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Rehabilitated posthumously. "Fun Life" by Pavel Dybenko (end)

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“It’s not necessary to go wild with these bastards ...”


Spring 1921 of the year was hot in every sense. Chaos and crisis reigned in the country. To put up with the power of the Bolsheviks, the sailors were tired first, then the peasants. It was at this time that Dybenko became useful to the party elite. For services he was honored with his first order of the Red Banner. The irony is that "the reward found its hero" for the suppression of the uprising of their own "brothers" - the sailors of Kronstadt.

In that confrontation, Pavel Efimovich used the so-called “barrage detachments”. By order of Dybenko, the soldiers fired at their own, who either refused to attack the fortress or retreated.

Not without the pathos so beloved by Pavel Efimovich. In his address to "the comrades of the old sailors of Kronstadt" he declared: "Save the honor of the glorious revolutionary name of the Baltic, now disgraced by the traitors. Save the Red Baltic Fleet! ”

After the suppression of the uprising, the deputy head of the special department Yudin reported: “The 561 th regiment, having moved a half and a half to Kronstadt, refused to go on the offensive. The reason is unknown. Tov. Dybenko ordered to deploy the second chain and shoot at the returnees. The 561 regiment is taking repressive measures against their Red Army soldiers in order to make them go on the offensive. ”

Dybenko tried to curry favor with Lenin, because he feared for his future. Therefore, with particular bitterness, he began to suppress the rebellion of the sailors. Moreover, the fact that his old acquaintance, Stepan Petrichenko, was at the head of the insurgency did not stop him either. The top of the party praised the irony - the former rebel punished the current rebel.

The exact number of sailors killed in that uprising is still unknown. Estimates by historians range from seven to fifteen thousand people. Personally, Dybenko issued more than two thousand death sentences. Those sailors who were promised pardon for the surrender of the fortress were sent to a concentration camp. Of course, no one came back from there. Mikhail Nikolayevich Tukhachevsky, after the suppression of the uprising, recalled: "I have been in the war for five years, but I cannot remember ever seeing such a bloody massacre."

When the rebellion was over, Pavel Efimovich became the commandant of Kronstadt. While in a new position, Dybenko again remembered his literary talent. And soon he wrote the book "Rebellion", where he described in detail the bloody events of March 1921. Of course, he paid special attention to his exploits and heroism. He dedicated the book to Alexandra Kollontai. One more thing is interesting: many researchers have doubts that it was Dybenko who wrote the “Rebellion”. After all, he was illiterate. Contemporaries recalled that if it was required to write a sentence in a few words, Pavel Efimovich had certain difficulties. Therefore, authorship is attributed to just Kollontai. Therefore, it is not known for sure whether Dybenko himself created other books: “October in the Baltic,” “In the bowels of the tsar’s fleet"," From the bowels of the tsarist fleet to the Great October Revolution "," Revolutionary Baltic. "

At the new place Dybenko failed to stay. Already in April, an uprising of peasants broke out in the Tambov region. He, as the main “expert” in the insurrection, was sent to eliminate this problem. And Dybenko tried his best, saying: “It’s not necessary to go wild with these bastards ...”

How many people died during the suppression of “Antonovshchina” is not known for sure. According to various estimates, the number of victims exceeds eleven thousand people. The dead people are the price paid by Pavel Efimovich for the love of the party elite. He was called the "hero" and given the post of chief of troops of the West Black Sea coast. Dybenko in the halo of glory and greatness returned to familiar places. Here, by the way, he was also well remembered. The events of 1919, many have deposited in memory. And in June, 1921, Pavel Efimovich became the commander of the 51 th Moscow (Perekop) rifle division.

In Ukraine, hunger reigned. Dybenko’s soldiers plundered villages, killing residents who refused to obey and share their food. Pavel Efimovich looked at the behavior of his subordinates through his fingers, explaining that soldiers need to “eat well”. Naturally, the confrontation began again with representatives of local authorities. Dybenko called them "idlers" and offered to "disperse" the Odessa executive committee. Those, in turn, tried to achieve the transfer of the hated "hero." But their attempts were unsuccessful. To all requests, Mikhail Vasilyevich Frunze, the commander of the troops of Soviet Ukraine, answered succinctly: “watch Vybenko vigilantly.” The reputation of the unreliable commander did not affect the career of Pavel Efimovich.

For two families

Continuing to abuse alcohol, Dybenko graduated from the Military Academy, and the external "as particularly talented." And all the controls, and even the thesis for him, of course, did Kollontai. And Pavel Efimovich at that time was “exploring the situation” in the taverns of Odessa. Alexandra Mikhailovna tried to sensitize her husband: “Your body has already succumbed to the destructive poison of alcohol. If you drink a trifle and you lose your mental balance. You have become all yellow, the eyes are abnormal ... ”Dybenko just waved away.

Soon he had a new sweetheart - Valentina Stafilevskaya. For a while Dybenko tried to live in two families. When Kollontai found out about this, she decided to finally break with her husband. But ottyagivala this moment to the last, as if, believed that her husband would change. But when Pavel Efimovich once again returned home in the morning, she declared: “Don't lie. I don't care where you were. It's all over between us. On Wednesday I am going to Moscow. Totally. You can do what you want - I don't care. ”

Then there were a few more scandals and, in the end, Kollontai declared her husband a divorce. Dybenko reacted painfully to the threat. Here is what Alexandra Mikhailovna wrote in her diary: “Pavel quickly, in a military manner, turned and hurried to the house. I was wondering: why is he in such a hurry? But I was slow. Why, why did I not rush after him? Rising along the stairs of the terrace, I heard a shot ... Pavel was lying on the stone floor, a trickle of blood was flowing over the French. Paul was still alive. The Order of the Red Banner rejected the bullet, and she walked past the heart ... It was only later that I learned that that evening the “beautiful girl” gave him an ultimatum: either I or she.
Rehabilitated posthumously. "Fun Life" by Pavel Dybenko (end)

Dybenko survived thanks to the care of Kollontai. But the suicide attempt did not change her decisions. She left her husband and went to Moscow. And Pavel Efimovich married young Valentina in 1923 year. But the health of "sailor" strongly passed. He now and then complained of pain in his heart, periodic loss of consciousness. Valya, who married a “hero of the revolution,” was surprised to find that Dybenko was a banal alcoholic with a difficult temper and poor health. She didn’t need such a “hero”. Dybenko first encountered a situation where he did not do what he wanted. Valya did not perceive him, she "turned the novels" with diplomats and generals. True, Pavel Efimovich was also not very loyal ... Besides, he unexpectedly missed his first wife. When the sailor learned that Alexandra Mikhailovna became an adviser to the USSR Embassy in Norway, she sent her a letter: “I love you! I want to go to Norway. ” In other epistles, he complained to Kollontai about his wife, calling her "intolerable." Therefore, a divorce for both was a huge relief.

At the beginning of the 30-s, Dybenko had a new passion - athlete Zinaida Erutina. Nothing good came out of this relationship either. Yerutina threw drunken Dybenko, throwing him a child. And the boy was not from him.

The ordinary wife of Zinaida Karpova became the third wife of the “hero of the revolution”. She left her husband for him, trying to save Pavel Efimovich from his addiction to alcohol. It turned out badly. True, for a short time, Dybenko still changed his mind. But the quiet family life with his wife and two step-sons was not for him. In addition, in the 1933, he was given the Volga Military District. Here, Dybenko began a confrontation with another “hero of the revolution” —Compearer Ivan Kutyakov. Both had by that time three orders of the Red Banner and many legends about the "glorious past." They were trite closely in the same military district. Kutyakov, who was Dybenko’s deputy, was extremely disagree with this situation. Therefore, he tried his best to push his boss in every possible way.

Fatal thirties

For Kutyakova, it has become an everyday thing to send denunciations to his boss in Moscow. By and large, Ivan Semenovich did not lie in his slander. But in the capital and without him, they knew about Dybenko's deep drunkenness, and about his very scarce military talents. Tukhachevsky also opposed Pavel Efimovich, but this also led to nothing. Moreover, Dybenko even went to Germany for an internship. Ended voyage failure. The Germans were laconic: "From a military point of view - absolute zero." But Pavel Efimovich continued to hold the post, was reinstated in the party and became a deputy to the Supreme Soviet of the USSR.

In 1937, the repression began. Kutyakov, arrested in May of the same year, came under attack. Dybenko could not feel safe. But he held on, in every way ingratiating himself before the authorities. When Tukhachevsky came to him to take Privolzhsky district, Pavel Efimovich long pulled, and then took part in the arrest of Mikhail Nikolayevich.

But it was getting harder to stay afloat every day. Pavel Efimovich accepted the rules of the game and became “echelons” to send denunciations of his colleagues to Moscow. He visited the indictment process against Tukhachevsky. Such behavior brought its dividends. Dybenko became one of the members of the Special Court Presence, which passed the verdict on the “military case”.

Having sent the highest military leaders to the death penalty, Pavel Efimovich felt secure for a short time.

But ... several months passed and Dybenko was summoned to the meetings of the Political Bureau of the Party Central Committee. Here they asked him to "open up." Pavel Efimovich with horror learned that he was suspected of spying for Germany and the USA. Dybenko was spinning, as they say, like in a skillet. And ... again managed to delay the seemingly inevitable death. He was released. But the sailor understood perfectly well that this was only the beginning. He panicked and sent a letter to Stalin, in which he wrote: “I was not one minute alone with the Americans. After all, I do not speak American. "

But at the end of January 1938, Stalin and Molotov signed a special resolution of the Central Committee of the CPSU (b) and the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR on the fact of the “betrayal of Dybenko”. It was for certain established that he was in contact with the American representatives (spies?) And in general, "morally decayed ... gave a very bad example to his subordinates." It was also said that Sister Dybenko, who lived in the United States, received allowances from the Americans, allegedly at the request of Pavel Yefimovich. Most likely, Dybenko and, however, tried to recruit, but he ... this did not seem to understand. And the tops simply decided to play it safe, because the sailor was tired of everyone for a long time. And the services of the “hero of the revolution” in the changed world were no longer needed.



But first, he was fired from the army, appointing Deputy Commissar of the forest industry, in the "order of the last test." He went to the Urals to inspect the camps for political prisoners, that is, to monitor the implementation of the plan for logging in the GULAG system. I wonder if Dybenko understood the subtle hint and cynicism of the party? Because only a few days later, Pavel Efimovich was arrested in Sverdlovsk. He was accused of “military-fascist conspiracy” and connections with Tukhachevsky, called the spy of the USA and Germany (and the accusation said that he worked for them already from 1915 of the year). The investigation lasted five months, during which interrogations alternated with torture. In the end, Pavel Efimovich confessed to all crimes except espionage. Trying to escape, he wrote to Stalin, emphasizing his merits in establishing the power of the Bolsheviks. But Joseph Vissarionovich did not spare the disgraced "hero of the revolution." And in July 1938, Dybenko was shot.

Pavel Efimovich was rehabilitated after the XX Party Congress in 1956 year.
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  1. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat April 16 2018 06: 52
    +6
    "The revolution devours their children ...." Georges Jacques Danton (1759-1794) ....
  2. Olgovich
    Olgovich April 16 2018 06: 55
    +12
    Wonderful series of articles! Thank!
    The author showed the face and morals of the then leadership of the country: there for decades there was a high-ranking alcoholic in demand and held high gosposts (later these were called "Commissarmi " lol), coward, punisher, sadist, ignoramus, liar and lazy person.
    However, not only this Commissar lol , but also absolutely ALL the People's Commissars of the first Council of People's Commissars of October 26, 1917, Stalin awarded a plug in the plug. ALL turned out to be morally disordered personalities, spies, enemies and pests ... Such is the "leadership" ....
    1. Moskovit
      Moskovit April 16 2018 07: 06
      +20
      By humiliating your enemies, you are humiliating those who stand for. Liars and lazy people piled on white indefatigable knights who, even with the help of dragged interventionists, could not defeat this gang of sadists and drunks.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid April 16 2018 08: 33
        +15
        Quote: Olgovich
        The author showed the face and morals of the then leadership of the country: there for decades there was a high-ranking alcoholic in demand and held high gosposts (later these were called "Commissarmi " lol), a coward, a punisher, a sadist, an ignoramus, a liar and a lazy person. "....
        Alcoholic ????? Are you sick? Why don’t you remember the 90s alcoholic? Destroyer of the USSR? This is a real collaborator. So compare the motives and actions of Dybenko with the motives and actions of a 90s drunkard. And also with the results.
        1. Monarchist
          Monarchist April 16 2018 14: 00
          +3
          Dima, you value Dybenko too highly when: “compare Dybenko’s motives and actions with the motives and actions of 90s porn. And also the results”: Dybenko does not hold out for the role of builder, he is most likely an accidental assistant. Kamrad Mikado correctly said that he is from the breed of destroyers, and this is close to B.N.
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid April 16 2018 20: 09
            +3
            In the revolution, different talents and abilities of extraordinary people appeared. And the leadership of the 90s is exactly the opposite. And if you compare the difference in education and level of knowledge, and then the result .....
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich April 16 2018 11: 14
        +7
        Quote: Moskovit
        By humiliating your enemies, you are humiliating those who stand for.

        This I humiliate ?! belay fool lol
        How do they humiliate themselves-no one can no more. Did I call the Commissars, the so-called. Lenin’s “guard” in newspapers, congresses, and meetings of the 30s: "FOR SALE by spies, enemies, wreckers, killers, traitors, liars, and moral decayers?
        Special laughter caused and their humiliation showed themselves ......justification these yesterday’s “enemies” in the 50s, 70s and ... the appointment by the enemy-traitors of the NEXT “faithful Leninists” yes lol By the way, maybe you know which of them is the real enemy? And then the people are confused recourse request
        Or is it not a humiliation THEM yourself? What is the other word? yes
        Quote: Moskovit
        The liars and idlers piled on the white tireless knights,

        normal people didn’t want a fratricidal war and victims to the last, they fought with an external enemy on the fronts in October 1917, and liars and lazy people who sat out in the war and rested in Switzerland did not suffer such a “trifle” and seized power in the back of those who fought reserves of the 12 millionth army and industry.
        White until the spring of 1919 (i.e. almost one and half year) fought with their bare hands, grabbing weapons and ammunition in battle. Do you catch the difference? And the supplies of the allies (often unnecessary junk, non-timely) were much less than what the Bolsheviks had.
        But it was the Bolsheviks who gave the INTERVERSON forever THIRD to Russia, forgot?
        1. chenia
          chenia April 16 2018 13: 17
          +10
          Quote: Olgovich
          Do you know which one is the real enemy? And then the people are confused


          Weak man, and pulls on the sweet. And the elite always had to be cut, such a trend-degenerate.

          In the seventies and eighties, the result wasn’t cut.
          And in 1917, unnecessary mucus was removed. and the country, even with people like Dybenko, has become a global superpower. And this would never have happened under any tsar.
          So. what yard white underpants thanks to the Revolution (despite all the costs) Russia still exists, although the recipes (ideas) _ offered to you like it greatly weakened it.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich April 16 2018 13: 50
            +3
            Quote: chenia
            And the elite always had to cut- the trend is so degenerate.
            Here in the seventies and eighties not slaughtered and result.

            Cut you, cutters cut each other no pity and no accountimproving his "breed", but still one
            Quote: chenia
            slime.

            stayed. lol
            Quote: chenia
            the country, even with people like Dybenko, has become a global superpower.

            with such cocks the country came to the catastrophe of 1991 and the disaster "Russian Cross"
            Quote: chenia
            So. that Russia’s still exist, thanks to the Revolution (despite all the costs), even though the recipes (ideas) offered by your kind greatly weakened it.

            Despite the CATASTROPHES (see above) that the BOP and the party led to, Russia returned to the historical path followed by THOUSAND years
        2. Moskovit
          Moskovit April 16 2018 21: 04
          +3
          Quote: Olgovich
          Normal people did not want a fratricidal war and victims to the last, they fought with an external enemy on the fronts in October 1917, and liars and lazy people who stayed in the war and died in Switzerland did not suffer such a trifle and, striking a fighter in the back, captured power reserves of the 12 millionth army and industry.

          In my opinion, Hitler liked to say this about a stab in the back.
          Who was the Red Army made up of? From the same soldiers. Who commanded them? How many officers were there? Yes, also thousands. It was a Civil War, not a battle of angels with demons:

          Of the 20 persons who occupied positions of commanders of the fronts during the Civil War, 17 people, or 85%, were personnel officers of the old army.

          The positions of chiefs of staff of the fronts were occupied by 25 people - all former personnel officers, 22 general staff officers and 3 colonels of the old army.

          Of the 100 army commanders, 82 were military experts, of which 62 were personnel specialists. 5 people were changed by the Soviet government, including three former general staff officers (B. P. Bogoslovsky, N. D. Vsevolodov, F. E. Makhin) and two wartime officers (I.L. Sorokin. A.I. Harchenko)

          There were 93 chiefs of staffs of the armies, including 77 former staff officers (83%), including 49 general staff officers. Five former officers of the General Staff (V.A. Zheltyshev, V.Ya. Lyudenkvist, V.E. Mediokritsky, A.S. Nechvolodov, A.L. Simonov) and two simply staff officers (V.V. Vdoviev- Kabardintsev and D.A. Severin).
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich April 17 2018 06: 33
            0
            Quote: Moskovit
            Of the 100 army commanders, 82 were military specialists, of which 62 were personnel. 5 people changed the Soviet regime, of which three were

            "The red-haired one is quite comfortable with the decor and pretty sensible, albeit monotonously, told the contents of the mass brochure "Rebellion on Ochakovo" ". lol
            Why do you bring someone else’s article stolen by you? WHAT have you denied by this, proved? request fool
        3. Sweetheart
          Sweetheart 7 August 2018 15: 34
          +1
          Quote: Olgovich
          Normal people didn’t want fratricidal war and victims until the last

          It’s good to lie already. Mr. Sovramshi. The civil work of Bely and their patrons from ANTANTA.
    2. MrK
      MrK April 16 2018 22: 11
      +1
      Quote: Olgovich
      occupied by high masters a complete alcoholic (later they were called "people's commissars"

      Why don’t you mention that Dybenko was officially rehabilitated.

      By the way. I’m embarrassed to ask: why didn’t Lenin, unlike Khrushchev, rehabilitate his executed brother Alexander?
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich April 17 2018 06: 40
        0
        Quote: mrark
        What are you don't mention that Dybenko was officially rehabilitated.

        This is written in the ARTICLE! belay
        Answer, otherwise the rest of the Communists are silent: who is the right-wise Stalinist justice who buried the alcoholic or the wise subsequent who justified him? recourse request
        And the people, of course, neighing over power: now a hero, then an enemy, then again a hero ... lol laughing
        However, what is the power, such are the "gnoros" ...
        Quote: mrark
        why did Lenin, unlike Khrushchev, not rehabilitate his executed brother Alexander?

        belay
  3. Moskovit
    Moskovit April 16 2018 07: 03
    +12
    A strange series of articles. Solid agitation with only a different color. A man drinks, rowdy, ruins everything, but for some reason he is raised and raised. They put on difficult areas of work.
    And of course, this frankly mocking and boorish tone of the author. It can be seen that it cannot calm down that such "sailors" with three classes beat generals and admirals from the academies.
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat April 16 2018 07: 21
      +4
      There are so many orders .... Reading such stories, one involuntarily impregnates hostility towards the "order bearers" and was awarded the "meat" ....
    2. Curious
      Curious April 16 2018 07: 32
      +10
      "Strange series of articles. "
      This is a cycle in the now popular genre of the Historical Sketch site. Actually the story for this genre is secondary. The main thing is the corresponding attack on the fan to trigger the next stage of the "civil war" in the comments.
      Therefore, the author "retold in his own words" something like "Civil War Adventurers" completed the task.
      I won’t be surprised if the next “work” is about Mikhail Muravyov.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid April 16 2018 08: 43
        +7
        Quote: Curious
        ....... the author "retold in his own words" something like "Civil War Adventurers" completed the task ..
        Oh well. And after the article, I will look on the net for evidence of the contrary and everything will fall into place !!!!! Comments help a lot. Maybe the author would then write about Yeltsin, Gaidar, and what, dead, and we would see what absurdity he will reach and who will praise him.
    3. Monarchist
      Monarchist April 16 2018 08: 39
      +7
      Mosquito, if you have facts proving that Dybenko is not the same as the author drew it then: FACTS IN STUDIO !. Such as Dybenko can only fight with the weak.
      Although I believe that both sides are guilty in the Civil War, the Reds didn’t have executioners either: Chapaev, Frunze, Kotovsky, and Blucher, though a watchdog, but also more soldiers
      1. Moskovit
        Moskovit April 16 2018 09: 26
        +5
        Honestly, we must seriously deal with this. No time. The article also has many facts and phrases from nowhere, without links.
        I see one thing, Dybenko fulfilled his tasks. Heavy, difficult, bloody and cruel. Could a degradant do this?
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 April 16 2018 09: 44
          +7
          Quote: Moskovit
          Severe, difficult, bloody and cruel

          That’s why they kept such degenerates, when they did their job, they shot him and not just him. The article says so.
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 April 16 2018 19: 36
            +9
            A degenerate that successfully performs tasks at the head of a military unit is nonsense, however. Or did they check it themselves? laughing
          2. Moskovit
            Moskovit April 16 2018 21: 09
            +2
            He and the Lenin guard were not shot because they suddenly ceased to be needed, like killers. 15-16 years have passed since the end of the Civil.
    4. Olgovich
      Olgovich April 16 2018 11: 22
      +3
      11
      Quote: Moskovit
      A strange series of articles. Solid agitation with only a different color. Person drinks, rowdy, ruins everything, but for some reason he is raised and raised.

      Oddities will disappear if you understand that the raisers and the raisers are worth each other. Read the newspapers 1935-1940! There they are all named very accessible and understandable. yes
  4. bober1982
    bober1982 April 16 2018 07: 36
    +8
    Almond with these bastards is not necessary ....., said Dybenko.
    Lenin copied, by the way, a kind of vile word, I always thought that it was a purely Leninist dictum ....don’t need to togarishchi to speak aloud with priests and bourgeois ....
    It turns out - no, this word is found in all explanatory dictionaries.
  5. Monarchist
    Monarchist April 16 2018 08: 19
    +3
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    "The revolution devours their children ...." Georges Jacques Danton (1759-1794) ....

    For a “child” it is a bit big, but for one of the “fathers” it’s just that. Just say: "the revolution is devouring its fathers"
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid April 16 2018 08: 46
      +4
      Hello, hello! Well, at least someone devoured the figures of the 90s.
      1. Monarchist
        Monarchist April 16 2018 13: 50
        +1
        Hi, in such cases I say: "it’s not yet evening." If you look carefully, then from the "heroes" Satan has already taken someone to himself.
    2. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat April 16 2018 08: 48
      +1
      Danton said this (questions of "correctness" to him) -... before his execution .... yes
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid April 16 2018 08: 57
        +1
        Yes, I know this, I know ... But the phrase of a great man is worthy of any time! And then, the events of the 90s will for a long time remind of themselves and require analysis and study.
        1. Monster_Fat
          Monster_Fat April 16 2018 09: 05
          +2
          There is nothing to "analyze" and "study": "some betrayed, others bought, others led, and the fourth, it was just a damn thing ..." Look at Ukraine as the "mirror" of Russia in the 90s ... .
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid April 16 2018 09: 28
            +1
            Quote: Monster_Fat
            There is nothing to "analyze" and "study": "some betrayed, others bought, ...
            This is wrong and simplified, because so far a lot is hidden, in the interests of these collaborators. And then we get a slogan like "" saints 90s "."
            1. Monster_Fat
              Monster_Fat April 16 2018 09: 43
              +3
              Of course, "saints" - for those who managed to rise then in power or "get rich" well. For them, these years will be unforgettable in terms of achieving personal success. What decides that we will pull out dirty linen and skeletons in the closet of these people? What will change in our life now? Nothing. What do you think of now, was the ill-fated Dybenko a hero or a butcher drunkard? "A lot of knowledge gives rise to many sorrows." By the way, in the “West” they say that the Russians are fixated on their past, constantly digging in it, looking back at it, which does not allow them to accept the changes that have occurred in the modern world and, having cast aside prejudices, old dogmas and assessments, to go forward.
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid April 16 2018 10: 07
                +1
                And here and well noticed about the West, what to them. delve into the destruction of the Indians, in the export
                blacks on an american plantation in colonization? Yes, if the country's past had not been discussed, then there would have been total repentance imposed from abroad.
                1. kalibr
                  kalibr April 16 2018 10: 30
                  +3
                  But I do not care about their Indians and their blacks. Well, it was and was. It’s important that there is now.
                  1. gaura
                    gaura April 16 2018 11: 58
                    +2
                    What is it now? Silence and grace + tolerance of everything and everyone? Yes, and there is enough of his nastiness, with the support of terrorists, colins of powell with test tubes, poisoned violins and strangled Berezovsky. Create a situation where such drunkards can make their way upstairs, and any country will wash itself in blood. And even education doesn’t change anything, for example, Pol Pot
                    1. Monarchist
                      Monarchist April 16 2018 13: 21
                      +2
                      Correct remark: the USA and England still have selective tolerance.
  6. Monarchist
    Monarchist April 16 2018 08: 26
    +4
    Quote: Olgovich
    Wonderful series of articles! Thank!
    The author showed the face and morals of the then leadership of the country: there for decades there was a high-ranking alcoholic in demand and held high gosposts (later these were called "Commissarmi " lol), coward, punisher, sadist, ignoramus, liar and lazy person.
    However, not only this Commissar lol , but also absolutely ALL the People's Commissars of the first Council of People's Commissars of October 26, 1917, Stalin awarded a plug in the plug. ALL turned out to be morally disordered personalities, spies, enemies and pests ... Such is the "leadership" ....

    Kolontay was also included in the first SNK, by the way, Stalin too. So: "but absolutely ALL the People's Commissars of the first Council of People's Commissars" Stalin did not award a bullet in the back of his head
    1. Whispering in the night
      Whispering in the night April 16 2018 11: 00
      +3
      Quote: Monarchist

      Kolontay was also included in the first SNK, by the way, Stalin too. So: "but absolutely ALL the People's Commissars of the first Council of People's Commissars" Stalin did not award a bullet in the back of his head

      But the members of the first Leninist Politburo, with the exception of Lenin and Stalin himself, seemed to find the Stalinist bullet in the back of the head.
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich April 16 2018 11: 29
      +2
      Quote: Monarchist
      Kolontay was also included in the first SNK

      Open HISTORY and look at the list of "members" of the Council of People's Commissars of October 26, it’s not difficult! . Kollontai came in later. Like the others, then they went in and out, but that was already then.
      Quote: Monarchist
      Stalin, by the way, too

      I am writing clearly STALIN "rewarded with a bullet", i.e. I didn’t shoot myself. In addition, they did not shoot, of course, a couple of "members" who managed to escape to the other world.
      But 100% of ALL living (the vast majority) Stalin-nailed: read their biographies hi
      1. Monarchist
        Monarchist April 16 2018 13: 17
        +2
        In other words: Stalin: "paid what he deserved" to the "heroes" of that time. It is not very nice to mock about the dead, but Stalin, apparently, 100 regretted that N. S. Khrushchev had forgotten.
  7. kalibr
    kalibr April 16 2018 10: 59
    +3
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    By the way, in the “West” they say that the Russians are fixated on their past, constantly digging in it, looking back at it, which does not allow them to accept the changes that have occurred in the modern world and, having cast aside prejudices, old dogmas and assessments, to go forward.

    Exactly. And this is very bad!
    1. K.A.S.
      K.A.S. April 16 2018 11: 17
      +1
      Yes, this is very bad! Read the comments! I understand when your peers are engaged in the above, since most of your life has passed in other social and economic conditions and it is difficult to accept and understand the new! But why do people of young and middle age do it. I can’t explain!
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat April 16 2018 11: 18
        +2
        I cannot "remake" the "West" and you cannot and Russia cannot - "you cannot enter the same water twice", you need to change with the changing world (or better yet, lead this change) or this world will crush and throw you on the sidelines, on the outskirts of history ....
      2. chenia
        chenia April 16 2018 13: 03
        +2
        Quote: K.A.S.
        But why do people of young and middle age do it. I can’t explain!


        because there is enough intelligence to see and compare the country (Ukraine), where democracy and capitalist liberalism won, with the totalitarian USSR.
        Here is the proof in its purest form. And do not draw in comparison - a showcase of South Korea with an isolated DPRK.
    2. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid April 16 2018 16: 08
      +3
      Quote: kalibr
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      By the way, in the “West” they say that the Russians are fixated on their past, constantly digging in it, looking back at it, which does not allow them to accept the changes that have occurred in the modern world and, having cast aside prejudices, old dogmas and assessments, to go forward.

      Exactly. And this is very bad!

      This last statement looks very strange in the light of some articles about poisoned feathers, and about people's commissars, and about all sorts of unrest, and about the victims. And also constant questions about the destroyed USSR from a former history teacher.
      1. kalibr
        kalibr April 16 2018 17: 18
        +2
        Dmitry, why throw stones at someone else’s garden? Is it really not clear why this is so? THERE IS DEMAND, WILL BE AND OFFER. But writing about the past and living in a new way are completely different things!
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid April 16 2018 17: 31
          +1
          Well, what are you, Vyacheslav, what kind of stones? It’s just strange that in individual works ---- you should dig in the past for a fee, and in other cases ---- it’s bad.
          And that everyone lives differently than before, there’s no escape from this, what can we say about it.
          1. kalibr
            kalibr April 16 2018 18: 59
            +2
            I already wrote to you THERE IS DEMAND - WILL BE AN OFFER.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid April 16 2018 21: 12
              +3
              It’s clear that for the sake of the fee ---- it’s good to delve into the past in favor of the customer. But if it’s free and mesmerizing ---- it’s unacceptable, immoral and unpleasant to the Americans. Thank you.
    3. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave April 16 2018 22: 45
      0
      I agree 100% !!! An alternative story originated in the West, a classic of the genre, Mark Twain (well, if you do not dig deeper). This is a defeatist psychology.
  8. kalibr
    kalibr April 16 2018 11: 49
    +1
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    I can’t "remake" the "West" and you can’t and Russia cannot- "can’t enter the same water twice", you need to change with the changing world (or better yet, to lead this change) or this world will crush and throw you on the sidelines, on the margins of history ..

    I am for it, but most people are very lazy, not to mention other "features."
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat April 16 2018 12: 00
      +4
      In the 90s, I, like most ordinary people of the former USSR, found myself unemployed, without savings, looking into the eyes of two hungry children. I had to “break” myself, accept the “realities” of the new world, adapt, just to survive, gradually get out of need. Now, I’m even afraid to think how my family would end if my wife and I continued to cling to the old “dogmas” ....
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid April 16 2018 16: 21
        +2
        Dogma dogma ---- discord. It was necessary to survive ---- survived, retrained, maybe the profession changed. They didn’t work for 8 hours, but 16. I suppose that they didn’t commit anything criminal. In the 90s I went to school and started working ---- always in a private company with irregular working hours. I see very well the imperfection of capitalism and the fact that often nothing depends on the person himself. This is a lie about all sorts of opportunities. And I, today, am very different from how I came here.
        1. kalibr
          kalibr April 16 2018 17: 16
          +3
          Dear Dmitry! And everyone sees his imperfection, not you alone. That's just better no one came up with anything.
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid April 16 2018 17: 35
            +1
            They invented a lot, depending on who did this and in whose favor they came up with.
            1. kalibr
              kalibr April 16 2018 18: 57
              +1
              A lot of? The first time I've heard? And what is it?
        2. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave April 16 2018 23: 01
          +1
          You know, Dmitry, this is a lie !!! And now it's a lie, and 30-40-50 years ago it was a lie!
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid April 17 2018 05: 10
            +2
            30-40-50 years ago, I did not have the opportunity to compare, GY-GY !. Only in this century. And nobody scolded capitalism at home. It was necessary to survive and all the relatives crossed this line in the 90s, thanks to a good education and understanding, now or never. Well, Leningrad, then Peter helped in this.
  9. Mikado
    Mikado April 16 2018 12: 28
    +2
    And the tops just decided to play it safe, since the “sailor” was tired of everyone for a long time. And the services of the “hero of the revolution” in the changed world were no longer needed by anyone.

    The expression "poured - and threw it" appealed to him in full .. used it - and threw it out. Only disturbed.
    "The revolution devours its children ...."

    I agree completely with the esteemed Monster_Fat hi dubious "heroes of the revolution" no one needs in construction. Their mission is to break the old, not build a new one.
    1. Monarchist
      Monarchist April 16 2018 13: 10
      +1
      People say: “Breaking is not building: no mind is required”, and this just corresponded to Dybenko: the nose is pebbled, and we can destroy it
      1. Mikado
        Mikado April 16 2018 13: 12
        +2
        People say: “Breaking is not building: no mind is required”, and this just corresponded to Dybenko: the nose is pebbled, and we can destroy it

        such "heroes" (their hands, not their brains!) make any revolution. After which they briefly ascend "into power", and bathe in the glory. Then they get rid of them. People do not change.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid April 16 2018 17: 49
          +2
          Pavel Dybenko, a revolutionary sailor, a bright man of that time ......... One way or another, if Pavel Dybenko could take a look at the Nevsky district of our city today, he would like the street, metro station, and even the combination-- --MEGA DYBENKO, certainly I would have liked.
          1. Mikado
            Mikado April 16 2018 17: 52
            +3
            on the female side he was MEGA DYBENKO anyway fellow laughing and even more he would have liked that Kollontai street runs parallel to his street, and not intersecting! wink
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid April 16 2018 18: 00
              +2
              Not only did I write about these streets to the first part. So Krylenko is not far away, and Comradely and Podvoisky with Antonov-Ovseenko. Well, the Bolsheviks and October Embankment ......
              1. Mikado
                Mikado April 16 2018 19: 37
                +2
                yes, the whole area is like that. I would, Dmitry, to be honest, renamed half the streets of the Frunze district. During the "great socialist friendship" they called the streets among the new buildings - Belgrade, Sofia, Balkan, Bucharest, etc. Where are they, these “friends” in whom they have unseasonably thrown in a lot of money and energy? Oh yes, they now have a different “profession” - to water us with intestinal contents, build dirty tricks, and be afraid that big uncles and aunts will drive them out of their EuroGeySoyuz. We thoughtlessly helped them, then thoughtlessly left. They thoughtlessly built the economy themselves, they would have built it normally - these limitrophs would still be on their knees in the “what you please” pose. They stand in such a position, only towards the West, which they have never considered them for people, and will not count them - for example, consumables. am
                So Krylenko is not far away, and Comradely and Podvoisky with Antonov-Ovseenko.

                I have only one question ... (drum roll) .. and what good did these people do? WHAT ARE THEY CREATED? request it would be better if Krylenko was engaged in chess, but not held high posts. stop ensign .. at the head of the army .. to whom to tell - will not believe, or die with laughter (which is likely to happen). wassat The task of these people was to "destroy to the ground." But “then” completely different people did it — business executives, managers, and the military. soldier this “October cohort” simply became unnecessary, and got in the way underfoot, glittering with an abundance of orders of the Red Banner (there were no others in the Civil War, so we got it!). negative Voroshilov harmed the longest of the “Civilian heroes” (he didn’t knowingly harm, but simply because he occupied the post of People’s Commissar of Defense with his perplexity and misunderstanding) - he was removed only after the Finnish War, when the army washed itself with blood after SUCH organization and SUCH training .. .. negative
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid April 16 2018 20: 31
                  +1
                  So I was always against the street. STONE. Also Gdansk oh, well, Manchester is useless. I know little about Podvoisky and Antonov-Ovseenko. Especially Antonov-Ovseenko. Perhaps the author will enlighten us. Probably, by name, the South-West and Primorsky districts are better than others. I often thought of different strange combinations. There used to be Oleg Koshevoy Street in the USSR. People who are 50 years old or older say that it was colloquially called Vvedenskaya then. When the name was returned to the pre-revolutionary ---- It began to happen the other way around.
                  1. Mikado
                    Mikado April 16 2018 20: 48
                    +2
                    So I was always against the street. STONE.

                    From Ko Костciuszko at least one deed was good - he discouraged the Poles from entering Napoleon’s army. In all other respects - he is our ENEMY. stop
                    Dmitry, I am against the thoughtless renaming of the old way, but also against the frankly idiotic communist names. Well, tell me why the streets in Kronstadt and my beloved Kingisepp (which you can write an encyclopedia for) are named after the bearded Karlamarx? fool Well, philosopher, then what? Why not Newton? Not Athanasius Nikitin? Many streets of Tolstoy and Dostoevsky in other countries? But they were the greatest philosophers! So call the street in Kronstadt in the name of Kruys - the first commander of the Baltic Fleet! No, in his native Stavanger he has a monument, in Taganrog there is a street, but in Kronstadt it is mute! request In Kingisepp - by the street of Hvorostinin, who distributed to the Germans near Lyalitsy SO that the Livonian war was over! angry stupid, shvonderovshina frank! "We will call Klarochka and Rosochka in honor of Klara Zetkin and Rosa Luxemburg! Hooray, comrades!"(Schwonder," Heart of a Dog "). In OUR country there were a huge number of OWN worthy people. THEY, THESE WORTHY PEOPLE - they did, not rallies and ruined them! Ugh .... (hereinafter, it’s unprintable about all these" commissars "and" foreign friends "). am
                    1. Reptiloid
                      Reptiloid April 16 2018 21: 03
                      +2
                      I practically do not know about the commissioners, but why two small avenues? It would be better Shchersa. Let Oleg Koshevy return. Bolshaya Zelenina, Malaya Zelenina, Deaf Zelenina. ?????Oh! the Austrians made repairs ---- Austrian Square ....
                      1. Mikado
                        Mikado April 16 2018 21: 08
                        +2
                        Yes, but the "Austrian quarter" in Kudrovo is especially successful ....
                      2. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave April 16 2018 21: 59
                        +2
                        To clarify the situation. There was no person named Zelenin who named these streets. This is just a pun. These streets, or rather tracts built up with houses, were called "Zeleny" in the middle of the 19th century, because the route for transporting gunpowder to Kronverk passed along them (the production of explosives was prudently taken out of the city).
                        In general, Petrogradka is one of the few areas of the city that practically did not affect the “dances of toponyms”.
                2. kan123
                  kan123 April 16 2018 21: 00
                  +2
                  About the "backwardness" of Voroshilov, and Budyonny - fairy tales. Where did the idea of ​​large masses of huge mobile units come from, if in all the textbooks it was considered a utopia, up to the 1st Horse, which these two comrades and many others created, but they were the main ones there - Budenny commander, Voroshilov - headquarters - how two brothers - one horseradish, the other a shovel. As physical education and labor - go near.
                  These are two stupid "equestrians", according to which Guderian created tank armies, defeated all of Europe, and in the USSR he shit, pretty much.
                  They became hostages of their glory, - 1st Horse, became a political force for the whole south and Caucasus, and Semyon Mikhalych, as governor general, and they had to be removed from there and the first horse dismissed.
                  Acc. their experience was very useful to the Germans, and the people of Trotsky continued to destroy the Red Army, moronism, the result of treacherous skin, until they were shot. Truth for, in those conditions, this invaluable experience, which appeared only in 1943 in the Red Army, was impossible to use in the 20s, and in the 30s there were already other tasks than rewriting textbooks - and the Germans were the invention of Budenny with Voroshilov, - they could to master.
                  1. Mikado
                    Mikado April 16 2018 21: 05
                    +3
                    and the Germans were able to master this invention of Budenny with Voroshilov.

                    Germans - the invention of the "Schnelle Heinz" Guderian.
                    I recommend reading the materials of the meeting on the results of the Finnish War about the training of troops, everything is on the network, I can throw off a book with materials. The troops were disgustingly trained. At the meeting, many sound things were proposed by Meretskov, for example, the creation of an armored personnel carrier - but then the so-called "Communist authors" on the site recorded traitors! Where is the mind, where is the logic ?!
                    Acc. their experience was very useful to the Germans, and the people of Trotsky

                    What, etit-pound, people of Trotsky? People were alone, commanders of the Civil War, dropouts who did not know what to do with this huge army in the 30s! One dynamo-jet cannon offers, the other cavalry is fond of! Yakir wrote a lot in the last letter, considerations on the device of the Red Army, to see, he hoped for a pardon .... Read the documents, everything is online.
  10. Monarchist
    Monarchist April 16 2018 13: 05
    +2
    That's really it: "fortune crazy girl" threw cards without looking and Dybenko had such a fate. Beat Satan with a shovel if Dybenko can be called the "knight of the revolution." Take F.E. Dzerzhinsky or V.R. Menzhinsky, Kuybyshev, Krizhizhanovsky, Frunze, Chapaev or Kotovsky: NOBODY WILL CONSCIOUSNESS OF THEIR Fidelity to the REVOLUTION, but THEY WERE NOT EXECUTORS or MERODERAM.
    Of course, the accusation that Dybenko is an American or Martian spy is bullshit. It’s just that in 1938 he received something, he earned it as a civilian.
    1. Mikado
      Mikado April 16 2018 13: 14
      +2
      It’s just that in 1938 he received something, he earned it as a civilian.

      from a philosophical point of view - perhaps yes. The political is even worse - he just became not needed, and even dangerous, as he held high posts. hi
  11. Monarchist
    Monarchist April 16 2018 14: 27
    +1
    “Dybenko doesn’t appreciate” either: Kolontay sincerely loved him and defended him in every possible way, and he: staggered about taverns and “made fun” with women of a certain behavior, and then found “happiness” for herself: Valentina Stafilevskaya successfully decorating him horns. And if he had been faithful to Kolontai, perhaps his fate would have been different? But I doubt: for people like him there is no other way.
    Kouriosu. V.N., in my opinion, the author would have obtained a GREAT work if he had been biased, otherwise he would have “smeared” his bias. I doubt that he tried to "throw" something liquid on the fan, but he did not have the lack of integrity
    1. Curious
      Curious April 16 2018 22: 20
      +4
      And what is beautiful about her? She revealed to us some new, previously unknown facts? Introduced into circulation new sources? Or did the author work at least in the genre of essays? Not, for the olgovichs, of course, it is beautiful. They love such an environment. But some people like apples.
  12. kalibr
    kalibr April 16 2018 14: 54
    +1
    Quote: gaura
    Create a situation where such drunkards can make their way upstairs, and any country will wash itself in blood.

    This is precisely the situation there is not. And the poisoned creaks there do not bother anyone.
  13. Dashing
    Dashing April 16 2018 18: 33
    +1
    Interestingly, this unprincipled character would be very suitable for the current leadership of Russia. I think he would be at least the deputy prime minister.
  14. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet April 16 2018 19: 38
    +1
    The inglorious end of another executioner. Stalin removed all who witnessed his actions. At the same time, he mowed down the army, turning it into a ossified mechanism. And here the 41st arrived in time ...
    1. chenia
      chenia April 16 2018 19: 47
      +3
      Quote: Dzafdet
      And here the 41st arrived in time ...


      Well, the 45th is not far off.
      And ignoramuses and lapotniks piled on the 1943th (almost single-handedly) backgrounds and barons, however, a paradox ..
  15. Doliva63
    Doliva63 April 16 2018 19: 41
    +8
    Does the anti-Soviet on HE raise the income of the owners or place them under compulsion?
  16. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave April 16 2018 22: 26
    +1
    Mikado,

    Friends, love your city in dynamics !!!
    "And he goes from Yalta, hurries from Sochi
    He can't live without Peter and the “White Nights” (Billy Novick)
    Love him like me, "come here a lot" !!!
    1. Mikado
      Mikado April 16 2018 23: 22
      +2
      Love him like me, "come here a lot" !!!

      nothing just happens. stop This city has been waiting for you. According to the level of development of many "intellectuals in the tenth generation" you shut up for a belt. hi
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave April 16 2018 23: 43
        +2
        Exactly the same way Odessa, Seattle and Melbourne were waiting for me. And the Schiaparelli crater is still waiting! But I am here and now, and I love it here and now!
    2. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid April 17 2018 07: 05
      +1
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      I, "come over here" !!!
      Strongly said. Interestingly, the Finns will come ---- to teach, the Ukrainians will come ---- to teach, like various other ““ come here tutu. ”” And mind you, I didn’t write this.
      1. Mikado
        Mikado April 17 2018 23: 01
        +2
        this does not apply to Anton. Here are people like him, Dmitry, Peter should definitely be proud! hi
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid April 18 2018 06: 02
          +2
          How similar are these? With two arms and two legs and a head? Nikolay, you’re more detailed! Then, maybe I’ll start right now. If Peter should be proud.
          1. Mikado
            Mikado April 18 2018 10: 19
            +2
            If Peter should be proud.

            good people worth it. Regardless of whether they arrived or “indigenous”.
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave April 18 2018 22: 00
              +1
              "Mary, (possibly another name) tell me that I'm a good person." (The movie "Saving Private Ryan").
              1. Mikado
                Mikado April 18 2018 22: 11
                +1
                "Mary, (possibly another name) tell me that I'm a good person." (The movie "Saving Private Ryan").

                - But, for example, the centurion Mark, he was nicknamed the Ratman, - is he kind?
                “Yes,” answered the convict, “he is, however, an unhappy person.” Since the good people mutilated him, he became cruel and callous. It would be interesting to know who crippled him.

                ................ (after a short time) ....................
                “...... So, Mark Krysoboy, a cold and convinced executioner, people who, as I see it,” the procurator pointed to Yeshua’s disfigured face, “you were beaten for your sermons, the bandits Dismas and Gestas, who killed four with their relatives the soldier, and finally the dirty traitor Judas - are they all good people?
                “Yes,” the prisoner replied.

                With regard to the discussion - even a very good person! And the rest, everyone decides for himself hi until I see bad, God will give, and I will not see drinks
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid April 19 2018 19: 39
                  +1
                  Moreover, here the pride of Peter for "" a long time ago "" still remains a secret
                  . Peter is proud of respected Michman, that's for sure. Everything is clear to everyone.
                  1. Mikado
                    Mikado April 19 2018 21: 17
                    +1
                    Dmitry, let's start with the fact that initially the story of Peter, as well as Peter himself, was made by the "come in large numbers". They lived in huts, suffered from illnesses, even dug the earth with their hands sometimes! (Razdolgin, Skorikov, Kronstadt Fortress, Chapter One) Menshikov "come in large numbers" was? Trezzini, Kruys, his son Ivan Kruys - the commander of the De-Gus swine? Peter (who himself came in large numbers) instituted an order among the nobles so that a certain number of young representatives of the "eminent families" were sent to Petersburg. Read on health: http://www.kaponir.ru/2krep/lib/01/001.php
                    And the last one. Dmitry, my grandfather was not even Russian. He was a Chuvash. From Chuvashia. What did not stop him from becoming a colonel, professor and founder of the department of psychology in one of the universities of the security departments, which is located in our South-West. They named me in his honor, by the way. hi
                    I do not understand you. Another wonderful person lives in St. Petersburg. And I don’t give a damn whether he came here, or was born here. He lives here! And he is a smart, business, friendly person! hi
                    Peter is proud of respected Michman, that's for sure.

                    Yuri Grigoryevich should be the whole country, and not Peter, to be proud of his affairs. Be sure to briefly mention in the next article. hi
                    1. Reptiloid
                      Reptiloid April 20 2018 06: 35
                      +2
                      Quote: Mikado
                      I do not understand you. Another wonderful person lives in St. Petersburg. And I don’t give a damn whether he came here, or was born here. He lives here! And he is a smart, business, friendly person! :. hi
                      Nikolay! What are you talking about? In St. Petersburg, in Leningrad, there are many worthy and good people who are and have been and will be. I remind you that Anton called himself “come here”. Well, you wrote, not knowing anything concrete, “for the sake of a red word,” that Peter can be proud of .... And it’s right to be interested in such details. So they would write specifically about him, about Anton. You can’t, you do not have accurate information.
                      I liked the story about your grandfather. Thank. I want to add on my own behalf that he, of course, was a member of the CPSU. I guess, I suppose that your father, too, under his leadership, followed his example.
                      My grandfather, like half of my ancestors was born in a village near Kaluga. At 16, he went to war, having a certificate that he was 25 years old. Prague. He returned, studied. He taught in Leningrad at the Air Force Academy. Mozhaysky, then at the Military Medical Academy. KIROV: Early left.
                      1. Mikado
                        Mikado April 20 2018 20: 08
                        +2
                        At 16, he went to war, having a certificate that he was 25 years old.

                        You see how good our ancestors are! My paternal grandfather, also in the 43rd at the age of 16, fled to the front.
                        Anton called himself. Well, you wrote, not knowing anything concrete, "" for the sake of a red word, "that Peter can be proud of ....

                        Dmitry, I am far from disputes and the "class struggle." I believe that the mind and good breeding do not always depend on the city in which you live, and a person is judged by his mind and actions. And the fact that Anton lives with us in the same city is wonderful. Another good person lives nearby. The rest is empty. hi Here, by the way, about the city and its knowledge! wink I have been living in my Krasnoselsky district since birth, but Alexander-Paranoid50 knows him much better than I did, although I moved a few years ago from just another district! He generally knows rare things. Under the article "Cram in"You all arranged a well-deserved Wagram for me, and he posted a lot of information! soldier Here he is - like a real local historian good
                      2. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid April 20 2018 20: 37
                        +1
                        As for Wagram and other things, absolutely all authors, by the way, and readers, too, received unpleasant reviews, and in much worse words. This is the flip side of the coin. But this does not bother another author, but rather in my opinion. There should be immunity, this is relevant for different professions. I’ll allow some more of my observations ----- and you can also see how other authors do what besides the article. You can even draw up such a taxonomy, for yourself, of course. And what about local history? I have it during working hours. But on some historical topics ---- spaces. I try to identify and reduce some of them.
  17. Alexander Greene
    Alexander Greene April 17 2018 23: 49
    +3
    The articles are very weak, and the author’s omnivorousness is simply amazing. He does not verify a single fact. The first order Dybenko received for his able leadership and courage in the Crimea, the second for the release of Tsaritsyn, for Kronstadt was already the third.
    The fact that during the assault on Kronstadt, on the orders of Dybenko, the soldiers shot at their own. This is also an invention of Rezun. Indeed, one of their regiments was propagandized, and refused to go on the assault, Dybenko disarmed him completely bloodlessly, after his speech to them, where he shamed the disobedient Red Army men, Dybenko ended the speech with the command “Turn over weapons to everyone!”, And they unconditionally obeyed.
    Further, the author manipulates the numbers, hiding behind the “historians”, claims that from Kronstadt killed seven to fifteen thousand sailors, although historians have stated these numbers as the number of participants in the uprising. The rebels did not have enough people to cover all the forts of the fortress. In total, the rebels lost more than 1 thousand people killed, more than 2 thousand wounded and 2,5 thousand captured with weapons in their hands. The rest fled to Finland.
    And the passage “Famine reigned in Ukraine. Dybenko soldiers robbed villages, killing residents who refuse to obey and share food supplies. Pavel Efimovich looked at the behavior of his subordinates through the fingers, explaining that the soldiers needed to "eat well" - complete nonsense.
    Firstly, the famine was then in the Volga region, and secondly, the Red Army is not the army of the invaders, it was supplied at the very least, and thirdly, the peasant in his overcoat will not just shoot at the peasant, so the gangs of different "Green" acted ".
    Further petty malice, "Dybenko graduated from the Military Academy, and with an external student" as especially talented. " And all the control, and even the thesis for him, of course, was done by Kollontai. ” Nonsense too. No matter how competent Kollontai was, it was unlikely that she could solve the tasks of strategy and tactics, and the use of weapons for him, it was possible to verify mistakes, but it ... ..
    I don’t know where the author read that the Germans described Dybenko “From a military point of view - absolute zero”, but in his personal file there are characteristics.
    Cork: “Possesses willpower, energy and determination, the willingness to take the initiative can even exceed the legal framework and ignore received orders from above, quickly understands the situation, is sometimes not restrained in dealing with subordinates, sometimes rude, to subordinates is very demanding, and undoubtedly enjoys authority in the eyes of his subordinates, is disciplined, not restrained in his assessment and criticism of high command, good health, hardy in a marching environment, mobile and lively mind, loves military affairs and works in good faith ... ”
    Tukhachevsky, March 1923 “... He established himself as an excellent commander, demanding, firm and fair. With people whom he doesn’t like, he doesn’t stand on ceremony and eats, in general he has established good relations with the command staff, a good boss ....
    The same Tukhachevsky, March 1924 "... t. Dybenko and from the operational side has established himself as a capable, firm boss. The disadvantage, the biggest one, is inanimacy. Due to the coolness of character and incontinence in expressions, it often becomes in a bad relationship with others. Extremely hardy. In general, an outstanding comcor. Worthy of nomination. "
    Well, the "highlight" of the article, again, the fake with the "American" language is played out, if Dybenko told the NKVD investigator so at Rezun, the author twisted more steeply, said that Dybenko wrote this in a letter to Stalin ...
    Further, it makes no sense to consider the remaining "passages"
    PS But no matter how the author turned out yesterday’s assessments to be strictly opposite, whether he wanted to or not, his articles confirm that Russia had no “other way”: either the Bolsheviks, or the white generals, and the people made a choice in the direction of the Bolsheviks.
    1. Alexander Greene
      Alexander Greene April 18 2018 00: 25
      +1
      I recommend watching the video
      Intelligence: Yegor Yakovlev about the flight of Pavel Dybenko
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAzJaK0YzPk
    2. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid April 18 2018 06: 27
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      Thank you very much Alexander for your comment. I’ll have time to reconnoiter in the morning. ++++++
    3. Monarchist
      Monarchist April 20 2018 13: 46
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      In fact, Tukhachevsky as a "strategist" showed himself near Warsaw. Cork was not the most talented either. In the light of publications: Mukhin and the Kremlin, the above comrades cause some doubt. I would say: Tukhachevsky, Blucher, Cork, Dybenko or Trotsky did not go very far from each other. Each of them has "dubious facts in a biography."
      1. Alexander Greene
        Alexander Greene April 20 2018 18: 34
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        Quote: Monarchist
        Each of them has "dubious facts in a biography."

        No one denies this, I am only against distortions of facts, such as "pod, fled, woke up in Samara."
  18. wax
    wax April 18 2018 11: 58
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    We have Ukraine near by, the fate of which clearly indicates what kind of people are missing there.
  19. Fitter65
    Fitter65 April 19 2018 14: 10
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    He went to the Urals to inspect the camps for political prisoners, that is, to monitor the implementation of the plan for logging in the Gulag system.

    As I understand it, there were only political camps in the Gulag system. And where then were the criminals serving their sentences, who, according to the reports of the Cheka-OGPU-NKVD, were an order of magnitude more political or not? Again, in the documents on the construction of the White Sea-Baltic Canal, dozens of drummers from among the criminals are mentioned ...
  20. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave April 20 2018 20: 56
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    Mikado,
    Thank you very much for the kind words! Even on your birthday, you rarely hear that.