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Fiasco "beautiful and smart." Technical points failing Syria

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Obviously, dashing times of simple and quick-prepared massed missile strikes by the combined naval and air forces of the Western coalition in terms of geopolitical disagreeable states of the world are coming to their logical conclusion, since most of the “bad guys” regimes (the NATO military men like to say supported by Moscow and Tehran) today are often worthy of military-technical means that pose a serious threat to both the means of air attack and their carriers. This opinion was confirmed by the extremely dubious rocket attack on various strategic military facilities of the SAR.

The most striking example of the dramatically changed military-technical relationship of forces between the Western coalition led by the United States and Moscow-supported players is the Syrian theater of operations, where the start of an escalation junction with the use of "smart and beautiful rockets", announced publicly by the head of the White House Donald Trump and the Minister of Defense James Mattis, noticeably delayed. For example, despite the operational redeployment of strategic bomber-missile carriers (each equipped with 24 TKRVB AGM-158B), as well as being within the 2500 radius of the Syrian undersea territory (impact modification of SSBNSGNBX), the SSNNX missile line (attack modification of SSBNSGNBX) ") And surface (USS" Donald Cook "and" Porter "destroyers) carriers of UGM / RGM-109E" Block IV "strategic cruise missiles, to issue an order to start an MRAU in Syria Trump did not rush. The announced 2 days were not enough to weigh the pros and cons in making a final decision on this difficult issue. And the destroyer control rocket weapons DDG-75 USS "Donald Cook" quite unexpectedly retreated from the closest approaches to Tartus to the area between the islands of Crete and Cyprus.

The culminating and illustrative moments include D. Trump’s tweet statement that the launch of the missile strike will take place either “very soon or not at all” and the subsequent statement by the head of the US defense department, James Mattis, to continue considering several options for a joint coalition against government forces. Syria, as he put it, "for tactical reasons: to save the lives of civilians." All of us are well aware that in all military conflicts with the participation of the Western powers, without exception, the issue of preserving the lives of civilians was not on the agenda.

In view of this, a quite logical question arises: what was the main reason for the “slipping” of the implementation of the power scenario in Syria and such inadequate jumps in the rhetoric of Donald Trump in his Twitter account? After all, the crews of the B-1B “Lancer” with more than a hundred “beautiful and smart” JASSM-ER have been waiting for orders for the MRAU for several days, as well as the allied British “Tornado GR.4” at Akrotiri airbase, ready to send by targets in the SAR, there are dozens of precision Storm Shadow long-range tactical missiles plus the British MAPL Trafalgar and Esteut, capable of receiving UGM-25E strategic cruise missiles on the torpedo compartments 38 and 109, respectively. We can also add the destroyers of the Donald Cook and Porter URO destroyers carrying more than a hundred Tomahawk cruise missiles to the universal TLU Mk 41.

The total number of high-precision weapons, with the participation of the Israeli Air Force and without the participation of the AUG, led by the aircraft carrier "Harry Truman", has passed for 500 — 550 units. a few days ago, which prompted many of our observers to think about the complete incapacity of the Syrian air defense systems, as well as the missile defense system of the Russian Aerospace Forces before such a swarm of rockets. But the Pentagon continued to delay the operation, considering options for strikes, including air "loopholes" for breaking through the Syrian air defense, the distribution of WTO assets ("Storm Shadov", "Tomahawki" and JASSM-ER) in one or another airway, and the most important facilities on which the Russian contingent may be located.

The first part of the answer cleared up on Friday afternoon, April 13, when The New York Times, citing sources in Washington, reported that during a closed meeting at the White House, the head of the US defense department D. Mattis explained the delay of the military operation by searching options that exclude a direct clash of the forces of the western coalition with the armed forces of Russia and Iran, which can develop into a regional and then global conflict.

After bringing all the units of the Russian air forces and naval forces into full combat readiness in the western strategic direction, as well as warning the chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, Valery Gerasimov, about the interception of air force and destruction of carriers (in the case of the death of our military personnel), this fear of strategists in the Pentagon is fully understandable and lies on the surface . The most piquant moment here was that the Central Command of the US Armed Forces until the last day did not have reliable information about exactly what strategically important facilities of the Syrian Arab Army are units of the Russian military contingent, including advisers, specialists in the field of air defense, radio intelligence and etc. And so any hastily planned massive missileaviation a strike could lead to the death of our military, which would eventually turn out to be a real disaster for the United States and NATO, at least in the scale of delivering massive strikes against the Air Force of the United Kingdom Air Force Akrotiri and all NATO naval strike groups operating in the eastern Mediterranean and Red sea.

A significant proportion of the difficulty in calculating the exact coordinates of the deployment of Russian military units in Syria was caused by several significant factors. First of all, this is a line of conduct that is absolutely unusual for the leader of a superpower and the psychological state of US President Donald Trump. The plans for the operation to be announced on Twitter in advance resulted in the relocation of the headquarters of the Syrian Arab Army to an unknown area in the first hours of growing tensions, as reported by the French edition of Le Figaro. Secondly, it is the presence in the western provinces of the Syrian Arab Republic (mainly in Hama, Tatrthus and Latakia) of an impressive amount of advanced electronic countermeasures that produce noise barrage and response impulse noise for airborne radar, radio electronic and radio intelligence reconnaissance units of the OVAS of the Western coalition. For example, at the disposal of the Russian contingent there are such powerful noise (barrier, quasi-continuous and impact) interference systems like 1Л248-4 SPN-4 and 1Л248-2 SPN-2. Both complexes are the offspring of a high-tech developer, the All-Russian Research Institute Gradient, and differ in the frequency ranges of radiation.

In particular, the interference emitted by the 1Л248-4 SPN-4 complex covers most of the centimeter X-band (8 — 10,17 GHz), not reaching only the 12 GHz. This is quite enough to reduce by several times the quality of the “radar image” of ground-based objects obtained by means of the side view AFAR-radar AN / ZPY-2 installed in the radial radome of the Global Rac-4B “Global Hawk”. In order to clearly identify the ground object in the synthesized aperture mode, the Global Hawk should approach the distance in 120 - 150 km from the explored territory, which is confirmed by the example of regular reconnaissance flights of the machine at the contact line in the Donbass. At the same time, SPN-4 provides effective resistance simultaneously to 2 airborne X-band radar reconnaissance at a distance of more than 130 - 140 km.

Also SPN-4 is able to ensure the safety of operating tactical, strategic, military transport and army aviation in the area of ​​air bases located near the theaters of military operations. Thus, during take-off or landing, when friendly combat aircraft do not have the ability to fully utilize an armament control complex (KUV), powerful response impulse interference from the 1L248-2 complex deployed near the runway web prevents the stable "capture" of our planes and helicopters using onboard Radar of the enemy (AN / APG-82V1, AN / APG-83, AN / APG-77, etc.) EW 1LXXUMUM-248 SPN-2 complex operates in higher frequency J- and Ku-centimeter waves (from 2 to 13,333 GHz) and is designed primarily to suppress active radar seeker heads medium-range missiles air combat MICA-EM, MBDA «Meteor» etc. And this is far from a complete list of the REP funds that created and are creating significant problems for the US airborne X-ray radar reconnaissance systems; there is also “Krasuha-17,544” and many other complexes that perform jamming in the meter, decimeter and centimeter wavelengths.


Antenna post station powerful noise interference SPN-4


It is noteworthy that even two days before the missile attack by the Air Force and the US Navy repeatedly tried to calculate the location and movement of military equipment of the Russian contingent using RQ-4B strategic aerial reconnaissance drones, RC-135V / W “Rivet Joint” aircraft and anti-submarine aircraft P -8A "Poseidon" operating in the airspace of Israel (south of the Golan Heights) and over the water area of ​​the eastern Mediterranean Sea (south-west of the maritime borders of the province of Tartus). All this could be seen on the syria.liveuamap.com tactical online map. But, as we see, such unprecedented measures did not allow the joint command of the coalition forces to get a full-fledged strategic picture with the coordinates of the Russian contingent, including military advisers, which once again confirms the high efficiency of our EW complexes and means of encrypting radio communication channels and tactical data exchange.

It is for this reason that during the entire period of preparation for the strike, the Pentagon contacted the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces via military communication channels, trying to coordinate the maximum possible number of "points of contact" in order to avoid a direct collision with the Russian contingent, and for this very reason the strike turned out to be so limited, and also absolutely inconsistent with the number of used media, which at the current moment, according to summary information from several sources, there are approximately 18 units. Thus, the mixed strike group of the OVS coalition was represented by:

- an underwater component, which was made by the ultra low noise multipurpose nuclear submarine of the 4 generation SSN-785 "John Warner" of an improved version of the Virginia Block III, nicknamed "Sledgehammer of Freefom" and "shoot out" one of the 2's vertical revolver PU, launching 6 SCS UGM-109E "Tomahawk Block IV" on targets in the SAR (British MAPL classes "Trafalgar" and "Estujt" did not participate in striking; the total number of missiles launched from the "John Warner" and a pair of British submarines could exceed 30 - 40 units, in total - only 6);

- a surface component that was presented by the Aegis-CG-61 USS "Monterey" class Ticonderoga cruiser (launched the 30 tactical UGM-109C / D TLAM-C / D tactical with a reduced range of 50-60 or more missiles), Aegis "DDG-76 USS" Higgins "and DDG-58" Laboon "rocket weapon controlmen (with a total number of missiles launched - only 30 units) and the French frigate D653" Languedoc ", which launched only 3 missiles SCALP Naval; the number of missiles launched from the USS Porter and Donald Cook destroyers is unknown (obviously, they were used only as an anti-missile umbrella over the Eastern Mediterranean);

- the air component presented by 2 by strategic rocket-carrying bombers B-1B "Lancer", which used only 19 low-profile tactical long-range cruise missiles AGM-158B JASSM-ER in the presence of 48 suspension units on internal revolver PU; as well as the Tornado GR.4 strike force of the British Air Force (Storm Shadow 8 tactical missiles), the French Rafale link and one Mirage-2000 (the air-launched SCALP-EG launched 9 tactical missiles).


As a result, there is a “strike swarm” of only 105 missiles of two classes, where Tomahawks account for approximately 63%, on JASSM-ER - 18,1%, on SCALP in sea and air basing - 11,4% and “Storm Shadow” - 7,5% while more than 350 missiles could be used, not including the Israeli Delilah and Popeye II. As we can see, the C-400 “Triumph” (the first deployed near Hmeimim and the second near Masyaf) and the powerful C-300B4 division in the Tartus region, are quite meager by the standards of a pair of divisions (anti-aircraft missile regiment). This mixed anti-missile group is represented by roughly 192 anti-aircraft guided missiles 48H6XXUMUM, 3М9МВ and 82М9М. But after all, our air defense weapons once again, due to geopolitical agreements with the West, did not participate in repelling the blow that took place in early morning on April 83, and therefore even such a “restrained” and “limited” strike could become critical for the far from advanced Syrian air defense system .

But the opposite happened: 71 from 105 (103, according to the Russian Ministry of Defense) cruise missiles were intercepted by anti-aircraft missiles that are in service with the Syrian Arab army. In addition, all the CDs launched at Duvaly airbases (4 missiles), Dumeyr (12 units), Bley (18 units) and Shyrat (12 units) were destroyed in the flying area of ​​the trajectory, thanks to which the runway lanes , hangars and auxiliary facilities remained intact.

How could such a high interception ratio (0,68) be achieved, given that the Russian media spread the data that only outdated Soviet air defense systems of the C-75, C-125, C-200, and Cube types took part in repelling the blow and "Beech"? Moreover, 17 tactical missiles “Storm Shadow”, “SCALP-EG”, “Scalp Naval” and 6 “Tomahawks” launched from Tornado, Rafaley and Mirage suspensions, as well as from the John Paulner MAPL ”(From the Mediterranean direction) approached targets through the ridges of Anti-Lebanon, which means they were not available for detection by the Syrian and Russian ground radio-electronic reconnaissance complexes until the very last moment. Here it is worthwhile to move our brains, consider modifications of these supposedly “ancient” complexes, as well as the network-centric linking systems and additional ABM systems assigned to them to cover the “dead zones” in close proximity to military airfields and other strategic facilities.

To begin with, some of our media not only seriously mistaken about the "oak" and outdated elemental base of the current anti-aircraft missile systems of Syrian air defense, but also do not have the slightest basic knowledge about the nomenclature of these means, which we observed in the recent erroneous comment of one of correspondents who issued the Buk medium range air defense system for the C-200 long-range complex. But this is not so important detail. The fact is that since 2012, many stationary anti-aircraft missile systems C-125 Pechora are undergoing a program of deep modernization of both the element base of onboard radioelectronic equipment and the missile component with a launcher prior to the Pechora-2M modification. One of the revolutionary stages of the renovation of the complex, carried out by the Defense Industrial Systems financial and industrial group, consisting of the ICB Fakel, the Kuntsevo Design Bureau, the Almaz Central Design Bureau and other enterprises, became the development of the improved 5B27DE anti-aircraft missile, as well as integration into the combat point control UNK-2M terminal receiving information about the tactical air situation over a secure radio channel.

The new 5B27DE anti-aircraft guided missile, characterized by the possibility of increasing the solid propellant charge of the launch stage, is capable of hitting targets at a distance of 32 km, as well as at 15 - 20 m heights due to the modernization of the radio fuse. The latter option makes it possible to destroy the advertised ultra-low-altitude tactical missiles "JASSM-ER" and "Storm Shadow", not to mention the "Tomahawks", the effective scattering surface of which approaches 0,1 square. The important point here is that the Pechora 125М C-2 is capable of striking cruise missiles not only in the active mode of the CHP-125-2М radar, but also in the passive mode using the Carat TV / IR scanner. -2 ”or more modern. Such a regime can become indispensable if a tactical / strategic cruise missile with an ESR of less than 0,07 - 0,05 square is used against the object being covered. m, which only radar type 92H6Е or 9С32М are capable of consistently detecting. Equipping the tactical environment with a telecode communications channel through a secure channel allows the integration of Pechora-2M into a single network-centric air defense network with Triumph C-400, C-300B4, C-200, Buk-M2E, Panim complexes -С1 »,« Tor-М1 / М2Е / М2МКМ », etc. The link of the system linking in this case is the high-performance automated control systems (ACS) of the Baikal-1МE and Poliana-D4М1 anti-aircraft brigades, as well as the Unified Battery Command Center (UCMM) 9-X737М Ranzhir-M.

In such an integrated air defense system, the Syrian Pechora-2M, although they did not receive direct fire support from the Russian C-300B4 and C-400 air defense systems, repelled by the attack of the 14 enemy missiles of April, definitely received a full-fledged picture of the air situation over most of the western The provinces of the Syrian Arab Republic also received “data packets” with target allocation, which could be implemented exclusively through the Baikal-1МЭ and Poliana-D4М1 automated control systems. Sources of radar information in this case could be either the 96L6 high-altitude detectors attached to the Triumph C-400 complexes, as well as the A-50U long-range radar patrol and guidance aircraft, which were probably lifted from the Hmeymim airbase for familiarization with the effective reflecting surface of the Sculpus to be seen from the effective reflecting surface of the Sculpus to be seen from the Scalpus. and "Storm Shadow."



It is worth noting that the joint work of the A-50U bundle - Baikal-1МE, issuing target designation to Pechory-2М, Bukam-М2Э, Pantsirymi and Osam-AKM in the region of Damascus, Homs and Hama provinces would be enough not only to successfully repel the last strike of 103 or 105 cruise missiles, but also to repel a three times more powerful strike using 300 air attack weapons, because the throughput of the Bumblebee-2 radar complex (installed on A-50) 300 simultaneously accompanied air routes, while The time as the “Baikal-1МЭ” ACS can work with 500 targets, rationally distributing them between the 24 divisions of the mixed anti-aircraft missile group. Moreover, “Baikal-1МЭ” is capable of issuing target designation to three modern electronic warfare complexes at once (from Krasukha to SPN-4 / 2).

The A-50U long-range radar detection and control aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces, which was on combat duty, was spotted over the province of Ham on April 13 (a few hours before the strike); it is for this reason that the reflection of the coalition’s missile strike by the Syrian air defense forces was so “honed” and brilliant. The main work was entrusted to the shoulders of the operators of the multi-channel Buk-М2E air defense system and the Pantsir-С1 air defense system, which CAA already has more than 40 units.

Information sources:
https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/4119740.html
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/261092.html
https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2018/04/14/rudskoy-iz-103-raket-ssha-71-byla-perehvachena-siriyskimi-pvo
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  1. svp67
    svp67 April 16 2018 05: 45
    +50
    Yes, to spend more than a hundred rockets to destroy three sheds, this is of course a BIG, no, JUST HUGE success of the USA and their “sixes” ... Directly AWESOME SUCCESS. No.
    1. zyzx
      zyzx April 16 2018 07: 16
      +11
      Quote: svp67
      Yeah, spend over a hundred rockets

      Trump achieved his goals, announced victory, the Yankees in joy. And we should not have so much fun while they shot down rockets, knowing where they are flying.
      1. zulusuluz
        zulusuluz April 16 2018 09: 09
        +15
        And the task of the short-range air defense system is precisely to protect the object, not the territory ... And the missile will not be sent to destroy the latrine ... Therefore, it is already known WHERE the missiles will fly. After all, they did not know the most important thing - when and from which direction.
        1. co-creator
          co-creator April 16 2018 11: 44
          +14
          Quote: zulusuluz
          Therefore, it is already known WHERE rockets will fly. After all, they did not know the most important thing - when and from which direction.

          Everything says that they knew when to where and direction too. Trump did not set out to inflict damage on Assad. The purpose was to show who the owner of the house was and he showed that he would strike at any moment and the Russian Federation could not stop him and the maximum would simply agree to such conditions. The Russian Federation has shown that it does not have the strength or spirit to protect its interests. Only today the United States agreed to strike, and tomorrow they will simply warn and strike a real blow.
          1. Inok10
            Inok10 April 16 2018 21: 36
            +2
            Quotation: blooded man
            Everything says that they knew when to where and direction too.

            ... they didn’t know for sure, but the assumptions were true ... they almost guessed them ... the range of Buk-M2E and Pechora-2M was exactly 30 km. ... well, and most importantly, I didn’t directly recognize Yevgeny Batkovich Damantsev ... not really Progress ?! ... plus I won’t wait, so as not to jinx it ... wink
          2. uralets81
            uralets81 April 19 2018 08: 16
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      2. your1970
        your1970 April 16 2018 09: 38
        +1
        Quote: zyzx
        Quote: svp67
        Yeah, spend over a hundred rockets

        Trump achieved his goals, announced victory, the Yankees in joy. And we should not have so much fun,while they shot down rockets, knowing where they were flying.
        -A always the approximate direction of attack and the objects for covering air defense are known !!! Do not agree?
        1. svp67
          svp67 April 16 2018 11: 44
          +6
          Quote: your1970
          but always the approximate direction of attack and the objects for covering air defense are known !!!

          With what? With the fact that the directions of attack are not always known? Yes, they are not known, they are SUGGESTED, and they concentrate forces and means in these areas. But at the expense of facilities, it’s so clearly understood that airfields, communication centers and command posts, bridges, power plants, factories .... are objects of the first strike. So that some of the objects are known initially
          1. twviewer
            twviewer April 16 2018 15: 28
            +1
            As long as the heroes without awards in the desert will be tossed, they clearly defeated the blind again. I remember the heroes in the Crimea, that at their bases they closed up, they also won. And they went home, but ours are worse?
      3. Lycan
        Lycan April 16 2018 15: 12
        +4
        Each has its own goals:
        1) At Trump -
        a) not to "break firewood" for real, having sent himself extremely harsh criticism at the UN;
        b) nominally - not give a reason deserved the destruction of their flyers and ships;
        c) throw the bone of the pro-Western public - this is achieved, and with pom. The media is competently embellished (you can sign award litas, write prizes and make films);
        d) probing by cruise missiles the combat effectiveness of air defense and missile defense of the enemy;
        e) testing missiles with the goal of refinement taking into account the results of the experiment (see paragraph "d");
        f) a passing test of the "memory of peoples" on the subject - how long will his tricks be remembered;
        g) intelligence sanctions against the United States and Britain, which will be determined after the bombing;
        g) Wipe the nose of the Soviet complexes, showing that modern missiles are more effective than air defense / missile defense 30 and 40 years ago;
        2) The Allies -
        a) it was possible to evaluate the effectiveness of missiles in a real confrontation and with a tangible statistical probability of effectiveness.
        b) Trump's hint: "And whose missiles will have this performance better in conditions when we, and with our budget, have achieved so many results!" Nobody dares -> there will be orders.
        c) Maintaining the common agreed vector of the coalition "Assad must leave .. or die in ruins."
        3) Syria (although it is unpleasant to say this) -
        a) the use of technically obsolete systems with good efficiency is good, but due to aggression they can be allowed to purchase S-300.
        4) In Russia -
        a) statistics of the performance of old systems and refinement of new ones taking into account experience;
        b) signature research;
        c) advertising even outdated, but fully operational weapons with a look into the future;
        d) potential orders;
        e) the lever of political pressure on the USA and Britain through the prism of UN permanent representatives of other really independent countries that know the situation in Syria;
        ---------------------------
        In general, the result of the bombing is clearly more positive than, say, the bombing of Racca (or Dresden in 1945).
    2. Rostovchanin
      Rostovchanin April 16 2018 07: 17
      +17
      And I liked more nonsense about 76 missiles at the institute! People still cheat! wassat
      1. meandr51
        meandr51 April 16 2018 11: 37
        +2
        Did you spit it out?
      2. co-creator
        co-creator April 16 2018 11: 48
        +10
        Quote: Rostovchanin
        And I liked more nonsense about 76 missiles at the institute! People still cheat!

        Trump and Putin do not care for people. Here the main thing is who is the boss and this is trump. Putin de facto caved in and this is very bad. It would be better if the United States delivered a real strike with 300 missiles and we shot them down with all available air defense systems and if we shot down successfully, we could dictate the terms from a position of strength.
        1. Cynic
          Cynic April 16 2018 12: 50
          +16
          Quotation: blooded man
          if shot down successfully, they could ...

          And what is so small, 300?
          Suddenly fight back?
          Thousands had to be stipulated so that they would not fend off with a guarantee!
        2. sdc_alex
          sdc_alex April 16 2018 15: 58
          +12
          Putin de facto caved in and this is very bad.

          Now, if our not only missiles were shot down, but also their carriers, then you would yell that Putin was a complete half-wit because he had unleashed a war, etc. etc. And they would add that the war in Syria is not needed by the Russian people (such as you like to speak on behalf of the whole people) ........
          Manual however!
          1. wellaut
            wellaut April 17 2018 15: 46
            +2
            What is the manner of "Now, if ... then you would yell"?
            Many express their position very clearly, without any "if, yes, if only."
            In many of my comments, I also express the opinion that Putin was afraid to answer. What was necessary to land those two Jewish planes with their 8 missiles and then the 103rd KR in Damascus and the surrounding area would not be.
            And now, despite more and more materials that Russia is almost a winner, she behaved with restraint, learned all the secrets, experienced everything, etc. I believe that the answer should was to be really instant and irresistible that stop any thoughts about possible provocations.
            1. Alekhanets
              Alekhanets April 20 2018 11: 11
              0
              But how do you think they should have landed? -On the territory of Lebanon? .. or something else? .... for us and for no reason how many years already they have been hanging all the dogs, and here you decided to make a gift to them, violation of someone else’s airspace and the destruction of a military aircraft of another country on it .... I don’t know why many provocations with downed planes are made in order to prove that this aircraft entered the alien airspace ?!
        3. Lev Bronsch
          Lev Bronsch April 16 2018 22: 08
          +5
          Fu-fu-fu, liberalism is how pulled ..)) Whose you are a conspirator, it became directly interesting winked
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      4. ism_ek
        ism_ek April 16 2018 15: 29
        +1
        Quote: Rostovchanin

        And I liked more nonsense about 76 missiles at the institute!
        This is not nonsense. The Americans strike had two goals. Institute and the Three Sheds in Homs. They destroyed both targets. Recycled old rockets. We tested in practice a massive strike by cruise missiles.
        Our air defense systems worked perfectly. The claimed characteristics are confirmed.
        Unfortunately, cruise missiles have become much cheaper over the past 30 years. We need new air defense systems capable of fighting hundreds of simultaneously flying missiles.
        There are no Soviet backlogs in this area. Whether our industry is able to meet this challenge is hard to say.
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        2. Orionvit
          Orionvit April 18 2018 21: 54
          +1
          Quote: ism_ek
          Unfortunately, cruise missiles have become much cheaper over the past 30 years.

          What are they cheaper? Maybe they just riveted dofiga?
    3. NEXUS
      NEXUS April 16 2018 11: 41
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      Yes, to spend more than a hundred rockets to destroy three sheds, this is of course a BIG, no, JUST HUGE success of the USA and their “sixes” ... Directly AWESOME SUCCESS. No.

      Sheds with a rake and a pair of grades in the middle of the Syrian desert. It reminded me of the moment in the animated film “Wait a minute,” when the excavator tried to tear down the toilet, and as a result, it hit the nail in the ground. wassat
    4. ftc
      ftc April 16 2018 11: 42
      +1
      What do you call a shed the leading military research center for the development of chemical weapons in Damascus, the capital of Syria.
      Those even in the Syrian air defense capital could not protect anything.
      Look at these sheds at least on Google maps. Now this is already a story. Https://www.google.ru/maps/@33.5582725,36.3158404
      ,158m/data=!3m1!1e3
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS April 16 2018 12: 45
        +7
        Quote: ftc
        Those even in the Syrian air defense capital could not protect anything.

        Sorry, shoot 103 expensive axes in order to de-energize Damascus for a couple of hours ... well, if you think that mattresses have achieved a good result from a missile strike, then consider it. The 4 airfields on which the strike was sustained survived, and there were 100% interceptions, despite the fact that the KR set false targets, flew at a low altitude. And they were intercepted by their old Soviet air defense systems of the first series. So who benefits more from this missile strike?
      2. sivuch
        sivuch April 16 2018 13: 37
        +10
        And this is the barn. You can call it an unused room. And 3 axes allegedly fell on these 76 houses? Tell me, how much vodka / whiskey / arak should I drink in order to believe this?
      3. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 April 16 2018 14: 44
        +15
        Let me know how you see this very
        Quote: ftc
        leading military research center for the development of chemical weapons

        in Damascus and why is he there? That's out of interest? In your opinion, Assad has nowhere to put up mountains of money, except how to develop the latest OM? Why would he need such funds? What will he do with them?
        For the production of old, proven and deadly substances, such as Zarin or super-top-secret chlorine, research centers are not needed, can you imagine? We need several educated chemists and a not-so-complicated laboratory. You can have ten laboratories in different places. It will cost them like a good truck. And that’s all.
        It’s bad when a person’s mind consists of only stamps ...
        1. Mih1974
          Mih1974 April 16 2018 16: 16
          +3
          Chlorine in general can not be produced - it can be done legally and freely Buy good . This is certainly not the "smell of daisies", but also a secret weapon, it is a common household (on a city scale) chemistry, like demestos or "masha". lol
          1. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 April 16 2018 17: 56
            +1
            You will not believe, I know) ...
      4. sleeve
        sleeve April 16 2018 21: 14
        0
        Am I raving, or is it really written on my monitor?
      5. Cynic
        Cynic April 17 2018 12: 58
        +7
        Quote: ftc
        You will name the leading military research center a shed

        Where have you been in recent years? In suspended animation or purely ... decided to fill the price of buildings?
        So you guessed it ...
    5. Kent0001
      Kent0001 April 16 2018 12: 12
      +1
      And it would be cooler 100500 times if not a single rocket reached even a shed at the edge of the desert. It would be our Complete Victory, which would be given to the Syrian air defense ..... but they told us what to do, and we did.
    6. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker April 16 2018 14: 36
      +3
      Quote: svp67
      Straight STUNNING SUCCESS.

      Yeah ...
      It is briefly and clearly explained how a single combination of Russian and Soviet (modernized by Russia) air defense and electronic warfare systems worked in a limited conflict. The success in using the S-75, C-125, C-200, Cube and Buk type air defense systems cannot but impress. good
      Particularly impressive is the success of the C-75. This veteran passed, and successfully, all possible conflicts: from Vietnamese to Georgian-Abkhaz 1993.
      It is hoped that in the event of a massive strike threat of more than 500 KR, there will already be an A-50 pair in the air, with the redistribution of responsibilities in the directions.
    7. Petr petrov
      Petr petrov April 16 2018 14: 53
      +1
      Something I can not believe that 71 missiles were shot down !!!!!
      In the early hours, the Syrians announced 13 missiles !!!!!
      Well, after ours, they probably also recommended talking about 71 missiles !!!!
      1. ssergn
        ssergn April 16 2018 16: 11
        +3
        Yours are definitely recommended. laughing
      2. Orionvit
        Orionvit April 18 2018 22: 00
        +1
        Barbarians, shoot down "smart and beautiful rockets." God bless them with smart, but beautiful, sorry. What if they are also “sexual”? laughing
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    8. iouris
      iouris April 16 2018 14: 55
      +7
      It seems that the audience is not happy with how the raid was held. They require a replay ("Hit harder - I'm in the tank!").
    9. Petr petrov
      Petr petrov April 16 2018 15: 09
      +2
      I wonder if anyone had fired 103 missiles in Canada !!!!!
      How would pi..ndo..sia react !!!!!!! ??????
    10. galtuv
      galtuv April 16 2018 16: 47
      0
      and they even ask or demand to repay the US losses with these blows. Well, they’ve completely flown from the coils.
    11. Lower Ilimiec
      Lower Ilimiec April 16 2018 18: 11
      +1
      Politics in one word. Starting a war - a point, even with an obvious advantage, not producing an MRAU - is neither beautiful nor solid. Trained the crews in the desert. And the fishery is good - in the launchers you need to load fresh rockets.
    12. DEMENTOR
      DEMENTOR April 17 2018 09: 04
      0
      most likely, they have screwed up with old junk and moreover, what was written off long ago
    13. nickgv
      nickgv April 20 2018 14: 37
      0
      They’ll write off ... to Ukraine, you know ...
  2. Vard
    Vard April 16 2018 05: 48
    +29
    This is a modern war ... And for once we were ready for it ... But the enemy is not ... And it pleases .... I would also like to congratulate the department of RTU of the Samara Polytechnic University that made some contribution to these events ....
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          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack April 16 2018 07: 56
            +35
            Quote: Hanokem
            And then a lie, a constant lie ...

            What, don't like it? Get used to it, not you alone laughing
            1. zoolu350
              zoolu350 April 16 2018 16: 48
              +2
              One of the few right thoughts of yours is Golovan. I even pissed you off. However, the moments indicated by the Zionist (fascist) Hanokem have a place to be (we are seriously discussing the problem), which creates a very unpleasant situation with the cowardice and venality of your masters from the oligarchy of the Russian Federation.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack April 16 2018 16: 53
                0
                Quote: zoolu350
                I even pissed you

                Chur me, chur ... belay
                Quote: zoolu350
                However, the moments indicated by the Zionist (fascist) Hanokem

                Interestingly, pulls on an insult, or not? I grabbed the preys for much less ...
                Quote: zoolu350
                your masters from the oligarchy of the Russian Federation

                GYYY laughing good laughing
                I say - with you Kitty Kitty the plate is stuck yes
                1. Shahno
                  Shahno April 16 2018 16: 57
                  +5
                  I can not agree. But to equate Zionism and fascism .... Especially with an indication of the person., This is not decent. But from the principle I will not send anything to the moderators ....
                  1. zoolu350
                    zoolu350 April 17 2018 02: 48
                    +3
                    Do you send a definition of Zionism or do you find it yourself?
                  2. Mestny
                    Mestny April 18 2018 13: 12
                    0
                    And to pour mud and dirt on Russia and Russians here - is that a decent thing?
                    Whatever the post, it is certainly evil irony and poorly hidden mockery.
                    Do you really believe that you are unkillable?
                    1. Sheridan
                      Sheridan April 19 2018 09: 42
                      0
                      The indestructible agreed with the cultural nation, as it were. The result is known.
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 April 16 2018 08: 04
            +20
            Quote: Hanokem
            I would like to see the wreckage of at least one intercepted missile.

            This is to Poroshenko, he will find and show you any piece of iron.
            Quote: Hanokem
            since the Russo-Japanese War

            belay
            Quote: Hanokem
            Sovinformburo.

            Yes, it’s a pity that today Levitan is not. I wonder how much his head would be appreciated today.
          3. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 April 16 2018 08: 17
            +34
            By the way, I still remember how during the “Desert Storm” Americans turned videos around the world where their axes fly and hit targets. Now they are not for some reason. Are the batteries in the cell dead?
          4. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell April 16 2018 09: 53
            +6
            Quote: Hanokem
            immediately the wreckage showed the people.

            Well, give me time, they are now being collected in the desert and I think there will be a plane "in pairs". Wrong and
            Quote: Vard
            Department of RTU, Samara Polytechnic

            already put on the ears and there people rub their hands
            1. Sheridan
              Sheridan April 19 2018 09: 45
              +1
              On an Internet, two sources say that the Syrians sent 2 whole axes to Russia. The layout is good.
          5. DenZ
            DenZ April 16 2018 11: 12
            +10
            Quote: Hanokem
            Here ours shot down an Iranian drone - immediately the wreckage in the studio. When 2 months ago our F-16 was shot down, the debris was immediately shown to the people. And then a lie, a constant lie ...

            That is, if they did it as you would, everything would be kosher; "Teach better than your spider." And we ourselves no matter how we figure it out, where is the truth and where is the lie.
          6. E_V_N
            E_V_N April 16 2018 11: 35
            +23
            Quote: Hanokem
            I would like to see the wreckage of at least one intercepted missile. Here ours shot down an Iranian drone - immediately the wreckage in the studio. When 2 was shot down our F-16 a month ago, the debris was immediately shown to the people. And then a lie, a constant lie ... Ever since the Russo-Japanese War and the Sovinformburo ...

            Hanokem, So you are not far away, go (if the satellites and drones do not help) look for debris if it is so important to you.
            Of course, the Sovinformburo constantly lied, Germany won the war, the cities of the USSR were not captured and liberated, neither Moscow in 1941 nor Stalingrad in 1942, Kursk was not there, and indeed Germany did not attack the USSR, Germany in general with Israel in 1943- 1941, after all, there were no other victims and events besides the Holocaust during this period. What should “historical truth” look like?
            1. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell April 16 2018 13: 19
              +4
              Quote: E_V_N
              What should “historical truth” look like?

              Remember Kakmu Julian Semenov in Expansion? In short, the "truth" should be perceived by a housewife who does not like blood and cruelty, but after the passage of time: many times the repeated thought will become true. And what was really there - all the garbage, show must go on.
              Regarding the wreckage, I think there’s a desert race there now: the Chinese Toda really want
              1. Sheridan
                Sheridan April 19 2018 09: 48
                0
                Another phrase - "If ever, somewhere you hear Heil, know that our rebirth will begin from there." Convincing for the descendants of Moses?
            2. aloleggry
              aloleggry April 17 2018 13: 21
              +1
              I can add that if a platoon was not sent to the place where the wreckage fell to protect them, then it is useless to look for them. For this, each local will have a teapot from Tomahawk.
          7. co-creator
            co-creator April 16 2018 11: 53
            +2
            Quote: Hanokem
            I would like to see the wreckage of at least one intercepted missile. Here ours shot down an Iranian drone - immediately the wreckage in the studio. When 2 was shot down our F-16 a month ago, the debris was immediately shown to the people. And then a lie, a constant lie ... Ever since the Russo-Japanese War and the Sovinformburo ...

            Well, on your part, I would like to see confirmation of the hit of 76 missiles in three buildings. For example, in the video where the attack was shot, you can count about 20 explosions and that's it. Where is the rest?
            The wreckage will show, or maybe not, because it is not known what kind of agreement between the USA and the Russian Federation.
          8. Serhiodjan
            Serhiodjan April 16 2018 12: 11
            +10
            The poor fellow. You are on the side of the aggressive country of the United States, of course, this is a lie for you. But the chemical attack on the kids in the Duma is real, and the Russians prayed for Skripal. Well, well, don’t bother moving your rubbish on Russian sites, in their part of the Internet people have brains. You are an empire of lies, the majority of the world is already coming to an understanding of who the United States and its “allies” are, former slave owners and now they want to return everything back through incessant Goebbel propaganda, and even Goebbels would be shocked by his students there, and Hitler probably with respect He would have looked at the modern West, for he had achieved his goal — visible tolerance and real Nazism, a slightly different path but the same result.
            You are not friends with those Jews
          9. Igor Golov
            Igor Golov April 16 2018 12: 12
            +3
            Can you tell me how you are at war with Palestinian farmers? No, better not - don’t turn your fellow tribesmen into a bad nation.
          10. Cynic
            Cynic April 16 2018 13: 06
            +5
            Quote: Hanokem
            I would like to see the wreckage of at least one intercepted missile.

            Not seen yet?
            Of course, how can you find something if you don’t want it ...
            Quote: Hanokem
            And then a lie ...

            Then yesterday it was alleged that the guards bombed and the hesboll, and chemical targets, neither, nor?
            Okay, let's not talk about sad things, a little about myths supported by you and you, so.
            What do you think, how to assess the bombing of warehouses with highly toxic military warfare agents located in the city?
            The man who gave, suppose, such a command, is he mentally normal?
            Indeed, God bless America, but those who live there have survived from the mind ...
          11. prapor75m
            prapor75m April 16 2018 13: 28
            +9
            when your f-16 failed, also with such pomp your Israeli media and of their faces lied that the air defense of the SAR was destroyed, where is the photo, where is the dock request .... Yuri Lyamin’s website thoroughly dismantled everything, one hangar and the Iranian UAV control post on a car chassis - that’s all that the “vaunted” Israeli air force was able to laughing so the road to ukro sites is dear to you - they will willingly support you (jump together)
          12. sivuch
            sivuch April 16 2018 14: 29
            +2
            And the fact that they already were, you do not know? Though not a shame
            1. prapor75m
              prapor75m April 16 2018 20: 46
              +2
              do not disgrace yourself, Israel is an ally of the United States, and you and others like you on the VO website to promote your western "truth" I repeat want to find support for your Israeli delirium, you are dear to sites hi
              1. sivuch
                sivuch April 17 2018 07: 57
                +6
                Actually, my answer to the post of my compatriot with the formidable nickname HaNokem (the avenger) with his mixture of illiteracy and aplomb. But if you are on the same post, and even misunderstood by you, draw such conclusions - then you are no better than him.
          13. ism_ek
            ism_ek April 16 2018 15: 48
            +2
            Quote: Hanokem
            I would like to see the wreckage of at least one intercepted missile.

            The modern cruise missile is made primarily of carbon fiber. Missiles were launched not at the maximum distance, so each had a minimum of a ton of fuel. Finding the wreckage will be difficult. This is not a metal f-16.
            Let's go from the opposite. Photos of the Syrian Research Institute are available. 70 axes got into it?
            1. Shahno
              Shahno April 16 2018 16: 09
              0
              Regarding the effectiveness of the US strike. You can try to objectively estimate. Photos of objects that are accessible, where there is destruction, at least satellite images .. For what total area were the destruction of 80 percent, multiplied by the mass of warheads for 100 percent. multiply by the amendment in 1.2 (not all photos are there). We get the total bz. We distribute on tomahawks and in-surface 50 on 50 according to the number of missiles. Based on the performance characteristics we get the result. Only I, unfortunately, do not have a video photo ... I do not know where to look. If you help, I can count. Or count yourself.
              1. E_V_N
                E_V_N April 16 2018 21: 12
                +1
                Quote: Shahno
                Only I, unfortunately, do not have a video photo ... I do not know where to look. If you help, I can count. Or count yourself.

                We make it easier, take an abandoned building (good after 6 years of war of this good in Syria in bulk). We undermine it with a tomahawk, since no one will defend the air defense because of an empty building, we declare that it is a laboratory or chemical weapons warehouse and .... here you have 100% success of the operation.
                And the fact that someone will later say that the building is empty will no longer be important; you will already rejoice at the great victory.
              2. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I April 17 2018 15: 36
                +3
                Quote: Shahno
                Regarding the effectiveness of the US strike

                Yes, you just ... calmly ... even, with a lazy "rustle in convolutions" ... Believe Trump! What did he say there? Three objects and all the CRs (St. hundreds ...) hit the target .... You have pictures “before and after” .... According to Trump, it turns out that 30-35 “tomahawks” “hit” each object ... I don’t know about you; but I think that after 30-35 warheads (+ fuel residues in the tanks ...) at the site of the "object" it should turn out not just a waste ground but a foundation pit! One ..... but big! Do you see such a pit? bully
                1. Shahno
                  Shahno April 17 2018 15: 56
                  0
                  I believe that not all objects have been shown. Suppose serious destruction on four. 105 missiles were launched, for those reasons 100 remained, fifteen were left for other purposes. The remainder of 85 on four objects. 50 percent reflect the shell and. etc. (with Russian instructors). It remains to be seen whether 5 cr and 5 agm 158 are capable of causing such destruction. Why not?
                  1. Nikolaevich I
                    Nikolaevich I April 17 2018 16: 45
                    +2
                    Quote: Shahno
                    It remains to be seen whether 5 cr and 5 agm 158 are capable of causing such destruction. Why not?

                    But not 30-35 warheads in one place? And then ... good! And then Trump said that every single (!) Missile reached its intended (!) Goals. Yes, some facilities were destroyed and quite ... But, according to the statements of the Syrian authorities, confirmed by Russian representatives, these facilities were not protected by air defense, because the equipment and documentation, personnel were removed in a timely manner ... Judging by the fact that the facilities were not defended, no one was going to return there. Although it would be because they are very vulnerable to missile attacks, for example, from the air ... There were 6 airfields, but there were air defense, airfields were defended. As a result, only a few missiles broke through to the airfields .N about there were no significant damage. Trump said Syrian airfields were not the target of the Tomahawks; but they say that there are many pictures in the Arab media where Arabs pose against the backdrop of the wreckage of the Kyrgyz Republic. I have not managed to get to these media so far. And you, I think, will make it easier .. By the way, the Kyrgyz Republic intercepted over deserted, inaccessible areas and it takes time. To collect more debris ... hi
                    1. Shahno
                      Shahno April 17 2018 17: 12
                      0
                      Yes, you are right in some things. It’s hard to evaluate, so I did a general assessment. Moreover, this coincides with the effectiveness of air defense in our attack on the Iranian base in the T4 area.
          14. ssergn
            ssergn April 16 2018 16: 16
            0
            2Hanokem
            I would like to see a warehouse with chemical weapons (which, for a minute, EVERYTHING was transferred to the OPCW and destroyed), and not just a building. If you / in the west / in the Nate have such pesent intelligence, let's get the facts - a photo. Netuti? So there is nothing to balabolit! The same is for me a predator of democracy.
            Che you wrote about liars there? I looked in the mirror?
          15. Mih1974
            Mih1974 April 16 2018 16: 20
            0
            Go gobble up the contents of the "Paeul test tube", if you survive - you yourself are a liar and you need to be burned like a witch in the Middle Ages, if you die - we will "apologize" for your corpse. laughing tongue
      2. Soho
        Soho April 16 2018 08: 54
        +30
        Hanokem (Hanokem)
        Russia has turned

        Here is a summary of your post:
        1. Statement by the Pentagon on the results of the shelling on April 14th.
        2. Statement by the General Staff of the Russian Federation on the results of countering the attack.
        3. Chewing various stories from Russian TV.
        4. Heart-rending cries of "Russians are all lying! Russia is a country of liars!"
        and now indicate the place in the set of words that you pass off as your opinion, the place in which the analysis was made, which made it possible to draw the above conclusion. And preferably the arguments on which this analysis is based belay
      3. Oleg14774
        Oleg14774 April 16 2018 09: 22
        +17
        Quote: Hanokem
        Separate the grain from the chaff.
        What we have
        Question. When in Russia will this bacchanalia of lies of a Goebbelsian scale cease? .

        Answer: when the same Goebbels propaganda ceases in the west. (chemical attacks in Syria, in England and a bunch more)
      4. Antares
        Antares April 16 2018 10: 28
        +7
        Quote: Hanokem
        When in Russia will this bacchanalia of lies of a Goebbelsian scale cease? The president is lying, the Foreign Ministry is lying, the General Staff is lying, the TV program hosts are lying, the hired "experts" are lying, the "Prigogine" people are lying on social networks. Russia has become the country of Lgunia.

        Tru eyes, did anyone dare to write such a thing here. Only for the courage I already want to thank.
        Honestly, all articles that come out contain exactly the data of the Ministry of Defense. And it is this information that is "unwound" everywhere. In the news, opinions, analytics ... that is, readers do not have alternative versions in advance. Only "official".
        Well, how can one think with his head ... if everyone lies, then at least they added up the data of everyone and would roughly make up a picture where someone overestimated, someone belittled the arithmetic average at least.
        The fact that the information war - I agree, the justification for any information. But the modern world is not black and white. Color.
        I’m even more annoyed that all the forces of the information “Fighting” of the Russian Federation with partners are not even thrown into a fairy tale from the Moscow Region, but to smooth out the fact of the blow itself. They say we won again despite the blow. The very fact of the strike already says a lot.
        And the information for the MO is purely for domestic consumption. It does not stand up to criticism even if they all lie. Both there and here.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack April 16 2018 10: 41
          +20
          Quote: Antares
          Tru eyes, did anyone dare to write such a thing here. Only for courage I want to thank

          What a touching unity, ahem, a Ukrainian, a, um, an Israeli. I do not believe my eyes belay
          But what about - "where did one go - the second cried"?
          Brrr ... well, the week begins fellow
          1. Sheridan
            Sheridan April 19 2018 09: 55
            0
            Type - "For the company, and the Jew strangled?" Yes, not in vain not happen to this (but how much I get for hanging myself).
        2. co-creator
          co-creator April 16 2018 12: 06
          +2
          Quote: Antares
          The fact that the information war - I agree, the justification for any information. But the modern world is not black and white. Color.

          No, in the information war, the world is only black and white, it always has been, and it will be so.
          Quote: Antares
          I’m even more annoyed by the fact that all the forces of the information "Struggle" of the Russian Federation with partners are not even thrown into a fairy tale from the Moscow Region,

          Do you have any arguments to declare the words MO a fairy tale or are you a participant in the info fight?
          Quote: Antares
          and to smooth out the fact of the blow itself. Say we won again despite the blow. The very fact of the strike already says a lot.

          You are a strange man, by golly. Well, let’s the 41st announcer to the Soviet people broadcast instead of “the red army inflicting heavy defeats on the Germans retreats” broadcasting “is very bad, the USSR slept through the war, a million people were captured, so many planes were destroyed at the airport, etc."
          Quote: Antares
          And the information for the MO is purely for domestic consumption. It does not stand up to criticism even if they all lie. Both there and here.

          WELL YOU GIVE YOUR VERSION, criticize who is bothering you? Instead, you are here about lies and propaganda write.
          Quote: Antares
          Tru eyes, did anyone dare to write such a thing here. Only for the courage I already want to thank.

          What do you thank him for propaganda? Oh well.
        3. freddyk
          freddyk April 16 2018 12: 07
          +3
          I’m even more annoyed that all the forces of the information “Fighting” of the Russian Federation with partners are not even thrown into a fairy tale from the Moscow Region, but to smooth out the fact of the blow itself. They say we won again despite the blow. The very fact of the strike already says a lot.


          And so it is, a blow for the sake of a blow, out of principle. And our excuses, a conversation in favor of the poor.
        4. businessv
          businessv April 16 2018 12: 30
          0
          Quote: Antares
          Tru eyes, did anyone dare to write such a thing here. Only for the courage I already want to thank.

          Thank not only for your courage, but also for utter stupidity and, of course, in tune with your ideas about Russia! You, along with your Jewish hero, who is famous, at least look at the photo of the consequences of the strike, which was allegedly made by 76 (!!!!!!!!!) missiles at the research center! There, for people like you, specially set arrows about the actual number of missiles that got into it! Count, unsubscribe, but pre-calculate the approximate amount of explosives = 177 * 76 = 13452 kg! 13,5 tons of explosives! Isn't it a bit much for a research institute? There is still such a thing that medicines were released there and people worked, now the country will be forced to buy medicines, and people will look for work. Businessman Trump, however! wink
        5. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny April 16 2018 20: 26
          +2
          So take it and prove that the Russian Defense Ministry is “storytellers”. If there’s nothing, then according to the British Defense Ministry, "step aside and shut up."
      5. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker April 16 2018 10: 44
        +7
        Quote: Hanokem
        Separate the grain from the chaff.
        What do we have.

        So the victim of the information war has become apparent.
        And he could live ... laughing
        1. ssergn
          ssergn April 16 2018 16: 20
          +1
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          So the victim of the information war has become apparent.
          And he could live ...


          could if. had brains ...
      6. Julio Jurenito
        Julio Jurenito April 16 2018 10: 48
        +1
        Managed - streamline.
        1. lady.endzhi
          lady.endzhi April 16 2018 11: 50
          +2
          Julio Jurenito
          Who got it? At least one Russian soldier injured? Or our bases? What the president said, he did.
      7. DenZ
        DenZ April 16 2018 11: 10
        +3
        Quote: Hanokem
        According to him, it turned out that “the crew consists of two people”, while the combat crew of the Buk air defense system consists of four people

        Was there no emphasis in this report on the exact number of people in the calculation of the air defense system, why were you so excited?
        Quote: Hanokem
        When in Russia will this bacchanalia of lies of a Goebbelsian scale cease?

        Good question. And in the West, when will it stop? We didn’t begin this bacchanalia, but it seems we will have to rake it. As always.
      8. Igor V
        Igor V April 16 2018 11: 27
        +6
        "" The crew consists of two people, "while the combat crew of the Buk air defense system consists of four people."
        This is subtly noticed. At one time, my crew (as it was on the staffing table) consisted of 6 people, but only three were available. And nothing, coped, even fit into the standards! But among these three there were no Hanokem compatriots, maybe that's why they coped.
      9. uhu189
        uhu189 April 16 2018 11: 34
        +1
        At least a few photos with rocket fragments were published (at least 2) of which one is British. And launching 75 Tomahawks in one research center is not funny even by Israeli standards. I do not presume to judge by the number of missiles shot down, but usually the results of strikes are published immediately, well, within a couple of days. In addition to the broken center and strange sheds in the desert, there is nothing more on the net. To defeat 105 missiles, plus bombs, is somehow not enough, I think this is obvious to everyone. Even in Shayrat the effect was more serious ... Therefore, leave your pathos posts for other topics
      10. meandr51
        meandr51 April 16 2018 11: 42
        +4
        When in the USA will this bacchanalia of lies cease? The president is lying, the Foreign Ministry is lying, the Committee of Chiefs of Staff is lying, the TV program hosts are lying, the hired "experts" are lying, the "Pentagon" people are lying on social networks. The United States has become the country of Liunia. To the question, where are you from, one must answer - “I am from the country of Liunia”. And it will be clear to everyone where you are from. From Lgunii, not Lemuria.
        But in essence: where is the defeat of important Syrian sites? Where is the combat effect? If we assume that the Americans do not lie (as an exception), then their situation is even worse. Their missiles are generally not operational.
      11. boboss
        boboss April 16 2018 11: 43
        0
        most likely that you poisoned Srypaley
      12. sergei ivakih64
        sergei ivakih64 April 16 2018 11: 49
        0
        Yes, you’re right, I’m sleeping on the sofa?
      13. co-creator
        co-creator April 16 2018 11: 50
        +2
        Quote: Hanokem
        Question. When in Russia will this bacchanalia of lies of a Goebbelsian scale cease? The president is lying, the Foreign Ministry is lying, the General Staff is lying, the presenters of TV programs are lying, the hired "experts" are lying, the "Prigogine" people are lying on social networks.

        Can you justify your words about a lie? Or are you going to lie to us about 76 missiles trapped in three buildings? It is very strange when a propagandist and a liar accuse others of lying.
      14. lady.endzhi
        lady.endzhi April 16 2018 11: 54
        +3
        Hanokem (Hanokem)
        So, we have a bacchanalia of lies, and the Americans, who need to save their face during this incomprehensible operation, are telling the truth in a clean eye?) Where do you come from, well, the truth is in the last resort.
      15. Tolyamba Zamkadsky
        Tolyamba Zamkadsky April 16 2018 12: 21
        +1
        So sho here comrades from the unworthy ishail forgot?
      16. serezhasoldatow
        serezhasoldatow April 16 2018 12: 23
        0
        You poured a lot of dirt on your homeland, so you are not subject to logic. Conclusion-You DB on Lavrov.
      17. Ramzay121
        Ramzay121 April 16 2018 12: 44
        +4
        Quote: Hanokem
        Separate the grain from the chaff.

        It is not even a matter of how many missiles were intercepted or not, which I doubt very much. They showed all the goals, all in ruins. But the fact is that they said hit and hit, and someone said we will answer, but could not, left the allies alone. The purpose of the attacks was to prove it.
        1. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny April 16 2018 20: 29
          +1
          For those who gather news on the markets, we read carefully what they said - IF at least one Russian soldier is hurt. Yes, but don’t remind me what balabol said about the conquest of Armenia?
          1. Ramzay121
            Ramzay121 April 17 2018 10: 42
            +1
            Quote: Okolotochny
            For those who gather news on the markets, we read carefully what they said - IF at least one Russian soldier is hurt. Yes, but don’t remind me what balabol said about the conquest of Armenia?

            That the hangover doesn’t go away, drink another. They smashed the floor of Syria, but they didn’t hook us, and we stand firm as an anchor in the middle of the desert. True head in the sand.
            1. stivev
              stivev April 20 2018 06: 51
              0
              [/ quote] They smashed the sex of Syria, we were not hooked and we are firmly standing like anchar in the middle of the desert. True head in the sand. [/ Quote] I think you are distracted from your velvet revolution. Return to duty immediately.
              1. Ramzay121
                Ramzay121 April 20 2018 10: 41
                0
                Quote: stivev
                I think you are distracted from your velvet revolution. Return to duty immediately.

                You first understand the maps where which country is and where the velvet revolution. So not at the address. Is free
        2. E_V_N
          E_V_N April 16 2018 21: 54
          +1
          Quote: Ramzay121
          But the fact is that they said hit and hit, and someone said we will answer, but could not, left the allies alone. The purpose of the attacks was to prove it.

          Dear Putin, he calls the United States, the EU and Israel "partners". Do you seriously think that we are really partners? What are the partners, where are the partners?
          Well, do you call Russia and Syria with Turkey allies, which is also in all seriousness? What union, when, against whom did they make? Himself is not funny.
          Russia has its own interests in Syria, and this is not at all keeping Assad in power at all costs, and not a struggle with the whole world for the interests of Syria, on some issues, the interests of Russia and Assad coincide .. Russia's interests in Syria are defended quite efficiently, but to tear "vests for Assad" no one is going to fight to the last for him, too.
          So, you don’t have to invent the Unions yourself and then accuse Russia of betraying the allies.
          PS, you yourself would have thought, the United States, Britain and France fired 105 missiles at Syria, and did not kill a single Syrian, this is an “extremely effective strike”.
      18. midivan
        midivan April 16 2018 12: 47
        +3
        Quote: Hanokem
        Question. When in Russia will this bacchanalia of lies of a Goebbelsian scale cease? The president is lying, the Foreign Ministry is lying, the General Staff is lying, the presenters of TV programs are lying, the hired "experts" are lying, the "Prigogine" people are lying on social networks.

        So -
        Quote: Hanokem
        These facilities are a research center in Damascus (76 missiles sent)
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoJsaTO_hH4
        And on this very building of 76 missiles? ? 76 axes, Karl! -According to Wikipedia (plus minus back and forth in kilograms) OFDF WDU-36 / B, 340 kg (BB - PBXN-107): 76 x 300 (kg) = about 23 tons of explosives, is there a damn solid bomb shelter? Well and further - the Estimated cost is 1,45 [4] million dollars (2014). Again, we take it very, very rude, let the lyam stand, oh well, to hell with it with a rocket, let it cost half a lyam, and this is 38 lyam bucks! Woo good victory so victory, triumph of idiots!
        1. Artemy
          Artemy April 16 2018 12: 58
          +5
          Quote: midivan
          Again, take it very, very rude, let the lam stand, oh well, to hell with it with a rocket, let it cost half a lyam, and this is 38 lyam bucks! Woo good victory so victory, triumph of idiots!

          Well, yes, but to see the strategists under cover of fighters with refueling in the air in order to bombard the clay “headquarters” of the barmalei with Caliber, I don’t see much trouble?
          1. midivan
            midivan April 16 2018 13: 19
            +2
            Quote: Artemy
            Well, yes, but to see the strategists under cover of fighters with refueling in the air in order to bombard the clay “headquarters” of the barmalei with Caliber, I don’t see much trouble?

            I’ll say more, I’m absolutely FSU, I brought a minimum, you probably noticed that I cut off more than half of everything, since any smart person already had enough, but in general the answer was supposedly to our box, which I would like to notice 76 discs on one building complete nonsense and further attention is not worth it request And as for our strategists, they don’t scorch far behind and the broads have noticeably decreased, which cannot be said about the red-haired operation.
          2. K-50
            K-50 April 16 2018 16: 02
            0
            Quote: Artemy
            Well, yes, but to see the strategists under cover of fighters with refueling in the air in order to bombard the clay “headquarters” of the barmalei with Caliber, I don’t see much trouble?

            Well, they have such training. After one and the other they showed "you cannot hide from us, no matter how far you stumble." And that a dozen or two Kalibrov were dumped on the barmalei, then it’s better that we utilize them (the barmalei) there, than they spread around the planet like cockroaches, then chase after them.
            Ultimately, it is not known how expensive it will be.
          3. Sheridan
            Sheridan April 19 2018 10: 02
            0
            That's why they drive strategists and fighters for BATTLE APPLICATION in order to bring amers to life. Glory to the Russian Aerospace Forces!
      19. andj61
        andj61 April 16 2018 13: 40
        +2
        7
        Quote: Hanokem
        When in Russia will this bacchanalia of lies of a Goebbelsian scale cease? The president is lying, the Foreign Ministry is lying, the General Staff is lying, the TV program hosts are lying, the hired "experts" are lying, the "Prigogine" people are lying on social networks. Russia has become the country of Lgunia. To the question, where are you from, one must answer - “I am from the country of Liunia”. And it will be clear to everyone where you are from. From Lgunii, not Lemuria.

        And you're lying! bully At least, you are not trying to analyze or at least just perceive the information. And the country of Liar is already there. You can’t remember Colin Powell’s test tube, but Iraq is in ruins! It happens, a mistake as a result of monstrous lies. yes But it's kind of like a long time. Recall recent events. What year was it? 2015? In Syria, thanks to the mediation and assistance of Russia and with the assistance of the USA, China, etc. the entire arsenal of chemical weapons was destroyed. The OPCW reported on this, the United States confirmed this, and the OPCW even received the Nobel Prize. Now they don’t remember about it. So when the United States at the highest official level lied - then or now?
        Assad is said to produce chemical weapons. Evidence - zero, but Assad does not make sense! He clearly wins, any such fact is suicidal for him. Now - he was accused of using chemical weapons in the Duma. And what? Chlorine! Just that, for the production of which nothing special is required - it can be done in artisanal conditions - no special industries, laboratories, etc. are needed. And chlorine can be taken in any water utility - it is used to disinfect water. And our military has repeatedly shown artisanal laboratories where militants filled ammunition with chlorine. Everyone is silent about this. As well as about the fact that our general staff warned in March about an attempt by militants with the help of Western intelligence to arrange a provocation specifically with chlorine. After all, there is no sense in the military use of chlorine - it needs to pour a tank of 20 tons to make sense. And there was no use - only the lazy one did not report this fake. But here the mission of the OPCW experts did not even wait - they hit on the eve of the beginning of their work. And who is lying? And there is also the country of Lgunishkia. This is me about the Little Brittons. The Swiss laboratory, which worked on the analysis of organic matter in Salisbury, provided information on specific gas parameters. But OM, satisfying these parameters, was not produced either in the USSR or in Russia - only in the USA, Great Britain, etc. (By the way, Novichok was not produced in Russia either — only in Nukus, Uzbekistan. It was also destroyed there under the control of the Americans. Or not until the end?) The OPCW, which is under the control of the hegemon, bashfully kept silent about this - they say, it seems possible to determine. And the Swiss did not say anything!
        Next - on missiles. We have debris shot down publish a little. And the Arab media is full of Syrians posing against their background. But it won’t convince you - you’ll say it is the wreckage of those who hit the target, then - about the destruction of chemical weapons warehouses, laboratories and production facilities. And something that worked the destroyed buildings are dismantled without chemical protection kits, and people walk around near the idle ones, And the correspondents happily photograph it. If there were chemical weapons, or toxic components - hell would have gone there. Here is another lie!
        And all three current persons involved in the attack suddenly worried about the inadmissibility of the use of chemical weapons. Why's that? During the Iran-Iraq war, they all supported Saddam Hussein when he persecuted the Iranians - everything, they say, is lawful and beautiful!
        The funny thing is that you understand all this very well, but follow the logic of fake news and twitter diplomacy. Good luck in this difficult matter!
      20. sivuch
        sivuch April 16 2018 13: 45
        +1
        Slicha. Do you even understand what nonsense they wrote? About the military calculation of the air defense system Buk of 4 people, for example? This T-34 tank has a crew of 4 people, while the medium-range air defense system has a little more.
        After all, they will cease to take you seriously.
        1. Sheridan
          Sheridan April 19 2018 10: 05
          0
          Do not confuse the combat calculation of the SOU with the combat calculation of the Buk air defense system. Nekopenhagen in the subject - do not drive the blizzard.
      21. engineer74
        engineer74 April 16 2018 14: 11
        0
        Quote: Hanokem
        Separate the grain from the chaff.
        What do we have.
        On the night of April 14, the United States, Britain, and France struck 105 cruise missiles at three sites in Syria, connected, according to Western intelligence, with Bashar al-Assad’s chemical warfare arsenal. These facilities are a research center in Damascus (76 missiles sent), a warehouse with chemical weapons (22) ...

        22 (!) Rockets in the rocks with HIM. WEAPONS !!! Where is the infection ?! Where are hundreds of dead ?!
        One of two: either a warehouse to chemical. I didn’t have a weapon, or there weren’t 22 hits - in any case, you are lying! Goebbels, looking at you, turns over in his grave!
        1. K-50
          K-50 April 16 2018 16: 25
          0
          Quote: engineer74
          You are lying! Goebbels, looking at you, turns over in his grave!

          Rather, he proudly sets out "My school!" yes
      22. SETTGF
        SETTGF April 16 2018 15: 27
        0
        Hanokem! Before you write your own nonsense, watch the video showing the Syrian airfields after the attack by the forces of the aggressor states: USA, UNITED KINGDOM, France ... There is no destruction! Therefore, you are just a sofa troll liar and not only!
      23. K-50
        K-50 April 16 2018 15: 47
        0
        Quote: Hanokem
        Question. When in Russia will this bacchanalia of lies of a Goebbelsian scale cease?

        The biggest liar of History is probably Goebels, who, incidentally, was a Jew. Your people constantly carries such a blizzard that they only hate you for this. Therefore, to say that Russia allegedly would have lied to something, for you, at least, is not decent.
        You see liars every day in the mirror. yes
        1. Sheridan
          Sheridan April 19 2018 10: 08
          0
          This I can’t bear. Sample - Aryan Jew?
      24. albert
        albert April 16 2018 16: 12
        +1
        Quote: Hanokem
        "I am from the country of Lguniya"

        Yes, for the village of Izrailovka, a good name, Mr. Vrun.
      25. Cynic
        Cynic April 16 2018 17: 32
        0
        Purely rhetorically
        https://www.5-tv.ru/news/196942/?utm_referrer=htt
        ps% 3A% 2F% 2Fzen.yandex.com
  3. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah April 16 2018 05: 49
    +7
    You can say anything, and console yourself with the "stupidity" of the United States. Hit once by, hit two in milk. But you can hit in the present. At that moment, when we will wait again for white milk. That's why such toothlessness is dangerous. There was an A-50 long-range radar detection and control aircraft in Syria, but neither the S-400 nor the S-300B4 have the means to receive information via non-directional communication channels from this flying radar. Not to mention Syrian air defense. "And the same Rudskoy should know about this and draw certain conclusions. Although, of course, this strike brought valuable information to us. The Russian S-300 and S-400 located in Syria discovered and took Western missiles for escort, collecting information for analysis and study
    1. Mar.Tirah
      Mar.Tirah April 16 2018 06: 16
      +5
      And here is what the former deputy commander in chief of air defense, Lieutenant General Alexander Luzan, said about the state of Syrian air defense. He noted that Syrian air defense is quite powerful. The main striking force was the latest Buk-M2 multi-channel anti-aircraft missile system, which Syria managed to buy from Russia shortly before the start of the civil war. Prior to that, Damascus had the Buk-M1 complex. “The important point is that the Buka-M 2 includes, in addition to a self-propelled multi-channel firing system, an illumination and guidance radar (RPN), which is equipped with a highly elevated antenna - 22,5 meters per two minutes. This expands the affected area by cruise missiles operating at extremely low altitudes. If all other air defense systems that do not have a high antenna can shoot at a cruise missile flying at an altitude of 15 meters in a radius of 12-15 kilometers, then the Buk-M2 allows you to shoot at a range of 40-42 kilometers. That is, during the approach of cruise missiles to the target, he can conduct several firing cycles. Each Buk-M2 self-propelled firing system provides simultaneous firing of four targets. The division has six units and on-load tap-changers. For one salvo, the division is capable of shooting down 24 cruise missiles, and since the damage zones are moved forward, then 30-40 missiles, ”explained Alexander Luzan.

      Also, before the start of the civil war, Syria acquired the Shell-C1 from Russia. This complex does not have a highly elevated antenna, but has a short reaction time, so it manages to effectively fire a cruise missile at close range. According to the expert, it was the “Shells” and “Buki-M2” that became the main means of destroying enemy missiles
      Older air defense systems also do not need to be written off, Luzan believes. “The“ great-grandfather ”“ Buka-M2 ”-“ Square ”- the export name of the Soviet anti-aircraft missile system“ Cube ”works very well on cruise missiles. It was released over 30 years ago. But it was very successfully used in the Middle East, especially in Egypt. During the Arab-Israeli war, it was Square, when it was first put there, that 78% of Israeli aircraft were destroyed. The Americans were forced to refuel Phantoms to Israel with air refueling in order to somehow increase its potential. Therefore, this time the “Square” could be used, ”Luzan believes. In turn, the ex-commander of the 4th Air Force and Air Defense Army Hero of Russia, Lieutenant General Valery Gorbenko, agrees that the number of intercepted missiles by the Syrian defenders showed not just high and a fantastic result: “The effectiveness of the strike (of the Western coalition) is not high,” Gorbenko said, adding that the Syrian Buk’s, as well as the S-75 and S-200 complexes, were working at distant approaches, “and closer to the targets were the most effective "Armor". Luzan emphasized that the air defense system is considered strong if it affects more than 60% of the targets, so the result deserves all praise. At the same time, Gorbenko noted that such a high efficiency indicator was achieved solely thanks to Russia, which helped Syria restore anti-aircraft missile systems. The training programs for Syrian rocketers were no less useful. “Maybe we helped them somewhere during the launches ... I don’t know ... But they probably prompted me,” the lieutenant general suggested. As for the use of the S-200, Luzan recalled that there were two groups of divisions with these weapons in Syria. “But the cruise missile is not the target for the S-200. And the carriers of cruise missiles did not enter the zone of his defeat, so if the S-200 shot down something there, then this is one or two targets ”
      1. basmach
        basmach April 16 2018 10: 35
        +5
        Only here they are modestly silent about the quality of training of "local" air defense personnel. And it was not ah in the middle of the 90's, even though there were a lot of those who studied in the Union. At the beginning of the 90, the Syrians practically abandoned our specialists. The result is deplorable. The first question the captain asked me when he met me in Homs — I brought some spare parts. In the regiment (Su-22M4), I was one more boss (general adviser to the Syrian commander). In Homs we were still 2 Pvoshnika (then another one drove up to them) and 2 from Ukraine (to repair tanks, but we took off practically did not communicate). And from conversations with the guys I realized what kind of specialists they are. Yes, and he saw. The first thing that I did in TEC was to launch a CPA for the Orbit 20-22 digital computer. They did not even know how to run it, not to mention how to perform checks on it. Fortunately, the stand worked for them and the faulty boards were searched by brute force until it worked.
        And I really doubt that over the past 23 years, something in their training has changed for the better.
      2. Procyon lotor
        Procyon lotor April 16 2018 10: 53
        0
        Since air defense worked so effectively, how did they lose the war? Just do not need the fact that the Americans delivered so many planes (for example, F-4 delivered about 40 pieces) that the air defense could not bring them all down. The official losses of the Israeli air force during the war in 1973 were 102 aircraft (128 for some), including 32 F-4 Phantoms. Why did the Syrians manage to bring down much more planes compared to the Egyptians, this is because Israel, on the Syrian front, had to take big risks from its tactical situation.
        1. Igor Golov
          Igor Golov April 16 2018 12: 15
          +1
          The Syrians have not lost anything. And they will never lose.
          1. Sheridan
            Sheridan April 19 2018 10: 12
            0
            The film “The Dawns Here Are Quiet” - “You have not passed here and NEVER will pass. And personally, I will personally shoot everyone!” Syrians are fighting for survival and will survive.
    2. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack April 16 2018 06: 17
      +11
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      Hit once by, hit two in milk

      In your opinion: did they accidentally miss, or did they intentionally do so?
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      But they can really hit. At that moment, when we will wait again for white milk

      Can not. Could - would have already hit.
      1. Mar.Tirah
        Mar.Tirah April 16 2018 07: 05
        +4
        There are no accidents in our world. What question is the answer. They beat for sure, but by. laughing laughing laughing As the US ambassador, Trump, on Putin’s leash, is it strange that he still works after such a statement? Or maybe it's just a diplomatic trick?
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack April 16 2018 07: 30
          +9
          Quote: Mar. Tira
          Beat for sure, but by

          good #granite laughing
          Quote: Mar. Tira
          As the American ambassador, Trump, on Putin’s leash, said. Is it strange that he still works after such a statement?

          They have, damn it, pluralism of opinions and tolerance. "What I want is screaming."
          By the way, from comparatively recent times, here too. I don’t know how anyone, but sometimes it wildly gets me request
      2. co-creator
        co-creator April 16 2018 12: 16
        +1
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        In your opinion: did they accidentally miss, or did they intentionally do so?

        Well, they got where they shot except for the missiles that shot down
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Can not. Could - would have already hit.

        there is no task of hitting Assad, but if it is hit. As this confrontation showed, we retreated, but they did not. It’s just that Syria is already lost and the United States has no sense in escalating, but to show that the Russian Federation cannot protect its ally and at the expense of it goes to deals, they can and did it.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack April 16 2018 12: 49
          +3
          Quotation: blooded man
          there is no task to hit Assad, but if they hit

          Will be? Something tells me that no.
          Quotation: blooded man
          The Russian Federation cannot protect an ally, and at its expense goes to transactions

          Do you know what the Shnobel Prize is? wink
          1. co-creator
            co-creator April 16 2018 14: 25
            0
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Will be? Something tells me that no.

            Yes, a week ago they said the same thing about Assad's bombing.
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Do you know what the Shnobel Prize is?

            Well, how many bonuses did you get?
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack April 16 2018 14: 29
              0
              Quotation: blooded man
              a week ago, the same thing was said about Assad's bombing

              Who, excuse me, said that?
              Quotation: blooded man
              Well, how many bonuses did you get?

              Not for us, but for you request
        2. lady.endzhi
          lady.endzhi April 16 2018 12: 52
          0
          co-creator
          How is it - there is no task to hit Assad? Yes, they have long been aiming to demolish it from the "throne". If there weren’t Russian troops there, then such a task would have been - they would have hit Damascus precisely, and no civilian population would have stopped them. After all, they don’t give a damn that they didn’t find a “chemistry” in Iraq, they don’t give a damn that hundreds of thousands of civilians died - the main thing for them is that they removed an unwanted ruler who prevents them from bringing their “American values” to the world, beneficial only to themselves.
          1. Sheridan
            Sheridan April 19 2018 10: 15
            0
            And this co-religionist is not Nikita the bald Isaev?
    3. igorka357
      igorka357 April 16 2018 06: 28
      0
      What do you think, with such tension, our military after two or three times in milk ... during the next attack they will drink coffee ... are you out of your mind?
      1. Mar.Tirah
        Mar.Tirah April 16 2018 06: 58
        +6
        I’m in my own way, but apparently you’re angry. And anger is the last argument in the dispute. I’m not talking about Russian bases, but about Syrian ones. And you know very well that we will not answer. It’s not for us We can only strengthen Syria’s air defense of the S-300 air defense system, but we need to do this very quickly and involve Iranian specialists, since we already prepared them for this complex system, and how, in the good old days, to participate in the reflection by advisers ourselves.
      2. Soho
        Soho April 16 2018 08: 20
        +6
        Igor357 (Igor) Today, 06:28
        What do you think, with such tension, our military will drink milk after two or three times .. during the next attack

        I won’t even be surprised. Examples when our generals completely lost their memory of blood and then more than enough experience. Including already in the current Syrian conflict
        1. sivuch
          sivuch April 16 2018 13: 52
          +1
          By the way, yes . In 82, Soviet advisers in Syria did not remember what their predecessors knew in 73. And do not blame the Syrians themselves - in 73 they were no better.
      3. sib.ataman
        sib.ataman April 16 2018 08: 23
        +1
        Why are you so excited? They don’t have it at all. And they do everything in order to deprive you of it!
        1. Soho
          Soho April 16 2018 11: 46
          0
          Well, how is it not? And if you think and remember what led to the tragedy with the Su-25. And to draw a parallel with the failure of the videoconferencing in the Georgian conflict.
          1. lady.endzhi
            lady.endzhi April 16 2018 13: 00
            0
            Something after this “failure” Georgia lost.
            1. Soho
              Soho April 17 2018 06: 31
              0
              lady.endzhi Yesterday, 13:00 ↑ New
              Something after this “failure” Georgia lost

              what does the loss of Georgia? We are talking about the actions of the specific command of the Russian Air Force in the conflict 08.08.2008. And it simply cannot be called otherwise mediocre. Or do you think that the loss of such a large number of UAVs (also including the Tu-22M3) is the norm for a conflict of such low intensity?
  4. stroybat ZABVO
    stroybat ZABVO April 16 2018 05: 50
    +19

    Hello to "professor"
    1. amirbek
      amirbek April 16 2018 06: 36
      +4
      Quote: stroybat ZABVO
      Hello to "professor"

      interesting photo ... with a rainbow bully
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 April 16 2018 07: 08
        +2
        Quote: Amirbek
        Hello to "professor"

        Are these the legs of Oleg Sokolov in the photo? belay
        1. amirbek
          amirbek April 16 2018 08: 05
          +2
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          These are the legs of Oleg Sokolov

          looks like batman smile
          1. ksv36
            ksv36 April 16 2018 09: 25
            0
            And the UFO flies behind ...
    2. ser65
      ser65 April 16 2018 09: 43
      +1
      car wash ....
    3. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny April 16 2018 20: 31
      +2
      Zarin washed off, chlorine or novice?
  5. Aleksandr21
    Aleksandr21 April 16 2018 05: 55
    +16
    “How could such a high interception rate (0,68) be achieved” propaganda is a great thing, you can say anything you like, as it was, no one really knows, there are 2 versions: 1) Russian Defense Ministry - 71 out of 103 missiles shot down. 2) USA - all targets are successfully hit. The statement on the interception coefficient of 0,68 - even outdated Soviet air defense systems of the S-75, S-125, S-200, “Cube” and “Buk” types, is hard to believe ... intercepting such a number of missiles with such a coefficient is more likely a fairy tale (forgive me patriots cheers). Although it is up to everyone to believe or not to believe, but given the incidents related to the Israeli Air Force attack over the past years in Syria and how "effective" Syrian air defense was, the conclusions suggest themselves, someone is deceiving someone ...... I liked the comment on VO in one of the topics in Syria, in which, as an example, there was a little boy who was offended in the sandbox and didn’t have the strength to pass the change, and says, “it doesn’t hurt” is also something from this series. If there is no strength to answer, then it is necessary to convince the public that the attack was so-so, and in general no one was particularly hurt ....
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 16 2018 06: 08
      +8
      Quote: Aleksandr21
      The statement on the interception coefficient of 0,68 - even outdated Soviet air defense systems of the S-75, S-125, S-200, “Cube” and “Buk” types, is hard to believe ... intercepting such a number of missiles with such a coefficient is more likely a fairy tale (forgive me patriots cheers)

      You are kind of a specialist. Then the question is as to a specialist, but do you have confidence that only the air defense systems "worked" and nothing else was involved? Why did everyone decide that the merit in "hard landing" was only with the air defense forces ...
      1. True
        True April 16 2018 06: 14
        +7
        Quote: svp67
        and you have confidence that only air defense systems "worked" and nothing more was involved? Why did everyone decide that the merit in "hard landing" was only with the air defense forces ...

        This is already funny. You wriggle like that. Ready to come up with any nonsense, but you do not believe in the most obvious. Yes, everything is simple. Russia is completely destroyed. 30 years sawed and exported. It happens. We are not the first. And Rome fell apart in due time.
        1. svp67
          svp67 April 16 2018 06: 24
          +8
          Quote: True
          Ready to come up with any nonsense
          This is what you wrote here. What knowledge of the Russian language is not enough?
          Quote: True
          Russia is completely destroyed

          Well, well ... What else do you tell the RESIDENT OF RUSSIA?
          And not when KRIVDA will not be TRUE
        2. Bumper
          Bumper April 16 2018 10: 20
          +2
          From the same. But I live here and don’t notice. Poorly taken out.
          1. K-50
            K-50 April 16 2018 16: 38
            0
            Quote: Bumper
            From the same. But I live here and don’t notice. Poorly taken out.

            Russia is a unique country. it is robbed, plundered, and wealth does not end. request
            The phenomenon, however. laughing
        3. meandr51
          meandr51 April 16 2018 12: 32
          0
          Well, and kill yourself with your head against the wall. Do not suffer so.
      2. Aleksandr21
        Aleksandr21 April 16 2018 06: 25
        +2
        Quote: svp67
        You are kind of a specialist. Then the question is as to a specialist, but do you have confidence that only the air defense systems "worked" and nothing else was involved? Why did everyone decide that the merit in "hard landing" was only with the air defense forces ...


        No, I’m not an expert, and I can’t say anything about the use of electronic warfare, although I can quote the Pentagon spokesman: “At the briefing after the attack, Pentagon spokesman General Kenneth Mackenzie stated that 105 missiles were fired at targets in Syria. They all achieved their goals and destroyed Syrian infrastructure facilities where chemical weapons were produced or could be manufactured and stored. A spokesman for the military said they used the means to suppress Syrian air defense. In addition, Mackenzie said that the Syrian military fired 40 anti-aircraft missiles. However, they did not achieve their goals, as most of them were launched after the allied air strikes. " those. on the part of the United States and their coalition, the suppression of air defense systems was used; on the Syrian side and ours, there were no official comments on the operation of the electronic warfare systems, so I will not think up or think out anything.
        1. svp67
          svp67 April 16 2018 06: 44
          +6
          Quote: Aleksandr21
          although I can quote the Pentagon spokesman: “At a briefing after the attack, Pentagon spokesman General Kenneth Mackenzie stated that 105 missiles were fired at targets in Syria. All of them achieved their goals and destroyed Syrian infrastructure, which produced or could produce and stored chemical weapons .

          Listen, it’s enough to look at the pictures proposed by the USA itself, so that many questions arise for them. Well, 105 missiles cannot inflict such insignificant destruction ... Do they have F-1 grenades in combat units there?
          Next take a look at this shot.

          Do you see how many buried storage facilities there are at this facility? And show me where at least one of them is amazed at the reporting photo. It turns out that they have NO relation to the main object? Already funny ...
          1. Aleksandr21
            Aleksandr21 April 16 2018 07: 04
            +2
            In the photo there is probably a research complex in Barz, there seemed to be no storage facilities, but in the village of Sunun west of the city of Homs.

            Research complex in Barz:



            "According to the Pentangon, 76 missiles were fired at the center - 57 Tomahawks and 19 AGM-158 JASSM. All missiles hit the complex."

            Here are other screenshots from the Pentagon presentation:



            stock photo after strikes.

            American shot from the impacts of the storage silo
            1. cost 75
              cost 75 April 16 2018 08: 13
              +4
              Are there not too many 76 missiles per object?
              1. Aleksandr21
                Aleksandr21 April 16 2018 10: 02
                +1
                Quote: kos 75
                Are there not too many 76 missiles per object?


                Personally, in my opinion, this is too much, there would have been a couple of tens for the eyes (IMHO of course), why I don’t know so much for one purpose, or the United States decided to play it safe from air defense, electronic warfare and released with a margin, maybe Trump’s political decision in order to level this scientific center, or maybe there were 76 missiles, but much less than what was stated, the rest could be shot down or gone for other purposes (but this is all guesses) as it was actually unknown .... and honestly I don’t know if the destruction corresponds to the number of missiles launched, maybe yes or maybe not. The buildings there are almost wiped off the face of the earth ....
                1. co-creator
                  co-creator April 16 2018 12: 27
                  +1
                  Quote: Aleksandr21
                  . The buildings there are almost wiped off the face of the earth ....

                  Eating the same video. Buildings are not erased, it’s not true. No one will spend 76 axes on three buildings. It turns out if we conditionally divide it into three waves, then 50 missiles simply stupidly exploded on the surface of the building debris. Why is this needed and why? After all, it is clear that they simply wrote off the numbers and that's it. Indirectly, the USA lies saying a video shows ax breaks, and so there you can count about 20 explosions and that’s it. There were no more attacks.
                  1. Aleksandr21
                    Aleksandr21 April 16 2018 13: 31
                    0
                    Share a link to the video, it’s interesting to see the destruction. At least I see the photo (I uploaded it above), and there the rockets went pretty weakly there.
        2. co-creator
          co-creator April 16 2018 12: 21
          +1
          Quote: Aleksandr21
          "At a briefing after the attack, Pentagon spokesman General Kenneth Mackenzie said 105 targets were fired on targets in Syria

          The Internet remembers everything and the first digit from the Pentagon was 118 missiles, then it became 105.
          Quote: Aleksandr21
          those. on the part of the United States and their coalition, the suppression of air defense systems was used; on the Syrian side and ours, there were no official comments on the operation of the electronic warfare systems, so I will not think up or think out anything.

          and how did they suppress it? just wondering . Our Defense Ministry also spoke about electronic warfare right after the strike, but then it was forgotten.
          1. Aleksandr21
            Aleksandr21 April 16 2018 13: 45
            0
            Quotation: blooded man

            The Internet remembers everything and the first figure from the Pentagon was 118 missiles, then it became 105 ...

            and how did they suppress it? just wondering . Our Defense Ministry also spoke about electronic warfare right after the strike, but then it was forgotten.


            Pentagon spokesman General Kenneth Mackenzie declared the suppression of Syria’s air defense systems and he announced the 105 missiles, he didn’t hear about 118 honestly, but about the Defense Ministry’s comment in more detail, “Our Defense Ministry also spoke about the electronic warfare, but then forgot” mean our electronic warfare, or was it about the electronic warfare of the United States and its allies? If about the use of our electronic warfare, I would like to see a link to a comment.
        3. huntsman650
          huntsman650 April 16 2018 14: 40
          0
          EW wrote the parameters of the Kyrgyz Republic. In active lowering, they interfere with their own.
        4. K-50
          K-50 April 16 2018 16: 43
          0
          Quote: Aleksandr21
          "At a briefing after the attack, Pentagon spokesman General Kenneth Mackenzie said 105 targets were fired on targets in Syria. All of them achieved their goals and destroyed Syrian infrastructure, which produced or could be manufactured and stored chemical weapons.

          Well, where are the consequences? Especially from bombed chemical stores. weapons? Yes, everyone had to rest, like cockroaches under dichlorvos. And there is no one. Paradox. what
          Someone tryndit like Trotsky, who, incidentally, is interesting, of a parhat nationality, since the words are not confirmed by facts. request
    2. kipod
      kipod April 16 2018 06: 11
      +5
      Quote: Aleksandr21
      "How could such a high interception rate (0,68) be achieved" propaganda is a great thing

      Syrian air defense generally knock something all the time, only somehow with a weak evidence base.
      Really from the 71st missile shot down so nothing was left?
      \ Was it just annihilated like that?
      Let me remind you that the Kyrgyz Republic is flying at a low altitude.
      Where are the proofs?
      Of course, everyone likes to ascribe to himself. But Pentgon said that ALL missiles reached their goals.
      Strange, it was said - ALL.
      With full confidence.
      They didn’t even leave a crack for maneuver - for example, saying - one, two, five - were shot down. Nobody would even be confused - 5% is a trifle. But they confidently said - not one.
      This against the background of the 71st shot sounds dissonance, and if Syria showed at least one shot rocket - no matter how shit the Pentagon dipped.
      But they said, confidently - NOT ONE and so far we do not see any evidence - that they shot down.
      But we see in dust 3 separated objects declared as targets of the attack.
      So sorry - I do not believe.
      Dust-spaced targets - I see.
      Downed missiles - I do not see.
      And as they say - it's better to see once - than hear a hundred times angry
      1. igorka357
        igorka357 April 16 2018 06: 35
        +7
        And dear, it does not seem strange to you for more than a hundred-plus cruise missiles, and there are the latest developments, and only three targets dusted .. laughing , well ... think already, not too greasy 150 lyam bucks for three purposes! Consider Trump first of all as a business man !!! Compare how many calibres were released and how many goals were destroyed .. wink
        1. Snakebyte
          Snakebyte April 16 2018 08: 28
          0
          And why not?
          Warhead "Tomahawk" 1000 pounds (450 kg, directly accounts for about half of the explosives), while others used even less. The guaranteed radius of "dust separation" for a similar power FAB-500 - 10m. Destroyed buildings are clearly larger in size, which means several rockets are needed. Then, at least 2 missiles for each “point of destruction”, they will be knocked down / lost in case (you can, of course, one at a time, then additional reconnaissance and the second wave against unfinished targets, but decided to demolish everything with a guaranteed one hit). Moreover, the enemy was warned about the attack in advance and opposition was expected.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 April 16 2018 10: 14
            0
            The Tomahawks have a warhead of 117 kg of explosives.
        2. kipod
          kipod April 16 2018 08: 46
          +2
          Quote: igorka357
          And dear, it does not seem strange to you for more than a hundred-plus cruise missiles, and there are the latest developments, and only three targets dusted .. laughing , well ... think already, not too greasy 150 lyam bucks for three purposes! Consider Trump first of all as a business man !!! Compare how many calibres were released and how many goals were destroyed .. wink

          no, it doesn’t seem strange to me - I don’t know either the magnitude of these goals and how much they wanted to destroy - judging by the photographs, these are rather large complexes of buildings.
          judging by the same photographs, they are all smashed into dust.
          How many or fewer 100 missiles for this? I honestly don’t know that it’s not a specialist - for example, as they say - you won’t spoil the porridge with butter, and taking into account the fact that the RF promised to bring down - Viti was sent with a margin.
          further - about the price. You excused me - you don’t have to count other people's money, let alone taking into account the number of axes in their warehouses, why not dispose of the old stuff.
          I will say it again - I see that I’ve been spaced into Dust - 3 declared goals.
          I don’t see any fact of the city’s ax.
          Something like that
          1. co-creator
            co-creator April 16 2018 12: 33
            0
            Quote: kipod
            I will say it again - I see that I’ve been spaced into Dust - 3 declared goals.

            You are lying, on the video near two buildings the skeletons are calmly standing and the ceilings of the second floors are folded like with an ordinary airstrike.

            Quote: kipod
            I don’t see any fact of the city’s ax.

            there is at least one video and photo.

            Quote: kipod
            Something like that

            Video from Damascus recorded about 20 gaps you can personally count. The remaining 50 where did they go?
            1. kipod
              kipod April 16 2018 15: 27
              +1
              Quotation: blooded man
              there is at least one video and photo.

              can i see? wink
      2. Soho
        Soho April 16 2018 08: 31
        +7
        kipod Today, 06: 11
        Of course, everyone likes to ascribe to himself. But Pentgon said that ALL missiles reached their goals.
        Strange, it was said - ALL.
        With full confidence.

        before tearing a vest on his chest shouting "Truly Americans I believe, hallelujah!" it is worth recalling how many times the information they presented at military briefings turned out to be either an outright linden or not sufficiently objective.
        1. kipod
          kipod April 16 2018 11: 28
          +1
          Quote: Soho
          before tearing a vest on his chest shouting "Truly Americans I believe, hallelujah!" it is worth recalling how many times the information they presented at military briefings turned out to be either an outright linden or not sufficiently objective.

          and what do you bring down on amers?
          Well, suppose they are liars - well, you're honest.
          Therefore, is it possible to take one small picture of a downed ax, or all seventy have evaporated?
          1. svp67
            svp67 April 16 2018 11: 46
            +1
            Quote: kipod
            Therefore, is it possible to take one small picture of a downed ax, or all seventy have evaporated?

            Or you can take one picture of the "ax" that destroyed the science center or these sheds ... or give me a picture of these "Grad" rockets

            If this electronic warfare system is capable of doing so with "bad" missiles, then what can he and his "handsome brothers" say about "smart" missiles?
            1. kipod
              kipod April 16 2018 12: 37
              +2
              Quote: svp67
              Or you can take one picture of the "ax" that destroyed the research center

              ok, so there’s nothing to say on the topic and there will be no pictures laughing
              Quote: svp67
              If this electronic warfare system is capable of doing so with "bad" missiles, then what can he and his "handsome brothers" say about "smart" missiles?

              probably evaporate laughing laughing laughing
              1. svp67
                svp67 April 16 2018 13: 15
                0
                Quote: kipod
                ok, so there’s nothing to say on the topic and there will be no pictures

                And you? So you show those missiles that hit the target ....
                Quote: kipod
                probably evaporate

                Let's just say so, partially yes, and partially heavily dematerialized .... So I understand that our “trophies” have divided all the mountains and deserts into squares and sift the sand there, in search of something interesting.
                1. kipod
                  kipod April 16 2018 15: 30
                  +2
                  Quote: svp67
                  You? So you show those missiles that hit the target ....

                  as I understand it, few of the destroyed buildings are for you.
                  You can certainly say that they killed themselves, right on the wall - but I do not believe
                  Quote: svp67
                  Let's just say so, partially yes, and partially heavily dematerialized.

                  You are probably visiting a fairy tale often
                  Quote: svp67
                  As I understand it, our "trophies" have already divided all the mountains and deserts into squares and sifted sand there, in search of something interesting.

                  so how did you find it? wink
                  Given the altitude of the axes - 50 meters so, or less.
          2. Soho
            Soho April 17 2018 06: 23
            +1
            kipod Yesterday, 11:28
            Therefore, is it possible to take one small picture of a downed ax, or all seventy have evaporated?

            You are either stupid or young yet ... First, imagine a picture of the search for the remnants of downed missiles, and even in the conditions of the possible presence of wandering groups of militants in these areas. Sometimes crash sites of huge airliners are searched from days to weeks, and even with the use of aviation and dozens of search groups. And here, to pamper the gorlopan with the star of David, hundreds of people had to rush on the avatar, putting themselves in danger in the areas of military operations to look for fragments of missiles .... mdaaaaa .....
      3. co-creator
        co-creator April 16 2018 12: 29
        0
        Quote: kipod
        This against the background of the 71st shot sounds dissonance, and if Syria showed at least one shot rocket - no matter how shit the Pentagon dipped.

        So there is a video and photo of at least two downed axes near Damascus.
        1. kipod
          kipod April 16 2018 12: 37
          0
          Quotation: blooded man
          So there is a video and photo of at least two downed axes near Damascus

          where
          Can you credit?
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    3. igorka357
      igorka357 April 16 2018 06: 31
      +3
      Israel didn’t warn anyone about the attacks, but it was just waiting for the attack, all the forces were brought up ... I’m sure that ours monitored the launches and informed the working complexes! Besides, nobody canceled the electronic warfare ..
    4. raw174
      raw174 April 16 2018 06: 35
      +4
      Quote: Aleksandr21
      There are 2 versions: 1) Russian Defense Ministry - 71 out of 103 missiles were shot down. 2) USA - all targets are successfully hit.

      It’s always like that. But what is the effect of the blow received? Zero! Complete zero! So the US is also not entirely honest ...
      1. Aleksandr21
        Aleksandr21 April 16 2018 06: 51
        +1
        Quote: raw174

        It’s always like that. But what is the effect of the blow received? Zero! Complete zero! So the US is also not entirely honest ...


        From a military point of view, nothing has changed much, Assad, with our support, defeats the militants, and regarding the effect of the attacks, the effect is more political, Trump has shown that he can use force and no one will stop him. But the details of the operation are different for everyone with different versions. If you believe the MO, it turns out that 71 missiles of Syrian air defense, while suppressing electronic warfare systems by the United States, were struck by tomahawks and AGM-158 JASSM, and this was done by Soviet air defense systems. It sounds like science fiction ... questions immediately arise, if Syria’s air defense was so effective at suppressing electronic warfare, why wasn’t it hit? Missiles over? And if the goals were not hit, why didn’t the 2-3 wave of missiles go? This is according to our version.
        1. svp67
          svp67 April 16 2018 07: 23
          +4
          Quote: Aleksandr21
          From a military point of view, nothing has changed much,

          I do not agree. Has changed. For the first time, over many years, our submarines and ships took into the sights ships and NATO submarines for sights. So I think that the Iskanders got the same goals as the Bastions. That is, we really were on the verge of war.
          1. Aleksandr21
            Aleksandr21 April 16 2018 07: 27
            0
            In this regard, yes, although it can still be ahead, if you want to hit Syria, then you can always find an excuse and who knows what will happen in the future ...
          2. kipod
            kipod April 16 2018 15: 31
            0
            Quote: svp67
            I do not agree. Has changed. For the first time, over many years, our submarines and ships took aim at ships and NATO submarines at sight

            cool.
            3 days ago I walked around the Golan, looked at Syria and took it to the sight laughing
            1. K-50
              K-50 April 16 2018 16: 58
              0
              Quote: kipod
              3 days ago I walked around the Golan, looked at Syria and took it to the sight

              You can even pump your head and laugh. We will laugh too. yes laughing
        2. raw174
          raw174 April 16 2018 07: 44
          +8
          Quote: Aleksandr21
          questions immediately arise, if Syrian air defense was so effective in suppressing electronic warfare, why wasn’t it hit?

          It was rather a performance in which the roles were painted:
          Trump is a man! said done!
          Assad is the protector of the people! Shot down 70% of the rockets!
          Putin is the referee! stood by observing that the rules were not violated.
          Everyone did what they should. Chapai will not cross the Urals, because it is written in the script and Trump will not wipe Assad off the face of the earth, for the same reason.
          The audience is happy here and there ...
          1. LMN
            LMN April 16 2018 08: 01
            +3
            The audience is happy here and there ...

            Judging by the hysteria in some comments, for some viewers the sight was not enough)) well, or there was a lot of popcorn))
      2. co-creator
        co-creator April 16 2018 12: 35
        +1
        Quote: raw174
        It’s always like that. But what is the effect of the blow received? Zero! Complete zero! So the US is also not entirely honest ...

        Let's get the garlic. The main result is that Trump hit, and Putin was afraid to bring down. This was the meaning of this action.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack April 16 2018 12: 47
          +1
          Quotation: blooded man
          Trump hit, and Putin scared to bring down

          Right And those axes that did not fly, shot down by the Syrians.
          Do you know what the Shnobel Prize is? wink
        2. raw174
          raw174 April 16 2018 12: 56
          0
          Quotation: blooded man
          The main result is that Trump hit, and Putin was afraid to bring down

          Was Putin supposed to bring down? Was there a threat to our citizens and facilities? This was the “red line”, followed by the answer, Trump did not cross it.
    5. zyzx
      zyzx April 16 2018 07: 22
      0
      Quote: Aleksandr21
      "How could such a high interception rate be achieved

      Well, turn on your head, or something. The French merged the coordinates of the targets, we know where the rockets fly.
    6. E_V_N
      E_V_N April 16 2018 12: 16
      +4
      Quote: Aleksandr21
      “How could such a high interception coefficient (0,68) be achieved” propaganda is a great thing, you can say anything you like, as it was, no one really knows, there are 2 versions: 1) Russian Defense Ministry - 71 out of 103 missiles shot down. 2) USA - all targets are successfully hit. The statement on the interception coefficient of 0,68 - even with modernized Soviet obsolete air defense systems of types S-75, S-125, S-200, "Cube" and "Buk", is hard to believe ...

      I believe, I do not believe it is possible to guess on a camomile. And when you discuss it it is necessary to think.
      But what is the basis of your statement “I do not believe”, based on faith propaganda about the high efficiency of American missile weapons and missile weapons in general, and where and when was this statement tested in practice? The answer is NEVER earlier and ANYWHERE. In the recent (relatively) significant events of Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, massive missile attacks were not used, and these countries did not have any significant modern air defense systems, in these countries air defense systems were not developed and were not made.
      Only in Syria, for the first time, the world was faced with the massive use of missile attacks and systems to counter them from the side of the 2 MAIN missile powers of the United States and Russia. In essence, a check is being conducted on the adequacy of the US-declared strategy of "the first disarming missile strike" and Russia's strategy of "stopping the first strike and a guaranteed unacceptable retaliatory strike."
      Based on the understanding of this, the following is obtained. a massive missile strike is not as effective as anticipated and conceived in the US strategy 50-70% of missiles can be intercepted by air defense, critical missions can be covered reliably enough, a retaliatory strike is possible.
      Of course, the United States cannot immediately recognize that the “disarming strike” turned out to be a bluff and billions spent in vain from here and “all missiles reached their goals,” Russia overestimates the effectiveness of Syria’s air defense sincerely approximating the results for the use of more modern S-300/400, declaring the United States “we are capable of it’s impossible to bring down up to 78% of your missiles and a disarming strike and a retaliatory strike is possible. " And this is a real basis for negotiations.
      This is how I see this situation. Syria is a "training ground" and not an object of confrontation.
      1. Aleksandr21
        Aleksandr21 April 16 2018 14: 37
        0
        Quote: E_V_N
        But what is the basis of your statement “I do not believe”, based on faith propaganda about the high efficiency of American missile weapons and missile weapons in general, and where and when was this statement tested in practice?


        And what is your statement about the defeat of 71 of 103 missiles based on? I admit that the Syrians shot down the Tomahawks, but that almost everything was shot down, it is doubtful, especially since there was an official comment by a Pentagon spokesman stating that the Syrian air defense systems were suppressed during the strikes. Well, the effectiveness (for example) of the S-300 and S-400 systems in practice (except for exercises) was also not carried out, and "NEVER and ANYWHERE" can also be attributed to them. In fact, there are 2 versions, some struck and claim successful defeat of all goals, others (our Defense Ministry) naturally adhere to a different point of view, although in my opinion it is somewhere in the middle. Some embellish, others try to save face. Although there is an example with the Israeli Air Force raid and their attacks on Syria over the past years, and there rockets flew even to Damascus and Syrian air defense in those moments was not up to par.
        1. E_V_N
          E_V_N April 16 2018 21: 27
          0
          Quote: Aleksandr21
          And what is your statement about the defeat of 71 of 103 missiles based on? I admit that the Syrians shot down the Tomahawks, but that almost everything was shot down, it is doubtful, especially since there was an official comment by a Pentagon spokesman stating that the Syrian air defense systems were suppressed during the strikes. Well, the effectiveness (for example) of the S-300 and S-400 systems in practice (except for exercises) was also not carried out, and "NEVER and ANYWHERE" can also be attributed to them. In fact, there are 2 versions, some struck and claim successful defeat of all goals, others (our Defense Ministry) naturally adhere to a different point of view, although in my opinion it is somewhere in the middle. Some embellish, others try to save face. Although there is an example with the Israeli Air Force raid and their attacks on Syria over the past years, and there rockets flew even to Damascus and Syrian air defense in those moments was not up to par.

          If you read carefully, I did not claim to shoot down 71 missiles.
          The number of missiles shot down in my reasoning is generally not important, it is important whether the "disarming strike" or "unacceptable, in terms of losses, retaliation is guaranteed."
          Judging by the statements of the parties, on the attacks on the Shairat base and the last strike on the "chemical facilities", the United States could not achieve a "disarming strike", therefore it was the military in the United States who opposed the strike on Russian troops and air defense and took a limited strike purely for political reasons after Trump's statements.
          So will you understand?
    7. Igor Golov
      Igor Golov April 16 2018 12: 19
      0
      Where does it mean that Russia is lying? The Americans admitted that they are not in the zone in which they worked. So who is the liar: us or the Americans?
    8. NIKNN
      NIKNN April 16 2018 12: 21
      +4
      Quote: Aleksandr21
      The statement on the interception coefficient of 0,68 - even outdated Soviet air defense systems of the S-75, S-125, S-200, “Cube” and “Buk” types, is hard to believe ... intercepting such a number of missiles with such a coefficient is more likely a fairy tale (forgive me patriots cheers)

      Hurray, patriots will forgive you, because you confuse the probability of a single missile defeat with the probability of a strike reflection. With the corresponding number of missiles fired for one purpose (by the way, do you know the consumption of anti-aircraft missiles?), A coefficient larger than 0.68 could have been. I think not all missiles were aimed because they did not pose a threat.
      Rђ RІRѕS,
      USA - all targets are successfully hit.
      Then I would ask what kind of weapon has a 100% chance of defeat? Here we are talking about spruces, and not the number of missiles hit ... So, you, dear soft and warm, do not confuse please ... hi
      1. Aleksandr21
        Aleksandr21 April 16 2018 14: 19
        +1
        Quote: NIKNN
        Then I would ask what kind of weapon has a 100% chance of defeat.


        If we take into account that the United States attacked targets not with one missile at one target, but with a group of missiles at targets, then everything is logical, the targets are hit, the result in the photographs is higher. I can’t say anything about the efficiency of axes and the AGM-158 JASSM, but when ours are shot in caliber, the MO statements usually report defeat of all targets.

        "you confuse the probability of being hit by a single missile with the probability of repelling a strike." no, I just doubt that the Syrian air defense shot down 71 of the 103 missiles launched. Moreover, the American side announced the suppression of air defense systems during the attack, and here it turns out that the Syrians practically shot down all the missiles, although the Israeli Air Force attacks successfully defend the air defense over the past few years, and even missiles fly into the suburbs of Damascus and successfully hit targets .
        1. NIKNN
          NIKNN April 16 2018 14: 48
          +1
          Quote: Aleksandr21
          although the Israeli Air Force raids over the past years have been successfully defending air defense, and even rockets fly into the suburbs of Damascus and successfully hit targets.

          There is the same shooting down. And in this particular case (in contrast to the Israeli attacks), the strike was expected, the air defense was reduced (both ours and the Syrian even raised the A-50) to I do not know what level of air defense (although air defense should always be like that), the direction of the expected attacks is known (where they didn’t guess there, more missiles passed) In the most probable directions everything was concentrated to the maximum. So that the coefficient 0.68 does not surprise me, moreover, it makes me think that under these initial conditions it is weak. Not a single carrier of controlled batteries was shot down (sadly), but they certainly should have been in the affected area ... This again means that they did not expect a bomb attack ... Well, at the end, Reasoning (mine too) they do not have a sufficient basis for an objective analysis of the database, and even more so for any conclusions that haven’t been reached .. The maximum for what it pulls is just for guesses ... request hi
    9. sivuch
      sivuch April 16 2018 13: 56
      +2
      Good . You do not want to believe in the downing of 70 missiles. Well, getting into the works of faith is simply a sin. Do you believe in defeat of 3 Khrushchevs with 76 axes? If so, where is the lunar landscape and countless craters, if not, where did the rest of the Kyrgyz Republic go?
  6. Lynx33
    Lynx33 April 16 2018 06: 51
    +6
    Less to the author, he didn’t figure out the situation, it’s called “playing on the nerves”, the Americans didn’t want to defeat anyone there, they just had to shoot, that’s the next batch of obsolete missiles. An order for recycling to specialized companies costs a lot of money, but here with fanfare they showed the whole world that they were ready to shoot at all times and at all. The main purpose of these shootings is to scare Russia, to make it more accommodating, and for the most part it has been achieved. The Russian army showed itself to be a cowardly puppy, hiding from a terrible neighbor in a kennel. As a result: they will shoot again, now there will be 200 ÷ 300 missiles, and the allies will also dare, the next time Germany, Poland, Israel, and Canada will take part.
    1. LMN
      LMN April 16 2018 07: 04
      +12
      The main purpose of these shootings is to scare Russia, to make it more accommodating, and for the most part it has been achieved. The Russian army showed itself to be a cowardly puppy, hiding from a terrible neighbor in a kennel.

      What a devastation in the minds ... what
      1. igorka357
        igorka357 April 16 2018 07: 35
        +5
        Concrete devastation ... laughing I don’t even want to pay attention to such “armysssiotsel”, they only kill our nerve cells!
      2. cariperpaint
        cariperpaint April 16 2018 07: 38
        +4
        there is no devastation already) there is a shell and it seems to have exploded)))
        1. LMN
          LMN April 16 2018 07: 50
          +6
          Quote: cariperpaint
          there is no devastation already) there is a shell and it seems to have exploded)))

          laughing
          An American shell, moreover, Russian ones do not explode and generally rubber lol
          1. Bakht
            Bakht April 16 2018 08: 43
            +6
            As for the rubber "shell amused" in the morning.
            A rubber shell is a terrible thing. There was such an anecdote. Aren stagnation.
            American news channel. Broadcast announcer.
            “In response to our nuclear strike, the Russians dropped a rubber bomb on Washington.” The city is destroyed, 4000 people died, the bomb will jump for another week.
    2. igorka357
      igorka357 April 16 2018 07: 33
      +3
      Is there a minus to you, in your opinion, is the Russian army located in? Remember the man is not in his mind, the Americans would never have to recycle anything, they have mongrels ... who would they throw these rackets for a lot of money! Throw 150 lyamas, don’t understand what, and the unknown result! If you put it, “the Russian army is a puppy hiding in the kennel” ... I would tell you in person what army of Russia, and Prokhorenko would tell, and Phillipov. .. You wrote such nonsense, all in a heap .. it seems like he first started about a game on the nerves, ended with a banal disposal of 150 million dollars!
    3. cariperpaint
      cariperpaint April 16 2018 07: 40
      +2
      you would at least sometimes read how they shot, how they shot and from what. to offend someone is a vile thing from the beginning, but if you want your opinion to post arguments, you would not be in the way. who exactly where is hid then? )))
      1. Lynx33
        Lynx33 April 16 2018 07: 51
        +7
        Specifically, please: Russia has shown the whole world that, as an ally, it does not cost anything at all. If a bully personally beat me, and a friend stood on the sidelines and would not do anything to help me, he would cease to be my friend. This is a signal to all hesitating that it is better to be friends with the United States, and not with Russia. So gentlemen, couch commentators who have never participated in fights, it’s a disruption in your heads and you definitely cannot give weapons to your hands, you’ll rather shoot yourself than use it against the enemy. By the way, he came up with a way to defeat Russia. It is necessary to make bulletproof vests in the form of cute cute bunnies and you will reach the Urals without a single shot. wassat
        1. LMN
          LMN April 16 2018 08: 11
          +8
          Quote: Lynx33
          Specifically, please: Russia has shown the whole world that, as an ally, it does not cost anything at all. If a bully personally beat me, and a friend stood on the sidelines and would not do anything to help me, he would cease to be my friend. This is a signal to all hesitating that it is better to be friends with the United States, and not with Russia. So gentlemen, couch commentators who have never participated in fights, it’s a disruption in your heads and you definitely cannot give weapons to your hands, you’ll rather shoot yourself than use it against the enemy. By the way, he came up with a way to defeat Russia. It is necessary to make bulletproof vests in the form of cute cute bunnies and you will reach the Urals without a single shot. wassat

          But nothing that Assad would have expected the fate of Hussein and Gaddafi? And is he alive thanks to Russia?

          Associations with "cute bunnies" that come to your mind, suggest certain thoughts about you .. Excuse me, girl? wink
          1. victor50
            victor50 April 16 2018 11: 02
            0
            You have denied something ??? !!! Or meow impatient ?! smile
          2. Petio
            Petio April 16 2018 23: 00
            0
            Neither Russia nor the United States wants to cling to the war for the sake of Syria — Assad is not worth it despite being an ally — they saved the ego in 2015 and he should be grateful for that, and if the United States wanted to remove as much Assad, then they would have done it back in 2012
        2. sib.ataman
          sib.ataman April 16 2018 08: 55
          +2
          The torn cat from the cesspool wandered, dissolving the stench and stench around.
        3. Ramzay121
          Ramzay121 April 16 2018 12: 54
          0
          Quote: Lynx33
          If a bully personally beat me, and a friend stood on the sidelines and would not do anything to help me, he would cease to be my friend.

          A good example is just the fact that many people sitting here cannot understand. Maybe because they themselves would have shown themselves in a similar situation.
          1. LMN
            LMN April 16 2018 14: 32
            +3
            Quote: Ramzay121
            Quote: Lynx33
            If a bully personally beat me, and a friend stood on the sidelines and would not do anything to help me, he would cease to be my friend.

            A good example is just the fact that many people sitting here cannot understand. Maybe because they themselves would have shown themselves in a similar situation.

            A successful example. For you, exactly the opposite. This example would be relevant if Russia withdrawed its contingent from Syria. Then there would really be chaos, Assad would be hanged ... and I would say that our betrayed.
            But that did not happen.

            Here, surprisingly, many write about betrayal, cowardice, weakness, etc. Why does everyone speak for the Syrians ?! request They then know that they were betrayed, Russia a sucker and a coward, and urgently need to prostrate themselves in front of the United States?
            Where is Assad's outrage or preoccupation?
            I have no doubt that you simply won’t be able to convey your “ideas” about the defeat of Russia to the Syrians, even if you know the language. They don’t understand your idea in principle. For this is total stupidity.
        4. igorka357
          igorka357 April 16 2018 13: 27
          0
          Syria is not our friend, if anything ... and not even an ally! Yeah, you have in your head an absolute order in the manner of all kinds of Latvian and Lithuanian people ... yes, Ukraine! It’s better to be under than with ... I’m telling you, comrade lynx? remember who you are not friends with, when you don’t need the USA, they will use you as a rubber product and they will throw you away !!! And consider, if I were your friend, and the hooligan who came up, waved a couple of times at a distance of a meter from you, well ... I wouldn’t catch him and beat him because of this, over a hundred axes and three half-empty destroyed buildings, it’s not called to strike .. God, what am I explaining to you, I thought all of yours got out and spoke out in the evening fourteenth, but no..there are also long-playing like you .. laughing
    4. raw174
      raw174 April 16 2018 07: 46
      +1
      Quote: Lynx33
      The Russian army showed itself to be a cowardly puppy, hiding from a terrible neighbor in a kennel.

      what why suddenly such a conclusion?
    5. sib.ataman
      sib.ataman April 16 2018 09: 00
      +1
      Do not forget to sign up as a volunteer in their ranks. You can attach the star to the chest!
    6. ser65
      ser65 April 16 2018 10: 20
      +1
      etozh what cockroaches in the head run ..... the size of a cat.
  7. Strashila
    Strashila April 16 2018 06: 52
    +3
    America declared victory ... all targets were hit, even some pictures were provided before and after the shelling ... only if you look at these pictures you wonder ... if all the missiles hit the target ... then there should be a lunar surface, by the fact of the pair ... well, three funnels ... and the rest of the dozen rockets where ... in the desert got lost ... ??? Yes, and pictures of the remnants of missiles on the Internet ... from triggered, not fallen.
    1. Snakebyte
      Snakebyte April 16 2018 09: 10
      +1
      Quote: Strashila
      Yes, and pictures of the remnants of missiles on the Internet ... from triggered, not fallen.

      In missiles, it seems like self-destruction during a miss.
      But the remnants of the downed unexploded missiles have not yet been shown.
      However, the remnants of the “downed” 36 Tomahawks a year ago have not yet been presented.
      1. K-50
        K-50 April 16 2018 17: 27
        0
        Quote: Snakebyte
        However, the remnants of the “downed” 36 Tomahawks a year ago, too, have not yet presented

        So go and get them from the bottom of the sea. yes
        Starts a year ago were from the sea, all that the part "didn’t fly to the showdown", so who is to blame? Well got lost, well fell and drowned. Therefore, no one shows them.
        1. Snakebyte
          Snakebyte April 16 2018 20: 05
          0
          Let those who say that they "have not arrived" get their hands on. Those who say that they “arrived” provided photographs of the air base with “marks” from 44 missiles (or, possibly, two missiles fell into some places).
          1. E_V_N
            E_V_N April 16 2018 22: 08
            0
            Quote: Snakebyte
            Those who say that they “arrived” provided photographs of the air base with “marks” from 44 missiles (or, possibly, two missiles fell into some places).

            And they say the projectile doesn’t fall twice in one funnel, however they lie, although on the other hand the missile is not the projectile and this rule is not a decree for it.
            I just want to note that 60 missiles for 90 lyamas at one base and as a result, a destroyed canteen and 5 old aircraft for repair are very efficiently obtained. Probably cheaper to dump suitcases with dollars on the heads of the Syrians.
            1. Snakebyte
              Snakebyte April 17 2018 07: 52
              0

              The Israelis counted more.
    2. Igor Golov
      Igor Golov April 16 2018 12: 22
      0
      And then they admitted that their brave guys are not located on the territory of the agglomeration of Damascus. They immediately admitted. Who is the liar ???
  8. Prometey
    Prometey April 16 2018 07: 29
    +1
    71 downed “Tomahawk” - still fantastic. Or do they have the wrong grenades?
    1. raw174
      raw174 April 16 2018 07: 49
      +2
      Quote: Prometey
      71 downed “Tomahawk” - still fantastic.

      Maybe they (axes) of the first modifications ... Disposal of trash, then they themselves could not fly ...
      1. sib.ataman
        sib.ataman April 16 2018 08: 48
        +2
        Yes, they were generally released from slingshots, and the planes only covered.
  9. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter April 16 2018 07: 38
    +7
    So, after all, my acquaintances from the USA say that their media celebrate a head-spinning, overwhelming success ... Assad trembled, and WILL NOT use barbaric weapons anymore ...
    But then, last year, on the basis of Shairat, as much as 20% of SAR aviation ... Destroyed laughing
  10. Himdym
    Himdym April 16 2018 07: 41
    +6
    to the issue of WMD. The notorious chlorine as BOV is so-so, and Assad just doesn’t need a damn thing, if there is a desire to smoke barmaley, then the HAF is enough. I'm talking about something else. soon the sun will begin to roast so robustly, the water in the Euphrates will bloom. how and with what to process drinking water? and if so, we are waiting for outbreaks of any infections, and the mattresses will again begin to bliss now about bacteriological weapons. Powell's unkillable test tube of some kind.
    1. sib.ataman
      sib.ataman April 16 2018 08: 46
      +7
      Chlorine as a BOW is not only so-so, but equivalent to a stone ax in modern warfare. Moreover, in the village. His tendency to creep on the ground, due to the gravity of the vapors, there are no threats to the upper floors at all, it is spreading slowly, in general, it can stand still. Plus, the yellow color of the vapor instantly unmasks. And where with such properties reached the maximum damaging effect in the shortest possible time? It is possible to inhale crap about chlorine successfully to a foreign person who has eaten hamburgers, chisburgers, and who is unable to think adequately.
      1. Himdym
        Himdym April 16 2018 10: 43
        +1
        in general, I agree, although heavy gas would have been suitable for smoking barmalei from numerous subways, but even here, teardrops would be enough for the eyes. :-)
        The inhabitants, that ours, that are not ours, for the most part did not take BSO OMP courses, and therefore any game can be rubbed on them.
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  12. Operator
    Operator April 16 2018 08: 04
    +9
    The modernization of Soviet air defense systems, the presence of A-50Y AWACS and a network centric, of course, took place, but the main factor in the failure of a missile strike at three sites in Syria was the negative results for the United States of the impact on the Shairat air base in 2017: then most of the intercepted Tomahawk cruise missiles "was landed on approaching the target in an elementary way - using Russian electronic warfare systems against radio altimeters of the Kyrgyz Republic flying at extremely low altitudes from 30 to 50 meters.

    Therefore, in April 2018, American, British and French KR flew up to the target at an altitude of 500 and more than meters, where they were perfectly interfered with by modernized Soviet air defense systems.
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  14. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman April 16 2018 08: 20
    +1
    Quote: Mar. Tira
    There are no accidents in our world. What question is the answer. They beat for sure, but by. laughing laughing laughing As the US ambassador, Trump, on Putin’s leash, is it strange that he still works after such a statement? Or maybe it's just a diplomatic trick?


    No, this is a diplomatic noose.
  15. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman April 16 2018 08: 28
    +3
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: Aleksandr21
    The statement on the interception coefficient of 0,68 - even outdated Soviet air defense systems of the S-75, S-125, S-200, “Cube” and “Buk” types, is hard to believe ... intercepting such a number of missiles with such a coefficient is more likely a fairy tale (forgive me patriots cheers)

    You are kind of a specialist. Then the question is as to a specialist, but do you have confidence that only the air defense systems "worked" and nothing else was involved? Why did everyone decide that the merit in "hard landing" was only with the air defense forces ...


    Such specialists for 10 shekels in any synagogue, you can recruit a company!
  16. Altona
    Altona April 16 2018 08: 31
    +5
    Quote: Hanokem
    Question. When in Russia will this bacchanalia of lies of a Goebbelsian scale cease? The president is lying, the Foreign Ministry is lying, the General Staff is lying, the TV program hosts are lying, the hired "experts" are lying, the "Prigogine" people are lying on social networks. Russia has become the country of Lgunia. To the question, where are you from, one must answer - “I am from the country of Liunia”. And it will be clear to everyone where you are from. From Lgunii, not Lemuria.

    ----------------------------------
    Well here, as usual, hutspa, goyim and true believers. Nothing new. The epic blow to the barn with 4 missiles is certainly a great achievement, no one argues. The walls in the sieve were seen by the whole world. Change the record, please stop dancing hawa nagil.
  17. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman April 16 2018 08: 33
    +4
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    So, after all, my acquaintances from the USA say that their media celebrate a head-spinning, overwhelming success ... Assad trembled, and WILL NOT use barbaric weapons anymore ...
    But then, last year, on the basis of Shairat, as much as 20% of SAR aviation ... Destroyed laughing


    Sometimes the current states remind me of Goebbels Germany. Let them have fun! If only they would not cry.
  18. NordOst16
    NordOst16 April 16 2018 09: 05
    +1
    How many excuses for a simple drain. In addition, there are questions to the reliability of information about the number of intercepted cr.
    And if nevertheless such a quantity of cr was intercepted, then this may indicate a low efficiency of this type of weapon, which includes our calibers. Or Russian crs "having no analogues" are much better than axes ...
    Oh, I don’t know, as for me, there was a clear drain and nothing was done to prevent a missile crack on the Russian ally. Interestingly, if the Russian Federation is a European country (except for the European one), then the EU and the USA would also passively react?
  19. Old26
    Old26 April 16 2018 09: 55
    +4
    Quote: Rostovchanin
    And I liked more nonsense about 76 missiles at the institute! People still cheat! wassat

    Yeah. And I liked something else. For example, a bunker (a buried structure with multi-layer concrete floors) is hit 7 (FAMILY) cruise missiles, and at the research center (roughly speaking the building) - 76.

    An interesting assessment of the downed. In the morning, our media outlets with Syrian sources reported either 28 or 30 shot down, and by the evening the head of the GOU had already reported 71 shot down missiles.

    According to Western experts, the figure of 30 shot down is very good, since the Syrians, according to the same sources, fired about 40 anti-aircraft missiles.

    Now about 71 shot down. Given the fact that the probability of hitting a target with one missile is far from unity, in order to hit such a number of missiles that go at about the same time, it would be necessary to launch about one and a half hundred anti-aircraft missiles. And are they in such numbers on launchers? After all, the installation would hardly have time to recharge? That is, whether there were so many anti-aircraft missiles of the first salvo

    It touches the statements that cruise missiles went at a height already 5000 meters. Missiles, the whole "salt" of which is precisely the approach at heights, sometimes unattainable for ground-based air defense systems of the old generation - and suddenly go at such a height .... Nonsense
    There were still mistakes, but it makes no sense to pay attention ...

    You should not pay attention to the numbers in the article by Eugene, where there are American B-1B bombers with hundreds of “smart” missiles (24 each). And as many as two B-1Bs fired, firing 19 JASSM-ER missiles in total
    In short. People really do everything ..

    Quote: Mar. Tira
    Prior to that, Damascus had the Buk-M1 complex. “The important point is that the Buka-M 2 includes, in addition to a self-propelled multi-channel firing system, an illumination and guidance radar (RPN), which is equipped with a highly elevated antenna - 22,5 meters per two minutes. This expands the affected area by cruise missiles operating at extremely low altitudes. If all other air defense systems that do not have a high antenna can shoot at a cruise missile flying at an altitude of 15 meters in a radius of 12-15 kilometers, then the Buk-M2 allows you to shoot at a range of 40-42 kilometers. That is, during the approach of cruise missiles to the target, he can conduct several firing cycles. Each Buk-M2 self-propelled firing system provides simultaneous firing of four targets. The division has six units and on-load tap-changers. For one salvo, the division is capable of shooting down 24 cruise missiles, and since the damage zones are moved forward, then 30-40 missiles, ”explained Alexander Luzan.

    You are right when citing the performance characteristics of this complex. But somewhat hastened with a general assessment. 4 missiles on the launcher and 6 missiles in the division - that is, 24 missiles - this does not mean that 24 targets will be hit. Do not consider the Americans and so stupid that they launched missiles that went "in a straight line."
    The probability of defeating the Bukom-M2 cruise missile is 0,7-0,8 (meaning one missile). Yes, it is theoretically possible to bring down one cruise missile with one anti-aircraft missile, but when defending, the outfit of forces is considered taking into account many factors, including and probabilities. How many anti-aircraft missiles do you need to hit a target with a single probability of 0,7-0,8 with a total probability of, well, at least 0,99 (not to mention the probability of 0,999)?
    Moreover, Syrian air defense, although we brought it to its present state by supplying a certain amount of Bukov and Shell, is still a rather variegated mixture of complexes of all generations. And the probability of intercepting missiles by the Osa complex is much less than the same Buk. Therefore, the number of shot down KR - 71 raises doubts ... The initial assessment of the Syrians as 30 missiles seems more realistic.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 16 2018 10: 29
      +2
      Most likely we won’t see debris from downed missiles, which means we can talk about the downing of 71 missiles.
    2. xtur
      xtur April 16 2018 10: 59
      +3
      > Yeah. And I liked something else. For example, a bunker (a buried structure with multi-layer concrete ceilings) is hit with 7 (SEVEN) cruise missiles, and a research center (roughly speaking, a building) - 76.

      > It is touching to say that cruise missiles went at an altitude of as much as 5000 meters.

      Do you evaluate the blow from a purely military point of view, but do you have evidence of the validity of this approach? After all, the Americans were solving an informational / political task, and an alternative point of view is that this blow had an informational / political significance, and it should be evaluated from the point of view of fulfilling the informational / political tasks set for it. After all, all the participants in the attack say that the main task was to destroy Assad’s alleged ability to produce chemical weapons, and in no case to inflict military damage on him or damage to infrastructure.
      And the blow to the non-existent chemical industry of Syria is not a military task, but an information / political one.

      And from this point of view, everything looks quite transparent - the blow was delivered in such a way that it could be said that they were beaten all over Syria, which proves that the Russians were not afraid. Last time, more than 60 missiles were fired at only one airfield, and there were less than 5 missiles at 60 airdromes. This suggests that there was no military sense in striking these airfields.
      In order to maintain the same proportion when hitting an airfield as last time, for such a number of airfields, approximately 300 aircraft had to be launched at them. And in order to really bring them into an unusable state, the figure must again be increased significantly. But how would the Russian Federation behave with such a massive salvo on Syria? What if the carriers themselves really started to shoot down?
      And therefore, at the same time, they were beaten in such a way that they would not accidentally hurt the Russians and provoke them to be drawn into the conflict, and not slide into an uncontrolled war with the Russian Federation.

      It was quite obvious that the "Mad Dog" in every possible way delayed the blow to Syria, in every possible way evaded it, demanding to wait for the OPCW investigation.

      And from this point of view, that 30 shot down KR, that 70 - it makes no difference.
      1. sivuch
        sivuch April 16 2018 14: 06
        +2
        Yes, it’s all clear that the blow was a turnip, i.e. by reputation. But the staff themselves very stupidly framed themselves, saying that not a single ax was shot down. What was worth saying - maybe a couple of three were shot down (not everyone should be smart), but the rest hit the target. Now, a demonstration of the wreckage of at least one rocket (and they already exist) exposes them as liars. This is not appropriate for the light elves. True, there is no certainty that the Kremlin will be able to play this card.
        1. xtur
          xtur April 19 2018 08: 20
          0
          > and it's all clear that the blow was on the turnip, i.e. by reputation.

          there was no blow to the reputation - never, even during the USSR, no country could provide protection for all, or full protection of at least one country. In Vietnam and Korea, they fought for a long time and bloody, for example.
          because expectations that the mere presence of the Russian Federation and its words are enough to ensure that the United States does not fight are simply a form of childish infantility.
          The question is precisely because of the consideration of the military capabilities of the Russian Federation The USA dealt a very accurate blow - and this is the most important

          > there is no certainty that the Kremlin will be able to play this card.

          The Russian Federation has no task to humiliate the United States, thereby provoking this country, which today is extremely unbalanced, for internal political reasons, into some unnecessary actions. The main objective of the Russian Federation is more than achieved - the United States quite clearly began to take into account the military capabilities of the Russian Federation when planning and implementing military actions, and they assess the military capabilities of the Russian Federation extremely highly, this is quite obvious.

          This is the best news - a more balanced and realistic policy on both sides.
    3. ibnvladimir
      ibnvladimir April 16 2018 12: 27
      +1
      With a probability of 0.75 defeat by one missile - 2 missiles will give a probability of 0.9375, and 3 missiles - 0.984. There is no point in counting further. This is if the events are considered unrelated (here is a difficult question).
  20. orchestra
    orchestra April 16 2018 10: 32
    0
    When they shoot at you, this is nothing fun.
  21. dahpaz
    dahpaz April 16 2018 10: 48
    +3
    Good morning. The soul really wants to believe in 70 intercepted goals. But it doesn’t fit my head ... after all, such a result of air defense of the SAR should simply plunge the Shtatovs into shock ... as my father said before leaving the USSR that the truth is always somewhere in the middle ... I live in Israel for a long time and in the armies here served ... such capabilities of Syrian air defense are simply nullifying (well, or at least dramatically lowering the effectiveness of combat use) the much-praised, overlaid "hel ha avir" (Air Force means) and as a citizen of this country should plunge me into some kind of gloom or something. ..but since my family and I are always heart and soul for Russia (even when it is bad for Israel), I am sincerely happy for such a result. If he really is as stated by the Russian Defense Ministry. Although there is some kind of unpleasant sediment, because no matter what they say, it’s a victory for NOT partners on the information field.
    1. Igor Golov
      Igor Golov April 16 2018 12: 30
      +1
      Sometimes you have to come to terms with the new state of things - such is life. For Russians, Syrians are no different from Europeans in terms of rights and freedoms. That is why they love us so little.
    2. sivuch
      sivuch April 16 2018 14: 08
      +4
      Yes, most likely the truth is somewhere in between. But apparently (they say in many forums) the Li-Sitsins could not do without the pilots, which affected the result
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker April 16 2018 14: 55
        0
        Quote: sivuch
        Yes, most likely the truth is somewhere in between.

        About the middle - it's somewhere nearby ....
        Do not forget that the calculations of the Syrian air defense systems were retrained in Russia. Moreover, the commander of one of the crews under Damascus is the rank of major. In addition to this, "reduced" to one information bundle all air defense systems in Syria, both Russian and Syrian. Those. The result is logical.
        The aggressor, of course, is a shame - to such advertised indicators Patriot - like walking to Berlin. Which infuriates some of our counterparties here at VO.
        laughing
  22. Victor19
    Victor19 April 16 2018 11: 00
    +2
    Could a couple of excavators add to the goals, would not be impoverished. Any good would be more.
  23. Earnest
    Earnest April 16 2018 11: 14
    +2
    Quote: Hanokem
    I would like to see the wreckage of at least one intercepted missile. Here ours shot down an Iranian drone - immediately the wreckage in the studio. When 2 was shot down our F-16 a month ago, the debris was immediately shown to the people. And then a lie, a constant lie ... Ever since the Russo-Japanese War and the Sovinformburo ...

    To recognize your lies, just look at the outfit of missiles at targets. How many rockets are there at the 1 facility shown in the satellite photo? 27? How much how much ???? 27 missiles on three sheds? That is, in America, the professionals in the army ran out, and the analysts (similar to our pioneers at headquarters) all went crazy right away? Previously, 12 missiles were sent to the air base, but then 105 (103) missiles at the 4 facility? So it’s clear that lies are lying and driving lies. The outfit was set ordinary, the number of objects was declared by the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, but why they didn’t get there - the answer is also clear. Weather damn non-flying, where there is air defense. And you don’t have to prove with foam at the mouth that you can eat soap, eat, we don’t mind. Just do not spit.
    1. Igor Golov
      Igor Golov April 16 2018 12: 33
      0
      You did not understand him: he is gobbling in plain text that Russia cannot do anything but lie and dodge. At the same time, he forgets about his own exploits of valor against Palestine. From the latter: a special operation against a Palestinian farmer who was close to the fence of the concentration camp, which the valiant Bibi arranged for him.
  24. Siberian1965
    Siberian1965 April 16 2018 11: 31
    0
    I read all the comments, some screamed 71 shot down, others that everything was gone. The full impression of a briefing in a kindergarten or in a house of sorrow. I really want it for 71 missiles, but we'll see. There is such a thing as indirect evidence. How will the fascists behave from behind puddles, paddling pools or the head of the country of ugly women. In the end, the subsequent blow to Syria and at the same time to our troops. It would be logical if the fascists overseas were right to smash everything in Syria with the next wave of checkers along with Assad. Soviet "trash" did not hit a single missile. What’s the fascists overseas in their militants - a beacon is inserted into Assad’s ass and, to the indecentness, the smart rocket of the president of a sovereign country is raping. Of course we’ll see, but now the paddling pool with the terrible woman is explaining to Moscow why they snapped. And this is suggestive. And on the site it looks like only western trolls.
    1. sdc_alex
      sdc_alex April 16 2018 16: 15
      0
      Quote: Siberian1965
      And on the site it looks like only western trolls.

      no, not one, or rather not only one ... in short, you realized from which country the trolls are here ...
      and there are still some serezny tGoli from almost the middle east wink
  25. Nikolay Kuznetsov
    Nikolay Kuznetsov April 16 2018 11: 32
    0
    In general, you should not relax. What does it stick to them at any moment? But it’s just necessary to bring them down .. "And we have camp instructors there, but here your missiles .... well, excuse me." They didn’t know, they didn’t overlook, they had to be warned, and so on ... sure .. !!!
  26. ftc
    ftc April 16 2018 11: 46
    +1
    https://www.google.ru/maps/@33.5582725,36.3158404
    ,158m/data=!3m1!1e3

    Not far from this completely destroyed research center in the Syrian capital is the Commercial Bank of Syria (the Commercial Bank of Syria is considered one of the largest banking institutions in the country, which accounts for a wide area of ​​banking activity. Its share in the balance of the banking sector is estimated at 80% and amounts to more than 70 % deposit and credit activities in the local market), a leading training institute, a large hospital. Why could the air defense not do anything even in the capital?
  27. huntsman650
    huntsman650 April 16 2018 11: 51
    0
    Considering that there was no counteraction to the means of zos, there may very well be 71 pieces. Analyzing the experience of the war in Yugoslavia and Iraq, as well as the work of Israel, the PRS that destroy the radar were not used. Those. favorable conditions for air defense systems of the ATS.
  28. Victor19
    Victor19 April 16 2018 12: 16
    +1
    During the wars in Iraq 1991, Yugoslavia 1999, again Iraq 2003, Libya 2011, 2017 in Shairat, the main and primary goals were air defense systems and airfields with airplanes. Not a single airfield and air defense in Syria was damaged. But this does not mean that no strikes were made on them, but that the missiles were short-lived or were shot down. Recently, during an Israeli attack, an air strike was also hit.
    1. Cynic
      Cynic April 16 2018 13: 59
      0
      Quote: Victor19
      means that the missiles were short-lived or were shot down.

      No, they flew.
      We were struck by hangars and warehouses. There are enough pictures on the network.
      That's just not at any airport, not a single runway was damaged ... And again, frantic discrepancies in the number of flown KR.
      1. Victor19
        Victor19 April 16 2018 15: 26
        +1
        Quote: Cynic
        No, they flew.

        Perhaps, but not only everything.
  29. Luber
    Luber April 16 2018 12: 27
    0
    To learn how to swim, you need to swim. In order to learn how to defend against the enemy’s missiles and other enemy missiles, you need to be under real fire and shoot down these missiles and missiles. And it’s better if it is on the “SAR training ground” than on its territory. So "we are studying military affairs in the present way!" And the longer we manage not to use our air defense, the better. It is logical for them to know more about the means of attack, and not to give information to their opponents about the most modern means of defense.
    1. Victor19
      Victor19 April 16 2018 13: 33
      +2
      Quote: Luber
      In order to learn how to defend against the enemy’s missiles and other enemy missiles, you need to be under real fire and shoot down these missiles and missiles.

      And the weakest under Tomahawks in Buk’s calculation? Get up off the couch.
  30. lady.endzhi
    lady.endzhi April 16 2018 12: 27
    0
    Ha ha)) And the Syrian planes in general, they say, were transferred to Russian airfields. So, Yankees, with your finger in the sky and fly for a long, long time)) Complete collapse of the operation. No, you better not get in touch with Russia, here in Syria you did not dare to get in touch, well, I welcome this and praise for sanity, maybe the world escaped the third world) But also remember the story - you bombed Korea with impunity until you were blown down and Ashes Kozhedub’s division, then they began to fly only at night. Do you love the Yankees to crap with impunity.
    1. Evgeny Goncharov
      Evgeny Goncharov April 16 2018 15: 45
      0
      your hat is torn, guzlo falls out
  31. vvp2412
    vvp2412 April 16 2018 12: 30
    0
    After all, the crews of the B-1B "Lancer" more than a hundred "beautiful and smart" JASSM-ER for several days already awaiting orders for the implementation of MRAU

    B1B - carrier only free-falling bombs ...
    https://topwar.ru/3617-bombardirovshhik-b-1b-lanc
    er.html
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 16 2018 13: 06
      +2
      "B1B - carrier only free-falling bombs." What are you, and this is probably a free-falling bomb - with wings
  32. meandr51
    meandr51 April 16 2018 12: 35
    +1
    Quote: Aleksandr21
    In the photo there is probably a research complex in Barz, there seemed to be no storage facilities, but in the village of Sunun west of the city of Homs.

    Research complex in Barz:



    "According to the Pentangon, 76 missiles were fired at the center - 57 Tomahawks and 19 AGM-158 JASSM. All missiles hit the complex."

    Here are other screenshots from the Pentagon presentation:



    stock photo after strikes.

    American shot from the impacts of the storage silo


    A mountain of rockets gave birth to a mouse. If we accept the American version of unhindered bombing, then their business is verbally bad. No air defense is needed from them. Themselves will fall.
  33. Abrascha
    Abrascha April 16 2018 12: 37
    0
    I have a question for knowledgeable people. But is it possible to bring down these axes and other bourgeois KR from Shilka or some other anti-aircraft artillery. And then, frankly, spending an anti-aircraft missile on every ax, well, somehow it turns out a little expensive. In addition, as I understand it, the supply of missiles on launchers is limited, and reloading them in a battle is somehow, in my opinion, problematic.
    1. sivuch
      sivuch April 16 2018 14: 20
      +2
      Firstly, it’s not so expensive considering the possible damage. In the end, in our south, they shoot expensive missile defense missiles at cheap blanks.
      And for Shilok, Tungusok and other Shells, the problem is in a single network - i.e. , these CRs must be found out, which is rather difficult and to give target designation - Vasya, turn around here, in 20 seconds it will fly.
  34. tazilion
    tazilion April 16 2018 12: 38
    0
    Normal analysis, normal operation
  35. Abrascha
    Abrascha April 16 2018 12: 48
    0
    Ideally, of course, it would be nice if you could put some uncle Abdul with a flinty “kara-multuk” somewhere on the roof of the five-story building and he felled the flying ax out of this gun. In principle, I see nothing impossible, it is only necessary to attach a modern sight to a flintlock gun and connect it to the BISU.
  36. 72jora72
    72jora72 April 16 2018 13: 00
    0
    Quote: Hanokem
    Separate the grain from the chaff.
    We are also in favor, so take haloperidol and go to bed.
  37. Karnaval tm
    Karnaval tm April 16 2018 13: 01
    +1
    What a fiasco? A fiasco is when you were given a slap in the face, and you answer, and say "oh, I will show you", this is a real fiasco ....
  38. 72jora72
    72jora72 April 16 2018 13: 08
    0
    Quote: Hanokem
    I would like to see the wreckage of at least one intercepted missile. Here ours shot down an Iranian drone - immediately the wreckage in the studio. When 2 was shot down our F-16 a month ago, the debris was immediately shown to the people. And then a lie, a constant lie ... Ever since the Russo-Japanese War and the Sovinformburo ...

    Stop the tantrum, wipe the drool from the monitor, take 10 deep breaths, then eat matzah and hummus, read the torus, ............... yes, and stop talking to Prohffesor laughing
  39. prapor75m
    prapor75m April 16 2018 13: 34
    +1
    Quote: kipod
    Therefore - you can have one small picture of a downed ax

    every whim for your money wink
    1. Normal ok
      Normal ok April 16 2018 20: 37
      +1
      Quote: prapor75m
      Quote: kipod
      Therefore - you can have one small picture of a downed ax

      every whim for your money wink

      Where do you see axes here?
      1. prapor75m
        prapor75m April 16 2018 20: 48
        +1
        you have to say it's chainsaws lol
        1. Evgeny Goncharov
          Evgeny Goncharov April 18 2018 03: 19
          +1
          This is anything, but not axes.
  40. John Steinpreiss
    John Steinpreiss April 16 2018 13: 42
    0
    * Personally, my opinion was that it was a rehearsal of the USA and Russia. In my opinion people simply make a fool of themselves as rams. The goal is to determine where yours are, where ours are. And Syria and their inhabitants are just a shooting gallery for serious things for the future game. Everyone would go to fuy the warring countries along with Assad.
  41. G A_2
    G A_2 April 16 2018 14: 03
    +1
    Quote: prapor75m
    Quote: kipod
    Therefore - you can have one small picture of a downed ax

    every whim for your money wink

    Something more serious is desirable. To see the factory nameplates with serial numbers of missiles. What rockets or bombs. Whose production, etc.
    1. sdc_alex
      sdc_alex April 16 2018 16: 08
      +1
      Quote: G A_2
      . To see the factory nameplates with serial numbers of missiles. What rockets or bombs. Whose production, etc.

      and with Sefli l / s air defense calculations. wink Smaller, apparently not satisfied laughing
      PySy: neither American dates nor fragments of missiles are visible in American photographs, nor is the list of authors of these launches ... - nor is the whole "progressive world" believing these gentiles. wassat
    2. prapor75m
      prapor75m April 16 2018 20: 50
      +1
      Yes, do not pay attention, it’s immediately visible in the handwriting that Israeli ears or paisas stick like these nicknames wink lol
    3. NordUral
      NordUral April 17 2018 10: 31
      0
      And the documentation so that next to it in the package.
  42. Cynic
    Cynic April 16 2018 14: 15
    0
    I’m reading about the numbers of flown-off, flown-in flown-by-missiles and the feeling of surrealistic events does not leave.
    Well, WE are guided by the data of our Defense Ministry, but what are the refutters oriented to? To the statement of the US Ministry of Defense that ALL missiles flew? This is not even funny, they even could not figure out the number of launched missiles right away, and it is felt not due to inaccurate information from different sources, but elementary non-starts.
    So in connection with this I recall the destruction of our missiles, by the launch method, which fell under the INF Treaty ...
    Remember the bounce rate?
    That's it.
  43. huntsman650
    huntsman650 April 16 2018 14: 43
    +1
    The Americans in Yugoslavia did not recognize a single shot down. Not without reason the people of Syria celebrate the victory. Whatever the truth, we learn all the same. And I think that it is true. not such difficult goals. Davich went info about ready to launch 2000 dawns in Syria. One unambiguously the calculations received invaluable experience. For one beaten, two unbeaten give.
    1. G A_2
      G A_2 April 16 2018 14: 54
      +2
      From wikipedia https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%BE%D0%BC%
      D0%B1%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D
      0%BA%D0%B8_%D0%AE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D
      0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B8_(1999)#%D0%96%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%82%
      D0%B2%D1%8B_%D0%B8_%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80
      % D0% B8
      According to NATO official data, during the campaign, the alliance lost two soldiers killed (the crew of the American helicopter AH-64, crashed during a training flight in Albania) [6].

      According to the official information of the US Air Force [113], two American aircraft (F-16 and F-117) were shot down by the air defense system of Yugoslavia, both pilots were selected by search and rescue services.

      In addition, the US government officially recognized the loss of two Predator drones [114].
  44. G A_2
    G A_2 April 16 2018 14: 43
    0
    Quote: Cynic
    I’m reading about the numbers of flown-off, flown-in flown-by-missiles and the feeling of surrealistic events does not leave.
    Well, WE are guided by the data of our Defense Ministry, but what are the refutters oriented to? To the statement of the US Ministry of Defense that ALL missiles flew? This is not even funny, they even could not figure out the number of launched missiles right away, and it is felt not due to inaccurate information from different sources, but elementary non-starts.
    So in connection with this I recall the destruction of our missiles, by the launch method, which fell under the INF Treaty ...
    Remember the bounce rate?
    That's it.
    Well, WE also focus on the data of our MO. It is necessary for the MO to show the facts of the downed tomahawkof and more so that together we laughed at the Pentagon, which officially claims that not one rocket was shot down
  45. sdc_alex
    sdc_alex April 16 2018 16: 01
    0
    Quote: ism_ek
    This is not nonsense. The Americans strike had two goals. Institute and the Three Sheds in Homs. They destroyed both targets. Recycled old rockets. We tested in practice a massive strike by cruise missiles.


    that’s why they’ve never tried to massively strike KR. Well, at least they learned, thank God wassat

    Well, anyone who has amer such experience with more than enough! winked
    1. NordUral
      NordUral April 17 2018 10: 34
      0
      Duck, they studied the answer, and not how the axes fly.
  46. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov April 16 2018 16: 14
    +1
    Quote: Hanokem
    And then a lie, a constant lie ... Ever since the Russo-Japanese War and the Sovinformburo ...

    About Sovinformburo very well said. It lied so well that the Red Army was already in Berlin that Hitler himself believed and shot himself, and his Wehrmacht unconditionally capitulated.
  47. Old26
    Old26 April 16 2018 16: 35
    +1
    Quote: xtur
    Do you evaluate the blow from a purely military point of view, but do you have evidence of the validity of this approach? After all, the Americans were solving an informational / political task, and an alternative point of view is that this blow had an informational / political significance, and it should be evaluated from the point of view of fulfilling the informational / political tasks set for it. After all, all the participants in the attack say that the main task was to destroy Assad’s alleged ability to produce chemical weapons, and in no case to inflict military damage on him or damage to infrastructure.

    I do not need to evaluate evidence of eligibility or anything else. When they tell me that missiles whose main task is to go at an altitude of 10-30 meters with envelope envelope go at an altitude of 5 km - then this information does not interest me

    Quote: stalkerwalker
    Do not forget that the calculations of the Syrian air defense systems were retrained in Russia. Moreover, the commander of one of the crews under Damascus is the rank of major. In addition, they "reduced" all the air defense systems in Syria to both Russian and Syrian into one information bundle. Those. The result is logical.

    Though he will be a colonel. And wherever training takes place. An information link, that is, a network - yes, maybe, but it is unlikely, the ATS complexes are too different. If we worked with them (the Syrians), there would have been a long yell that our funds were involved. Silence however

    Quote: vvp2412
    B1B - carrier only free-falling bombs ...

    Not only. He simply is not a carrier of strategic CD.

    Quote: Abrascha
    But is it possible to bring down these axes and other bourgeois KR from Shilka or some other anti-aircraft artillery.

    Can. But the probability is very small
    1. E_V_N
      E_V_N April 16 2018 22: 25
      0
      Quote: Old26
      Though he will be a colonel. And wherever training takes place. An information link, that is, a network - yes, maybe, but it is unlikely, the ATS complexes are too different. If we worked with them (the Syrians), there would have been a long yell that our funds were involved. Silence however

      About 10 years ago you would argue that the drone is a fairy tale for suckers. That a remotely controlled tank is not possible in principle.
      Now you are not so categorical "it is unlikely that air defense systems are too different", the only thing is that there are no problems with the distribution of automated systems into a single network, with the distribution of goals and directions.
    2. NordUral
      NordUral April 17 2018 10: 36
      0
      Not only. He simply is not a carrier of strategic CD.


      He is a bomber, no matter who jumps.
    3. race
      race April 17 2018 20: 26
      0
      Quote: Old26
      Quote: vvp2412
      B1B - carrier only free-falling bombs ...

      Not only. He simply is not a carrier of strategic CD.

      AGM-158 JASSM-ER with a range of up to 1000 km is not a strategic KR?
  48. Sadam
    Sadam April 16 2018 17: 05
    0
    I bought a ticket in the 1st row but there is a persistent feeling that I was stuck somewhere ....
  49. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov April 16 2018 17: 09
    +1
    The political task, undermines the trust in Russia of its allies, is a complete blow.
    The answer can only hit the US ally in the region. In Syria itself, the friends of the United States beat them anyway, but S. Arabia is still at ease. She can use the "chemical weapons" in Yemen. With this provocation, it is necessary to do as clumsy as possible, as it happened in the Duma. Hose several children and then throw a hundred missiles at the "chemical center" in Riyadh. If this is not done, strikes against Syria will continue.
    1. E_V_N
      E_V_N April 16 2018 22: 28
      0
      Quote: Kostadinov
      The political task, undermines the trust in Russia of its allies, is a complete blow.

      And where did you get that Russia and Syria are allies? When, what and against whom did they enter into an alliance? Although of course you know better in Bulgaria.
  50. Mavr-85
    Mavr-85 April 16 2018 19: 19
    0
    Thanks for the interesting article