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Aluminum bullet: the future for the secret services or a reason to laugh?

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Aluminum bullet: the future for the secret services or a reason to laugh?


Surprisingly, but somehow unnoticed, conversations about aluminum bullets have already been registered and are being conducted at military forums.

Someone "on a big secret" talks about new bullets for special forces. Someone is arming them with the police. Someone national guard. And it looks quite respectable.

The low weight of aluminum gives a significant "slimming" of the bullet, and therefore, increases the initial velocity while maintaining the same charge. A faster bullet has a greater stopping effect than a heavy lead bullet.

Let's try to understand the essence of the issue. Is it possible to arm any structures with aluminum bullets?

Let's start with a stop action. Indeed, the energy of a light bullet will be higher than heavy. But this advantage will operate at a very short distance. Literally in 20-100 meters, depending on the type of weapon, the bullet will turn into a traumatic one, and then generally into a stone for a slingshot.

For a long-barreled weapon, such a bullet is the absolute absurdity. There is enough stopping action, and the direct shot range and effective range is much more important than the stopping action. So, there is a short-barreled weapon. Pistols

Beautiful idea. A policeman or guardsman with a pistol, who calmly uses it even in the presence of civilians around. The bullet strikes at a distance of 20-40 meters. Next - bruises and bumps for bystanders.

In this case, this policeman shoots much better than he did before, with normal ammunition. Just because the light ammunition will give less recoil barrel. Aiming will be easier. Criminals at close range are amazed more effectively.

And now let's look a little wider. And if the criminal also has a weapon? With a normal heavy bullet? And the criminal will have the same distance as the policeman. Only the fire he will open at least ten meters earlier.

But this is not the main thing.

What to do if the offender hides in the bushes or behind a sandy, earthen, or even wooden shelter? What happens then? A quick but light bullet dramatically loses its advantages. The penetrating ability of such a bullet decreases sharply due to the rapid transfer of energy to the target. In this case, the obstacle ...

A bullet passed through the plywood door and turned into a piece of metal that the boy shoots with a slingshot at sparrows.

Imagine a fairly common situation: the use of weapons by the person who is in the car. The effect of a bullet hit on the glass will be about the same as in a wooden wall. Especially in Lobovyk from the "triplex". Perhaps the bullet will pass through the glass, but to hit the offender so as to neutralize him for sure, can not. The main energy goes to the glass.

Modern glass? Triple? More? You begin to understand that in this case a pistol with a light aluminum bullet becomes just a toy. The method of causing light wounds at best. Shards of glass ...

And if the street is such a rare occurrence as the wind? A light bullet with a large caliber, and hence a large sail, will fly to where the gusts of this same wind will direct it. Can you imagine the quality of shooting?

If in general, all this vague vertezh on aluminum bullets is nothing more than just trying to earn a cheap authority on knowing what tomorrow may be.

In principle, aluminum already has an application in the production of bullets. In particular, cartridges with increased armor penetration. Type 9х19 PBPgzh (according to 7Н31). There the shirt is made of aluminum alloy. The bullet works great on 2 class body armor.



There is another very important factor that reduces the possibility of applying aluminum to zero. Here we will immediately emphasize that we are talking about aluminum, since no alloys were used in pseudo-articles.

Any product made of aluminum very quickly becomes covered with a thin layer of oxide. This compound is known as corundum. Al2O3 On the bullet layer will be a 1-3 micron. Not at all critical. But he will!

What is corundum? One of the best abrasives to date. No worse than diamond chips, but cheaper by an order of magnitude.

And what will the abrasive material do with the barrel of a pistol? Anyway, with any trunk? I think no need to tell. Hello cuts in particular, and the trunk as a whole. Wear will be huge.

Well, for those who really want to know more about such bullets, I will talk about the excellent replacement of aluminum. More precisely, about the bullet that has already been developed. It is a half-shell bullet with a bare, hardened core in a plastic shirt.

The bullet turned out exactly the way aluminum supporters described. Light, with a high initial speed, with a small dangerous interval. But at the same time, the deficiencies mentioned above were eliminated in this pool.

When hit in a bulletproof vest, such a bullet acts like a regular sub-caliber armor-piercing bullet. The core works. But when it enters the soft tissues of the human body, the half-shell has sufficient speed so that the stopping effect of the bullet is higher than that of ordinary ammunition.

But if you look at the trends in the development of weapons for the police and special services, you can see an even simpler solution. The decision that designers have come to for a long time. Caliber pistols and revolvers for special services began to increase.

At the same time, bullets for such weapons have changed. The designers returned to the expansive pool. Soft, rapidly losing speed, but having tremendous stopping power. Deaths became less, but injuries became more serious.

In general, combined bullets reign in the modern world. The development of weapons requires more and more new types of ammunition, and accordingly, new materials for their production. It is possible that the time will come and aluminum. But definitely in any combination or alloy. Anything is possible, for never say never.
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  1. RaptorF22
    RaptorF22 April 16 2018 05: 52
    +2
    When will there be a cop for the people? It's absurd to allow 366tkm which is more powerful than 9x19 and prohibit weak pistol calibers wink
    1. Citizen 90
      Citizen 90 April 16 2018 08: 04
      +5
      Forbidden, as I understand it, not because of the caliber, but because of the possibility of hidden wearing
      1. RaptorF22
        RaptorF22 April 16 2018 08: 42
        0
        Then why not oblige you to wear it openly? fellow There are tigers worn openly in covers and not what wink
        1. Citizen 90
          Citizen 90 April 16 2018 09: 20
          +1
          What does “oblige” mean? How to check? Search every person you meet?)) You can’t hide a tiger under a coat, it’s hard to even wear a sawn-off shotgun. The cop also makes it possible to wear hidden without bothering
          1. RaptorF22
            RaptorF22 April 16 2018 09: 34
            0
            Fear of hidden wearing I think is unnecessary wink rifled weapons ks or carbine passes control shooting, which means it’s absolutely impossible to use it for criminal purposes, this is actually how to leave a passport at the crime scene winked but a law-abiding and adequate cop would not hurt our citizens wink
            1. CentDo
              CentDo April 16 2018 10: 09
              +7
              Tigers, as I recall, are worn in cases in a discharged state. It is impossible to use a weapon right away (until you get it out of the case, while you charge). But the short barrel can be used immediately, "on emotions." And how are you going to check the adequacy of citizens? Any person can be absolutely adequate in everyday life, but in a stressful situation they will lose their brakes and build several corpses. Remember how we periodically resolve disputes on the roads (and not only on the roads). Previously, fists, mounts and bats were used, now they are often injured, will they shoot from battle trunks tomorrow?
              1. Citizen 90
                Citizen 90 April 16 2018 10: 35
                +3
                Exactly. Must bear discharged, even pneuma. And this is true. First of all, you need to introduce a normal law on self-defense and teach / force the BODIES to understand such issues. Now I can’t calmly shove a drunk who climbed into my yard with a shovel until he stabs me with a rose from a bottle / screwdriver or whatever he has, because otherwise I will be to blame, as I would cause bodily harm before the danger to life appeared, and I have no right to protect property. I must call the police, wait for them and watch him rub something and leave.
              2. RaptorF22
                RaptorF22 April 16 2018 10: 37
                0
                It is impossible to use a short barrel on emotions since rifled weapons leave traces that each weapon has its own and each owner of a rifled weapon knows this very well wink
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 April 16 2018 10: 48
                  +1
                  I then asked a question about lead-free shell-free bullets (small things). What is the likelihood of their intensification after entering the body? I did not receive a clear answer.
                  1. the47th
                    the47th April 17 2018 17: 43
                    +2
                    Most likely, near-zero. But, in order to guarantee the killing of a .22 caliber, you need to either get into the eye or spend a lot of rounds. In addition, it is possible to prohibit the carrying of .22 caliber weapons - and the question will disappear.
                  2. domokl
                    domokl April 18 2018 15: 21
                    +2
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    I here once asked a question about lead-free bullets (small pieces).

                    If the bullet is not deformed identify possible. another thing is that such a bullet almost always turns into a piece of lead from hitting the bone
                2. CentDo
                  CentDo April 16 2018 10: 51
                  +1
                  Do you understand what is "on emotions"? You will not at this moment think about the consequences of using weapons, just apply and that's it.
                3. Vladimir 5
                  Vladimir 5 April 16 2018 11: 11
                  +5
                  Trauma on emotions is used to the fullest even with the slightest conflict, a firearm will also be used. The people are emotional and predisposed to aggression, which is the result of the state of the state and society.
                  Hidden carrying short-barreled weapons will predetermine an increase in crimes that occurred even when the decision to scare off and which do not correspond to the situation of use. For example, many car killings due to speeding are not reduced, although they are punished. So it will be with the short-barrels, a lot of killings will not reduce the use of weapons, and self-preservation skills will manifest themselves only in a generation, with constant annual sets of victims - you can’t even imagine the numbers for the whole country and for decades - and this is the tragedy of families, personalities .. Example The United States, how many innocent and guilty people were killed over the centuries, with permissive laws for the short barrel, who tried to calculate, so for a million the bill would obviously go ... The short barrel is not a panacea, but an aggravation ...
                  1. Conserp
                    Conserp April 16 2018 12: 31
                    +5
                    Quote: Vladimir 5
                    People are emotional and predisposed to aggression.

                    A standard set of propaganda Russophobic clichés that have nothing to do with reality and are repeatedly refuted by facts.

                    "Give you a weapon - you will shoot each other drunk right away."

                    Quote: Vladimir 5
                    USA example

                    There are statistics for the USA.

                    There, legal weapons illegally kill about the same as cyclists.
                    1. RaptorF22
                      RaptorF22 April 16 2018 16: 01
                      0
                      I agree everything is true said hi
                    2. Vladimir 5
                      Vladimir 5 April 16 2018 20: 10
                      -1
                      You told a clear lie that defines you as unscrupulous, which weapons cannot be trusted either ...
                    3. Kibb
                      Kibb April 17 2018 18: 17
                      0
                      In Moldova, statistics have not grown much, but a traffic policeman, both in Moldova and in the unrecognized - Russia and Ukriana nervously smokes aside
                    4. morved
                      morved April 17 2018 18: 45
                      +1
                      And how many ex kills. legal, which was taken away / stolen from the owners? According to the United States, statistics say that dofiga weapons do not make the streets safer for the population. And I do not want my country to have areas where the police prefer not to call.
                      1. Daniel
                        Daniel April 17 2018 21: 42
                        +2
                        Quote: Conserp
                        A standard set of propaganda Russophobic clichés that have nothing to do with reality and are repeatedly refuted by facts.

                        This is normal in a dispute on such a topic. From supporters of legalization, as a rule, facts, statistics, arguments, and from opponents nothing but emotions and some kind of Russophobic nonsense.

                        And directly on the topic of the article: while at "military forums" aluminum is somehow quietly discussed in bullets, comrades from FN are already making these same bullets, quite on an industrial scale.
                        SS195LF Lead Free
                        This round features an innovative and lightweight brass jacketed, aluminum-core hollow point bullet.

                        SS198LF Lead Free Round
                        LE restricted aluminum-core hollow point duty round with green tip. The lead-free primer and projectile have the added benefit of making it comply with agency or indoor ranges that might prohibit lead use.


                      2. Conserp
                        Conserp April 18 2018 10: 27
                        +1
                        Quote: morved
                        According to the United States, statistics say that dofiga weapons do not make the streets safer for the population.

                        Why are you lying?

                        Why are the least safe streets in the US exactly where weapons smoking - New York, Chicago, Detroit, Los Angeles and so on?
                  2. Simargl
                    Simargl April 19 2018 01: 51
                    0
                    Quote: Vladimir 5
                    Trauma on emotions is used to the fullest even with the slightest conflict, a firearm will also be used.
                    The biggest evil that the authorities of the new rushka did (the period of Gorbachev and Yeltsinism could not be called otherwise) was allowed not by the Constitutional Court, but first by acid scarecrows and then rubber! The fact is that the threshold for using both of them is very low, because it is believed that it is not possible to inflict any major damage on them! From here - the most severe discrimination of the population (like - "look, they are shooting each other with rubber, but with the COP the massacre will begin") !!!
              3. Grid
                Grid April 16 2018 10: 40
                0
                It is impossible to use weapons immediately

                3 seconds Checked personally, but not on the Tiger, but SVT-40. After the loaded rifle was in my hands the guys lost their desire to smoke very sharply ...
                1. CentDo
                  CentDo April 16 2018 10: 48
                  +3
                  In 3 seconds, you removed the cover from your shoulder, took out a discharged rifle from it and loaded it? Believed with difficulty, but I will not dispute. Then answer the question: do you go to the grocery store with SVT? And to work?
                2. Kibb
                  Kibb April 17 2018 18: 45
                  0
                  The tiger is not exactly SVD. So when charged - everyone will lose their desire to smoke, no matter what system it will be
              4. dokusib
                dokusib April 16 2018 11: 39
                +2
                That’s why the trauma goes according to what they think: "This is trauma, you can’t kill him." And they begin to wave about and without reason. And the villains who are also trying to frighten not a timid dozen and rod directly to the trunk. And when the perversion called traumatic weapons disappears, then every gun that gets out in a similar situation (I mean a legally acquired barrel) will clearly understand "I’ll kill now and sit down for ten years or kill me." The idea is too simple to forget it even in a state of passion. Just when the consequences become unimportant it no longer matters what you have in your hands, a gun or a kitchen knife or a brick.
                1. CentDo
                  CentDo April 16 2018 13: 10
                  +2
                  Just when the consequences become unimportant it no longer matters what you have in your hands, a gun or a kitchen knife or a brick.

                  I agree with you, but to kill with a knife or brick is still much more difficult. Both physically and purely psychologically.
                  The other day I watched as two adult men started a fight at a bus stop. Trite due to the fact that one accidentally pushed the other. And not baby tremors and hugs, but a real scuffle. Evening, a nervous day at work, crowded transport, the nerves simply could not stand it, and away we go. Who can guarantee that in such a situation one of them would not grab the barrel and start firing? Not even wanting to kill, but simply to hurt or scare, what would such a person do at a stop clogged with people?
                2. Kibb
                  Kibb April 17 2018 19: 02
                  0
                  Wasp kills, it’s just not like a modern gun, but in Russia it seems to be legal?
            2. morved
              morved April 17 2018 18: 43
              +1
              Which way is it? Judging by the short-barreled fans I know, in the nearest gateway the trunk will take away their punks by simply saying: “Boo!”. And it will begin to use it as an instrument of crime. Even in the states, the three most common criminal types of pistols are weapons that were sold domestically and stolen / stolen.
            3. Aleks2048
              Aleks2048 April 23 2018 19: 52
              0
              But do not leave a passport. We take the individual slightly burdened by social responsibility and draw up a trunk for it for a small fee, then we sell it almost by announcement (we will use the trunk for the individual, but we will use it for the individual), and we force the individual to go to the police with a statement about the loss of the trunk.
      2. YELLOWSTONE
        YELLOWSTONE April 17 2018 00: 56
        0
        due to the possibility of constant
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I April 16 2018 15: 10
      +3
      Who about what: lousy about the bath, and "arms lobbyists" - about the "petrinal"! And they don’t drink coffee in the morning, in the absence of a “gunshot” law! fool
  2. andrewkor
    andrewkor April 16 2018 05: 55
    +2
    I remember in childhood, when there was a shortage of Javelot bullets for the air, we charged them with scraps of aluminum wires of the appropriate “caliber.” It was fun to watch them somersaulting in the air after a shot. 10-20 meters was enough for crows.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 April 16 2018 06: 04
      0
      Quote: andrewkor
      we charged them with scraps of aluminum wires of a suitable "caliber"

      And I operated on nails.
    2. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack April 16 2018 06: 26
      +8
      Quote: andrewkor
      with a shortage of Javelot bullets for air

      "Zhavelo", as I recall, not a bullet, in the capsule. And he did chewed.
      Quote: Mordvin 3
      I operated nails

      Damn ... what kind of phenomena in nature are not belay
      Now I will think about the feathered nail ...
      In general, to shoot nails from the air - IMHO barbarism. In relation to air, in the sense of yes
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 April 16 2018 06: 31
        +1
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        In general, to shoot nails from the air - IMHO barbarism. In relation to air, in the sense of

        So not my idea then. In the shed peeped. In a traveling circus, that is. laughing At first he made plumage from the fishing line on the needles, but he took up the nails as the needles ran out. From the balcony he sparred on the sparrows. wink
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack April 16 2018 07: 26
          0
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          From the balcony he sparred

          Ahem ... there were no green ones on you ... or, on an edge, blue ones laughing
        2. Kibb
          Kibb April 16 2018 08: 23
          +3
          Why so? The bullet to the air was a shaft. Although ... the children weren’t selling a denyuzhku for ice cream and soda better to spend wink . It was easier for me - practically through the fence DOSAAF shooting gallery, and there the "evil fuckers" poured us so that we would not climb the fence and dig in the trash ... but we all the same dug, sometimes it came across such interesting things, starting from 22LR and ending with 7,62, well, the shells from the "little things" are understandably always useful in the household ... winked
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 April 16 2018 08: 32
            +1
            Yes, I bought them at a dash on 3 pennies, half shot, the rest home. It was just that the feathered ones were, as it were, reusable, and more powerful, the model ZiL-memberovoz (Seagull) and the Volga 24 pierced through and through, and even Moskvich did not take dash bullets. laughing And I had a noble Ruggio, 53 of the year of release.
            1. Kibb
              Kibb April 16 2018 09: 03
              +3
              We were not allowed to dash in the park without adults, then I got older already (it's about 81 -83 years old, I’m from the 74th) I generally wondered from the PM shot earlier than from the MC. For the first time I was disgraced with the MC - I considered myself cool already, but they gave me the old margolin, also by the way of the 53rd, a simple four-digit number 1150 - from 25 meters everything went into milk. Interestingly, when everyone was given the "East" I did not change my 1150 smile
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 April 16 2018 09: 12
                +3
                Well, I’m 74 of release. Tula region. Sold without adults always and everywhere. We had enough tirov. I had to climb on a stool. laughing And to break the barrel, already puffed with all my might, I remember. wink
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 April 16 2018 08: 45
            +3
            Quote: Kibb
            Although ... they didn’t sell it to children

            Why is that? belay Yes, not a single trip to the cinema was possible without a shooting gallery, and I went to the cinema without my mother’s father from kindergarten.
            1. Kibb
              Kibb April 16 2018 09: 35
              +3
              We do not have, only with adults, there were two shooting galleries for the city (Kherson) in two parks - one still remains. Military dad - either a movie + ice cream, or a shooting gallery + ice cream smile it was easier with mom ... until we burned the sheds in the yard winked
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 April 16 2018 09: 52
                +1
                Quote: Kibb
                there were two in two parks-

                Not enough. I just can’t even calculate how many shooting galleries we had in Novomoskovsk. Almost everyone closed the truth, bastards. It’s a pity, sometimes my hands itch and scratch my childhood, remember to bang bombs and tanks. drinks
                1. Kibb
                  Kibb April 16 2018 10: 20
                  +2
                  But then there was a commercial rampart, we had only one - you go in and ... childhood, and the rides remained either Chechens or Dagestanis keep (I rarely go home now) Carousel "Daisy" with propellers - beauty, roaring like a corncob (younger daughter afraid of her, and I'm already afraid)
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 April 16 2018 10: 34
                    +1
                    Almost all the shooting ranges in 90 were closed for some reason, only one of the 4 cinemas remained, well, at least the railway was preserved for the children, and the parks were slowly taken up. It is full of attractions of all new. Okay, let's stop flooding, or else they’ll ban us again. wassat And the aluminum bullet is bullshit, in my opinion. Far not fly away.
                    1. Kibb
                      Kibb April 16 2018 10: 50
                      +3
                      Well, Ukraine is not very different from Russia. In small cities everywhere it is, and in the USA and in Europe and Asia
            2. Kibb
              Kibb April 16 2018 09: 58
              +3
              The wife suggested that they (Ochakov) were sold freely both in military and in the shooting gallery hi
              1. beeper
                beeper April 16 2018 14: 05
                +4
                On vacation in Ochakovo (such as there, tasting smoked bream, I have never seen yes ) my son first shot at a dash of pneumatics smile !
                hi
                1. Kibb
                  Kibb April 16 2018 20: 38
                  +1
                  Then the fairway was poisoned by something and the Ochakov bream ended, and yes, yes, there were no such greasy not on the Dnieper, not on the estuary, but zander on the Berezanka .... now there is only a goby and a bastard, but also fat. smile
        3. Dedall
          Dedall April 16 2018 20: 19
          +4
          Respected Mordvin 3, I can also recommend a well-sharpened nail 10 cm with a cardboard circle fully inserted. In one colony, a guard dog was killed with such meters for 15 "convicts". And somehow the "side-man" sharpened the other with an imprisoned Soviet nickel - threw it like a shuriken.
          And on the question of lead bullets, I clearly wrote at one time that when it gets into any object, it is deformed. And suitable for identification bullets are obtained only when shooting at a ballistic target. This is a pipe similar to a drawing tube with silicone filler.
      2. Vladimir 5
        Vladimir 5 April 16 2018 11: 37
        +1
        You do not understand the meaning of "nail with plumage." There were industrial reusable bullets, where a fluffy tail of bristle, playing the role of a wad, was pressed into a sub-caliber steel core. He shot with these, accuracy depended on the state of plumage. Children shoot at random, because the shortage of bullets was constant. The best (in the USSR) bullet-glasses were “Diabolo”, they were supplied to athletes, the rest were ordinary “caps” ...
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 April 16 2018 13: 22
          0
          Quote: Vladimir 5
          bullets - glasses were "Diabolo",

          Yeah, as I was lucky enough to get it with a triple head, I don’t know where their military instructor dug up. I have never seen such people again.
          1. garri-lin
            garri-lin April 16 2018 20: 12
            +1
            Insert into the trunk of the "cap" then push it deeper with a nail. And then the "diablo". Accuracy and slaughter are many times higher. Especially if before that the senior comrades dismantled the “tire” and hung a weight on the spring for the night.
            In shooting galleries for such a sandwich of bullets washed the neck. For the sound was very different.
        2. beeper
          beeper April 16 2018 14: 19
          +1
          GDR's "Diabolo" we also drove through our calibrator for our rifle athletes smile
      3. andrewkor
        andrewkor April 16 2018 19: 40
        0
        Of course the Diablo bullets, not the Chewable Capsule, messed up, sorry.
    3. dokusib
      dokusib April 16 2018 11: 42
      0
      Not Javelot but "Duobolo"
    4. philosopher
      philosopher April 16 2018 13: 19
      0
      Raven Maybe pigeons? A crow is another terminator, in profile in a folded wing it is sometimes difficult to knock it out of small things from the first shot (from 100 m if). A raven once shot from powerful pneumatics (local hunting farms just moaned from them). At a standard speed of 0,5 g of a Diablo type bullet of 220-230 m / s at 50 meters, it was possible to pick up a crow from the first shot only in the chest full-face or in the head. A crow, like a rat, is very strong on a wound and even a mortally wounded one can fly quite far.
      If there are no bullets for pneumatics, it is better to use rolled wire No. 00 instead of wire cutters. It is clearly suited for caliber and weight.
  3. Curious
    Curious April 16 2018 08: 07
    +5
    “Any aluminum product is quickly coated with a thin layer of oxide. This compound is known as corundum. Al2O3 The pool will be 1-3 microns thick. Not critical at all. But it will!”
    The natural oxide film on the surface of aluminum is not corundum.
    1. zulusuluz
      zulusuluz April 16 2018 09: 34
      +2
      The chemical composition is just the same corundum. A rather thick oxide film obtained by precipitation (chemical or electrochemical method) is also very hard. In any case - the file "does not take" - slides over the surface until you break the film somewhere.
      1. Curious
        Curious April 16 2018 12: 44
        +5
        In order for aluminum oxide to become corundum, it must undergo the corresponding phase changes and acquire the corresponding crystalline structure.
        The natural oxide film formed in the air on the surface of aluminum is practically not destroyed in the atmosphere, water and in oxidizing environments. However, the film thickness is very small (0 01 - 0 1 micron) and it can be easily mechanically damaged.
        There are many different reports regarding the structure of this film, which is formed at low temperature using air, but in most cases it is recognized as amorphous, and its external surface is aluminum hydroxide.
        And only at temperatures above 450ºC does crystalline Al2O3 form - i.e. corundum.
        Therefore, aluminum and especially its alloys are usually subjected to artificial oxidation, creating a film of greater thickness. Oxidation can be carried out chemically and electrochemically. Mostly they use the electrochemical method of anodic oxidation, in which the coating is obtained in better quality. This film will be strong.
        Graphite and diamond are also the same in chemical composition - carbon.
        Only the properties are different.
        You are sorry, but you are obviously the same specialist in chemistry, physics and technology as the authors of the article.
        1. zulusuluz
          zulusuluz April 16 2018 14: 34
          +1
          Maybe I'm not as knowledgeable as you are, but at least once have you seen an aluminum product coated with a gray, sometimes rough, film? Have you tried to clean aluminum from such a “film” formed from natural influences?
          Under adverse storage conditions, products made of aluminum can be coated with a very durable oxide layer. And here the author of the article is right. Because conditions in real life are very far from laboratory.
          1. Curious
            Curious April 16 2018 18: 01
            0
            Your comment reminded me of a joke from long-standing army everyday life about the ensign.
            This is a Kalashnikov assault rifle. It is in length from fly to
            the butt 56 centimeters, and from the butt to the front sight 73 centimeters.
            “That can't be!”
            - I explain with an example from life: From Wednesday to Friday how much
            days? And from Friday to Wednesday!
  4. tchoni
    tchoni April 16 2018 08: 20
    +3
    Dear Sirs, The Authors. Do not write on the theme of weapons. Not yours, not yours.
  5. Simargl
    Simargl April 16 2018 08: 32
    +6
    Indeed, the energy of a light bullet will be higher than heavy.
    No! The energy will be the same! And the momentum will decrease.
    And if the street is such a rare occurrence as the wind?
    But nothing: taking into account the effective range and speed, even with a hurricane wind, the displacement will be insignificant.
    Any aluminum product is quickly coated with a thin layer of oxide. This compound is known as corundum. Al2O3 On the pool, the layer will be 1-3 microns.
    Not everything is so scary: in order to turn into a terrible abrasive, lumine oxide also needs to crystallize! You can make a "shawarma" - a half-shell bullet ... more precisely, it’s necessary, because aluminum will clog rifles, as will lead.
    What is corundum? One of the best abrasives to date. No worse than diamond chips, but cheaper by an order of magnitude.
    Corundum, it is, of course, according to Mohs (scale scratching) 9, and diamond - 10, but here in hardness 150 times approximately different.
    Well, for those who really want to know more about such bullets, I’ll talk about a great replacement for aluminum.
    Did not guess! Aluminum bullets were designed for premiseswhere the rebound and spark are dangerous. They will not ricochet or sparkle. Generally.
    If we talk about light high-speed bullets - this is the French THV, for example - a kind of glass (the French) ... from brass or bronze ...
  6. AID.S
    AID.S April 16 2018 08: 55
    +6
    Surprisingly, but somehow unnoticed, conversations about aluminum bullets have already been registered and are being conducted at military forums.

    Nightmare! Keep observing.
    1. crambol
      crambol April 16 2018 11: 01
      +2
      Thinking chatter sitting on the couch is a very nice thing. It would be much more interesting if the test results were presented.
  7. shinobi
    shinobi April 16 2018 09: 26
    +2
    This is a perversion, an aluminum bullet. And if my memory serves me right, our gunsmiths got sick with this topic before the war and calmed down. Not for nothing that all the standards go around the 7,62 caliber in one way or another. It also did not arise right away. The best world rifled samples are made under 7,62 , XNUMX.
  8. dokusib
    dokusib April 16 2018 10: 19
    +5
    "A faster bullet has a greater stopping effect." Immediately deuce for knowledge. Further reading makes no sense lol
    1. NIKNN
      NIKNN April 16 2018 13: 10
      +6
      Quote: dokusib
      A faster bullet has a greater stopping effect than a heavy lead bullet.

      In general, this article was written by a d-lee much lower than the “round d-lee” ... Besides a smile, it didn’t cause anything ... love
      1. Wilderness
        Wilderness April 16 2018 15: 37
        +4
        Also did not understand this moment. I know about the dependence of speed and penetration, but the stopping effect .... But men don’t know, they take bullets on a large beast. I must tell them that a cartridge with a birch knot instead of a bullet plastes a boar immediately for a tenderloin, skin and hooves.
  9. alex-cn
    alex-cn April 16 2018 10: 22
    +1
    In my opinion, an aluminum bullet has a “right to life” but in a very narrow niche. A gun and possibly a machine gun for police operations in the city. Given that most “police” fire contacts occur at 5-11 meters, then a loss of speed of 40 is already useful for the safety of others, and high deformability will provide a high stopping effect, which is also useful. Well, as for corundum, it’s not even funny ... how many police shoot there ... and no one bothers to copper or in any other way anodize the surface of the bullet. Other advantages of an aluminum panel are already mentioned.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 April 16 2018 10: 56
      +1
      Quote: alex-cn
      and high deformability will provide a high stopping effect, which is also useful.

      And I remind you that it is for this reason that shell-free lead bullets are recognized as inhumane, and are prohibited by the Geneva convection in the 19 century. hi
      1. alex-cn
        alex-cn April 16 2018 12: 53
        +6
        Firstly, this is not prohibited by the police in any conventions; secondly, there is nothing about purely lead bullets; bullets are identified there that have special devices to enhance deformation. When this convention was adopted, half of the army revolvers still had a pure lead bullet.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 April 16 2018 12: 55
          +1
          Quote: alex-cn
          Firstly, the police are not prohibited by any conventions.

          I admit my mistake, something blurted out. hi
          1. alex-cn
            alex-cn April 16 2018 13: 36
            +1
            none of us is safe from mistakes.
        2. Kibb
          Kibb April 17 2018 08: 47
          0
          You are right, but there are structures such as the MAGAV and Yamam, which seem to be neither the police nor the army, from the use of half-shell bullets there will be more than a lot of stench even in the kneset.
      2. Kibb
        Kibb April 16 2018 13: 06
        +1
        The problem is that an ordinary pistol does not always stop the “barmaleya”, and the half-shells are not recognized as humane, according to the same convention, but the machine guns ricochet, and how to stop the “barmaleya”?
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack April 16 2018 13: 09
          +1
          Quote: Kibb
          how to stop "barmaleya"?

          More bullets, good and different (s) laughing
          1. Kibb
            Kibb April 16 2018 13: 48
            +1
            Three 9x19 standard in the back, and it still waved a knife - the army team finished in Bosko. Heroin
            1. Citizen 90
              Citizen 90 April 16 2018 14: 52
              +1
              Sometimes it seems that it is precisely for such situations that the "assault revolver" was developed. For I have no other meaning - except to stop the dickheads - in a pistol of SUCH caliber
              1. RaptorF22
                RaptorF22 April 16 2018 16: 13
                +1
                But it’s not easier to use a shotgun, a short pump or a double-barreled shotgun in a wad container, to stop Narik from cheering winked
                1. Kibb
                  Kibb April 17 2018 08: 27
                  0
                  It’s easier, but you have to drag it along with you. If group (call boys smile ) then yes, and if in civilian terms, then even the rather heavy Cz75b is still preferable, and the glock is generally good to wear, although I don’t like it very much - they say 40k is not bad as a stopper, but we don’t have such glocks
              2. Kibb
                Kibb April 17 2018 08: 33
                0
                45 stops, it’s actually created for this
            2. YELLOWSTONE
              YELLOWSTONE April 17 2018 01: 00
              0
              Is this all in self-defense?
              But where are your special equipment, running rank, judo and karate?
              1. Kibb
                Kibb April 17 2018 09: 36
                0
                It does not stop the “barmaley” under the gerchik much, and not self-defense is discussed. Enough for self-defense and the Wasp, and for the protection of the house of the 16th caliber.
                1. YELLOWSTONE
                  YELLOWSTONE April 17 2018 09: 48
                  0
                  it’s “physics”, tactics and tracing, not a pain threshold
                  already under discussion
                  1. Kibb
                    Kibb April 17 2018 09: 59
                    +1
                    The pain threshold in both 5.6 and 5,45 is not bad, they just ricochet - you can’t shoot from the AK74SU and the shortest M4 in the city, if there were civilians nearby, or maybe you’ve flown to yourself.
                    1. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE April 17 2018 10: 08
                      0
                      why were the bullets in the back? and how did it happen that he was then finished off in the head?
                      1. Kibb
                        Kibb April 17 2018 10: 41
                        0
                        Because he shot marcasite in Jerusalem on tahana, you want to shoot at the kam come, then the mahavans finished off, but he managed to
                    2. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE April 17 2018 11: 08
                      0
                      and then he probably ran out of ammunition, so they decided not to take prisoner and staged lynching because there were no handcuffs
                      1. Kibb
                        Kibb April 17 2018 11: 27
                        0
                        He didn’t have any rounds, he had a kitchen knife and the heroin — the girl died, the ambulance didn’t have time, although there about two or three kilometers, the gunner was tried, but acquitted, but the army man was put in a similar situation.
                    3. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE April 17 2018 12: 52
                      0
                      that is, at first in the back and then in the head I didn’t shoot myself
                      and the one who finished off - did not put
                      1. Kibb
                        Kibb April 17 2018 15: 50
                        0
                        Are you real in Canada?
                    4. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE April 17 2018 20: 40
                      0
                      in Canada for such a
                      1. Kibb
                        Kibb April 17 2018 21: 40
                        0
                        So they planted
                    5. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE April 17 2018 23: 43
                      0
                      “army men” in this case was written in the plural
                      1. Kibb
                        Kibb April 18 2018 08: 29
                        0
                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efKRY2L3EQo
                        He sits, although everything is easier there - he did not follow a direct order.
                2. YELLOWSTONE
                  YELLOWSTONE April 17 2018 09: 59
                  0
                  and to 16mu feces probably should be attached no more than 2 triggers?
                  1. Kibb
                    Kibb April 17 2018 10: 13
                    0
                    I don’t quite understand, Saiga, for example, has a bunch of others - a bullet without problems, naturally the 4th one, for example, TOZ123 will stop even an elephant, but I just can’t imagine a shot from this fool from my hands and they don’t make ammo for them.
        2. Horse, people and soul
          Horse, people and soul 10 September 2018 11: 55
          0
          Everything has long been invented. A light high-speed bullet that flips backward almost immediately (4 inches or 10 cm) after breaking through.

  10. philosopher
    philosopher April 16 2018 13: 24
    0
    Quote: Simargl
    No! The energy will be the same! And the momentum will decrease.

    Two in physics, carry a diary. laughing
  11. zenion
    zenion April 16 2018 14: 11
    +3
    In order that luminium does not spoil the barrel, a bullet from above will be covered with frozen plasticine with a nanocoating of rubber. And the barrel will be made of cast iron coated with porcelain inside.
    1. alex-cn
      alex-cn April 16 2018 14: 55
      +1
      under such a comment you need either the signature "from Ensign N" or a smiley face, because there are people who want to inflate the light ... winked
      1. YELLOWSTONE
        YELLOWSTONE April 17 2018 01: 03
        0
        better immediately cast from ... well, it’s clear from what
        1. zenion
          zenion April 19 2018 17: 23
          0
          This, of course, is what you need, but pigs eat such cartridges. Catch up, pluck, eat.
          1. YELLOWSTONE
            YELLOWSTONE April 19 2018 18: 32
            0
            quite a pig where this world is heading
  12. beeper
    beeper April 16 2018 14: 28
    +1
    Interesting thoughts arose, came up with while reading Articles and Comments, Thank you all! good
    hi
  13. Knizhnik
    Knizhnik April 16 2018 15: 21
    +1
    There were such cartridges 7,92 * 40 CETME, a long bullet with an aluminum core, refused in favor of 7,62 * 51
  14. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I April 16 2018 15: 36
    +2
    Oh, the designer .... oh, the "dreamers"! Everything he likes recourse It’s as if the little children that stick in their mouths “shaw see”! So these ... what kind of bullets they didn’t come up with, right down to silver and gold, but they don’t have enough! request Luminous give them now! There were already luminous, current with wooden cores ... in the end did not like it! And since wood was mentioned, then there were wooden bullets .... both for "rifle" grenade launchers, and as training (from the hardest types of wood) .... And also ... hard rubber, ceramic, plastic (rather
    e, composite) and titanium .... It remains only to make bullets from the cavern .... and what? Thais out there are making frames for a photo from an elephant ..... And a person can be deprived of life by a paper wad ... am
  15. Sasha75
    Sasha75 April 16 2018 19: 17
    +2
    What kind of mentally retarded articles they write to you, they’ll pick up whitewash in the garbage dump. In the USSR, there were aluminum bullets for PM; it was no secret that they were used by the KGB officers who accompanied the flights to withstand the hijacking of aircraft abroad; they were also used to transport explosive forces detained by flights. So in the USSR there was a long history of their use of understanding what it is and that it does not break through the skin of a person’s plane; it will stop at a stop which distances everyone knows on the plane)))) they will suck the problem out of the finger and relish it.
    1. Curious
      Curious April 16 2018 20: 05
      +3
      I agree with the first part of the comment. On the second there are clarifications.
      Cartridge 9x18 PBM, the bullet is half-shell, with a bare steel core (the core is made of carbon steel with a hardness of more than 60 HRC units, has a mass of 1,8 grams, length –14 and diameter –5 mm) and with an aluminum jacket that encloses the core from the side sides, pierces the model 6B5-12 general-purpose protective vest at a distance of 30 meters with a probability of 100%, and a 5-mm steel sheet at a distance of 15 meters with a probability of 80%.
      And that cartridge that you are talking about is called the GUN CARTRIDGE WITH A SMALL PUNCHING ABILITY “SP-8”. Developed in the mid-80s at TsNIItochmash by order of the KGB of the USSR.

      The bullet consists of a bimetallic shell in the form of a cup with a flat bottom and an animated head, a plastic core in the head and a lead in the tail of the bullet.
      The shell material is tompac, the core material is lead with an admixture of antimony.
      There is no aluminum in the design of these cartridges.
      1. VictorZhivilov
        VictorZhivilov April 16 2018 23: 00
        +1
        Thanks, clarification and clarification. smile
  16. AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich April 16 2018 23: 21
    0
    Zhuk remembered something, with his encyclopedia ... He had, about a Shobo pistol, like a Swedish one, and his cartridge, a large caliber with an aluminum bullet and a wooden core ...
    1. Curious
      Curious April 17 2018 00: 21
      +1
      The cartridges for the 11,35 mm caliber Shouboe pistol (.45 Schouboe, 11.35x17 mm) were equipped with a light bullet consisting of a copper-nickel shirt, a wooden core and an aluminum bottom sleeve.
      So to call an aluminum bullet would be wrong.
      The gun, by the way, is Danish.
  17. Kibb
    Kibb April 17 2018 21: 07
    0
    Quote: morved
    Which way is it?

    I don’t know, ask the president and ministers. Wasp is legal in Russia, there isn’t in Ukraine
  18. cherrybuster
    cherrybuster April 18 2018 22: 00
    +1
    “But if you look at the development trends of weapons for the police and special services, you can see an even simpler solution. The solution that designers have come to a long time ago. The calibres of pistols and revolvers for special services began to increase.”
    Authors are stuck in the 80s. The FBI began to move from .40 to 9mm 10 years ago.

    "stopping action of a bullet"
    It's not a caliber, it's a shot placement
    1. Horse, people and soul
      Horse, people and soul 10 September 2018 11: 41
      0
      After the caliber began to increase, the local police departments saw that the police could not get where they needed it.

      So today, when I write this, the police departments and the FBI are switching back to 9x19.
      Cheaper and more efficient. Anyway, shoot twice.

      hi
  19. ser6119
    ser6119 April 19 2018 01: 32
    +2
    Aluminum is a very soft metal, when passing through the bore, the trunk will be covered with a thin layer of aluminum. It’s like with lead bullets (shot) - bleeding the bore
  20. M. Michelson
    M. Michelson April 19 2018 01: 55
    0
    Here, of course, some distortion when considering the situation with the police. And if the criminal ... ("And if he was carrying cartridges?") And if the criminal is with a gun? So the patrol officers should go with them too? (Recently, they really went, which is very bad.) But what about a grenade? So the police also need to arm themselves with grenades?
    The answer here is simple. The regular police (such as patrol) should arm themselves on the principle of reasonable sufficiency: against aggressive hooligans or small bandits. Special forces should work against serious criminals. (For this, by the way, the National Guard was created: so that there wouldn’t be more powerful weapons left in the Ministry of Internal Affairs than pistols. Well, triggered by alarm NG can be armed even with machine guns.)
  21. morved
    morved April 22 2018 23: 52
    0
    Conserp,
    Do you know a joke about cucumbers? Well, where cucumbers cause breast cancer because 100% of those who eat them ate. It’s just stupid to compare LA and any town in Wyoming by crime rate, regardless of what kind of legislation there is regarding weapons.
  22. morved
    morved April 24 2018 20: 17
    0
    Conserp,
    It is clear that in megacities crime will be higher than the provinces. Here is a list of states with the highest crime rate.
    Louisiana;
    Nevada;
    California;
    Florida;
    Tennessee
    Alabama;
    Texas;
    Arkansas
    South Carolina;
    Maryland.
    At the same time, the level of crime does not depend on what policy the authorities have in relation to firearms. The decisive factor is the geographical location, as well as how actively the prevention and suppression of crimes is being conducted. For example, Detroit police are almost completely disbanded due to lack of funds, which negatively affects the criminal situation.
  23. Horse, people and soul
    Horse, people and soul 10 September 2018 11: 35
    +1
    Barnaul makes bullets in a steel, lightly plated tompakom shirt.

    When you shoot from Glock with Barnaul, a sheaf of sparks flies out of the barrel and this is with Glokovsky's hexanonal rifling. On traditional rifling - more sparks. Does the trunk wear out? Well, in general, yes, with different weapons - in different ways, but wears out.

    To make the barrel less wear out and for extra speed the bullets cover it with something like Teflon. An example is the high-speed and lightweight self-defense bullet of the Fiocchi Black Mamba cartridge, where the shell is made of soft tombac covered with black teflon.

  24. Horse, people and soul
    Horse, people and soul 10 September 2018 12: 02
    0
    Kibb,

    Your video ...