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When will the tests of a super-heavy rocket begin? President told

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On Cosmonautics Day, the Russian President visited the VDNH pavilion related to space issues. Today, the opening of the Cosmonautics and aviation».


Being at the Exhibition of Economic Achievements, Vladimir Putin spoke about plans to begin testing the latest domestic super-heavy rocket. According to the president, the trials will begin in 2028 year.

When will the tests of a super-heavy rocket begin? President told


President of the Russian Federation:
Super heavy rocket, the first test is planned in 10 years. We need to simultaneously create a platform for such a rocket.

Earlier it was reported that plans for sending spacecraft to Mars and more distant planets could be realized with the help of a promising extra-heavy rocket.

The new center "Cosmonautics and Aviation" at VDNKh officially opens its doors to visitors from tomorrow.

The press service of Roskosmos informs that this is a project implemented in cooperation with the VDNKh JSC, ORKK JSC, the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation, the Government of Moscow, Rostec Group of Companies, PJSC UAC, etc.

From the message press service:
In the historic building - the famous pavilion "Cosmos", built in 1939 year, the creation of a unique world-class multifunctional exhibition and educational center is being completed. 28 enterprises of the rocket-space and aviation industries take part in the creation of the exposition. 118 exhibits have already been installed at the Center, including unique large-size mock-ups and full-scale samples of space technology - the Almaz automatic orbital station, the MIR orbital complex, rocket engines, the MAKS aerospace system, as well as the most significant projects of Russian cosmonautics . In addition, visitors can see a sample of the lunar soil of the GEOKHI RAS, delivered by the Soviet space station Luna-16 and Luna-20, as well as the Vostok descent vehicle, provided for temporary display - it was the first time in Russia was exhibited at the ROSCOSMOS exposition in the Multimedia Art Museum. The formation of a multimedia center for cosmonautics and aviation continues - ROSKOSMOS enterprises (Khrunichev Center, RCS, TsENKI, NPO Energomash, NII KP, NPO Lavochkina, RSC Energia) plan to transfer to the new museum a number of technological samples, components and assemblies of rocket and space technology.
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  1. Voyager
    Voyager April 12 2018 16: 25
    +6
    Horror, 10 years and this is the minimum ...
    1. Monos
      Monos April 12 2018 16: 27
      +28
      Happy Cosmonautics Day, friends!
      Thanks to these two people for this holiday!
      1. Proxima
        Proxima April 12 2018 16: 34
        +28
        Quote: Monos
        Happy Cosmonautics Day, friends!
        Thanks to these two people for this holiday!

        They would not have done anything if these two no less great people had not tried! Space exploration is the quintessence of the technogenic power of the state. They just provided us with this power!
        In the 53rd, Stalin dies, after him jumps into the grave of Beria, and after 4 years we are already launching the world's first Sputnik !. There are no miracles in the world! All a Happy Holiday! drinks
        1. Archivist Vasya
          Archivist Vasya April 12 2018 17: 12
          +2
          What a pity they did not see the result for which they fought so much time. Still happy holiday drinks
          1. Proxima
            Proxima April 12 2018 17: 22
            +2
            Quote: Archivist Vasya
            What a pity they did not see the result for which they fought so much time. Still happy holiday drinks

            Thank God they are many results of their labors fellow managed to see. Here is an example belay
            1. Dezinto
              Dezinto April 12 2018 17: 34
              +8
              managed to see. Here is an example

              And what is a bad result of work? Then for decades, half the globe wanted to see such a result. And they did. And it's good that we are only in empty fields on trials. And someone just took two cities with just residents bombed. Well, just for the test. So we are thanks to these achievements and still live.

              But "there" already outlined plans for "testing" even more miraculous .... and indeed they would not blink an eye, too.!

            2. Proxima
              Proxima April 12 2018 17: 39
              +4
              Quote: Proxima
              Quote: Archivist Vasya
              What a pity they did not see the result for which they fought so much time. Still happy holiday drinks

              Thank God they are many results of their labors fellow managed to see. Here is an example

              ..or here - the MiG-15 is the most mass fighter in the history of jet aviation fellow Everything that was created before him in overnight turned into aviation trash negative
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh April 12 2018 17: 57
                +10
                In the English engine ... But the plane is excellent.
                1. MMX
                  MMX April 12 2018 19: 06
                  +9
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  In the English engine ... But the plane is excellent.


                  Let's just say that our engine is based on the English engine. Otherwise, juggling the facts.
                  1. AID.S
                    AID.S April 13 2018 07: 52
                    +2
                    Quote: MMX
                    Let's just say that our engine is based on the English engine.

                    All our industrialization was at the expense of the “English engine”.
                2. Setrac
                  Setrac April 12 2018 20: 28
                  +7
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  In the English engine ... But the plane is excellent.

                  It’s not for you to talk about this, you have not only the entire industry from behind the hill, but your very state - Israel - on the "Soviet engine".
                3. Simargl
                  Simargl April 13 2018 13: 02
                  0
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  In the English engine ...
                  Merkava - a heavily redesigned M-60, a German gun ... but the tank is pretty, yes (the latter especially).
        2. MelkorAintGood
          MelkorAintGood April 12 2018 17: 49
          +2
          Well then, Korolev in the Gulag was sitting under his beloved Stalin, and even with Tupolev himself?) Normally, the staff was treated, right?
          1. avt
            avt April 12 2018 19: 58
            +6
            Quote: MelkorAintGood
            Well then Korolev in the Gulag was sitting under his beloved Stalin

            Well, firstly - in no
            Quote: MelkorAintGood
            Gulag
            He did not sit, nor did he
            Quote: MelkorAintGood
            together with Tupolev himself

            If it were smart enough not to use the chewing gum chewed by Solzhenitsyn yet, then at least they would know HOW the abbreviation -GULAG is deciphered. Tupolev didn’t sit in the camps at all, and with his comrades in a sharashka on Radio Street, for quite economic crimes — with the “open account” the costs were such — they didn’t pay off with any devices, well, this is apart from political denunciations. Further, it’s like about the King himself, who really reeled off in full - “washed a gold coin”, thanks again to questions on the criterion of “cost-effectiveness” and ...... denunciations of associates, including future ones on space exploration. There were such times - ,, Iron Age, iron hearts. "BUT they corresponded to them and really made a fairy tale come true.
            Quote: MelkorAintGood
            Normally the frames were handled, right?

            Yes . They found the courage not only to return from hard labor, but also to apologize, as Stalin did with Axel Berg, and having put to the point, to listen carefully. There were no effective managers, all-knowing as they should, then there was a path that was unbeaten.
        3. RUSS
          RUSS April 12 2018 21: 05
          +1
          Quote: Proxima
          Quote: Monos
          Happy Cosmonautics Day, friends!
          Thanks to these two people for this holiday!

          They would not have done anything if these two no less great people had not tried! Space exploration is the quintessence of the technogenic power of the state. They just provided us with this power!
          In the 53rd, Stalin dies, after him jumps into the grave of Beria, and after 4 years we are already launching the world's first Sputnik !. There are no miracles in the world! All a Happy Holiday! drinks

          Well, how on this forum then without Him laughing , but for some reason no one remembered Tsialkovsky.
        4. Plate
          Plate April 13 2018 12: 31
          +1
          Everybody tried. Each in its own direction. And everyone did their job perfectly well! Happy Cosmonautics Day (albeit past)!
        5. Simargl
          Simargl April 13 2018 13: 00
          +1
          Quote: Proxima
          and after 4 years we are already launching the world's first Sputnik !. There are no miracles in the world! All a Happy Holiday!
          Well, some people attribute the T-14 to Kuzhegetich. Wonders.
          1. Proxima
            Proxima April 13 2018 13: 13
            0
            Quote: Simargl
            Quote: Proxima
            and after 4 years we are already launching the world's first Sputnik !. There are no miracles in the world! All a Happy Holiday!
            Well, some people attribute the T-14 to Kuzhegetich. Wonders.

            Kozhugetovich definitely has nothing to do with T-14 Beria was engaged in nuclear and other scientific projects officially, as the head of the department of military science of the Central Committee of the CPSU (b) / CPSU.
      2. Dead duck
        Dead duck April 12 2018 16: 43
        +3
        Quote: Monos
        Happy Cosmonautics Day, friends!

        Hooray!

        And you with a holiday! hi drinks
      3. 210ox
        210ox April 12 2018 16: 43
        +8
        Victor hi The whole country worked for this holiday ... These people were the guides of our Victory in space.
        Quote: Monos
        Happy Cosmonautics Day, friends!
        Thanks to these two people for this holiday!
        1. Monos
          Monos April 12 2018 16: 45
          +3
          Quote: 210ox
          Victor. The whole country worked for this holiday ... These people were the guides of our Victory in space.

          Greetings Dmitry hi
          Of course! Therefore, not only cosmonauts and Roscosmos celebrate.
    2. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov April 12 2018 16: 29
      +3
      Quote: Voyager
      Horror, 10 years and this is the minimum ...

      And yet we are moving and we are not losing ground ...! We do not have enough money, and even these sanctions. Russia spends several times less on space programs than the United States and China .. Although we have more launches! Nothing men break through! Without space, I don’t see Russia, only forward to the stars ..
      1. mark1
        mark1 April 12 2018 17: 12
        0
        Quote: MIKHAN
        And yet we are moving and we are not losing ground ...! D

        And to whom we do not hand over?
        1. astepanov
          astepanov April 12 2018 17: 46
          +2
          We are no longer in positions. and in the prisoner of war camp in terms of space exploration. "Voyagers" are not ours, rovers are not ours, we are not flying to comets either ... We have reset in this area to the level of cabmen for another gentleman. Yes, and there they will soon give a kick in the ass.
        2. Vitaly Anisimov
          Vitaly Anisimov April 12 2018 19: 12
          +2
          Quote: mark1
          Quote: MIKHAN
          And yet we are moving and we are not losing ground ...! D

          And to whom we do not hand over?

          I will answer you .. wink There were many more "comrades" who in our mass media were whining and fighting in the epilepsy, like "Why do we need the Army, Navy ..?", "Why do we need Space?" .. Such expenses for everything and in general no one pleases us anymore .. USA is our duzi! Russia is a rich camp and that’s enough for everyone .. hehe
          IT IS Gentlemen, IT IS NOT SUITABLE FOR US, our Russian soul .. We have always aspired to space and will strive! YURA, WE WILL BE CORRECTED .. Forgive us!

          Cosmonautics Day is OUR Holiday in the history of mankind Russians will forever remain in the history of space exploration! After all, we were the first men!
          As the Jews say, no arguing against the fact! fellow
          1. mark1
            mark1 April 12 2018 19: 29
            +2
            Quote: MIKHAN
            IT IS Gentlemen, IT IS NOT SUITABLE FOR US, our Russian soul .. We have always aspired to space and will strive! YURA, WE WILL BE CORRECTED .. Forgive us!

            Tie a plump. "comrade", you are now in the phase of "repentance" the next will be "violent". And change the image, now you look like the average hands of a political worker from the political department in the training in the 80s
            1. Vitaly Anisimov
              Vitaly Anisimov April 12 2018 20: 06
              +1
              Quote: mark1
              Quote: MIKHAN
              IT IS Gentlemen, IT IS NOT SUITABLE FOR US, our Russian soul .. We have always aspired to space and will strive! YURA, WE WILL BE CORRECTED .. Forgive us!

              Tie a plump. "comrade", you are now in the phase of "repentance" the next will be "violent". And change the image, now you look like the average hands of a political worker from the political department in the training in the 80s

              What, there is nothing to answer, except insults ..? I won’t let you whine here .. hehe .. I listened to you in the 90s.! It was something, a SHABASH of demons and witches .. But now your time is running out .. hehe Won there’s even a “Doomsday Boeing” raising. We understood a lot during this time .. And we became different, cruel!
              A loan day for ALL is yet to come .. soldier
              1. mark1
                mark1 April 12 2018 21: 21
                0
                Quote: MIKHAN
                I won’t let you whine here .. hehe .. I listened to you in the 90s.! It was something, a SHABASH of demons and witches .. But now your time is running out .. hehe Won even raise the "Doomsday Boeing" you raise .. Russian gentlemen do not intimidate! We understood a lot during this time .. And we became different, cruel!
                A loan day for ALL is yet to come ..

                I warned you - stop thumping! You have begun the second phase. From which cash desk do you get “goods” on “LOUD DAY”?
                1. Vitaly Anisimov
                  Vitaly Anisimov April 12 2018 21: 35
                  0
                  Quote: mark1
                  From which cash desk do you get “goods” on “LOUD DAY”?

                  laughing Yes, everything is free with us .. But I don’t envy you hehe heh Such a bummer for you and all your gang miava!
                  And today is OUR holiday of ALL the people of the USSR! We will all refund ..
                  Now a Jew Urgant is mocking ALL of us for Cosmos and Gagarin .. All media have been captured for a long time! You look men only .. This is a clear humiliation! negative
                  1. mark1
                    mark1 April 12 2018 21: 43
                    0
                    Quote: MIKHAN
                    And today is OUR holiday of ALL the people of the USSR! We will all refund ..

                    You, dear "Tovarishch", most likely have nothing to do with the people of the USSR. I guess. that you have a perky little stick sticking out of your nose and your whole face is crushed by acne due to its young age. Hehe
                    1. Vitaly Anisimov
                      Vitaly Anisimov April 12 2018 21: 51
                      +1
                      All the media captured and this is our problem in Russia men ..
                      Even on such a great holiday we are humiliated .. We are the first in space, where are the programs about Yura and the Queen? A shame ..!
                      1. Megatron
                        Megatron April 13 2018 02: 51
                        +2
                        MIKHAN - I’m reading your posts and I’m thinking either you are a frenzied lesson, or you get for such opuses somewhere else.

                        All the achievements of the current regime in space in one photo,
                        Orenburg Higher Military Aviation Red Banner School of Pilots, where Gagarin studied.

                        But Putin’s friend, Rogozin’s face, is getting fatter every year, and there’s a billion rubles worth of apartments in Moscow alone. Yes, my son in a high warm post is seductive of course.

      2. donavi49
        donavi49 April 12 2018 17: 26
        +3
        More launches were 3 years ago.
        2015
        27 (24 successfully) - RF (including 3 French Union with Kuru)
        20 (18 successful) in the USA (including 7 Falcons)
        19 (19 successfully) from China.

        2016
        22 (22 successful) in the USA
        22 (21 successful) in China
        19 (18 successful) in the Russian Federation (including 2 of the French Union with Kuru)

        2017
        29 (29 successful) in the USA (including 13 Falcons)
        20 (18 successful) in the Russian Federation (including 2 of the French Union with Kuru)
        18 (16 successful) in China

        2018
        11 Successful Missiles to the Glory of the Great Xi Chairman from China
        10 (9,5 is successful - how to count Zuma and generally “breakdown” is it a legend to remove monitoring open or real?) From the USA
        5 from Russia.
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon April 12 2018 17: 13
      +1
      Quote: Voyager
      Horror, 10 years and this is the minimum ...

      This is still not an aircraft model with a rubber engine. Be a little realistic. The development of even a new aircraft (from the start of design to the first flight) takes 10-15 years. So, it’s time to forget about the “old Hottabychs”, “emelin pikes” and “magic wands”. hi
    4. astepanov
      astepanov April 12 2018 17: 44
      +5
      I doubt it. Work on the superheavy rocket began and was dropped so many times that it became like a ritual such as the restoration of the Temple of Solomon in Israel. Perhaps we will be on the alert: first with the Americans, then with the Chinese, Hindus ... Until the Somalis reach it.
      And why did any information on the nuclear transport and energy module that they were about to test in space before 2019 and use for flights to the moon, Mars and asteroids, which Putin mentioned before the election, suddenly disappeared? Already sour? gone? Or...
      1. Setrac
        Setrac April 12 2018 20: 31
        +1
        Quote: astepanov
        On a superheavy rocket, work began and was thrown so many times

        Just before, super-heavy missiles were not needed.
      2. Simargl
        Simargl April 13 2018 13: 10
        0
        Quote: astepanov
        On a superheavy rocket, work began and was thrown so many times
        I think that work on a superheavy rocket has been going permanently sluggishly all this time.
        Was Energy (exactly wasbecause apart from the bits of the engine now there is nothing), the engine remains almost entirely (probably the most important thing).
        There will be a STK LV grown at the same time as the payload (by the customer), and without the payload it is not needed.
    5. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin April 12 2018 17: 47
      0
      Quote: Voyager
      Horror, 10 years and this is the minimum ...

      Where to fly something so impatient?
    6. vladfill
      vladfill April 12 2018 18: 57
      +1
      For nearly TWENTY years, the Guarantor has successfully worked to thrive containment .....
      1. AUL
        AUL April 12 2018 19: 44
        +3
        Being at the Exhibition of Economic Achievements, Vladimir Putin spoke about plans to begin testing the latest domestic super-heavy rocket. According to the president, the trials will begin in 2028 year.
        By then, either the shah will die, or the donkey will die. There will be no one to ask, so you can promise anything, but the deadlines usually creep to the right.
  2. Megatron
    Megatron April 12 2018 16: 27
    +10


    Another cut, as with the East? And Putin is no longer hoping for a project to develop Russia.
    1. Redfox11
      Redfox11 April 12 2018 17: 00
      +1
      Saw cuts in all countries are, especially in the USA, by the way Twitter Peskov mustache for absolutely fools =)
      1. Megatron
        Megatron April 12 2018 17: 36
        +4
        And you operate with facts, what is wrong here, or invented? Starts from the East again postponed. The oligarchs are under sanctions, and for ordinary people only taxes are raised, the level of corruption is at the level of an average African country.
        1. max702
          max702 April 13 2018 12: 13
          +1
          Berlin Airport sends you heartfelt greetings ....
  3. Filxnumx
    Filxnumx April 12 2018 16: 30
    +5
    Oh, if it weren’t for the collapse and the mess of the 90s, I probably would have had a cottage at the foot of Mount Olympus on Mars, I would have planted apple trees.
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon April 12 2018 17: 22
      +2
      Quote: Fil743
      Oh, if it weren’t for the collapse and the mess of the 90s, I probably would have had a cottage at the foot of Mount Olympus on Mars, I would have planted apple trees.

      Manure from the Earth to deliver would be embarrassing. lol
    2. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin April 12 2018 17: 53
      +1
      Quote: Fil743
      Oh, if it weren’t for the collapse and the mess of the 90s, I probably would have had a cottage at the foot of Mount Olympus on Mars, I would have planted apple trees.

      In a tough spacesuit shovel beds spud? I’d get tired very quickly. Get sick of a ticket for a return flight to get.
  4. Bronevick
    Bronevick April 12 2018 16: 33
    +5
    In Soviet times, Salekhard-Igarka would have laid the sleepers. Flyers to space damn it.
  5. st25310
    st25310 April 12 2018 16: 47
    +1
    And there, as you know, maybe in years through 50 Russia will host the first interplanetary chess tournament in the history of the universe!
  6. dgonni
    dgonni April 12 2018 16: 57
    +8
    Ten years? request . We look at the BFR mask and see clearly. Who will need it in 10 years if the mask missed the first BFR flight in 2022? And the saddest thing for our space program is that it does not say but does.
    Photos of the rocket part along with Tesla cars are present on the network. So this is not banter and PR. Dudes really work and work as they used to work in the union. But they don’t breed a talking room and do not approve for 3-5 years sketches and general outlines of the project sad
    1. spirit
      spirit April 12 2018 17: 07
      +2
      How to whom?) Rogozin) A new site needs to be built, and he is special in such matters wassat
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 12 2018 17: 13
      +1
      Maybe the BFR will fly even earlier, the engines are in the final stages of testing, cryogenic fuel tanks are made, and the body of the wot
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona April 12 2018 17: 29
        0
        This is not a case, but the basis for creating a composite case
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 12 2018 17: 39
          0
          Well, yes, the diameter is 6 meters - and the BFR is 9 meters.
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon April 12 2018 17: 28
      +1
      Quote: dgonni
      We look at the BFR mask and see clearly. Who will need it in 10 years if the mask missed the first BFR flight in 2022?

      Yes, the flag in his hands. Let all these Washington yodods to Mars. Are we there that we forgot? there are still things to do on Earth.
    4. Vlad Petrov
      Vlad Petrov April 12 2018 18: 58
      0
      All space exploration projects - near and far - run into the problem of radiation safety. The mask will not fly alive to Mars. The use of a nuclear reactor will solve the problem, some of the energy can be used to generate an electromagnetic field that would protect the pilots from cosmic radiation and from the radiation of their own reactor.
    5. Setrac
      Setrac April 12 2018 20: 32
      0
      Quote: dgonni
      We look at the BFR mask and see clearly.

      Navali der6metsa on fans
    6. Simargl
      Simargl April 13 2018 13: 14
      0
      Quote: dgonni
      We look at the BFR mask and see clearly.
      The bottle of Super-duper-mega FT will start on 189 engines ?!
  7. Archivist Vasya
    Archivist Vasya April 12 2018 17: 06
    +1
    I like to walk around VDNH, and I have been to the Cosmos pavilion more than once. But it should be noted that before the restoration there were selling seeds and seedlings, various garden equipment, a fishing angler, even an exhibition of retro cars. The only thing that Sobyanin did good for while holding the post of mayor of Moscow is the restoration of all the pavilions at VDNH. By the way, Belarusians restored their own how brand new it is.
    1. SOF
      SOF April 12 2018 17: 31
      +4
      Quote: Archivist Vasya
      The only thing that Sobyanin did good while holding the post of mayor of Moscow

      ... here you are, Muscovites, overgrown .... All of Russia would have the only thing did. They poured so much dough into the first patrol that proposals for a cyclical change of the capital are beginning to gain a lot of fans ... ... and still do not like something ....
      1. Archivist Vasya
        Archivist Vasya April 12 2018 17: 40
        +2
        That's exactly what so much dough was poured into one city !!! Instead of distributing by region, and not building and expanding Moscow in order to collect in it 80% of the population of the Russian Federation. Sobyanin is a complete bastard - he closed everything and replaced it with retail chains where the quality of the goods is below average, he spread a mess in the center, endless road restructures and superstructures, he searches for where Luzhkov buried the treasure, and he tiles on all the streets instead of asphalt, which swells in a year. ..
      2. Reader 2013
        Reader 2013 April 12 2018 17: 48
        +3
        And we don’t need this shit, which was arranged in Moscow by a visiting, thieving reindeer herder
        1. SOF
          SOF April 12 2018 18: 18
          +1
          Quote: 2013 Reader
          And we don’t need this shit, which was arranged in Moscow by a visiting, thieving reindeer herder

          ... thanks for confirming my words ....
          There are a lot of reindeer herders, you’d have to cleanse the physics for that, they’ve cleaned the physics .... Moscow, you, ours ...
          1. Reader 2013
            Reader 2013 April 12 2018 20: 21
            +1
            I’m explaining that the poor mayor is called a reindeer breeder, that couple of millions of Muscovites who were born and raised here and who don’t like that trash in the form of a mayor who didn’t walk and walk about a kilometer in the city, didn’t buy a loaf of bread on his own in the store, never went to the public the transport that rides a Mercedes from the office to the Kremlin is 500 meters in order to lay flowers where it is forbidden to drive, crap in the city in order to steal money
            1. Setrac
              Setrac April 12 2018 20: 37
              +2
              Quote: Reader 2013
              I’m explaining that the poor mayor is called a reindeer breeder, that couple of millions of Muscovites who were born and raised here and who don’t like that trash in the form of a mayor who didn’t walk and walk about a kilometer in the city, didn’t buy a loaf of bread on his own in the store, never went to the public transport

              I explain - the "reindeer herders" (not Sobyanin, but in general) get the loot in the north that these "Muscovites" live on, and if it weren’t for those like Sabyanin (and not only him) - you would - Muscovites died of hunger.
              1. Reader 2013
                Reader 2013 April 12 2018 21: 07
                0
                Well, let it be so, trash mayor Semyon Semyonitch, steal money with four hands, which are extracted in the north and does it in such a way that also spoils the inhabitants, so will arrange
                1. SOF
                  SOF April 12 2018 21: 45
                  +2
                  Quote: Reader 2013
                  stealing money four hands

                  ... shivering ... (C)
                  Che, the capital, the station stall was squeezed out or the place on Cherkizon has sunk into oblivion ???? laughing
                  1. Reader 2013
                    Reader 2013 April 12 2018 21: 51
                    +1
                    No, 57 years old, a highly professional construction engineer and I see perfectly what is happening in the city
                    And you will check your friends at the stall
                    1. Setrac
                      Setrac April 12 2018 21: 59
                      +1
                      Quote: Reader 2013
                      No, 57 years old, a highly professional construction engineer and I see perfectly what is happening in the city

                      Muscovite is a builder !!!!! You are not building a Kerch bridge and not a port to Sabbet! Builders are against corruption, yeah, bees are against honey.
                2. Setrac
                  Setrac April 12 2018 21: 56
                  0
                  Quote: Reader 2013
                  Well, let it be so, trash mayor Semyon Semyonitch, steal money with four hands, which are extracted in the north and does it in such a way that also spoils the inhabitants, so will arrange

                  Not satisfied! And you did not think that someone could personally know this person?
                  1. Reader 2013
                    Reader 2013 April 12 2018 22: 05
                    +1
                    I see the results, rabid corruption and complete disregard for the inhabitants of the city
                    Can not a man who absolutely does not know and does not like the city to be mayor, steal the hell with you, but do not foul the inhabitants do not destroy the city
                    1. Setrac
                      Setrac April 12 2018 22: 11
                      +2
                      Quote: Reader 2013
                      I see the results, rabid corruption and complete disregard for the inhabitants of the city

                      Yeah, Sobyanin came - and corruption in Moscow blossomed, and before that, not a drop in his mouth or a centimeter in ... nowhere a centimeter.
                      Quote: Reader 2013
                      complete disregard for the inhabitants of the city

                      But what about the inhabitants of the largest city in the country that produces nothing?
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack April 12 2018 22: 15
                        +2
                        Quote: Setrac
                        How do you feel about the inhabitants of the largest city in the country that produces nothing?

                        Are you ... more careful with "doesn't produce anything", og?
                        And the inhabitants there are also far from all businessmen and majors - there is enough of everything. Noah's Ark - to every creature ... according to hara request
                      2. Civilian
                        Civilian April 12 2018 23: 25
                        0
                        Quote: Setrac
                        But what about the inhabitants of the largest city in the country that produces nothing?

                        Well, how will you feel about me? I’m not producing anything. NOT WHERE to produce, understand, NOT WHERE?
                        From the scientific and production center of the USSR, the city turned into a "cultural" - trade Babylon (with a small letter). And believe me, Muscovites have nothing to do with it. What is trying to "reach out" to you Reader 2013 , in common people Michael
                      3. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 April 13 2018 00: 17
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                        In Moscow and the region, the GDP for the year is 28 trillion rubles - they produce almost everything, from pens with pins to helicopters, jet engines and fuel rods.
              2. Civilian
                Civilian April 12 2018 23: 09
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                Quote: Setrac
                I explain - the "reindeer herders" (not Sobyanin, but in general) get the loot in the north that these "Muscovites" live on, and if it weren’t for those like Sabyanin (and not only him) - you would - Muscovites died of hunger.

                You confuse the budget of the Russian Federation with the budget of Moscow. The "reindeer herders" and generally (with all due respect) do not transfer money to the budget of Moscow. Well, if some “chairman of the reindeer herding collective farm” set up an office in Moscow, then Muscovites have nothing to do with it.
                Let me explain on the fingers. My apartment in 20 years has risen in price every 5-6, that is, theoretically, I got rich out of the blue not measured. But! 20 years ago, in order to “separate” my daughter, I had to work a suspended year. Now - 50 years. I hope you understand me.
                1. Civilian
                  Civilian April 12 2018 23: 42
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                  Quote: Civilian
                  But! 20 years ago, in order to “separate” my daughter, I had to work a suspended year. Now - 50 years. I hope you understand me.

                  Sorry, comrades, about 50 years, I got excited about it. Let it be 10. 10 years, not counting the price of repair (the rupee per square meter)
      3. Civilian
        Civilian April 12 2018 22: 04
        +1
        Quote: SOF
        ... here you are, Muscovites, overgrown ....

        And you ask a Muscovite what kind of joy he (Muscovite) from this dough.
        So, I don’t want to be a Muscovite anymore (do not offer an exchange laughing ).
        The city is not suitable for life sad I speak from the height of my past years. wink
  8. ivan0vitch
    ivan0vitch April 12 2018 17: 46
    +5
    it is unlikely she will raise more Heavy. And Heavy ALREADY flies. in the creation of carriers, Russia lagged behind forever. "To stand still you need to run." What we see is the result of decades of standing still and not the fact that this standing is over. In this case, the product of the Union cartoon cannot get off)
    1. Mestny
      Mestny April 12 2018 18: 27
      +2
      Yes, here the main thing on the Internet is to crow "left behind forever," and then that's all, the end of Raska.
  9. Awaz
    Awaz April 12 2018 18: 36
    +2
    these 10 years - at least stretched to 20. Yes, and like in that bike: either the donkey dies or the shah ... The rocket should already be undergoing tests in iron, or it will be a complete fiasco ... Joseph Vissarionych and Lavrentiy Palych are not on them ..
  10. Old26
    Old26 April 12 2018 20: 58
    +1
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Although we have more launches!

    Vitalik! Teach the materiel. As early as 2 years we are not the first in terms of quantity. In the past, they were second (20 for us versus 18 for China and 29 for the USA), in 2016 they were third (19 for us, 22 for China and the Americans). This year, if all programs are completed, third place is expected (23 for us, 24 for China and 45 for the USA). In any case, we are very far from the first. And you are swinging your saber, shouting that we have more ....
  11. axxmanm
    axxmanm April 12 2018 23: 01
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    another hie
    Hodja Ishak Emir
  12. Old26
    Old26 April 13 2018 00: 04
    +1
    Quote: ivan0vitch
    it is unlikely she will raise more Heavy. And Heavy ALREADY flies. in the creation of carriers, Russia lagged behind forever. "To stand still you need to run." What we see is the result of decades of standing still and not the fact that this standing is over. In this case, the product of the Union cartoon cannot get off)

    Left behind, but there is no such thing - FOREVER.

    Quote: AwaZ
    these 10 years - at least stretched to 20. Yes, and like in that bike: either the donkey dies or the shah ... The rocket should already be undergoing tests in iron, or it will be a complete fiasco ... Joseph Vissarionych and Lavrentiy Palych are not on them ..

    They may not stretch. If the minimum option passes without any errors, and they should not be, then by increasing the number of modules you can reach the super heavy in 10 years.
    The main thing is that by the time the rockets were ready, the launch pad was ready. In addition, it would be nice if by then there were corresponding loads for such a rocket.
    1. ivan0vitch
      ivan0vitch April 13 2018 00: 46
      +1
      Yes you are right. But, when you see that the Russian cosmonautics takes a step on the spot, sideways, and even backward, while geopolitical competitors at the same time have two steps forward, I’d like to express myself strongly
      1. axxmanm
        axxmanm April 13 2018 01: 08
        +1
        Quote: ivan0vitch
        Yes you are right. But, when you see that the Russian cosmonautics takes a step on the spot, sideways, and even backward, while geopolitical competitors at the same time have two steps forward, I’d like to express myself strongly

        What is he right about? in what overweight can do in 10 years?
        delirium of the duty lawyer ...
        And here you are right, rightly noting the style of those who look after the resource colony ".. a step in place is a side step, a step back ..",
        the only thing is that geopolitical competitors (or rather, the owners) do not have 2 steps forward, but only half a step ..
        1. ivan0vitch
          ivan0vitch April 13 2018 01: 19
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          I am wrong in the sense that the word FOREVER is not correct
  13. Setrac
    Setrac April 13 2018 00: 31
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    Quote: Vadim237
    In Moscow and the region, the GDP for the year is 28 trillion rubles - they produce almost everything, from pens with pins to helicopters, jet engines and fuel rods.

    Let’s by name at which plant in Moscow they produce helicopters, TVELs, etc.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 13 2018 11: 57
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      TVELS are produced not far from MEPhI - the Polymetal Plant is part of Rosatom.
  14. axxmanm
    axxmanm April 13 2018 00: 49
    +1
    At this political stage (while compradors are still in the power of the Russian Federation) the development of a superheavy rocket is not just unnecessary, but harmful — it is just one more reason to steal and withdraw loot abroad, and to create a benevolent picture of the “revival of greatness” for the townsfolk.
    1. Awaz
      Awaz April 13 2018 06: 04
      +1
      So I also like that, in general, I agree that so far there is no special sense from superheavy, What Mask does is more like a lunar scam, creating an outwardly powerful rocket, but loading it with a half-ton payload .. There he most likely had PR about the landing of individual modules. However, the Russian authorities are constantly in a race with the Americans and constantly get themselves discredited ..
  15. 1536
    1536 April 13 2018 05: 21
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    And someone else is talking about Russia's exorbitant ambitions. We have to think like a curling champion. This is what matters.
  16. Old26
    Old26 April 13 2018 08: 10
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    Quote: axxmanm
    What is he right about? in what overweight can do in 10 years?
    delirium of the duty lawyer ...

    And the arguments that it is impossible to give weak? No one is talking about the tediousness or unnecessity of this complex, but if it’s about the prospect (not about the prospect of work by “taxi drivers”, although this work may soon end), then such complexes created on a modular basis will be needed, if nevertheless want to develop further
    Superheavy, as a rocket necessary from the nose, will never fly every month. Even when developing the dead-end Angara, it was taken into account that the most popular ones will be in order of decreasing the number of launches):
    1. Light rocket, with a carrying capacity of 3-5 tons
    2. a missile to replace the Union, that is, with a carrying capacity of 12-15 tons - could fly at about a frequency of 2 launches per month
    3. Heavy missiles to replace the "Proton" with a carrying capacity of 30-35 tons - 10-12 launches per year
    4. Superheavy rocket with a carrying capacity of more than 50-70 tons - the number of flights 1-2 per year

    So it is here. No one expects that super-power created on a modular basis on the basis of Soyuz-5 will fly every month. But in principle it is possible to make it within 10 years. So what is the nonsense of my post ???