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Elemental man. General Lavr Kornilov

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13 April 1918, exactly 100 years ago, in a battle near Yekaterinodar (now Krasnodar), the infantry general, Lavr Georgievich Kornilov, one of the most prominent Russian military commanders of the early 20th century, died. The role of Lavr Kornilov in the Russian stories still estimated ambiguously and causes debate.


Lavr Georgievich Kornilov was an outstanding, symbolic person. The end of his life — participation in the Civil War as commander-in-chief of the Volunteer Army — led to the fact that all of the merits of Laurus Georgievich were forgotten. Meanwhile, General Kornilov was not only a military leader, but also a talented military diplomat, intelligence officer, traveler and explorer. All these details of his biography in the Soviet era were forgotten, and Kornilov himself was considered solely as an enemy of the working people. Something similar happened with Admiral Kolchak, but if Kolchak really collaborated with the interventionists, his subordinates committed atrocities in Siberia, then General Kornilov was not noted in such matters. Perhaps it was the early death that saved the military leader from actions that in the future would receive a completely unambiguous interpretation.



Despite the fact that Lavr Kornilov was a general of the Russian army, a glorified military leader and hero of the Russian-Japanese and World War I, his biography is full of mysteries. So, there are still disputes over the origin of the general. It is clear that he was a Cossack, but the eastern type of person does not leave historians indifferent - what kind of blood did the general have? Some researchers argue that the general’s mother was a Kazakh from the Argyn-Karakasek family, others said that his mother had Kalmyk ancestors, from whom the Asian type went to the general. The most exotic version was announced in 1992 in the newspaper Izvestia Kalmykia. According to this version, the father of Lavr Kornilov was allegedly an ethnic Kalmyk, and the future general himself was born in the Don village of Semikarakorskaya and at birth was named Lavga Gilzhirovich Deldinov. But then the parents of Laurus parted ways and he was adopted by Uncle Georgy Kornilov.

Whatever it was, but the official biography of the general says that he was born 18 (30) August 1870 in Ust-Kamenogorsk (now the administrative center of the East Kazakhstan region of Kazakhstan) in the family of Georgy Nikolaevich Kornilov - the former Cornish 7 of the Siberian Cossack The regiment, which by the time of his son's birth had already left the Cossack class, received the rank of a collegiate registrar and served as a clerk at the city police.

The military career of Lavra Kornilov began, as is known, from early adolescence. In 1883, the thirteen-year-old Laurus was enrolled in the Siberian Cadet Corps in Omsk, and after graduating with honors from 1889, he entered the Mikhailovsky Artillery School in St. Petersburg. Demonstrating excellent skills in mathematics and exact sciences and eagerness to learn, Kornilov also studied perfectly well at the artillery school and already in 1890 he became a non-commissioned officer of the cadet division. When Laurel graduated from college in 1892, broad prospects opened up before him — service in the guards or, at least, in parts of the capital's military district. But the young officer chose a distant Turkestan military district, close to his homeland.

Lieutenant Kornilov was assigned to the 5 artillery battery of the Turkestan Artillery Brigade, where his army service began. The very choice of the place of service testifies to the uncommon approach of Lavr Kornilov to his own way of life - he chose one of the most interesting and, at the same time, difficult directions. In the 1895 year, Kornilov entered the Academy of the General Staff and in the 1898 year, after graduating from it, he received the rank of captain for academic success. And again the officer refuses to serve in the capital and goes to Turkestan. He served as an assistant to the senior adjutant of the headquarters of the Turkestan military district, then as a staff officer for missions to the district headquarters, engaged in intelligence activities. Elemental man. General Lavr Kornilov

Eastern appearance and excellent knowledge of the Turkic languages ​​greatly helped Kornilov in conducting intelligence in the vast steppes and deserts of Central Asia. For example, he, dressed as a Turkmen, explored the environs of the British fortress Deyadady in Afghanistan. During the Turkestan service, Kornilov managed to go on expeditions to Afghanistan, Persia, Kashgaria (modern Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region). In the book “Kashgaria, or East Turkestan,” Lavr Georgievich summarized the results of his journey - he was not only a scout, but also an observant traveler, describing the geographical and ethnographic features of the regions of Central Asia. A reconnaissance detachment led by Captain Kornilov undertook an unprecedented march through Eastern Persia, examining areas formerly considered a real “white spot” for European and Russian geography. Several small expeditions were carried out by Kornilov on the Pamirs, and then he visited the territory of modern Pakistan - in Balochistan, under the guise of a traveler who studied the life of the Baluchs. The real purpose of the journey was to explore British positions in the region.

Kornilov owned a number of Oriental languages ​​- Kazakh, Kalmyk, Mongolian, Urdu, Farsi - and this is in addition to English, French and German, mastered in the school and the Academy of the General Staff. When in 1904, the 34 year-old Lieutenant Colonel Kornilov was appointed head clerk of the General Staff in St. Petersburg, he did not like administrative work. He joined the active army, becoming the head officer and then chief of staff of the 1 Infantry Brigade. Kornilov took part in the Russian-Japanese war, proving himself a brave and talented military leader. In the area of ​​the Vazy settlement, Lieutenant Colonel Lavr Kornilov led the soldiers into a bayonet attack and was able to withdraw the brigade from the Japanese encirclement. For his bravery shown in the battles of Mukden, the officer received the Order of St. George of the 4 degree and was promoted to colonel.

The period between the Russo-Japanese and the First World Wars revealed the talents of Colonel Kornilov as a military diplomat. In 1907-1911 He served as a military attache in China, having managed to learn Chinese, the way of life and life of the Chinese during this time. At the Foreign Ministry of the Russian Empire and the General Staff of the Imperial Army, the colonel sent out reports on various aspects of China’s life, the organization of the Chinese police, the telegraph office, and the imperial guard.

After spending four years in the military-diplomatic service in China, Colonel Kornilov returned to military service. In February-June 1911, he commanded the Estland 8 Infantry Regiment, then a detachment of a separate border guard corps in the Zaamur district, a brigade of the 9 Siberian Rifle Division. In December, 1911. 41-year-old Lavr Kornilov received the rank of Major General of the Russian Imperial Army.

19 August 1914 Kornilov was appointed commander of the 48 Infantry Division, which later went down in history as the “Steel Division”. He commanded a division during the battles in Galicia and the Carpathians. Contemporaries, including General Brusilov, recalled Kornilov as a brave man who did not regret his subordinates or himself. He was kind to the lower ranks, trying to match the role of the commander - the father of the soldiers, but demanded from his subordinates unconditional and precise execution of orders. General Denikin recalled that within a few weeks Kornilov had managed to make one of the best divisions of the Russian Imperial Army from the second-grade division of the Kazan Military District.

The division commander himself went into battle, to the rear of the enemy. For example, in November 1914, he led a night attack in a battle at Takoshanah and, breaking through the enemy’s positions, captured 1200 prisoners, including Austrian General Raft. Subsequently, Raft described Kornilov as "not a man, but an element." True, there was a black episode during the war - the Kornilov division was surrounded on the Hungarian plain and lost thousands of people dead and captured. Then Kornilov barely escaped the tribunal, under which General Brusilov, who was fairly cool towards Lavr Georgievich, was going to give it.

In April, 1915, the Kornilov division, which covered the retreat of the Russian troops, was severely defeated by superior enemy forces. The general personally led one of the battalions of the division and, having received two wounds in the arm and leg, after a bayonet battle, was captured by Austro-Hungarians. In July, 1916, Mr. Kornilov, who was detained in a camp for high-ranking officers prisoners of war near Vienna, managed to escape. He managed to escape through Romania and, having recovered a bit from the consequences of the captivity, already in September 1916 was appointed commander of the XXV Army Corps of the Special Army, commanded by cavalry general Vasily Gurko. At the beginning of 1917, the city of Kornilov was appointed commander of the Petrograd military district. Emperor Nicholas II asserted the general to this post, and took command of Kornilov after the overthrow of the monarchy, in early March of 1917. It was Lavr Kornilov who led the arrest of the royal family, but he himself later very hard worried that such an assignment of the Provisional Government fell to his lot.

Orienting in a changed political situation, General Kornilov tried to keep the army from disintegration and ensure the protection of the Russian capital from the advancing German forces. However, the combat general could no longer interfere with the influence of the Soviets of workers and soldiers. For all his military valor, Kornilov understood poorly politics, if he understood the need for changes in the country, then he proceeded from his own ideas. In April, 1917, unwilling to participate in the revolutionary transformations, he refused the post of commander of the Petrograd military district and was transferred to the front by the commander of the 8 army. Under the command of the Kornilov army has achieved impressive success.

19 July 1917 General of Infantry Laurus Kornilov was appointed the new Supreme Commander of the Russian army, replacing General Alexei Brusilov in this post. This appointment immediately inspired the right circles of the officer corps of hope for the salvation of “old Russia”. Indeed, Kornilov tried to restore a rigid control system, but he faced the inaction of the Provisional Government and its structures. Considering that a catastrophic situation had developed in the country, Kornilov organized an offensive of loyal units on Petrograd in August 1917, after which he was declared head of the Provisional Government Alexander Kerensky, a rebel. From 1 September to November 1917, General Kornilov and his closest comrades were under arrest in Mogilev and Bykhov, and after the October Revolution, was released by order of General Dukhonin and headed for the Tekinsky regiment guarding the Don.

It was Lavr Kornilov who became one of the organizers and first commander of the Volunteer Army on the Don. However, the lack of support for the Don Cossacks and the suicide of Ataman Kaledin forced the Kornilovites to move south - to the Kuban. 9 (22) February 1918 of the year began the first Kuban campaign of the Volunteer Army, which went down in history as the Ice Campaign. Ice trip brought death to General Kornilov. 31 March (13 April) 1918, during the storming of Ekaterinodar, in the house where the headquarters of General Kornilov was located, flew an enemy grenade. By coincidence, which General Denikin then called no other than mystical, the grenade hit only one in the house, hit exactly the room where General Kornilov was, and only Kornilov died from its explosion. Adjutants who rushed to the general could no longer do anything - Lavr Georgievich Kornilov died. The body of the deceased commander was buried in the area of ​​the German settlement of Gnckbau, and the grave was razed to the ground during the retreat — the general’s comrades knew perfectly well that they would try to find the remains of the deceased in order to mock at them. The Red Army soldiers, having broken into Gnachbau, began to search for the hidden cashier’s office, which allegedly could have been buried in the village, and accidentally stumbled upon the coffin of General Kornilov. The body of the deceased general was taken out and taken to Ekaterinodar, where they mocked at him in one of the squares, and then they burned them. The widow of Lavra Georgievich Taisiya Vladimirovna accused the generals Denikin and Alekseev of not being able to remove Kornilov’s body from the Kuban in order to bury it humanly. However, a number of researchers refutes the version that the Bolsheviks mocked the body of the general, and this fact, speaking of his death, must also be taken into account.

Civil war is a terrible tragedy for the country. The brother killed the brother, the best people of the country perished, and from all the parties involved. The memory of General Kornilov as a hero of wars and a defender of his homeland, was diligently erased for many decades. Now, a century after those tragic events, it would be wise for modern supporters of the “red” and “white” to abandon the further reproduction of hatred towards each other, from epidemics of renaming streets and demolitions of some monuments to replace them with others. Nicholas II and Vladimir Lenin, Kornilov and Chapaev, Denikin and Budyonny - this is all the history of our country, people who are significant to it, each of whom wanted Russia to be good, although he understood this good from his own world view, experience, and values.
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  1. Vard
    Vard April 13 2018 06: 06
    +3
    Who knows ... Maybe truth really would have gone the other way ...
    1. Dedrusav
      Dedrusav April 13 2018 07: 53
      +5
      Yeah, in the spray and in betrayal.
      1. Basil50
        Basil50 April 13 2018 09: 37
        +18
        Yeah, really.
        Equate both destroyers and builders. It’s all from a lightweight brain, a code equalizing both the robber and the victim. The relatives of rapists are especially fond of this - * She herself is to blame *.
        Kornilov was one of those who unleashed the Civil War, convinced the king of abdication. In general, an ordinary * knight of the white movement *. The fact that there is less blood on it than on Kolchak is only because it was banged.
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn April 13 2018 09: 46
          +12
          Quote: Vasily50
          Kornilov was one of those who unleashed the Civil War, convinced the king of abdication. In general, an ordinary * knight of the white movement *. The fact that there is less blood on it than on Kolchak is only because it was banged.

          I agree with you, at first I betrayed the tsar, then the Provisional Government, then the Soviet government. In fact, I wanted to establish a military dictatorship, similar to the Latin American ones, but fortunately, I could not, although I participated in the outbreak of the civil war. Dubious person is very
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 April 13 2018 10: 21
            +3
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            wanted to establish a military dictatorship, like the Latin American,

            what Wow!!!!!
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            Dubious person is very

            An ordinary person, no worse and no better than all the other personalities of that time yes
        2. Serg65
          Serg65 April 13 2018 10: 19
          +5
          Quote: Vasily50
          Kornilov was one of those who unleashed the Civil War, convinced the king of abdication.

          laughing Oh Dmitry, you are always in front of the cart with the red flag !!!!
          Quote: Vasily50
          there is less blood on it than on Kolchak

          And on Lenin, Uritsky, Countrywoman, Bela Kun with blood comrades much less ???
          1. Conserp
            Conserp April 13 2018 16: 58
            +7
            Quote: Serg65
            And on Lenin, Uritsky, Countrywoman, Bela Kun with blood comrades much less ???

            At times, maybe even tens of times less.

            The key is that they did not unleash the Civil War.

            The Reds terrorized the Whites.

            White terrorized the entire population.

            "For one killed by the Bolsheviks - a hundred killed by the Whites" - this is how Commander-in-Chief of the American occupiers assessed the situation.
            1. Fisher martin
              Fisher martin April 13 2018 17: 02
              +2
              To be honest: everyone is good.
            2. Weyland
              Weyland April 13 2018 21: 30
              0
              Quote: Conserp

              At times, maybe even tens of times less.

              Proofs, of course, will not be? In particular, where and when did he say that nonsense
              Quote: Conserp
              Commander of the American occupiers.
              1. Conserp
                Conserp April 13 2018 22: 23
                +4
                Quote: Weyland
                Proofs, of course, will not be?

                Of course, only Goebbels slop proofs do not require.

                And just poke your nose at the facts - immediately screech and howl "proofs, proofs!" from a sect banned in google.

                Quote: Weyland
                In particular, where and when did he say that nonsense

                "the anti-Bolsheviks killed one hundred people in Eastern Siberia to every one killed by the Bolsheviks" - Major General William Sidney Graves
                1. Weyland
                  Weyland April 13 2018 23: 41
                  0
                  Quote: Conserp
                  "the anti-Bolsheviks killed one hundred people in Eastern Siberia to every one killed by the Bolsheviks" - Major General William Sidney Graves

                  only with the translation you don’t have to juggle stop : in the concept of anti-Bolsheviks, and besides whites, there were many who entered!
            3. Serg65
              Serg65 April 14 2018 07: 19
              +1
              Quote: Conserp
              At times, maybe even tens of times less.

              laughing Do you console yourself like that? Read for example about Evpatoria of the 20 year, for which the head of the special department of the Southern Front Evdokimov in the 20 year received the Order of the Red Banner from the hands of Frunze?
              Quote: Conserp
              so assessed the situation commander in chief of the American occupiers.

              laughing And so comrade Frunze received a hat from Comrade Lenin for guaranteeing the preservation of life to the remaining Wrangelites in Crimea.
              Just found out about your offer to Wrangel to surrender. Extremely surprised by the exorbitant compliance conditions ... You can no longer repeat them and you need to deal mercilessly

              And here are the words of the “great” Brusilov, who gave an honest noble that the Reds will save their lives and enable White to participate in the construction of a new Russia
              For the first time in my life I came across such savage meanness and cunning. If I were not a deeply religious person, I could have committed suicide

              hi Good luck to you!
  2. Olgovich
    Olgovich April 13 2018 06: 55
    +6
    Kolchak really collaborated with the interventionists, his subordinates committed atrocities in Siberia,
    The Bolsheviks collaborated with the interventionists — it was they who gave the country to the invaders forever.
    The memory of General Kornilov as a hero of wars and a defender of his homeland
    will be kept forever by the people of Russia.
    from epidemics of renaming streets and demolitions of some monuments to replace them with others

    There is a RETURN of the original names and pedestals to their true owners, and not to the idols who successively replaced each other: Marx to Lenin, Lenin to Stalin, Stalin ... Marx again.
    Soviet names of streets and cities built under the USSR-NOBODY changes! They were changed a dozen times by the Bolsheviks themselves, as they destroy their next ally
    Nicholas II and Vladimir Lenin, Kornilov and Chapaev, Denikin and Budyonny - these are all the history of our country, people who are significant for it, each of whom wished for good, although he understood this good on the basis of his own worldview, experience, values

    But Hitler is not a symbolic figure for Germany. In his own way, did he not want good, "although he understood this good from his own worldview, experience, and values"?
    You cannot justify everyone.
    Judged by business.
    Thanks to the author for the interesting story about the general. hi
    1. Dedrusav
      Dedrusav April 13 2018 07: 53
      +13
      The French took off something. It's time to break them. Kornilov is an enemy of the Russian people. Correctly failed.
      1. Fisher martin
        Fisher martin April 13 2018 08: 23
        +11
        Kornilov was not sinless. He was a passionate man. And if you objectively look at things, and not through the eyes of fans of “white rotten meat” like Olgovich or whatever it is, Kornilov arrested the imperial family (and there is no need to tell a fairy tale that he was saved and all that), he built a rebellion against the Provisional Government (what the rebellion was “ordered” by certain circles, it is a fact and there is no need to talk about revolutionary soldiers and all that) And his famous Ice Campaign is also a very interesting thing and what was not there. So uncle he is not easy :)
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich April 13 2018 09: 04
          +4
          Quote: Fisher Martin
          "white rot" like Olgovich

          I remind a lover of rotten meat 91 years old: the smell was so strong that even the advanced detachment of "hot fiery hearts" lol quietly ran away. lol
          Monuments are erected to the White Heroes of Russia, they are called street names and taught in schools.
          But their counterparts simply disappear, and the youth simply do not know them, even the bald foreign tourist.
          1. Fisher martin
            Fisher martin April 13 2018 09: 23
            +8
            “I remind the flyler of rotten meat 91 years: the smell was so strong that even the advanced detachment of“ hot fiery hearts ”lol“ quietly ran away ”- Yes, as in 1917, but only lovers of white rotten meat like you also filled the country with blood. “Monuments are being erected to the White Heroes of Russia, they are named after the streets and taught in schools.” - But in Russia there is nothing permanent, today they are white, tomorrow they are different, and they teach different things in schools :) “But their counterparts just disappear, and young people it’s just that they don’t know them, not even the bald foreign tourist. "- Yes, young people don’t know anything at all. Neither white nor red.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich April 13 2018 10: 03
              +3
              Quote: Fisher Martin
              Yes, as in 1917, but only lovers of white rotten meat like you have also flooded the country with blood.

              Since 1917, Russia FOUR years fought with usurpers. In the 91st, I will repeat for the tankman and lover of rotten meat, so that I cut myself a bundle on my nose:
              91 year: the smell was so strong that even advanced detachment of "hot fiery hearts" lol - quietly fled.
              Quote: Fisher Martin
              But in Russia there is nothing permanent, today they are white, tomorrow they are different, but they teach different things in schools

              You disappeared forever after your short period, and Russia returned to the development that it followed 1000 years 1000 years is a fairly constant value ..
              Quote: Fisher Martin
              Yes, young people do not know anything. Neither white nor red.

              fool
              No one speaks of reds, but a lot of whites everywhere.
              Got it?
              1. Fisher martin
                Fisher martin April 13 2018 10: 30
                +15
                Quote: Olgovich
                1917 Russia FOUR years fought with usurpers. In the 91st, I will repeat for the tanker and lover of rotten meat, so that I cut myself a bundle on my nose
                - Is that Kerensky? The Kornilovs and the other bastard who held the Provisional Government? Are you talking about them? You are right in one thing Russia fought with usurpers and I will add with traitors who relied on the interventionists and who somehow supported the Febalists. Hey white rotten meat you still support traitors. One word "white" - Tunic English,
                Shoulder strap french
                Japanese tobacco,
                Ruler of Omsk. " laughing
                Quote: Olgovich
                You disappeared forever after your short period, and Russia returned to the development that followed 1000 years 1000 years is a fairly constant value ..

                Am i gone I haven’t disappeared anywhere, you fool. And who are you? What development has she returned to? To the periphery of the world capitalist system? "1000 years is a fairly constant value- Yes? And why do you deny one piece in the history of Russia and exalt the other? So for you, the 1000-year-old history of Russia is not a constant value? Or is it all wrong with your logic, but a fool white? fool laughing
                Quote: Olgovich
                No one speaks of reds, but a lot of whites everywhere.

                Where? On TV? Well, tomorrow on TV they will talk about the Reds and you will scream that everyone is talking about the Reds laughing
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 April 13 2018 12: 47
                  +5
                  Quote: Fisher Martin
                  The Kornilovs and the other bastard who held the Provisional Government?

                  Rybachek, if not for the Provisional Government, then Lenin would have sat in Geneva until the end of his years, drank beer, a French bun for breakfast and drove a bike along the outskirts!
                  Quote: Fisher Martin
                  Russia fought with usurpers and add with traitors who relied on interventionists

                  laughing At the same time, the interventionists supported both white and red, and then who is the traitor?
                  Quote: Fisher Martin
                  What development has she returned to? To the periphery of the world capitalist system?

                  what You remind who built the Chelyabinsk Magnitogorsk, Chelyabinsk tractor, Kharkov tractor, GAZ, KAMAZ, VAZ? Who paid for the pipes of the Druzhba gas pipeline? Who gave money for Canadian and Argentinean grain in 70's? What nonsense is flogging?
                  Quote: Fisher Martin
                  Or are you not all right with logic, but a fool is white?

                  Fish, with logic, and you are not all right!
                  1. Fisher martin
                    Fisher martin April 13 2018 14: 20
                    +9
                    Quote: Serg65
                    Rybachek, if not for the Provisional Government, then Lenin would have sat in Geneva until the end of his years, drank beer, a French bun for breakfast and drove a bike along the outskirts!
                    And what did you want to say? That Lenin and Kerensky are one and the same person laughing
                    Quote: Serg65
                    At the same time, the interventionists supported both white and red, and then who is the traitor?
                    Truth? That is, the Japanese, Americans and other creatures followed behind the backs of the Reds? And not white?
                    Quote: Serg65
                    You remind who built the Chelyabinsk Magnitogorsk, Chelyabinsk tractor, Kharkov tractor, GAZ, KAMAZ, VAZ? Who paid for the pipes of the Druzhba gas pipeline? Who gave money for Canadian and Argentinean grain in 70's? What nonsense is flogging?

                    You’re scumbagging. I said that modern Russia is the periphery of the World capitalist system. Don't like the definition? Your problems.
                    1. Serg65
                      Serg65 April 13 2018 14: 32
                      +2
                      Quote: Fisher Martin
                      And what did you want to say? That Lenin and Kerensky are one and the same person

                      what Oh boy, my head is given to think, and not to support the wall ...
                      Quote: Fisher Martin
                      did the Japanese, Americans, and other creatures walk behind the backs of the Reds? And not white?

                      For those who are especially illiterate, I advise you to ask who invited the British and Americans to Murmansk, as well as to whom the French and Czechs handed over to Kolchak and what kind of locomotive of the 22 year!
                      Quote: Fisher Martin
                      I said that modern Russia is the periphery of the World capitalist system

                      So communist China in capitalism is to its ears, and on the periphery, Russia was in the 90's at the whim of the communists!
                      Quote: Fisher Martin
                      You nonsense

                      neuropsychosis? laughing
                      1. Fisher martin
                        Fisher martin April 13 2018 17: 29
                        +6
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Oh boy, my head is given to think, and not to support the wall ...
                        Here you are about your head and worry.
                        Quote: Serg65
                        For the most illiterate, I advise you to ask who invited the British and Americans to Murmansk,
                        For special illiterates, I advise you to read who disavowed this decision. By the way, this does not negate the fact that the Americans, the French and other evil spirits followed the whites. The dumb gold became here and handed over to Kolchak to the Czechs, and those Socialist-Revolutionaries, your beloved Kolchak went on his hands until he was shot. laughing laughing
                        Quote: Serg65
                        So communist China in capitalism is to its ears, and on the periphery, Russia was in the 90's at the whim of the communists!
                        Yes, you would have told Chubais and Gaidar then they would have laughed and turned at the temple, and at your wink
                        Why was? She is still on the periphery. The CPSU is to blame? lol
                        Quote: Serg65
                        neuropsychosis
                        Do not use terms that you do not understand bully
                2. Olgovich
                  Olgovich April 13 2018 13: 54
                  +3
                  Quote: Fisher Martin
                  Is this Kerensky or what? The Kornilovs and the other bastard who held the Provisional Government? Are you talking about them?

                  I'm talking about the whole of Russia, which opposed the usurpers of the Bolshevik authorities
                  Quote: Fisher Martin
                  You are right in one Russia fought with usurpers and add with traitors which relied on interventionists

                  How exactly are you about the Bolsheviks: both usurpers and traitors and invaders gave a third of the country.!
                  Quote: Fisher Martin
                  Am i gone I haven’t disappeared anywhere, you fool. And who are you?

                  You have disappeared — it’s you and others like you — already like thirty years.
                  Quote: Fisher Martin
                  And why are you denying one piece in the history of Russia and exalting another?

                  Learn to speak Russian: HOW can you deny what was in reality? fool
                  Quote: Fisher Martin
                  So for you, the 1000-year history of Russia is not a constant? Or are you not all right with logic, but a fool is white?

                  Write in Russian, ignoramus: HOW history can be constant or variable - fool lol well?
                  Quote: Fisher Martin
                  Where? On TV?

                  Everywhere yes
                  But tomorrow on TV they will talk about the Reds
                  Will you write when, okay? fool lol
                  1. Fisher martin
                    Fisher martin April 13 2018 14: 52
                    +4
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    I'm talking about the whole of Russia, which opposed the usurpers of the Bolshevik authorities
                    What pathos words. Why did they lose your whites? wink "How exactly are you about the Bolsheviks: both usurpers and traitors and invaders gave a third of the country.!" Which words. All mixed up. Actually, I’m talking about your beloved whites 1) Followed by the interventionists. 2) Who participated in the overthrow of the autocracy (for example, Alekseev) and supported the Februaryists (Kornilov and Co.) 3) They gave a third of the country to the tsarist army, which retreated from Poland and the Baltic States in 1915-1916, which the Provisional Government could not return. The Baltic states were returned only in 1939-40.
                    hi
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    You have disappeared — it’s you and others like you — already like thirty years.
                    Who are they? Who are you talking about? "Learn to speak Russian: HOW can you deny what was in reality?" I just do not deny reality. I say that the history of Russia is a single whole. You yell that the Soviet Union-this is some kind of anomaly. fool
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    Write in Russian, ignoramus: HOW can history be constant or variable - fool lol well?
                    “Russia has returned to the development that followed 1000 years, 1000 years is a fairly constant value ..” - These are your words? Or are you really weird or kidding? wink
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    Write when good
                    And then you will become an ardent Bolshevik after that? wink wink
                  2. Alexander Greene
                    Alexander Greene April 13 2018 18: 50
                    +5
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    I'm talking about the whole of Russia, which opposed the usurpers of the Bolshevik authorities

                    Well, what are you talking about? If all of Russia stood up against the Bolsheviks, they would never have won.
          2. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn April 13 2018 09: 49
            +3
            Quote: Olgovich
            Monuments are erected to the White Heroes of Russia, they are called street names and taught in schools.

            who cares? Kolchak was not given, for example, in St. Petersburg, Mannerheim too.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich April 13 2018 10: 08
              +4
              Quote: Stirbjorn
              Kolchak was not given, for example, in St. Petersburg,

              Kolchak has a lot of monuments and boards: in St. Petersburg and Moscow, in Irkutsk, Omsk, in the North, in a museum, etc.
              Search and find!
              1. Stirbjorn
                Stirbjorn April 13 2018 10: 23
                +8
                Quote: Olgovich
                Kolchak has a lot of monuments and boards: in St. Petersburg and Moscow, in Irkutsk, Omsk, in the North, in a museum, etc.
                Search and find!

                we do not have Peter boards Kolchak, dismantled immediately. so this is all your fantasies about the memory of the white generals
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich April 13 2018 14: 15
                  +3
                  Quote: Stirbjorn
                  we do not have Peter boards Kolchak, dismantled immediately. so this is all your fantasies about the memory of the white generals

                  This is necessary so do not love your city
                  And there is still wink
                  Quote: Stirbjorn
                  about popular memory to white generals

                  Only Kolchak monuments count how many yes . I have listed, but not all.
                  1. Stirbjorn
                    Stirbjorn April 13 2018 16: 16
                    +8
                    Quote: Olgovich

                    This is necessary so do not love your city

                    Bgggg is inside the Marine Corps, if there is one, because the entrance there is closed to outsiders wassat otherwise the grateful people will still do something similar
                    1. RUSS
                      RUSS April 13 2018 21: 11
                      +1
                      Quote: Stirbjorn
                      Quote: Olgovich

                      This is necessary so do not love your city

                      Bgggg is inside the Marine Corps, if there is one, because the entrance there is closed to outsiders wassat otherwise the grateful people will still do something similar

                      These plow baubles hung dodges from some leftist organization, by the way, the FSB hurt them a bit now.
                  2. Alexander Greene
                    Alexander Greene April 13 2018 18: 47
                    +7
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    Only Kolchak monuments count how many

                    In Siberia, villages still call Kolchak dogs.
                    1. RUSS
                      RUSS April 14 2018 11: 53
                      0
                      Quote: Alexander Green
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      Only Kolchak monuments count how many

                      In Siberia, villages still call Kolchak dogs.

                      That's bullshit.
          3. Fisher martin
            Fisher martin April 13 2018 10: 01
            +7
            Quote: Olgovich
            I remind a lover of rotten meat 91 years old: the smell was so strong that even the advanced detachment of "hot fiery hearts" lol quietly ran away. lol
            Yes, yes, as in 1917, and even similar lovers of "white" blood poured into your country wink
            Quote: Olgovich
            Monuments are erected to the White Heroes of Russia, they are called street names and taught in schools.

            Schools teach different things lol , so do not bzdi.
            Quote: Olgovich
            But their counterparts simply disappear, and the youth simply do not know them, even the bald foreign tourist.

            Imagine the youth does not know who Kornilov is, the youth in general do not care.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich April 13 2018 14: 17
              +3
              Quote: Fisher Martin
              not so bzdi.

              Fi, learn to behave in a decent VO society. negative
          4. RUSS
            RUSS April 13 2018 21: 08
            0
            Quote: Olgovich
            even a bald foreign tourist.

            laughing good
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich April 13 2018 08: 43
        +3
        Quote: Dedrusav
        French people disengaged something

        Do not need your problems ( lol "cocked") to blame others. yes
        Quote: Dedrusav
        Kornilov is an enemy of the Russian people. Correctly failed.

        Kornilov-Hero of the Russian people. Was, is and will be.
        And the killers have sunk into oblivion. Forever. yes
        1. Fisher martin
          Fisher martin April 13 2018 08: 54
          +10
          Kornilov-Hero of the Russian people. Was, is and will be. “Is he your hero?” Well, say so. Don’t tell others for that. “And the killers have sunk into oblivion. Forever” - Are you talking about Kolchak and the same Kornilov? Then yes, they have sunk into oblivion forever, only you get an orgasm from their mention :)
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich April 13 2018 10: 10
            +3
            Quote: Fisher Martin
            Is he your hero? Well, say so. Don’t tell others for that.

            I speak for those who erect monuments to them and call the streets. This is the people.
            I don’t speak for you, because you and your ilk are already 30 years old no hi
            1. Fisher martin
              Fisher martin April 13 2018 11: 24
              +6
              Quote: Olgovich
              I speak for those who erect monuments to them and call the streets. This is the people.
              Do you speak for those? And then those? And in general, the local population is asked whether they want to see it or not. laughing Or are you simply imposing your leaders on them, like the Bolsheviks?
              Quote: Olgovich
              I don’t speak for you, because you and your ilk have been gone for 30 years

              I'm not there And who is not with me? Are you talking on your own wassat
        2. Alexander Greene
          Alexander Greene April 13 2018 18: 52
          +6
          Quote: Olgovich
          Kornilov-Hero of the Russian people. Was, is and will be.

          No matter how you say halva-halva, there will be no sweeter mouth.
          1. Hantengri
            Hantengri April 13 2018 22: 34
            +5
            Quote: Alexander Green
            No matter how you say halva-halva, there will be no sweeter mouth.

            Correct: Literally, translated from Turkic (any), it sounds like this:
            “No matter how many times you say halva, your mouth will not be sweet.”

            The olgovichoobraznyh will. (Self-hypnosis
            + placebo effect multiplied by schizophrenia ...)
            1. Curious
              Curious April 13 2018 23: 14
              +4
              "... multiplied by schizophrenia ... " I tend to dementia.
              1. Hantengri
                Hantengri April 14 2018 00: 15
                +4
                Quote: Curious
                I tend to dementia.

                Well dementia, so dementia! Also an option.drinks
        3. saigon
          saigon April 13 2018 20: 42
          +6
          Oh, Mr. Olgovich, it’s somehow not pleasant for me to call such a hero.
          He betrayed his king, sort of like he’s messed up in the arrest of the emperor, about the oath to the Tsar in the general silent (violated whatever you say)
          And the ice campaign along the steppes with the assault of the city head-on with bayonets also does not attract tactics.
          You know, there is such an “anti-Soviet league” at Maspark that even those Vlasov in the heroes of Russia walk in those characters, and that logic also violated the iron oath.
          But really one Tsar to another people of the USSR the oath was stolen a lot in common that would be in the heroes!
      3. Serg65
        Serg65 April 13 2018 10: 24
        +4
        Quote: Dedrusav
        Kornilov is an enemy of the Russian people

        laughing You broke it so ????
      4. Hantengri
        Hantengri April 13 2018 22: 20
        +5
        Quote: Dedrusav
        The French took off something.

        Olgovich is not a Frenchman. He is a Moldavian, with all the consequences ...
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 April 14 2018 07: 22
          +1
          Quote: HanTengri
          He is a Moldavian, with all the consequences ...

          At the same time, Olgovich does not call you an Uzbek with all the consequences recourse
          1. Curious
            Curious April 14 2018 20: 30
            +2
            Do you know that in the Soviet Army the existence of such a nationality as the Moldavians was generally denied?
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 April 14 2018 21: 52
              +2
              Quote: Curious
              Do you know that in the Soviet Army the existence of such a nationality as the Moldavians was generally denied?

              Yah? Nuka, Nuka, more in detail ....
              1. Curious
                Curious April 14 2018 23: 22
                +2
                Have you served in the Soviet Army? Or were there no representatives of this solar republic in the fleet?
    2. Fisher martin
      Fisher martin April 13 2018 08: 02
      +9
      “The Bolsheviks collaborated with the interventionists — it was they who gave the country to the invaders forever.” “Yes, yes, it’s especially honored that the Russian army had surrendered these lands to Poland and the Baltic States in 1915-1916. Great retreat and all that. "it will be kept forever by the people of Russia" - But you do not speak for the people, you speak for yourself. "children will RETURN the original names and pedestals to their true owners, and not to the idols who successively replaced each other: Marx to Lenin, Lenin to Stalin, Stalin ... Marx again." - Yes, and for one street of houses built in the USSR and the monuments named after the heroes of the Great Patriotic War are also renamed and the monuments to Lenin erected at one time from scratch in the Union are often demolished in modern Russia and what is better than the Bolsheviks? “You cannot justify everyone.” - But you do not justify, you are stigmatizing.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich April 13 2018 08: 52
        +3
        Quote: Fisher Martin
        The Bolsheviks collaborated with the interventionists — it was they who gave the country to the invaders forever. "- Yes, yes, especially in honorl that the Russian army had surrendered these lands before.

        belay fool lol Perform “three U” Ilica: “U, U and U!”, So as not to carry this nonsense.
        Quote: Fisher Martin
        А you do not speak for the people, you speak for yourself.

        You will poke yourself lol ... to myself. And the people erect monuments to him and name the streets
        Quote: Fisher Martin
        And for one street of the houses built in the USSR and named after the heroes of the Second World War are also renamed

        False
        Quote: Fisher Martin
        And you do not condone, you stigmatize

        belay fool lol
        1. Fisher martin
          Fisher martin April 13 2018 09: 55
          +8
          You will poke yourself lol ... yourself. And the people erect monuments to him and name the streets. Modern authorities erect monuments to them and no one asks the people. But in Russia there is nothing permanent wink "Lies" - But this is not a lie. It happened at one time.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich April 13 2018 10: 16
            +3
            Quote: Fisher Martin
            He erects monuments to them monuments of modern power and the people no one asks.

            It is the people who collect the money. And the people did not ask the so-called authorities who demolished after the VOR monuments created with the money of the people and sculpted plaster Marxes, Engels, Iliche, etc. on the old pedestals.
            Quote: Fisher Martin
            But as I said in Russia there is nothing permanent

            You were inconsistent (70 years old) amid constant 1000 years of Russia.
            1. Fisher martin
              Fisher martin April 13 2018 11: 38
              +6
              Quote: Olgovich
              It is the people who collect the money. And the people did not ask the so-called authorities who demolished after the VOR monuments created with the money of the people and sculpted plaster Marxes, Engels, Iliche, etc. on the old pedestals
              Maybe you collected money monuments. But you are not a people. You are a private person. bully
              Quote: Olgovich
              You were an unstable value (70 years) against the background of a constant 1000-year-old Russia.
              A variable value cannot exist in a constant value, it is complete nonsense. So the 1000-year history of Russia is not a constant value, and by this you confirm my thesis that in Russia there is nothing constant. And the history of Russia has repeatedly proved this. hi
            2. Hantengri
              Hantengri April 14 2018 00: 38
              +4
              Quote: Olgovich
              against the backdrop of a permanent 1000 year old Russia.

              Permanent? Oh oh Olgovich, have you bitten Samsonov?
        2. Fisher martin
          Fisher martin April 13 2018 10: 38
          +7
          Quote: Olgovich
          Perform "three U" Ilica: "U, U and U!", So as not to carry this nonsense
          You are talking nonsense, go teach the history of the First World Ignoramus. wink
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich April 13 2018 14: 21
            +1
            Quote: Fisher Martin
            Quote: Olgovich
            Perform "three U" Ilica: "U, U and U!", So as not to carry this nonsense
            You are talking nonsense, go teach the history of the First World Ignoramus. wink

            If you don’t want to do “Three Us”, then do “Three KUs”: with this knowledge you only have to do this. lol
      2. Dart2027
        Dart2027 April 13 2018 18: 57
        +2
        Quote: Fisher Martin
        Yes, yes, it is especially honored that the Russian army had surrendered these lands to Poland and the Baltic States in 1915-1916. Great retreat and all that

        Retreat during the war and the distribution of territories are not the same thing
      3. Weyland
        Weyland April 13 2018 21: 37
        +1
        Quote: Fisher Martin
        it’s an honor that the Russian Army — Poland and the Baltic States — in 1915-1916, surrendered these lands before that.

        And what about Ukraine? At peace, even after the most successful war, the winner annexes much lessthan he managed to occupy (Peter the 1st at the end of the Northern War occupied all of Finland - for the sole purpose that at the conclusion of peace there was something to yield to the Swedes!) And Judas Lenin am gave to the Germans a lot morewhat they had under the occupation - a case to which I do not know precedents in history!
        1. Rastas
          Rastas April 13 2018 22: 07
          +1
          You take into account that, together with the territory of Ukraine, the Germans simultaneously got a big hemorrhoids in the person of its inhabitants, who had to be somehow subordinated to themselves, but the locals did not want this. As a result, instead of concluding a peace without annexations and indemnities and sending the liberated units to the Western Front, Germany was forced to keep troops in Ukraine and the Baltic states, which accelerated only its defeat. But cases of the return of the territory I can not go far for an example, I can’t climb into the wilds of history. Alexander II gave Alaska to the Americans without any war at all. Traitor?
          1. Weyland
            Weyland April 13 2018 23: 39
            0
            Quote: Rastas
            Instead of making peace without annexations and indemnities and sending the liberated units to the Western Front, Germany was forced to keep troops in Ukraine and the Baltic states, which accelerated only her defeat.

            And how many bread did Germany export from Ukraine in 1918, to remind? Without grub, they would have been even faster defeated!
            Quote: Rastas
            Alexander II gave Alaska to the Americans without any war at all. Traitor?

            It was better to sell quickly than to shamefully lose the war — there were only 700 people in Alaska!
            1. Rastas
              Rastas April 14 2018 00: 45
              +2
              If such a conversation, then recall how much bread was taken out. I also want to recall that at the negotiations in Brest-Litovsk Ukraine had a separate delegation that had nothing to do with the Bolsheviks. But who threatened Alaska is not clear. They didn’t get into the Crimean War, and then there was complete peace with America, Alexander II supported the North in their Civil War.
              1. Weyland
                Weyland April 14 2018 15: 58
                0
                Quote: Rastas
                But who threatened Alaska is not clear.

                Gold miners - several million bandits from around the world. Google the California Gold Rush - CZH, on the territory that we also sold shortly before!
        2. Alexander Greene
          Alexander Greene April 14 2018 00: 26
          +6
          Quote: Weyland
          Lenin gave the Germans much more than they had under the occupation - a case to which I know no precedent in history!

          And you think that it would be if the Bolsheviks did not accept the ultimatum and continue the war - the Germans would surely have reached the Urals, the rest of the territory would be occupied by the Entente with Japan, and Russia would be wiped off the face of the earth. And so, having received a respite in a short period of time, the Bolsheviks managed to build statehood and, most importantly, the Red Army. which dealt with both the interventionists and the white guard.
          1. Weyland
            Weyland April 14 2018 16: 00
            0
            Quote: Alexander Green
            the Germans would surely have reached the Urals,

            The Germans, who at that moment needed all the forces on the western front? laughing
            1. Alexander Greene
              Alexander Greene April 15 2018 13: 33
              +3
              Quote: Weyland
              The Germans, who at that moment needed all the forces on the western front?

              What for? There was also a positional war, but here in Russia there is an open front, success was achieved, and they hoped in a short time to finish off the Russian army and destroy the young Soviet state so that Russia became their raw materials appendage.
              1. Weyland
                Weyland April 15 2018 14: 09
                0
                Quote: Alexander Green
                destroy the young Soviet state so that Russia becomes their raw materials appendage.

                Who would let them? Do you really believe that they could do it? laughing He and Ukraine could not keep for a long time! Here is an eyewitness account of the events:

                “There were four hundred thousand Germans, and around them four hundred and forty-four hundred thousand men with hearts burning with unquenched malice. Oh, many, many piled up in these hearts. And the blows of lieutenant stacks on the faces, and shrapnel runaway fire on the rebellious villages, backs streaked with streaks ramrod hetman Serdyukov, and receipts on scraps of paper in the handwriting of majors and lieutenants of the German army:
                "Give the Russian pig for a pig bought from her 25 marks."
                A good-natured, contemptuous laughter over those who came with such a receipt to the headquarters of the Germans in the City. (...)
                - There were tens of thousands of people who returned from the war and knew how to shoot ... But the officers themselves learned by order of the authorities!
                Hundreds of thousands of rifles buried in the ground, hidden in clams and lockers and not surrendered, despite German military courts coming fast, flogging and shrapnel firing, millions of rounds in the same land and three-inch guns in every fifth village and machine guns in every second, in every town, warehouses of shells, tseikhgauza with overcoats and hats.
                And in these same towns, teachers, paramedics, classmates, Ukrainian seminarians who, by the will of fate, became ensigns, the hefty sons of beekeepers, captains with Ukrainian surnames ... everyone speaks Ukrainian, everyone loves a magical, imagined Ukraine, without lords, without lords Muscovite officers - and thousands of former Ukrainian prisoners who returned from Galicia.
                Is this in the midst of tens of thousands of peasants? .. Oh hoo! "
                1. Alexander Greene
                  Alexander Greene April 15 2018 15: 47
                  +2
                  Quote: Weyland
                  Is this in the midst of tens of thousands of peasants? .. Oh hoo! "

                  You forget that the Germans, having occupied the territory, established on it a local occupying power loyal to them (the Hetman Skoropadsky), which suppressed their own Ukrainians, and with this power, until the revolution broke out in Germany no one could do anything. moreover, the local population did not oppose the seizure of territories until German soldiers began a massive robbery.
                  1. Weyland
                    Weyland April 17 2018 22: 25
                    0
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    You forget that the Germans, having occupied the territory, established on it an occupying power loyal to them from the local (Hetman Skoropadsky)

                    Am I forgetting this? laughing You actually identified the source? There it comes from how Skoropadsky demonstrated excellent compliance with the nomen est omen rule! laughing
    3. bistrov.
      bistrov. April 13 2018 08: 43
      +15
      Quote: Olgovich
      Thanks to the author for the interesting story about the general.

      Enough here to praise the white generals. It was their fault that there was a civil war and foreign intervention. Then they did all kinds of harm to Russia while living abroad, and served Hitler, helping him destroy Russia.

      On their hands is the blood of the Russian people, they don’t need to erect monuments, but anathematize them and erase them from the people's memory forever.

      Modern Russian liberals, starting from Kudrin and ending with the bony Sobchak, are just such as these Kornilov, Krasnov, Shkuro, they will sell for money and will serve anyone, even to hell, even to the devil. Therefore, similar articles appear everywhere, looking for "historical examples", we supposedly also "served Russia"

      “We serve Russia”, and for some reason we keep money in the UK.
      1. Fisher martin
        Fisher martin April 13 2018 08: 59
        +8
        Now a fan of white rotten meat Olgovich will come running to you and start yelling at you. This is not true, you are all lying. "Enough of us here to praise the white generals. It was their fault that there was a civil war and foreign intervention. Then they did all kinds of harm to Russia living abroad, served Hitler, helping him destroy Russia." - Well, my friend, I let myself stand up for the white generals, not it’s necessary to all under one comb. Among them were worthy people. Recall Wrangel at least.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 April 13 2018 09: 17
          +4
          Quote: Fisher Martin
          Now a fan of white rotten meat Olgovich will come running

          Quote: Fisher Martin
          Well, my friend for the white generals, I will allow myself to intercede

          Well, what will I tell you, Fisherman Martin, intercede, why insult a person? Or so, knock on the clave for your own greatness?
          1. Fisher martin
            Fisher martin April 13 2018 10: 34
            +4
            Sorry dude, well, this poor thing I can’t take otherwise. Okay, I’ll fix it wink
            1. K.A.S.
              K.A.S. April 13 2018 17: 00
              +2
              Quote: Fisher Martin
              Sorry dude, well, this poor thing I can’t take otherwise. Okay, I’ll fix it wink

              Yeah! reading your comments with a tantrum. with insults, I imagine what ....... nobodies seized power in Russia in 1917! it is not surprising that the people turned them at 91 and now voted against the Communists!
              Give me a couple of years, a staff of professional talkers and all the means of the state with the right to exterminate millions of dissatisfied, and I will create a genius of all times and peoples from a bald, burry impotent, obsessed with executions of children! this is about the genius of the Yolsheviks and recognition of their merits by the people! one can disagree with the rezun, but here he is right, only the power of the Bolsheviks weakened and the genius of Ilyich began to disappear!
              1. Alexander Greene
                Alexander Greene April 13 2018 19: 02
                +8
                Quote: K.A.S.
                only the power of the Bolsheviks weakened and the genius of Ilyich began to disappear!

                Here you are mistaken, Ilyich’s genius doesn’t disappear and doesn’t disappear, they simply diminished by that time, but this is a temporary phenomenon, the pseudo-democratic hypnosis of the late 80s has already dissipated, everyone understood how they fooled them, now everyone is tormented by the eternal Russian question: " What to do?"
          2. Rastas
            Rastas April 13 2018 22: 11
            +2
            You see, you can treat white people as patriots of Russia (here, however, the question is in what form they imagined it). But the question of what would happen if they won was a serious one. After all, living in exile, organizing various unions to "save Russia from the Bolsheviks," they only did that they were dogged together. As a result, without agreeing, part went to America, part returned to the USSR, part went to serve Hitler, and part - to the Resistance.
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich April 13 2018 10: 24
        +2
        Quote: bistrov.
        Enough of us here to praise the white generals. It was their fault that there was a civil war and foreign intervention

        Stop saying “stop” -You are not in your kitchen.
        Quote: bistrov.
        It was their fault that there was a civil war and foreign intervention.

        The Bolsheviks attacked the air forces in St. Petersburg and throughout the country, thousands died immediately and away we go.
        Before the Bolsheviks, there was neither Gr War nor intervention.
        Quote: bistrov.
        served Hitler, helping him destroy Russia.

        Hitler was served by dozens of times by conspiratorial citizens. By the way, the name Russia on the world map did not exist for 70 years. Forgot?
        Quote: bistrov.
        , for money they will sell and will serve anyone, even the devil, even the devil.

        You have well described the Bolshevik bonzes: Humpbacked and EBN, and others.
        Quote: bistrov.
        We serve Russia, "and for some reason we keep money in the UK.

        And it is well reminded: children and granddaughters Stalin, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, anropic, must, etc. - not only money is kept there, but also LIVE therewatering slop and sovstroy and the USSR and Russia today.
      3. Weyland
        Weyland April 13 2018 21: 39
        0
        Quote: bistrov.
        Then they did harm to Russia in every possible way while living abroad, and served Hitler, helping him destroy Russia.

        And there were many of them - except for Krasnov and Shkuro, whom you indicated (to which you added Kornilov, who died in 1918), from some fright?
    4. Serg65
      Serg65 April 13 2018 08: 55
      +3
      Quote: Olgovich
      You cannot justify everyone.
      Judged by business.

      Olgovich, while we will recall each other sins of a hundred years ago, we will for centuries confess to the joy of "good" neighbors and "partners"!
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich April 13 2018 10: 31
        +2
        Quote: Serg65
        Olgovich, while we will recall each other sins of a hundred years ago, we will for centuries confess to the joy of "good" neighbors and "partners"!

        Dear Sergey, these are not their "partners", dog business -We'll figure it out ourselves, inside.
        For me, the catastrophe of the 91 year and the Russian Cross are the determining factors in assessing the rightness and wrongness of the parties hi
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 April 13 2018 10: 44
          +3
          Quote: Olgovich
          it's not their "partners" dog business

          Just them! The more we get dirty, the easier it is to destroy the country! So it was in the 16-17 years, and at the end of the 80's it was, and it is happening now!
          Quote: Olgovich
          For me, the catastrophe of the 91 year and the Russian Cross are the determining factors in assessing the rightness and wrongness of the parties

          what And who is right, who is to blame?
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich April 13 2018 14: 26
            +1
            Quote: Serg65
            Just them!

            they think so. We ourselves do not go to them for refereeing; this is our business.
            Quote: Serg65
            And who is right, who is to blame?

            Those are right whose flag flies today over the Kremlin! yes
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 April 13 2018 14: 44
              +2
              Quote: Olgovich
              We ourselves do not go to them for refereeing.

              Olgovich, you are a smart person! All Russian revolutions were paid from outside and who asked the Russian people?
              Quote: Olgovich
              Right are those whose Flag flies over the Kremlin today!

              Controversial moment!
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      1. Weyland
        Weyland April 13 2018 21: 42
        0
        Quote: Conserp
        The Bolsheviks collaborated with the interventionists — it was they who gave the country to the invaders forever.
        Your reports from the Ukrainian psychiatric hospital are always entertaining.

        Why? For example, we lost the territory, not a third, but only a quarter (it was 22,4, it became 17,1) - but the population half!
        1. Conserp
          Conserp April 13 2018 23: 52
          +5
          What did the Bolsheviks have to do with it?

          Do you personally Goebbels telepathically ordered to blame the Bolsheviks?
  3. Serge72
    Serge72 April 13 2018 06: 56
    +20
    Kornilov is the only general of the PMV who escaped from captivity. Yes, even with adventure.
    The personality is bright and fighting.
    This was also understood by the Austrian Major General Raft - after all, in a night battle at Takoshan, he was captured by a group of volunteers of the 189th Izmail Infantry Regiment under the personal command of L. G. Kornilov. Seeing the small number of the Russian detachment, General Raft was shocked - and uttered his historical phrase.
    1. Conserp
      Conserp April 13 2018 17: 00
      +2
      Vlasov is also a bright and fighting person.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS April 13 2018 21: 13
        +2
        Quote: Conserp
        Vlasov is also a bright and fighting person.

        A true communist, Stalin's favorite
        1. Conserp
          Conserp April 13 2018 23: 53
          +4
          Are you bored on your Bandera forums?
          1. RUSS
            RUSS April 14 2018 11: 56
            0
            Quote: Conserp
            Are you bored on your Bandera forums?

            Who are you to whom?
      2. ALEA IACTA EST
        ALEA IACTA EST April 13 2018 21: 48
        +2
        Here is such a dirty trick was the favorite of the Soviet elite.
  4. Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 13 2018 08: 53
    +1
    The personality is certainly bright. Civil War figures - by definition, are tragic. I would very much like to have complete information on the arrest of the Emperor. But in this story, it is difficult to separate the grains from the chaff.

    I simply plan to read Kashgaria, but hardly in the near future.
  5. Opera
    Opera April 13 2018 09: 59
    +6
    Quote: bistrov.
    Then they did harm to Russia in every possible way while living abroad, and served Hitler, helping him destroy Russia.

    If you decide to demonstrate your class hatred here, at least do it somehow more literally! At least briefly read the material and do not disgrace! Although if you push such speeches from an armored car, it will probably come down with a certain category of listeners! In the war against the Nazis, tens of thousands of Russian white patriots fought! I will say heroically fought in the armies of England, Canada, the USA! Remember before you grind rubbish about the French and Italian resistance! About a thousand Russian immigrants fought in Spain against the Franco regime! According to the memoirs of the Soviet general Batov P.I. in Spain, under his command, dozens of white emigrant officers, including senior officers, fought! Colonel of the Tsarist Army Glinoedsky V.K. was a member of the Republicans of the military council of the Aragon Front! In order not to write a lot, I’ll just say that after the German attack on France, the 250 thousandth Russian community put up 20 volunteers. These were volunteers, not recruits!
    You comrade should be ashamed of your writings!
    1. BAI
      BAI April 13 2018 12: 06
      +5
      In order not to write a lot, I’ll just say that after the German attack on France, the 250 thousandth Russian community put up 20 volunteers.

      1. Fisher martin
        Fisher martin April 13 2018 12: 29
        +4
        So who shouted that he was ashamed of someone’s scribble? And the opera?
        1. Opera
          Opera April 13 2018 14: 06
          +3
          Quote: Fisher Martin
          So who shouted that he was ashamed of someone’s scribble? And the opera?

          Below I did not answer you. I'm not going to talk to you at all. To answer rudeness with rudeness is the lot of boors. I don’t want to stoop before that, but you won’t understand otherwise. It is up to the moderators to protect people from any kind of hamla here. I do not belong to them! Are you badly raised or haven’t raised you at all! Learn to behave in a normal society if this is certainly not overly difficult for you.
          1. Fisher martin
            Fisher martin April 13 2018 14: 59
            +5
            Yes, relax. Look, how you broke up. And the fact that you went too far in your writings is simply obvious.
      2. Opera
        Opera April 13 2018 13: 20
        +3
        Well, what are you doing so ugly ?! What do you want to show by this? What were those who went to fight against Soviet Russia ?! Were! And there were few red commanders who voluntarily sided with the fascists ?! To show a little truth and surround it with lies on all sides with crafty conclusions drawn from this lie is a typical Goebbels propaganda technique! Let us better remember with you the tsar general Anton Denikin who had one of the decisive influences on the actions of the white movement during the years of World War II. So he defiantly refused to cooperate with the Nazis and Vlasov! Moreover, despite the fact that he was constantly under pressure by the Gestapo, he exposed his former associates who had gone to serve the Nazis. Here are his words said on the occasion of the 2th anniversary of the Volunteer Army: "We experienced pain in the days of the defeat of the army, although it is called" Red "and not Russian and rejoiced in the days of its victories! ... we heartily wish it a victorious conclusion ... "In the anti-Hitler fight, he was helped by the Cossack lieutenant general Pyotr Pisarev. Since 27, after the capture of France, he headed the banned Union of Volunteers. Major General of the White Guard Aviation Vyacheslav Baranov. One of the most active participants in the anti-Soviet struggle in southern Russia, cavalry general Pyotr Popov flatly refused the offer of the Nazis for which he was arrested by the Gestapo. This is only a small fraction of the examples when talking about generals. And about Yugoslavia, if you already deigned about the Russian Security Corps, how to speak of a "typical" example - in February 1940, the leadership of the Union of Cossacks and Participants of the Great War asked the French military attache in Belgrade to provide assistance to the White Guard units that wish to fulfillment of the old Russian allied duty ...
        Tell you more about Prince Nikolai Obolensky prisoner of Buchenwald, the real heroine Princess Vera Obolenskaya (Vicki) who heroically died in the Nazi dungeons, which the German investigators nicknamed "The Princess I Know Nothing"? She was executed by the Nazis on August 4, 1944 .. Her head was chopped off. Here are her last words: "I do not want to change either my homeland or the country that has sheltered me."
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich April 13 2018 14: 30
          +3
          Quote: Oper
          ! What do you want to show by this? What were those who went to fight against Soviet Russia ?! Were! And there were few red commanders who voluntarily sided with the fascists ?!

          Dear Igor, this is their usual trick.
          There is already the usual answer to this: Hitler served an order of magnitude more Soviet citizens. But it would seem ...
          1. Opera
            Opera April 13 2018 14: 40
            +3
            Hello Andrei. It's not about who is more, but who is less! The fact is that the vast majority of Russian people, both red and white, fought against fascism, were in partisan detachments, underground, or helped as far as their strength and capabilities were! The attempts of some of the so-called adherents of Bolshevism to gloss over with a black paint the entire White Movement actually turn against themselves! They themselves do not understand that such behavior just discredits the red idea they love so much. Yes, and then the arguments of the series - he himself! Any literate person who at least occasionally reads something about the fight against fascism in the 2nd World War knows that this is nothing more than a vile lie!
            1. Conserp
              Conserp April 13 2018 16: 51
              +4
              Quote: Oper
              Any literate person who at least occasionally reads something about the fight against fascism in the 2nd World War knows that this is nothing more than a vile lie!

              Apparently, I mean the State Department literature?
        2. BAI
          BAI April 13 2018 14: 54
          +4
          Well, what are you doing so ugly ?! What do you want to show by this? What were those who went to fight against Soviet Russia ?! Were!

          What is ugly here? In that text, in response to which I cited this document not a word about cooperation with Hitler. To put it mildly - not true. You yourself acknowledge this. According to your text, it turns out that all the emigrants, as one, went to war against fascism, again I repeat this is not so. You do not need to drag just the facts convenient for yourself.
          As the historian V. Buldakov said absolutely correctly "Red Troubles. The Nature and Consequences of Revolutionary Violence": "A true historian should relate equally to red and white."
          No need to advertise only one side.
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn April 13 2018 16: 18
      +1
      Quote: Oper
      About a thousand Russian immigrants fought in Spain against the Franco regime!

      White emigres fought just on the side of Franco, these are emigrants from Trotskyists, anarchists and others on the side of the republic
    3. Conserp
      Conserp April 13 2018 16: 53
      +3
      Quote: Oper
      In the war against the Nazis, tens of thousands of Russian white patriots fought!

      What is the specific number? And next to it - how many served the Nazis.

      Or ashamed?
  6. Opera
    Opera April 13 2018 10: 07
    +5
    Quote: bistrov.
    Modern Russian liberals, starting from Kudrin and ending with the bony Sobchak, are just such as these Kornilov, Krasnov, Shkuro, they will sell for money and will serve anyone, even to hell, even to the devil. Therefore, similar articles appear everywhere, looking for "historical examples", we supposedly also "served Russia"
    “We serve Russia”, and for some reason we keep money in the UK.

    But this post of yours is generally typical of the neo-Bolsheviks! As in 1917 they smeared everyone with one world - who is not against us against us! So it is now! You have no time to understand the intricacies of political platforms! For you, both a conservative liberal and a monarchist liberal, but at the same time, if it is advantageous at this particular time, you wave your hands with the flags in bulk and yell at the demonstrations against the Putin regime! Why should revolutionaries understand all sorts of bourgeois subtleties ?! Revolutions in white gloves are not being made, and woods are being cut down by wood!
  7. midshipman
    midshipman April 13 2018 11: 50
    +8
    And why this article? Whom did the author want to whitewash? They are going to hang the board again, like a mannerheim. These people killed the Russians, forget about them. They did not bring the power of Russia. Here is the grief of historians pouring mud on Ivan the Terrible, and bet Russia grew into territories. In the North, the robbery of our settlements has stopped. He brutally cracked down on enemy troops once and put things in order. But then the monument was erected to the drunks - the Center, for the fact that he ruined our country. The man was awarded the Order of St. Andrew the First-Called for having surrendered the United States. After some time, the people, I think, will appreciate all this.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS April 13 2018 21: 17
      +1
      Quote: midshipman
      And why this article? Whom did the author want to whitewash? They are going to hang the board again, like a mannerheim. These people killed Russians, forget about them

      How do you forget them? The same RVIO has now agreed on the installation in Moscow of a bust of the commander of the Civil War, Lieutenant General Mikhail Efremov.
  8. BAI
    BAI April 13 2018 11: 56
    +9
    All these details of his biography in Soviet times were forgotten,

    In Soviet times, much was forgotten:
    Kornilov as a military leader
    Describing the hostilities in late August 1914 on the Southwestern Front, Brusilov wrote about Kornilov:
    "In the very first battle, in which his division took part, he crawled forward unnecessarily, and when in the evening I ordered this division to move back at night, since the enemy’s forces, which were significantly higher than us, were accumulating against my center, where I was pulling my forces, - he didn’t fulfill my order and sent the chief of the corps to me with a report that he asked to leave his division in place, however, he hid this request from the commander of the corps Tsurkanov, for these actions I removed the chief of the corps Tregubov from the post. In the morning the Kornilov’s division was defeated and thrown back, and only the 12th Cavalry Division with its attack saved the 48th Infantry Division from complete defeat, while the Kornilov Division lost 28 guns and many machine guns. I wanted to bring him to court at the same time for failure to fulfill my order, but the intercession of corps commander Tsurkanov saved him from the punishment threatening him".

    Everything repeated a few months later:
    In November 1914, when the offensive of the Southwestern Front took place, the 24th Corps, which included Kornilov’s division, “was ordered, according to Brusilov, not to descend from the pass, but here General Kornilov again proved himself in an undesirable sense Fascinated by a thirst for excellence in his hot temperament, he did not follow the instructions of his corps commander and, without asking permission, rolled down the mountains and, contrary to the order given to him, arrived in Gumennoye, the 1st combined Cossack division was already hosted, which was indicated without taking artillery with him, to raid the Hungarian plain, to panic there and quickly return. Kornilov apparently assumed the same task, for which he was duly punished. Honved (Hungarian. - Auth.) the division, moving from Uzhgorod to Turk, turned onto Stakchin and went to the rear of the Kornilov’s division, so that he was cut off from his retreat, he tried to make his way back, but failed he had to throw a battery of mountain guns that were with him, charging boxes, part of a convoy, several hundred prisoners and with the remnants of his division, .. return by paths".

    The result was logical.
    Brusilov wrote that Kornilov in the spring of 1915
    "already in the 3rd Army, in the spring of 1915, when Mackensen attacked this army, he did not follow the order, was surrounded and surrendered with his division."

    This is confirmed in his memoirs by the former Minister of War of the Provisional Government A.I. Verkhovsky:
    "Kornilov himself with a group of staff officers fled to the mountains, but a few days later, hungry, went downstairs and was captured by the Austrian detachment."

    It should be noted that the escape of Kornilov after a year and three months of being in captivity in the second half of 1916 did not resemble heroism. While in the Austrian infirmary due to a minor wound, Kornilov bribed the paramedic and left Austria-Hungary without any problems.

    About his attitude to subordinates:
    Kornilov was "heavily guilty of the excessively shed blood of soldiers and officers." (General Brusilov about Kornilov).
    At the same time, Brusilov admitted:
    "Meanwhile, the officers and soldiers loved him and believed him. True, he did not spare himself, he was personally brave and climbed forward, outlining his head."
    Attitude to the king.
    Brusilov wrote: “Having escaped from captivity, he (Kornilov) appeared at Headquarters and was accepted by the tsar. I don’t know what he was telling him, but ended up being awarded the Order of George of the 3rd degree and he was appointed commander, it seems 25th Corps on my front. "
    Nevertheless
    On March 8, Kornilov, on the orders of Minister of War Guchkov, arrested all members of the royal family, including the young princesses and the sick prince Alexei.

    But he could refuse - after all, a general, not an ordinary. Brusilov’s orders were not afraid to break.
    Kornilov, although he was appointed king by the commander of the district, and before that he had been kindly received and received George, met with approval the February Revolution of 1917 and the coming to power of the Provisional Government. He then said: "The old has collapsed! The people are building a new building of freedom, and the task of the people's army is to fully support the new government in its difficult, creative work."

    The statement of General Kornilov to Prince Lvov is known: "In any case, the Romanovs will ascend the throne only through my corpse." The antimonarchism of the future candidate for dictatorships is a well-known historical fact.
    Well, Kornilov’s career rise in mid-1917
    British Ambassador to Russia Buchanan:
    "All my sympathies were on the side of Kornilov ... Kornilov is a much stronger person than Kerensky."

    Later in his memoirs A.F. Kerensky wrote:
    “It was only at the end of 1936 that the role played by the Petrograd financiers in the preparation of the Kornilov rebellion fully became clear. "decided to transfer to Kornilov four million rubles (that is, when Kornilov headed the Petrograd Military District) it was at this time that the start of concrete preparations for the coup d'etat.

    The following should be noted:
    On August 20, Riga fell. The next day, Kornilov, who was at Headquarters, talked with the Chief Prosecutor of the Holy Synod, Vladimir Lvov, who was on his way to Kerensky.
    Lvov told Kornilov: "Since it is a matter of military dictatorship, then who is to be a dictator, if not for you?" Kornilov replied: “In any case, the Romanovs will only ascend the throne through my corpse. When power is only handed over, I will constitute an office. I don’t believe Kerensky anymore ... However, I can offer Kerensky a portfolio of the Minister of Justice.”

    Then orderly Kornilova Zavoyko entered the office. According to Lvov, he "interrupted the Supreme Commander-in-Chief and said in an instructive tone, as the student was told: "No, no, not the Minister of Justice, but the Deputy Chairman of the Council of Ministers."

    Lvov recalled that he "looked at either Kornilov or the orderly in surprise, Kornilov looked embarrassed," So will you order me to tell Kerensky all this? I asked Kornilov. Zavoyko answered: "Of course, of course, the legitimate continuity of power is important."

    Zavoyko invited Lvov to his office, where there was already a certain Dobrovolsky and a certain professor Yakovlev.
    There Zavoyko wrote the words on a piece of paper: "Kerensky - Deputy Chairman of the Council of Ministers." This was followed by the names of other members of the government. With these papers, Lviv went to Petrograd.
    This is when the orderly dictates to the commander - the dictator, the head of the Government, whom and by whom to appoint in the new Government?
    Whose sympathies were on whose side?
    1. Fisher martin
      Fisher martin April 13 2018 12: 25
      +7
      Hey Olgovich? Where are you? Go refute historical facts. And you still write that the Russian army did not surrender Poland, the Baltic states.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich April 13 2018 14: 49
        +2
        Quote: Fisher Martin
        Hey Olgovich? Where are you? Go refute historical facts. And you still write that the Russian army did not surrender Poland, the Baltic states.

        You would know the history of the holiday on February 23. fights were under NARVA which the Bolsheviks surrendered, shamefully fleeing. Narva is the Baltic. Are you non-Russian that you don’t even cry? belay : lol
        There is nothing to refute:. VAI just stolen someone else's article, which is prohibited by the rules:
        Essentially: Brusilov, who remained with the Bolsheviks, became a puppet puppet in their hands, and that no one would even recognize who wrote there. But knowing the wildest censorship of the Bolsheviks. I am sure that he wrote (if he) what the spiteless, unhappy old man will say.
        The reference to Verkhovsky is simply ridiculous: it was he who opposed the Kornilovsky speech — WHAT could he write good about him? He also wrote under the dictation of the Bolsheviks. As he knocked on colleagues.
        It did not help, the Bolshevik "benefactors" soon slapped the guide. Which he deserved.
        Same with Kerensky ..
        You are not fond of agitation (stolen article of the IAI), but the primary sources, memoirs. And not the people sitting on the fly.
        1. Fisher martin
          Fisher martin April 13 2018 15: 11
          +7
          Ah my friend you have a hysteria, you are already starting to rave. My friend, I advise you to go to Karlovy Vary. Or better yet, Mineralnye Vody. Hold the domestic manufacturer, for one and nerves treat. History is not for you. You have a roof blowing away from a white uniform. laughing laughing laughing laughing
        2. Conserp
          Conserp April 13 2018 16: 33
          +5
          The predictable and expected next bucket of Nazi slops from NTSovtsa.

          Quote: Olgovich
          You are not fond of agitation (stolen article of the IAI), but the primary sources, memoirs.

          This is such an opportunity - we take any memoir or diary from a white-immigrant author who was not caught in a systematic lie and did not serve the Nazis, and the same thing is everywhere: "the Bolsheviks were right," "the Bolsheviks saved Russia."

          But specialists in the purity of German boots are not interested in such memoirs.
        3. saigon
          saigon April 13 2018 17: 23
          +6
          Mr. Olgovich was arrested by the Tsar General Kornilov or not?
        4. BAI
          BAI April 13 2018 19: 07
          +5
          There is nothing to refute:. WAI just stole someone else's article, which is prohibited by the rules

          Well, since there are essentially no objections (apart from the usual unfounded allegations), I consider these words a confirmation of my innocence.
          By the way, the design of the site allows you to visually (even think no need) to determine the presence of quotes, which I do not hide.
          If my whimsical insertions between the quotations, in your opinion, have given the text the appearance of a logically connected, finished article, I thank you for the high appreciation of my work.
          PS. I have no doubt for a second that the recollections of General Brusilov are much more reliable than the "recollections" of the so dear lieutenant (or ensign) Sinegub about the murdered and raped drummers in Zimny.
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn April 13 2018 16: 30
      +2
      Quote: BAI
      Lvov told Kornilov: "Since it is a matter of military dictatorship, then who will be a dictator, if not for you?" Kornilov replied: “In any case, the Romanovs will ascend the throne only through my corpse. When the power is only transferred, I will constitute the cabinet. I do not believe Kerensky anymore ... However, I can offer Kerensky the portfolio of the Minister of Justice”

      Serge 65 certainly read fellow
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 April 14 2018 07: 44
        +1
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        Serge 65 certainly read

        laughing My dear, did you want to surprise me with this quote ????
        In the heat of ideological struggle, you did not even bother to understand my comments!
        For me, there is no difference between white and red, each of them has their skeletons in the closets, but this is the story of my homeland and this story should be true, and not taken out of context for the sake of anyone's ideology!
        Here Olgovich says
        Quote: Olgovich
        Right are those whose Flag flies over the Kremlin today!

        But I cannot recognize as right Guchkov, Ryabushinsky, Shulgin, Nikolai Nikolayevich Jr., Kerensky! After all, they plunged Russia into the abyss!
        Also, I cannot recognize Lenin, Trotsky, Mikoyan, Goloshchekin as right (this is probably more for Little October than for regicide)! After all, they have a lot of innocent blood!
        But I accept this as a fait accompli in the history of my Motherland and nothing more!
        Here to read, but not to read here, here we wrapped fish, this is not about me!
        hi
  9. urman
    urman April 13 2018 13: 32
    0
    It begins, we did not live at that time and it is not for us to judge those times.
    I would see how the current critics would behave in that wreck.
    And interestingly, the former officers of the USSR Armed Forces are the most angry.
    In the first 91, most of them waited, forgetting the oath, how it would end and when they would pay, salaries and pensions.
    That anger is inflamed on those officers who may have been mistaken, well, they did something, and did not sit in military uniforms under the skirts of their wives.
    The party elite betrayed the country. Well, you are not gentlemen or comrades, you also betrayed the country and you forgot the oath. Here it flushes you. From anger.
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  11. iouris
    iouris April 13 2018 14: 49
    +1
    It’s good that it’s not an amphibian man. The main lesson that gives life and the extraordinary adventures of Russian and Soviet generals is that careerism at crucial moments in the state entails a violation of the oath, the death of the state and the death of the army.
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  13. Conserp
    Conserp April 13 2018 16: 16
    +5
    Lavr Georgievich Kornilov was an outstanding, iconic personality. The finale of his life - participation in the Civil War as commander in chief of the Volunteer Army - led to the fact that all the past merits of Lavr Georgievich were forgotten.

    Andrei Andreyevich Vlasov was also an outstanding general with all sorts of military merits.

    And then he also became a traitor, he also fought against his own people, in view of which his past achievements were also forgotten.

    Let's cry about the poor things.
  14. Yak28
    Yak28 April 13 2018 18: 29
    +4
    Why did the majority of the army side with the Bolsheviks, did the generals not think about it? Kornilov, Denikin, the stupid Tsar Nikolai who allowed the collapse of the Russian Empire, enemies and traitors like Gorbachev, Yeltsin, special services and the military leadership of those years.
  15. shuravi
    shuravi April 13 2018 18: 47
    +5
    Quote: Serg65
    what who at that time had to shoot? They betrayed the country, yes, yes, yes .... what do you think the officers in 91 should have done?


    Time machines have not yet been invented. Neither now nor then.
    What were the facts in 1991 in those days? After all, there was no question of whether or not to be the USSR. There was a conspiracy, as it were, against the Soviet leadership.
    This is only then we realized how we were divorced.
    If they had known, they would have carried out not only the EBN itself, but just in case everything is within a kilometer radius.
    1. Conserp
      Conserp April 13 2018 23: 57
      +2
      Quote: shuravi
      Time machines have not yet been invented.

      Come on you.
      How then did the ghouls from the NKVD shoot the Poles in the spring of 1940 with the help of German bullets of 1941? The cartridges that the Germans had not even begun to develop in the spring of 1940 ?!

      Tales that Stalin did not have a time machine, tell the children!
    2. Serg65
      Serg65 April 14 2018 08: 03
      +2
      Quote: shuravi
      There was a conspiracy, as it were, against the Soviet leadership.

      The conspiracy was against the Soviet people, and the whole top of the CPSU was at the head of the conspiracy, and this conspiracy began immediately after the death of Stalin1
      My comment was deleted, and God bless him, I’m talking about something else. Compare the situation with the army in 16-17. and at the end of the 80's, the actions of the conspirators are just like a one-to-one carbon copy!
      Discrediting the army, the suggestion of the insolvency of the highest ranks of the army, powerful pressure on the army through the media, involving the army in police functions against its people. In both 17 and 91, all these actions led to the success of conspiracies in fact against the people!
      hi
      1. Conserp
        Conserp April 14 2018 11: 35
        +3
        Quote: Serg65
        Defamation of the army, suggestion of the insolvency of the highest ranks of the army

        In 1916-17, this was not "discredit," but pure truth.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 April 14 2018 11: 50
          +1
          Quote: Conserp
          In 1916-17, it was not "discredit," but pure truth

          Really what? Are the German spies officers, or is the fact that the tsarina directs messages from Wilhelm’s bedroom? What is the truth?
          1. Conserp
            Conserp April 14 2018 18: 21
            +1
            The truth is the complete failure of the highest ranks of the army.

            And the distortions and crystal-Russophobic tantrums are not interesting to me.
  16. urman
    urman April 13 2018 19: 35
    0
    Quote: shuravi
    If they had known, they would have carried out not only the EBN itself, but just in case everything is within a kilometer radius.

    In 93, the Supreme Council did not shoot aliens from tanks.
    Who needs to have already shown their rat nature.
  17. shuravi
    shuravi April 13 2018 20: 40
    +3
    Quote: urman
    Quote: shuravi
    If they had known, they would have carried out not only the EBN itself, but just in case everything is within a kilometer radius.

    In 93, the Supreme Council did not shoot aliens from tanks.
    Who needs to have already shown their rat nature.



    Do you understand the difference between the mercenaries who shot the Supreme Council and regret about the missed opportunity to crush liberalism in the bud?
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 April 14 2018 08: 09
      +2
      Quote: shuravi
      Do you understand the difference ........?

      My friend Vladimir, you still do not understand, this is the return of the 17 and 91 year! The whole meaning of the words of Urman comes down to one thing, the officers do nothing more than stealing, drinking and betraying, and why are they for us? Throw off the pink glasses and look around, everything is back to square one! Even just to ponder over the comments for this article, a couple of trolls appeared and srach, and it started off over the bumps, but why? what
  18. shuravi
    shuravi April 14 2018 09: 17
    +2
    Quote: Serg65
    Quote: shuravi
    Do you understand the difference ........?

    My friend Vladimir, you still do not understand, this is the return of the 17 and 91 year! The whole meaning of the words of Urman comes down to one thing, the officers do nothing more than stealing, drinking and betraying, and why are they for us? Throw off the pink glasses and look around, everything is back to square one! Even just to ponder over the comments for this article, a couple of trolls appeared and srach, and it started off over the bumps, but why? what



    I talked about something else. Then, in August, 1991 at the Klokovo airfield (Tula) was on alert for 16 Mi-24. Combat charge of BC No. 2 (4хПТУР + 80хНАР С-8 + 250 shells 30 mm Mi-24P, or 1470 cartridges 12,7 mm Mi-24В).
    The crews were nearby, in the engineering house. Personal weapons were received too.
    But what did we know then to make an independent decision? Never mind. Despite the fact that the situation itself endured the brain.
    Only one desire was to make it all work out.
    This is only later, in Chechnya we realized what chance we missed.

    As for your fears, it’s “late to drink Borjomi”. In the period from 1991-2013, the armed forces were cleared of officers from the Soviet school.
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 April 14 2018 12: 01
      +1
      Quote: shuravi
      Then, in August 1991

      Then, in August of 91, I was in combat in Middle-earth, and when I arrived home I learned a lot of interesting things about Gorbochev’s “arrest”, when I found out I asked the political leader ... of course you sang us songs about the villains who captured a good boy, he lowered his eyes and didn’t leave without saying a word!
      Quote: shuravi
      In the period from 1991-2013, the armed forces were cleared of officers from the Soviet school.

      After the "prisoner "’s happy return to Moscow, the infamous Gdlyan came to Sevastopol, criminal cases were opened in batches, imprisoned and removed from office both right and wrong!
  19. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh April 16 2018 10: 13
    0
    He was a brave man, but a weak commander.
    This is evident both from his experience of the Great War and from the Civil War.
    The troops under his command accomplished feats and
    always suffered severe defeats.