Novice Inventor: Only an idiot could use this poison in Britain

A statement by the chemist Vil Mirzayanov about the findings of the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons commission was published in the media. Recall that on the eve of the OPCW a report was issued, stating that the commission confirms the findings of Britain on the composition of the "nerve agent". At the same time, the OPCW refrained from mentioning in the open part of the report (and there is, as we know, also the secret part) that we are talking about the “Novice” poison, as Theresa May called it.

In an interview with the radio station "Kommersant FM ”Mirzayanov, who calls himself one of the creators of the substance A-234, noted that“ only a fool ”could use“ Novice ”in the poisoning in Britain, who did not know anything about its chemical properties.

From the statement of the chemist:

This substance can be stable only in the absence of moisture and moisture. The substance used in England 4 March, where there was a fog - water droplets in the air.

According to Mirzayanov, Skripali did not die from the use of the A-234 mixture, which “in a gel-like form” allegedly “smeared” the front door handle, since the concentration of the poisonous substance in the presence of high humidity could fall several times.

Mirzayanov:

And they (Creak) after all returned. And if this couple had not arrived in the afternoon, there would have been not enough substance for a lethal outcome. Here is my answer to those who say that if it were a “Novice”, then there would be more victims, and Squeaks would have died. Under these conditions, only an idiot who knows nothing about the chemical properties of the “Novice” could use this substance. If you throw him in the water, after a few hours there will not even be a trace, you know?

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[Spartanez300]

Let them draw what they want there, just mow down as idiots.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Spartanez300

Let them draw what they want there, just mow down as idiots.

Unfortunately, idiocy is a powerful weapon in the hands of skilled manipulators.

May, Johnson and the entire collective West in the "poisoning" of the Skripals in Salisbury acts against Russia according to Goebbels' precepts.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Tatiana

May, Johnson and the entire collective West in the "poisoning" of the Skripals in Salisbury acts against Russia according to Goebbels' precepts.

Hehe hehe ... actually. the phrase about the big lie belongs to Adolf. And he used it to describe the actions of the left, accusing General Ludendorff of losing the WWII.

The responsibility for the lost war tried to blame on General Ludendorff.
These gentlemen proceeded from the correct calculation that the more monstrous you lie, the sooner they will believe you. Ordinary people rather believe a big lie than a small one. This corresponds to their primitive soul. They know that in the small things they themselves are capable of lying, well, and they are very embarrassed to lie very much. A big lie doesn’t even occur to them. That is why the masses cannot imagine that others would be capable of too monstrous lies, too unscrupulous distortions of facts. And even when it is explained to them that the matter is of a lie of monstrous proportions, they will still continue to doubt and will tend to believe that there is probably still some truth to this. That is why the virtuosos of lies and entire parties built solely on lies always resort to this particular method. These liars are well aware of this property of the masses. Lies only stronger - let something from your lies remain.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Alexey RA

actually. the phrase about the big lie belongs to Adolf.

Adolf was not very stupid. This is probably why his book Mine Kampf was translated into Russian for Stalin. After reading it, Stalin made a definite conclusion - a war between Nazi Germany and the USSR is inevitable.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Alexey RA

ehehehe ... actually. the phrase about the big lie belongs to Adolf.

To be more precise, you would need to say not an “phrase”, but an “idea”. However, even in this case, you would have been inaccurate in the authorship of the idea. For the main provisions of these ideas historically go back to the priests of ancient Egypt.

[Shura Sailors]

Why mow? Great feature - 'this substance under these conditions could only be used by I.D.I.O.T '

[rocket757]

A lot of fog, misunderstandings ... the impression is that it’s normal that nobody is going to deal with everything like that?
And why, in fact, they definitely do not need this! The culprits are appointed, to repulse them, in the fog, is simply not realistic!

[Bad_santa]

In a foreign vocabulary, this word came from Russian classics. So with this news you will not justify yourself. The word is Russian, which means the Russians poisoned. Checkmate

[Bad_santa]

I think with this word he is hinting at a new Russian development of the brain-paralytic poisonous substance "Fool". This gas has no color and odor, selectively hits only idiots, it can only be detected at the stage of complete infection of the brain, and then only by symptoms. As a rule, infection occurs after an evening viewing of the media. The victims of this vile and treacherous blow of the Kremlin have already become thousands of ordinary citizens of England. And the worst thing is that the infected themselves become a source of spread of the infection!

[Vard]

Not the order turns out .... The beginner is not real !!!!

[Evil543]

Uncle just thought about his fate, now not enviable. Right now, he may suddenly die

[Orionvit]

And what did he think, he gave the interview to Kommersant FM, and not the Air Force. Whoever hears it in the West is all there either permanently deaf, or innately stupid, or pathologically deceitful.

[kipod]

Quote: Vard

Not the order turns out .... The beginner is not real !!!!

At first we were convinced that such a gas did not exist at all - but suddenly its inventor came out of nowhere, then they said that they could not use it because of its - well, very strange qualities in the reception of combat use.
What did Stanislavsky say there?

[Sergey985]

Looks like Assad and I are being put in the same boat. And he and we use chemical weapons. Only at the last moment it became scary, no one wants to burn out in a nuclear fire. Their analysts are bad, or did not listen to their opinion. After some time, when everything calms down, once again in Syria a chem. organize an attack. And already in the past tense they will begin to blame us (by analogy with the attack on Georgians in 2008).

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Vard

Not the order turns out .... The beginner is not real !!!!

Chinese or what? After all, how many times have warned: "Beware of fakes" ...

[Herculesic]

"Only a go-away could apply a Newcomer in England" - so in England idiots of the herd, all the more there the power rests on them therefore, they blamed, alone, go-ots against others of their kind! !!

[Orionvit]

Quote: Herkulesich

so in England idiots herds

It’s hard to argue with this, but the fact that they are also trying to make the rest of the world idiots is a fact.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Orionvit

Quote: Herkulesich

so in England idiots herds

It’s hard to argue with this, but the fact that they are also trying to make the rest of the world idiots is a fact.

Their world in this go-otism is not difficult to deceive. He himself is glad to be deceived.

[ul_vitalii]

Even the general designer felt sorry for the slap on his product

[Strashila]

The voice of a reasonable ... all the early reports of the British for those without literacy, who did not go to school or was only registered in it .... that's why they were accepted in the West with a bang ... well, they are stupid. They thought a drunk with polonium in their opinion swept and here an outright nonsense will do the same .... the fakir was drunk and the trick failed.

[Baloo]

Quote: Strashila

The voice of a reasonable ... all the early reports of the British for those without literacy, who did not go to school or was only registered in it .... that's why they were accepted in the West with a bang ... well, they are stupid.

My school knowledge of the military commissar and GO allows me to confidently assert that there was no old beginner, but there was a solid dose of the drug for general anesthesia, which was injected through clothes or into the open part of the body, for example, in the back of the neck. It was not for nothing that they hid the violinists in a military hospital, if you believe the internet, and from there they are likely to move to the USA. if you believe the internet.

[Strashila]

it’s not necessary to inject ... it is possible to breathe in any kind of muck ... drink counterfeit alcohol with mitil ... eat, there are cyclout tubers for example ... there are many options, and the policeman must have fainted upon detection ... the rest were harassed in their eateries fast food ... there they shouted that more than 20 people were injured, they threatened to burn these eateries ... so ordinary food poisoning becomes a weapon of mass destruction .... and a way to get insurance.

[Fedorov]

Was there a boy? In my opinion - NO. The circus did not leave, and the clowns were with him.

[Strashila]

there wasn’t even a clown ... there were artists from the Burned Theater trying to portray him.

[Holsten]

"Only idiot could use this poison in Britain" - a direct reference to the British.

[Baloo]

Quote: Holsten

"Only idiot could use this poison in Britain" - a direct reference to the British.

On Teresa May, it was she who “poisoned the newcomer”, and the arrow is being transferred to Russia, the trophy goat.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Holsten

"Only idiot could use this poison in Britain" - a direct reference to the British.

More precisely, Teresa May and Boris Johnson correspond to this definition of "idiot". It turns out that they travanuli Skripale.

[kipod]

Those he claims that in the USSR a family of neuroparalytic gases was invented (combat note) - which could be used only in a sauna or desert? (unless of course it turns out that Novichok - he can’t tolerate heat besides humidity) - sorry, I don’t believe
Gos. Bonuses for such bullshit do not give

[Orionvit]

Quote: kipod

which could only be used in a sauna or desert?

The point of inventing an “eternal” non-degradable poisonous substance? Ordinary reinsurance, and even with careless handling, you can poison the entire planet.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Orionvit

Quote: kipod

which could only be used in a sauna or desert?

The point of inventing an “eternal” non-degradable poisonous substance? Ordinary reinsurance, and even with careless handling, you can poison the entire planet.

The point is to trap the positions of the adversaries and in a couple of hours to draw their troops through them without isolating gas masks, because gas has already decomposed.
However, not all so simple. Banker Kivelidi travanuli, seemingly, by this very A234, and so at his autopsy he was mortally poisoned by a pathologist. But the poison stayed in the corpse (in a humid environment) for many hours ...

[your1970]

Quote: kipod

which could only be used in a sauna or desert

- 7 parts of the Earth’s surface - deserts, about 2/7 more steppes, semi-deserts, savannahs, prairies, etc.
USA
“Before the Europeans came to America, three large steppe biomes in the central part of the continent occupied approximately the same area: 615 km² low grass prairies, 000 thousand km² mixed prairies and 565 thousand km² high grass prairies (Van Dyne, Dyer, 570)." approximately 1973/1 of the entire US area.
So what about the "limited places of application" you are very excited. And for 1/4 of the territory of the USA they could well have given the State Prize ...

[would]

Bad reading. In the USSR, a family of nerve agents was invented, and not just gases. And since they could be used in the form of gas, aerosol, I saw in another material mentions of crystals, jelly in relation to which it was said about humidity, just a drop applied, etc. The form of a substance determines its preservation in the environment and as a result of its use. For a gas bomb thrown into a unit, the low life of the substance is a huge plus because it will hit the target incredibly quickly, and for example, after 20 minutes, their units can take this position without any fear. This is what is required of a chemical warfare agent: Huge and incredibly fast lethality over a large area, access to the body through all sources, rapid disappearance. The latter may not be, depending on the situation, therefore, different BOVs are made for different situations.

And here it was discussed

According to Mirzayanov, Skripali did not die from the use of the A-234 mixture, which “in a gel-like form” allegedly “smeared” the front door handle, since the concentration of the poisonous substance in the presence of high humidity could fall several times.

That is, the substance is in a jelly-like state (it must also be smeared) and it had to remain deadly for hours. This is already a means for individual elimination. And naturally, the chemical warfare agent is not suitable for individual elimination.

[your1970]

Quote: rait

Huge and incredibly fast death over a large area

-and all alive except for burnt animals !! strange however ....

[would]

So I’m talking about exactly the same thing, I’m not a specialist and never a military chemist. Public sources may be lying, but they all say that it’s almost impossible to survive after the Novice’s poisoning. And even this “almost” has doubts. But then both Skripals survived, and even more so, Julia Skripal regained consciousness and can speak.

This does not fit into the open data on the mortality rate of the "Novice" and raises a lot of questions.

[Mountain shooter]

Well, this "theoretical chemist" can, of course, tell all kinds of things ... And the policeman who was "cut off" by just one touch of a couple ...? Or, in the organisms, the "Novice-old man" warmed up, and became deadly?

[your1970]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Well, this "theoretical chemist" can, of course, tell all kinds of things ... And the policeman who was "cut off" by just one touch of a couple ...? Or, in the organisms, the "Novice-old man" warmed up, and became deadly?

why the policeman was cut down - and the ambulance doctors who came after him - no??? They touched the Skripals much more, loaded them into a car, rode with them in the same car, unloaded them ... If he touched them and nearly died - then they were guaranteed to die

[would]

Well, let's say that a policeman cut down from touching a couple. Firstly, and who said that he was cut down from the "Novice"?

Assuming that the policeman was really cut down, this does not mean at all that it was specifically the “Novice”. Another chemical could be used. This is the first. And for this version the fact that the Skripals are alive says that the "Novice" is incredibly deadly and it is almost impossible to survive after it without instant specialized assistance.

Secondly, as already correctly noted, those who arrived a little later did not even experience malaise. What can it talk about? The fact that the substance has just lost its amazing ability? Option.

Well, even a chemist can lie, this is also an option.

[voyaka uh]

The British say that there were three people poisoned with the same substance: Skripal, a daughter and a policeman, who were sent first to check the house. Then everyone was already scared and put on gloves, gas masks, suits. When it turned out that the substance did not transmit poisoning through the air (non-volatile), they ceased to shy away, and only specialists put on suits that checked objects in cafes, benches, etc.

[your1970]

Quote: voyaka uh

The British say that there were three people poisoned with the same substance: Skripal, a daughter and a policeman, who were sent first to check the house.

- once again !! Skripaley was taken away from the ambulance shop. Where are the corpses of the doctors?
If the policeman was pawing a pen in the house, then at least 2 hours had passed AFTER Skripal left the house, they shied away alive 2 hours - and he had grabbed a knowingly lower dose (the part of the poison had been creaked) and almost died?

[would]

This is what they say. "Novice" in an interview with its creators is incredibly fast, less than a minute before losing consciousness. What does it mean? The fact that the defeat by the “Novice” could only happen very close to the place where they were found unconscious, that is, at that very bench. The theory that they allegedly received a dose of "Novice" from the pen at home, after a few hours roamed around various institutions and only after they lost consciousness, has a very big flaw. That is, here someone is lying.

When it turned out that the substance does not transmit poisoning through air (non-volatile)

And the "Novice" is just the same volatile as proved by the case of Ivan Kivelidi. The "Novice" was put on the telephone receiver, and the secretary, including the one who did not touch him, died. She wiped the dust in the office, but did not touch the phone.

It is difficult to say how much it was actually poisoned, the media speaks of at least two police officers, but I personally would not trust the Daily Mail.

[Clueless]

It's funny, but the chemist clearly revealed state secrets, for the Novice is a chemical weapon that dissolves after rain, leaving no traces of it !!!!
Those. you kill a bunch of people, it rains and that's it, you can calmly settle new colonists there

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Bad

you kill a bunch of people, it rains and that's it, you can calmly settle new colonists there

Well, chemistry, in general, does work.
Take an interest in the durability of combat OM, you will be surprised.

[mikh-korsakov]

Chemistry is different. There are persistent and unstable OMs. Persistent OMs (like mustard gas) are degassed using APC type machines using a bleach solution. The unstable OMs, which include the majority of nerve agents, are also degassed, but with ethanolamine, because their toxic effect is thousands of times greater than that of the persistent ones.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: mikh-korsakov

Chemistry is different

Right But there we are talking about organophosphorus

Quote: mikh-korsakov

... degassed with ...

I also know how to use google. And besides, I know a little about the subject

[mikh-korsakov]

Since one of my specialties is a military chemist, I still remember from my memory that I don’t use Google in principle, I go to Yandex. But the bottom line is that the only class of Persistent organophosphorus nerve agents are Vx gases, which were not invented in the USSR. But just because of their stability, they were adopted in many countries. In the USSR they were sprayed onto an area of ​​several square kilometers with the help of engines written off from aircraft mounted on the Urals. But this is not the point, the fact is that once a month after application in the blood and soil, they discovered an organophosphorus - they used it, not a "novice", but a kind of Vx gases (several of them) that are available in all countries.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: mikh-korsakov

since a month after application in the blood and soil they found an organophosphorus - it was used, not a "beginner", but a variety of Vx gases

As an option, it’s possible.
But, if this is originally a linden (which, IMHO, is very similar), then they can find there ... yes even a bald trait.

Quote: Advertising

... but - in bulk .. all in bulk

[mikh-korsakov]

Novel. Looking at the photo ?. You have a boyfriend or a girl. We have a girl with a straight-haired retriever. She is very affectionate, but there are also drawbacks: she looks into passers-by aunts in bags, licks oilcloth when she doesn’t eat her bedding, how many duvet covers she already ruined.

[mikh-korsakov]

I quote the title "Novice Inventor: Only this poison could be used in Britain." It seems he holds for idiots everyone who, after reading the article, will believe her. Stop, stop, stop. The creator of the "Novice" announced that the A234 quickly decomposes in wet conditions. But how, in this case, OPCW chemists in two weeks were able to detect this poison, and in its pure form! in samples of wet soil and in biological samples of Skripals. In a word according to the proverb "I don’t know who wrote, but I read fool." But the main thing is not that, gentlemen. Skripal has risen!

[Bakht]

Truly risen .....

[mejik]

Only poison could use this poison in Britain.

[aud13]

Novice Inventor: Only this poison could be used in Britain
Oh, be careful to this inventor with statements. And then inadvertently the CIA will be offended.

[vicvladol]

Quote: Strashila

... haunted their fast food eateries ...

In-in! In Irkutsk in 2016, 123 people were harassed by Hawthorn. 78 by the way did not save.

[groks]

Magazine
1. Mirzayanov was an analyst. He himself did not invent anything at all.
2. FOV do not decompose from water. Who would need such OM at all? The “inventor” not only does not know the chemistry of OV, he does not know chemistry even at the level of a normal Soviet schoolchild. And he had no NVP.
3. Why is all this printed? To convince everyone that in the Russian Federation there are stocks of the most effective OM. No need to probably explain why and to whom it is needed.
4. Those who printed / reprinted this delusional material are the enemies of our country. You haven’t come to Kommersant yet? Why?

[mikh-korsakov]

FOV are different. Vx gases previously taken into service in developed countries do not really decompose. However, initially developed OM like sarin undergo hydrolysis and trivalent phosphorus is oxidized to pentavalent there; therefore, they are classified as unstable FOV, which makes them low toxic. What class A234 really belongs to, I really don’t know - it’s exotic - I didn’t go further than research. And the fact that the author of the article is bullshit, here you are right, a rare nonsense.

[groks]

In a few hours? From plain water? Rave.

[Unbearable]

Weather in Salisbury in March 2018: The highest daytime temperature in March 2018 was + 12 degrees Celsius, while the minimum temperature at night dropped to -4 degrees. The average values ​​of day and night temperatures during March are 7.5 and 3.3 degrees, respectively. Most of March in Salisbury there were cloudy days, however, sunny and cloudy days were also not uncommon, the average wind force in March is 4.6 m / s. In Salisbury, the average daily number of sunny hours in March is: 5.2 hours.

[Evil 55]

The ignoramus rules the world .. What is being done now with Russian education has long been applied in the West .. That is why sheer amateurism even in matters of diplomacy, not only chemistry ..

[Kars]

All this is rubbish. The ded is simply rushing from attention. And constantly adapts to reality. If he immediately said that they creaked out of danger.

[Civilian]

And the news is not a plus for Russia.
It reads like this. "In view of the low qualifications of the" performer, "the special task was failed. The creaks remained alive, only because the poisonous substance A-234 had lost its properties."

[Mikhail3]

If you throw it into the water, after a few hours there will not even be any traces there, understand?

Yes, we understand! For example, the fact that it was in England, and they began to take samples from pens not on the first day. So this alleged "Newbie" there would be no trace. So the guys from Porton Down probably had to go to the doorknob as if at work and regularly domazit it, waiting for experts.
In general, the "inventor" is lying more curly and curly.

[Prisoner]

Such an excuse a holim could come up with only.

[Altona]

Yes, to hell with them, with the Skripals. As if the cat and pigs were starved and thirsty, Herods?

[Bakht]

I recall the anecdote of the assassination attempt on Chubais

Putin listens to the report of the FSB director: - Vladimir Vladimirovich, the unknown tried to undermine Chubais, the attempt failed, the unknown disappeared! What will be the orders?
- Unknown dismiss, repeat the operation!

[Topotun]

Some kind of nonsense, a toxic substance is recognized as combat if its minimum stability is ensured during combat use in real weather and climatic conditions. There wasn’t any fog that day (at least dense) .... An attempt to explain why the creaks did not die ....

[Igor-01-03-56]

Mei personally strangled the cat.
Fought back as much as he could.
Unequal, of course, forces, -
Expected Outcome ...

[Vasyan1971]

"This substance could be used under these conditions only, which knows nothing about the chemical properties of Novichok."
M-dya .... Sternly Merzoyan about his masters.

[Graz]

ogo oga, straight all the hands were smeared, they creaked for sure they went into the house, fed and stroked the animals after they entered the house, and they died from hunger, and the cat was euthanized, the excuses were sculpted, there was no novice, and most likely there was no poisoning at all

[artifact]

question: how many items were in the hands of the violinists after they touched the doorknob? which means that traces of a beginner should be everywhere! yes, and doesn’t a person have a natural desire to wash away sticky rubbish from his hands, that is, to neutralize WATER?

[sib.ataman]

Yes, the whole Western world has long lived according to the precepts of the 3rd Reich! Blaming everyone around (who disagrees with them) that they are subhuman, under-state, under-democracy and generally under-! Learn the motives?

[iouris]

One must understand why this topic is being raised. It doesn’t matter that the radio station in Gleivitz wasn’t "attacked" by the Poles. Around the Russian Federation in the "fraternal" (and not only) states some biological "laboratories" are based. Apparently, test tube delivery methods are being worked out.

[Slovak]

Well, since only i ... t could have organized like that, and Poroshenko was not involved, then this is only the USA and Brita

[bone1]

It was used by idots.