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Why did the Swiss chemists "could not comment" the statement of Lavrov? The expert explained

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The deputy director of the Institute of Strategic Studies and Forecasts of the RUDN University Nikita Danyuk explained why the Swiss laboratory, whose conclusions were referred to by Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, did not comment on his words about the substance BZ.




According to him, "at the moment, institutions that are responsible for regional and global security, including the OPCW, are subject to very serious pressure from external forces."

We saw how the representatives of Great Britain, the United States and other countries, not waiting for the outcome, but even the start of the investigation, blamed our state. In this context, any information that may call into question their unsubstantiated conclusions is very disadvantageous to the collective West. Therefore, naturally, the laboratories, including the Swiss one, which told about BZ, will be under pressure,
quotes expert channel RT.

Danyuk also believes that in the future at the official level it will be declared that Russia is not involved in the "Skripal case".

But the most important strategic task was achieved. Now in the information space there is a certain semantic link: Moscow, the Kremlin, Skripal poisoning,
he concluded.

On Saturday, Sergey Lavrov said that the research center in the Swiss city of Spitz, based on an examination of the samples taken at the scene in Salisbury, concluded that the substance BZ, which stood on the poisoning of the former GRU officer Sergey Skrypal and his daughter, was poisoned armament of Britain and the United States.

After that, the Swiss laboratory posted on Twitter a message saying that it “cannot comment” on the statement of the Russian minister.
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  1. impostor
    impostor April 15 2018 17: 30
    +22
    The doorman cannot comment, his business is to open the front door to the gentlemen
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 April 15 2018 18: 32
      +7
      I’m afraid that the matter is that the Americans will blow up an atomic bomb in Syria, and Russia will be blamed for this. Everything goes to that. We need to be fully armed and prevent such a development of events!
      1. flicker
        flicker April 15 2018 19: 17
        +8
        in Syria, the Americans will blow up an atomic bomb, and blame for this will be blamed on Russia
        This will mean that now you can do EVERYTHING.
        Z.Y. And yes, I can imagine what a commotion will begin in Israel.
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 April 15 2018 19: 41
          +5
          Quote: flicker
          This will mean that now you can do EVERYTHING.

          Can the USA not do EVERYTHING now?
          Quote: flicker
          Z.Y. And yes, I can imagine what a commotion will begin in Israel.

          But Israel, just any trouble would not interfere!
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx April 15 2018 19: 46
            +6
            Why could the Swiss not comment on the statement of Sergey Lavrov? laughing It remains to tell him only one thing:
          2. flicker
            flicker April 15 2018 20: 00
            +2
            Can the USA not do EVERYTHING now?
            Well, the atomic bomb (as a provocation) has not yet been detonated.
  2. sounddoc
    sounddoc April 15 2018 17: 31
    +11
    Do not comment on Swiss chemists - comment on British scientists ... or American warriors .... or European mongrels ....
  3. mig29mks
    mig29mks April 15 2018 17: 31
    +9
    if you have stolen a fur coat, if you have stolen a fur coat, now it doesn’t matter
    1. KVU-NSVD
      KVU-NSVD April 15 2018 17: 56
      +1
      Quote: mig29mks
      if you have stolen a fur coat, if you have stolen a fur coat, now it doesn’t matter

      And who are you specifically referring to? who are you?
      1. mig29mks
        mig29mks April 15 2018 18: 04
        +4
        "But the most important strategic objective was achieved. Now in the information space there is a certain semantic connective: Moscow, the Kremlin, Skripal poisoning." You "are us!)))
        1. KVU-NSVD
          KVU-NSVD April 15 2018 18: 24
          +1
          You did not answer the question ..
          And who are you specifically referring to? who are you?
          Are you being instructed in this way? Well, that's fine ..
  4. svp67
    svp67 April 15 2018 17: 33
    +10
    After that, the Swiss laboratory published a message on Twitter stating that it “cannot comment” on the statement of the Russian minister
    And this is a “democratic” “bold” Switzerland ... Yes, you do not comment on Lavrov’s words, but did you mention in your analysis the substance BZ and the substance called “Novice” had a week after the Skripal poisoning FRESH samples to you that concentration, as if it had just been applied ....
  5. Sewer krainiy
    Sewer krainiy April 15 2018 17: 34
    +7
    According to Euronews, the Spitz laboratory confirmed the use of the Novichok chemical in Salisbury. So, whoever dances, he also orders music .... as many on VO assumed.
    1. tol100v
      tol100v April 15 2018 18: 12
      +7
      Quote: Sewer Krainiy
      So, whoever dances, he also orders music .... as many on VO assumed.

      After the SGA crushed the Swiss Banks, their Experts no longer mean anything, like their "half an hour" from the Middle Kingdom under their brands!
      1. Glory1974
        Glory1974 April 15 2018 19: 03
        +3
        After the SGA crushed the Swiss Banks, their Experts no longer mean anything

        Not just crushed, but under the guise of a search for Nazi gold, the very concept of “bank deposit secrets” was canceled. Some rich people do not really know this and continue to believe Swiss bankers, and some Swiss chemists.
    2. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker April 15 2018 18: 30
      +4
      Quote: Sewer Krainiy
      By Euronews passed

      And what else can the euro appendage to the BBC, CNN and other horns of the "civilized West" communicate?
      1. poquello
        poquello April 15 2018 19: 16
        +6
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        Quote: Sewer Krainiy
        By Euronews passed

        And what else can the euro appendage to the BBC, CNN and other horns of the "civilized West" communicate?

        so Lavrov is a literate man, he didn’t just refer to the conclusions about “bz”, but also brought about the symptoms of his use, the clinic is one-on-one, well, except for the cat naturally
    3. poquello
      poquello April 15 2018 19: 11
      +2
      Quote: Sewer Krainiy
      According to Euronews, the Spitz laboratory confirmed the use of the Novichok chemical in Salisbury. So, whoever dances, he also orders music .... as many on VO assumed.

      - Comrade ensign, and crocodiles fly? - What!? Who told you such garbage? ... - Comrade Major ?! Actually, they fly, but very low!
  6. S_Baykala
    S_Baykala April 15 2018 17: 34
    +14
    The lab will not comment. All is correct. They completed their task. Revealed OM gave a conclusion. They are specialists who have completed their work. And let politicians comment, they are paid money for nonsense
    1. KVU-NSVD
      KVU-NSVD April 15 2018 18: 01
      +6
      You are absolutely right . Experts give an opinion, and politicians turn it around as they want ... and grants will lose weight if they engage in commentaries ... Scientists, they are for science ... but they are not the ones who rule ...
  7. USAmustDIE
    USAmustDIE April 15 2018 17: 35
    +2
    How do corrupt mongrels bark against their masters?
  8. Heterocapsa
    Heterocapsa April 15 2018 17: 37
    +2
    Because Switzerland from the elven dialect is translated as "forever neutral silent"
    1. Kent0001
      Kent0001 April 15 2018 18: 11
      +2
      That's why they live ... for now
    2. NG inform
      NG inform April 16 2018 04: 45
      -1
      Switzerland has not been a neutral country for a long time.
  9. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter April 15 2018 17: 38
    +4
    Everything became corrupt ... Even scientists. Since they receive financing from corporations, and even if it is state-owned, there are always officials who rule this process. Independent laboratory ... culinary nonsense ...
    1. tol100v
      tol100v April 15 2018 18: 21
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Independent laboratory ... culinary nonsense ...

      Unfortunately in Our History there are a lot of ingredients introduced by the company. And Everyone was a Poison for Russia! And we ate them. Thank God !, that the Antidote is laid in the genes, and not in the lessons on Soros and exams "Unified State Examination"! Burp and this dominance of brainwashing! Cn
  10. Shrpv
    Shrpv April 15 2018 17: 41
    +4
    If there is a lie in Syria, it is necessary to leave the OPCW. Why be a member of an organization that does not have authority and freedom of action.
    1. sogdy
      sogdy April 16 2018 05: 32
      0
      Vashcheta, the Russian Federation did not confirm the license for the OPCW. So headquarters is now an interest club.
  11. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh April 15 2018 17: 45
    +7
    "the Swiss lab tweeted,
    which says that she “cannot comment” on the statement of the Russian minister "///

    The Swiss laboratory directly denied the statement of the Russian minister.

    "A statement from the Spitz lab has been posted on the institution’s Twitter account.
    Experts emphasize that the conclusion of the British Porton Down laboratory on
    that in the chemicals from the poisoning site of the former GRU colonel Sergei Skripal and his daughter
    Julia discovered the nerve agent Novichok, "beyond doubt." "

    More details: https://www.newsru.com/world/15apr2018/lavrovswis
    s.html
    In original:
    We have no doubt that Porton Down has identified Novichock
    1. sabakina
      sabakina April 15 2018 17: 55
      +14
      Lyokha, a snowdrift, but BZ Lavrov just took it and invented it? Well, BL-10 Jews!
      1. Artemy
        Artemy April 15 2018 19: 42
        +1
        Quote: sabakina
        Lyokha, a snowdrift, but BZ Lavrov just took it and invented it? Well, BL-10 Jews!

        Is there anything else besides Lavrov’s words?
    2. Igor V
      Igor V April 15 2018 18: 03
      +4
      The translation into Russian is as follows: "Our gut is thin, so we can’t say anything intelligible. Believe everything that you are driven into and that you will be happy."
      I translated like that.
      But circumstances have changed and, as the unforgettable Kozma Prutkov used to say, it is now necessary to prove whether the poisoning was at all, or the S. family was simply taken into slavery and taken to Mars. After all, no one has ever seen them since.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh April 15 2018 18: 06
        +4
        "Believe everything that you are being driven into and you will be happy" ///

        That's for sure! your eyes begin to open. good drinks
        1. newcomer
          newcomer April 15 2018 18: 13
          +4
          I don’t know what kind of bullshit you brought as a reference, but today I have been running across the Internet all day on a statement by Lavrov and the Swiss, I have not found such a free translation anywhere.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh April 15 2018 18: 17
            +1
            Go straight to the Swiss twitter and read for yourself. Everything is open.
            The input is inside my link.
            https://www.newsru.com/world/15apr2018/lavrovswis
            s.html
            1. newcomer
              newcomer April 15 2018 18: 25
              +9
              hell, voyaka uh, the Swiss tweeter doesn't even mention the newcomer.
              1. helmi8
                helmi8 April 15 2018 18: 56
                +5
                Quote: newbie
                Swiss tweeter not even mentioning newbie

                Yes, do not care on Twitter, but Lavrov spoke of the conclusions of the commission as follows: “BZ substance was discovered, as well as A-234 substance, but in such a concentration that it simply cannot be, because too much time has passed.”
                And you yourself draw conclusions, who, when and how much of this A-234 splashed into the soil samples ... And then they pulled out a piece from the text - and rejoice like little children.
                1. newcomer
                  newcomer April 15 2018 19: 00
                  +3
                  Yes Yes. heard a lot. BZ covered A234.
                2. newcomer
                  newcomer April 15 2018 19: 21
                  +3
                  uncle, and uncle, I made my conclusion by reading the entire statement. it is clear that they noticed the traces, for Amerzoyanov used to say which one would use the A234 in a humid environment, because it was afraid of that water. Surely our “poisoners” did not know this fact, the chemical is ours.
              2. Artemy
                Artemy April 15 2018 19: 07
                +1
                Quote: newbie
                hell, voyaka uh, the Swiss tweeter doesn't even mention the newcomer.

                Do not thank.
                1. newcomer
                  newcomer April 15 2018 19: 12
                  +1
                  Merci, I was there. read my comment below.
                  1. Artemy
                    Artemy April 15 2018 19: 26
                    +1
                    Quote: newbie
                    Merci, I was there. read my comment below.

                    I’m sorry, what did you read that you didn’t notice in the first two tweets of the laboratory about the Novice?
                    I’ll ask you again: where did the Swiss laboratory first state about BZ and then change its mind?
                    1. newcomer
                      newcomer April 15 2018 19: 34
                      +5
                      your zeal, yes, understandable course. the explanation is intelligible: the experts did their job, passed the analyzes to our Foreign Ministry. to comment on it in general, it’s even forbidden, according to law. There is no official statement from the laboratory. it was just scared of publicity in front of the euromasters. and the documentary then Lavrov will show where necessary.
                      1. Artemy
                        Artemy April 15 2018 19: 40
                        +1
                        Quote: newbie
                        your zeal, yes, understandable course. the explanation is intelligible: the experts did their job, passed the analyzes to our Foreign Ministry. to comment on it in general, it’s even forbidden, according to law. There is no official statement from the laboratory. it was just scared of publicity in front of the euromasters. and the documentary then Lavrov will show where necessary.

                        You don’t even understand what to write about. Here
                        Kein Zweifel am Nowitschok-Resultat
                        https://www.nzz.ch/international/kein-zweifel-am-
                        nowitschok-resultat-ld.1374775

                        laboratory statement ten days ago. Where did Lavrov get that there was something else?
                      2. newcomer
                        newcomer April 15 2018 19: 59
                        +3
                        take even, Artemy! Well, how not to curse savagely. I see you are so confident in yourself. why does your link generate an error? I repeat again: the official statement of the laboratory is one, ten days ago, or twenty. work on analysis_ is completely different, there are formulas, those. jargon and justification of the result.
              3. CAT BAIYUN
                CAT BAIYUN April 15 2018 19: 24
                +6
                hell, voyaka uh, the Swiss tweeter doesn't even mention the newcomer.

                Come on you! Well you are not God's chosen and do not know how to read between the lines. laughing
                And the fact that you do not believe in chemical attacks in the Syrian Duma and do not believe in a "newbie" as a phenomenon also serves as proof of your unselectedness ...
                Then, you completely, apparently, reject the fact of the veracity of the films from the “White Helmets” ... And this, you know, is in itself a crime in front of all “civilized” humanity yes
                1. newcomer
                  newcomer April 15 2018 19: 28
                  +3
                  I repent, sinful.
                  1. CAT BAIYUN
                    CAT BAIYUN April 15 2018 19: 30
                    +3
                    ABOUT ! Fine! Generally speaking, the Lord is prettier than one repentant sinner than ten righteous! yes
                2. Artemy
                  Artemy April 15 2018 20: 36
                  0
                  Quote: newbie
                  take even, Artemy! Well, how not to swear savagely. I see you are so confident in yourself. why does your link generate an error?

                  Are you joking?


                  I repeat again: the official statement of the laboratory is one, ten days ago, or twenty. work on analysis_ is completely different, there are formulas, those. jargon and justification of the result.

                  Want to know how the experts worked? No problem.
                  https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/EC/M-57/en/ec
                  m57dg01_e_.pdf
              4. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh April 15 2018 22: 21
                +2
                I’ll help you, here’s the full tweet text:
                Only OPCW can comment this assertion. But we can repeat what we stated 10 days ago: We have no doubt that Porton Down has identified Novichock. PD - like Spiez - is a designated lab of the OPCW. The standards in verification are so rigid that one can trust the findings. #Skipal

                I hope you find the word Beginner in this text. IQ test smile
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack April 15 2018 22: 30
                  +3
                  Alexey, a tweet is about nothing.
                  Someone has confidence that he was not mistaken in saying something earlier.
                  Justification for this “confidence” tweet does not contain request
                  1. YELLOWSTONE
                    YELLOWSTONE April 15 2018 23: 35
                    +2
                    Yes, they surely trust the gentlemen at the beginner’s expense, but they themselves also found the BZ. laughing
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    The standards in verification are so rigid that one can trust the findings.

                    and therefore they didn’t even look for a beginner.
                    i.e. double blooper wassat
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack April 15 2018 23: 39
                      +1
                      Quote: YELLOWSTONE
                      they surely trust gentlemen at the beginner's account (trust)

                      Stop shaming.
                      In this context, so beloved "trust" means only confidence in research results.
                      No more request
                      1. YELLOWSTONE
                        YELLOWSTONE April 16 2018 01: 46
                        +3
                        in the context:
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        We have no doubt that Porton down has identified Novichock.

                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Stop shaming ...

                        are you ill? bully Porton Down identified you so beloved by Novichock, not a Swiss lab laughing
                        Swiss lab identified BZ laughing
                2. YELLOWSTONE
                  YELLOWSTONE April 15 2018 23: 33
                  +1
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  I hope you find the word Beginner in this text. IQ test smile

                  I hope you understand what (in this tweet) means "trust" laughing
                  if you understood, you would never have brought him yes
            2. newcomer
              newcomer April 15 2018 18: 42
              +9
              voyaka uh, having read the text completely, the meaning boils down to the following: we have no doubt (that is, we cannot) that Portn Down identified the substance (!) as a beginner. and Portn Down _ this is the OPCW. in Russian it will be like this, we can’t argue with PD, this is a division of the OPCW. I see that you are in your repertoire, gentlemen, Jews: the Russians shot down the Boeing, the Russians tramped the skripal, the Russians unleashed the war in 404.
              1. CAT BAIYUN
                CAT BAIYUN April 15 2018 19: 34
                +9
                you are in your repertoire, gentlemen, Jews: the Russians shot down the Boeing, the Russians tramped the skripal, the Russians unleashed the war in 404.

                You still forgot to add that the mass executions of Jews are the same Russian. Yellow stars on clothes during the Second World War - this is what we came up with.
                We are such that they would immediately solve all of them, even a whole region in the country (USSR) would be allocated ... Jewish autonomous ... Well, what would all be at once ... But it did not grow together, to see something ....
                1. newcomer
                  newcomer April 15 2018 20: 03
                  +6
                  You see, Vasily, the uneven breathing of the Israelis towards everything Russian is a separate, historically theological topic.
                  1. CAT BAIYUN
                    CAT BAIYUN April 15 2018 20: 19
                    +5
                    Israel’s irregular breathing towards everything Russian, a separate, historically theological topic.

                    I see, I see, Garik .. But they would have sat calmly for themselves. They would merge history with theology, read the torus ... But it seems that half of the Russian-speaking Jews (who acquired Russian language skills with education), and who have not managed to realize their potential (even after leaving), consider it their duty in every possible way to swear Russia to one degree or another ...
                    I always have a question for them: on the local resources they also spread rot where they came from? It seems to me that on the local resources there are much more people who want to send them away than even here ... There is a kind of tolerant attitude towards them ... So they are engaged in self-realization, carrying the blizzard to everything Russian and not so much.
                    Well this is my personal opinion .... yes
                    1. newcomer
                      newcomer April 15 2018 22: 22
                      +4
                      so they already have a split inside. I will not go into details, as I already wrote on the site, but now they are already dividing into “clean” and come in large numbers, namely from the USSR.
                      1. CAT BAIYUN
                        CAT BAIYUN April 16 2018 00: 48
                        +6
                        division into “clean” and come in large numbers

                        Well, yes, yes .... Here he was a smart Jew, and there, he is a stupid emigrant .. They have had this for a long time.
            3. Glory1974
              Glory1974 April 15 2018 18: 58
              0
              Link:
              404
              Sorry, the requested page was not found.

              More details: https://www.newsru.com/world/15apr2018/lavrovswis
              % 20s.html

              apparently already cleared the tails.
          2. serg999
            serg999 April 15 2018 18: 23
            0
            Quote: newbie
            I don’t know what kind of bullshit you brought as a reference, but today I have been running across the Internet all day on a statement by Lavrov and the Swiss, I have not found such a free translation anywhere.

            So what then is the "real" translation?
            1. newcomer
              newcomer April 15 2018 18: 27
              +1
              go to them on a tweeter.
          3. Artemy
            Artemy April 15 2018 19: 06
            +1
            Quote: newbie
            I don’t know what kind of bullshit you brought as a reference, but today I have been running across the Internet all day on a statement by Lavrov and the Swiss, I have not found such a free translation anywhere.

            And where on the internet is a Swiss laboratory statement that they found BZ?
            1. newcomer
              newcomer April 15 2018 19: 16
              +4
              it’s not a lab at all. it’s just a response to Lavrov’s statement. Lavrov’s documentary data from this lab. the Swiss deceived.
        2. Igor V
          Igor V April 15 2018 18: 17
          +3
          Quote: voyaka uh
          "Believe everything that you are being driven into and you will be happy" ///

          That's for sure! your eyes begin to open. good drinks

          Yes, especially the left. But it seems that it is your fellow citizens who are the most gullible, based on comments. Do not be exacting, for me it is amazing. smile
        3. Baby sitter
          Baby sitter April 15 2018 19: 24
          +3
          Well, you believe that Moses drove you through the deserts for 40 years .... we don’t tell you that you (like an idiom) ... don’t even think winked
        4. sabakina
          sabakina April 15 2018 19: 35
          +5
          Quote: voyaka uh
          "Believe everything that you are being driven into and you will be happy" ///
          That's for sure! your eyes begin to open. good drinks

          A bit more...
    3. V. Salama
      V. Salama April 15 2018 21: 20
      +5
      Quote: voyaka uh
      ...
      "A statement from the Spitz lab has been posted on the institution’s Twitter account.
      Experts emphasize that the conclusion of the British Porton Down laboratory on
      that in the chemicals from the poisoning site of the former GRU colonel Sergei Skripal and his daughter
      Julia discovered the nerve agent Novichok, "beyond doubt." "...

      You can read anything, but the main doubt is the result of using this "nerve-paralytic" supernatural "Novice" - all survived, this is nonsense. Why was the city fence - inventing such crap? They would take the good old organophosphorus nerve agent, for example, what is indicated by VX. It is easily transported, volatility is extremely low - in the open air above a small volume (for sabotage purposes) up to seven minutes. you can do without a gas mask, rabid toxicity - a mid-lethal toxoid dose to the skin of 7 mg per person. It is enough to touch the hand with the infected surface and, after 3-4 minutes. asymptomatic resorption into the bloodstream - paralysis of the respiratory system. The process lasts very briefly, a specific antidote must be literally at hand. So the temporarily disabling BZ here is more suitable for the situation than the nerve-paralytic combat supernatural.
      1. sxfRipper
        sxfRipper April 15 2018 23: 08
        +6
        So the temporarily disabling BZ here is more suitable for the situation than the nerve-paralytic combat supernatural
        About that and speech! A real combat agent would have reassured the Skripals themselves and a bunch of people a long time ago. But in reality only guinea pigs and a cat died, and even then not from the OM, but from the stupidity of those who decided to seal the house.
    4. YELLOWSTONE
      YELLOWSTONE April 15 2018 21: 36
      +2
      if at first the English press wrote about fentanyl, then everything in general converges, BZ has a similar nature of poisoning, he is also a drug
      "highly like" they just called him Novichkom yes
    5. iouris
      iouris April 16 2018 00: 18
      +2
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Swiss laboratory tweeted

      What does twitter have to do with it? The laboratory presented the results of the analysis in an official document for the OPCW. Now it matters how the representative of the Russian Federation can influence the conclusions of the OPCW. It is clear as day that, apart from that, no one would use the nerve agent “agent” to kill a specific person. Syria and the Russian Federation destroyed their chemical weapons under the control of the United States and Great Britain. The USA and Great Britain did not destroy. It seems that we need to start over (for balance).
    6. NG inform
      NG inform April 16 2018 04: 51
      +1
      They did not refute anything. They did not say that they did NOT find BZ - and that would be a rebuttal. They said they were whitewashed in what the English found. But this is vyrviglazny nonsense, tk. they were given not a paper report to test the methodology, but specific tests, so that they themselves did the analysis.
      In total, we can say that they confirmed the words of Lavrov by the classical method of canary.
  12. jovanni
    jovanni April 15 2018 17: 45
    +1
    Danyuk also believes that in the future at the official level it will be declared that Russia is not involved in the "Skripal case".

    Of course it will be! About fifty years later. Or a hundred. Or never. Another thing is striking: the former camel breeders concoct the crap, and the whole world wags it. Someone, however, frowns, but most with pleasure. And our bright minds, whole graduates of MGIMO mutter there, babble about justice, but no one perceives them. Well, I don’t take all sorts of different deputies with delegates - those are the defaults .... but professional diplomats are so helpless in front of the enemy ?! Can they be taught there not so and not that? Or they just work out salaries, and on the sidelines are friends with families with "partners". Can a Bungalow Retire in Florida? With a barbecue ...
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa April 15 2018 18: 13
      +2
      Quote: Jovanni
      professional diplomats why are they so helpless in front of the enemy ?! Can they be taught there not so and not that? Or they just work out salaries, and on the sidelines are friends with families with "partners". Can a Bungalow Retire in Florida?

      The idea, of course, is interesting !!!
      But by and large, for diplomats to defend popular interests, they should be from the people, and not hereditary "diplomats" who have long been torn from the people ... Therefore, they protect the clan interests of the elite ... And if there were no Putin-Lavrov control , then with us every second "diploMAT" would be like Kozyrev! who will sell his mother for a bungalow ...
      IMHO.
  13. mavrus
    mavrus April 15 2018 17: 49
    +3
    The OPCW and everything that stands behind it have already been slapped on by Swiss experts on the nose, so that they don’t go where the arrogant Saxons do not need, and if the word fades, then they suddenly lose their licenses, you are smart.
  14. evil partisan
    evil partisan April 15 2018 17: 50
    +4
    Why not commented? yes, because modern Europe is the tzysyvalization of bzdunov negative . That's the whole .. up to a penny.
    1. bald
      bald April 15 2018 18: 14
      +2
      And in life.
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  16. bald
    bald April 15 2018 18: 13
    +1
    Soon we can be included in the chemical. commissions. Well, they’ve gotten it right, plus an objective judgment.
  17. APASUS
    APASUS April 15 2018 18: 16
    +3
    Entire countries shut up and remain silent, despite the fact that they fully understand what they mean. And then a whole laboratory will oppose the United States? Yes not to life
  18. pvv113
    pvv113 April 15 2018 18: 27
    +2
    Swiss laboratory tweeted saying it “cannot comment” on Russian minister’s statement

    That is, the laboratory does not understand how the military substance BZ came into service with the armies of the states and the Anglo-Saxons? recourse
    1. Simargl
      Simargl April 15 2018 19: 39
      +2
      Quote: pvv113
      How did the BZ combat substance enter the arsenal of the state and Anglo-Saxon armies?
      Russian hackers!
      1. pvv113
        pvv113 April 15 2018 20: 02
        0
        Does the laboratory really not know this?
        1. Simargl
          Simargl April 15 2018 20: 51
          +1
          Well, hackers! Secretly all turned.
          Only shhhhhhhhhh! To nobody! stop
          1. pvv113
            pvv113 April 15 2018 22: 01
            0
            I understand that this is a military secret. But laboratory assistants could read in the American media
            1. Simargl
              Simargl April 15 2018 22: 04
              +1
              See how everything is classified ... was ...
              And we leaked ...
              Now SSYNN will retype, give a bunch of cross-references, the Pentagon will report - no one will get out.
              I packed my things. I also advise you - who is already following us.
              1. pvv113
                pvv113 April 15 2018 22: 21
                +1
                Thanks for work. I'll try to chop off the tails
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  19. Operator
    Operator April 15 2018 20: 31
    +2
    @SpiezLab
    Only OPCW can comment this assertion. But we can repeat what we stated 10 days ago: We have no doubt that Porton Down has identified Novichock. PD - like Spiez - is a designated lab of the OPCW. The standards in verification are so rigid that one can trust the findings. #Skipal
    22:49 - 14/04/2018

    Translation:
    Only the OPCW can comment on this statement [of Lavrov]. But we can repeat what we claimed 10 days ago: we have no doubt that the Porton Down [laboratory] has identified the "Novice". PD, as well as Spitz, an authorized laboratory of the OPCW. Verification standards are so stringent that you can trust the results.

    PS Bullshit - we have no doubt that we have identified BZ, but we also have no doubt that in Porton Down we have identified "Novice" laughing
    1. Artemy
      Artemy April 15 2018 20: 40
      +1
      Maybe at least you will show me where they "determined BZ"?
      1. Operator
        Operator April 15 2018 20: 48
        +3
        Speaking on April 14 2018 of the year at the Assembly of the Council on Foreign and Defense Policy of the Russian Federation S. Lavrov quoted Report of the Swiss Center for Radiological and Chemical-Bacteriological Analysis, located in the city of Spitz, on the analysis of samples received from the OPCW:
        “Based on the results of the examination, the samples revealed traces of the toxic chemical BZ and its precursors related to chemical weapons of the second category in accordance with the Convention on the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons. BZ is a nerve agent that temporarily disables a person. The psychotoxic effect is achieved in 30 — 60 minutes after application and lasts up to four days. ”

        S. Lavrov added that in the samples of samples from Salisbury, along with BZ, the presence of an A-234-type nerve agent in the initial state and significant concentration, as well as its decay products, was also detected:
        “According to experts, the established significant concentration of A-234 would inevitably lead to death, and given its high volatility, the question of detecting this poisonous substance in its original state, besides in its pure form and high concentration, seems extremely suspicious because the period between poisoning and sampling was quite long. ”

        https://youtu.be/wJX9m2Ui4-c

        PS The detection in the "blood samples" of the Skripals of a high concentration of the volatile "Novice" after 15 days from the moment of their poisoning means that they were allegedly poisoned with a horse dose of a combat nerve agent laughing
        1. Artemy
          Artemy April 16 2018 07: 18
          0
          Quote: Operator
          Speaking on April 14 2018 of the year at the Assembly of the Council on Foreign and Defense Policy of the Russian Federation S. Lavrov quoted Report of the Swiss Center for Radiological and Chemical-Bacteriological Analysis, located in the city of Spitz, on the analysis of samples received from the OPCW:

          To "quote" the report, you need to have this very report. The only problem is that no one except Lavrov knows about this report. Even the Swiss themselves.
          1. Operator
            Operator April 16 2018 07: 21
            +3
            Where can I read the words of the Swiss about their "ignorance" of their report at the OPCW? laughing
        2. YELLOWSTONE
          YELLOWSTONE April 17 2018 09: 42
          0
          By the way, yes:
          From a briefing by Zakharova

          On March 5, the Salisbury Journal reported that emergency services suspect poisoning of victims opioid narcotic substance - fentanyl. The restaurant "Zizzy" was cordoned off, where the creaks had dined on that day. A similar version was expressed by the Telegraph publication. Then the article was deleted, but preserved in the cache of Google. Why was she removed? What kind of data were published there that needed to be erased urgently?

          On March 6, nothing is yet known, but B. Johnson proactively declares in Parliament that his country will “toughly react” to any evidence of Russia's involvement in the incident. The decision is formed, political accusations are already formulated.

          On March 7, the head of the counterterrorism unit of Scotland Yard, M. Rowley, announced that Sergei and Julia Skripal had been poisoned with nerve agent. The police do not indicate what substance is in question.

          fentanyl is a synthetic heroin, organophosphorus compounds act differently
          the deletion story is similar to the deletion of the report of the Russian BBC service (also remained in Google’s cache) that the declared location of the Buk of militiamen’s launch on MH17 was not found and the grass just fell there, without erosion of the topsoil from the rocket engine jet.
  20. Victoria-V
    Victoria-V April 15 2018 21: 00
    +3
    I don’t want to argue with anyone, this is just the source: The results of the analysis carried out by the OPCW laboratories on environmental and biomedical samples collected by the OPCW team confirm the United Kingdom's conclusions regarding the identity of the toxic chemical used in Salisbury and seriously injured by three people. This is stated in the open part of the report on the OPCW website. https://www.opcw.org/news/article/opcw-issues-rep
    ort-on-technical-assistance-requested-by-the-unit
    ed-kingdom /
  21. Kleber
    Kleber April 15 2018 21: 01
    0
    Yes, the Americans gave money .... that’s the whole answer.
  22. Awaz
    Awaz April 15 2018 21: 07
    +4
    It makes no sense to break the spears of gentlemen. If the authorities of the Russian Federation did not have any real evidence, then a statement like that would not have been made by Lavrov but Zhirik. However, I accidentally heard part of Lavrov’s statement. According to him, it would be clear that the Russian authorities received information on the real results of the Swiss commission through the left channels. Another thing is that this commission is unlikely to recognize that they have unearthed and will dance to the tune of those who started all this. Although I hope that there are one or two real men or women who value their reputation and, as in the story of a downed Boeing, either do not subscribe to the imposed version of events from the outside or openly acknowledge the real data received. Believe it with difficulty, but it happens.
    Lavrov is still not the kind of person who would speak without facts.
  23. Nikolay Kuznetsov
    Nikolay Kuznetsov April 15 2018 21: 25
    0
    What is happening now or right after Lavrov’s speech is going on in the Swiss. laboratories ??? !!! After all, someone leaked the info to us .. Surely the Shh-Schweizers were not going to share the results with Russia, publish, collect briefings. And? I hope they don’t find an insider.
  24. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir April 15 2018 21: 37
    +2
    Laboratory experts in Spitz, Switzerland, cited by Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov as saying the findings of their British counterparts from Porton Down on poisoning Sergei Skripal with Novichok type poison are beyond doubt

    Read more at RBC:
    https://www.rbc.ru/politics/15/04/2018/5ad2f3489a
    7947d1445fa036? From = main
    1. Victoria-V
      Victoria-V April 15 2018 21: 47
      +2
      I will help: The conclusions of British experts from the Porton Down laboratory that the former GRU Colonel Sergei Skripal and his daughter Julia were poisoned with the novice “Novichok” are “beyond doubt”. This is stated in a statement by the Swiss chemical laboratory in Spitz, which was previously mentioned by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov in a statement on the poisoning of Skripals with BZ gas.
  25. Kelwin
    Kelwin April 15 2018 23: 17
    0
    Something does not fit here. If they are “under pressure”, that is, control, then why did they stutter about the real results, and if they cut the truth, then why should I build a girl out of myself, and it is not clear who asked what question to them on this twitter. .. Again some kind of gasket.
  26. iouris
    iouris April 15 2018 23: 38
    0
    Swiss chemists are no different for us from Boris Johnson. I don’t understand why Lavrov got excited before he made this statement. Our diplomacy allowed the extrusion of our experts from all institutions that should be impartial, even in theory. “International law” is Washington’s instructions. Washington will rob us. Either give up or mobilize for a war for the right to manage your resources and money.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack April 15 2018 23: 54
      +1
      Quote: iouris
      Swiss chemists are no different for us from Boris Johnson

      That is, you do not care whether they are chemists or diplomats?
      Funny ...
      Quote: iouris
      I don’t understand why Lavrov got excited ...

      You, as I see it, still do not understand much. Are you going to tell about everything that you don’t understand?
      Quote: iouris
      “International law” is Washington’s instructions. Washington will rob us

      Pancake. Not this way.
      Washington wants it to be that way. But he doesn’t always succeed.
      There is hope that over time he will succeed ... less and less.
      Quote: iouris
      Either surrender or mobilize for war

      Clear. For you, the world is black and white, a campaign. Sorry for you request
  27. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 April 16 2018 04: 19
    0
    Someone would doubt - it is necessary to live according to the laws of the pack, what the "leader" said, that’s what you need to do !!! Otherwise, "atu" him.
  28. Victoria-V
    Victoria-V April 16 2018 08: 02
    +2
    Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said, citing a Swiss laboratory, that Skripale was poisoned not by Novice, but by substances produced in the West. The Swiss immediately rebutted, unambiguously pointing to Novice. The Foreign Minister clearly lied, completely knowing that in a matter of hours, with all honest people, they would ridicule him, but this did not deter him from lying.
    1. YELLOWSTONE
      YELLOWSTONE April 17 2018 09: 21
      0
      the Swiss unambiguously tweeted that they at Porton Down’s lab “believe” because there the British have the same high standards as theirs, and they can’t comment on Lavrov’s speech this should be done by the OPCW.
      if this helps you, fentanyl (synthetic heroin) has similar signs of poisoning with BZ, and on March 5, the English press in their first report from the Salisbury hospital wrote about the poisoning in the park of two people precisely from an overdose of this substance (fentanyl).
      1. Operator
        Operator April 17 2018 11: 20
        +1
        Downons from Porton Down stopudovo could not be mistaken in the presence of organophosphorus substance in the samples of the Skripals blood - after all, before that downs themselves had added it there invitro.

        But they are downs by definition - therefore, they added a horse dose of an organophosphorus substance to the samples, from which the Skripins would die instantly, and would not have lost consciousness several hours after contacting the door handle of the house, on which the police found the highest concentration of this substance after the heading analysis.

        The British downs (including the Prime Minister) simply did not calculate the possibility of information leakage at the stage of the official investigation at the level of the OPCW, which was done by the Swiss. Having said nothing about the presence of narcotic military substance BZ in blood samples, the downs were substituted in full.
        1. YELLOWSTONE
          YELLOWSTONE April 17 2018 12: 15
          +1
          https://youtu.be/QEb74ip_6RM
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEb74ip_6RM
          Press Conference of the Permanent Representative of the Russian Federation at the OPCW
          from 1:50 tin
          laughing
          from 2:50 a joke in general laughing
  29. Dadsanya
    Dadsanya April 16 2018 21: 18
    0
    The OPCW has become a dependent organization on the USA and other Western countries, and it will lie and trap. Why is Russia not decisively opposing this? In my opinion, we ourselves can fulfill the role of the OPCW and pursue a more active policy on this issue!