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Roscosmos approved the draft design of the carrier "Soyuz-5"

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The commission of Roscosmos State Corporation adopted the draft design of a new medium launch vehicle, Soyuz-5, reports press office corporations.




It is noted that the carrier will also be used "for testing the key elements of the space rocket complex of the super heavy class developed by RSC Energia".

According to the information, the documentation was “developed in cooperation with the RCC“ Progress ”, NPO Energomash, SIC RCP, KBKhA, NPTs AP, NPO automatics, branch of FSUE“ TsENKI ”- NIISK, TsNIImash, IPU RAS, TSNIISM, NPO Tekhnomash, IRZ , NPO IT, OKB "Spectr", "IRZ-Svyaz" and FSBEI of HE "Moscow Technological University" ”.

The developers have done a large amount of design studies to determine the appearance and characteristics of the middle-class launch vehicle complex, which confirmed the possibility of launching manned transport ships up to 15,5 tons into Earth orbit, as well as automatic spacecraft launches (using an upper stage) into near-earth orbits and departure trajectories to the bodies of the solar system,
says release.

"Soyuz-5" is a two-stage middle class carrier rocket with a sequential arrangement of steps. Its production is planned at the RCC "Progress" in Samara.

The corporation brought some characteristics of the rocket: “the launch weight is about 530 t, the length of 61,87 m (with the Federation 65,9 m manned transport vehicle), the diameter of 4,1 m, the first stage engine - RD171MB, the second stage engine - RD0124MS. Fuel components: oxidizer - liquid oxygen, fuel - naphthyl. The mass of the payload being withdrawn to a low near-earth orbit from the BAYKONUR cosmodrome is about 18 tons. ”
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  1. Samara_63
    Samara_63 April 12 2018 15: 01
    +2
    RCC Progress is now beheaded ... Director General under investigation ...
    1. Vard
      Vard April 12 2018 15: 04
      +2
      Alas ... the desire to postpone and old age to my beloved turned out to be insurmountable ... But this does not affect the functioning of the enterprise ...
      1. Samara_63
        Samara_63 April 12 2018 15: 14
        0
        They say that this sketch is his ... so he is a talented design engineer

        There, his daughter seemed to have framed ...
        1. Logall
          Logall April 12 2018 15: 21
          +2
          Quote: Samara_63
          There, his daughter seemed to have framed ...

          The investigation will figure it out! Everyone is conditional, everyone is happy ...
          The audience will get a little excited, a little noisy, calm down ...
    2. Borik
      Borik April 12 2018 15: 06
      +2
      So for this rocket sketch, millions gave.

      So this is the middle class. That’s 1,5 billion for a heavy sketch. The error came out ..
      1. Logall
        Logall April 12 2018 15: 15
        +1
        So you need to give a million, a million years, so that enough for the grandchildren!
        Of course, it’s not worth planting grandchildren. But to remember ...
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk April 12 2018 15: 44
          0
          Quote: Logall
          So you need to give a million, a million years, so that enough for the grandchildren!
          Of course, it’s not worth planting grandchildren. But to remember ...

          Why not worth it? Worth it. And very much so. In the "sharashka" him and let him work .., On the project "Union - 6". I'm not talking about grandchildren. They have nothing to do with it.
  2. Kasym
    Kasym April 12 2018 15: 07
    +5
    Soyuz-5 is an analogue of Zenith. Kazakhstan has committed itself to the launch complex at Baikonur for this launch vehicle. hi
    1. avt
      avt April 12 2018 16: 02
      +2
      Quote: Kasym
      Soyuz-5 is an analogue of Zenith.

      wassat what Rather, an ALTERNATIVE. Type
      They took the log merrily and carried it merrily
      bully The trick is that you don’t need to do the table itself, as for “Angara” - two in Tyur, in Plesetsk and Vostochny. The thought is simple, like an orange, to unfasten the third step in the form of 4 blocks - to make circumcision, Seven "and
      with a flick of the wrist, the pants turn ... the pants turn ... into elegant shorts
      bully But
      Quote: Samara_63
      RCC Progress is now beheaded ... Director General under investigation ...

      so in continuation
      We apologize for this small, technical issue.
      wassat So by and large
      Quote: Kasym
      on Baikonur for this launch vehicle.

      actually nothing is needed
      Quote: Kasym
      Kazakhstan has committed to the launch complex

      two tables have been working since the days of the USSR, well, the others Az mentioned above. Well, what happens already in the metal .... Wait and see.
      1. Kasym
        Kasym April 12 2018 16: 20
        +2
        Good day, ABT!
        Modernization or repair of the launch pad depended precisely on this conceptual design (at least, as I understand it). The fact is that the starting mass went uphill. 530t. instead of 480t. Zenith-3СЛБ (if memory serves). And as I understand it, about 300 million dollars. laid down for these tasks in our budget. hi
        1. avt
          avt April 12 2018 18: 19
          +1
          Quote: Kasym
          Modernization or repair of the launch pad depended precisely on this conceptual design (at least, as I understand it).

          hi I don’t know what miracles the effective bonuses at the helm of the astronautics helm are being painted by the current astronautics manager, but even Barmin would hell alter the start of “Zenith” to “Seven.” and a liter enema with turpentine and gramophone needles. Well for brain cleansing. By the way, to the current chicks of the perestroika and the market, it would completely add efficiency in team managementbully Just a search engine to take an interest in how the Seven is held on the table! and how ,, Zenith. "
          Quote: Kasym
          The fact is that the starting mass went uphill. 530t. instead of 480t.

          The chip in the other is HOW and how much do you need to redo under the cropped Seven, imagine? To draw and even make a medium is not even half the battle. How to pile a table under it with all the infrastructure - this is where the grandmas are unmeasured. And here, even, according to the developers, there is no need to bother with the starting table - everything is already there, including French Guiana, which Az the sinner forgot to mention in the first comment.
          Quote: mark1
          Ingenious! Elon Musk obosrod, sorry, fucked up!

          Well, Musk is already in attendance
          Quote: mark1
          sorry, sorry, managed it!

          with his pyramid including Tesla. Although I pay tribute - technically, it was more costly and beautiful than the late Mavrodi. Yes, even the BAB with AVVOY - well, with a folk car vacuumed pockets more cynically.
          Quote: mark1
          You claim

          Az sinful only draws conclusions from the material presented and not as not
          Quote: mark1
          obviously based on the figure)
          Since Az was sinful during it, he was trained and still remembers something about what is a draft design. Yes, and abbreviations
          with RSC "Progress", NPO Energomash, SIC RCP, KBHA, SPC AP, NPO automation, a branch of FSUE TsENKI - NIISK, TsNIImash, IPU RAS, TsNIISM, NPO Tekhnomash, IRZ, NPO IT, OKB Spektr, "IRZ-Svyaz" and FSBEI of HE "Moscow Technological University".
          still say something, although such new-mannered as
          FSUE "TSENKI"
          in the absence of the departed Ministry of General Engineering.
          1. Aqr009
            Aqr009 April 12 2018 21: 15
            +2
            You are confusing something. Soyuz-2 and Soyuz-5 are fundamentally different missiles. At the moment, Soyuz-5 looks like this:


          2. Kasym
            Kasym April 12 2018 22: 19
            +1
            ".... The Baiterek complex is planned to be created on the basis of the cosmodrome platform No. 45, designed to launch Zenit rockets. From January 2018, the infrastructure for Zenit rockets will begin to be transferred to the ownership of Kazakhstan. The platform includes two launchers as part of of the international project "Land Launch" and the DESTROYED accident of 1990 ...
            ... Estimated cost of creating ILV ... 500mln., For the modernization of the infrastructure of Baikonur ... 245mln.dol. In connection with the reorientation in 2017. manned launches from Angara-A5P to Soyuz-5, and accordingly, with increasing security requirements, the final cost may grow ... ". hi
            Our Soyuz-5 is called "Sunkar" (Falcon).
          3. mark1
            mark1 April 12 2018 22: 55
            0
            Quote: avt
            Az sinful only draws conclusions from the material presented and not as not
            Quote: mark1
            obviously based on the figure)
            Since Az was sinful during it, he was trained and still remembers something about what is a draft design. Yes, and abbreviations
            with RSC "Progress", NPO Energomash, SIC RCP, KBHA, SPC AP, NPO automation, a branch of FSUE TsENKI - NIISK, TsNIImash, IPU RAS, TsNIISM, NPO Tekhnomash, IRZ, NPO IT, OKB Spektr, "IRZ-Svyaz" and FSBEI of HE "Moscow Technological University".
            still say something, although such new-mannered as
            FSUE "TSENKI"
            in the absence of the departed Ministry of General Engineering

            Packs, packs like cherubs ... So you are familiar (at least in general terms) with the outline design and say that Soyuz-5 is the development of Soyuz-2 and not Zenith? The news is interesting, but somehow it's not logical in the light of previous posts. As far as I know, Soyuz-2 is basically - it was the original version (a very long time ago). Though ...
            Quote: avt
            abbreviations
            with RSC "Progress", NPO Energomash, SIC RCP, KBHA, SPC AP, NPO automation, a branch of FSUE TsENKI - NIISK, TsNIImash, IPU RAS, TsNIISM, NPO Tekhnomash, IRZ, NPO IT, OKB Spektr, "IRZ-Svyaz" and FSBEI of HE "Moscow Technological University".

            Of course they tell me less than you, not my profile, so I don’t dispute anything
      2. mark1
        mark1 April 12 2018 17: 30
        0
        Quote: avt
        The trick is that you don’t need to do the table itself, as for “Angara” - two in Tyur, in Plesetsk and Vostochny. The thought is simple, like an orange, to unfasten the third step in the form of 4 blocks - to make circumcision, Seven "and

        Ie (obviously, based on the above figure), you say that in the second stage of the Soyuz 2 LV, instead of the RD-107, the RD-170 was stuck and everything turned out to be the "Soyuz 5"? Ingenious! Elon Musk obosrod, sorry, fucked up!
    2. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb April 13 2018 02: 33
      0
      Quote: Kasym
      Soyuz-5 is an analogue of Zenith. Kazakhstan has committed itself to the launch complex at Baikonur for this launch vehicle. hi

      aha
      import-substituted version
  3. RUSS
    RUSS April 12 2018 15: 21
    +2
    The Soyuz-5 rocket will be half the cost of the Falcon-9


    Competitive advantages will allow Russia to attract new customers to the space industry.
    General Director of the state corporation Roscosmos Igor Komarov said that increased requirements are being placed on the Soyuz-5 launch vehicle, a draft design of which has already been approved, Rossiyskaya Gazeta reports.

    Komarov noted that the low cost of the rocket will allow reaching a new level in the cost of removing the payload.

    This rocket has very stringent requirements. Let's say it should be no more than $ 30-35 million

    Igor Komarov

    Such a cost will allow attracting a large number of foreign customers to the commercial use of Russian missiles and launch infrastructure. Experts note that if the design of the Soyuz-5 rocket and the test launch are completed on time, Roscosmos will be able for many years to bypass one of the main players in the market of commercial launches - SpaceX, which estimated the cost of launching the Falcon-9 launch vehicle at $ 60 million .
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 April 12 2018 15: 38
      +3
      Even optimistic:
      22 - the year the first launch of the light version.
      23-24 - commercial operation.

      By then, the latest 9 block 5 (which flies on April 24) will already be a departing rocket. Volcano and NewGlenn will come, well, Mask will actively finish his own, otherwise Bezos and YULA will eat him.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 13 2018 11: 44
      +1
      "Let's say it should be no more than $ 30-35 million." This is simply an impossible task - the entire rocket of a billion 3 rubles - the minimum will cost.
  4. sabakina
    sabakina April 12 2018 15: 23
    +5
    I would not approve. The nose is somehow long, and the tail is somehow not so ... Damn, I'm really in shock! Korolev also rushed to sign with sketches? There is nothing superfluous in the launch vehicle and the rocket profile is determined by the laws of physics, and not by aesthetics.
    1. zoolu350
      zoolu350 April 12 2018 15: 51
      +4
      Yes, where does the nose and tail? Having described the round about 30 years old, the Russian oligarchy returned to the Zenit launch vehicle as the main and spacecraft Zarya, while at the same time having washed down the completely unnecessary Angara launch vehicle. Conclusion: full x ..... engaged in 25 years.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 13 2018 11: 47
        0
        That's the same - you already have to deal with air launch and single-stage aerospace aircraft, rockets to bring the load into orbit - yesterday.
  5. Archivist Vasya
    Archivist Vasya April 12 2018 15: 31
    0
    How much did the sketch cost? So much new in the guise of a rocket, horror already! wassat

    PS Pencil he is a pencil. Better talk about the content.
  6. dgonni
    dgonni April 12 2018 15: 49
    +1
    The sketch is approved, excellent. But if you look a little deeper, then in fact this Union-5 is an analogue of the Falcon 9 Full Thrust with the worst performance in terms of outputting the load on the DOE. And if you take into account that the Falcons fly stably and often then the Union-5 has no prospects in fact from the word waabsche. For by the time of the first launch at Ilon, the BFR and the Heavy Falcon will fly with might and main. Nine will be models of block9 or even 10. In general, resting on our laurels has borne fruit. Cosmonautics in a fierce strike. What is really sad. sad
    1. avt
      avt April 12 2018 16: 16
      0
      Quote: dgonni
      Yeskiz approved

      actually
      Quote: dgonni
      Eskiz
      as
      Quote: sabakina
      The nose is somehow long, and the tail is somehow not that ..
      and other masked rubbish online hamsters really
      Quote: dgonni
      there is really sad.

      Quote: sabakina
      There is nothing superfluous in the launch vehicle and the rocket profile is determined by the laws of physics, and not by aesthetics.

      Well, straight space wolves - swam! We know! fool You two with
      Quote: dgonni
      dgonni

      at least a half of the hydrolytic in life at least once tried on the site? Or like that - immediately from the egg in the form of yolk
      Quote: dgonni
      Cosmonautics in a fierce strike.

      Are you broadcasting?
      Quote: sabakina
      Korolev also rushed to sign with sketches?

      Not only he ran, but also mock-ups of wood planed, and even craftsmen made craftsmanship on the scale of the scale and that smoke would come out from under the model rocket when it was necessary to show the ministers and representatives of the Central Committee.
      1. dgonni
        dgonni April 12 2018 16: 44
        0
        Hydrolytic? wink And you are a naughty man. On the site I didn’t drink the stump, but from the alcohol carrier, which MIG-25 was drinking and repeatedly.
        1. avt
          avt April 12 2018 17: 56
          0
          Quote: dgonni
          and from an alcohol truck, well, which MIG-25 was drinking and repeatedly.

          Oh, you're lying! You're lying to the king!
          The alcohol was a certificate for cooling some devices, and everything else was massandra. And hydrolysis was never prescribed on devices NEVER and ANYWHERE. And among flyers and techies MiG -25
          Quote: dgonni
          from an alcohol truck well, which is MIG-25
          I’ve never heard such a thing - ,, alcohol truck ". ,, Grocery store" -yes, but that ,, alcohol truck "! No. Such rudeness in relation to the airplane, the flyers did not allow ....
    2. Kasym
      Kasym April 12 2018 16: 23
      +2
      No, this is an analogue of your Zenith. I don’t think that Mask will do things in space. hi
      1. dgonni
        dgonni April 12 2018 16: 41
        +1
        Is that in that sense?
        That's when Falcon 1 flies them, then we'll talk.
        That's when there will be customers, then we'll talk.
        That's when there will be a contract with NASA, then we'll talk.
        That's when Falcon 9 flies them, then we'll talk.
        That's when they build their ship then we'll talk.
        That's when he reaches the ISS, then we'll talk.
        When we launch geostationary satellites, then we'll talk.
        That's when they figure out how to plant missiles, then we'll talk.
        That's when they put at least one, then we'll talk.
        That's when they put on a barge, then we'll talk.
        That's when they start to plant after the withdrawal of the GPO, then we'll talk.
        Here when the second-hand rocket will fly, then we will talk.
        === You are here ===
        That's when they launch their Falcon Heavy, then we'll talk.
        That's when they make their Dragon 2, then we'll talk.
        That's when they start to carry people, then we'll talk.
        That's when they launch the device to the moon, then we'll talk.
        That's when they learn to land a ship without parachutes, then we'll talk.
        That's when they launch Red Dragon, then we'll talk.
        That's when he sits on Mars, then we'll talk.
        That's when they make their Martian transport, then we'll talk.
        That's when people land on Mars, then we'll talk.
        That's when Mars is colonized, then we'll talk.
        That's when Mars is terraformed, then we'll talk.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac April 12 2018 20: 55
          +2
          Quote: dgonni
          === You are here ===

          That's when you run to the toilet - then we'll talk
          === You are here ===
          That's when you take off your pants - then we'll talk



          Have you tried to live your own mind? Or are you going to quote other people's nonsense?
          1. dgonni
            dgonni April 13 2018 10: 54
            +1
            I simply showed the dynamics of sarcasm and the dullness of the higher establishment, which, speaking on its laurels, spoke for trampolines and the impossibility of returning the steps with their reuse. As it turned out, progress does not stand still and catching up will be very difficult. And in order to overtake, breakthrough projects are needed and obviously not Union-5 through a certain number of years.
            1. Setrac
              Setrac April 13 2018 19: 21
              0
              Quote: dgonni
              I simply showed the dynamics of sarcasm and the dullness of the higher establishment, which, speaking on its laurels, spoke for trampolines and the impossibility of returning the steps with their reuse.

              But not the Americans came up with this, well, use Google, what are you like children? there were similar projects in Russia.
              Quote: dgonni
              As it turned out, progress does not stand still and catching up will be very difficult.

              Chemical-propelled rockets are close to the limit of their development, there is no room for competition.
        2. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan April 12 2018 22: 09
          0
          Max’s reusable spacecraft project will work the same way as the Space Shuttle project until the second accident involving reusable stages ...

          And the second point, what does NASA, Elon Musk and the American space system have to do with Ukraine ?! For me it’s not so, so why are you tearing one place to yourself praising her ?!

          The United States so far flies into space on Russian rockets and ships and pays for it at 75-80 million dollars for each astronaut and the seats are reserved for several years in advance !!!

          And what about the successes of space with space ?! let's talk together laugh at what place you are in this area))))))))))))))))))))))
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 April 13 2018 11: 53
            0
            “Max’s reusable craft project will work just like the Space Shuttle project until the second crash involving reusable steps ...” Unlike NASA, mask engineers will be smarter than flying through numerous trials - the guys will definitely take into account all Shuttle errors.
  7. wicked pinnochio
    wicked pinnochio April 12 2018 18: 13
    +1
    when we finally get rid of these inefficient state corporations and finally get back to the Ministry of General Engineering
    1. kipod
      kipod April 12 2018 18: 14
      0
      Quote: wicked pinnochio
      when we finally get rid of these inefficient state corporations and finally get back to the Ministry of General Engineering

      What's the difference ? belay
      1. wicked pinnochio
        wicked pinnochio April 12 2018 18: 17
        +1
        less than in state corporations and little efficiency
      2. avt
        avt April 12 2018 19: 02
        0
        Quote: kipod
        What's the difference ?

        But for example, the Homeland is in danger and Uncle Lenya calls Afanasyev, well, it’s direct to him without telling about Svyayry Invystitsii and the All-Regulating Market, without promotions, bonuses and anuses - ,, Don’t do it, put it to the wall. "And he Uncle Lena, not Stalin, really believes and ... they did. Fiction, not a fairy tale. Then there were ,, We were born to make a fairy tale come true, to overcome space and space ... "And not the rate of $ and track the dow at Johns.
  8. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan April 12 2018 22: 04
    0
    Soyuz-5, and why is it ?! And what about the Angara project ?! The hangar, however, seems to be modular and covered all classes of carriers from light to super heavy ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 13 2018 11: 54
      0
      Roscosmos simply has nothing to do, so it creates a bicycle 30 years ago anew.
  9. lance
    lance April 13 2018 20: 13
    0
    Ragozin is interesting, you yourself don’t see that this is pornography for 100 million. bucks? well then you are
  10. VOENOBOZ
    VOENOBOZ April 13 2018 20: 17
    0
    And why are Protons and Progress bad?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 13 2018 22: 30
      0
      It is expensive to remove a foreign payload - toxic fuel.