Telegram will be blocked after the court decision

The representative of Roskomnadzor said that Telegram will be immediately blocked if the agency wins the case against the company, reports RIA News.

When the court decision is made, it will be brought to immediate execution in the case of the satisfaction of our petition,

said the representative in the Tagansky court of the capital.

Earlier, the department filed a lawsuit in court demanding to block Telegram because of the failure of the messenger to provide the FSB with encryption keys. Lawyers for the company are preparing objections.

The merits of the case will begin on April 13. On Thursday passed the stage of pre-trial preparation. Telegram representatives did not show up.

Lawyers of the company claim that "the requirements of the FSB are impracticable for technical reasons - because of the architecture of the messenger." At the same time, Telegram owner Pavel Durov, responding to the demand to provide the keys, said that he was in favor of "freedom of speech and privacy."

Recall that at the end of June the messenger was also on the verge of blocking due to the refusal to provide Roskomnadzor with “information for entering into the register of information dissemination organizers”. However, later, after a public discussion, he still gave the registration data of the company.

Comments

[bogart047]

there is nothing to share secrets with demi moore)) Only with our FSB

[vkl.47]

We got the telegram with it. Close it at last and it’s the end

[Hort]

What prevents you from telegrams?

[Beltasir matyagu]

The fact that in Russia there is a de facto publicly available means for conspiratorial communication. In bad hands, you can coordinate explosions and arson, through it you can sell drugs, etc. And it is illegal

[Daniel]

They gathered to block only tomorrow, and today they spammed the entire tape with guides on how to bypass this lock in the 3 click and use the cart further, as if nothing had happened.
The floor of the Internet is blocked, and the prohibition both worked and works.

Quote: Beltasir Matyagu

The fact that in Russia there is a de facto publicly available means for conspiratorial communication. In bad hands, you can coordinate explosions and arson, through it you can sell drugs, etc. And it is illegal

These "conserved funds" - do not count. Telegrams in this area are not the first, not the last and far from the best. Take the same xmpp networks and encryption using OTR, PGP / GPG ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Beltasir Matyagu

de facto there is a publicly available means for conspiratorial communication

it’s like with a ban on weapons, whoever needs to use law-abiding hemorrhoids without any problems, well, they blocked (like) sites and that, through a proxy, you calmly go to them, the same from telegrams.
there are no other problems, then cowards and ballet shoes now

[gromoboj]

Yeah, but you can still do this with other programs.
And prohibit the use of anything smother.
Nobody canceled PGP encryption so villains can sleep peacefully =)
http://www.spy-soft.net/wp-content/uploads/Gnu-Pr
ivacy-Guard.jpg
Rejoice, with great strides we go to the Internet of North Korea.

And yet, you can forbid anything, but as a telegram I have used it and will continue. And the inability of the state to do anything, even to fulfill its idiotic decisions, undermines its credibility.

And hamsters can enjoy another victory. But the terrorists will not disappear from this.

[Sharky]

We got the telegram with it. Close it at last and it’s the end

Of course let them close! Only immediately after the borehole is banned, a traumatic weapon. A little thing - no, no, only in dreams! Fans pofapat on the permission of the "short barrels" (that would pick up the minuses, with the old forum rules ) generally send everyone to Siberia - to fell trees, that ! Because, a man with a weapon in his hands is many times more dangerous than someone who is chatting in a telegram with a girlfriend or wife. And do not have a barrel organ about terrorists. What prevents them from chatting through VPN mailboxes, how will they close the telegrams? Indeed, it is clear to a fool that by banning telegrams the number of terrorists will not decrease.

[Benjamin Gnomes]

Quote: vkl.47

We got the telegram with it. Close it at last and it’s the end

[Slovak]

Americans bang him and declare it a revenge of Russia

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: vkl.47

We got the telegram with it. Close it at last and it’s the end

and what did he bother you with?
already got these stupid solutions for locking and closing, it all costs one or two, only the problems create the settings

[gromoboj]

It's only the beginning. I feel soon they will do with us cheburnet like sowing. Korea. This is the dream of our political elite. So that no one could utter a word.

[gromoboj]

Went completely crazy =)

[Sam_gosling]

But the constitution is ...

[Nasrat]

written on the basis of a court decision ...

[Sam_gosling]

There was no court decision against me, but I cannot keep the secret of correspondence.

[sogdy]

Quote: Sam_gosling

but I can’t keep the secret of correspondence.

How is that?

[Sam_gosling]

Well, let's say I want to write to my grandfather’s village about what I want to buy from him, let's say a decent portion of pickled village moonshine (only shhh ) How can I do this without substituting the poor grandfather for the sale of alcohol without permission? All correspondence, conversations, etc., through the opsos are read by SORM equipment, the Viber, WhatsApp and their messengers are not protected, social networks are under the hood. (Situations in life are different and I know that the example is idiotic, but still).

[sogdy]

A letter is not kosher?

[Sam_gosling]

By Russian Post? Acutely, overseas . Then by pigeon mail, the 21st century in the yard all the same.

[210ox]

He has an advanced grandfather .. He only communicates on a watsap .. He’s probably not even kosher on Skype.

Quote: sogdy

A letter is not kosher?

[sogdy]

Recently I read you with pleasure! But do not get arrogant ...

[Simargl]

Quote: Sam_gosling

How can I do this without substituting the poor grandfather for the sale of alcohol without permission?

Who is stopping local encryption?

[svd-xnumx]

Well, let's say I want to write to my grandfather’s village about what I want to buy from him, let's say a decent portion of pickled village moonshine (only shhh

So, according to the law, the sale of moonshine is illegal, a reasonable person would ask grandfather to send jam (or another conditional definition) as a gift and add that he will thank him. And I do not think that the word moonshine is the one to which the SORM equipment will respond.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Sam_gosling

There was no court decision against me, but I cannot keep the secret of correspondence.

When the terrorists blow up your house, you will resent loudly - where the FSB looked and why you didn’t prevent it. For example, I have nothing to hide from the FSB, and I take this calmly.

[Sam_gosling]

Let’s then introduce the institute of squealing on a legal basis, we will go with transparent suitcases and satchels, make friends and acquaintances only after checking them in the Ministry of Internal Affairs database (or you never know), and we will report back to the grandmother on the left meager income from renting a grandmother fns. And then suddenly your house will be blown up, but the FSB has no money. That howl will be ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: Sam_gosling

Let’s then introduce the institute of squealing

Write about the bloody gebnya, thanks to which no one has heard of terrorist attacks in the USSR.

[Sam_gosling]

They did not hear about the attacks in the USSR because of the closeness of all possible sources of information. They didn’t hear about Chernobyl, the ejection at the lighthouse, the accident at the apl in my native Nizhny Novgorod. We all know that silence is a pleasant twilight
Well, yes, of course there were no terrorist attacks in the USSR ... Like sex
https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Серия_терактов_в_
Moscow_ (1977)
https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Теракты,_совершён
n_ in_Russia

[Sam_gosling]

And most importantly, we bring the laws to the state of the real state of things and we will not let dust in our eyes. The 36 year constitution was also the most democratic in the world at that time, but in fact ...

[Alex_T]

Those who need to be encrypted have long been using their slang terminology that is understandable only to a close circle. Open text about "bombs" and "jihad" will be written only by fools-amateurs.

[gromoboj]

When the "terrorists" blew up the houses en masse, there was no telegram, as they coped

[Stas157]

Quote: Nasr

written on the basis of a court decision ...

On the fence is also written! If you are so naive that you think that our holiest bodies in the world, having the opportunity to listen to something without a court decision, will never take advantage of this, this does not mean that others should think so! I don’t believe either the cops or the court (life taught!). And I do not want other people to read my correspondence, even if they are in uniform.
Three years ago, my friend listened to the cops, both the cell phone and the house, too. Including my conversations with him. They didn’t need any court decision.

[Nasrat]

how much have "closed" brother? And you got off easy! Didn't the drugs toss? How many times a day were taken out of the cell for interrogation?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Stas157

Three years ago my friend listened to cops

Apparently there were reasons.

[seti]

Quote: Sam_gosling

But the constitution is ...

Will be - there will be a court decision, so that’s all by definition. All by concepts.
Yes, for a long time it is necessary to block it - or what is allowed to Jupiter is not allowed to a bull?

[Sam_gosling]

If you read the disposition of the indicated norm, then the restriction may fall on a limited circle of subjects or specific individuals. It turns out that all You can read, quote and drag to court for petty nasty things. Orwell and Bradberry roll over in their grave.

[bogart047]

keys will be used only by court order for specific people. That is, the fact that Apple, Microsoft and Gogul read your messages is normal? But as the FSB wanted, so immediately the guard ...

[Sam_gosling]

Dear, I recommend that you familiarize yourself with the current legal doctrine adopted in the Russian Federation. According to Article 64 of the Federal Law "On Communications", the authorities carrying out the ARD have access to information constituting a communications secret, correspondence, etc. without judgment. Such bodies include the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Federal Security Service, customs, the Federal Security Service, etc.
https://base.garant.ru/10104229/4d6cc5b8235f826b2
c67847b967f8695 / # friends

[KERMET]

So I did not understand, our constitution has the highest priority over laws or what?

[Sam_gosling]

You got it right. However, for me, no one can oblige to limit constitutional rights unlimited circle of citizens. It is one thing when the FSB and others like them ask for specific information from a telegram in correspondence about specific people, even if they are suspected of committing acts of terror (as has already been done many times, both here and over the hill). But then the situation takes on a different turn. Siloviki want to read by default любые messages from all persons without exception, which, for me, creates a certain imbalance in the legal structure and directly infringes all citizens who use the telegram. All this is nurtured in an explosive mixture of laziness and the desire to possess all the levers of pressure concentrated in one hand.

[sogdy]

Quote: Sam_gosling

If you read the disposition of this norm, then the restriction may fall on a limited circle of subjects

Quote: Sam_gosling

read the current legal doctrine

Interesting expressions. Either praised, or sent.

Quote: Sam_gosling

authorities carrying out an ARD have access to information constituting a secret of communication, correspondence, etc., without a court decision. Such bodies include the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Federal Security Service, customs, the Federal Security Service, etc.

That is, supervisory authorities. There is still an oversight procedure. What do you disagree with?

[forty-eighth]

bodies carrying out an ARD (operational-search activity), these are not supervisory bodies. And to the order of supervision they have nothing to do.

[sogdy]

Quote: forty-eighth

search

No comment.
Hordes are carried out by specialized subdivisions, but not organs. And only within their profile. You won’t call Stroynadzor search. But the search is carried out, within the profile.

[forty-eighth]

State construction supervision is not involved in the search. It has neither the rights nor the authority. Go learn the laws. You confuse control and supervisory activity with the operational-search activity.

[sogdy]

Familiarize yourself with the functions and order of execution. Knowledge of job responsibilities also does not hurt. No need to carry a blizzard. The search is only part of the surveillance. Moreover, the necessary part. The search itself contradicts the principles of statehood, because it turns into a racket tool.

[forty-eighth]

The search is NOT part of surveillance. This is utter selective fever delirium.
The law enforcement agencies are engaged in operational-search activities, and the executive authorities are engaged in control and supervisory activities. And they are clearly delineated. Law 144-FZ governs the ARD, Law 294-FZ governs KND. No body is authorized to deal with both the ARD and the CPV at the same time. No need to carry a blizzard.

[Sam_gosling]

Dear, the list of ministries and departments for the commission of the ARD is limited by law and cannot be expanded.

[sogdy]

Quote: Sam_gosling

the list of ministries and departments for the execution of the ARD is limited by law

Quote: sogdy

You can’t call it wanted. But the search is carried out, within the profile.

No contradictions.
By the way, censorship is a supervisory action.

[Sam_gosling]

I even gave a link to the law on the ARD. Everything is written there in Russian, albeit with "interesting expressions," as you say.

[sogdy]

“In the territory of the Russian Federation, the right to carry out operational investigative activities is granted to operational units” (c) - read about operational units, the grounds for their activities. And most of your boyars will disappear. But - new ones will appear.

[Sam_gosling]

sogdyaccording to Art. 6 of the same federal law on hordes, perusal (brrr throws into trembling) are measures within the framework of a specific legally significant action, namely the search. Surveillance is a broader concept and is not applicable in the context of wiretapping / viewing correspondence.

[sogdy]

As already mentioned (and this is from the textbook), the search is an integral part of supervision. An order on the basis of an order on supervisory activity (for example, execution of a regime), if this activity allows, you will even be allocated a group. The only question is - are you worth the cost?

[seti]

This is a national security issue right? Our partners have long been like Our Father ..)) So here we are in the wake and do not need to lament for the fact that we infringed on someone.
I completely agree with our FSB.

[Sam_gosling]

Which of your partners? IPhones of terrorists who cut dozens of Americans at a time and they break the FBI only after a court decision. Even in Iran, the local ayatollahs clenched their fists and agreed with Durov.

[Alex_59]

Quote: seti

Will be - there will be a court decision, so that’s all by definition. All by concepts.

Yes, there were already these court decisions. And more than once. In relation to torrent trackers, rutracker and other. Very serious such decisions are judicial. ))))))))))))
Only who wanted to use these resources will continue to use it. )))))))))))
Therefore, I somehow do not worry about Telegram. It will be banned, a decision will be made, and whoever wanted it will continue to use it. Let the entire Internet be banned. Yes, even the sun with the moon will be canceled by their court decisions. This has little effect on reality, I think Durov will cope with it.

[Sam_gosling]

Telegrams are difficult to transfer to work through the ex. Speed ​​and quality will suffer greatly.

[Alex_59]

Quote: Sam_gosling

Telegrams are difficult to transfer to work through the ex.

Come up with a che-thread.

Quote: Sam_gosling

Speed ​​and quality will suffer greatly.

Freedom requires certain sacrifices.

[Simargl]

Quote: seti

Yes, for a long time it is necessary to block it - or what is allowed to Jupiter is not allowed to a bull?

I just don’t understand: torrents and Lurk blocked before the trial, and here they’re waiting for something

[Nix1986]

They put big and thick on this document more than once and will continue to put it.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Sam_gosling

But the constitution is ...

if anything, then ... didn’t completely try to read the Constitution ??? or at least articles next to those to which you refer !!!

Article 17

1. In the Russian Federation, human and civil rights and freedoms are recognized and guaranteed in accordance with generally accepted principles and norms of international law and in accordance with this Constitution.
2. Fundamental human rights and freedoms are inalienable and belong to everyone from birth.
3. The exercise of the rights and freedoms of a person and citizen must not violate the rights and freedoms of others.

[dog breeder]

The trickier the messenger, the deeper the pool!

[Orionvit]

Lawyers of the company prepare objections.

And right there

On Thursday, the pre-trial preparation phase took place. Telegram representatives did not attend

Ahrenet. They learned from the English. What kind of court is there, the main thing is to make the “face of the brick” and shout louder for “freedom of speech and privacy”. Close nafig.

[zhekazs]

In a word Durov. I would quietly merge information into the FSB and live calmly like Zuckerburg ...

[forty-eighth]

I think he doesn’t complain

[Hort]

And with what fright should he do it?

[zhekazs]

Quote: hort

And with what fright should he do it?

With the same fright as Zucker does, only this one began his Internet project with the filing of the NSA. And why can’t our FSB bring Durov a “fright”? Let him share information of special services of interest, as do the same OPSOSy.

[gaura]

I think Durov is not a random person at all. These keys can already be transferred to the same CIA, FBI and so on. Because the guys there generally consider the whole world to be their yard, and not consonants are caught. Durov is free, so his messenger is also controlled by them. And here we breed snot can or not

[forty-eighth]

What keys can already be transferred to? Do you even have an idea about the subject of conversation?

[zhekazs]

Stop. As I understand it, this Telegram is in the .com zone, which means

Quote: gaura

These keys can already be transferred to the same CIA, FBI and so on.

access to the resource from the above-mentioned enemy organizations is ALREADY available. And the FSB wants to monitor Telegram traffic through our networks. So it turns out?

[forty-eighth]

Telegram uses end-to-end encryption. You can access correspondence not with mythical “encryption keys”, but through the introduction of intermediary software. The so-called man-in-the-middle (mitm), which will decrypt traffic, re-encrypt and transmit further. There are no other ways. And this mitm itself entails so many bunts, in particular vulnerabilities (since it is essentially an attack on vulnerability) that the real beneficiaries are hackers, not the FSB.
As for the FBI, they could get access in exactly this way and no more. Whether they have already done this or not, this is what Durov alone knows. As a fact, they did not make of this hype with the courts and correspondence.

[gaura]

I can’t imagine what it’s about, there’s no time to delve into all the judicial showdowns. But I won’t believe that the NSA, which monitors everything and everything, including the European presidents and the Chancellor, left an unmonitored channel.

[seti]

Quote: gaura

I think Durov is not a random person at all. These keys can already be transferred to the same CIA, FBI and so on. Because the guys there generally consider the whole world to be their yard, and not consonants are caught. Durov is free, so his messenger is also controlled by them. And here we breed snot can or not

That's it - a competent comment and to the point. It's funny to read other comments especially Sam_gosling. Also a tragedy for me. And then supposedly did not read your correspondence? If they want to read it - the problem is that to present it in court if you say something there so far has not been possible.

[Sam_gosling]

I recommend that you watch a funny video from spiritless, thrice-decaying and living among 45 (!) Types of gay Englishmen who have a little troll DG

[Simargl]

Quote: zhekazs

I would quietly merge information into the FSB and live calmly like Zuckerburg ...

So he merges (into quiet?) Information ... CIA ... and lives quietly, like Zuckerberg ...

[Hort]

Yes, just a pashka bakshish does not want to share, apparently.
Given the technical capabilities of modern tracking and wiretapping tools, ANY smartphone / tablet can be listened to or turned into a tracking device. And all these dances around the telegram blocking - so ... revealing flogging

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

Who said he didn’t share the keys ?!

[alekc75]

do you earn a clown?

[Sam_gosling]

If the question cannot be resolved rationally, it is necessary to bring the situation to absurdity.

[KERMET]

If it is "blocked" in the same way as a rutreker, then I do not mind

[Alex_59]

Quote: KERMET

If it is "blocked" in the same way as a rutreker, then I do not mind

Rutreker? Blocked?
Ahahahahahahahahahhhhahahha))))))))))))))))))))

[KERMET]

And you didn’t know ?!

[Alex_59]

Quote: KERMET

And you didn’t know ?!

Nope, I used it and use it.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Alex_59

Nope, I used it and use it.

Well, for the sake of truth, it’s not exactly how they used it, you must agree that now you bypass the lock and before you went to the direct

[Sam_gosling]

Reminded ...

[Maalkavianin]

Yes, let them block. Nafig he is not needed.

[Voyager]

Someone does not need, someone needs. The fact that Telegram is now the most convenient and perfect means for communicating and transmitting various information is a fact. Fast and efficient. I personally use it and am satisfied, and I will be sorry if it is blocked, because the analogs work much worse.

It would be better if they cut out the function of secret chats from it and that's it.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Malkavianin

Yes, let them block. Nafig he is not needed.

you don’t need it and I keep in touch with clients through it

[Maalkavianin]

Now you will communicate through something else.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

that is, the problem was not created by extremists, but I still feel uncomfortable through something else, I put telegrams on someone and there are no problems, others have tight bindings to the smartphone that does not suit me

[Maalkavianin]

Write to the FSB. Tell us about your inconvenience. Perhaps they will write some sort of their own, convenient FSB-shny Telegram. They definitely have software developers. You will communicate through it. By the way, quite a good idea. Everything will be certified, approved.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

sometimes it’s better to keep silent, marry a smart
Telegram ban top idiocy, all they got is that I lost 20 minutes to reconfigure

[Maalkavianin]

Your losses are your problems. You are obviously not writing from your mind with your plaintive comments about how you feel bad without a Telegram.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Excuse me, what are you doing on your computer?

[Thunderbolt]

It would be nice to get the keys and continue the judicial red tape --- let the criminal think that this is a safe channel ...

[Clueless]

Gentlemen, who let him block him, and what part of your body do you think? Obviously not the brain. The points:
1. Violation of the constitution on the person (privacy of correspondence).
2. Abuse of local authority
You are doing business, everything is fine with you, communicating with your colleagues via telegram (or another messenger), and at this time a smart security officer will merge your correspondence with your competitors.
Won't that be? ;) Yeah, of course it will not, as there is no wiretapping of the phone without trial, email, etc.

You are so naive that you think that all this is done to protect against terrorists. Do you think it’s difficult to get an encrypted channel for communication between them? Many corporations have their own messengers with encryption, something is in the public domain, etc.

And then they wonder where the FSB officers are so rich :))

And most importantly - it will hurt the business, for knowing all this mess with wiretapping, how to deal with partners? That business went offshore, so that it was more difficult to select a business (this is the primary reason, and not taxes, watch less TV), now for a business to succeed, it will still have to switch to its closed communication systems.

And once again there will be a nagging - why is it not who does not want to invest in Russia, or to work with Russian companies.

Do you want me to summarize all these prohibitions? I’ll tell you about Internet control? Over the next 3 years, we will lose almost all sensible IT specialists, scientists in the market, because they do not want to work in such conditions, what is North Korea, we know, and they will not live in it.

It's a shame that for many in power, and the greed of the security forces, we will ultimately be completely behind in technology from other states :(

[Nix1986]

This is the cimez, if it were so, access is given to a robot that controls the correspondence of people according to a certain algorithm (banal search for the content of certain words, images) and only if the robot finds something suspicious, then a request is made for a court decision to open the correspondence of this person and only after that an individual (read FSB officer) has the right to read correspondence. And so there is an option that it will be espionage on order for grandmas.

[Sam_gosling]

Hmmm, BSTM employees will disagree with you. In fact, no one restricts access to the same people, but already in uniform, like you and me, go into your personal correspondence, neigh with it and look at your photos. Agree, unpleasant after all?

[sogdy]

As if I had already warned: wherever I go, the curators have the right to control.
And what will you do with it?
Like in that demotivator: "Here I am the CAT. And what have you achieved?"
And I'm not the only one ...

[Nix1986]

That's why I say that the primary control is on the robot, and if he just found the phrase "blow up the Kremlin" there is a judicial request to open correspondence and view its contents. In that order, I am ready to open my correspondence. Here the interests of public good prevail over my private secret. And just to open the jamb, the ananist wanted to burn the correspondence of a thread of a young lady, I used my key and that’s it. That last should not be. Only through special permission and only in the case, as is the case with wiretapping, etc.

[Sam_gosling]

It should not. Where else would it be described. Why are we put in the "endured" position? I have a classmate with the last name Putin , so we’re even afraid of joking with him on the net or in correspondence.

[forty-eighth]

Quote: Nix1986

a robot that controls the correspondence of people according to a certain algorithm (banal search for the content of certain words

"Ahmet, bring this bomb to the Semyonovsky Wedding Palace in Ensk on May XNUMX, two thousand and eighteen." Do you imagine the correspondence of terrorists?
And what kind of robot would find suspicious correspondence like "mother-in-law baked pies, I’ll take you to our place as agreed"?

[sogdy]

Quote: Bad

we will ultimately finally lag behind in technology from other states :(

What time! Due to the blocking of a foreign agent that fundamentally violates the law ?! Or are you so worried about _ego_ rights out of solidarity?

[sogdy]

Quote: forty-eighth

No body is authorized to deal with both the ARD and the CPV at the same time.

You just delight me! Ministry of Internal Affairs, FSB? And yes, how so "at the same time", if different units?
Really, you somewhere have missed something and are confused in terminology.
I will repeat for you the beginning of 144FZ p.13 “On the territory of the Russian Federation, the right to carry out operational investigative activities is granted to operational units” - the key _divisions_. The ODS do not execute, only specially allocated units based on the execution order (structure, order of issuing orders, responsibility, plans -graphics, finally, even the order of watering flowers and painting lawns).

[forty-eighth]

As I’m talking to the wall ... Have you ever opened 144-fz?
Especially for you, I quote the definition from the law:
Detective-search activity is a type of activity carried out publicly and behind the scenes by the operational units of state bodies authorized by this Federal Law (hereinafter referred to as “the bodies carrying out operational-search activity”), within their powers, by conducting operational-search measures in order to protect life, health, rights and freedoms of man and citizen, property, ensuring the safety of society and the state from criminal attacks.
And here is the definition of state control (supervision) of 294-fz:
state control (supervision) - the activity of authorized bodies of state power (federal executive bodies and executive bodies of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation) aimed at preventing, detecting and suppressing violations by legal entities, their managers and other officials, individual entrepreneurs, their authorized representatives ( hereinafter also referred to as legal entities, individual entrepreneurs) of the requirements established by this Federal Law, other federal laws and other regulatory legal acts of the Russian Federation adopted in accordance with them, laws and other regulatory legal acts of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation (hereinafter - mandatory requirements), through organization and conducting inspections of legal entities, individual entrepreneurs, organizing and conducting measures to prevent violations of mandatory requirements, control measures carried out without mutually actions with legal entities, individual entrepreneurs, taking measures stipulated by the legislation of the Russian Federation to suppress and (or) eliminate the consequences of identified violations, as well as the activities of these authorized state bodies for the systematic monitoring of compliance with mandatory requirements, analysis and forecasting of the status of compliance with mandatory requirements activities by legal entities, individual entrepreneurs.

[sogdy]

Quote: forty-eighth

As I’m talking to the wall ... Have you ever opened 144-fz?

I am in this system. Born, raised, worked and served, I live, in a word. And everything is in the system. Therefore, I have fun reading you. True, I do not understand, are you really a complete fool ?! And if so, for what purpose do you play with words whose meaning you do not know? Like, a great HSE specialist?
You draw two edges of one cube here, and you don’t even see that there is one face.

[Sam_gosling]

sogdyI rather agree with you. I am not a profound theorist regarding the working order of government bodies. If you know, SORM equipment is available for viewing not only to individuals from the operational group, but also to ordinary PC operators, who from impunity (epaulettes are all things) can begin to drain the info right and left. Moreover, the hardware integration of the ORM TS is engaged in private structure, which has access to all the information of the opsos, instant messengers and others like them. Conclusions?

[sogdy]

Quote: Sam_gosling

engaged in a private structure that has access to all information

There is an order of execution of the secrecy regime. And, right, the Black Swan is a paradise in comparison with what shines to the drains.
But the info that you are so anxious about is available to students in grades 3-7. All Ryad-3 and AWPs depicting them are full of holes. In reality, when using them, the level of protection is not higher than a call from a street telephone booth. With a canopy, not from a booth. Remember those?
So the "keys" (algorithms, special input, etc.) are needed for the purity of investigative evidence, and not for observation. So that the lawyer could not protest. No more.

[Clueless]

Quote: sogdy

Quote: Bad

we will ultimately finally lag behind in technology from other states :(

What time! Due to the blocking of a foreign agent that fundamentally violates the law ?! Or are you so worried about _ego_ rights out of solidarity?

Where did he break the law? Since when is the law above the constitution? And yes ... for sure, I forgot that we have a constitution for a look.
This is not a talk about a cart, just a telegram is the only one who defends his point of view. Moreover, you all have forgotten here how they squeezed Vkontakte from Durov, he does the right thing, that he resists, because he knows what he is dealing with

[sogdy]

If you think that the law is contrary to the Constitution, contact the Constitutional Court. And here - not at the address.

[Clueless]

Quote: Sam_gosling

sogdy, I rather agree with you. I am not a profound theorist regarding the working order of government bodies. If you know, SORM equipment is available for viewing not only to individuals from the operational group, but also to ordinary PC operators, who from impunity (epaulettes are all things) can begin to drain the info right and left. Moreover, a private structure is engaged in the integration of the hardware of the ORM TS, which has access to all the information of the opsos, instant messengers and others like them. Conclusions?

So, conclusions have been made for a long time, all this catastrophe began when BlackBerry was forced to give access to their secure system in Russia, and these phones were used primarily for business.

[Razvedka_Boem]

The feeling that half of the commentators did not use Telegram ..)
The ban on telegrams in Russia? ..)))))
AND?..)))

[bone1]

It's time to cover this shit together with Twitter, there are enough other social networks.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Bone1

It's time to cover this shit together with Twitter, there are enough other social networks.

Kostya when you write, think with your head and not the place you are sitting on
Telegrams and social networks are slightly different things, besides why d ..., a quite convenient program for communication

[sogdy]

And the pager is even more convenient. And so mysteriously! "Hello, hello! Young lady! You ... write this!"

[Cananecat]

Quote: Sam_gosling

Siloviki wants to read by default any messages of all persons without exception, which for me creates a certain imbalance

And I have a dissonance ... people are sitting in the FSB and reading ... reading ... reading ... where there are so many people serving to collect, that would track the messages of at least one ONE messenger Karl, where already two or more talk .
Py.Sy ... in the morning opening a tweet, VK, inst and a hedgehog with them ... do not be a snob, say hello for the sake of decency with your secret admirers from the FSB