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In each barrel gag. F-35 integrated into the US air defense system

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The US Missile Defense Agency (US Missile Defense Agency) has announced plans to deploy F-2025 Lightning II fighters in the air defense system by 35, Warspot reports with reference to breakingdefense.com


In each barrel gag. F-35 integrated into the US air defense system

Location of radars and other target detection systems on the F-35 fighter


It will take us six to seven years to expand the capabilities of the F-35 and develop a new fast rocket, as well as integrate them into the existing missile defense system. If this plane does not change the rules of the game, it will become an important element for the fight against ballistic missiles.
- said the head of the US Missile Defense Agency, Lieutenant General Samuel Graves.

According to Graves, F-35 fighters can already be used to detect and track ballistic missiles during the initial phase of flight, while testing of the aircraft's subsystems continues. In addition, by 2025, it is planned to complete the development program for a special version aviation missiles designed to destroy ballistic missiles.

The US Department of Defense indicates that the entire army will receive the X-NUMX F-2443 fighter. Of these, 35 aircraft are designed for the Air Force and will be based on American bases in different parts of the world. Thus, the Missile Defense Agency will receive effective means for hitting ballistic missiles at the initial stage of their flight, while the existing air defense system will continue to be used for hitting targets at the middle and terminal phases of flight.
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  1. Sergey985
    Sergey985 April 13 2018 11: 27
    +9
    F35 ate all the money. From the projectile interceptor decided to do. Hopelessness !!! Good news.
    1. Vard
      Vard April 13 2018 11: 34
      +1
      They’re not writing about this flying pepelats yet ... Soon, they’ll generally fly into space on it ...
      1. Deune
        Deune April 13 2018 11: 40
        +1
        Take it above, the colonization of Mars is what is relevant. On the one hand, it’s practical, suddenly there Martians also poison each other, then you can immediately bring democracy.
        1. dorz
          dorz April 13 2018 12: 53
          0
          Quote: DeRune
          Thus, the Missile Defense Agency will receive effective means to destroy ballistic missiles at the initial stage of their flight.

          The most dangerous in the last sentence of this article.
          1. aliis-M
            aliis-M April 13 2018 15: 31
            +2
            I thought that speed (both cruising and jerking) and deployment speed are important for the interceptor (as far as I know, preparation of the F-35 takes longer than preparation for the departure of the same F-15), and the stealth technology is absolutely not critical. I agree with everyone who said above that this is more likely to "shove the non-pushable" than a really good step.
        2. Safevi
          Safevi April 13 2018 13: 10
          +3
          "Hopelessness !!!"
          Where did they get it? In my article, I write about the opposite. Believe me. negative comments (many people who speak badly about an airplane just admit in their souls that the airplane is excellent!) of comments here, the airplane will not become bad.
          1. NEOZ
            NEOZ April 13 2018 14: 29
            +1
            Quote: sefevi
            Believe me.

            we have no gentlemen, and it’s not customary to take a word! prove it!
          2. Conserp
            Conserp April 14 2018 13: 05
            +1
            The plane is shit. From your rants, how different he is in the souls of critics, in reality he will not become different.

            Midsection, unregulated VZU, wing load, thrust-weight ratio, overload limitation, corrosion and cracks, inadmissibility of state tests even 17 years after take-off, three-time price tag and so on, they have what they are, your fantasies and mantras will not change them.
      2. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi April 13 2018 11: 51
        +4
        Quote: Vard
        They’re not writing about this flying pepelats yet ... Soon, they’ll generally fly into space on it ...

        Into space not soon, but soon we will see on aircraft carriers.
        1. sabakina
          sabakina April 13 2018 12: 15
          +8
          Jews as children with a new toy.
          1. Shahno
            Shahno April 13 2018 12: 35
            +2
            But what about ... Iranian BRs, who will intercept?
        2. NN52
          NN52 April 13 2018 20: 28
          +1
          Aaron Zawi

          Did you miss my question?
        3. Kyzmich
          Kyzmich April 14 2018 17: 28
          0
          Judging by the fact that the serial production of the F-18 has been urgently restored, we are unlikely to see it there at all.
          Especially his mod F-35B
          It remains only to observe the tragedy of Shakespeare (or the circus) with the new British aircraft carrier.
      3. NEXUS
        NEXUS April 13 2018 19: 36
        0
        Quote: Vard
        Soon, in general, they will fly into space on it ...

        - Comrade Colonel! Let me turn!
        - Well ?!
        - And do air defense troops defend or cover the main troops?
        - Well, it's like hair on n *** e - cover, but not a damn protect!
        hi
        1. NN52
          NN52 April 13 2018 20: 34
          +1
          Funny, probably ...
          Especially for guys with air defense ...
    2. 210ox
      210ox April 13 2018 11: 35
      +6
      Sergey, this is not entirely good news. And he didn’t eat all the money .. In reality, he will be a serious and massive opponent for our VKS .. And most importantly, massive. We cannot allow this.
      Quote: Sergey985
      F35 ate all the money. From the projectile interceptor decided to do. Hopelessness !!! Good news.
      1. Sergey985
        Sergey985 April 13 2018 11: 42
        +2
        There is no analogue of the thirty-first. And not foreseen. As a platform, this is perhaps the worst option of all.
      2. NEOZ
        NEOZ April 13 2018 11: 55
        0
        Quote: 210ox
        will be serious

        Why?
        is fxnumx a good fighter? and the bomber? and the attack aircraft? and interceptor?
        here with f35 the same story, only the 5th generation.
        1. 210ox
          210ox April 13 2018 11: 58
          +2
          I personally consider F16 a good fighter, but not a bomber, let alone a fighter. But with F35, it seems to me that they can make a universal platform, of course, within the framework of the aircraft’s overall dimensions.
          Quote: NEOZ
          Quote: 210ox
          will be serious

          Why?
          is fxnumx a good fighter? and the bomber? and the attack aircraft? and interceptor?
          here with f35 the same story, only the 5th generation.
          1. NEOZ
            NEOZ April 13 2018 12: 04
            0
            Quote: 210ox
            I personally consider

            As for me, the f16 fighter is not very good (there are cars much better) ...
            why do you think that f35 is a universal platform, but f16 is not?
          2. Black Colonel
            Black Colonel April 13 2018 12: 26
            0
            On the Fu-35, a lifting motor with dead ballast is present. I think that such interceptors are a perversion and another attempt to cut the dough.
          3. Conserp
            Conserp April 14 2018 18: 06
            0
            Quote: 210ox
            F16 I personally consider it a good fighter, by no means a ground attack aircraft or, moreover, a bomber.

            F-16 was created as a fighter for the battle against the MiG-21.
            With the development of technology, after the appearance of the Soviet 4th generation and the retirement of the MiG-21, he ceased to be a fighter - due to the inability to fulfill this function - and was retrained as a drummer.
        2. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I April 13 2018 12: 38
          +2
          Quote: NEOZ
          is fxnumx a good fighter? and the bomber? and the attack aircraft? and interceptor?

          Su-27 .... originally a good interceptor .... the "upgraded" Su-27 (Su-30) is a good drummer ... "once again the modernized" Su-27 (Su-34) is a good bomber ..... ....
          1. NEOZ
            NEOZ April 13 2018 12: 56
            +1
            su27 fighter to gain air superiority, not an interceptor.
            su30 too fighter to gain superiority in the air, not the drummer.
            su34 fighter-bomber....
            Su34 is not an upgrade! This is the new Su27 aircraft.
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I April 13 2018 13: 30
              +2
              Quote: NEOZ
              Su27 fighter for air superiority, not an interceptor.

              From the very appearance, the Su-27 has been called the “fighter-interceptor” ... The fighter “to gain air superiority”, he became for some time “after”.
              T-10С got into mass production in the 1981 year. AL-31F engines were also mass-produced for him at the factories of the Salyut MMPP in Moscow and at the MPO in Ufa. In the Soviet Air Force, aircraft began to be delivered in the 1982 year. And officially, by a government decree, the Su-27 entered service on 23 on August 1990. At the time of adoption in the Air Force, the aircraft was named Su-27С, and in the air defense it was called an interceptor (Su-27П). It was not used as an attack aircraft. Su-27P-fighter-interceptor, designed for one pilot. Used exclusively for air defense.

              Read more at: http://avia.pro/blog/su-27-frontovoy-istrebitel
              Quote: NEOZ
              Su34 is not an upgrade! This is the new Su27 aircraft.

              Quote: NEOZ
              Su34 fighter bomber

              All this is “verbal casuistry”! What do you call a yacht, so it ....... will be listed in the maritime register!
              1. NEOZ
                NEOZ April 13 2018 13: 55
                0
                Why was an interceptor needed in 1981, if in 1981 the latest MIG 31 interceptor comes into service ???
                with my comments I wanted to show that a plane cannot be good in all areas ... Su27 is primarily a fighter, but then a bomber, attack aircraft, etc.
                also F35 cannot be a good interceptor and attack aircraft etc ....
                1. Nikolaevich I
                  Nikolaevich I April 13 2018 14: 27
                  +2
                  Quote: NEOZ
                  Why was an interceptor needed in 1981, if in 1981 the latest MIG 31 interceptor comes into service ???

                  Well, it's ..... like dividing front-line (tactical) fighters into "heavy" and "light", or "long-range" and "short-range", for the tasks of long-range and "local" air defense ....
                  Quote: NEOZ
                  with my comments I wanted to show that a plane cannot be good in all areas ... Su27 is primarily a fighter, but then a bomber, attack aircraft, etc.

                  Got it .... I won’t argue anymore! yes
            2. Conserp
              Conserp April 14 2018 18: 07
              0
              All of these aircraft are multifunctional to varying degrees.
        3. Conserp
          Conserp April 14 2018 13: 09
          0
          Since such a booze has gone ... Every eighth F-16 released has already crashed.

          35% of the F-16s were decommissioned without flying even 5 years, due to defects.
          64% did not live to be 10 years old.
          More than 80% could not fly 15 years.

          But the F-16 is still not bad in comparison with the F-35.
      3. Sergey985
        Sergey985 April 13 2018 12: 03
        0
        Will be. No options, I agree. But the very concept of a universal aircraft is erroneous, at least in this version. Invisibility is a purely marketing move when the rest of the characteristics are sacrificed. That he is now poorly visible on radar screens (supposedly). And in 5-10 years?
        1. Black Colonel
          Black Colonel April 13 2018 12: 29
          0
          And why is it invisible to a ballistic missile - so as not to redirect its megatons?
      4. KCA
        KCA April 13 2018 12: 15
        0
        How many airbases around the world are this mass spread? At 100? And how many of them will be in Europe, the only place where they threaten us?
    3. NIKNN
      NIKNN April 13 2018 11: 35
      +2
      Quote: Sergey985
      F35 ate all the money. From the projectile interceptor decided to do. Hopelessness !!! Good news.

      Yes, for air defense and missile defense you can even use helicopters only problem
      In addition, by 2025 it is planned to complete the development program for a special version of an aircraft missile designed to destroy ballistic missiles.

      And here there are only plans so far ... The whole idea of ​​making this pepelats an interceptor is that it needs to be pulled in even as a transporter, but pulled in ... It doesn’t roll like an attack and it’s worse than a F16 ... so that everything is clear ... I think those with vertical take-off can also be announced for a landing ... request
      1. Sergey985
        Sergey985 April 13 2018 11: 45
        +4
        Landing, evacuation of the wounded from the forefront. A very versatile aircraft turned out. We envy silently!
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh April 13 2018 11: 46
        +4
        F-35 - the first fighter with an open software architecture. It does not have a hard link between hardware and software. Therefore, it can be redone literally on the go. We cut it before anyone else, and so grabbed it. Whatever weapon system (in reasonable dimensions) or avionics you think of, you can put it on the F-35 faster and easier than on any other plane.
        Therefore, of them it is possible, like Lego, to make up battle groups of various configurations composed of aircraft with different weapons and devices.
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ April 13 2018 11: 58
          +2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          with open software architecture

          The software does not affect the performance characteristics of the aircraft!
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        2. Topotun
          Topotun April 13 2018 12: 05
          +4
          Sorry, but open architecture doesn’t mean that you can shove the RCC you need 6 meters long into its armament compartment. Yes, of course, the ability to quickly change the composition of software and hardware expands your capabilities somewhat. But, the dimensions of the aircraft, its supporting structures, the output sockets for attachments with a light mouse movement can not be moved ....
          As for combat capabilities - time will tell. The T-34 was far from the best tank during WWII in a number of ways. But among the best in the aggregate price, combat effectiveness. Time will tell who is worth what. It’s a pity that in this case blood will be shed again .....
          1. Black Colonel
            Black Colonel April 13 2018 12: 35
            +1
            The warrior wrote 'What weapon system (in reasonable dimensions) ... ". What does the 6 m RCC have to do with it?
        3. Vard
          Vard April 13 2018 12: 13
          0
          Sorry for the comparison ... but how many g ... don’t mess, you still get a dung ...
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I April 13 2018 12: 41
            +2
            Quote: Vard
            Sorry for the comparison ... but how many g ... don’t mess!

            And how do adobe do? what
        4. sabakina
          sabakina April 13 2018 12: 20
          +3
          Alexei, look only, as if your Lego in flight would not crumble in flight. And not cut, but cut. Cut the head off with a chopping object.
      3. novel66
        novel66 April 13 2018 11: 52
        +2
        Nikolay. Hello! hi not a long time ago drinks universalization, and in form an attempt to replace all types of aircraft with one child prodigy is an idea poor, although we have so many missiles that are impressive?
        1. NIKNN
          NIKNN April 13 2018 12: 03
          +2
          Quote: novel xnumx
          Nikolay. Hello! hi not a long time ago drinks universalization, and in form an attempt to replace all types of aircraft with one child prodigy is an idea poor, although we have so many missiles that are impressive?

          Hi Roman! All is not leisure, like writing, I read regularly. smile Well, they also do not have rockets for the purposes assigned to them, and they will probably not be soon .. But otherwise, the amount of F-35x is certainly scary ... By simple logic, you can break through the An-2 with a million (well, so rude) any front to any depth, the question of expediency and irreversible losses ... recourse
    4. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch April 13 2018 11: 39
      +5
      Quote: Sergey985
      From the projectile interceptor decided to do. Hopelessness !!! Good news.

      It takes off, sort of, from Dombarovsky, Sarmat, and f-35 is right there, on takeoff. Wow, fire, not a plane. f-22 completely dominate the air simultaneously provide. I repeat: "Orcs, it’s good to play warcraft, it is fraught. You have turned an evil sorcerer (substitute your name) into a radish, calm down before you are sent to hell." .
      1. 210ox
        210ox April 13 2018 11: 44
        +3
        Of course, they frowned about intercepting ICBMs in the initial section. But I still think that like the aircraft itself and its avionics, and even more so the weapons on it are a formidable adversary. You can’t underestimate it ..
        Quote: iliitch
        Quote: Sergey985
        From the projectile interceptor decided to do. Hopelessness !!! Good news.

        It takes off, sort of, from Dombarovsky, Sarmat, and f-35 is right there, on takeoff. Wow, fire, not a plane. f-22 completely dominate the air simultaneously provide. I repeat: "Orcs, it’s good to play warcraft, it is fraught. You have turned an evil sorcerer (substitute your name) into a radish, calm down before you are sent to hell." .
        1. novel66
          novel66 April 13 2018 11: 54
          +3
          wow! That's how they expect to intercept a missile launching in Siberia. Did you look at the map?
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I April 13 2018 12: 52
            +2
            Quote: novel xnumx
            how they expect to intercept a missile launching in Siberia. Did you look at the map?

            During the SOI’s “dawn” period, the Merikos assumed that “space” platforms with interceptor missiles would hang over Siberia ... And after the “defeat” of the Strategic Missile Forces, surviving single “launches” would finish off the “3-day” drones on solar panels "with the same interceptor missiles ....
    5. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi April 13 2018 11: 47
      +2
      Quote: Sergey985
      F35 ate all the money. From the projectile interceptor decided to do. Hopelessness !!! Good news.

      Почему нет?request Great radar, great comp, hypersonic missile. What else is needed?
      1. NEOZ
        NEOZ April 13 2018 12: 08
        +4
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        Почему нет?

        I propose to develop this topic!
        on the AWACS hang rockets !!!! and voila !!!!! interceptor !!!!!!
        1. Shahno
          Shahno April 13 2018 12: 52
          +1
          Why Avax missiles. And so suppress the rhsn ...
          1. NEOZ
            NEOZ April 13 2018 13: 05
            0
            Quote: Shahno
            And so crush

            this is not for me, this is for Aron Zaavi .....
        2. Tsoy
          Tsoy April 13 2018 13: 34
          +1
          Quote: NEOZ
          on the AWACS hang rockets !!!! and voila !!!!! interceptor !!!!!!


          Here you are laughing, but I learned here that at Poseidon, which is based on BOIENG 737-800, it turns out that you can hang Sidewinder missiles. Probably there is nothing more offensive than being shot down by a passenger airliner, albeit a converted one.
          1. NEOZ
            NEOZ April 13 2018 14: 22
            0
            Quote: Choi
            be shot down

            and shot down by the C-130 gunship! transport aircraft!
            1. Tsoy
              Tsoy April 13 2018 21: 21
              0
              Quote: NEOZ
              and shot down by the C-130 gunship! transport aircraft!


              Well, in the history of only one documented case where the artillery hit the plane. And it was in Vietnam. The probability that you can shoot down at least some military aircraft from the ganship is extremely low. Still, a rocket is a more realistic option.
      2. Sergey985
        Sergey985 April 13 2018 12: 12
        +3
        An external target designation is needed as a missile defense system (and the aircraft itself must be sent to the desired area, so the aircraft’s radar does not pull here in any way). And no one needs his stealth in this case. As a platform for placing weapons, I repeat once again, not the best option
      3. Winnie76
        Winnie76 April 13 2018 12: 54
        +1
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        Why not? Great radar, great comp, hypersonic missile. What else is needed?

        For starters, at least cruising supersonic. It's not meant to be? Well, yes, open architecture covers everything else like a bull to a sheep laughing
      4. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I April 13 2018 12: 59
        +2
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        What else is needed?

        Derived from the vibrant KR "Petrel" is a suitable (high-altitude, "long-flying" ...) platform for "a magnificent radar, an excellent computer, a hypersonic missile ...."
      5. NN52
        NN52 April 13 2018 13: 08
        0
        Aaron Zawi

        The video is interesting .. Just why on F35 they chose the refueling option with a cone?
        It was like a barbell? Or am I missing something?
        Now do tankers have to upgrade?
        Yes, and pilots have to retrain slightly ...
        Strange as that ...
    6. Hanokem
      Hanokem April 13 2018 11: 57
      +2
      This is all nonsense. All progressive mankind knows very well that the F-35 is a flying iron, a child prodigy and sawed dough. The Su-35 will deal with it without any problems, and the Su-57 will simply not be interesting for the pilot to shoot down helpless penguins. We all learned it all at VO ...
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh April 13 2018 12: 06
        +3
        There are classified (so far) frames. Squadron F-35 before a combat flight from an air base.
      2. Sergey985
        Sergey985 April 13 2018 12: 14
        +3
        What does the Su-35 and Su-57 ???? It's about using the F35 as an interceptor.
        1. iliitchitch
          iliitchitch April 13 2018 13: 10
          0
          Quote: Sergey985
          What does the Su-35 and Su-57 ???? It's about using the F35 as an interceptor.

          You guys, sticky tentacles just do not pull to our borders, and you will have an excellent aircraft f-35, for defense, the super-interceptor will simply be after deep processing.
          Well, if it’s very good to scratch a strike aircraft .. well, after all, the penguins will lose their shoes and run away. By golly, like alcoholics, they drop everything and give up plump, and sweaty little hands reach for Russia. Well, stupid.
      3. Conserp
        Conserp April 14 2018 18: 38
        0
        Quote: Hanokem
        This is all nonsense. All progressive mankind knows very well that the F-35 is a flying iron, a child prodigy and sawed dough. The Su-35 will deal with it without any problems, and the Su-57 will simply not be interesting for the pilot to shoot down helpless penguins. We all learned it all at VO ...

        Well done! I learned everything correctly!

        And they also say that the Israeli at HE are pathologically uneducable!
  2. Ingvar0401
    Ingvar0401 April 13 2018 11: 27
    +3
    It will take us six to seven years
    Good luck Continue to suck in the raw airplane to all your hangers-on ....
  3. Dezinto
    Dezinto April 13 2018 11: 31
    +1
    Helping defenseless cities like in Iraq, Yugoslavia, Libya - yes, American planes can. There are of course no options, the coolest in the world. And then in Yugoslavia they managed to “lose” their super-invisibility.

    But these planes against these guys are really unbeatable force.

    And by the way, I will not be surprised that if oil deposits are found in the depths of the Amazon forests, then it’s the super-technological F-35 that will bomb the unfortunate Aborigines there and do not blink an eye. And it will be GREAT VICTORIA ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 13 2018 11: 39
      0
      At the moment, they can bomb in the presence of a highly organized air defense system - having missiles and bombs with a range of 500 kilometers - they are simply suppressed by quantity.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac April 13 2018 20: 54
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        bombs with a range of 500 kilometers

        You haven’t messed up anything?
    2. abvgdeika
      abvgdeika April 13 2018 11: 44
      +6
      VKS in Syria bombed by the same Papuans hi
      For the sake of objectivity !!!!!
      1. Dezinto
        Dezinto April 13 2018 11: 50
        +5
        Only the videoconferencing in Syria is bombing really dangerous thugs armed with modern weapons, who teach tiny children to cut heads.
        And the United States is bombed by defenseless countries under fictitious pretexts. Powell test tube recall? Tony Blair's confession - “yes we were wrong” to recall.
        Sarkozy - Libya - to remind?

        Russia is bombing frostbitten fanatics, and the United States is growing them! Is it different.?
        No need here .... and closely related situations!
        1. abvgdeika
          abvgdeika April 13 2018 12: 39
          +1
          I’m just talking about the military component !!!!
      2. novel66
        novel66 April 13 2018 11: 56
        +3
        biased. there the Papuans already have a MANPADS
        1. abvgdeika
          abvgdeika April 13 2018 12: 41
          +1
          For an airplane, this should not be a problem, not an offset soldier
      3. Playerman
        Playerman April 13 2018 11: 59
        +4
        "VKS in Syria bombed by the same Papuans hi
        Objectivity for the sake of !!!!! "Damn yourself Papuans! With heavy armored vehicles, mortars, rockets. What objectivity for the sake of?
        1. abvgdeika
          abvgdeika April 13 2018 12: 42
          +1
          See comments above
      4. NEOZ
        NEOZ April 13 2018 12: 12
        0
        Quote: abvgdeika
        the same Papuans

        no! not the same!
        VKSnih have no oil deposits, and amerskie live on oil deposits, usually ....
  4. Heterocapsa
    Heterocapsa April 13 2018 11: 31
    0
    All America in this video

  5. Deune
    Deune April 13 2018 11: 35
    0
    Pentagon: That's how ... Yeah ... and so, how much dough for this miracle do you unfasten?
    1. abvgdeika
      abvgdeika April 13 2018 11: 46
      +1
      Salvage will leave anyway, but the plane will remain.
      Somehow
      1. Conserp
        Conserp April 14 2018 18: 40
        0
        "Salvage will leave anyway, but the plane will remain shit."

        That's right.
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 13 2018 11: 45
    +2
    This plane has already eaten the entire bald patch. So much advertising suggests that you (NATO countries and not only) do not want to get involved in something quite so loud and trumpeting.
    1. novel66
      novel66 April 13 2018 11: 57
      +1
      you must already buy yourself and equalize rights
  7. alstr
    alstr April 13 2018 11: 49
    0
    This is more of me pins:
    "Thus, the Missile Defense Agency will receive effective means to destroy ballistic missiles at the initial stage of their flight."
    Those. we swell a cloud of money into a rocket, which can only be launched into a launched rocket. Question: How is he to the launch pad of a ballistic missile and who will let him go there?
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh April 13 2018 12: 00
      +2
      This is the whole trick. Air defense radars with difficulty detect it and easily lose it. If interceptors stumble upon it in optical or visual contact, it will be knocked down, taking advantage of the speed.
      But DO NOT stumble, it could well penetrate deep into the territory and attack launch BRs or BRs on takeoff with missiles from internal compartments.
      1. Astoria
        Astoria April 13 2018 12: 17
        +2
        Air defense radars with difficulty detect it and easily lose it
        - Are you talking about whose radars, about your own or the old Syrian? laughing
        can penetrate deep into the territory and attack launch launchers or missile launchers on take-off by missiles from internal compartments.
        - and also can brew a cappuccino and cross stitch wink
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh April 13 2018 12: 47
          +2
          "Are you talking about whose radars, about your own or the old Syrian?" ////

          Any country today.
          1. Astoria
            Astoria April 13 2018 12: 54
            +1
            Any country today.
            - only in your wet dreams. laughing
        2. Shahno
          Shahno April 13 2018 12: 56
          +1
          About the Iranian ..... If that, how long would have raised a howl ....
      2. alstr
        alstr April 13 2018 12: 22
        0
        In order to penetrate - you need to know when the launch. If you do not know this, then the reaction time will be much longer than the transit time of the initial section of the ballistic missile.
        Those. if for Sev. Korea - it will pass, then for Russia it’s past the cash register, because F-35 simply will not reach there in range.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh April 13 2018 12: 49
          +1
          "for Russia, it’s past the ticket office, because the F-35 simply won’t reach it in range." ///

          Here you are right: ICBMs in the regions of the Urals and western Siberia are protected from most means of attack by the very fact of the depth of the territory.
          1. alstr
            alstr April 13 2018 13: 19
            +1
            In fact, at best, you can intercept launches from Kozelsk and Tatishchevo (stationary mines). Moreover, it is in these areas with air defense that is somehow better.

            Now the question is: How many f-35 missiles will fit into the internal compartments?
            It seems that a maximum of 2 (due to size). But still need rockets for self-defense.
            Those. one F-35 per BR. And I'm sorry, this is no longer scary. Because a crowd of 30 pieces of aircraft, even the F-35, is a well-detectable target simply by virtue of quantity. Not to mention the fact that the concentration of such forces in the Baltic States and Ukraine (and in any other way) is a signal to increase combat readiness and take preventive measures

            Hence a simple conclusion - it just drank the dough. The combat value of this proposal is low. It is even lower than the existing missile defense.
            1. Shahno
              Shahno April 13 2018 13: 27
              +1
              But so now you have raised the issue of the tactics of using 35 x. If you know, then yes, but if not ... the main message is part of the system ....
              1. alstr
                alstr April 13 2018 13: 36
                0
                Yes, what a tactic. This is the usual logic imposed on the knowledge of TTX. If a lot of things have gathered somewhere, then it is worth waiting for a blow from there.
                1. Shahno
                  Shahno April 13 2018 13: 44
                  +1
                  So you can’t understand in any way that there will be no attack from that direction .... This is a fight ... The more electronics, the more perfect the system, the faster the system works, the more screws such as 35, the less chance of a successful exit of the BR ... You forget, even lack of care, surprise ...
                  1. alstr
                    alstr April 13 2018 14: 06
                    0
                    If we consider Russia and its BR, then for the F-35 are available only BR North-West. According to TTX, its combat radius is about 1 thousand km., Which makes it possible to fly only from the Baltic side (otherwise it just will not fly or will fly over St. Petersburg or Belarus, where the air defense is serious).
                    Hence the simple conclusion that if more than 4 F-35s appear in the Baltic, then a strike is planned. We must take action.
                    Logic and nothing more.

                    Yes, the strike may not be, but it is necessary to prepare.
                  2. Setrac
                    Setrac April 13 2018 21: 00
                    +1
                    Quote: Shahno
                    The more electronics, the more perfect the system, the faster the system works.

                    Alas, but only in computer games. I pumped "on-board electronics" for plus twenty - and the urine of enemies.
            2. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh April 13 2018 13: 32
              +1
              "it just drank dough" ////

              The costs are minimal. But it still appears indication of the launch of the BR, and is transmitted over the network to all other means of missile defense. This is the main point, and not the destruction of BR forces by the F-35
              1. alstr
                alstr April 13 2018 14: 12
                0
                Well, they can and can track the launch, but here it is unlikely to destroy a rocket, because They will shoot after them, and there completely different speeds are needed.
                But then again, why, if there are already other working systems?

                And about the destruction, then why make a rocket, if the point is not not to destroy the BR? I see only one - to cut the loot
                1. Shahno
                  Shahno April 13 2018 14: 20
                  +1
                  Well, it depends on the performance characteristics of the interceptor missile ... See 6 does wow intercepts targets in 8 m ... oh, I forgot to mention, this is the perimeter control mode for attacking from above, not the catch-up course ... you count there on catch-up do not have time to get out, if you miss the attack ...
              2. Butchcassidy
                Butchcassidy April 13 2018 17: 31
                +1
                Amid how much has already been spent and is still planned, the costs are really minimal.
                It’s just that the American military-industrial complex loves to eat, even as it loves)) and the output is far from always giving a quality product. But he perfectly owns the magic of lobbying and the destruction of potential competitors. About the same Lavi, I think, it’s not worth reminding.
        2. Shahno
          Shahno April 13 2018 12: 57
          +1
          And intelligence, counterintelligence for what?
          1. alstr
            alstr April 13 2018 13: 20
            0
            Here it is useless, because the decision to strike is made at the highest level. Here only if the donkey with gold for the president ride.
      3. sabakina
        sabakina April 13 2018 12: 26
        +6
        Quote: voyaka uh
        This is the whole trick. Air defense radars with difficulty detect it and easily lose it. If interceptors stumble upon it in optical or visual contact, it will be knocked down, taking advantage of the speed.
        But DO NOT stumble, it could well penetrate deep into the territory and attack launch BRs or BRs on takeoff with missiles from internal compartments.

        I am not a doctor, but obviously something is wrong with the Jews ... request
        1. abvgdeika
          abvgdeika April 13 2018 12: 45
          +1
          Why? I am sure none of us knows the real characteristics of American and Russian aircraft !!!!
          Why not fuss laughing
          1. Setrac
            Setrac April 13 2018 21: 02
            +1
            Quote: abvgdeika
            Why? I am sure none of us knows the real characteristics of American and Russian aircraft !!!!

            Some obvious parameters are known, for example twelve suspension points versus four.
        2. Shahno
          Shahno April 13 2018 12: 58
          +1
          We are clearly aliens ...
      4. Winnie76
        Winnie76 April 13 2018 13: 10
        +1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        This is the whole trick. Air defense radars with difficulty detect it and easily lose it.

        "Hard to spot" see range radars. All other radars detect it with great pleasure.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 13 2018 12: 04
      0
      If they make an air-to-air missile with a range of 300 kilometers or more and a speed of at least 15–20 Machs, then the interception of the ballistic missile and ballistic missiles at take-off is quite real.
  8. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt April 13 2018 11: 56
    +1
    There is a visual video of how this aircraft detects torches of launched ballistic missiles. Now they also want missiles to the sensors, in addition, it can exchange information with land and sea missile defense systems. In the future, it will certainly pose a certain threat to our strategic forces (in conjunction with a drone -fuel tanker).
    1. Shahno
      Shahno April 13 2018 13: 30
      +1
      Well, why only a tanker .... There are also UAVs that simulate f16, f15, and an attack ....
    2. Conserp
      Conserp April 14 2018 18: 44
      0
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      There is a visual video of how this aircraft detects torches of launched ballistic missiles.

      Yes, yes. Despite the fact that they can be seen with the naked eye.
  9. sabakina
    sabakina April 13 2018 12: 03
    +6
    I did not understand, on what initial? At the start can shoot down? belay Somewhere in the Urals, yes? It would be better if he was taught how to cook cappuccino in flight ...
    1. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara April 13 2018 12: 20
      +1
      They forgot to add: if America, as well as the rest of the world, will still exist by 2025
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 13 2018 14: 22
        0
        And what will prevent him from existing?
  10. Romanenko
    Romanenko April 13 2018 13: 01
    +3
    From time to time, military concepts, as they say, "bring" in the 30s of the 20th century whatever there were, remember at least our BT-series high-speed tanks, the armada of bombers in Italian concepts of warfare, a universal field gun, here you have a gun and anti-aircraft gun and howitzer in the "one glass" ...
    Everything passed and nothing came of it, well, except that there was an experience in creating all these unimportant things and understanding of what is really needed.
    So is the F-35, after investing such an amount of funds in a car very controversial in terms of quality, the customer, realizing that there is still no way back, is trying to smear his costs by region, vparing this miracle to his allies, but in parallel with this trying to understand where nevertheless this stuccion can fit in such a way that it does not protrude.
    In a word, the mountain gave birth to a very expensive mouse, an anti-ballistic helmet was created for the infantryman. It does not break through anything, but no one can wear it - the necks are weak.
    1. Bastion Eagle
      Bastion Eagle April 13 2018 16: 16
      0
      God forbid, they will continue to mass produce this masterpiece!
  11. viktor.
    viktor. April 13 2018 14: 02
    +1
    Amerekos know how to breed suckers, the mind is not reliable, Jews and those bred belay
  12. BABA SHURA
    BABA SHURA April 13 2018 15: 00
    0
    What about integration with f-22?
  13. Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy April 13 2018 16: 43
    0
    In my opinion, everything is obvious: the Americans are feverishly "kneeling" trying to "concoct" an answer to the asymmetric response to the American missile defense system, voiced in the Address of Vladimir Putin to the Federal Assembly.
    Naturally, in such a time frame they won’t be able to offer anything good except for the "prodigy" F-35. And then there was a reason to knock out additional funding from Congress.
    PS The feeling that Serdyukov at the head of the Ministry of Defense is an undercover operation.
  14. seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 April 13 2018 17: 18
    0
    But are there schemes or systems in which he has not yet had time to attach it?
  15. Compasure
    Compasure April 13 2018 23: 06
    +1
    Thus, the Missile Defense Agency will receive effective means to destroy ballistic missiles at the initial stage of their flight.
    As we were taught: the "initial stage" (it is also an active site) is located above the territory of the state where this missile is launched and how is the F-35 going to fly there?