Roscosmos approved the draft design of the carrier "Soyuz-5"

The commission of Roscosmos State Corporation adopted the draft design of a new medium launch vehicle, Soyuz-5, reports press office corporations.

It is noted that the carrier will also be used "for testing the key elements of the space rocket complex of the super heavy class developed by RSC Energia".

According to the information, the documentation was “developed in cooperation with the RCC“ Progress ”, NPO Energomash, SIC RCP, KBKhA, NPTs AP, NPO automatics, branch of FSUE“ TsENKI ”- NIISK, TsNIImash, IPU RAS, TSNIISM, NPO Tekhnomash, IRZ , NPO IT, OKB "Spectr", "IRZ-Svyaz" and FSBEI of HE "Moscow Technological University" ”.

The developers have done a large amount of design studies to determine the appearance and characteristics of the middle-class launch vehicle complex, which confirmed the possibility of launching manned transport ships up to 15,5 tons into Earth orbit, as well as automatic spacecraft launches (using an upper stage) into near-earth orbits and departure trajectories to the bodies of the solar system,

says release.

"Soyuz-5" is a two-stage middle class carrier rocket with a sequential arrangement of steps. Its production is planned at the RCC "Progress" in Samara.

The corporation brought some characteristics of the rocket: “the launch weight is about 530 t, the length of 61,87 m (with the Federation 65,9 m manned transport vehicle), the diameter of 4,1 m, the first stage engine - RD171MB, the second stage engine - RD0124MS. Fuel components: oxidizer - liquid oxygen, fuel - naphthyl. The mass of the payload being withdrawn to a low near-earth orbit from the BAYKONUR cosmodrome is about 18 tons. ”

Comments

[Samara_63]

RCC Progress is now beheaded ... Director General under investigation ...

[Vard]

Alas ... the desire to postpone and old age to my beloved turned out to be insurmountable ... But this does not affect the functioning of the enterprise ...

[Samara_63]

They say that this sketch is his ... so he is a talented design engineer

There, his daughter seemed to have framed ...

[Logall]

Quote: Samara_63

There, his daughter seemed to have framed ...

The investigation will figure it out! Everyone is conditional, everyone is happy ...
The audience will get a little excited, a little noisy, calm down ...

[Borik]

So for this rocket sketch, millions gave.

So this is the middle class. That’s 1,5 billion for a heavy sketch. The error came out ..

[Logall]

So you need to give a million, a million years, so that enough for the grandchildren!
Of course, it’s not worth planting grandchildren. But to remember ...

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Logall

So you need to give a million, a million years, so that enough for the grandchildren!
Of course, it’s not worth planting grandchildren. But to remember ...

Why not worth it? Worth it. And very much so. In the "sharashka" him and let him work .., On the project "Union - 6". I'm not talking about grandchildren. They have nothing to do with it.

[Kasym]

Soyuz-5 is an analogue of Zenith. Kazakhstan has committed itself to the launch complex at Baikonur for this launch vehicle.

[avt]

Quote: Kasym

Soyuz-5 is an analogue of Zenith.

Rather, an ALTERNATIVE. Type

They took the log merrily and carried it merrily

The trick is that you don’t need to do the table itself, as for “Angara” - two in Tyur, in Plesetsk and Vostochny. The thought is simple, like an orange, to unfasten the third step in the form of 4 blocks - to make circumcision, Seven "and

with a flick of the wrist, the pants turn ... the pants turn ... into elegant shorts

But

Quote: Samara_63

RCC Progress is now beheaded ... Director General under investigation ...

so in continuation

We apologize for this small, technical issue.

So by and large

Quote: Kasym

on Baikonur for this launch vehicle.

actually nothing is needed

Quote: Kasym

Kazakhstan has committed to the launch complex

two tables have been working since the days of the USSR, well, the others Az mentioned above. Well, what happens already in the metal .... Wait and see.

[Kasym]

Good day, ABT!
Modernization or repair of the launch pad depended precisely on this conceptual design (at least, as I understand it). The fact is that the starting mass went uphill. 530t. instead of 480t. Zenith-3СЛБ (if memory serves). And as I understand it, about 300 million dollars. laid down for these tasks in our budget.

[avt]

Quote: Kasym

Modernization or repair of the launch pad depended precisely on this conceptual design (at least, as I understand it).

I don’t know what miracles the effective bonuses at the helm of the astronautics helm are being painted by the current astronautics manager, but even Barmin would hell alter the start of “Zenith” to “Seven.” and a liter enema with turpentine and gramophone needles. Well for brain cleansing. By the way, to the current chicks of the perestroika and the market, it would completely add efficiency in team management Just a search engine to take an interest in how the Seven is held on the table! and how ,, Zenith. "

Quote: Kasym

The fact is that the starting mass went uphill. 530t. instead of 480t.

The chip in the other is HOW and how much do you need to redo under the cropped Seven, imagine? To draw and even make a medium is not even half the battle. How to pile a table under it with all the infrastructure - this is where the grandmas are unmeasured. And here, even, according to the developers, there is no need to bother with the starting table - everything is already there, including French Guiana, which Az the sinner forgot to mention in the first comment.

Quote: mark1

Ingenious! Elon Musk obosrod, sorry, fucked up!

Well, Musk is already in attendance

Quote: mark1

sorry, sorry, managed it!

with his pyramid including Tesla. Although I pay tribute - technically, it was more costly and beautiful than the late Mavrodi. Yes, even the BAB with AVVOY - well, with a folk car vacuumed pockets more cynically.

Quote: mark1

You claim

Az sinful only draws conclusions from the material presented and not as not

Quote: mark1

obviously based on the figure)

Since Az was sinful during it, he was trained and still remembers something about what is a draft design. Yes, and abbreviations

with RSC "Progress", NPO Energomash, SIC RCP, KBHA, SPC AP, NPO automation, a branch of FSUE TsENKI - NIISK, TsNIImash, IPU RAS, TsNIISM, NPO Tekhnomash, IRZ, NPO IT, OKB Spektr, "IRZ-Svyaz" and FSBEI of HE "Moscow Technological University".

still say something, although such new-mannered as

FSUE "TSENKI"

in the absence of the departed Ministry of General Engineering.

[Aqr009]

You are confusing something. Soyuz-2 and Soyuz-5 are fundamentally different missiles. At the moment, Soyuz-5 looks like this:

[Kasym]

".... The Baiterek complex is planned to be created on the basis of the cosmodrome platform No. 45, designed to launch Zenit rockets. From January 2018, the infrastructure for Zenit rockets will begin to be transferred to the ownership of Kazakhstan. The platform includes two launchers as part of of the international project "Land Launch" and the DESTROYED accident of 1990 ...
... Estimated cost of creating ILV ... 500mln., For the modernization of the infrastructure of Baikonur ... 245mln.dol. In connection with the reorientation in 2017. manned launches from Angara-A5P to Soyuz-5, and accordingly, with increasing security requirements, the final cost may grow ... ".
Our Soyuz-5 is called "Sunkar" (Falcon).

[mark1]

Quote: avt

Az sinful only draws conclusions from the material presented and not as not
Quote: mark1
obviously based on the figure)
Since Az was sinful during it, he was trained and still remembers something about what is a draft design. Yes, and abbreviations
with RSC "Progress", NPO Energomash, SIC RCP, KBHA, SPC AP, NPO automation, a branch of FSUE TsENKI - NIISK, TsNIImash, IPU RAS, TsNIISM, NPO Tekhnomash, IRZ, NPO IT, OKB Spektr, "IRZ-Svyaz" and FSBEI of HE "Moscow Technological University".
still say something, although such new-mannered as
FSUE "TSENKI"
in the absence of the departed Ministry of General Engineering

Packs, packs like cherubs ... So you are familiar (at least in general terms) with the outline design and say that Soyuz-5 is the development of Soyuz-2 and not Zenith? The news is interesting, but somehow it's not logical in the light of previous posts. As far as I know, Soyuz-2 is basically - it was the original version (a very long time ago). Though ...

Quote: avt

abbreviations
with RSC "Progress", NPO Energomash, SIC RCP, KBHA, SPC AP, NPO automation, a branch of FSUE TsENKI - NIISK, TsNIImash, IPU RAS, TsNIISM, NPO Tekhnomash, IRZ, NPO IT, OKB Spektr, "IRZ-Svyaz" and FSBEI of HE "Moscow Technological University".

Of course they tell me less than you, not my profile, so I don’t dispute anything

[mark1]

Quote: avt

The trick is that you don’t need to do the table itself, as for “Angara” - two in Tyur, in Plesetsk and Vostochny. The thought is simple, like an orange, to unfasten the third step in the form of 4 blocks - to make circumcision, Seven "and

Ie (obviously, based on the above figure), you say that in the second stage of the Soyuz 2 LV, instead of the RD-107, the RD-170 was stuck and everything turned out to be the "Soyuz 5"? Ingenious! Elon Musk obosrod, sorry, fucked up!

[prosto_rgb]

Quote: Kasym

Soyuz-5 is an analogue of Zenith. Kazakhstan has committed itself to the launch complex at Baikonur for this launch vehicle.

aha
import-substituted version

[RUSS]

The Soyuz-5 rocket will be half the cost of the Falcon-9


Competitive advantages will allow Russia to attract new customers to the space industry.
General Director of the state corporation Roscosmos Igor Komarov said that increased requirements are being placed on the Soyuz-5 launch vehicle, a draft design of which has already been approved, Rossiyskaya Gazeta reports.

Komarov noted that the low cost of the rocket will allow reaching a new level in the cost of removing the payload.

This rocket has very stringent requirements. Let's say it should be no more than $ 30-35 million

Igor Komarov

Such a cost will allow attracting a large number of foreign customers to the commercial use of Russian missiles and launch infrastructure. Experts note that if the design of the Soyuz-5 rocket and the test launch are completed on time, Roscosmos will be able for many years to bypass one of the main players in the market of commercial launches - SpaceX, which estimated the cost of launching the Falcon-9 launch vehicle at $ 60 million .

[donavi49]

Even optimistic:
22 - the year the first launch of the light version.
23-24 - commercial operation.

By then, the latest 9 block 5 (which flies on April 24) will already be a departing rocket. Volcano and NewGlenn will come, well, Mask will actively finish his own, otherwise Bezos and YULA will eat him.

[Vadim237]

"Let's say it should be no more than $ 30-35 million." This is simply an impossible task - the entire rocket of a billion 3 rubles - the minimum will cost.

[sabakina]

I would not approve. The nose is somehow long, and the tail is somehow not so ... Damn, I'm really in shock! Korolev also rushed to sign with sketches? There is nothing superfluous in the launch vehicle and the rocket profile is determined by the laws of physics, and not by aesthetics.

[zoolu350]

Yes, where does the nose and tail? Having described the round about 30 years old, the Russian oligarchy returned to the Zenit launch vehicle as the main and spacecraft Zarya, while at the same time having washed down the completely unnecessary Angara launch vehicle. Conclusion: full x ..... engaged in 25 years.

[Vadim237]

That's the same - you already have to deal with air launch and single-stage aerospace aircraft, rockets to bring the load into orbit - yesterday.

[Archivist Vasya]

How much did the sketch cost? So much new in the guise of a rocket, horror already!

PS Pencil he is a pencil. Better talk about the content.

[dgonni]

The sketch is approved, excellent. But if you look a little deeper, then in fact this Union-5 is an analogue of the Falcon 9 Full Thrust with the worst performance in terms of outputting the load on the DOE. And if you take into account that the Falcons fly stably and often then the Union-5 has no prospects in fact from the word waabsche. For by the time of the first launch at Ilon, the BFR and the Heavy Falcon will fly with might and main. Nine will be models of block9 or even 10. In general, resting on our laurels has borne fruit. Cosmonautics in a fierce strike. What is really sad.

[avt]

Quote: dgonni

Yeskiz approved

actually

Quote: dgonni

Eskiz

as

Quote: sabakina

The nose is somehow long, and the tail is somehow not that ..

and other masked rubbish online hamsters really

Quote: dgonni

there is really sad.

Quote: sabakina

There is nothing superfluous in the launch vehicle and the rocket profile is determined by the laws of physics, and not by aesthetics.

Well, straight space wolves - swam! We know! You two with

Quote: dgonni

dgonni

at least a half of the hydrolytic in life at least once tried on the site? Or like that - immediately from the egg in the form of yolk

Quote: dgonni

Cosmonautics in a fierce strike.

Are you broadcasting?

Quote: sabakina

Korolev also rushed to sign with sketches?

Not only he ran, but also mock-ups of wood planed, and even craftsmen made craftsmanship on the scale of the scale and that smoke would come out from under the model rocket when it was necessary to show the ministers and representatives of the Central Committee.

[dgonni]

Hydrolytic? And you are a naughty man. On the site I didn’t drink the stump, but from the alcohol carrier, which MIG-25 was drinking and repeatedly.

[avt]

Quote: dgonni

and from an alcohol truck, well, which MIG-25 was drinking and repeatedly.

Oh, you're lying! You're lying to the king!

The alcohol was a certificate for cooling some devices, and everything else was massandra. And hydrolysis was never prescribed on devices NEVER and ANYWHERE. And among flyers and techies MiG -25

Quote: dgonni

from an alcohol truck well, which is MIG-25

I’ve never heard such a thing - ,, alcohol truck ". ,, Grocery store" -yes, but that ,, alcohol truck "! Such rudeness in relation to the airplane, the flyers did not allow ....

[Kasym]

No, this is an analogue of your Zenith. I don’t think that Mask will do things in space.

[dgonni]

Is that in that sense?
That's when Falcon 1 flies them, then we'll talk.
That's when there will be customers, then we'll talk.
That's when there will be a contract with NASA, then we'll talk.
That's when Falcon 9 flies them, then we'll talk.
That's when they build their ship then we'll talk.
That's when he reaches the ISS, then we'll talk.
When we launch geostationary satellites, then we'll talk.
That's when they figure out how to plant missiles, then we'll talk.
That's when they put at least one, then we'll talk.
That's when they put on a barge, then we'll talk.
That's when they start to plant after the withdrawal of the GPO, then we'll talk.
Here when the second-hand rocket will fly, then we will talk.
=== You are here ===
That's when they launch their Falcon Heavy, then we'll talk.
That's when they make their Dragon 2, then we'll talk.
That's when they start to carry people, then we'll talk.
That's when they launch the device to the moon, then we'll talk.
That's when they learn to land a ship without parachutes, then we'll talk.
That's when they launch Red Dragon, then we'll talk.
That's when he sits on Mars, then we'll talk.
That's when they make their Martian transport, then we'll talk.
That's when people land on Mars, then we'll talk.
That's when Mars is colonized, then we'll talk.
That's when Mars is terraformed, then we'll talk.

[Setrac]

Quote: dgonni

=== You are here ===

That's when you run to the toilet - then we'll talk
=== You are here ===
That's when you take off your pants - then we'll talk



Have you tried to live your own mind? Or are you going to quote other people's nonsense?

[dgonni]

I simply showed the dynamics of sarcasm and the dullness of the higher establishment, which, speaking on its laurels, spoke for trampolines and the impossibility of returning the steps with their reuse. As it turned out, progress does not stand still and catching up will be very difficult. And in order to overtake, breakthrough projects are needed and obviously not Union-5 through a certain number of years.

[Setrac]

Quote: dgonni

I simply showed the dynamics of sarcasm and the dullness of the higher establishment, which, speaking on its laurels, spoke for trampolines and the impossibility of returning the steps with their reuse.

But not the Americans came up with this, well, use Google, what are you like children? there were similar projects in Russia.

Quote: dgonni

As it turned out, progress does not stand still and catching up will be very difficult.

Chemical-propelled rockets are close to the limit of their development, there is no room for competition.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Max’s reusable spacecraft project will work the same way as the Space Shuttle project until the second accident involving reusable stages ...

And the second point, what does NASA, Elon Musk and the American space system have to do with Ukraine ?! For me it’s not so, so why are you tearing one place to yourself praising her ?!

The United States so far flies into space on Russian rockets and ships and pays for it at 75-80 million dollars for each astronaut and the seats are reserved for several years in advance !!!

And what about the successes of space with space ?! let's talk together laugh at what place you are in this area))))))))))))))))))))))

[Vadim237]

“Max’s reusable craft project will work just like the Space Shuttle project until the second crash involving reusable steps ...” Unlike NASA, mask engineers will be smarter than flying through numerous trials - the guys will definitely take into account all Shuttle errors.

[wicked pinnochio]

when we finally get rid of these inefficient state corporations and finally get back to the Ministry of General Engineering

[kipod]

Quote: wicked pinnochio

when we finally get rid of these inefficient state corporations and finally get back to the Ministry of General Engineering

What's the difference ?

[wicked pinnochio]

less than in state corporations and little efficiency

[avt]

Quote: kipod

What's the difference ?

But for example, the Homeland is in danger and Uncle Lenya calls Afanasyev, well, it’s direct to him without telling about Svyayry Invystitsii and the All-Regulating Market, without promotions, bonuses and anuses - ,, Don’t do it, put it to the wall. "And he Uncle Lena, not Stalin, really believes and ... they did. Fiction, not a fairy tale. Then there were ,, We were born to make a fairy tale come true, to overcome space and space ... "And not the rate of $ and track the dow at Johns.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Soyuz-5, and why is it ?! And what about the Angara project ?! The hangar, however, seems to be modular and covered all classes of carriers from light to super heavy ...

[Vadim237]

Roscosmos simply has nothing to do, so it creates a bicycle 30 years ago anew.

[lance]

Ragozin is interesting, you yourself don’t see that this is pornography for 100 million. bucks? well then you are

[Voenoboz]

And why are Protons and Progress bad?

[Vadim237]

It is expensive to remove a foreign payload - toxic fuel.