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Rehabilitated posthumously. "Fun Life" by Pavel Dybenko (part of 2)

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"Sailor Napoleon"


When the revolt of Kerensky and Krasnov broke out, Dybenko found himself at the center of events. That attempt to restore the power of the Provisional Government failed. At two o'clock in the morning, Trotsky, in the name of the Council of People's Commissars, sent a telegram to Petrograd: “Kerensky’s attempt to move the counter-revolutionary troops to the capital of the revolution received a decisive rebuff. Kerensky retreats, we advance. Soldiers, sailors and workers of Petrograd proved that they can and want to weapons in the hands to affirm the will and power of democracy. The bourgeoisie tried to isolate the army of revolution, Kerensky tried to break it with the power of the Cossacks. Both suffered a miserable collapse ... Revolutionary Russia and the Soviet government have the right to be proud of their Pulkovo detachment operating under the command of Colonel Valden. "

The failure of the rebellion, researcher Vasiliev, explained: “The Krasnov Cossack campaign, doomed to defeat, vividly showed the whole of Russia the weakness of the army, the colossal split of the nation and the complete demoralization of all healthy forces capable but not willing to fight. War fatigue, socialist propaganda, problems with rail transport, mistrust, and sometimes hatred of so unpopular A.F. Kerensky, are only a few reasons for the defeat of the anti-Bolshevik campaign against Petrograd.

By the way, Pavel Efimovich himself after the victory often boasted that “he personally arrested the ataman Krasnov”.
Rehabilitated posthumously. "Fun Life" by Pavel Dybenko (part of 2)

In general, that time became for Dybenko a kind of “high point”. At the end of November 1917, Lenin ordered Dybenko to take up the problem of the Constituent Assembly. Actually, Pavel Efimovich received an order to disperse the "founding". For this, Dybenko gathered several thousand sailors. In general, this army would be enough to end not only the Constituent Assembly, but also the party of Vladimir Ilyich. Perhaps such thoughts sneaked into Paul’s head, but he did not dare.

When at the beginning of January, 1918, the streets of Petrograd, poured tens of thousands of demonstrators, consisting of workers, intellectuals and garrison soldiers, Dybenko found himself in the thick of things. The people demanded democracy and the transfer of power to the Constituent Assembly. Pavel Efimovich personally ordered his sailors to open fire with machine guns at demonstrators at the corner of Nevsky Prospekt and Liteiny Prospect. But the deputies of the Constituent Assembly of Shingarev and Kokoshkin, who previously held ministerial positions in the Provisional Government, were taken by the sailors in the hospital. Here they were pinned down with bayonets.

After the liquidation of the "founding", Dybenko received enormous strength and power. He became so powerful that the top of the party began to seriously fear him. They called him "sailor Napoleon" and considered him an outsider, who accidentally enrolled into the party elite. And to control the "sailor" they assigned him Fyodor Raskolnikov, also, by the way, "sailor".

Raskolnikov, to put it mildly, had a negative attitude towards Dybenko. And he was very jealous of him. Like everyone else, he knew perfectly well that Pavel Efimovich made a dizzying career not thanks to a brilliant mind or talent, but using access to the bed of Kollontai. Of course, Fedor also wanted to be there. But it was difficult to shake Dybenko’s positions. But Raskolnikov did not give up. He constantly wrote denunciations of Dybenko, accusing him of unrestrained drunkenness and soldering of sailors. According to Raskolnikov, Dybenko thus tried to "gain cheap popularity."

But it was not the denunciations of the "faithful friend", but the character of Dybenko in 1918 that year almost brought him to execution. In February, German troops launched an active offensive. Pavel Efimovich at that time commanded a detachment of sailors near Narva.

Despite the fact that negotiations were proceeding in Brest in the meantime, the Germans wanted to finish off the tormented enemy. Military failures would have made the Bolsheviks more compliant, which means that a separate peace could be signed faster and without any requirements. It is clear that the Germans were not going to overthrow Lenin. They just had to press it to the nail.

Pavel Efimovich, barely under Narva, began to bend his line. First of all, he refused the help of the head of the Parsky defense sector, arrogantly telling him that "we will fight on our own." But arrogance let down Dybenko. In the battle of Yamburg, he was defeated. And he ran away, taking with him the remnants of the detachment. Thus, Narva, which covered the capital, was left unprotected. According to Parsky's memoirs, the abandonment of Narva occurred mainly because there was no general leadership and communication in the actions, because little or even completely unprepared troops drove into battle ineptly and they suffered unnecessary losses (the sailors suffered more than others); finally, the mood of the troops seemed to have a certain influence and the then created situation, as it were, between war and peace, which worried people and contributed to the reduction of their resilience. ”

Vladimir Ilyich Lenin in the Pravda editorial dated February 25, 1918, wrote: “This week is a bitter, insulting, hard, but necessary, useful, beneficent lesson for the party and the entire Soviet people.” Then he mentioned the “painful and shameful message about the refusal of the regiments to maintain their positions, about the refusal to defend even the Narva line, about the non-execution of the order to destroy everything and everyone during the retreat; not to mention the flight, chaos, myopia, helplessness, sloppiness ".

Dybenko with his sailors retreated to Gatchina. And here they were disarmed in early March. After a short time, he was expelled from the RCP (B.) And deprived of all posts. This decision was made at the IV-th Congress of Soviets. Then he was arrested altogether. The list of accusations was impressive: surrender of Narva, flight from positions, disobeying the command of the combat station, drunkenness, violation of discipline, and so on. The most terrible thing for Dybenko in this situation was that Kollontai did not stand up for him for the first time. But Alexandra Mikhailovna did it not on her own will, she just at that moment was powerless to help her “eagle”. The fact is that she opposed the conclusion of the Brest peace. I went, so to speak, at odds with the decision of the party. This is not forgiven even the closest. Therefore, she was removed from all posts, including from the Central Committee of the party. It is clear that Alexandra Mikhailovna could not forever be in political disgrace, but it took a sufficient amount of time to calm the situation.

True, it did not last long. When the threat of execution of the sailor became obvious, Kollontai nevertheless rushed to save him. She personally addressed Trotsky, Krylenko, Krupskaya and even Lenin. But everyone had a negative attitude towards Dybenko. Some even with undisguised cynicism and malice were interested in: “And who are you such a person under investigation?”

Alexandra Mikhailovna was in a depressed state. She even left a note in her diary that she was ready to “climb the scaffold” with Dybenko. But this idea she quickly threw back, replacing it with a desire to organize a sailor uprising. But this did not happen, although they were willing to open fire on the Kremlin. Someone advised her to legalize relations with Dybenko, they say, the legitimate wife has more chances to save him than a banal mistress. Creating a legal family for Kollontai was a real betrayal of its own principles and beliefs. And she refused everything she believed in for the sailor. Marriage notes Kollontai and Dybenko appeared in newspapers. True, nowhere was it said that this Soviet social unit was fictitious, and Pavel Efimovich hardly knew at all that he had unexpectedly become a husband.

Becoming a legitimate wife, Alexandra Mikhailovna was able to take Dybenko on bail before the trial. She personally promised that her husband would not leave the capital. According to eyewitnesses, when the sailors learned about the release of their leader, they walked for two days. Of course, together with Dybenko. And he did not call his wife for a holiday. And then completely disappeared from the capital. When Kollontai found out about Dybenko’s treachery, she fled to Petrograd, fearing arrest. Newspapers, as if competing with each other in wit, described the details of the sailor's escape in colors. Some attributed to him the theft of a lot of money, others - numerous murders.

The government, we must give him his due, tried to peacefully resolve the situation. But Dybenko reacted aggressively. Nikolai Krylenko, who conducted the case against Pavel Efimovich, nevertheless managed to contact him once and announced his arrest. And in response, he heard: “it is not yet known who will arrest anyone and whom.”

Hiding in Samara, Dybenko launched a powerful campaign in defense of his beloved. And feeling support, he behaved arrogantly even with Lenin, reminding him of "German gold." During the trial, he delivered a speech written by Kollontai: “I’m not afraid of the sentence on me, I’m afraid of the sentence on the October Revolution, on those gains that have been obtained at the cost of proletarian blood. Remember, the Robespierre terror did not save the revolution in France and didn’t protect Robespierre himself; no established norms. We all broke something ... The sailors went to die when panic and confusion reigned in Smolny ... ”. The court Dybenko won, the execution was canceled. After the meeting, the sailors carried their hero in their arms. Pavel Efimovich, having won one of the most important victories in his life, plunged into drunkenness. And what about Alexandra Mikhailovna? She suffered and worried, knowing full well that her “eagle” was having fun in the most ceremonious hangouts of Moscow.

Their marriage lasted only a few years. Pavel Efimovich diligently avoided his wife, preferring not to see her at all. And when he fled to Oryol, Kollontai gave the word to Lenin to break with the "unworthy subject."

The true dog of the revolution

Vladimir Ilyich had many reasons to shoot Dybenko. He did not even hide his negative attitude towards the sailor, but considered him a necessary and loyal dog. Therefore, in the fall, Pavel Efimovich was sent to the border between the RSFSR and, at that time, an independent Ukraine. He was assigned an important and responsible task - to gather enough forces to join the Ukrainian lands. But Dybenko was not given the high post, he became “only” the battalion commander. Then, for a short time, he took the place of the commissioner, but his career was hindered by the fact that he was expelled from the party. There was another reason - the constant conflicts with the authorities and drunken fights.

Pavel Efimovich, shaking the air with tales of a heroic past, tried to prove his “peculiarity” to everyone. By this he meant complete freedom of action without submission to anyone. This behavior, of course, was angry and annoying. Kollantai wrote in her diary like this: “Sverdlov does not hide his antipathy towards such a“ type ”as Pavel, and Lenin, in my opinion, also”.

But the leadership of the party authorities tolerated him, since it was Dybenko who was to become their main trump card in the struggle for Ukraine’s accession. Therefore, at the beginning of 1919, Pavel Efimovich suddenly became the commander of a group of troops of the Ekaterinoslav direction. By that time, the Soviet soldiers were already on the territory of the Ukrainian People’s Republic and were fighting with the Petliurists. Lenin hoped that the Ukrainian surname Pavel Efimovich (as, indeed, his origin) would help more quickly seize the territory. After all, Dybenko positioned himself as "his" commander, who led the soldiers of the Russian Republic. Soon, under the command of Pavel Efimovich, the brigades of Makhno and Grigoriev appeared.

When power was again in the hands of Dybenko, he revealed to all of himself the present. His soldiers organized pogroms, looting and drunken fights. The State Archive of the Russian Federation stores a message from the Bolsheviks from Nikolaev, addressed to the government of Soviet Ukraine. In it, they asked to take measures against Pavel Efimovich and bring him to justice for the “Kupyan events” and “riot in Lugansk”. Dybenko was also accused of numerous executions "without trial" and liquidation of the Bolshevik revolutionary committee.

But Dybenko and his fighters got away with it. Hiding behind the fight against the enemies, he arrested more than fifty left Social Revolutionaries and anarchists from Yekaterinoslav, ordered the closure of the Left Socialist-Revolutionary newspaper "Struggle". After the ban, propaganda lectures by anarchists were also banned. Pavel Efimovich played the main role in the arrest of the participants of the district Alexander Congress of Soviets.

When the party elite, located in Moscow, once again received information about the antics of Dybenko, nevertheless decided to create an investigative commission. Contributed to this, of course, and the inspection, which was conducted by Lev Kamenev. In his report, he pointed out that "Dybenko's army feeds itself." Simply put, Pavel Efimovich and his soldiers robbed the peasants, seized trains with fodder, bread, coal and other things. Moreover, these trains were sent just to Russia. That’s what a special commission should have done. Pavel Efimovich understood that he would face severe punishment for the looting of state property. But ... he was again lucky. May 1919, for the Bolsheviks turned out to be difficult, so the "self-indulgence" of his dog really just gave up. And then completely forgotten with them.

As soon as Pavel Efimovich realized that the payment for “voluntary or involuntary” sins was once again postponed, as the terrible awareness of the inevitable loss of the Crimea broke out. The White Guards were able to capture Melitopol. And that meant that they could now cut off the peninsula from Soviet territory. In addition, the soldiers of Jacob Slaschov won on the Kerch isthmus and thus opened the way for Denikin to Sevastopol and to Simferopol.

In late June, the red elite and the army began a mass flight from the Crimea in the direction of Perekop-Kherson. Together with all the position and passed Dybenko. Of course, he did not change his principles. His behavior - cowardly aggression - affected his own soldiers. The detachment of Pavel Efimovich was struck by a rapidly developing tumor of desertion. In the end, when the remnants of his squad collided with a small Cossack squad, they simply fled. Kherson, in fact, was given to white. It is not difficult to imagine what Dybenko felt then. In a short time he lost everything: the peninsula and the army.

The situation is tense. The detachments of Makhno (they had already begun to fight against all), to which the deserters Dybenko, in fact, fled, restrained the whites' attack. Makhno even turned to Pavel Efimovich for help, offering to open a common “red” front and forget the old offenses, but ... the sailor had no time for that. Alternating drunkenness with bouts of depression, he was able to take up positions in Nikolaev with the remnants of his army. And here, instead of showing foresight and political flexibility, Dybenko began to “work” according to the old scenario. Simply put, he again decided to "build." Pavel Efimovich began to openly conflict with the local authorities and the townspeople, whom his soldiers frankly robbed and beat.

For a long time this could not go on. Dybenko is still arrested. For several days he was under arrest, once again, awaiting capital punishment. While he was in prison, many of his subordinates, in fear, went over to the side of Makhno. And they began to fight both with white and red. Without a doubt, the authorities of Nikolaev wanted to end Dybenko once and for all, but ... First, he was sent from Moscow. Secondly, he was, though disgraced, but still a hero of the revolution. Therefore, just because he could not shoot, especially on the orders of provincial town governors. When they learned about Dybenko’s arrest in the capital, they sent the order for his release to Nikolaev. Pavel Efimovich was at liberty, however, removed from all his posts. But he was hardly upset. The realization that retaliation is being postponed again has definitely become a cure for all “ills” for him.

Already in the fall of 1919, Pavel Efimovich, by order from above, turned out to be in Moscow. Soon he was enrolled in the Academy of the General Staff of the Red Army. But after a short time, Dybenko unexpectedly received the position of chief of the 37 th infantry division. Fate was once again favorable to the "sailor". He managed to distinguish himself during the liberation of Tsaritsin, took part in the victory of the Reds over Denikin’s army in the North Caucasus, and fought against Wrangel and the Makhnovists. After that, he became a junior student at the Red Army Military Academy.

Spring was coming 1921 of the year - the time of the next "high point" Dybenko.

To be continued ...
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  1. Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 14 2018 07: 48
    +2
    Under Narva, he showed his failure. And then cruelty and debauchery. But still a time for change. Where just did not emerge.
    1. Titsen
      Titsen April 16 2018 05: 49
      +2
      Quote: Korsar4
      Under Narva, he showed his failure. And then cruelty and debauchery. But still a time for change. Where just did not emerge.


      You read these notes and understand that no one will know the truth!

      But the henchmen of foreign agents have come up!

      And there is only one goal - to destroy Russia by slandering history!
  2. K.A.S.
    K.A.S. April 14 2018 09: 37
    +10
    I read the adventures of this subject and marvel at the gentleness of tsarism! we were constantly told about the kings of tyrants! Sailor of the Soviet Navy. the most popular country in the world could not do the same tricks that Dybenko did as a sailor of the beast of RI? I could rather say, but not for long!

    you read biographies such as Dybenko and ask the question where is the tyranny of the king?
    1. kalibr
      kalibr April 14 2018 14: 59
      +5
      I really like the description of Lenin’s link to Siberia. So the king punished him so cruelly, just some kind of horror!
      1. Curious
        Curious April 14 2018 21: 39
        +5
        Not otherwise than envy Ilyich.
        1. Mikado
          Mikado April 15 2018 00: 01
          +2
          and what, Ilyich lost weight? Or dragged logs? laughing he generally had a great life! fellow drinks
          1. Curious
            Curious April 15 2018 00: 29
            +3
            About whether a person gorgeously spent his life or not, only he can say. Very often, that which glitters from the side, upon closer examination, is not gold.
            1. Mikado
              Mikado April 15 2018 00: 54
              +2
              summer .. hut .. fishing in Razliv .. What else is needed for a good vacation! drinks
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid April 15 2018 07: 52
                +2
                Nikolai, good morning! And as in France, it was Lenin! And another one smiled at me ----- that you envy Lenin. White envy .. This leads to different thoughts. Good luck to you and new articles!
                1. Mikado
                  Mikado April 15 2018 18: 38
                  +2
                  And another one smiled at me ----- that you envy Lenin. White envy .. This leads to different thoughts.

                  Dmitry, good evening! That you, I do not envy at all, I have completely different life values ​​and aspirations! But in France, I think, he really was even better. what new articles .. lots of plans, lots of outlines, no inspiration often .. recourse But spring has come! drinks
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    2. Arakius
      Arakius April 18 2018 03: 11
      +2
      Sailor of the Soviet Navy. the most popular country in the world could not do the same tricks that Dybenko did as a sailor of the beast of RI? I could rather say, but not for long!

      But what is Soviet, the "most democratic country in the world" of Great Britain in those days for such tricks a military man relied on a hemp tie on his neck, no less
  3. Dashing
    Dashing April 14 2018 11: 50
    +4
    Truly said: "G ... but does not sink!" Modern power is full to the brim with such "sailors" who have got into it through anything, but not through labor and ability.
  4. polpot
    polpot April 14 2018 12: 14
    +5
    To whom war is to whom mother is dear, only the end of all the "fiery" revolutionaries was one or a bullet from enemies or from comrades
    1. antivirus
      antivirus April 14 2018 12: 33
      +1
      all who went to the revolution (not only to the army) - were already ready for death and completely abandon the old laws and traditions
  5. iva12936
    iva12936 April 14 2018 14: 40
    +2
    Yeah, unfortunately he was not the only one ...
  6. Looking for
    Looking for April 14 2018 15: 04
    +6
    I would like to ask the Jewish-White Guard trash, but three !!!! he appropriated orders of the red banner to himself or what?
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    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich April 15 2018 05: 47
      +3
      Quote: Seeker
      I would like to ask the Jewish-White Guard trash, but three !!!! he appropriated orders of the red banner to himself or what?

      Didn’t you read the article? They were hung by a member of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks, Kollontai, for their excellent achievements. In the bed.
      For the same successes she saved from execution. yes [B] [/ b]
  7. Monarchist
    Monarchist April 14 2018 15: 25
    +4
    I look at the portrait of Dybenko and think: for what merit he was awarded the Order of the Red Banner three times? Judge for yourself: if you discard his reprisals against officers, there are inconsistencies, but drunkenness, robberies, executions of peaceful demonstrators, this is hardly welcomed in any society.
    It’s just about such people that they say “well done against sheep, and against a well done sheep too”: met with regular Kaiser troops and tear, met strong-willed adversary J. Slaschev or tear again.
  8. Monarchist
    Monarchist April 14 2018 15: 33
    0
    Quote: antivirus
    all who went to the revolution (not only to the army) - were already ready for death and completely abandon the old laws and traditions

    It depends on which revolutionaries: Perovskaya and S. Lazo, T. Salomata, Kaplan, Makhno, Dybenko, Yagoda, Trotsky, they are all revolutionaries, but some are worth a minimum of understanding, and the other
  9. Alexander Greene
    Alexander Greene April 14 2018 16: 20
    +8
    The continuation of the article is also a minus. As expected in the discussion of the first part, the author did not bring anything new in the second part. He continued to multiply the myth that Dybenko was a mediocre leader, moreover, a coward and a drunkard, who, at the head of the same drunken sailors, fled from under Narva.
    The author continues to rehash V. Rezun’s fabrications from the book “Cleansing,” the author even preserved Rezun’s vocabulary, continuing to contemptuously call Dybenko a “sailor” in order to somehow diminish his significance.
    Dybenko was not a "sailor", he was a real revolutionary sailor, who was then figuratively called the albatross of the revolution. He was a courageous, broad-minded, slightly reckless, unsophisticated bastard who did not know how to weave intrigue. Yes, he could have a drink, he could give someone a snout, but he was honest, and therefore enjoyed great authority among sailors, they chose him as their leader, he became chairman of the Central Baltic. Without his signature, the sailors did not execute any order of the fleet commander. But why the fleet, the sailors and orders of Lenin without the consent of Dybenko did not execute.
    Dybenko with the sailors was the main striking force of the October Revolution and its main defense in the first days and weeks. Therefore, his appointment to the post of People’s Commissariat for Defense is logical. But his daring, with a touch of anarchism frightened some of the leaders of the Bolsheviks and all sorts of intrigues laced against him.
    His takeoff did not give rest to former officers and generals who went over to the side of the revolution. The same Parsky wrote a telegram after a telegram to Petrograd, slandering Dybenko. He set up Dybenko, not supporting the advance of the sailors who fought near the village of Ivviv all day and all night on March 2 in severe frost and deep snow, which made it difficult to move forward, but the sailors still pressed the German units. However, the Germans entered reserves and went from the flank, sailors, having suffered heavy losses, had to retreat.
    At the same time, despite all of Dybenko’s requests, the attack did not support the people or the artillery, and when the detachment of sailors was bloodless and exhausted in a heavy battle, he again sent them into battle, setting a new impossible task.
    On the Internet, everything that lies about Narva and Dybenko lies, Dybenko did not run anywhere. After the battle, a military meeting took place, where, without any observance of subordination, he expressed to Parsky everything that he thought, he was already distorted, and he immediately sent a telegram to Petrograd to his friend General Bonch-Bruevich to remove Dybenko from command. Dybenko obeyed the order and surrendered his command, sending a telegram to Petrograd: "I handed over the affairs to His Excellency General Parsky." Together with Dybenko, the remnants of the sailor detachment also left.
    According to the telegram from Parsky, who blamed all the failures near Narva, the sailors were disarmed, and a criminal case was opened on Dybenko. Serious intrigues were spinning around him, there were not a few envious ones, and he, like a huge, ingenuous child, could not resist them, only thundered in his thunderous voice, aggravating his position. But despite this, he continued to carry out his duties, participated in organizing the Baltic Fleet’s ice transition from Helsingfors to Kronshtadt, and helped guard the train with the Soviet government when moving to Moscow ....
    The military tribunal, having examined the Dybenko case, fully acquitted him.
    1. K.A.S.
      K.A.S. April 14 2018 18: 13
      +5
      You said that the author uses the fabrications of V. Rezun from the book “Cleansing”, the author even preserved Rezun’s vocabulary, continuing to contemptuously call Dybenko “sailor” in order to somehow diminish its significance.
      Well, you use the agitation of the Soviet period. when instead of business qualities and somehow concealing nonprofessionalism, the mental abilities and moral qualities of the leaders of the revolution used the following cliches:
      a real revolutionary sailor, albatross of the revolution. a courageous, broad-minded, slightly reckless, ingenuous bastard who did not know how to weave intrigue.
      Then comes the enumeration of the weaknesses of the “great personality” Yes, he could drink, he could give to the snout who should Then comes another praise:
      but he was honest, and therefore enjoyed great authority among sailors, they chose him as their leader
      I present the opinion and attitude of professionals to this subject:His take-off haunted former officers and generals who went over to the side of the revolution.

      participated in the organization of the Baltic Fleet ice passage from Helsingfors to Kronstadhow are you? Latrine scuffed? Can you imagine what the fleet is and how can an ignoramus participate in the transition?
      If my sclerosis does not fail me, then the tribunal was true of many executioners who shlopatali bullet from the leader such as Tukhachevsky or Yakir! and if tomorrow there will be another tribunal and they will be charged?
      The military court, did not find out about the American language? Ksati lack of knowledge of the American language
      at 49 years old allows you to judge the mental level of development of Dybenko!
      1. Alexander Greene
        Alexander Greene April 15 2018 00: 51
        +2
        Quote: K.A.S.
        ... he could drink, he could give to the snout who should ...

        I wonder what Soviet agitation did you see?

        Quote: K.A.S.
        participated in the organization of the Baltic Fleet ice passage from Helsingfors to Kronstadt how did you participate? Latrine scuffed? Can you imagine what the fleet is and how can an ignoramus participate in the transition?

        Firstly, to participate in the organization of the ice passage does not mean that you need to stand on the bridge or in the engine room. He organized and coordinated the release of icebreakers, coordinated the supply of ships with fuel, specified the timing, etc. Secondly, where did you get it. that Dybenko is unlearned? He was a ship specialist, and by that time he had 7 years of service on ships. And that means a lot. Thirdly, on the account of my ideas about the fleet, look at my registration, it says that I am a former sailor.

        Quote: K.A.S.
        Ksati ignorance of the American language in 49 years allows you to judge the mental level of development of Dybenko!

        V. Rezun also came up with an “American” language, the idea was probably inspired by a plot from a film from the 70s. about Sergo Ordzhonikidze. There, at one of the meetings, Sergo separated two people from the People’s Commissariat, the secretary of the party bureau insisted on writing technical literature in American, and one of the advisers to Orzhonikidze, an old-mode professor, emotionally replied that such a language does not exist. Then Sergo wisely acted, advised one to study, and the other to be a little more tolerant of those who are less literate.
        1. Arakius
          Arakius April 18 2018 04: 15
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Green
          He was a ship specialist, and by that time he had 7 years of service on ships. And that means a lot. Thirdly, on the account of my ideas about the fleet, look at my registration, it says that I am a former sailor.

          I apologize for interfering in your discussion. As the current sailor, I cannot but ask: what position did you occupy in the navy? Because the idea that an ordinary sailor (okay - a bailer) after 7 years of service as a sailor can solve the issues of navigation and control of the vessel somewhat ..... amazing
    2. sxfRipper
      sxfRipper April 14 2018 23: 32
      +4
      OK! You accuse the author of a rehash of Suvorov. And where do you get the information that you so generously hung from here?
      1. Alexander Greene
        Alexander Greene April 15 2018 00: 53
        +1
        Quote: sxfRipper
        OK! You accuse the author of a rehash of Suvorov. And where do you get the information that you so generously hung from here?

        And you spend the Internet, you will also find what I wrote. There, of course, there is a lot of rubbish rehashing V. Rezun in different ways, but there are also sensible things, for example, dissertations dedicated to Dybenko, recollections of the granddaughter of Dybenko.
        1. sxfRipper
          sxfRipper April 15 2018 07: 07
          +1
          practical things, for example dissertations on Dybenko, recollections of the granddaughter of Dybenko
          Do not make me laugh, huh?
          1. Alexander Greene
            Alexander Greene April 15 2018 13: 06
            0
            Quote: sxfRipper
            practical things, for example dissertations on Dybenko, recollections of the granddaughter of Dybenko
            Do not make me laugh, huh?

            What? Did not find? Or just don't believe it? Look better, or you’re used to the freebie that V. Rezun and others like you throw to him, you will find, read, and you can start thinking.
    3. Mikado
      Mikado April 14 2018 23: 59
      +4
      Dybenko obeyed the order and surrendered his command, sending a telegram to Petrograd: "I handed over the affairs to His Excellency General Parsky." Together with Dybenko, the remnants of the sailor detachment also left.

      Alexander, you surprise me, with all due respect to you. It's great to run away from the front at the head of the "little brothers." It is very patriotic and ideological. (sarcasm)
      By the way, Parsky wrote good things about normal parts. Tell you the name of the person who commanded the best battery, according to Parsky? Ahaha, I will say. wink The best was the battery Shpakovsky. good
      Alexander, then Dybenko will be shot. How will you sculpt from a cherub of a traitor to the Motherland? laughing
      And everything was much simpler. He was just a child of the Revolution. As it is. And any revolution brings to the pedestals far from the best people. hi Most often these are gorlopan adventurers, whom they later get rid of. Because they only gulp and know how. Only before this was done on the podium, now such individuals write about their "victories", former and imaginary, in social networks, like young girls. negative I will not give examples.
      1. Alexander Greene
        Alexander Greene April 15 2018 01: 08
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        Quote: Mikado
        It's great to run away from the front at the head of the "little brothers." It is very patriotic and ideological. (sarcasm)

        Well, where did you get that Dybenko escaped? A telegram arrived from Bonch-Bruyevich, recalling him to Petrograd, he did not want to leave, but he had to obey. The remnants of a broken detachment of sailors left with him.
        Quote: Mikado
        Alexander, then Dybenko will be shot. How will you sculpt from a cherub of a traitor to the Motherland?

        Of course, Dybenko made a lot of mistakes, he was removed from the command of the Leningrad District for negligence, during the exercises there was an unsuccessful airborne landing in bad weather, as a result of the "throwing of 999 paratroopers, 59 fighters and paratroopers were injured, including 4 killed and 8 people hip fractures, 3 of them with shrapnel fractures, 6 people with concussion, 5 cases of sprains, 5 dislocations, in the remaining 30 cases - slight bruises and sprains ... "In addition, he discredited himself by asking American representatives to receive help retire to your sister living in America. Yes, and he abused drinking. And in the NKVD there were those who were interested in making him a spy, by the way not American, as Rezun writes.
        The time will come, and they will deal with all this impartially, having cleaned the chaff from the husk ..
        1. sxfRipper
          sxfRipper April 15 2018 07: 10
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          In addition, he discredited himself by asking American representatives to help retire his sister, who lives in America.
          And what position did he hold? Janitor at Housing Office No. 2? Maintenance worker at the store? Or...
          1. Alexander Greene
            Alexander Greene April 15 2018 13: 08
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            Quote: sxfRipper
            And what position did he hold? Janitor at Housing Office No. 2? Maintenance worker at the store? Or...

            If you want to be understood, explain more precisely what you want to hear.
    4. Mikado
      Mikado April 15 2018 00: 15
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      Serious intrigues were spinning around him, there were not a few envious ones, and he, like a huge, ingenuous child, could not resist them, only thundered in his thunderous voice, aggravating his position. But in spite of this, he continued to fulfill his duties, participated in organizing the Baltic Fleet’s ice transition from Helsingfors to Kronstadt, and helped guard the train with the Soviet government when moving to Moscow ....

      yeah, an ingenuous voluptuous child. There is nowhere more voluptuous. It seems the saying "poured and threw"appeared in Russian as a result of his parting with exalted Kollontai.
      The transition seems to have Schastny organized. And the likes of Raskolnikov and Dybenko then could only shout incendiary slogans, the masses stir up the revolutionary. Ah, yes .. still knew how to "sailor" laughing Yes, what is there with Raskolnikov? how did he surrender a detachment of ships without firing a shot? Avtroil, Spartak? This is how the distant Latin American state of Peru got hold of two Novik-class destroyers after a while! fellow
      1. sxfRipper
        sxfRipper April 15 2018 11: 17
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        The transition seems to have Schastny organized.
        Exactly! For which he was shot on June 22, 1918 at the verdict of the Revolutionary Tribunal.
        1. Alexander Greene
          Alexander Greene April 15 2018 13: 21
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          Quote: sxfRipper
          The transition seems to have Schastny organized.
          Exactly! For which he was shot on June 22, 1918 at the verdict of the Revolutionary Tribunal.

          Well, what kind of primitive? So in the communal kitchen, when two neighbors quarreled, the third one started ....
          One of Schastny’s accusations was that he led counter-revolutionary campaigns in the Council of Fleet Commissars and disturbed the sailors of the Baltic Fleet, allegedly having a secret agreement with the German government about the destruction of the fleet or surrender to the Germans.
          1. Mikado
            Mikado April 15 2018 18: 46
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            One of Schastny’s accusations was that he led counter-revolutionary campaigns in the Council of Fleet Commissars and disturbed the sailors of the Baltic Fleet, allegedly having a secret agreement with the German government about the destruction of the fleet or surrender to the Germans.

            Do not forget that Schastny was a talented officer with his own idea of ​​honor and conscience. But in the Crimea didn’t they surrender to the Germans? Surrendered, and not to someone there big and scary, but boat flotillas Muket - the former headquarters of Emden. Therefore, when the "Goeben" entered Sevastopol, on our battleships Kaiser flags were already fluttering with might and main! request Yes, and the reaction from Schastny is normal, if it was. Over the past year, I've seen enough of different things and the “leadership of the new bosses”, consisting of various “commissars” because of the former Pale of Settlement and unbelted sailor brothers. hi
            One of Schastny’s accusations

            they could write whatever they wanted. In the thirties, any of us could be soldered that he was a Japanese-Paraguayan spy, moreover, most of us would admit it! request An alternative story, a little: but maybe, really Trotsky wanted to surrender the fleet, and make peace? Well, if the Germans would have received a fleet, the war would continue, and the fire of revolution would spread to Europe. Who knew this Trotsky? In his head, the “world revolution” was in the air! hi
            1. Alexander Greene
              Alexander Greene April 15 2018 21: 15
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              Quote: Mikado
              But in the Crimea didn’t they surrender to the Germans? They handed over, and not to someone big and scary there, but to the flotilla of boats Muke - the former old commander of Emden. Therefore, when the "Goeben" entered Sevastopol, on our battleships Kaiser flags were already fluttering with might and main!

              Why distort so?
              You know all the circumstances associated with the Black Sea Fleet. The Brest Treaty was not even mentioned about the Black Sea Fleet, but the Central Council invited the Germans to Ukraine and there was a threat of a joint capture of Crimea. The Soviet government, so that the Germans did not get the fleet, proposed to take him to Novorossiysk, where he was flooded. But part of the fleet as a result of the betrayal of Captain 1st Rank Tikhmenev and Admiral Sablin returned to Sevastopol, who surrendered ships to the Germans, and then continued to serve in the White Army.
              And then the Bolsheviks?
          2. sxfRipper
            sxfRipper April 15 2018 22: 55
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            It is for this Shchastnoy and shot. I tore off, Panimash, the agreement by organizing the transition.
            1. Alexander Greene
              Alexander Greene April 16 2018 02: 11
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              Quote: sxfRipper
              It’s for this Schastny that they shot him. I tore off, Panimash, the agreement by organizing the transition.

              What nonsense is that?
              On February 15, 1918, at a meeting of the Council of People's Commissars, Dybenko made the Report “On the Strategic Situation at Sea in the Event of Germany’s Active Actions,” according to which it was decided to instruct the Collegiums of the Maritime Commissariat and the Central Baltic to relocate the Baltic Fleet from Revel and Helsingfors to Kronshtadt, and urgently urged to withdraw the ships. Most of the officers who remained on the ships, including the fleet commander Schastny, sabotaged this order with all their might, said that no transfer was possible - which they did not offer: to transfer the ships abroad for scrapping, disarm them and put them under the protection of neutral states. Many hoped that Sovestkaya would soon collapse and the Germans would then return the captured ships to a new Russia, but without the Bolsheviks. But the sailors and officers who supported the Soviet power saved the fleet from captivity.
    5. kan123
      kan123 April 15 2018 18: 52
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      He was no "albatross of the revolution." Therefore, I got into this company with Lev Davydych - he was not taken anywhere else.
      You do not understand that in those days, people were divided into two categories - skin or not skin. Man served the revolution, or did not serve the people. According to this principle, Stalin selected people - the Budyonny people did not abandon, although they were doomed, and Voroshilov did not abandon the people, donated Donbass, in a doomed state - they went to death, did not spare their skins. In the second company, Trotsky’s people gathered — Tukhachevsky, Dybenko, and others who remember this bastard — and more soldiers and Red Army commanders and people died on this policy than from whites. Therefore, they did not fall into the leadership, workers and peasants, except through Tukhochevsky - Trotsky. And resp. in difficult times before the war with Hitler, they all remembered their art, both in the Red Army and in the population, in the civilian, during the great purges. It was - inevitably - it was "People are rats" or "not our people" as the unforgettable Joseph Vissarionich Stalin claimed. And against Stalin, we will not go.
      1. Moskovit
        Moskovit April 16 2018 06: 57
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        You fought in those days to talk so confidently about Civil?
        And about Stalin's cleaning of the officers before the war, I trust the words of Marshal Konev. To the direct question of Konstantin Simonov, he replied that in his opinion they were harmful and weakened the Red Army.
  10. Roman 11
    Roman 11 April 14 2018 23: 20
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    I support, the author biased announced. Such articles do not have seriousness, some kind of kindergarten. If you expand the topic, then along and across, all doubts and white spots outward, sorting out in detail.

    I do not consider him a brilliant commander, but the commander of this rank just did not work out. All the same, and was held in high esteem, and gained experience ..... although of course, there were looting and other crimes. But who did not have them then? Didn't the famous Budyonny case deal with crimes? Both red and white, and gray-brown-raspberry, all then came off on the most defenseless - on the peasantry.

    Why doesn't the author of the photo sign? 2nd, in my opinion, Dybenko and Fedko against the background of the defeated Kronstadt.

    And here is the disgraced Dybenko in the fall of 1937 - the commander of the Leningrad Military District. His eyes are sad, because his leader called him a fool.

    1. kan123
      kan123 April 15 2018 18: 33
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      “Dignity” at Dybenko was only one. This is his authority in the "South - Russian" provinces. Lenin wrote that without the Ukrainians, he would have to go to emigration again, at some periods during the creation of the Country of Soviets. Therefore, such people rose very high, at that time, in order to become some sort of museum director, and Trotsky raised these people, developed the topic - because they voted in gratitude for him, and the military could give their lives for Lev Davydych, as the same Tukhochevsky.
      It was all wonderful for Lev Davydych, but caused a mess, with the same army of anarchy, with commanders who did not care whom to serve, in the thirties. Secondly, they didn’t just “badly fight” but fought against each other, they had accounts for them since the 20s, the Civil War, the entire Red Army, and almost everyone who stopped by military affairs, from the leadership, was already on the slap list, from the civil war. It was for such "achievements" that Dybenko received orders - medals from the Commander-in-Chief of Trotsky, and post-war honors, and resp. a bullet at the end of the corridor, but these were not achievements, but rather "art."
  11. kan123
    kan123 April 15 2018 18: 19
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    Dybenko even according to his track record, the usual "authority - adventurer" - there were many of those in that war, starting with Lev Davydych. Their difference is that one represented the Mensheviks — practically all the officers and engineers of the Republic of Ingushetia whom Lenin hired to save the country — they did not want to directly serve the workers and peasants of Lenin, but through Trotsky’s “democracy” this was not very bastard. And Dubenko - obviously - the representative of sailors, southern Russian provinces. He was more important in some periods of the creation of the Red Army than even Trotsky, because his sailors, all sorts of Grigorenko, and Vasilenko, could endure Vl. Ilyich, simple-minded, at the end of 1917, in 1918, just as the Czechoslovakians took out all of Siberia in one corps, the times were wonderful, and people like Dybenko played a role.
    To his regret, he turned out - to everything else. He had power, but had the stupidity of “resisting the majority in the party” - such wording, in wartime, is called betrayal - hereinafter a short trial, and a slap. From the execution he was saved by the Commander-in-Chief Trotsky himself — his usual visits — to be sentenced to death — then to “have mercy” —that he "bought" people with giblets. What Khrushchev later adopted. As a result, as always, such people fell under the roof of Trotsky and Tukhachevsky and their company.

    The reason for the trial was Narva, that at that time, a stupid accusation - only those men who constantly protested on the knees, against the German car, until it fell apart, in September eighteen - did not fight - because it was useless to fight, with regular units Germans, these unformed units, and even the "commander" with three classes, without rear, without interaction, without front.
    This Dybenko was an ordinary muddy type, who rose in chaos and did not show himself in the end
    1. Alexander Greene
      Alexander Greene April 15 2018 22: 36
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      Quote: kan123
      This Dybenko was an ordinary muddy type, who rose in chaos and did not show himself in the end

      How do you all want to belittle Dybenko. You can not forgive him for the origin of the fact that from ordinary sailors he rose to the people's commissar. But at that time no one else could subjugate the sailor's anarchist freemen to Bolshevik ideas.
      The muddy type would never have received the recognition and respect of the sailors, but the role of the Central Ball in the October Revolution and in protecting it in the early days cannot be overestimated, the fleet allocated more than 10 sailors for the seizure of power by the Petrograd Soviet.
      In the civil war, at the beginning they were given a division formed of the ataman Grigoriev and Makhno, who, apart from Dybenko, could cope with them and subordinate them to the common task that the Soviet command set?
      Frunze himself brought him to work in the People’s Commissariat as the head of the Artillery Directorate, where he participated in the development of the first program of military shipbuilding ...
      So you should not say in vain that Dybenko did not show himself.
      1. sxfRipper
        sxfRipper April 15 2018 23: 00
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        You can not forgive him for the origin of the fact that from ordinary sailors he rose to the people's commissar.
        Appointed him Commissar. Appointed. For the position. And nothing more. And the origin? Who was Stalin by origin? AND? And who became?
        The muddy type would never receive the recognition and respect of sailors
        It was the muddy type that gained recognition and respect from the crowd of the same muddy types, before which sending to the German front loomed.
        1. Alexander Greene
          Alexander Greene April 16 2018 02: 33
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          Quote: sxfRipper
          It was the muddy type that gained recognition and respect from the crowd of the same muddy types, before which sending to the German front loomed.

          Sorry, but otherwise, as an evil stupidity, this thesis cannot be called otherwise.
      2. kan123
        kan123 April 18 2018 12: 15
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        Grigorenko Makhno and Dybenko. A good company picked up. That's the whole answer, who were the commanders of this type. Well, they still had some sort of anarchist thinking, like Makhno, but basically, it was a bastard, because it was sold to anyone and for anything. They help in civilian life, and after them only - at the expense of unusable personnel.
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