Syrian C-200 systems are vulnerable to modern cruise missiles

Developed almost half a century ago, the S-200 Vega-E air defense system is still in service with the Syrian air defense forces, and the systems have been repeatedly used to repel Israeli attacks aviation, writes Messenger of Mordovia.

However, according to experts, Vega has very few chances to survive in the event of a massive American strike with cruise missiles. The main reason is that “the complex is simply not capable of detecting and hitting objects flying below 500 meters, and modern cruise missiles are approaching the target at an altitude of 30 − 50 meters,” says Viktor Krylov's material.

In addition, a critical disadvantage of the C-200 is the lack of mobility. This greatly increases the vulnerability of the complex. Therefore, most likely, most of the launchers will be lost in the first hours of the American attack, the author notes.

Of course, the risk will be significantly reduced if C-200 positions are covered by Pantsiri-С1 rocket-cannon. But this is unlikely to happen, because much more important objects need such protection.

Today, at the disposal of the Syrian air defense forces are about 50-T launchers C-200VE.

Comments

[the most important]

Let them be targets. They will serve for the last time .. What's the difference, an anti-aircraft missile will destroy a KR or a KR will destroy an anti-aircraft missile? They are mutually destroyed. Put them in the desert, let the enemies see them. Occasionally stir and "indicate the target" to raise the interest of the adversary. At least some benefit will be.

[barclay]

Interestingly, at a cost they are more expensive or cheaper than "Toporov"? I suspect it’s cheaper. Then let the Americans spend "smart, beautiful, etc." rockets.

[LiSiCyn]

Can I remake them? The S-125, like the Iranians, was redone for ground targets ... Luck, lastly, for the nearest barmels ..

[Lavrenti Pavlovich]

S-200 and without alteration is able to hit ground targets (seen), I think it is possible and on the sea (but did not see).

[Normal ok]

Quote: Lavrenty Pavlovich

C-200 and without alteration is able to hit ground targets

"Smoked falling rocket
but the calculation ran from her ... "

[okko077]

I really like the deployed company for dummies, which assumes that air defense should or can intercept almost 90% of missiles or other targets ... Ask the pilots: they will answer you that targets, even with air defense cover, will be destroyed with a probability of again 90 % ??? Doesn't it happen? Add: 0,9 + 0,9> 1? For whom are the statements about the ability to intercept most of the targets in the attack intended? On gray inhabitants, no more!
The attacking side chooses the means and the sequence of their application, taking into account the characteristics of the enemy’s air defense ... And it has an advantage in this regard, up to false attacks and targets, and the use of several waves of attack ....
If there is a well-planned and well-organized attack, even the S-400 will not save anyone ... This is understandable to any specialist ... And there is no need to draw superficial conclusions and rely on some super-capabilities of air defense ....

[SEER]

Quote: okko077

I really like the deployed company for dummies, which assumes that air defense should or can intercept almost 90% of missiles or other targets ... Ask the pilots: they will answer you that targets, even with air defense cover, will be destroyed with a probability of again 90 % ??? Doesn't it happen? Add: 0,9 + 0,9> 1? For whom are the statements about the ability to intercept most of the targets in the attack intended? On gray inhabitants, no more!
The attacking side chooses the means and the sequence of their application, taking into account the characteristics of the enemy’s air defense ... And it has an advantage in this regard, up to false attacks and targets, and the use of several waves of attack ....
If there is a well-planned and well-organized attack, even the S-400 will not save anyone ... This is understandable to any specialist ... And there is no need to draw superficial conclusions and rely on some super-capabilities of air defense ....

Is your last name probably Columbus? All so laid out on the shelves ...

[alstr]

Probabilities add up differently. And can not be more than 1.

[210ox]

The complex simply was not originally intended to deal with low-flying and targets .. Here and a hedgehog it is clear that they should be left for seed.

Quote: barclay

Interestingly, at a cost they are more expensive or cheaper than "Toporov"? I suspect it’s cheaper. Then let the Americans spend "smart, beautiful, etc." rockets.

[Operator]

barclay

C-200 for Syria costs zero rubles zero kopecks - they were presented by the Soviet Union.

The cost of the Tomahawk cruise missile is an order of magnitude higher than the cost of the C-300 anti-aircraft missile, but taking into account the cost of launchers, transport-loading vehicles, command posts and air defense radar systems, the cost of missiles is single-order.

[Vard]

By the way, a very sensible remark ... This not only works in this case ... I heard there are inflatable mock-ups ... it worked very well in Libya at one time ...

[Vladimir 5]

In this case, it’s advisable to instruct the inflatable if it’s in vain that this main Serdyukov’s weapon is rotting .. And the C200 can be relocated to aircraft borders or to Lebanon by plane carriers, maybe they will get someone ...

[nikoliski]

The S-200 with a minimum interception height of 50 meters will in no way knock down the Kyrgyz Republic with a flight altitude of about 30 meters, which is why we removed it from the arsenal for 200 long ago, the newer S-300s had a minimum speed of 25 meters (s-400 minimum speed 10 meters, almost like a short-range air defense system torus and shell)

[alstr]

In height for the s-300, I learned other data (10 m), and on the S-400 it is stated 5 m in height

[Shahno]

Not really .... In the highlands there is a "curvature of the earth." Meters like 100, even with 500, will not help against such a cr ... Even if the target ribs work, the chances of protecting the object are less than 50 percents ... Well, if you sing at xnumx km ha tikva, then there are chances .. The only way out is to increase the density and full perimeter control at the 10 km distance, which is sooo expensive. By the way, where are your A 100 ...

[alstr]

Not really what?

[Shahno]

It’s not realistic to escort, issue a command at such heights unless of course a solid fuel engine is not a desert ... in the absence of any opposition. So I ask where is A 100, this is a solution to some of the problems ... A CD or a sniper practically does not give a light ... the real target, the EPR is blurry and disappears every 0.1 seconds. I will not envy the operator, especially the Arab ...

[alstr]

Very real. You just do not quite understand how everything happens.
Yes, the S-300/400 complex will have holes due to the terrain, but they usually place it in the most probable directions of the strike of the RC and taking into account the terrain. At the same time, the defense is built in such a way that 2 divisions can fire at any target.
Moreover, if there is something like a gorge (plus the likelihood of using it), then they put complexes of a smaller radius of action (Armor, Torah and Buki).
Plus, in the final section, the backlight plays practically no role in the control center, because the head itself already sees the target.

PS By the way, the operator’s work in normal conditions consists in pressing the start button, but if there is interference, then yes - manual tracking.

[Shahno]

I already wrote above with the right approach, yes ... But for today no, see April 9 .... Well, I specially mentioned interference to you ...

[nikoliski]

10m for the last version of the s-300 is a favorite, while the s-400 is still the same 10 meters, but journalists everywhere poke about 5m simply because the proximity fuse fires when missed up to 5 meters (theoretically, you can shoot a helicopter hanging 5 meters at missiles fly over it) but in practice you need a terrain as flat as a table (even in the desert there are dunes)

[alstr]

The funny thing is that it’s more than 10 meters and is not necessary, because the rocket will go down from a low flying target and will give a directional cone in the explosion. The radius of destruction there is not 10 meters (well, if you take into account that there are explosives from 24 to 100 kg).

You can still write, but I'm afraid that it will go beyond open sources.

Threat By the way, the height of the defeat on the ground is determined not by the radar, but by a rocket. And only the first rocket could not work at an altitude of 10 m (type K), and the next (type P) was already working.

[Yaro Polk]

It’s better to send them to KUK at the same time, (if this is possible), you look, at least one will reach the goal))

[NKT]

It is necessary for our inflatable layouts to deploy more, let them shoot at them)

[Archivist Vasya]

Thanks Cap, and the Syrians do not know ... There is nothing to be done, if there is nothing to cover.

[Magic archer]

With proper modification, it can still serve (replacement of electronics, new radars), but who will do it and at whose expense?

[alex-cn]

Yes, the complex itself was the end of the 660s, but Syria s200ve, perhaps the electronics are already new. But still, the complex was intended to deal with bombers, so that it would be difficult for him to cope with the tomahawks.

[bazzbazz]

They wrote obvious things ... Maybe in these 2 days the Syrians have already managed to change their positions) the weapon, although old, is not useless! you need to protect what is.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: bazzbazz

Maybe for these 2 days the Syrians have already managed to change positions)

To dig and transfer concrete bases for PU and the entire cable network?
S-200 is a stationary complex. This is a fee for the range of the air defense system, for which, for example, it was necessary to make a 7-ton SAM system.
Here, you can estimate the size of the PU:

[bazzbazz]

It was a joke)

[Samara_63]

This is a photo from Syria, but for 1983, by the way, our calculation is from Homs

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Samara_63

This is a photo from Syria, but for 1983, by the way, our calculation is from Homs

So yes - I tried to pick from those parts.
And then this zrr was brought out from there near Tula - in 1994 I passed training camp in it. The heartbreaking sight of the former formidable power, rusting in the open air - empty barracks, a parade ground, where there were more of us on the morning divorce than the local l / s, the gates frozen in different positions of the launcher and standing in the open field - without a fence.

[Dezinto]

Nnu ... I don’t know how it is purely technical.
But I recall a case in Yugoslavia when a stealth plane, which was completely invisible, was shot down by a rocket of the development of the 60s, and somehow the rocket did not notice the entire high-tech aircraft complex.
Maybe these missiles will not notice that they fly below 500 meters, and so suddenly they meet with high-tech tomahawks?

[faiver]

wait and see ...

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: faiver

wait and see ...

Well, in general, not long ago, our F-200 came under C-16. But on the other hand, the Syrians had to pay for it.

[faiver]

to be honest - I have nothing against the Jews, but this arrogance -

the Syrians had to pay for it.

- it’s just killing, and that’s all of Israel, I’m just afraid, sooner or later, the clerk of Israel is paying the bribe ..

[Yaro Polk]

A Jew is boasting)

[Shahno]

So I think ... You will be thinking with your law when they come to your house to kill, poison, burn in the oven. That time has passed, we won’t think more ... This is a Russian proverb, don’t wake it up ...

[faiver]

so this saying applies to Russians
when did you behave quietly?

[Shahno]

Yes there was a time ... When millions of 6 were destroyed ... By the way, today is a day of remembrance.

[faiver]

they rest in peace, like all other victims of the Third Reich ...

[Shahno]

Thanks. Recall them, those who died, for faith and for their homeland ...

[smart ass]

About 30 million residents of the USSR, then let’s also remember

[Fedorov]

In 1995, this complex stood like a museum. One in boxing, one in the open. Everyone has long switched to the S-300, Buki, Torah. Although he could deliver a vigorous head for 200 km quite successfully. In principle, no one taught him, well done guys, they remember something.

[nikoliski]

I don’t understand how the vaunted CIA can’t find out the exact coordinates of Assad’s bunker? I understand that he’s moving, then all of his potential hiding places? And strike them, because he destroyed Assad and put (as they like and do everywhere) his new president , they will kick the Russians out of the country (as in Iraq the new government declared that Iraq owes Russia nothing, they say we "forgave" your 7 billion bucks occupied by "tyrant" Hussein) And since they usually hit the old twinkle 21 at airfields and what will they achieve? the feeling that everything in the State Department is on IQ like Jen Psaki, who, by the way, went there after the decree, probably such "scholars" consider it appropriate to beat Syria and help Poroshenko, instead of selling the interests of Ukraine, say in exchange for the Russian market, in general, in the last 5 -6 years in the actions of the United States, I don’t even remotely pick up logic, except that they strive to rule the whole world (probably their Masons all dream of raising Mesiakh to the throne, according to our antichrist, to rule over the whole planet, only while their presidents are stupid, on Mesiakh do not pull at all)

[Geosun]

But they will not succeed in putting their president in, since they no longer control Syria.

[Shahno]

And what is Assad rushed to Iran .... Druganov urinate him ....? Is it not these Druganovs who have poured Old info bypassing your own interests ... Fussed, setting up ... Well done, I understood the hint ...

[K-50]

However, according to experts, Vega has very few chances to survive in the event of a massive American strike by cruise missiles.

No complex will save from a massive strike by cruise missiles, due to the finiteness of the ammunition.
I think we upgraded Vega so that it could receive target designations from newer guidance tools, if this has not been done for some reason so far, then this is an obvious flaw.

[Kostadinov]

Everything that flies below 500 meters should be destroyed by land mines.

[Sars]

Syrians need to say that with an American attack, all S-200 missiles fly off at ground targets in Israel, and the Scuds fly off at American bases, and also about Israel.

[Topotun]

Strange, on the manufacturer’s website there is a characteristic:
target height - minimum 0,3 / 0,05 / n.d. (n / a slant range).
If you believe this, with an inclined range of 100 km, the target’s height is at least 30 m. It’s quite enough to detect and use missiles. True, it is stipulated that it is necessary to use the V-860PV and V-880 missiles (like their heads had GOS with the ability to search for targets. If I understood correctly, of course.

[Shahno]

And now enter into your calculation the retention time of the target, and mountains 100m high ... The situation will change somewhat.

[Topotun]

There are no ideal conditions. Any air defense system has certain limitations. As for the S-200, if I correctly understood the instructions for combat use (available on the Internet, declassified), the possibility of a pre-emptive launch is provided, according to data from an external launcher .... There are many options. No one says that the old man is still very cool. But something else he can.

[Olegovi4]

I wonder if it was possible to connect these stationary old men with the A-50, for target designation?

[konstantin68]

“The complex is simply not able to detect and hit objects flying below 500 meters,
This, again, according to the stated data. Caliber 3m-14 was also declared at 300, then 1500 moved, but in fact ...

[Operator]

Without exception, all air defense systems are vulnerable to cruise missiles and especially to small air-to-surface missiles for an elementary reason - the number of medium / long-range missiles on a C-200 / 300 / 400 / 500 battery is limited to a few units, and they can be thrown in dozens of missiles air-to-surface.

The only way out is to deploy active defense systems around small C-200 / 300 / 400 / 500 batteries in the form of small anti-ballistic missiles like the American MNTK, but the command of the Russian Air Force does not flatter that the air defense system exists on paper only.

In Syria, all Russian and Syrian air defense systems will be delivered in the first strike by air-to-surface missiles from aircraft of the USA, France, Britain and Germany, which will not even enter the air defense zone. After that, cruise missiles will be hit.

The "Tor" SAM is small, the ammunition load of each of them is also small and expensive compared to the MNTK, which cost a penny and are located in the simplest containers of 1x1x1 m of 100 pieces each.

50 ISTC containers will intercept all cruise missiles of NATO countries combined, another 40 ISTC containers will intercept all air-to-surface missiles launched by 1000 NATO aircraft in one take-off.

[turbris]

The article contains the long-known facts about the S-200 air defense system, the complex is not mobile and single-channel for the purpose, it is generally not designed to combat the Kyrgyz Republic. And of course, it cannot be used for land and sea purposes, which is where the blogger saw a mystery for me. But it has its own advantages, it can hit carriers of the Kyrgyz Republic at ranges up to 240 km, so it is quite capable of reaching targets in Lebanon. The stationary positions of the complex should be covered by the Shell and then the old man will be able to spoil the mood of many doubters.

[Old26]

Quote: barclay

Interestingly, at a cost they are more expensive or cheaper than "Toporov"? I suspect it’s cheaper. Then let the Americans spend "smart, beautiful, etc." rockets.

Expensive. After all, an air defense system is not only a missile launcher, but also radars ...

Quote: Vladimir 5

In this case, it’s advisable to instruct the inflatable if it’s in vain that this main Serdyukov’s weapon is rotting .. And the C200 can be relocated to aircraft borders or to Lebanon by plane carriers, maybe they will get someone ...

If these multi-toned "fools" could be easily relocated, they would have done so long ago. It’s all about the very big weight of this whole complex

Quote: nikoliski

I don’t understand how the vaunted CIA cannot figure out the exact coordinates of Assad’s bunker?

Nikolay! nobody will say such things openly, such as "Do we know where the bunker is" ,,,
Why give the enemy the opportunity to relocate. They are silent about such things, and if such infa appears in the media, this is a usual disinfection discharge

Quote: SarS

Syrians need to say that with an American attack, all S-200 missiles fly off at ground targets in Israel, and the Scuds fly off at American bases, and also about Israel.

Do you think this will derail the American blow, as the Americans will lie on the sidelines from laughter?
Syria may declare that it will strike missiles of the S-200 complex even in Washington. But Assad isn’t a finished bolvan in order to start a war with Israel and the USA in the internal situation that he has. Even with our help, he does not control the situation throughout the territory. What will happen when they begin to destroy it systematically. After all, ours are in Syria to help resolve internal issues with the opposition. There is no mutual assistance agreement with Syria. So he will not have to rely on our military assistance. But again, he’s not a complete bolvan in order to get into this adventure too ...

Quote: Topotun

target height - minimum 0,3 / 0,05 / n.d. (n / a slant range).
If you believe this, with an inclined range of 100 km, the target height is at least 30 m.

Comrad. The height of 0,3 km is Three hundred meters

Quote: konstantin68

This, again, according to the stated data. Caliber 3m-14 was also declared at 300, then 1500 was moved, but in fact

Caliber 3M14E as it was declared for 300 km, and remained with such a range. Nobody spoke about their own standing missiles of this type. If the journalists slept for two years (and even 2 years before the strike on Syria, the commander of the KVFL announced approximate ranges) - then this is their problem. Then they started their game on this, they say "but it turns out like"

[23424636]

200 complex thing is serious and independently, even in the 70s it didn’t function and it was covered by S-125 and S-75 for low-flying .. It is intended for high-rise workers and to destroy group targets. the enemy is on the way to the protected object .. This complex has the ability to use a 3-head nuclear component, when Tipo Yankees decide to bomb Russia from the airfields of Norway or Germany, then in the Baltic or Sweden they will catch their luminous ashes