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And laughter and Gref! Were aiming at VTB, and hit the Sberbank

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Today, for the first time since the next US vaccination, the ruble has won a few kopecks for the dollar and the euro. Russian securities, notably Sberbank and Gazprom, also noticeably won back. Apparently, among other things, because they are not in the notorious list of those who are guilty - those who are guilty for wanting to eat in America! Almost like Krylov.




According to the results of the exchange Thursday, a very good moment has come to count the first wounds. So, in four trading sessions, the national currency lost about 10 percent at the rate. In terms of annual, this could be regarded as a catastrophe, but the decline will certainly be local and not protracted. With stocks, everything is much more confused. It seems to be a serious loss suffered literally everything that is understandable: in the global economy, and even more so in the Russian, everything is interconnected.

However, why only the structures of Oleg Deripaska really turned out to be among the leaders of the fall from the new sanctions list, it is not so easy to understand. Yes, it is possible that the peculiarities of trading in volatile metals, and also the psychological readiness of foreign stockbrokers to play against one of Putin’s closest associates and almost “Putin’s wallet”, have an effect here. However more interesting история with shares of Sberbank. Once, right after the reunification of the Crimea with Russia, it should have been very painful for Sberbank, they just had to hit the so-called sectoral sanctions. They were addressed specifically to the financial sector of Russia, and their consequences can now be regarded as one of the factors that have become the strongest incentive for large-scale banking cleaning in the country. If you want - even a sweep.

Recall that then Sberbank was threatened with a blow not only from the West, but also from the south - from Ukraine. There, four years ago, they decided to crack down on all branches of all Russian credit organizations. And then the very first blow to the self-styled Kiev authorities came, of course, against the Russian Sberbank. The defeat of offices, drenched paint ATMs, constant duty at the door of some "patriotic citizens" who shout out to the incoming: "Sold to Muscovites!"

It’s clear that the authorities had nothing to do with it, at the offices of Sberbank they even exhibited reinforced police posts, but there was not much sense from them. It was in those days that the "image of the enemy", which was carefully fostered in Ukraine after the Maidan, acquired yet another very piquant feature. It was no longer a padded jacket, and not a gangster hung with grenades, settled on the armor tank, and also an elegantly dressed office worker, categorically not wanting to communicate on a mov.

The largest and, frankly, the Russian bank that worked best in Ukraine was not helped either by the fact that its leader did not tire to remind the Ukrainians that his bank was not working in the “burning” Donbas. I wonder if Sber will ever work there? However, it is clear that Mr. Gref was not at all afraid of the Ukrainian sanctions - it was not so expensive to close several offices in the “Square”, but the headache turned out to be much less. But from the European Union and the United States for work in the Crimea and in Donetsk with Lugansk Sberbank certainly could get what is called, in full. Only today it is not entirely clear, but was it worth it to be afraid at all? Has it happened anyway? And after sectoral sanctions, the same head of Sberbank may well run into personal ones. Or, perhaps, he is still, like the "privatizer of all Russia" - untouchable?

Sberbank itself then managed to survive, although its leader German Gref had to withstand the real press from the Russian media, which threw him in the face: “You are leaving!” And Gref also got very harsh accusations of lack of patriotism for refusing to work in Crimea, in the Russian Crimea. In the end, in the stock price, then Sberbank did not lose as much as it was possible to fear. And, I won back the losses rather quickly and besides with interest.

Now, although Herman Oskarovich is not on the Washington list, the quotes of Sberov's shares have collapsed, for example, right away on Monday by 19 percent. At the same time, VTB, whose chief, Andrei Kostin, has lost only 9 percent in the weight of securities, precisely under sanctions. By Thursday, these figures relative to the last pre-week week were, respectively, minus 18,4 and minus 7,7 percent. One wants to ask the stockbrokers: where is the logic, where is the mind?

It’s too early to draw conclusions regarding the VTB and Sberbank shares. The first conclusions on the market as a whole are on the surface. So, there is again hope that the ruble will not only stop falling. Perhaps, he will even continue to win back something from his opponents. There are good chances that there will still be a demand for government debt, moreover it will be at quite decent quotes and at decent interest rates. What can be said for sure: there will be no repetition of the practice of four years ago, and even more so what happened on 20 years ago, when the treasury borrowed everything they gave, and almost under any conditions.

In the meantime, television, apparently with the help of financial experts, almost rubbing its hands once again accused a more or less prosperous public of financial illiteracy and wrong behavior. Like, here, citizens, as soon as the ruble exchange rate fell, rushed the euro and dollars to buy. What do you want? Almost three years have taught the people from the same TV screens to the fact that financial stability is about to come, inflation will be almost zero, credit rates will decrease, and it is necessary to grab a mortgage before it is too late, or else it will rise in price. And they didn’t just teach them - they really kept the ruble at such a level that very few people wanted to buy the currency. However, very few people could.

On the same days, the people with the purchase of currency were in a hurry, because it is not possible to be in time at all, especially since the situation in the world does not convince anything else of the opposite. The calming statements from the same Central Bank, the Ministry of Finance, and even more so from the head of the cabinet of ministers, seem only annoying to the public, and her determination to decide the fate of her own savings from them is only strengthened. The people are simpler and did buy the habit of salt and matches, but did not save their money. Most likely only because he has nothing to save by and large.

It remains to recall that not so long ago, a well-known leader told the workers somewhere in the outback that "there is no money," and we must "hold on." Now he generously promises to help the oligarchs who are financially affected by the sanctions. What, so quickly money appeared? We earned on oil or just the Central Bank printed them? The latter really will not rust, he did not only manage to draw billions under the purchase of gold so that no one noticed. Also under the reorganization of banks, which, in fact, turned out to be poorly hidden and very doubtful from the point of view of law, nationalization. Again, no one noticed ...
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  1. Vard
    Vard April 13 2018 05: 43
    +3
    That’s what I can’t understand ... They really have no true Russian specialist there ... Otherwise, they would have made a five-dollar dollar a long time ago and our economy could have been buried ...
    1. dSK
      dSK April 13 2018 06: 28
      +4
      Quote: Vard
      our economy can

      Quote: Alexey Podymov
      One would like to ask the stockbrokers: where is the logic, where is the mind?
      the logic is “in order”, gentlemen, journalists, before writing, look at the VTB and “box office” charts. Kassa only grew by 2018% in 42, the most “lucrative” Russian company, surpassing the mammoth (Gazprom) in terms of capitalization on highs. VTB has fallen 2015% since 40, then it has grown a bit. The whole exchange "works" on the "collective" construction of the pyramids, they stand and then they are "dismantled". "Cashier" has grown more and sold more.
      1. dSK
        dSK April 13 2018 06: 50
        +3
        Quote: Alexey Podymov
        Like, here, citizens, as soon as the ruble collapsed, rushed to buy euros and dollars.

        Right now, scientists, bucks had to take 56-57. The last time they took 70, some "managed" and grab 80. “Brent” struck 70 and rushing by 80, the growth of the buck has no "foundation", a purely "psychic" attack of the Anglo-Saxons. Bucks at 75-80 will be "shorted", whoever has time.
        1. cariperpaint
          cariperpaint April 13 2018 07: 54
          +4
          I don’t know who rushed there, but I specifically asked the Sberovskys yesterday — foreign exchange sales were not very strong. stupidly in statistical error. the only thing that was different was that there were more large purchases with respect to amounts of typically 15-20 thousand. a bunch of my friends in general only from me found out that the buck has grown)))
        2. andj61
          andj61 April 13 2018 09: 46
          +2
          Quote: dsk
          Quote: Alexey Podymov
          Like, here, citizens, as soon as the ruble collapsed, rushed to buy euros and dollars.

          Right now, scientists, bucks had to take 56-57. The last time they took 70, some "managed" and grab 80. “Brent” struck 70 and rushing by 80, the growth of the buck has no "foundation", a purely "psychic" attack of the Anglo-Saxons. Bucks at 75-80 will be "shorted", whoever has time.

          It seems that this is not even a “psychic” attack of the Anglo-Saxons. Perhaps the smart, cunning rich ones, even the owners of Rusal or Sber, simply took advantage of this opportunity, played a fall, and then bought the shares cheaply. Yes, and the dollar depreciates against the ruble after taking off on Monday. So really, this is just another way to throw people and get rich in panic moods. hi
    2. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 April 13 2018 08: 50
      +3
      Quote: Vard
      That’s what I can’t understand ... They really have no true Russian specialist there ... Otherwise, they would have made a five-dollar dollar a long time ago and our economy could have been buried ...

      no one really wants to bury Russia, everyone needs a market for junk and raw materials. On their terms and prices. Today they succeed. Here is the lack of a specialist !!!
      1. dSK
        dSK April 13 2018 09: 00
        0
        Aluminum has grown since April 5 by 11%, breaking through "hai", on limiting supplies from Rusal. If Trump “changes his mind” to bullet in Syria, and the matter goes, Rusal, too "redeem."
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 April 13 2018 09: 30
          +1
          Quote: dsk
          Aluminum has grown since April 5 by 11%, breaking through "hai", on limiting supplies from Rusal. If Trump "changes his mind" to bullet in Syria, and the matter goes, Rusal will also be "bought out".

          If we do not arrange the release of our aircraft, then this aluminum does not need to be anybody.
    3. siberalt
      siberalt April 13 2018 09: 36
      +9
      And when did we have it differently? The electorate came to the ballot boxes and made a choice, now it is the turn of degreasing his deposits. And ahead of us is still waiting for a great “leap”. belay In other matters, our people are not accustomed to tightening their belts to save American capitalism in Russia.
    4. twviewer
      twviewer April 13 2018 15: 18
      +7
      Gref also got very harsh accusations of lack of patriotism for refusing to work in Crimea, already in Russian Crimea.

      Gref was afraid of that, Gref was afraid of this ... but he was not afraid of anything if he so easily supports (fulfilling) American sanctions against Russia and the Crimea, which actually disputes the territorial integrity of the state. JP Morgan Chase is not a member of the international board of the American bank JP Morgan Chase. And certainly not in order to be afraid of something there.
  2. Same lech
    Same lech April 13 2018 05: 48
    +17
    It remains to be recalled that not so long ago one notorious leader told the workers somewhere in the outback that "there is no money," and we must "hold on." Now he generously promises to help the oligarchs financially affected by the sanctions.

    This head is the shadow of GDP smile immortal character of jokes like Petka and Chapaev.
    As a politician, it’s a completely empty place ... he is a purely technical worker and he is satisfied with GDP.
    I don’t like it when DAM starts lobbying for the interests of usurers-bankers to the detriment of the rest of the country ... this is not normal.
    As for Gref ... in my opinion he is an ordinary roguish banker-usurer who wants to enter paradise on someone else's hump and his behavior fully corresponds to this.
    Russia's financial system is tied to the US dollar system and therefore it is vulnerable by definition, and with it all of us.
    1. dSK
      dSK April 13 2018 06: 57
      +3
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      and with it all of us.

      Than whining and "idling" for days fucking "Claudia", work at the exchange, "Finam" to help you. Adrenaline will be "in excess."
      1. Vard
        Vard April 13 2018 07: 51
        0
        There was a thing ... I even got a little welded ... but then they did everything there so that the little things didn’t break off in any situation ...
      2. 210ox
        210ox April 13 2018 07: 52
        +2
        I already wrote to Alexei that he is just an honest person and THIS is not his ...
        Quote: dsk
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        and with it all of us.

        Than whining and "idling" for days fucking "Claudia", work at the exchange, "Finam" to help you. Adrenaline will be "in excess."
  3. samarin1969
    samarin1969 April 13 2018 07: 11
    +8
    Thanks to Gref’s personal ambitions, Sberbank has too deeply entered the global business. He does not hide his irritation with the political confrontation between the Russian Federation and the USA. In 2014, Gref should be removed, all assets withdrawn from Ukraine and not only and the economy transferred to the conditions of permanent confrontation.
    1. T.Henks
      T.Henks April 13 2018 07: 36
      +4
      Citizen Gref is an excellent manager. Sber during his reign from g.v.s.a became an excellent bank. Those who went to the savings bank for about 15 years and have not lost their memory will not forget huge lines. Now all operations are structured, electronic queues are being raided through the windows of those who want to give money. And Gref realizes his personal national ambitions abroad, such as Denise Bank and its TV. He's a TV star there. And for personal finances, he keeps a financial management office. assets in neutral switzerland aria. And he doesn’t forget the children from his first marriage. Recently, he was brought out of London from one structure, which the United States pinched for fraud for the Baltic states. So everything is like everyone else.
    2. cariperpaint
      cariperpaint April 13 2018 07: 56
      0
      and forgive someone they should ask something? the bank is not state for a long time.
      1. samarin1969
        samarin1969 April 13 2018 16: 52
        +3
        Quote: cariperpaint
        and forgive someone they should ask something? the bank is not state for a long time.

        More than 52% of Sberbank belongs to the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, the state gives it the right to a "state brand", provides financial resources. But even if Sberbank was a private Russian office, it is still obliged to act in the interests of Russian policy. How many times budgetary money was stopped up by incompetent projects of financial structures! Could for a long time transplant owners and top managers together with families. But our "top managers" of the state are chronically kind to them for people's money. Gref has long been judged for an unprofessional assessment of political risks in Turkey and Ukraine.
    3. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 April 13 2018 08: 55
      0
      Quote: samarin1969
      withdraw all assets from Ukraine and not only and transfer the economy to the conditions of permanent confrontation.

      what you are talking about is mobilization, i.e. War.
  4. Altona
    Altona April 13 2018 08: 17
    +4
    Gref and other adherents of the liberal economy are doing exactly the opposite, which would be useful for the national economy, and not for them personally. And to be afraid of war and sanctions is generally the last thing. What is this "elite" that pisses at every turn? It’s immediately obvious that these are thieves who, by agreement, became owners of national property.
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 April 13 2018 08: 57
      +3
      Quote: Altona
      Gref and other adherents of the liberal economy are doing exactly the opposite, which would be useful for the national economy

      70 percent of Sberbank shareholders are US residents. draw conclusions
      1. Cube123
        Cube123 April 13 2018 10: 46
        +3
        Quote: aybolyt678

        70 percent of Sberbank shareholders are US residents. draw conclusions

        It is not true.

        http://kreditorpro.ru/akcionery-sberbanka-rossii-
        spisok /
        "52,32% of the shares are held by the Central Bank of Russia, that is, the state;
        non-resident legal entities - about 45,6%;
        resident legal entities - 1,5%;
        private investors - 2,9%.
        Back in 2007, German Gref was appointed chairman of the board. He owns approximately 0,003% of the shares, their total market value is about $ 2,19 million. The founder is the Central Bank of the Russian Federation. "

        The main non-resident owners:
        http://quotes.wsj.com/RU/MISX/SBER/company-people
  5. Altona
    Altona April 13 2018 08: 21
    +13
    Quote: T.Henks
    Citizen Gref is an excellent manager. Sber during his reign from g.v.s.a became an excellent bank. Those who went to the savings bank for about 15 years and have not lost their memory will not forget huge lines.

    -----------------------------------
    In my opinion, I did not see larger feces than Sberbank. If managers inflate people as they want, make guarantors for a loan of uninvolved people and openly steal money from customer deposits. They charge commissions for small transactions. I generally pass around Sber, like a plague institution.
    1. andj61
      andj61 April 13 2018 09: 53
      +4
      Quote: Altona
      Quote: T.Henks
      Citizen Gref is an excellent manager. Sber during his reign from g.v.s.a became an excellent bank. Those who went to the savings bank for about 15 years and have not lost their memory will not forget huge lines.

      -----------------------------------
      In my opinion, I did not see larger feces than Sberbank. If managers inflate people as they want, make guarantors for a loan of uninvolved people and openly steal money from customer deposits. They charge commissions for small transactions. I generally pass around Sber, like a plague institution.

      good Soon after Gref headed Sberbank and began to carry out reforms, I happened to close my account there. On the account there were 9 rubles with copecks, but in order to remove them, I had to pay a commission of 20 rubles. After that, I also bypass the Sberbank side. In Soviet times, there were queues, there was a lot of bad things, but you could withdraw money from the account and close the account for free. Of course, I’m not sure that it was Gref’s policy, and not the local initiative of some rabid manager, but the sediment remained ... hi
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack April 13 2018 10: 16
        +2
        Quote: andj61
        On the account was 9 rubles with copecks, but in order to remove them, I had to pay a commission of 20 rubles

        Damn ... and religion did not allow to close together with these nine rubles?
        IMHO Sberb right now is much better than it was about 5 years ago.
        I hold a card there, cleanly throw some money there for a communal apartment and other things (and then pay from an Internet without going anywhere) - from 10 to 30 pieces are pulsating there, nothing has ever disappeared.
        Ugh, ugh, ugh yes
        1. andj61
          andj61 April 13 2018 11: 43
          +1
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          lin ... and religion didn’t allow to close together with these nine rubles?

          If you can’t withdraw the money, even to the penny, then the bank will never close the account. I tried to do it according to your prescription - they said that to close the account you need to withdraw money, but I do not need an extra account in an extra bank - everything must be indicated in the declaration, run for help. He managed only the bank through which they pay salaries. Gazprombank quite suits me. hi
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack April 13 2018 12: 03
            0
            Quote: andj61
            If you don’t withdraw money, even to the penny, then the bank will never close the account

            You cheated. Sber closed my card account with the balance of about 70 rubles, more recently. And nothing...
            Quote: andj61
            Gazprombank quite suits me

            Well, the bank through which they pay is the best one by definition laughing
    2. Sverdlov
      Sverdlov April 13 2018 15: 30
      +5
      Sber are still those scammers. They handed a "gift" credit card. Without annual maintenance, 12%, 50 days of interest-free lending.
      After a year of SMS - come to replace the card.
      I come, I ask - why?
      - Nuuu, the cards are worn out, sign a replacement agreement.
      I sign.
      - give a copy.
      - what for? You have one.
      I scratch turnip. - And this one, too, without annual maintenance?
      - I do not know...
      - !!!!
      In short, I ran around the office for half an hour, I found out from the fourth “manager” that the annual 750 re, 18%. Asked how much I overpaid for a year in money?
      - We do not know. This is taken into account in Moscow.
      He spat, thrust them their card back and there no more foot ...
      1. mult-65
        mult-65 April 13 2018 19: 53
        +2
        Sber is still guano.
  6. xoma58
    xoma58 April 13 2018 09: 52
    +5
    “It remains to be recalled that not so long ago one notorious leader told the workers somewhere in the hinterland that“ there is no money, ”and we need to“ hold on. ”Now he generously promises to help the oligarchs financially affected by the sanctions."
    Another theft of money from the budget in the guise of helping the "impoverished" billionaires. This is in the spirit of our prime minister, and indeed of the entire government. Take it from the poor and give it to billionaires. And they are not going to return that help. Those. this is ordinary theft.
    1. mult-65
      mult-65 April 13 2018 19: 51
      +2
      77% voted for it. Eat - do not hang on.
  7. zyzx
    zyzx April 13 2018 10: 34
    +2
    But I didn’t buy dollars and euros, but buckwheat, in Novosibirsk we pour it at 17 rubles per kilo. It’s not enough, suddenly, the third world war, you can’t get enough dollars.
    1. podymych
      April 13 2018 11: 36
      0
      Well, this is precisely to the fact that simpler people prefer to buy salt and matches ...
    2. Archon
      Archon April 13 2018 16: 55
      0
      Buckwheat is stored for no more than two years. We need something more long-stored.
  8. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet April 13 2018 16: 58
    0
    Quote: Vard
    That’s what I can’t understand ... They really have no true Russian specialist there ... Otherwise, they would have made a five-dollar dollar a long time ago and our economy could have been buried ...

    Why's that? In 1997, the dollar was at 7 rubles, and we grew by leaps and bounds ..
  9. Varna
    Varna April 13 2018 18: 31
    0
    I can’t understand what the problem is, what sadness for Russia is the fall of the ruble.
    Yes, everything just goes fine, everything is just class: Putin has probably risen with a song lately every morning: oil, luminium and everything - everything in dollars and euros - has risen in price, and very much; the ruble, meanwhile, fell, and much. You can buy a large number of domestic wooden rubles for these expensive dollars - and the budget is filled to capacity, all state employees will have enough, soon the rubles will be forced to shove everyone - eat to the dump. Against this background (if such commodity - money scissors remain), - it is possible not to cut military expenses either - cheap rubles will be enough for everyone)))).
    And local producers are probably just happy - the market continues further))
    In general, everyone is good, except for a handful of dudes who will reduce the amount of money spent in landons and florids - well, they don’t quite represent Russia, they can be spared
  10. mult-65
    mult-65 April 13 2018 19: 47
    0
    About two years ago in Sberbank I opened an account at 80.5 rubles for $. am It's time to win back !!!
  11. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim April 13 2018 20: 20
    0
    Our answer to Lord Curzon:
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack April 13 2018 20: 48
      0
      Damn, and here Kotonosov negative
  12. Potapych
    Potapych April 13 2018 21: 54
    0
    to this day, we pay 1 cent for each dollar to the usa federator, an example we spend 60 with something p and went 1 cent, little? dofiga we pay for the machine and the end is not visible to the boards who are interested in google help, we pay for paper is not for the goods produced, thanks to the combine and ebna, sold cheaply
  13. atakan
    atakan April 14 2018 05: 47
    0
    The second day, Sberbank ATMs are hanging.
    Payment in stores passes.
  14. lazy
    lazy April 14 2018 08: 59
    0
    [/ quote] It remains to be recalled that not so long ago one notorious leader told the workers somewhere in the outback that “there is no money”, and we must “hold on.” [quote]
    not a worker but a pensioner, not in the outback but in the Crimea. and good mood to you
  15. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter April 14 2018 19: 22
    +3
    Good evening, I’ll be brief. There is no Sberbank of the Russian Federation in the Crimean Federal District. Therefore, I personally do not care what problems he has there and how comfortable his investors live. hi
    1. alexx-fenix
      alexx-fenix April 17 2018 08: 50
      +1
      And it’s time to start working. By the way, like Megafon and the rest. And then only the slogans about “Returning to Home Harbor” may not have arrived yet?