Ukraine sells Soviet development. For pennies

Ukraine began to sell Soviet-era military developments. According to the Chinese portal sina.com, the country chose the path of abandoning its own production and offers everything it can for sale.

Until recently, Ukraine was one of the leaders in the ranking of countries of the world in terms of military arsenal. Today she has to buy ammunition herself abroad. And the remaining Soviet-style technological developments intend to sell to America. Moreover, the United States has shown great interest in the production of Russian small arms weapons. But in order to get a decent sample, American enterprises just need technology.

According to experts, the Soviet developments, which Ukraine sells, are still used in Russia. And this is regarded as the transfer of US technology for the production of Russian weapons.

Especially outraged by the fact that the price is set at the level of waste paper. And the data: the cost of materials for KM-7,62 - Ukrainian modernized version of the Soviet machine gun PKM, which includes comments, assembly drawings, specifications, parts, graphics and 3D model, is only 267 thousands of dollars, reports WG-Force

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[wicked pinnochio]

Khokhlov had to sell brains on the cheap

[210ox]

The brains themselves went away ... And without a sale ..

Quote: wicked pinnochio

Khokhlov had to sell brains on the cheap

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Here the USSR pumped Ukraine into everyone .. Already more than 25 years have passed, but they can’t sell everything ..!
But what a hatred and envy of us. Russian! .. USA and Israel only rub their hands (China is also quiet))) Such powerful enterprises were all Kuchma, Yushchenko, Valtsman down the drain.!
Or maybe it's for the best, they wanted to be farmers and let it be! But Kiev will be OUR!

[garnik]

And who asks the Ukrainians, you yourself know who runs the one who rubs his hands and trains their army for fratricidal war.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: garnik

who asks Ukrainians

You still do not recall how this Maidan event is called in the recent history of the neighbor? What doesn't fit

[garnik]

You still do not recall how this Maidan event is called in the recent history of the neighbor? What doesn't fit

Whatever the name of the Maidan, the idea must be thrown and then sponsored the event. And whoever did this, got their way. It's not normal when a Russian kills a Russian, and the instigator throws logs. And Ukrainians in genetics are even closer to Russians than Belarusians. And they are all from Kievan Rus.
It is necessary to regularly conduct their activities, affecting the origins of the three Slavic peoples, when they were one.
I think everyone is so clear.

[Pete mitchell]

You are absolutely right, this is the realization of the dreams of Dulles and Brzezinski: they are probably rubbing their hands in hell with delight.
And the fact that this "walk the field" is called the "revolution of dignity" - offends the very essence of the dignity of man, the state ...

[The_X_Factor]

What do you call all gunpowder a rollman, as sectarians? Why repeat this nonsense?

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: The_X_Factor

What do you call all gunpowder a rollman, as sectarians? Why repeat this nonsense?

This is what we need to focus on (we can’t stop their mouths already) ..! What is happening in Ukraine is their handiwork ..
Now they are bombing Syria, do you think that Trump gave the order ..? Hehe all the same characters

[The_X_Factor]

I really hope that for your anti-Semitism you’ll just someday go under the article.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: The_X_Factor

I really hope that for your anti-Semitism you’ll just someday go under the article.

Yes, I know all this .... I already have nothing to lose! I am not the first and I am not the last ..
People like me do not live long .. Russia is sorry!
As Dostoevsky wrote, "Jews will destroy Russia .." All the curtain men ..

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Angry Pinnochio

Khokhlov had to sell brains on the cheap

“In order to sell something unnecessary, you must first buy something unnecessary, but we have no money” (cat Matroskin)

[Kars]

I did not understand that they sold that? PC secret? Or upgrade option? And then what is so bad about it?

[vorobey]

Quote: Kars

I did not understand that they sold that? PC secret? Or upgrade option? And then what is so bad about it?

Ukrainian modernized PC ... THIS IS AS AN EXAMPLE ONLY .. Hello Andrey ..

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: Kars

I did not understand that they sold that? PC secret? Or upgrade option? And then what is so bad about it?

Hello city Aleksandrovsk.
Indeed, there is nothing bad in it, probably Moscow propaganda:

According to the Chinese portal sina.com, the country chose the path of abandoning its own production and offers everything it can for sale.

Everyone in this article saw what he wanted to see. Much can be seen only from the side.

[Kars]

And there are guarantees that if you invest in your own production, which was not originally, will buyers in the modern weapons market?

[dzvero]

The weapons business for profitability immediately after drugs, prostitutes and sand / gravel. There will always be buyers. A sale at bargain prices of full technical documentation - no words. And who will buy them? Of course, they will get a couple of milleins, but that's all. Such things are bought once, and the same RMB could be produced and sold for decades. It will be especially interesting if the arms companies buy everything, but in one instance you can get a choke on and then copy among themselves

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: dzvero

The weapons business for profitability immediately after drugs, prostitutes and sand / gravel. There will always be buyers. A sale at bargain prices of full technical documentation - no words. And who will buy them? Of course, they will get a couple of milleins, but that's all. Such things are bought once, and the same RMB could be produced and sold for decades. It will be especially interesting if the arms companies buy everything, but in one instance you can get a choke on and then copy among themselves

What are you? This is when competitors buy a credential and then together, sitting behind a bottle of whiskey, consider the extracted drawings? Everything is done secretly (commercial secret), and the results are stored in archives and locked in safes. Ukrainians can sell all this a thousandfold. To different customers, of course. The main thing is not to omit the clause prohibiting doing so in the contract of sale.

[vorobey]

not ashamed to be poor, ashamed to be cheap ... (not mine)

[SmokeR 47RU]

The creatures are over ... or slut sub-fence.

[210ox]

The main export product probably collapsed in price altogether .... Well, these same ones ... you get the idea. It’s necessary to climb out from under the baseboard.

Quote: SmokeR 47RU

The creatures are over ... or slut sub-fence.

[wicked pinnochio]

tell me, and then does anyone have the title of Marshal, has anyone seen?

[210ox]

Yes. And why are you interested in this?

Quote: wicked pinnochio

tell me, and then does anyone have the title of Marshal, has anyone seen?

[Avis-bis]

Quote: urz

as far as I know, in Ukraine there has never been a production of small arms, including light machine guns

... Produced, including light machine guns.

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/НПО_«Форт»
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Маяк_(завод,_Киев)
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Научный_центр_точно
machine-building

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: urz

It sometimes seems to me that journalists of the VO site, in their desire to throw dirt at the Ukrainians, place unverified Old info here - as far as I know, Ukraine has never had a production of small arms, including light machine guns. Where did the Ukrainians sell cheap for Americans cheap Are they technology? In addition, AK production is not such a unique technology.

Well, you’re straight ... Remember Antonov’s such an enterprise? Where is it now ..

And shipyards in Ukraine ..?

Straight heart pinned recalling all this and the jumps of Bandera .. They avenged us the beast!
In general, Arman, this is not for you .. You are an obvious Troll liberal liberal hehe

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: MIKHAN

Well, you’re straight ... Remember Antonov’s such an enterprise? Where is it now ..

Where, where ... It was necessary to transfer production to VologdaU or KaragandaU in time, then it would be possible to answer normally. And so ...

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: MIKHAN

Quote: urz

It sometimes seems to me that journalists of the VO site, in their desire to throw dirt at the Ukrainians, place unverified Old info here - as far as I know, Ukraine has never had a production of small arms, including light machine guns. Where did the Ukrainians sell cheap for Americans cheap Are they technology? In addition, AK production is not such a unique technology.

Well, you’re straight ... Remember Antonov’s such an enterprise? Where is it now ..

And shipyards in Ukraine ..?

Straight heart pinned recalling all this and the jumps of Bandera .. They avenged us the beast!
In general, Arman, this is not for you .. You are an obvious Troll liberal liberal hehe

https://112.ua/statji/kitay-hochet-mriyu-kak-prod
avali-gordost-ukrainskogo-aviastroeniya-335584.ht
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The whole day, Ukrainians were either selling or not selling their Mriya. And the whole alarm arose after the message of the Chinese channel, which the press service of Antonov could not refute for half a day. However, are the Chinese’s claims to the unique technology of the Ukrainian super-plane so groundless?

In Ukraine, scandal and considerable commotion. The Chinese state-owned news channel CCTV News said that Ukraine has sold China its national pride and heritage - the An-225 Mriya plane. Since the press service of Antonov State Enterprise, in the best traditions of the work of the press services of state corporations, pondered all day to write to her, the news went around the world - both Ukrainian and Russian and even Western media wrote about the sale. 112.ua understood what Ukraine sold to the Chinese and whether it sold at all.

[cariperpaint]

and read carefully? materials on KM-7,62 - the Ukrainian modernized version of the Soviet PKM machine gun, including comments, assembly drawings, specifications, parts, graphics and a 3D model

[cariperpaint]

and more importantly, infa from a Chinese source. you write to them all your complaints)))

[Curious]

Immediately the main thing to feed hamsters on time. And given that they have bred a lot of this good, they need to pour grub, respectively. That knocks everything in a row. All the same, they think not with their heads, but with the TV. The link to the Chinese Internet resource, which serves as contacts for Chinese diasporas around the world, looks particularly authoritative. Very authoritative publication.
And the fact that in Ukraine there was never PC production technology, and the Americans could redraw it a long time ago, since it was sold in almost forty countries - these are for most local field marshals very difficult categories. Excessive, one might say.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Curious

since it was sold in almost forty countries - these are for most local field marshals very difficult categories.

40 countries is cool! And which one would you personally prefer: Izhevsk, Chinese, Romanian, Bulgarian or some other nito? They are all equally drawn. Not?

[Curious]

Production of PCM copies (with or without a license) has been launched in Bulgaria, China, Iran, and the republics of the former Yugoslavia. No one complains. It does not have any unique technical solutions or materials that cannot be repeated. There are no details, the manufacture of which requires unique technologies. Therefore, you can repeat it in the USA if you wish without problems. The only problem is that nobody needs it there.
The Ukrainian rework KM-7.62 is a PKM taken from the warehouse, released in Kovrov, which removed the fin of the machine gun barrel, changed the design of the flame arrester, made the reload handle and butt plate a little more convenient, altered the trigger guard, increased the rigidity of the receiver cover with longitudinal ribs.
By the way, the Turks ordered about 2000. Therefore, there is no PC production in Ukraine as such. Therefore, only the field marshal from the "News" section can believe in the above news.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: urz

In addition, AK production is not such a unique technology.

Maybe. However, the u-tube is full of stories, where the AK bottling pieces fall off during the shooting from the bolt mechanism. And here, the Ukrainians for nothing offer "assembly drawings, specifications, parts, graphs and comments." These are almost “native” technologies!

[Setrac]

Quote: urz

In addition, AK production is not such a unique technology.

The product itself (the same Kalashnikov assault rifles) may not be unique, but production methods are almost always exclusive.

[helmi8]

Quote: urz

In addition, AK production is not such a unique technology.

C'mon ... Just in technology everything lies. It is no coincidence that all the "Kalash" that are licensed in other countries and are not suitable for our soles.

[Radical]

Quote: wicked pinnochio

tell me, and then does anyone have the title of Marshal, has anyone seen?

Full, and some sometimes carry such nonsense that I want to demolish them!

[ivan0vitch]

"but in order to get a decent example, American companies just need technology," oh, I can’t
In a country with a huge arms market, where Citizens pay a dollar for quality and characteristics - what is the best incentive to raise this quality and characteristics, suddenly “Soviet technologies” of PCM are needed?

[Proton]

How lice swarming, looking for what else, what kind of wool to eat not his

[Yak28]

We sold the Soviet developments back in the 90s, which Ukraine can offer after more than 20 years. Soon they will begin to sell NATO weapons, they will not wait for American help

[Dzafdet]

Quote: ivan0vitch

"but in order to get a decent example, American companies just need technology," oh, I can’t
In a country with a huge arms market, where Citizens pay a dollar for quality and characteristics - what is the best incentive to raise this quality and characteristics, suddenly “Soviet technologies” of PCM are needed?

We need, we need .. They make Kalash at home, by the way, and nothing, everyone is happy ..

[Clone]

Quote: Curious

and the Americans could redraw it a long time ago, since it was sold in almost forty countries — these are for most local field marshals very difficult categories.

You can redraw and copy it ... nevertheless, when the choice arises between a machine gun, a machine gun made in the USSR, or clones from China, Romania, Bulgaria ... or the same USA ... a reasonable fighter will pick up a domestic product . Bo, first of all, production technology, not external resemblance!

[Curious]

As I understand it, you are a reasonable, experienced fighter who has tried a lot of weapons from different countries.

[K-50]

“Temporary workers" feel the end of the regime and are in a hurry to snatch at least something else in the end. The end of ukrokhunta is near.

[82т11]

It is interesting if they have already reached the machine guns, it turns out everything else has already been bought up and now the last crumbs are getting (

[Clone]

Quote: ivan0vitch

what if the “Soviet technologies” of PCM suddenly became necessary?

Yeah. It turned out to be needed ...
"...The command of the special operations forces, to which various US sabotage units are subordinated, put forward the idea: why do not we ourselves engage in the manufacture of Russian weapons instead of buying them? For this reason, the US Special Operations Command invited American companies to prepare a plan for the production of Russian and other foreign weapons...."
https://inosmi.ru/military/20171205/240929750.htm
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And also ...
«We want it like the Russians ": how the US will copy the weapons of the USSR Reported by Rambler.
https://news.rambler.ru/army/39563529/?utm_conten
t = rnews & utm_medium = read_more & utm_source = c
opylink
Someone, obviously, was upset that the Americans did not want "like the Ukrainians." Not?

[1536]

Russia is the legal successor of the USSR. All patented inventions, copyright certificates, scientific and technological achievements belong to her rightfully. Ukraine is stealing them insolently. This theft must be put to an end!

[nathanael]

Late rush. All that can be bought China. Cheaper. If you think that the PLA’s breakthrough in equipping with the latest weapons is a matter of their mind, you are deeply mistaken. One is comforting, they cannot even be copied. At the tank biathlon, the rollers fall off

[Antares]

Quote: 1536

Russia is the legal successor of the USSR.

common misconception, re-read what the legal succession of the Russian Federation extends to,
Patent law too.
By the way, China's theft also put an end ...

[1536]

And patent law too. You are simply not in the subject.

[Machete]

Did anyone doubt it?

[engineer74]

Um ... First, they sold without technology, as I understand it (the fact that I don’t need mattresses in figs, I understand). Secondly, for the 267.000 dead presidents, you can build 3D Death Stars, along with Darth Vader. Thirdly, for the money you can reengineer something more interesting than an antique machine gun to do. With all material research, measurements on coordinate measuring machines, etc.
Those. someone deceived someone or gave out wishful thinking, which happens in 404, to put it mildly.
IMHO.

[Ferdinant]

they are corrupt.

[Hurricane70]

Yes and figs with them ...
Today is the next anniversary of the feat of the Cossacks. 8 hours they stood under the blows of Ukrainian nationalists. They were pelted with eggs and stones. They did not give up. And they sang, "Get up, the country is huge." A deep bow to you guys!

[Panikovsky]

All betrayals of Ukraine must be taken into account and counted. Probably this state will decay and die, but Russia will not inherit their debts.

[beeper]

In Soviet times, at every machine-building plant (not to mention the defense industry plants), including Ukraine, a mobilization reserve for technical documentation, materials and production capacities was provided for in advance in accordance with tasks assigned for the production of military products distributed across the mobplane threatened and war periods.
The Ukrainian “red directors” of the companions were tearing up mob stocks of materials, selling them cheaply and stolen in favor of their “Shevchenko’s Khatynyks” (this is one of the “Bialowieza” people who were sitting around “bashfully” called his “independent” villa either on the Cote d'Azur, or in Switzerland, not the point is important) "! Canned, in case of war, brand new high-performance machine-tool lines and machine tools, including imported ones, bought by the Soviet Union for gold, were "state powers" were cut and handed over cheaply to scrap ...
Technical documentation was also rummaged by everyone who was not lazy - the “Chinese students” in the 90s and “zero” years were very interested and actively bought it for nothing, along with stolen carbide tools, machine tools and measuring tools, sending them to their homeland with whole containers, according to as they are filled !
But there was still something left, including technical documentation for the production of small arms, which, for obvious reasons, was not widely available ...
If anyone does not know, then in the organization of the mass production of small arms, it is the authentic technical documentation that "steers", and not bought or captured samples, be they at least a hundred or a thousand!
The most important work of the famous Russian Gunsmith from God, Vladimir Grigoryevich Fedorov, is on the methods for calculating the tolerances and technological dimensions of small arms! Without this calculation, only individual or small-scale fitting and assembly of weapons is possible ...
It is no secret that Soviet-made AK without problems "works" with cartridges of any domestic and foreign manufacturers, but its clones of unlicensed production do not possess such properties - the secret is precisely in the tolerances of the dimensions and manufacturing technology of the barrel and locking parts ...
The Americans, preparing for the unfolding of a full-scale war in Europe, seek to arm their expeditionary forces, and then the combat units of their satellite armies, with the most combat-capable small arms of the Soviet type!
Therefore, such an inescapable interest is precisely in the primary technical documentation of the United States, and of the other NATO "partners", however, as of the neutral eastern almost superpower.

[CAT BAIYUN]

In order to get a decent example, American enterprises just need technology

Well, it’s necessary ... The most important chief officers need technology ... Actually, there is nothing surprising in this .. They have little of their own - they bought it all the way. But even so, with all the traditions they didn’t make it. 21 trillion debts were accumulated, and the budget deficit was under lard. And they get out as if everyone owes it to them.

[nathanael]

Well, after they threw off Kim Ballistic Missile Technology. Not surprising. Although not bad

[Jeremiah]

What is surprising ... the Malanians came to power, whose motto is "After us at least a flood" ... And the population .... mainly ....... Moder rudeness does not pass ..

[Panikovsky]

Jeremiah (Vitaly), not, dear, died, so died. You Ukrainians came to power, you borrowed money, you shouted at Muscovite for a dime, Russia will not be for you until you pay off your debts. Russia will not pay for you-shit! Let's go through the woods, brothers, fuck the poor, God will give.

[Jeremiah]

Quote: Hurricane70

Yes and figs with them ...
Today is the next anniversary of the feat of the Cossacks. 8 hours they stood under the blows of Ukrainian nationalists. They were pelted with eggs and stones. They did not give up. And they sang, "Get up, the country is huge." A deep bow to you guys!

Well, the Cossacks --- the future army of the Don and Kuban, and the rest ...... now, a bunch of mummers hetmans, which on holidays are handed out to each other tsatsk ...

[Armata]

So I'm interested in the link to the mine defense. Either they are dumb to merge classified materials, or how schoolchildren decided to troll dill, With our developments, I doubt that they are dumb.

[Vlad5307]

As the remnants of a former Soviet backlog are sold out, they will immediately grease heels in “Europe” and Canada! And the pan-and-headed population will pay off debts formed by the current "Mr. Elite" Outskirts!

[Clone]

Quote: Curious

intelligent, experienced fighter who tried a lot of weapons from different countries

Not without this, although not in the volumes in which we would like.
Will we "measure"?

[pavelpavel]

In the case to which they are going, humanitarian raids on the presidential palace cannot be dispensed with, although bombing can be replaced by humanitarian calibers.

[rehev931]

HARRY-WHAT TO SAY?

[Glory1974]

the country has taken the path of abandoning its own production and is offering everything for sale.

This is to be expected. An example of other countries in person, such as the Baltic. They curtailed their production, only bananas can grow. After that, you can not take them into account.

[Old26]

Quote: Avis-bis

Quote: urz

as far as I know, in Ukraine there has never been a production of small arms, including light machine guns

... Produced, including light machine guns.

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/НПО_«Форт»
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Маяк_(завод,_Киев)
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Научный_центр_точно
machine-building

You are not quite right, Sergey. He arranged the release of his versions of this machine gun, and the "classic" PKM machine gun was produced by EMNIP in Kovrov. What they do at these enterprises is rework. And kmk set of CD and TD, if they have, then exclusively on this modernization itself. They showed machine guns in 2009-2011

And the passage about selling all the documentation for this machine gun is not entirely clear. It was mass-produced under license in Bulgaria, Romania, Poland. All these countries are now members of NATO, what secret can "Ukrainian designers" sell?

[Antares]

Quote: Old26

And the passage about selling all the documentation for this machine gun is not entirely clear. It was mass-produced under license in Bulgaria, Romania, Poland. All these countries are now members of NATO, what secret can "Ukrainian designers" sell?

The main effect is in the labels
Ukraine, sold, Russian, weapons, USA. Something like this.
If it were all so easily sold for that kind of money. Many of ours would recycle all old weapons (blueprints). There are no secrets there, everything has long been known, full of copies and originals all over the world, assembly lines ... I am surprised that such money is being paid for it, when soon it will be free on the Internet.
Well, the article is the main thing to remember.
This oath Ukraine and kick for sho then (the reason was about to sell "Russian weapons" to the United States !!! And most importantly, only Ukraine sells "Russian weapons")

[tolmachiev51]

It was, it was already, Russia of the 90s. Drunk president and sold everything and everything up to aircraft carriers !!! Humiliation and mockery of the Slavic people under the vile disguise of "democracy."

[Vova Kabaev]

Urkaina is the heiress of the protoucours!

[4thParasinok]

Tell me how to evaluate such articles? The information is important, but the news is bad. If you put +, it turns out that you are happy with the news, but it’s not so ...