the control of the Russian military police! Apparently we were also allowed to be proud of this?
    Afterword: maybe the Americans were allowed to slightly contradict Russia in Syria in a place specially designated for this, not very large in area ?! The remaining third of smart and beautiful American missiles fell into this place! Well, if you already love conspiracy theories, then mine is much more true than yours!))) And by the way, my version of what happened is supported by the Israeli leadership and the military saying that it would be better if the Americans and the British didn’t punish anyone at all !!! Shame it says! And how indignant the leader of the militants "Jaish al-Islam" Muhammad Allush !!! Full x ... it says! Farce and not American power!
  17. Varyag77
    Varyag77 April 16 2018 10: 41
    +2
    Quote: konstantin68
    Quote: Snakebyte
    The radius of the guaranteed destruction for a 450 kg warhead is about 10 m (the goal is concrete buildings, not a living force in the field)

    Immediately recalled: "... the tank is designed for 10 minutes of battle ...". Where do you get such data?

    In the right place. And 10 minutes is optimism. Single tank-2 minutes, in the platoon up to 5 minutes, in the company and above 10 minutes. BUT we are talking about a "normal" combined arms battle, and not about any "special operations."
    1. Cynic
      Cynic April 16 2018 14: 23
      0
      Quote: Varyag77
      In the right place.

      And there is not written on average?
  18. Lunar daemon
    Lunar daemon April 16 2018 10: 59
    +5
    With regard to this blow, a lot of people have already expressed that this is our victory. The coalition forces launched a demonstration strike, which had no military meaning, the Syrian air defense worked out for 5+ as during exercises, and the Russian expeditionary force did not fire a single shot, as rockets flew over "our area of ​​responsibility" ...
    But let me, if all of this can be called our victory (which I do not agree with), then not because of our actions, but through the gouging of this very coalition, and because the strike, which has no real combat missions, could not become a military victory of the coalition. Of course, if it weren’t for our warning, perhaps the blow would be steeper and larger, but nonetheless the blow was.
    Our Defense Ministry warned that it would crush not only missiles, but also carriers. And where are these downed carriers? S-400 can bring down planes already over Cyprus, from which the British took off. Why didn’t they bring down these ghouls? It was necessary to shoot down, both because of Syria, and because we had warned, and because of the fake with the Skripals. But no, it's not our responsibility. Do you think Anglo-Saxon jackals will appreciate this? They value only strength, therefore, if all this blow did not become our defeat, then it cannot be a victory in any way, that's for sure.
    1. Mestny
      Mestny April 16 2018 11: 28
      +3
      How tired you are.
      Our Ministry of Defense stated that it would bring down carriers in the event of an attack on our facilities.
      There was no threat. Why wasn’t it? Is it because of the humanism of the United States? No, for another reason.
      1. Opera
        Opera April 16 2018 11: 59
        +2
        They are not tired! They were born weary! Not in that country, at that time, and clearly not among the people close to them!
      2. Lunar daemon
        Lunar daemon April 16 2018 12: 41
        +3
        Quote: Mestny
        Our Defense Ministry stated that it would bring down carriers in the event of an attack on our facilities. There was no threat. Why wasn’t it? Is it because of the humanism of the United States? No, for another reason.

        That is, if, after a long raid, by noon, it turned out that someone from our military or civilian personnel in Syria was injured, we would say that yeah, wait, we have victims! Now we will shoot you ghouls! And ghouls at that time would already be sitting on the ground, drinking whiskey and smoking "victory cigars" ...
        1. mari.inet
          mari.inet April 16 2018 14: 21
          +1
          Hmm, after all, Russian tracking systems for missile launches and the trajectories of their movement would not have waited in the afternoon to decide on the response. At the slightest threat to our bases and locations, military personnel would immediately be shot down. Both missiles and carriers of these missiles.
          If they didn’t shoot down, then there were no threats. All Western aggressive rhetoric and power intentions went to nothing.
      3. mari.inet
        mari.inet April 16 2018 14: 14
        +2
        In my opinion, Trump prudently agreed with Putin which specific territory he could fire at, in order to save his face and avoid victims. It is in the style of trump - to lay straws for himself, so as not to run into a full-fledged battle with Russia.
        It is permissible that the agreement passed through third parties. But without such an agreement, there is no explanation for the neat indicative - and absolutely empty - shooting ranges.
      4. VVK_VDB
        VVK_VDB April 16 2018 15: 01
        +1
        There was a threat and a direct threat. Before Trump, there were three plans, the latter provided for striking at ours. How could ours know which of the plans will be implemented? The naglitsanka directly asked for a demonstrative flogging. The justification for our iron is a threat.
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 April 16 2018 11: 57
      +6
      Quote: Lunar Daemon
      Our Defense Ministry warned that it would crush not only missiles, but also carriers. And where are these downed carriers?

      The Defense Ministry prudently made a small reservation that this would happen if OUR military were hit. Therefore, now it is always possible to declare that OURS are not hurt, and we don’t care about any Syrians, they are NOT OURS. Exactly as it was recently with the shooting by the Americans of Russian PMCs, when the Defense Ministry stated that OURS were not there.
      Quote: Lunar Daemon
      Do you think Anglo-Saxon jackals will appreciate this?

      Of course, now they will be calmer to strike next time, knowing that for Russian air defense, Syria, this is not their area of ​​responsibility.
      Quote: Mestny
      Our Ministry of Defense stated that it would bring down carriers in the event of an attack наших objects.

      I believed that if you go to the aid of a warring country, then all the objects in it should be perceived as OUR, in the event of an attack by the enemy. Otherwise, whom are we protecting there, ourselves or the one whom we came to protect? Of course you can write that Syria does not bother us, but how other OURs not numerous allies will look at this situation?
      1. lance
        lance April 16 2018 12: 44
        +1
        If you came to the aid of a sovereign state, then you coordinate all actions with this state. Assad decided not to attack the coalition bases and drove his equipment to our zone, which he could not cover. and then the Russian stas 157 decides to sink ships and shoot down planes? how will you look in front of the Syrians on whom all the coalition has to shower? because it’s much easier to bomb them than us.
      2. Cynic
        Cynic April 16 2018 14: 28
        +1
        Quote: Stas157
        I thought ...

        It is necessary not to consider, but to read the contract, why and with which, and with what rights, ours are there. Only.
    3. G A_2
      G A_2 April 16 2018 13: 12
      +4
      Refresh your memory about the promises of the MO and hold back your militancy a little
      Look what Gerasimov says
      This is for Lunar Daemon
    4. Airdefence_107
      April 16 2018 15: 27
      0
      Syrian C-200 can also shoot down Israeli planes over Lebanon or the US over Al-Tanf. The political decision here plays a key role.
  19. Mestny
    Mestny April 16 2018 11: 24
    0
    Quote: andrew42
    There is no reason for joy. We must prepare for a harsh limited war in the Eastern Mediterranean, with few resources, surrounded by a flock of powerful enemies.

    Probably a complete surrender to the USA would be a reason for joy for you?
    Then there would be a reason to rejoice?
  20. S_Baykala
    S_Baykala April 16 2018 13: 14
    +3
    Pictures, pictures, pictures ...
    Where are the snapshots of chemical protection machines dismantling the rubble of the warehouse from the BOV? Generally any technique? They are not very difficult to see from the satellite.
    People living nearby evacuated?
    The attackers were sure that there were no toxic substances in the BWA warehouse? Why then bombed? Reverse: if you are not sure, why did they bomb? After all, as a result of the destruction of warehouses, BWOs could be in the air and cover the nearest cities not only in Syria, but also in Lebanon, to which there are 20-30 km. Is there a wind map? Where would the cloud go if the tanks were damaged? In general, strike a plant (warehouse), which supposedly produces a chemical. weapons - a little illogical (this is very politically correct). What are they spending a lot of money on its disposal and building factories? Now it turns out like - a couple of grenades in a warehouse, and you're done - there is no threat.
    ps From the west, believing and proving the presence of chemical. weapons - there was a direct attempt to destroy civilians not only in Syria, but also in Lebanon.
    1. Cynic
      Cynic April 16 2018 14: 37
      +1
      At one time, they explained to me that if something happens that goes beyond the scope of competence, then this is completely ignored and, moreover, is not subjected to analysis.
      Hence the children, with skin without traces of damage, from which they wash off organic matter with tap water! And white helmets squishing bare feet in shales on that water with washed away OM!
      Well, people do not imagine what the defeat of OM, even chlorine!
    2. New Year day
      New Year day April 16 2018 15: 01
      +3
      Quote: S_Baykala
      Why then bombed? Reverse: if you are not sure, why did they bomb?

      everything is much simpler - Trump had to bang his fist, so they bombed. And where and why, it doesn’t matter to Trapma! The fact that half the world paused is not counted. Trump is like that.
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  22. mari.inet
    mari.inet April 16 2018 14: 06
    +2
    ".. And maybe not the elite at all, but a bunch of old senile individuals living in fears and inflated megalomania who are frantically trying to maintain their influence?"
    Well said, thanks to the author. Already not America, but some kind of Chlamerica. Continuous political trash.
  23. New Year day
    New Year day April 16 2018 14: 58
    +1
    Quote: svp67
    And if this happens, then not to Iran, not to us in Syria there simply will not be a place ...

    what then did we fight for?
  24. iouris
    iouris April 16 2018 15: 00
    +1
    Do not touch famously while lying quietly! (Folk wisdom)
    All is well: hit, all goals are amazed and achieved, mission accomplished.
  25. Opera
    Opera April 16 2018 15: 03
    +2
    Quote: Stas157
    I believed that if you go to the aid of a warring country, then all the objects in it should be perceived as OUR, in the event of an attack by the enemy. Otherwise, whom are we protecting there, ourselves or the one whom we came to protect? Of course you can write that Syria does not bother us, but how other OURs not numerous allies will look at this situation?

    I think that in fact you are smarter than it seems after reading your post. Therefore, I would like to ask you some very important things. I myself forgot. So please tell me:
    How many percent of the territory was controlled by terrorists before Russia came to Syria?
    How many now?
    Who set the SAR MANPADS army?
    Who upgraded them?
    Who trained the specialists?
    Who ever recreated, but that there simply created a system of Syrian air defense?
    Why has Syria not yet suffered the fate of, say, Libya?
    Now I will ask you a very difficult question. You are a knowledgeable person, not some kind of amateur like me! Say i.e. so what does it mean that every country that has Soviet air defense systems like BEECH or OCA or SQUARE can easily shoot down 70% of all American missiles?!?!?! Wow?! And Ukraine will say all of 103 will be knocked down if suddenly by chance they quarrel with the USA?!?! Or, in addition to their modernization, do the Soviet complexes need some other means of detection, guidance, communications between the foci of the system and the corresponding specialists?!?!
    I understand that it’s probably not enough time for you to answer my probably stupid questions, and in order to somehow smooth out the inconvenience of the moment you answer, I can tell you a joke from the time of the Vietnam War about how our instructors taught Vietnamese squadrons and pilots. It is called "Well, now narrow-eyed move over!"
    1. G A_2
      G A_2 April 16 2018 15: 11
      +1
      It is still not known how much the missile defense spent on these downed 71 missiles. This will show the real effectiveness of air defense.
      1. Airdefence_107
        April 16 2018 15: 15
        +1
        Hardly more than 2's each. There is simply no time.
  26. roninas
    roninas April 16 2018 16: 42
    +1
    Quote: Mestny
    Where does such adolescent categoricality come from?
    So hit that it would be better not to start. These are sane people, not capital trolls, and fighters with the regime are clearly understood.

    you don’t understand that it’s not only about the destruction, how much it got, and how much it’s brought down? The thing is that Russia was dunked again, or, as the samurai comrades say, I’ve lost face. Who will risk contacting such a partner, well, take a look from your position. So it was better to keep silent meaningfully, maybe they would pass for smart, and not threaten the whole world, We’ll shoot down. And destroy ... Where ???. and there is such a saying- " Consider deeds, not words, for deeds reveal the lie "Ohrennaya saying, works in 1000 cases out of 100
  27. roninas
    roninas April 16 2018 16: 46
    +3
    Quote: G A_2
    Refresh your memory about the promises of the MO and hold back your militancy a little
    Look what Gerasimov says
    This is for Lunar Daemon

    I’ll plus from the heart. But for fermented patriots this is not proof. Here, in general, according to all mass media, they say about the hell’s victory. The world has turned upside down for a long time
  28. roninas
    roninas April 16 2018 16: 48
    +1
    Quote: Oper
    Quote: Stas157
    I believed that if you go to the aid of a warring country, then all the objects in it should be perceived as OUR, in the event of an attack by the enemy. Otherwise, whom are we protecting there, ourselves or the one whom we came to protect? Of course you can write that Syria does not bother us, but how other OURs not numerous allies will look at this situation?

    I think that in fact you are smarter than it seems after reading your post. Therefore, I would like to ask you some very important things. I myself forgot. So please tell me:
    How many percent of the territory was controlled by terrorists before Russia came to Syria?
    How many now?
    Who set the SAR MANPADS army?
    Who upgraded them?
    Who trained the specialists?
    Who ever recreated, but that there simply created a system of Syrian air defense?
    Why has Syria not yet suffered the fate of, say, Libya?
    Now I will ask you a very difficult question. You are a knowledgeable person, not some kind of amateur like me! Say i.e. so what does it mean that every country that has Soviet air defense systems like BEECH or OCA or SQUARE can easily shoot down 70% of all American missiles?!?!?! Wow?! And Ukraine will say all of 103 will be knocked down if suddenly by chance they quarrel with the USA?!?! Or, in addition to their modernization, do the Soviet complexes need some other means of detection, guidance, communications between the foci of the system and the corresponding specialists?!?!
    I understand that it’s probably not enough time for you to answer my probably stupid questions, and in order to somehow smooth out the inconvenience of the moment you answer, I can tell you a joke from the time of the Vietnam War about how our instructors taught Vietnamese squadrons and pilots. It is called "Well, now narrow-eyed move over!"

    Why are you all digging this figure? 71 rocket .... Where ???
  29. roninas
    roninas April 16 2018 16: 56
    +1
    Quote: Oper
    Quote: Moore
    - the striped showed that they will do whatever they want in the world and the UN will help them in this (we look at the failure of the Russian Federation’s resolution on the UN strike);
    -RF allowed to be proud of their means of air defense.

    This is from a series of Western tales - the USA and Britain won in World War 2, and the USSR was allowed to be proud and hoist the flag over the Reichstag!
    Do you think that some people gathered here ...?! And why is failure so inspiring you, as you deigned to express Russian resolutions at the UN ?! Russia, that few American resolutions failed ?! Give some absolutely wild argument!)))) We won’t talk much about the epic American victory, which managed to injure 103 Syrians with 3 cruise missiles! You will say that it was planned and this is such a military trick! Let Democrats from Trump and Trump ask for this trick! I’ll just tell you - East Guta and the American viper established there have completely come under the control of the Russian military police! Apparently we were also allowed to be proud of this?
    Afterword: maybe the Americans were allowed to slightly contradict Russia in Syria in a place specially designated for this, not very large in area ?! The remaining third of smart and beautiful American missiles fell into this place! Well, if you already love conspiracy theories, then mine is much more true than yours!))) And by the way, my version of what happened is supported by the Israeli leadership and the military saying that it would be better if the Americans and the British didn’t punish anyone at all !!! Shame it says! And how indignant the leader of the militants "Jaish al-Islam" Muhammad Allush !!! Full x ... it says! Farce and not American power!

    Ah, here it’s CHO ... so, it means they won? Fucking mnogokhodovochka. Well, free will, think that this is so
  30. Yak28
    Yak28 April 16 2018 17: 37
    +1
    It is already safe to say that there is the first country that has withstood both the “color revolution”, thousands of pocket terrorists and the direct aggression of the West. Yes, this is Syria!

    Syria has not survived yet, but what to do with the American military base on the territory of Syria, on which they will constantly prepare troops to destabilize the situation in the country? What to do with the Turkish army in Syria? After all, the states, Turks, Jews will not leave Syria, they will not give Syria normally live
    1. lance
      lance April 16 2018 19: 17
      0
      absolutely everything is cured by time, Iraq’s igils will crush the Kurds and the United States, the idlib will be taken into account, the stink will be heard enough, the Kurds will partisan the Turks. everything is ahead, the United States will get tired of wasting $
  31. Konstantin
    Konstantin April 16 2018 19: 24
    +3
    Naive throats, who did we defeat there? "Our military was not in danger" ... blah blah blah. And are we there to protect our military or Syrian citizens and Syrian cities? "We will shoot down missiles and destroy carriers." Again admit to yourself, you didn’t hit back because you were scared. But you hit, as you promised. And the result of the blow is not important, but the fact of the blow. And patriotism has nothing to do with it. The general picture in Syria has not changed, but the sediment remained again. It may, of course, be better that they over-do than under-do.
  32. megadeth
    megadeth April 16 2018 19: 27
    0
    Yes, the author is in many ways right. American old fart (senators) along the way there is nothing to lose, one horseradish soon in the coffin (crematorium). It’s bad that our C 300, C 400 and Pantsyri did not work, although they would have been rolled out in 15 minutes.
    As the horse Julius from the cartoon "said": - "Let's set fire to Kiev and move away in an organized way" ... Maybe you should think about it ..
  33. S_Baykala
    S_Baykala April 16 2018 19: 39
    +1
    Opera

    I understand that it’s probably not enough time for you to answer my probably stupid questions, and in order to somehow smooth out the inconvenience of the moment you answer, I can tell you a joke from the time of the Vietnam War about how our instructors taught Vietnamese squadrons and pilots. It is called "Well, now narrow-eyed move over!"
    Igor! hi Hi colleague (although the former, but it's forever drinks) ..
    The word "sarcasm" is unknown to most trolls. They fall into a stupor until the fall, trying to comprehend what you told them. On October 5, we’ll come up with something else ...
  34. Varyag77
    Varyag77 April 16 2018 19: 49
    0
    Quote: Cynic
    Quote: Varyag77
    In the right place.

    And there is not written on average?

    I think anyone without clarification understands that these are approximate-approximate figures. Naturally averaged and calculated solely through the tank-availability ratio (type, quantity of technical characteristics) of anti-tank weapons according to the enemy staffing table.
  35. Normal ok
    Normal ok April 16 2018 20: 10
    +1
    Hit Disgraced. Calm down!

    Not an article, but an agitation. Moreover, low quality. Hit then alone, but disgraced completely different. Moreover calm down, the author still can not.
    1. Cynic
      Cynic April 17 2018 13: 14
      +1
      Autotraining is a great thing ...
      That's just many had the patience to WATCH the TOPOIN RAID ...
      Almighty with the number of missiles shot down, but the APPROVAL by the representative of the US Ministry of Defense that there are no rockets shot down is beyond the bounds of sanity ...
  36. grateful
    grateful April 16 2018 21: 54
    0
    the main thing for us is time. It works for us. You can speak almost anything during this period. And when it’s done, it’s difficult to influence something (A. Dulles)
  37. Radikal
    Radikal April 16 2018 23: 19
    0
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: uporov65
    There are clearly not enough military bases in China in the SAR.

    Chur-chur, they weren’t enough there yet ... China only had a "claw" to run there, so it would crawl through. You just think, Assad said that Syria needs 400 billion dollars, for restoration, we don’t have that kind of money, the “Western world” will not give Assad it, but China can do it. And if this happens, then not to Iran, not to us in Syria there simply will not be a place ...

    One wrote nonsense - another answers her! Like little children ... lol
  38. Good neighbor
    Good neighbor April 17 2018 03: 08
    +1
    The main thing is that our air defense nicknames know that they shot down 71 missiles - by means of tracking. Judging by the interception video, it will be difficult to find the wreckage of the shot down. But most importantly, the US warriors ALSO know how many of their missiles were shot down - 71. And the words about the three targets agree very well with the real number of missiles that broke through - it turned out to attack three targets, which means there were so many. By the way, about eight Israeli missiles and five downed shots, no one made noise that this was all a lie and could not be))
  39. konstantin68
    konstantin68 April 17 2018 19: 23
    +1
    Snakebyte,
    Well, bad thing for you to say. We open Wikipedia, we enter "KR Tomahawk". This is not difficult to do. So, even the wiki gives a description of all warheads (there below). Read carefully, maybe 300 kg and believe in the words of Konashenkov.
  40. radar1967
    radar1967 April 18 2018 02: 48
    0
    Okay, in the USA we are hesitant to beat. But there is a way out. Can our radars determine that the Tomahawkill aircraft belong to Israel. Well, Jews, I hope you can beat?
  41. turbris
    turbris April 22 2018 11: 45
    0
    You can largely agree with the author, of course I would like the best in the situation with Erdogan, but even the fact that several of his NATO positions were shaken is already good. In the comments of bloggers, everything is enough, from the requirements of a retaliatory strike, to the cautious fear of further developments. But the main thing can be distinguished - Syria survived, of course, with our help, but it adequately repelled the blows of the coalition of the West and showed that the hegemon is no longer able to dictate its conditions to the whole world. Of course, the tiger will still growl and show its fangs, but in the end it will have to get out of Syria, because any AUGs will not change the current situation. Even in the case of open aggression of the coalition of the West against Syria, the war will take on a protracted character familiar to the Syrians, and Russia's help in this case will only increase along all channels. How much can the chemical provocations of London and Washington not be exposed? In the case of Powell’s test tube - no more than three years, and even less in the modern world, then the political leadership of these countries is waiting for the collapse, and in the near future it will be a cold shower for those who introduced a lie into the main argument of international politics.