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Telegram blocked. Court allowed

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The Tagansky Court of Moscow decided to satisfy the claim of Roskomnadzor about blocking the Telegram messenger in Russia. The court took 20 minutes to consider the suit, and a decision was made in 40 minutes later. Roskomnadzor allowed to implement this measure immediately.


Telegram blocked. Court allowed


Recall the requirement to block the messenger in Russia filed Roskomnadzor. The reason was that the company management refused to provide encryption keys to the FSB. In addition, the department noted that the information that is distributed through the Telegram may contain information that can be used by terrorist organizations, which may threaten the security of the Russian Federation.

However, the company itself stated that it was technically impossible to fulfill these requirements. Also, representatives of Telegram asked to postpone the trial. However, the judge rejected this request, noting that the company had enough time to prepare for the process. Telegram lawyers did not attend the meeting, saying that the founder of the messenger Pavel Durov forbade them to "legitimize a frank farce with their presence."

At the same time, representatives of the FSB fully supported the requirements of Roskomnadzor to block Telegram. The security department noted that the grounds for non-compliance with their requirements are illegal. And the management of the messenger did not provide a justification for the impossibility of handing over the keys.
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  1. 210ox
    210ox April 13 2018 12: 00
    +7
    Hello to the stubborn Durov! Although all sorts of stubborn climb to other resources.
    1. Dmitry 2246
      Dmitry 2246 April 13 2018 12: 05
      +10
      It's funny to see who raises a howl.
      1. Sam_gosling
        Sam_gosling April 13 2018 12: 10
        +21
        It's funny to see that the meaning of blocking was equated to blocking the same root tracker.
        The proxy then works.
        1. Alex_59
          Alex_59 April 13 2018 12: 12
          +19
          Quote: Sam_gosling
          The proxy then works.

          Shhhhhhh !!!! Do not spoil the joy of people. It is said - blocked, then blocked. The newspapers will not lie)))))))
          1. Ryazan87
            Ryazan87 April 13 2018 12: 48
            +10
            "What is the main topic on the sidelines of the Krasnoyarsk Economic Forum?
            Upcoming Telegram Lock.
            Officials, deputies and businessmen massively establish a VPN. Well, who has not had ... "
            wink
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 April 13 2018 18: 47
              +2
              Quote: Dmitry 2246
              It's funny to see who raises a howl.

              You are the first!
          2. Shurik70
            Shurik70 April 13 2018 12: 49
            +17
            Blocking communications on the basis of “can’t eavesdrop” is stupid. Farce, as Durov correctly said.
            Any gangster or terrorist can use any method of sending already encrypted files, which FIG decrypts in addition to the addressee. Encryption methods - until fig. So not providing keys is just an excuse.
            They probably demanded a bribe, but he did not.
            sad
            1. Dormidont
              Dormidont April 13 2018 12: 55
              +5
              Durov - the spiritual son of Chubais
              1. Shurik70
                Shurik70 April 13 2018 13: 08
                +5
                When I go by taxi, I don’t care about the moral qualities of a taxi driver, just not to be smelly and not try to pester me.
                Telegram is used by many. This blow is primarily against them
                1. Orionvit
                  Orionvit April 13 2018 15: 56
                  +3
                  Quote: Shurik70
                  Telegram is used by many. This blow is primarily against them

                  Unhappy, they will not survive, they will die right now without a "telegram". Let them say hello to Durov.
                  1. KAV
                    KAV April 13 2018 18: 21
                    +2
                    The situation is simple to disgrace.
                    Two categories of citizens began to yell:
                    1. Those to whom this op and tantrum were paid;
                    2. Those who have something to be afraid of, read, they live a completely dishonest life in a telegram, and not only in it.
                    That's all!
                    The rest, with the possible exception of the paranoid, can absolutely spit on this telegram and others like it! For an honest citizen has nothing to hide from the FSB! In addition, those who know how SORM works, and are law-abiding citizens, are well aware that they will not even fall into the "sight" of special services. Accordingly, no one will know about their intimate desires and relationships!
                    From here there is one simple conclusion: all those who destroy one way or another violate the law of the Russian Federation, and from this they are very worried about their anonymity, hiding behind the points of the constitution, far-fetched!
                    PS The secret of personal life has nothing to do with encryption keys, because the keys themselves do not contain confidential information! The messages themselves contain it! But the FSB did not require Durov to provide all the correspondence of users. That's all.
                    1. Daniel
                      Daniel April 13 2018 19: 16
                      +1
                      A few hours after the blocking, Durov announced that Telegram will use the built-in means to bypass the locks, which do not require any additional actions from the user. A curtain.
              2. Anti-Corr.
                Anti-Corr. April 13 2018 18: 22
                +1
                Quote: Dormidont
                Durov - the spiritual son of Chubais

                ha ha ha wassat Nedimon has already broken his iPhone laughing
            2. Baby sitter
              Baby sitter April 13 2018 13: 41
              +2
              tell about this striped or burry for example ...
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 April 13 2018 18: 56
                +3
                Quote: Baby sitter
                tell about this striped or burry for example ...

                What is the difference between the Kremlin and the striped ones if they put their ears in other people's underpants?
                Citizens who have nothing to hide, let them go naked! Normal people need an intimate area.
                1. Baby sitter
                  Baby sitter April 13 2018 21: 36
                  0
                  Each house has a toilet and shower (bath). few?
            3. Piramidon
              Piramidon April 13 2018 14: 10
              0
              Quote: Shurik70
              Any gangster or terrorist can use any method of sending already encrypted files

              But this will already cause the FSB to suspect
            4. Rostislav
              Rostislav April 13 2018 14: 11
              +6
              Well, yes, you still need to train cryptography of a bearded jihadist. And then without any problems, I would be able to read the instructions received.
              Durov’s position is more than dubious. If there really is no way to provide keys, why is this not supported by evidence?
              Or is he a hidden lord and is therefore sure that he, like May and Johnson, should take every word?
              1. telobezumnoe
                telobezumnoe April 14 2018 01: 24
                0
                instant messengers that can encrypt a lot of data, and the same votsap or skype doesn’t stir anything to block, although they do not even store user data in Russia as the spring law ascribes it. there is still a lot of jabber clients capable of encrypting data, transmitting them via secure channels, which are encrypted again .. there’s more PR, and do you think that with the disappearance of the telegram the level of attack will at least somehow change? Instead of creating a normal legal framework, we are now building a penal economy where it becomes profitable because more people are violating something, the main thing is not to rebuild and pay fines properly, that’s all the lawmaking is aimed at how to make money from it, conditions will not be created so that a person doesn’t it made sense to break something
            5. Orionvit
              Orionvit April 13 2018 15: 53
              +3
              Quote: Shurik70
              So not providing keys is just an excuse.

              What does occasion mean? There are laws in the state that must be observed. And not so, I do what I want, and if not in my opinion, immediately shout "about violation of freedom of speech."
            6. Anti-Corr.
              Anti-Corr. April 13 2018 18: 23
              +1
              Quote: Shurik70
              They probably demanded a bribe, but he did not.

              One hundred pudoff!
            7. Glory1974
              Glory1974 April 13 2018 23: 27
              0
              Blocking communications on the basis of “can’t eavesdrop” is stupid. Farce, as Durov correctly said.

              So in general it is pointless to fight criminals. If they conceived, they would commit a crime anyway. It is necessary to leave only the Ministry of Emergencies in order to eliminate the consequences, and reduce the police.
          3. Anti-Corr.
            Anti-Corr. April 13 2018 18: 29
            +2
            Quote: Alex_59
            Shhhhhhh !!!! Do not spoil the joy of people. It is said - blocked, then blocked. The newspapers will not lie)))))))

            +100500 good drinks Nedimon said that it would be hard, but soon wild garlic and nettle would "go" and it would become easier wassat Down with telegrams, instagrams, ICQ and "cheburator" is our everything .. Yes Hello sanctions and sanctions.
        2. Dead duck
          Dead duck April 13 2018 12: 33
          +5
          Quote: Sam_gosling
          equated to blocking the same rutreker

          but but but....
          you’ll be more careful there on the holy ... otherwise we’ll remain without a freebie .... laughing
      2. seti
        seti April 13 2018 12: 17
        +14
        Already raised. Personally, it’s not cold or hot from this program.
      3. Dr. Sorge
        Dr. Sorge April 13 2018 13: 33
        +4
        The liberoids are already written as much below :)
    2. MadCat
      MadCat April 13 2018 12: 07
      +17
      Quote: 210ox
      Hello to the stubborn Durov! Although all sorts of stubborn climb to other resources.

      and what are you enjoying? Nuts twisted, miss the iron curtain?
      1. just exp
        just exp April 13 2018 12: 13
        +6
        +1 I’m an ardent putinoid, but I am against the fact that the special forces would control all traffic in general.
        1. kot28.ru
          kot28.ru April 13 2018 14: 18
          +2
          Explain, are you really so naive and you think that not a single intelligence service grazes this network? not ours, so alien, but they know a lot about you bully
          1. vadsonen
            vadsonen April 13 2018 14: 31
            +2
            Which once again proves that the main activity of the FSB is racketeering and spinning.
      2. vadimtt
        vadimtt April 13 2018 12: 18
        +5
        What did you spin? It’s just that the FSB (and the FSB with the FSB), by their actions, started the process of creating secure decentralized anonymous networks that are fundamentally impossible to “block”, “listen to” and find out “who it is”. And now they themselves will not pull out the necessary information, they have played out, (... the words of Lavrov ...). The first flowers already exist - the same I2P.
        1. sogdy
          sogdy April 13 2018 14: 03
          +2
          Quote: vadimtt
          The first flowers already exist - the same I2P.

          Has the oak tree collapsed? This is the main tool of electronic survey.
          1. vadimtt
            vadimtt April 13 2018 14: 18
            0
            Do not worry, sees an eye and a tooth is numb ...
            1. sogdy
              sogdy April 13 2018 14: 22
              0
              I'm not worried. Advertising ripped button accordions amusing.
      3. Lopatov
        Lopatov April 13 2018 12: 30
        +14
        Quote: MadCat
        and what are you enjoying? Nuts twisted, miss the iron curtain?

        The question is different. There is a law, and it must be obeyed. Durov promised, Durov did not fulfill. Durov in accordance with Russian law has achieved a block. This is an advertisement. Aimed primarily at users outside of Russia. Well, the problems and inconveniences of the Russian Durov are not particularly worrying.
        1. Benjamin Gnomes
          Benjamin Gnomes April 13 2018 13: 04
          +20
          Quote: Spade
          Quote: MadCat
          and what are you enjoying? Nuts twisted, miss the iron curtain?

          The question is different. There is a law, and it must be obeyed. Durov promised, Durov did not fulfill. Durov in accordance with Russian law has achieved a block. This is an advertisement. Aimed primarily at users outside of Russia. Well, the problems and inconveniences of the Russian Durov are not particularly worrying.

          What law did Durov violate? the Constitution states the right of everyone to privacy, telephone conversations. Durov just observes this. But the fact that everyone will be constantly monitored by garbage, under the murky pretext of protecting against terrorists, is, excuse me, a piece of homna.
          1. Alex_59
            Alex_59 April 13 2018 13: 25
            +14
            Quote: Benjamin Gnomes
            What law did Durov violate? the Constitution states the right of everyone to privacy, telephone conversations. Durov just observes this. But the fact that everyone will be constantly monitored by garbage, under the murky pretext of protecting against terrorists, is, excuse me, a piece of homna.

            Life has turned into a complete sur. First of all, the point is that they will keep track of the garbage of FIGs even if they open all accesses to them anywhere - there are such volumes of traffic that it is not realistic to track it. Secondly, basmachi or nariks, even in the open air, will find what terms and signals to use so as not to burn into the automatic processing of traffic. Already if you are a basmach, then do not write in the chat about "Alla I to the bar." I think for this a couple of basmak gyrus is enough. As a result of this, the FSB and others could direct their persistence in relation to the Cart to other methods of reconnaissance and undercover work. Something I doubt that in the USSR every paper letter, parcel or telegram was opened and read. Specialists need to work targeted, otherwise it is stupid work. Thirdly, it is really written in the constitution, so the FSB wants to violate the constitution. Here is such nonsense. Achieve that does not help in any way, violating the law.
            1. sogdy
              sogdy April 13 2018 14: 07
              +3
              Quote: Alex_59
              I think for this a couple of basmak gyrus is enough. As a result of this, the FSB and others could send

              Quote: Alex_59
              The FSB wants to violate the constitution. Here is such nonsense.

              Chukchi is not a reader? Chukchi caster!
              Cho to write nonsense? Boring girls ...
            2. Glory1974
              Glory1974 April 13 2018 23: 29
              0
              Achieve that does not help in any way, violating the law.

              And the FSB fools did not know this. laughing
          2. Baby sitter
            Baby sitter April 13 2018 13: 45
            +4
            Why aren’t we excited against telephone communications? or do you only secret in a telegram?
            1. sogdy
              sogdy April 13 2018 14: 08
              +4
              And they didn’t have a team; they don’t write out orders for phone calls.
            2. reservist
              reservist April 13 2018 14: 13
              +1
              so for a long time it’s been impossible to buy a scrambler for a phone or a radio station with a scrambler ...
              but without conversation encryption what secrets might be ...
              1. Baby sitter
                Baby sitter April 13 2018 21: 39
                0
                completely lazy, do not want to learn to "work on a hairdryer." :)
      4. Piramidon
        Piramidon April 13 2018 14: 13
        +3
        Quote: MadCat
        and what are you enjoying? Nuts twisted, miss the iron curtain?

        So what, on "Telegram" light wedge converged?
      5. electrooleg
        electrooleg April 13 2018 16: 02
        0
        Quote: MadCat
        Nuts twisted, miss the iron curtain?


        They have not yet grown twist. While there are people like Yarovaya there, they will never wind anything up. Etozh certified "kings of the Internet", with the wildest education in the field of IT laughing
      6. Orionvit
        Orionvit April 13 2018 16: 04
        +2
        Quote: MadCat
        Nuts twisted, miss the iron curtain?

        Yeah, I see, they screwed up so much that my eyes got out. And here is the iron curtain, why carry nonsense. In my opinion, in Russia, in contrast to the "enlightened" west, you can say whatever you want, whatever you want. But tomorrow, “good-natured radicals” will again blow up the metro and people like you will first begin to howl about the “powerlessness” of the special services and the government.
      7. Stas157
        Stas157 April 13 2018 19: 01
        +3
        Quote: MadCat

        and what are you enjoying? Nuts twisted, miss the iron curtain?

        They dream how to live in a matrix! The glory of House 2 does not give a good half of forum users peace!
    3. Maz
      Maz April 13 2018 12: 16
      +2
      Nonsense. In the CART information appears a day earlier than in information agencies. You need to be able to sift it out. In addition to circumvent this ban - just spit. :
      Warjournal
      Or put a VPN (generally simple and universal):
      If there is no money, use the bot (https://t.me/socks5_bot) or click here (http://fuckrkn.us/) the “get free” button. These are free proxies - Telegram can theoretically work with them, but there will be problems with links and other prohibitions. Therefore we recommend VPN
      1. sogdy
        sogdy April 13 2018 14: 13
        0
        Maz, nmap sees all VPNs. And you can connect to them. In the same Astra. And even disconnect the client. And what is the cynus?
        For what purpose is advertising a button accordion, and even a ragged one ?!
  2. Zaval
    Zaval April 13 2018 12: 06
    +13
    Personally, I am neither warm nor cold from telegrams. But if it is used by terrorists, drug dealers and other trash - it is better if it does not exist.
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona April 13 2018 12: 12
      +19
      Terrorists, drug dealers and other trash uses roads! Ban roads!
      1. Muvka
        Muvka April 13 2018 12: 17
        +10
        Quote: BlackMokona
        Terrorists, drug dealers and other trash uses roads! Ban roads!

        Roads can be controlled by special services. But there are no telegrams. So your comparison does not roll.
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona April 13 2018 12: 28
          +19
          Are roads controlled by special services? So the whole flow of drugs and weapons through them comes with their consent?
          1. Muvka
            Muvka April 13 2018 13: 08
            +5
            No. But they have controls. To control 100% of traffic is unrealistic. But in the telegram, they did not want to control all traffic, but only by court order. In general, the traffic police and the traffic police have access to the road system and control as much as possible.
            1. would
              would April 14 2018 11: 19
              0
              In Telegram, they wanted to control exactly all the traffic, according to the current legislation, they should have keys to decrypt all encrypted traffic. They requested them. Durov logically refused otherwise Telegram from an anonymous messenger would simply turn into another messenger and lose a strong competitive advantage.
          2. sogdy
            sogdy April 13 2018 14: 18
            +1
            Quote: BlackMokona
            So the whole flow of drugs and weapons through them comes with their consent?

            Wrong statement of the question. If you can’t close, head and regulate.
            And yes, it’s very strange that you don’t know that we have a minimum of roads.
            1. Muvka
              Muvka April 13 2018 14: 28
              +2
              Who is dear, who has brains ...
    2. Sharky
      Sharky April 13 2018 12: 29
      +14
      But if it is used by terrorists, drug dealers and other trash - it is better if it does not exist.

      And they also use forks and spoons to eat from the plates. Prohibit forks and spoons, and plates! am
      After all, the security services cannot control the sale of plates, forks and spoons!
      Selling forks, spoons and plates, you help the terrorists survive by organizing their food! And who cares that they can eat with their hands, right?
      1. KAV
        KAV April 13 2018 18: 08
        0
        Quote: Sharky
        And they also use forks and spoons to eat from the plates. Prohibit forks and spoons, and plates!

        Well, it’s not funny from what’s written by yourself ?!
        Quote: Sharky
        Selling forks, spoons and plates, you help the terrorists survive by organizing their food! And who cares that they can eat with their hands, right?

        And let's ban the air ?! So that people like you do not spoil it !!! They will write xp * e * n, and they think that it turned out very witty!
        1. Sharky
          Sharky April 14 2018 01: 36
          0
          And let's ban the air ?! So that people like you do not spoil it !!! They will write xp * e * n, and they think that it turned out very witty!

          Unfortunately, your level of development and the scarcity of intelligence do not allow you to understand what I wrote. The situation with the ban of the telegram is absurd, contrary to the constitution. Therefore, my sparkling humor came to the place lol.
    3. Maz
      Maz April 13 2018 12: 35
      +7
      Well, I'm sorry for you in that case
      Yeah, only the Russian law enforcement agencies haven’t left the channel! And they still work in Telegram! And they give information there directly: https://t.me/SIL0VIKI
      The most correct behavior in this situation is to bypass the lock, and help your loved ones who can’t do it on their own to do it.
      This is currently the only effective, truly effective way to protest.

      Now all the convenient and free block bypass services are overloaded - be patient, everything will return to normal soon. If possible, be sure to buy yourself and your loved ones a reliable VPN.
    4. Greenwood
      Greenwood April 13 2018 12: 55
      0
      Quote: ZAVal
      Personally, I am neither warm nor cold from telegrams.
      What messengers do you use? What social networks?
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 April 13 2018 19: 13
        +4
        Quote: Greenwood
        Quote: ZAVal
        Personally, I am neither warm nor cold from telegrams.
        What messengers do you use? What social networks?

        He does not know what it is. He exchanges messengers with grannies on a bench. He does not need a telegram!
    5. moscowp
      moscowp April 13 2018 12: 55
      +5
      And they talk to each other. It would also be nice to prohibit talking
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood April 13 2018 13: 25
        +7
        Quote: moscowp
        It would also be nice to prohibit talking
        Nenene, you must introduce a tax on the conversation. For every word spoken, the ruble. =) Wow, how to fill the budget.
  3. Romario_Argo
    Romario_Argo April 13 2018 12: 06
    +6
    Durov just receives a salary at the American Embassy (!)
    to drive such business patriots from Russia to the neck
    1. Sam_gosling
      Sam_gosling April 13 2018 12: 12
      +6
      So his FSB from Russia kicked back in '14 ...
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov April 13 2018 12: 32
        +1
        Quote: Sam_gosling
        So his FSB from Russia kicked back in '14 ...

        Polonium in the bins is over, but the "newbie" has not yet been delivered? 8))))))))))
    2. just exp
      just exp April 13 2018 12: 13
      +2
      Well, he came up with a type of VKontakte, it also came from the American embassy?
      1. Sam_gosling
        Sam_gosling April 13 2018 12: 16
        +1
        Well, at least the taxes are not from the American embassy ...
      2. Romario_Argo
        Romario_Argo April 13 2018 12: 23
        +3
        business - business, and to be an accomplice of terrorists is definitely the highest measure (!)
        * it is unfortunate that we have a moratorium
        * It’s fashionable to collaborate with terrorists in the USA, France, England - it’s a direct flash mob
        1. telobezumnoe
          telobezumnoe April 14 2018 01: 38
          0
          the French turned out that everything was controlled via SMS, which means that the telecom operators are accomplices of the terrorists ... if we live with them without cell phones and the Internet, because this achievement allows you to plan something terrible. Yes, that messengers, the yafon is generally unbreakable even for the epp itself, the bourgeois fbi couldn’t decrypt the terrorist’s smartphone and gain access to the correspondence of this moron .. everything is simple, some kind of messengers .. here’s the phone, everything on it and no one will be able to decrypt. it is necessary to forbid everything from enty devices
      3. The_X_Factor
        The_X_Factor April 13 2018 12: 35
        +2
        This went from Mark Zuckerberg, from whom he borrowed the idea of ​​Facebook.
        1. Romario_Argo
          Romario_Argo April 13 2018 22: 06
          0
          and now the OSCE is harnessing this Telegram, but they’re all right ....
          Durov apparently accurately works for the US CIA
  4. jovanni
    jovanni April 13 2018 12: 11
    +6
    ... that the founder of the messenger Pavel Durov forbade them to "legitimize the open farce with their presence."


    That's what it means to give the criminals concessions ... When this type of policeman in St. Petersburg almost moved, he had to be driven to the full depth. They would send a boor to Komi, there wouldn’t be this telegraph, or maybe Durov himself ...
    1. Ryazan87
      Ryazan87 April 13 2018 12: 52
      +2
      "- Take this Kant, but for such evidence for three years in Solovki! - Ivan Nikolaevich thumped completely unexpectedly ..." (c)
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood April 13 2018 12: 53
      +10
      With all my mixed attitude towards Durov, people like him are making progress and developing technologies. While some dark personalities are only able to forbid to be malicious and demand everything.
      1. sogdy
        sogdy April 13 2018 15: 13
        +1
        I apologize, but what is the progress and its making here? But money on progress - yes. With all the accompanying violations of moral restrictions, especially if they require technical costs - for business.
        1. Ryazan87
          Ryazan87 April 13 2018 15: 20
          0
          I apologize, the creation of an information platform that changes the format of people’s communication (primarily business, if about telegrams) and for half a year has become the new and most popular form of media - is it not progress?
          Technology itself is only a condition for progress.
          1. sogdy
            sogdy April 13 2018 15: 31
            +1
            Quote: Ryazanets87
            the creation of an information platform that changes the format of communication between people (primarily business, if about telegrams) and in half a year has become the new and most popular form of media

            Have you noticed that you contradict yourself? Or "business" - or "media."
            And yet, what is the progress? Maybe you also call a bunch of graphomaniacs and diaries "progress"?
            1. Ryazan87
              Ryazan87 April 13 2018 15: 48
              +1
              Have you even used this messenger?
              There is no contradiction here - the functionality of the "cart" allows a lot, including:
              - Working groups to discuss issues - created from departments of commercial companies to working groups to discuss legislative activities. This is a business communication.
              - Information channels (by the way, from leading publications too) about politics, economics, and military affairs. That was the media. In the information field of the Russian Federation, there was no better alternative.
              "same progress" - is to change the conditions for the exchange of information. Well, do you understand the difference between a paper letter and an electronic one?
              1. KAV
                KAV April 13 2018 18: 13
                0
                Quote: Ryazanets87
                Have you even used this messenger?
                There is no contradiction here - the functionality of the "cart" allows a lot, including:
                - Working groups to discuss issues - created from departments of commercial companies to working groups to discuss legislative activities. This is a business communication.
                - Information channels (by the way, from leading publications too) about politics, economics, and military affairs. That was the media. In the information field of the Russian Federation, there was no better alternative.
                "same progress" - is to change the conditions for the exchange of information. Well, do you understand the difference between a paper letter and an electronic one?

                Here you did not name anything innovative, in relation to other messengers, which other people also successfully use.
                1. Ryazan87
                  Ryazan87 April 13 2018 18: 35
                  0
                  Can you give at least one example of a messenger that played the role of the popular media in Russia? I'm talking about this:
                  "- Information channels (by the way, from leading publications too) about politics, economics, military affairs. It was the media. In the information field of the Russian Federation, there was no better alternative."
                  1. KAV
                    KAV April 13 2018 18: 54
                    0
                    Quote: Ryazanets87
                    by the way, from leading publications too

                    From which leading, eg?
                    1. telobezumnoe
                      telobezumnoe April 14 2018 01: 53
                      0
                      Today I went to our Orthodox Rostelecom, they suddenly decided to increase the tariffs, according to them, to the average market indicators, and neither in my personal account nor in the mail did I receive any notifications about the tariff change. Well, I think I need to contact them, I found a button in "write to us" which looms constantly to the right of the screen, and lo and behold, telegrams are loaded right there (it was already at 9 yesterday) and through the bot I contact the operators, I did not expect such a convenience, but .. that’s all the convenience ended with a grim communication of the support service, which for a long time did not want to turn off the service, persuading me to stay, and then informed me if I refuse the service, then the Internet will cost me 3 times more expensive)) it’s also necessary with a written statement go to their office, but .. the cart service was shown to me very convenient
                    2. Ryazan87
                      Ryazan87 April 16 2018 10: 20
                      0
                      Vedomosti, Kommersant, Izvestia, Rossiyskaya Gazeta, TASS. Enough? Or Russia Today and Life to mention too? Or the official channels of federal ministries (the Foreign Ministry had, by the way)?
  5. Vol4ara
    Vol4ara April 13 2018 12: 16
    +2
    Quote: BlackMokona
    Terrorists, drug dealers and other trash uses roads! Ban roads!

    On the roads, this trash is caught, and in a telegram they are like a fish in water
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona April 13 2018 12: 29
      0
      Therefore, the country suffocates in drugs, so they catch it well
      1. The_X_Factor
        The_X_Factor April 13 2018 12: 36
        +2
        Do not use, just choke.
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona April 13 2018 12: 37
          0
          From an addict ready for any crime for the sake of a new dose, you won’t stop using it. The more drugs in the country, the more these inadequacies in the streets. And yet your son or daughter can become inadequate!
          1. The_X_Factor
            The_X_Factor April 13 2018 12: 52
            +2
            Your son or daughter cannot become like this. Once again - do not use. No one will buy - there will be no problem.
            1. free
              free April 14 2018 11: 14
              0
              Quote: The_X_Factor
              Your son or daughter cannot become like this. Once again - do not use. No one will buy - there will be no problem.

              You don’t eat and don’t have to go to the toilet. And that means we’ll save more trees (no toilet paper) and water at the same time (you don’t need to wash off, you don’t need to wash your hands either). Do you understand what you’re writing? If you do not live in the forest, then the problems of those who could not resist will become your problems! You need to change the system, and not hide your head in the sand.
              1. The_X_Factor
                The_X_Factor April 14 2018 14: 13
                0
                Well, don’t eat, Lord. The modern world provides you with a gigantic degree of freedom - use, not limit others. Begin with yourself.
                1. free
                  free April 14 2018 15: 29
                  0
                  Quote: The_X_Factor
                  Well, don’t eat, Lord. The modern world provides you with a gigantic degree of freedom - use, not limit others. Begin with yourself.

                  Sometimes it's better to chew than write!
                  1. The_X_Factor
                    The_X_Factor April 14 2018 21: 00
                    0
                    Chew and do not write.
          2. sogdy
            sogdy April 13 2018 15: 15
            0
            Quote: BlackMokona
            From a drug addict ready for any crime for a new dose

            Read with theatrical howl!
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood April 13 2018 12: 51
      +2
      Quote: Vol4ara
      and in a telegram they are like a fish in water
      Dozens of messengers. And let's ban everything? And social networks too, especially the enemy Facebook.
      1. Dormidont
        Dormidont April 13 2018 12: 54
        +1
        it would be nice
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood April 13 2018 12: 58
          +1
          So what's so good about it?
          1. The_X_Factor
            The_X_Factor April 13 2018 13: 31
            0
            Nothing bad. Facebook is useful as an opportunity to find friends from a foreign country and practice their mobile skills. And so it does not even have a free and safe bang, unlike VK, as an example.
            1. Greenwood
              Greenwood April 13 2018 13: 53
              0
              Quote: The_X_Factor
              Facebook is useful as an opportunity to find friends from a foreign country and practice their mobile skills.
              Precisely because it’s international. Unlike VKontakte, which is common only in the CIS.
              Quote: The_X_Factor
              And so it doesn’t even have a free and safe bang
              Damn, I didn’t even think about this. belay
      2. Piramidon
        Piramidon April 13 2018 14: 18
        0
        Quote: Greenwood
        Dozens of messengers. And let's ban everything?

        Those that provide the required information are not prohibited. Use on health.
        1. Ryazan87
          Ryazan87 April 13 2018 15: 22
          0
          You will not be difficult to give a list of these?
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon April 13 2018 16: 09
            +1
            Quote: Ryazanets87
            You will not be difficult to give a list of these?

            And you yourself in all search engines banned, or what? WhatsApp, Viber, Facebook Messenger, Skype, ICQ, Google Hangouts .... Then you can search yourself further.
            1. Ryazan87
              Ryazan87 April 13 2018 17: 13
              +1
              I meant the list of instant messengers that, in your words, “Provide the required info.”
              I wasn’t banned from the search engine, for example, the opinion of, for example, Mr. Nikiforov, Minister of Telecom and Mass Communications of the Russian Federation:
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=75&am
              p; v = GRzxbzZJnnY
              You look, then (if the desire does not disappear), please answer my question.
  6. kolyhalovs
    kolyhalovs April 13 2018 12: 17
    +8
    Nothing happened. The telegram has a built-in lock bypass setting. Write any proxy and that's it. In general, can anyone give an example of at least one successful blocking on the Web? Rutreker bent down and go there? Yes Yes...
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood April 13 2018 12: 50
      +1
      Quote: kolyhalovs
      Rutreker bent down and go there?
      Rutreker, I remember, even carried out “exercises” with users by blocking himself in order to teach people to bypass locks in advance.
  7. Benjamin Gnomes
    Benjamin Gnomes April 13 2018 12: 21
    +2
    Clowns)) welcome to whatsapp) and maybe we will ban the Internet, there are also drug dealers, and terrorists, and a mee-clown, we’ll make it like a fat trick in Korea - the state Internet, duplicating the first channel) we’ll live))
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood April 13 2018 12: 49
      0
      Quote: Benjamin Gnomes
      welcome to whatsap)
      Line already banned, freaks damn it. So get to this.
      1. Benjamin Gnomes
        Benjamin Gnomes April 13 2018 12: 53
        0
        What is Line? also a messenger?
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood April 13 2018 13: 00
          0
          Japanese messenger. Primary in Asian countries. If you have friends in Japan, Korea, China, etc., then you have to communicate in it, they do not know about WhatsApp, Cart, etc. When they blocked him last year, they stopped sending me messages from Japanese friends. Fortunately, VPN involved.
          1. Benjamin Gnomes
            Benjamin Gnomes April 13 2018 13: 06
            0
            I see. Thanks. No, I have no friends in Asia. As for the VPN, can it be installed on any modem, or on certain models only?
            1. Greenwood
              Greenwood April 13 2018 13: 23
              +1
              Quote: Benjamin Gnomes
              can it be installed on any modem, or on certain models only?
              This is a software solution, it does not put on a modem. You configure it in your computer or on the phone, or register on already running services. Google what a VPN is, it says in detail how to use it.
              1. Benjamin Gnomes
                Benjamin Gnomes April 14 2018 00: 33
                0
                So I googled it) and it turned out to me that they say I need a modem of a certain model. I did not understand about it.
        2. reservist
          reservist April 13 2018 14: 23
          0
          if there is a gadget from the Samsung, then in any firmware for the Asian region, Line will probably be found among the pre-installed applications
          so to speak local alternative to skype
    2. kolyhalovs
      kolyhalovs April 13 2018 12: 56
      +3
      make fat bumpkin in Korea - the state internet

      This, by the way, is the only real way to block some kind of resource on the Web. That is, create a register of resources registered in Russia and allow access only to them.
    3. Dr. Sorge
      Dr. Sorge April 13 2018 13: 39
      +1
      And how is your gold?
  8. tadeptus
    tadeptus April 13 2018 12: 33
    +10
    There is information that terrorists communicate using words. Urgently, we must, no, we are obliged to prohibit words in order to protect ourselves. And you need to destroy the pigeons, they can deliver notes of terrorists. But there is one more suggestion. Ban people. It is people who become terrorists. Infa 100 !!!!
    1. tadeptus
      tadeptus April 13 2018 12: 34
      +4
      oh yes and still here that more taxes are needed. then the terrorists will not have money for weapons.
  9. Kalmar
    Kalmar April 13 2018 12: 39
    +2
    Hooray, finally defeated all terrorism, pedophilia, drug trafficking, and what else is there without a telegram? Oh yes, spiritual fasteners now definitely can’t be unfastened :)
  10. Greenwood
    Greenwood April 13 2018 12: 48
    +4
    They also found a problem for me. Raise the VPN (or use the public ones), set the proxy in the settings and no problem. Just as it was with rutracker and other torrents. In general, Roskomnadzor once again showed its complete technical incompetence and unwillingness to engage in real work.
    1. Alex_59
      Alex_59 April 13 2018 13: 15
      0
      Quote: Greenwood
      They also found a problem for me. Raise the VPN (or use the public ones), set the proxy in the settings and no problem. Just as it was with rutracker and other torrents. In general, Roskomnadzor once again showed its complete technical incompetence and unwillingness to engage in real work.

      The same people are sitting in Roskomnadzor, and I think they are in the same surprise as the rest from orders from above. And the bottom line is that the state needs to be done beautifully with a bad game. Show who is senior in the hut. Millions of housewives do not use a cart or a tytruba. They will turn on the drawer in the evening, and they will be told there that the cart was blocked in full, so that the mouse will not slip, and that’s because the cart covers the terrorists, Trump and contributes to the development of masturbation in homosapience larvae. And that’s it. Housewives are thrilled. The state is thrilled. Users are thrilled (they know what Proxy is).
      Show mast go he!
      1. sogdy
        sogdy April 13 2018 15: 20
        0
        Quote: Alex_59
        Millions of housewives do not use a cart or a tytruba. They turn on the drawer in the evening, and they will be told there

        And yet you are against simple human happiness? What about patchoum?
  11. Dormidont
    Dormidont April 13 2018 12: 53
    +1
    Next in line is Facebook and the rest of the trash
    1. GUSAR
      GUSAR April 13 2018 17: 02
      +1
      Duck disconnect from the Internet! There is so much abomination fu!
  12. Remir Mursalimov
    Remir Mursalimov April 13 2018 12: 57
    +3
    Intelligence agencies are imitating the fight against terrorism, in any game on the phone you can create a chat and communicate and track it is almost impossible to dozens of games every day.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood April 13 2018 13: 02
      0
      Yes, these chats and instant messengers dozens and hundreds. We go into PlayMarket and choose for every taste. Many also have Windows versions, which is generally convenient.
      1. sogdy
        sogdy April 13 2018 15: 21
        0
        Quote: Greenwood
        Yes, these chats and instant messengers dozens and hundreds.

        But religion doesn’t order to call and talk?
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood April 13 2018 17: 01
          +2
          Calling is not always convenient, ok? Speaking about a person because of some little things is stupid. Plus, communication in groups also does not imply that participants will call each other.
  13. Dr. Sorge
    Dr. Sorge April 13 2018 13: 22
    +1
    ABOUT! Good news!
  14. Dr. Sorge
    Dr. Sorge April 13 2018 13: 37
    +1
    How many zmagars on the site, all the "bloody g ,, bnya" interferes with living and writing :) Some howls and groans .. :) And tomorrow there will be no one to pay to the tramp-tararams and trolls :)
  15. TOPchymBA
    TOPchymBA April 13 2018 13: 48
    +1
    What a nightmare!!! "Blocked" another chat-writer. How to live on ???
    Well, at least they did not disgrace, but took an example from the Saudis. They that they cannot read the special services are simply blocked.
    1. Ryazan87
      Ryazan87 April 13 2018 15: 25
      +2
      You know, the Saudis are a very dubious role model. Personally for me, at least. And the DPRK too).
      Maybe we will not "disgrace" and at the same time introduce an absolute monarchy. Well, corporal punishment, of course. AND?
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood April 13 2018 17: 02
      +1
      Quote: TOPchymBA
      Well, at least they did not disgrace, but took an example from the Saudis.
      We have democracy, no ?! lol
  16. iouris
    iouris April 13 2018 14: 02
    0
    Etcho, sanction against Kadyrov? It’s better to fire everyone who writes on Twitter.
  17. Antidote
    Antidote April 13 2018 14: 37
    +1
    Quote: Piramidon
    Quote: MadCat
    and what are you enjoying? Nuts twisted, miss the iron curtain?

    So what, on "Telegram" light wedge converged?

    When the Nazis brought the Communists in, I was silent; I wasn't a communist.
    When they locked up the Social Democrats, I was silent; I wasn't a social democrat.
    When they called the unionists, I was silent; I wasn't a trade unionist.
    When they came for me, there was no one left to protest.
  18. Polkovnik parker
    Polkovnik parker April 13 2018 15: 07
    +2
    What problems, turn on the proxy, and opa on, everything works.
  19. Clueless
    Clueless April 13 2018 16: 34
    +5
    Power! Cut people tongues and break their hands, they use these devices to speak and write, then we will definitely defeat terrorism.
    Prohibit mobile phones, e-mail, the Internet - then we will definitely defeat terrorism.

    But seriously - thanks to our stupid officials that we will lose a lot of investment in the country, and the specialists who will bring it out even faster. :(
  20. Clueless
    Clueless April 13 2018 16: 35
    +4
    Quote: TOPchymBA
    What a nightmare!!! "Blocked" another chat-writer. How to live on ???
    Well, at least they did not disgrace, but took an example from the Saudis. They that they cannot read the special services are simply blocked.


    Comrade, if you do not know what a Telegram is, go to a thought, there are a lot of idiots.
    A telegram is not a current talker, it is an ideal tool that allows you to automate many processes thanks to bots, groups, etc. Even the Kremlin used this talker.
  21. TOPchymBA
    TOPchymBA April 13 2018 17: 26
    0
    Yes, the site is very bad with humor. (This is about the blocked talker-writer - for those who are on an armored train).
    For the other two commentators, to begin with, google how the Saudi authorities solve the problem of unreadable data for their special services. Then give your capacious comments.
    Although sorry - I completely forgot that today is Friday and someone has already managed ...
  22. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim April 13 2018 17: 33
    0
    Durov fulfilled all the conditions of the NSA and the FBI to continue the work of telegram in the United States.
    To fulfill the same conditions set by the domestic special services, he considers below his dignity.
    Hypocrite and Russophobe in one dull little body.
    https://tsargrad.tv/news/durov-ne-otdaet-kljuchi-
    fsb-no-rabotaet-na-ssha-jekspert-raskryl-glavnuju
    -prichinu-blokirovku-telegram_125277
    “Durov does not give the keys to the FSB, but works in the USA” - expert revealed the main reason for blocking Telegram
    I am absolutely sure that Pasha does not give the keys to the FSB or Roskomnadzor, but gives them to the Americans. Because there was an episode when he submitted data, in particular, to the American Securities Commission. And there was a minor episode when he was also asked for keys, and somehow it all disappeared from the media. That is, I am sure that Pasha is cooperating with Western intelligence agencies.
    Those who are behind Deputy Chairman Durov:
    Vyacheslav Mikhailovich Mirilashvili (born March 1, 1984, St. Petersburg) is a co-founder and former co-owner of the social network Vkontakte, the youngest dollar billionaire in Russia (for 2013) [1].
    He studied at Tufts American University, then returned to Russia and in 2006, together with Pavel Durov, created the Vkontakte website with the money of his father. Durov and Jew Lev Leviev became minority shareholders.
    We have: ingenious Mirilashvili and Leviev. But the public is shown a brilliant fool-Durov.
  23. Clueless
    Clueless April 13 2018 18: 01
    +5
    Quote: Comrade Kim
    Durov fulfilled all the conditions of the NSA and the FBI to continue the work of telegram in the United States.
    To fulfill the same conditions set by the domestic special services, he considers below his dignity.
    Hypocrite and Russophobe in one dull little body.


    1. Durov didn’t pass the keys to anyone, believe less in the yellow press
    2. Enough to keep us here for idiots, hanging us on the ears
    1. TOPchymBA
      TOPchymBA April 13 2018 18: 13
      0
      Quote: Bad
      Quote: Comrade Kim
      Durov fulfilled all the conditions of the NSA and the FBI to continue the work of telegram in the United States.
      To fulfill the same conditions set by the domestic special services, he considers below his dignity.
      Hypocrite and Russophobe in one dull little body.


      1. Durov didn’t pass the keys to anyone, believe less in the yellow press
      2. Enough to keep us here for idiots, hanging us on the ears

      Comment of a major specialist ,,
  24. Clueless
    Clueless April 13 2018 18: 54
    +3
    Quote: TOPchymBA
    Comment of a major specialist ,,


    Well, bigger than yours;)
    Durov is not in one country, he did not pass the keys to this product, because encryption itself and its services are the core of the product. Give the keys and there will be no product.
  25. Mentat
    Mentat April 13 2018 20: 24
    0
    Quote: Shurik70
    Any gangster or terrorist can use any method of sending already encrypted files, which FIG decrypts in addition to the addressee.

    And instantly attract attention. Good morning.
    In addition, "FIG who decrypts" at least debatable.
  26. Mentat
    Mentat April 13 2018 20: 30
    0
    Quote: kolyhalovs
    Nothing happened. The telegram has a built-in lock bypass setting. Write any proxy and that's it. In general, can anyone give an example of at least one successful blocking on the Web? Rutreker bent down and go there? Yes Yes...

    There are thousands of “successful locks”. They are made by cutting out a site from all the annals if it poses a real threat. Rutreker and co is the formality of pure water. This kind of blocking is more of an enhanced warning to users about content.
    1. would
      would April 14 2018 11: 31
      0
      Well, let’s show us "cutting out the site from all the annals." It is especially interesting how to cut it, for example, from Sweden where Wikileaks is currently hosted and where the intelligence services of all Western countries cannot remove it from.
  27. Beltasir matyagu
    Beltasir matyagu April 13 2018 20: 48
    0
    There is always a master key. Kimono buddle can stick his middle finger in his
  28. Loess
    Loess April 13 2018 21: 30
    +1
    Blocked and correctly done. They sell nonsense through telegrams of current and are not afraid of anything. It is still a long time with a lock pulled.
  29. Appraiser
    Appraiser April 14 2018 11: 22
    0
    It's time, rightly done ..... wink
  30. would
    would April 14 2018 11: 28
    0
    Once again, we see an imitation of activities from Russian special services and government agencies. On the Internet there are hundreds of different instant messengers through which you can correspond, and those that don’t exist can be written and this is done quite quickly and cheaply.

    At the same time, the basics of Internet security tell us that for anonymization we need to use the least known and the most specific services possible. Exactly the same advice I saw in the ISIS leadership on cyber warfare. Telegram, which the governments and special services of several countries laid eyes on, is a very bad option for terrorist attacks, they dig a lot under it and everyone knows about it. That means that only very stupid terrorists will use it, smart people will use another. One of the clever used simple letters and a network of couriers and hiding places through which they were transmitted, the FSB did not track him ... it was Khattab.

    Those same bookmarkers generally just use SMS and just QIWI the hell already knows how old.

    Have Telegram blocked? “Like yes,” that is, no. It is available using basic means of bypassing locks that can not be dealt with even in China.

    So from a security point of view, nothing really has changed. All those who need to use the appropriate solutions and Telegram is not included in them, all Telegram users will continue to use it. But you can report on another major victory over terrorism and the development of budgetary funds allocated for the Spring package written in the USA lol

    However, the company itself stated that allegedly It is technically impossible to fulfill these requirements.


    Anyone who wrote this does not own the topic at all. He does not know what end-to-end encryption is and why codes cannot be transmitted from him without any “alleged”.
  31. Usher
    Usher April 14 2018 16: 47
    0
    In general, do not care for telegrams. There is a viber and a shotgun. She doesn’t want to play according to the law, this is the right decision, he was told black and white.
  32. Mentat
    Mentat April 14 2018 18: 02
    0
    Quote: rait
    Well, let’s show us "cutting out the site from all the annals." It is especially interesting how to cut it, for example, from Sweden where Wikileaks is currently hosted and where the intelligence services of all Western countries cannot remove it from.

    There is nothing to show, they even do not exist in web archives. Broken links to such resources are sometimes found in the branches of specific forums, and they sometimes happen to visit special agents involved in this topic. You can see the cutting process on YouTube by typing “the network of pedophiles has been revealed” or “the leader of the terrorists has been eliminated”, that's how they are being cut.
    About Wikileaks, you are very naive.