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PP tank cruiser Osokina

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As you know, during the Great Patriotic War, new types of equipment were developed and offered not only by official design bureaus. The People's Commissariat of Defense regularly received certain technical proposals from enthusiasts. In most cases, their ideas did not receive development and were sent to the archive as superfluous. One of the most vivid examples of such an initiative project, which did not receive a real continuation, is the “tank-cruiser” engineer-lieutenant colonel P.P. Osokina.


According to known data, P.P. Osokin made his proposal in the field of promising armored vehicles in the early summer of 1942. At that time, he served in one of the units of the Ural Military District, and therefore began to “promote” his own idea there. On June 11, the inventor introduced his project “tankcruisers ”a number of military commanders of the UVO. He reported on the new development to the head of the department of armored forces of the district, Colonel Evdokimov, other employees of the department, as well as to the deputy commander of the Air Force of the UVO, Major General Sokolov. The command of the military district, in general, approved P.P. Osokina, but made some comments.


Modern reconstruction of the "tank cruiser"


As the designer-enthusiast, Colonel Evdokimov, who soon had to go to Moscow, wrote later, he promised to inform the higher command about the new development. In addition, he could contribute to the transfer of Osokina to the capital for further work on the project. However, even after a few weeks, the lieutenant colonel was never called to Moscow, and therefore he was forced to write to higher authorities.

The letter “up” was sent to the specialists of the Main Automobile and Armored Directorate, who were to study the original proposal and give it a corresponding assessment. Work on the study of the submitted documents began no later than the end of July 1942. Already in the first days of August the first conclusion was prepared, which predetermined the future fate of the project. Later came the official response from the Armored Directorate. Looking ahead, it should be said that Osokin’s “tank cruiser” did not receive the approval of GABTU specialists.

The proposed model of armored vehicles had a lot of problems and was not of practical value, and therefore the army was not interested in them. However, the original project may be of some interest in terms of stories and technology. Consider the "tank cruiser" and find out that it did not like the military.

According to the preserved schemes, the project of P.P. Osokina proposed the construction of a rather complex armored car of a characteristic appearance. A large sample was supposed to have an articulated circuit and be assembled from a number of separate elements-modules. Some components were intended for the movement of the machine, while the largest element was a kind of fighting compartment. Judging by the well-known schemes, the "tank cruiser" could have a certain unification with existing samples. In particular, the hull of the "running modules" resembled in a noticeable way the corresponding unit of the medium T-34 tank.

In the front and rear parts of the "cruiser" it was planned to place four modules responsible for mobility. Each of them was actually an independent medium tank with its own power plant, armored hull and undercarriage. Externally, such products should have been similar to the serial T-34 and, probably, equipped with a similar body. However, the most significant differences were foreseen.


Side view


Between the two "running modules" of the same side it was proposed to place an additional body of considerable length. With other buildings it should be connected with the help of hinged devices. On each side of such a hull, it was necessary to install six support rollers borrowed from the tank. Three were in the front and were covered by a caterpillar of the front case. The other three were actually part of the chassis back case. Also provided for the use of its own drive wheels. Between the central support rollers that worked with the tracks, Osokin placed a pair of carts with two rollers each. The latter lay right on the ground.

It was proposed to equip the central side hulls of the "cruiser tank" with its own engines. Each of them could be completed with a pair aviation diesel engines M-30 or M-40, which made it possible to obtain a total machine power of 6000 hp. All four engines were proposed to be connected to a manual transmission. The latter was supposed to provide rotation of the central drive wheels, borrowed from the serial T-34.

The hull, unified with the T-34, was to be equipped with a standard turret with weapons. Thus, in the corners of the “cruiser” assembly there were four full-turn turrets with 76-mm guns and rifle-caliber machine guns. Also saved frontal machine gun body.

Central side hulls PP Osokin proposed to carry out at the same time with the largest unit of the combat vehicle on which it was planned to place its main armament. The central building was distinguished by its great length and enhanced protection. Some of his armor plates should have a thickness of 125 mm. Such a body had sloping front sheets, vertical sides and a horizontal roof. On the sides provided large shelves, in fact, were the roof of the onboard hulls. The layout of the central building was quite simple. All its volumes were either fighting compartment, or compartments for ammunition.

In front of the central building it was proposed to place the workplaces of two crew members. One could follow the road and the situation, and the second was a shooter. Behind them was a shoulder strap for a large tower with two guns of caliber 152 mm. The central compartment of the case was a large volume for storing ammunition. Behind him, it was proposed to equip an open area for 76-mm anti-aircraft guns. At the rear of the hull, the designer placed a swivel turret with a pair of 23-mm anti-aircraft guns. One open installation with twin machine guns was planned to be placed in the center of both side shelves of the hull. In the central onboard cases it was provided on two machine-gun installations for firing in a lateral hemisphere.

According to the calculations of Lieutenant Colonel Osokina, "tank-cruiser" could have more than a large ammunition. The presence of significant free volumes ensured the transportation of 200 mm caliber rounds, 152-580 projectiles for 600-mm guns and 76 projectiles of 1200 mm caliber to 23. Heavy machine guns received ammunition in 4550 cartridges, rifle caliber systems - almost 26,5 thousand cartridges.


Frontal projection machine


In one of the schemes prepared by the enthusiastic designer, the angles of shelling of all available weapons were cited. The Tank Cruiser, carrying 9 guns and 14 machine guns, could fire in any direction, both ground and air targets. The presence of a number of rotary towers and turrets ensured simultaneous shelling of the same objects from several systems. An important feature of the project was the availability of advanced anti-aircraft weapons. A large tank with outstanding firepower risked becoming a priority target for enemy aircraft, and to combat it, he received a separate set of guns and machine guns.

However, they had to pay for high combat qualities with unacceptable dimensions and weight. The length of the entire "cruiser tank" assembled was 21,5 m. Width - 9,7 m. The height of the upper devices of the main caliber tower is as much as 4,3 m. The combat weight, according to the designer, reached 270 t. . per ton, which allowed us to hope for obtaining acceptable mobility.

The presence of several separate hulls and a large number of gun turrets led to a corresponding increase in crew numbers. Drive the machine and her weapons should have been 30 tankers right away. It is curious that the presence of large free volumes inside the hull allowed the tank to take on board the landing of several dozen people. At the same time, unlike other combat vehicles of its time, the "tank cruiser" could transport them under the protection of armor.

As planned by a lieutenant colonel, a promising super-heavy tank could solve a fairly wide range of tasks on the battlefield. The targets for his guns could be armored vehicles and enemy fortifications, manpower and unprotected equipment. A developed set of weapons, including barrel-mounted systems of different calibers and different capacities, provided considerable flexibility for combat work in certain conditions.

From a certain point of view, the project PP. Osokina looked interesting and promising. According to its author, the technical proposal should be taken into development and the re-equipment of the Red Army should begin. However, the specialists of the State Academic Technical Institute did not share his optimism. Quickly enough, they studied the submitted project and made a logical decision. The place of the “tank cruiser” was on paper and in the archive, but not in the assembly shops or on the battlefields.


Zones of firing all weapons "tank cruiser"


In October, an official document appeared on 1942, summarizing the study of the proposal by P.P. Osokina. Experts have noted that the "tank cruiser" has a number of fundamentally unavoidable shortcomings, and therefore can not find places in mass production and the army. Further elaboration of the project did not make sense, and it could be abandoned.

Because of their large size and combat mass, the cruiser was recognized as bulky and insufficiently manoeuvrable. Unacceptable dimensions also made the tank too noticeable on the battlefield, and in addition, facilitated the work of artillery or enemy aircraft. The car turned out to be an overly easy target. This problem was exacerbated by inadequate booking. Finally, the project was unsuccessful in terms of logistics. To be transported by rail, the “tank cruiser” needed to be disassembled into separate components. Before being sent to battle, reassembly was required. In this case, the car could not pass under all existing bridges.

Production issues in the conclusion of the GABTU were not considered, but in this respect the project of P.P. Osokina did not have any particular prospects. The composition of the units shows that instead of one super-heavy tank, the industry could build several combat vehicles of the middle or heavy class. With a similar amount of time, effort, or money, the army would receive more combat vehicles with acceptable characteristics and capabilities. Naturally, for some indicators or serial T-34 or other tanks could be inferior to the "cruiser" Osokin, but in general they turned out to be much more profitable acquisition.

The Tank Cruiser had some positive features, but the characteristic cons completely outweighed them. A significant increase in the firepower of a separate combat unit capable of replacing several armored vehicles of various types was associated with the extreme complexity of production, transportation and operation. In addition, inadequate protection led to serious risks: just a pair of shells or a bomb that was accurately dropped could cause damage similar to the loss of a whole tank unit.

Such a combat armored vehicle was not of interest to the Red Army. In the autumn of 1942 of the year, the Main Armored Directorate Directorate made its decision, and at this the history of the project P.P. Osokina is over. Documents received from the inventor, as well as papers with expert estimates, went to the archive. They were there for several decades, not having a single chance to return to consideration.

Historians have recently discovered them. However, this time the project was not remembered for the purpose of launching design work. "Tank-cruiser" engineer lieutenant colonel PP Osokina became the subject of various publications and notes in the profile literature, and only because of this he received the fame due to him. Naturally, an interesting proposal from an enthusiastic designer who tried to help his army, now often becomes the object of ridicule.

During the Great Patriotic War, everyone tried to make their contribution to the overall victory. Some enterprising citizens and military personnel tried to propose certain ideas that could affect the Red Army’s combat capability, improve its fleet of vehicles, etc. Such proposals were considered by experts and sometimes accepted for implementation. Nevertheless, some too bold and unjustified ideas were naturally sent to the archive. They were based on a noble desire to help the country, but this desire could not always overpower the harsh demands of reality.

Based on:
https://vpk-news.ru/
https://worldoftanks.ru/
https://slovodel.com/
https://shusharmor.livejournal.com/
Shpakovsky V.O. The most famous tanks of the world. - M .: AST, 2017.
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Bronetechnikamira.ru, Worldoftanks.ru
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  1. Cananecat
    Cananecat April 13 2018 05: 57
    +9
    Not ... well, why not put some flagship on wheels? The finished tank and dimensions correspond, and even an anchor from a height will just tightly wedge the tower of any German "cat". Or a submarine on the tracks ... the enemy acoustics is sitting, looking for the noise of the screws, and then again ... and the clang of the tracks.
    1. Jerk
      Jerk April 13 2018 08: 24
      +3
      Quote: Canecat
      . an enemy acoustics sits, looking for screw noise, and then again ... and a clang of tracks.

      Well, a submarine on a caterpillar track is purely in the steppes of Ukraine)))
      In general, military designers always have a flight of fancy, weakly coupled with reality ... Well, for example, modularity is fashionable now in the shooter. Three barrels of the same caliber, as if someone would really chase specialists, sharpened for urban battles - with long barrels as a unit of snipers ... Also, often under a different cartridge, trunks and bolt group. It is good when everyone is sitting at the base, and there are no issues with the supply. And on the battlefield - what, everyone will take two spare trunks with them ?! Instead of BC? Yes, schA. And again - a fashionable trend now.
      1. AUL
        AUL April 13 2018 09: 33
        +3
        The mania of gigantism was not only among the Germans. Many have had this childhood illness.
        1. Borik
          Borik April 13 2018 10: 35
          +4
          It must be a "genius" to come up with such nonsense.
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I April 13 2018 15: 41
            +5
            Quote: Borik
            It must be a "genius" to come up with such nonsense.

            Che right away, "bullshit" .... but tankers can issue a marine uniform ... beautiful!
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 April 13 2018 15: 55
              +1
              Quote: Nikolaevich I
              but tankers can issue a marine uniform ..

              And the designer zelenok and seven grams of lead, so that during the war he wouldn’t invent crazy ideas.
              The tank is an excellent target in every sense of the word, and its relevance would be applicable only in the realities of the civil war, but not in the 42nd.
              1. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I April 13 2018 16: 20
                +4
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                And the designer zelenok and seven grams of lead, so that during the war he wouldn’t invent crazy ideas.

                Duc, he is not the first! Or what ... not the only one! What at once - "lead" ?! Beautiful pictures would not have seen!

                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 April 13 2018 17: 10
                  +7
                  Quote: Nikolaevich I
                  What at once - "lead" ?! Beautiful pictures would not have seen!

                  Of course they saw, but here are the nuances. Booking Mouse corresponded to the realities of modern (at that time) time. And this is what - a hodgepodge of medium and heavy tanks. And when the shell hit the medium, the whole hodgepodge was burning. request
                  1. igorka357
                    igorka357 April 17 2018 10: 25
                    0
                    Dora really fired, but it’s not enough sense ..
                2. karabas86
                  karabas86 April 15 2018 21: 00
                  +3
                  You have a Dora photo of a German 800mm gun that actually existed, even fired near Sevastopol, but is absolutely useless, according to the reports of the Germans themselves.
                  1. Nikolaevich I
                    Nikolaevich I April 16 2018 00: 39
                    +4
                    Well done you noticed! good , The image of "monstera" also seemed "strange" to me ..... In the end, I decided not to explain anything: 1. It seems to be ..... no one paid much attention to my post ..
                    2. You will understand from the 2 point:
                    2.Landkreuzer P. 1500 Monster (Land Cruiser P. 1500 Monster) - an unrealized project of a super-heavy tank based on a gun Dora , which was developed in the Third Reich during the Second World War.
                    Due to little fame no exact image this tank. Landkreuzer P. 1500 "Monster" was a project of a super-heavy tank, planned for the installation of Krupp 800mm Schwerer Gustav guns on it, thus representing a huge self-propelled gun. He had to shoot shells weighing 7 tons at a distance of 37 km. Basically, it was supposed to be used against well-fortified structures. In the case of construction, he would easily overtake the Panzer VIII Maus, and even the huge Landkreuzer P. Ratte 1000 in size, but engine power would be enough to develop speed only 10 — 15 km / h. It would have 42 m (138 feet) in length, weigh 1500 tons, have a frontal armor thickness of 250 millimeters, an 4 V-shaped diesel engine and a crew of more than 100 people.
        2. Alf
          Alf April 13 2018 21: 40
          +3
          Quote: AUL
          Many have had this childhood illness.

          Only the degree was different, someone painted on paper, and someone tried to build.
    2. vkl.47
      vkl.47 April 13 2018 10: 21
      +1
      Bredyatina like Max. That certainly would not miss a plane bomb
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 April 13 2018 15: 56
        +1
        Quote: vkl.47
        do not miss a plane bomb

        Even a plane is not needed. It will burn from one Molotov cocktail.
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 13 2018 14: 23
      +9
      Quote: Canecat
      Not ... well, why not put some flagship on wheels?

      The parade parade was at least one hundred kilometers from the sea, but nevertheless, from behind the hill a battle tower of a real battleship appeared, and after it there were pipes and the entire hull of a gigantic armored vehicle no smaller than a cruiser.
      Smoke came from the chimneys, like a former sea ship. The battle towers bristled with large-caliber fangs, glistening in the sun.
      The land battleship moved on a huge number of tracks, which, with special devices, depending on the terrain profile, rose or fell, changing position relative to the vessel. Random changes in terrain did not affect the position of the battleship. His gyroscopic instruments quickly responded to the slightest tilt. Only on large hills did the land ship majestically tilt.
      Aligning the hills, the battleship fired a salvo from all his guns.
      - That's what you can go through any fortified area! - said the owner, and tenderness was heard in his voice.
      © Kazantsev. Flaming island.
      1. NOVERU
        NOVERU April 13 2018 16: 40
        0
        albeit in games, but I saw the submarine ashore not on caterpillars but on foot walkers with a landing and volley of missiles and firing from cannons well, not a cruiser with battleships, but something more realistic is called Front Mission 3
      2. Mestny
        Mestny April 13 2018 18: 43
        -2
        Kazantsev?
        It seemed Damantsev ... pah-pah.
  2. igordok
    igordok April 13 2018 07: 33
    +11
    Thanks for the information.
    I thought it was a sinful thing that this is a model of a "monster tank" similar to this.


    Someone bungled a model from different sets. And they began to consider it a project from the time of the Second World War.
  3. K.A.S.
    K.A.S. April 13 2018 07: 59
    +10
    The level of training of an engineer lieutenant colonel is interesting if he offered such a design! There is a war and time and money are being spent on fantastic projects!
    When I read the article I remembered the Ukrainian designer Rostik, with his projects of tanks from the boxes of Roshen.
    1. Cananecat
      Cananecat April 13 2018 08: 26
      +6
      As I understand it, he did not do mathematical calculations of mechanics, otherwise he would have understood the futility. But in the above documents, the calculations of the dimensions and the shelling sector are clearly visible, which can indicate the basic training of this engineer in the field of the construction of various kinds of fortifications.
    2. Full name
      Full name April 13 2018 09: 57
      +4
      Yes you are right. But at all times there are giant-dreamers. Look at how many of them are here in))). Well, in the days of the Second World War, the stake was placed on manufacturability, simplicity and, as a consequence, mass character. And a similar project could not be accepted in principle. In addition, the designer of this land cruiser, apparently, did not know that the concept of multi-tower heavy tanks was hacked down by Stalin in the 30s. When looking at the layout of the heavy 3-tower QMS tank (Sergey Mironovich Kirov), he removed a small tower with forty-five from it, noting: "Comrade Kotin, there’s no need to make a department store out of the tank." So there was HF.
      But the fact that during the war was generally taken into account and considered this fantastic project is really amazing.
    3. Kibb
      Kibb April 13 2018 11: 17
      0
      We started for health, finished ... "Excellent" comparison of an engineer lieutenant colonel and a 13-year-old boy
      Quote: K.A.S.
      The level of training of an engineer lieutenant colonel is interesting if he offered such a design! There is a war and time and money are being spent on fantastic projects!
      When I read the article I remembered the Ukrainian designer Rostik, with his projects of tanks from the boxes of Roshen.
    4. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 13 2018 14: 33
      0
      Quote: K.A.S.
      The level of training of an engineer lieutenant colonel is interesting if he offered such a design! There is a war and time and money are being spent on fantastic projects!

      What kind of projects were not at that time.
      So, GABTU RKKA, department of inventions and rationalizations, the first series of banquet:
      1758 "Tank" (Simple and Tasteful)
      1661 "Ramming tank" (KV-5, aha)
      168 "Armored Motorcycle"
      1096 "Tank forest passage." (These will pass, they are with one track (s))
      399 "Bicycle"
      2271 "Moving car" (go out, push and, imagine, IT MOVES)
      1621 "Special waste napkin" (the worst weapon, nothing will be more nightmare)
      1133 "Rotary tank"
      489 "Ball-loophole"
      592 "The Fighter"
      2261 "Floating motorcycle"
      1801 "High-speed tank tanks"
      1280 "Autosled"
      1925 "New Tank" (Savsam new, yes, mom clanus)
      2176 "Cylindrical armored vehicle"
      2305 "Armored car"
      1317 "One-wheeled armored car" (We save, comrades, we save! Here the war will end and we will give you two, and to the advanced workers and all three wheels)
      944 "Paromet"
      1034 "Armor-piercing fighting vehicle"
      2608 “Installation of a sandbox on a tank” (so that the crew can calmly smoke in this self-propelled gasoline barrel)
      443 "Improvement of the bicycle" (but you could have invented it!)
      106 "Tank Cylinder"
      1984 "Tank-ice rink" (presumably, tank-cylinder off-road)
      1446 "Steel self-propelled bunker" (not to be confused with the tank, yeah, this one does not drive but WALKS)
      1886 "Metal drum for troop transfer"
      1251 "Ball scooter"
      etc.
      © kris-reid
  4. Palagecha
    Palagecha April 13 2018 09: 37
    +2
    Here are the tanks you need to build !!! Powerful, reliable! Now we would have such five hundred and all of Europe would be shaking ... And we will control some Armats that are stalling and for which there is no money ...
    1. mult-65
      mult-65 April 13 2018 20: 39
      0
      Boo-ha-ha !!! wink
  5. Conserp
    Conserp April 13 2018 11: 11
    +5
    The sleep of reason. Obviously, from the "inventor" everything was simply cut off from politeness.

    It’s definitely not a tanker or a tank builder - he didn’t even know firsthand the elementary issues of operation and the theory of the tank. Apparently, the honored construction worker.

    A group of 6-7 normal tanks and self-propelled guns surpasses one such monster (even if all its problems are solved with magic) in all possible indicators - combat stability, controllability, firepower, tactical flexibility, mobility, mobility, ease of operation, reliability, maintainability , manufacturability and so on. And this is clear to any normal commander or engineer.

    Personally, I’m interested in one thing - how his internal tracks are organized there.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 April 13 2018 15: 59
      +2
      Quote: Conserp
      Personally, I’m interested in one thing - how his internal tracks are organized there.

      And I wonder how to change them in case of damage. laughing
      1. Alf
        Alf April 13 2018 21: 45
        +2
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Quote: Conserp
        Personally, I’m interested in one thing - how his internal tracks are organized there.

        And I wonder how to change them in case of damage. laughing

        How, how .. Raise the entire tank on the jacks. laughing
  6. Servisinzhener
    Servisinzhener April 13 2018 12: 25
    +1
    The project can only be considered as an April Fools' joke.
  7. Fitter65
    Fitter65 April 13 2018 13: 13
    +3
    As a designer-enthusiast later wrote, Colonel Evdokimov, who was soon to travel to Moscow, promised to inform the higher command of the new development. In addition, he could facilitate the transfer of Osokin to the capital for further work on the project. However, even after several weeks, the lieutenant colonel engineer was not called to Moscow, and therefore he was forced to write to higher authorities.

    That’s the most important thing that happened in this project. But the author of this project probably wrote not only to the higher authorities, but also “where he needs to go ...” And for the sake of this project, people had to be torn off from the present case, because if there weren’t enough justification in the conclusion on rejection of his project, then how many people this “inventor” could ruin the fate. Thanks to such writers who forced to write to higher authorities.how many truly true inventors, talented engineers, and competent managers have ended up in ITL ...
    1. Conserp
      Conserp April 13 2018 15: 21
      +3
      Quote: Fitter65
      And for the sake of this project, it was necessary to tear people away from the present case, because if there was not enough justification

      This miracle cannot be thrown by rail.
      It can’t even drive on a regular road itself - only on a four-lane highway.
      Most even modern bridges, it can not overcome.
      Cannot ride on rough terrain - only on a flat field or on the tundra.

      The first paragraph is sufficient for rejection in excess. 1 minute - write a refusal. 5 minutes - neighing. 15 minutes - show all colleagues, neighing together. Total: separation of people from work for 21 minutes, ideological sabotage.

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    2. mult-65
      mult-65 April 13 2018 20: 43
      0
      I wanted the t / c to Moscow ... winked
      1. Fitter65
        Fitter65 April 14 2018 02: 32
        0
        Quote: mult-65
        I wanted t. P / p-ku to Moscow ..

        Even more.
        The letter “upstairs” was sent to specialists from the Main Armored Directorate, who were to study the original proposal and give it an appropriate assessment. Work on the study of the submitted documents began no later than the end of July 1942. Already in early August, the first conclusion was prepared, which determined the fate of the project.

        The letter has reached where it is needed.
  8. Graz
    Graz April 13 2018 13: 44
    0
    I really thought that by the middle of the war they had been ill with such garbage, but no
  9. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA April 13 2018 14: 34
    +2
    Heh heh heh ... do you want a walking bunker?
    This unit was developed in the spring of 1942 by an engineer Alekseenko from the city of Magnitogorsk.
    The principle of movement of a walking bunker was based on very real walking excavators. The speed of movement was supposed to be extremely low, however, this is still a bunker, but for him speed is a matter of the tenth. Slowly crawled to the bush, sat down, and let's bullet. Moreover, with a forehead of 200 mm and sides of 120 mm, this animal could be littered with an extremely limited range of weapons.
    As weapons, a 76-mm L-17 gun was supposed to be, but if desired, any 76-caliber gun, and in the future 85 mm, could be shoved into a walking bunker. However, these are only assumptions, since the matter did not advance further than the preliminary design. Although the idea was not meaningless and not so crazy.
    © Y. Pasholok
    1. Conserp
      Conserp April 13 2018 18: 37
      0
      The idea is really not meaningless and not crazy - it would really be nice for DOT to be able to change position in order to:
      - fool aerial photography and those who use it;
      - enemy heavy artillery was more difficult to shoot and smash it to shreds;
      - level the dead zones identified by the enemy in the shelling sector.

      In real life, mobile bunkers were put on rails.
      1. Kibb
        Kibb April 13 2018 18: 46
        +4
        smile Those Mouse is a "gloomy Teutonic genius," but the walking dot is cool because ours. wink Mouse is actually a mobile bunker, not a tank
        1. Conserp
          Conserp April 13 2018 20: 12
          +2
          The Mouse is a conceptually and practically a tank.
          1. Kibb
            Kibb April 13 2018 22: 12
            0
            The "Mouse" mobile bunker was created as a bunker and it was never a tank - its task was to plug holes in long-term defense.
            1. Conserp
              Conserp April 14 2018 18: 18
              0
              Quote: Kibb
              "Mouse" mobile bunker was created as a bunker and it was never a tank

              Show me where outriggers are on Mouse.
              1. Kibb
                Kibb April 15 2018 21: 21
                0
                Why does he need outriggers, with his suspension system and weight?
  10. tivivlat
    tivivlat April 13 2018 14: 50
    0
    In fantasy !!!, not like now.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 13 2018 16: 10
      0
      Quote: tivivlat
      In fantasy !!!, not like now.

      Come on! Today, instead of tanks, aircraft-carrying cruisers with S-500 and zircons or submarine nuclear cruisers with PU KR and SAM are offered. smile
      1. Conserp
        Conserp April 13 2018 18: 31
        +1
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Today, instead of tanks, aircraft-carrying cruisers with S-500 and zircons are offered

        I don’t see anything funny in equipping an aircraft carrier with strike weapons and zonal air defense systems. On the contrary, it is American defenseless troughs that are conceptually flawed.
        Both the URC and the air defense system differ from the deck aircraft in their radically better indicators of reaction time and readiness.
        Aviation is also the most effective in interaction with ground / surface complexes, and vice versa - synergetics.

        Moreover, the aircraft carrier already has powerful radio equipment, unlimited energy, and is stable as a platform.
        A slight increase in the displacement of an aircraft carrier is an order of magnitude simpler and cheaper than the construction of heavy escort carrier ships URC and SAM-DB as a whole.

        Quote: Alexey RA
        submarine nuclear cruisers with missile launchers and missiles.

        PLARK with PU KR is generally the norm.
        SAM missiles - to destroy anti-submarine aircraft and helicopters - a necessary thing, relevant and is being actively developed.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA April 17 2018 10: 39
          0
          Quote: Conserp
          I don’t see anything funny in equipping an aircraft carrier with strike weapons and zonal air defense systems.

          This is not funny, it is sad. The main armament of the AB is its deck-based air group. And its reduction is wrecking, because it is impossible to compensate. If the air defense systems and SLCMs can be placed on escort ships, then the planes lost due to the stuffing of non-core weapons by aircraft are not.
          Quote: Conserp
          Both the URC and the air defense system differ from the deck aircraft in their radically better indicators of reaction time and readiness.

          The exchange of aircraft for missiles is a reduction in the forces of over-the-horizon air defense. Namely for her we need AB. In fact, we are reducing the ability to work in the main for the AV zone of 40-600 km for the sake of a ghostly increase in air defense forces in the zone closer than 40 km. That is, by installing an air defense missile defense system on an aircraft, we do reduce our capabilities for zonal air defense with our own hands, lowering the aircraft to the air defense ship of the connection.
          Quote: Conserp
          A slight increase in the displacement of an aircraft carrier is an order of magnitude simpler and cheaper than the construction of heavy escort carrier ships URC and SAM-DB as a whole.

          Songs about the "slight increase in displacement" were sung in the USSR. The result is known:
          Thus, the dimensions of the missiles again directly "crawled out" through the ship. “Armed men” did not understand this at all: “Just think, they added“ just something ”(!) Less than a meter of length and less than a ton (!) Of weight” (meaning a new rocket). Looking ahead, we note that these “only something” cost the ship an extra 13 m of length, 2,3 m of width and 2700 of displacement.
          © V.P. Kuzin
          Just for reference: to place an air defense missile defense system, you will need to increase the width of the ship by 4 meters. Since you will need to put the air-craft on the sides, and even cover them outside the entire height. Or do you want to stick the UVP directly into the hangar? wink
          1. Conserp
            Conserp April 18 2018 00: 34
            +1
            Quote: Alexey RA
            The main armament of the AB is its deck-based air group. And its reduction is wrecking, because it is impossible to compensate.

            The effective size of the air group has a limit beyond which - what to build, what not to build.

            Without an air defense system, an air group cannot effectively provide air defense.

            Quote: Alexey RA
            If the SAM and SLCM can be placed on escort ships

            A pair of such escort ships will cost as a whole aircraft carrier, and not at + 5% of the cost.

            Quote: Alexey RA
            Songs about the "slight increase in displacement" were sung in the USSR.
            This very crafty bike is about 1134B and 1164.
  11. Fedor egoist
    Fedor egoist April 13 2018 16: 46
    +1
    Another generation of the Soviet gloomy genius :) Something suddenly came to my mind:
    Suddenly, one of the panel nine-story buildings majestically began to settle, slowly collapsing. Directly through it, in clubs of concrete dust, slowly, as if not noticing the building, the superheavy Bastion, the main striking force of the Allied forces, rode out into the wasteland. Its main caliber - a 400-mm gun, capable of operating at a pace of forty rounds per minute, swayed at the level of the fifth floor of the neighboring surviving houses. A massive side-mounted turret with a three-barreled rotary gun, turned sideways, seemed tiny compared to the main one. A colossus made of a durable titanium-iridium alloy with additional composite steel armor plates went on six studded tracks, each of which was the width of a Berserker and received thrust from a turbine with a capacity of fifty thousand horsepower, fed, in turn, by an autonomous nuclear reactor. Two blocks with super-powerful ATGMs of twelve each hung on each side of the giant. A heavy rocket fired at the enemy vaporized a Vepr class medium tank and less armored vehicles within a radius of thirty meters of it. The main caliber turned dust into a target of any class, except for the same super-heavy tanks, at a maximum distance beyond the horizon of forty kilometers, naturally, in the presence of the necessary coordinates.
    1. Bersaglieri
      Bersaglieri April 13 2018 23: 31
      +1
      This is an imitation of Berezin, right? A la "The Great Black Ship" and the sequel? Merry punk was 10-15 years ago :)
      1. Fedor egoist
        Fedor egoist April 14 2018 12: 30
        +1
        Yes, it was written with an eye on his work :) One of my first stories))
        1. Bersaglieri
          Bersaglieri April 14 2018 18: 11
          +1
          But all the "Sow" - did not surpass :)
          1. Fedor egoist
            Fedor egoist April 15 2018 11: 30
            +1
            He generally has a lot of interesting wunderwaffes)) The same gigaton torpedoes, for example (an analogue of our "Status"). Nuclear tanks - well, routine :)
            Quote: Bersaglieri
            But all the "Sow" - did not surpass :)

            To beat Berezin in his own field is not an easy task :) By the level of pathos and gigantomania, only the Warhammer 40K series can be put together.
  12. mkpda
    mkpda April 13 2018 19: 23
    +1
    Strong suspicion that this monster was born 50 years later. Very similar to a hoax.
  13. glavnykarapuz
    glavnykarapuz April 13 2018 19: 38
    +2
    Some kind of mentally ill (they were also at that time) "invented" another miracle tank.
  14. Curious
    Curious April 13 2018 22: 55
    +2

    "Earthly battleship" Porokhovshchikova.
    In August 1915, A.A. Porohovshchikov proposed to the military department another project of an armored vehicle with the big name “Earth Armadillo”. The project was developed in two versions: serf and field.
    In the field version, it was a bridge farm made of steel 35 meters long (!) And 3 meters wide, which rested on ten drums, each of which was leading and armored. The diameter of each drum was 2300 mm.
    Inside each of these drums, according to the project documentation, it was planned to place a power compartment (gasoline engine, the power of which was determined in 160-200 hp, gearbox, fuel tank, fan, generator, tool. On the end sides there were embrasures for firing from two machine-gun and bomb-gun The total firepower of the “Earth Armadillo” in this version: 20 bomb-guns and 40 machine-guns.
    So Osokin was by no means the first.
    Another question is when the author will master a normal technical language or begin to apply a converter of quantities that he himself invented.
    Suppose how many millimeters there is a “large” tower, and how many are “small”. And how do "those" differ from "others." It is also interesting which size is considered sufficient and which is insufficient.
  15. Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri April 13 2018 23: 22
    0
    "Iron Kaput", no other way
  16. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 April 14 2018 05: 05
    +1
    Duck, what are you Optimus Prime? laughing
  17. Terminolol
    Terminolol April 14 2018 10: 03
    0
    What a wonderful target for aviation!
  18. sxfRipper
    sxfRipper April 15 2018 11: 22
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    As planned by the lieutenant colonel, a promising superheavy tank could decide on the battlefield
    If he could get to this battlefield.
    Yes, Dyrenkov with his surrogates nervously smokes on the sidelines !!!
  19. sxfRipper
    sxfRipper April 15 2018 11: 27
    0
    an interesting proposal from an enthusiastic designer who tried to help his army, now often becomes the object of ridicule
    Kurchevsky, Dyrenkov is ... Everyone tried to help. How much time and money were really dying on their undertakings ...
  20. Andrey Usachevhj33z67z2hb
    Andrey Usachevhj33z67z2hb April 30 2020 12: 55
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    Oh! It’s a pity that they didn’t put an aircraft carrier on the tracks! Though...