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Rehabilitated posthumously. "Fun Life" by Pavel Dybenko (part of 1)

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Rehabilitated posthumously. "Fun Life" by Pavel Dybenko (part of 1)

On the life of Pavel Efimovich it was possible to remove a good blockbuster. And it would be all for the box office triumph: the impoverished childhood of the hero, two wars, the love of a powerful woman, cowardice, massacres, an impressive career, the accusation of espionage, the death sentence and rehabilitation. Dybenko lived a bright, albeit ambiguous life. A memorial plaque and a memorial stele were installed in his honor, the streets were named after him, and in 1969 and 1989, stamps with the image of Pavel Efimovich were issued.


Since childhood for the revolution!

The future political and military leader was born in February 1889 of the year in the small village of Lyudkovo, in the Chernihiv province (now it is a feature of the city of Novozybkov, Bryansk region). His family was not remarkable. Paul’s parents, he said, were ordinary farm laborers. According to the memoirs of Alexandra Kollontai, the wife of Dybenko, the home of his parents was a modest "hut" in which many icons hung. Based on what she saw, she concluded that her father-in-law "is hardly in the soul for Soviet power."

Paul's life was no different from the life of his peers. Together with his parents, he began working in the field from childhood. According to his memoirs, he “helped to fertilize and carry fertilizers, to graze cattle.” He also received a minor education. The ABC and the account he taught the priestly daughter. True, she was far from the ideals of modern pedagogy; therefore, to careless students she often got lost in it. And both morally and physically. Here is what Dybenko recalled in his autobiography: “For six years I was given to study for my father’s daughter, who conducted classes in a cold kitchen where calves and young sheep were placed at the same time. Popovna-teacher used hand-beating and beating with a ruler almost daily in the methods of upbringing ... ". The psychological trauma received in childhood tormented him all his life. And in the short autobiography that Dybenko left behind him, he almost he blamed his troubles for “priests.” He also justified his cruelty towards all other people with hatred of the clergy.

Studied Pavel Efimovich bad. Therefore, in the three-year city school was delayed longer than classmates. Because of his failure, he was left for the second year. However, this did not prevent him from taking part in the riots of 1905 of the year. And here is the discrepancy. It is known that in the city college he ended up in 1899 year. Even with the low academic performance, Dybenko should have completed it in 1903 or 1904. But what is written in the autobiography: “Being a student of the city school in 1905, without giving an exact account of what exactly is happening, I take part in the strike movement of students of the real, technical and city school, for which the Starodubskiy district court was held accountable. At trial, he was acquitted. ”

This gave historians a reason to doubt Pavel Efimovich’s “revolutionary childhood”. According to some researchers, he specifically distorted the facts in order to prove his loyalty to the Bolsheviks. So in the modern world often do football players who dream to get (or have already fallen) in the top club. At the presentation, they always say that “from childhood” they rooted for this particular team. Although everyone understands that these are just pretentious words. Probably, the example is not entirely correct, but still. The same thing happened in the life of Dybenko. When he was spun more powerful by the whirlpool of events in the country, he had to say that he was “from childhood” for the revolution. Of course, numerous historians tried to find at least some documents proving Paul’s participation in the 1905 events of the year. But nothing is found. Therefore, there is, of course, a reason to doubt the veracity of what was written.

When Dybenko was seventeen years old, he was attached to work in the treasury of the city of Novoaleksandrovsk. A relative of Paul worked here, who took him to his place. But Dybenko failed to make a career in public institutions. According to him, from there he was fired because he was in an illegal organization. However, this fact is also being questioned. Since there is not a single document proving his “illegal” activity. According to researchers, Pavel Efimovich was expelled because of the negligent attitude to work.

Once “free”, in 1907, Dybenko joined the Bolshevik circle. It was then that the police took control of him. Pavel Efimovich had nothing to do with the law enforcement officers, so he decided to “get lost” in the Baltic States.

The trail of Pavel Efimovich in 1908 year showed up in Riga. Here he worked as a loader in the port and studied electrical engineering at special courses. But it could not go on for a long time, given the character of a nineteen year old guy. He was drawn to adventure. And besides, employment at the port was seasonal. And once he was left without work and without money.

According to the memoirs of Paul's acquaintances, at that time he tried to somehow earn a living by participating in fist fights. Therefore, quite often Dybenko returned to the working hut with broken fists and face. But whether this is true or not is not exactly known. In general, information about his life in the period from 1908 to 1911 is quite small. But it is known that in 1911 Dybenko diligently avoided conscription. He managed to hide for about six months, but still one day he was arrested. Then they were sent to the Dvina penalty ship, which served in the Baltic Military navy. After some time, Dybenko was in the ranks of students of a mine school. After that, Pavel Efimovich, having received the rank of non-commissioned officer, was sent to the battleship "Emperor Paul the First" in Helsingfors (now - Helsinki, the capital of Finland). On the ship he received the position of a ship electrician. Here he met again with the Bolsheviks. And without thinking twice, Dybenko became a member of an underground group.

Until 1914, he was relatively quiet, preparing for demobilization. But the First World War began, so he had to continue pulling the strap. Although officially Pavel Efimovich took part in the war, in fact he was incredibly lucky - he passed by serious battles on the water.

In the memoirs "From the depths of the royal fleet to Great October", as well as in his autobiography, Dybenko again deceitful, trying to appear before the reader as a real hero. Therefore, in his literary works he called himself "the leader of the uprising of the sailors." In fact, there was no large-scale uprising. Dybenko hit several colleagues at the night meeting to shout out a couple of anti-government slogans. When the authorities found out about this incident, arrests of the most active sailors followed. Pavel Efimovich did not escape punishment. First of all, he was written off from the battleship, after which he was assigned to a volunteer battalion. In its composition Dybenko in 1916 year and went to Riga. Here he still had to make war. But soon another incident occurred - the authorities learned about his anti-war agitation among his colleagues. This time Pavel Efimovich did not manage to avoid imprisonment. In the spring of the same 1916, he was detained for a couple of months in the military correctional prison in Helsingfors. For such a short time, Dybenko was able to pull himself together and that is why he was released as soon as the sentence came to an end. Moreover, Pavel Efimovich was not left without work. As soon as he was free, he was appointed to the position of batalier (responsible for food, clothing and other supplies) of one of the military transport ships. located in the port of Helsingfors. Having settled down a bit in a new place, Dybenko took up the old one - he began to conduct underground revolutionary activities among his fellow servicemen.

Despite this, he once managed to "distinguish himself." When the Germans began to break through to Petrograd, Pavel Efimovich ... no, did not lead the volunteer naval battalion, which was thrown at the elimination of the threat. Instead, Dybenko managed to persuade several hundred sailors, as well as soldiers, not to take part in battles at all. Because of this, the battalion was quickly disbanded, many were arrested. Sukhoi managed to get out, perhaps, only Dybenko. He unexpectedly "fell ill" and ended up in the hospital. The “miraculous recovery” took place only a couple of months later, when the situation around the sailor’s demarche had subsided a bit. After returning to the front, Pavel Efimovich was sentenced to forty days in the guardhouse. We can say that he got off easy.

With the beginning of the February Revolution, Pavel Efimovich found himself in the whirlpool of events, that is, in his place. He was well aware that the situation in the country is now the most favorable for a man of his mentality and character.

Under the safe wing

When the February revolution began, Pavel Efimovich was noted in the armed uprising in Petrograd. And in March, he became a member of the Helsingfors Council of Deputies of the army, navy and workers. Further more. Already next month, Dybenko became chairman of the Central Committee of the Baltic Fleet. The first thing he did, of course, openly admitted that the Provisional Government was the main one in the country. And, accordingly, pledged to fulfill the will of the new government. However, soon Dybenko repudiated his words. He, along with Antonov-Ovseenko, participated in an anti-government speech in July 1917 of the year. The Provisional Government managed to cope with the rebellion.

October 1917 was one of the most important months in his life for Dybenko. And Pavel Efimovich did not miss his chance. He managed to take part in the battle with the German fleet near the island of Dago, became the commander of the sailor army, gave the order to the Aurora to open fire. Career Dybenko began to actively rush up. Of course, the Bolsheviks appreciated the contribution of Pavel Efimovich to the common cause, but, as they say, there was one nuance. At the very top, where the party elite lived, Dybenko had a powerful patron, Alexandra Mikhailovna Domantovich, and Kollontai in marriage. It was she who by all means tried to push her sailor up the career ladder. Thanks to the efforts of Kollontai, Dybenko already at the end of October became a member of the Naval Collegium. And only a month later, Lenin appointed a sailor as People’s Commissar for Maritime Affairs.

Dybenko, of course, lost the sense of reality. He could hardly have imagined that the spring meeting with Alexandra Mikhailovna would turn into such a generous gift of fate for him. She struck him with her mind and talk about freedom and disobeying the authorities. The sailors listened to her, literally opening their mouths with delight. Pavel Efimovich did not stand either. After the agitation speech, he picked up the woman and carried her through the ladder. From this began their revolutionary romance. Alexandra Mikhailovna made an entry in her diary about a meeting with Dybenko: “absent-mindedly looked around, playing with the inseparable huge revolver of blue steel.”

Having received unlimited power and feeling the power behind him, Dybenko, as they say, opened up. He was not interested in the reasons for his so rapid rise. But Vladimir Ilyich did not listen to Kollontai because Dybenko fully complied with the admiral's post. More precisely, the semi-literate sailor did not fully correspond to her, but this was unnecessary for Lenin. Specifically, at that moment he needed a devoted soldier who would unconditionally fulfill any order. And this role Dybenko began to perform with a bloodthirsty frenzy. Pavel Efimovich, like a wolf in a sheepfold, began to "cut the counter." He, along with his sailors, began cracking down on navy officers. But before that, they visited the imperial wine cellars.

According to eyewitness recollections, Dybenko and his “guardsmen” beat the warrant officers and lieutenants with sledgehammers. They prepared another fate for the senior officers — they were drowned in icy water, mocked as best they could, not allowing them to get out of the ice. According to rough estimates, several hundred people were killed in that massacre. When the slaughter was over, Pavel Efimovich hung up a thick gold chain and began to ride horses on the parade ground littered with the corpses of officers.

The only woman among the party elite knew perfectly well the deeds of her sailor. But she looked at it through her fingers and supported her in every way. In her letters she often repeated: “try to be closer to the center ... in front of your eyes”.

This is how the poetess Zinaida Gippius described Dybenko: “Tall, with a chain on her chest, looking like a bathhouse keeper, a burning brunette.”

There is a memory of Pavel Efimovich of one of his sailors: “In full proportion with the heroic build, he had massive arms and legs, as if cast from iron. The impression was complemented by a large head with large, deeply carved features of a swarthy face with a thick curly beard and curly mustache. Dark brilliant eyes burned with energy and enthusiasm, exposing remarkable strength of will ”.

And this is Kollontai’s diary passage: “This is a person who is dominated not by intellect, but by soul, heart, will, energy. I believe in Pavlusha and his Star. He is an eagle. I love in him the combination of strong will and ruthlessness, forcing him to see in him “cruel, terrible Dybenko ...” ”. She made this entry in the "romantic" 1917 year. A couple of years later, Alexandra Mikhailovna changed her mind about the “eagle” and wrote: “Dybenko is an undoubted nugget, but you cannot immediately make these violent people commissars, give them such power. They can not understand what is possible and what is not. They feel dizzy. ”

But this epiphany will occur only in the 1919 year. In the meantime, all the doors were open before Dybenko, and he enjoyed his incredible power.

To be continued ...
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  1. moskowit
    moskowit April 12 2018 06: 22
    +12
    Until 1914, he was relatively quiet, preparing for demobilization.

    Well, Dybenko could not get ready for the "demobilization" in 1914 in any way ... In the imperial fleet at that time, military service was 5 years .... They called him, as follows from the article in 1911, so he could leave the service after 15 September 1916 of the year .....
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid April 12 2018 06: 31
      +3
      It’s good that such a cycle has appeared. How much I wanted to learn more about Dybenko and others, for what exactly they shot --- I did not succeed, and, in principle, against the programs of the St. Petersburg historian-Vlasov, although there are a lot of them on the network.
    2. bober1982
      bober1982 April 12 2018 10: 15
      +4
      Quote: moskowit
      They called him, as follows from an article in 1911

      Nobody called this rogue - they forcibly put them on the Baltic Fleet penalty ship as a malicious draft evader.
      His service was very confusing, which had nothing to do with the service in the imperial fleet.
      1. Alber
        Alber April 14 2018 14: 30
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        Quote: bober1982
        Quote: moskowit
        They called him, as follows from an article in 1911
        Nobody called this rogue - they forcibly put them on the Baltic Fleet penalty ship as a malicious draft evader.


        Curly Inquisitor. A kind of Bolshevik Freddy Krueger seized power. Yes, supported by this proshman ... vkoy Kollontai, with its theory of the "glass of water"
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 April 14 2018 15: 14
          +1
          Any revolution of such "instances" literally throws out.
          Every person is crazy, they don’t like to talk about it, but this is well known to the clergy, psychiatrists (they are crazy, by the way), special services - when there is a breakdown of the usual way of life (the death of the state), all the dirt comes out - here is of great importance, heredity, family education, education, lifestyle and much more.
          Speaking of the church (they know, I’ll just repeat it), I don’t mean psycho-psychiatrists of course, then the devil (according to the church) - climbed out of these people, and here Dybenko suffered unclean.
          This is clearly seen in Ukraine, all these former pastors, Komsomol and party workers and workers, Satan smirks.
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    3. Poppy
      Poppy April 16 2018 16: 12
      0
      So maybe he began to prepare in 2 years, draw a demobilization album wassat
      But seriously, the Unter had to serve longer
  2. Olgovich
    Olgovich April 12 2018 06: 55
    +10
    Dybenko and his “guardsmen” they killed midshipmen and lieutenants with sledgehammers. They prepared for the senior officers another fate - they were drowned in ice water, they scoffed as they could, not allowing them to get out from under the ice. When the massacre ended, Pavel Efimovich hung on himself thick gold chain and began to ride horses on the parade ground littered with the corpses of officers.
    The only woman among the party elite she knew perfectly well about the deeds of her “sailor”

    And this illiterate non-man and sadist was a "people's commissar"! He was a gerantophile, he lived with another “people's commissar” —a woman, almost two times older than his nympho and koainist Kollontai .. "government".
    Yes....
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid April 12 2018 07: 33
      +6
      And somehow the author does not mention about the cruelty of the zashchitniks of the tsarist regime. And he could have written. He could have informed the names of the faceless eyewitnesses, otherwise it is somehow solid.
      Nevertheless, I hope that we will find out why they shot and understand why in the 70s of the last century in Leningrad they decided to name the street by his name. After all, the whole district has such street names: Dybenko, Kollontai, Krylenko, Podvoisky, Antonov-Ovseenko, Bolsheviks, People’s, Socialist, Pyatiletok, Telman ..... Oktyabrskaya embankment.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid April 12 2018 11: 45
        +3
        I forgot to write about Krylenko Street. They are approximately equidistant from Dybenko Avenue from Kollontai Street. Between them are Bolshevikov and Tovarishchesky Avenues. The streets of Podvoisky and Antonov-Ovseenko are closer to Dybenko.
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich April 12 2018 11: 59
        +6
        Quote: Reptiloid
        I hope that we will find out why they shot and understand.

        Shot for being American spy and did not know American language lol
        Quote: Reptiloid
        we understand why in the 70s of the last century in Leningrad they decided to name the street by his name. After all, the whole district has the following street names: Dybenko, Kollontai, Krylenko, Podvoisky, Antonov-Ovseenko, Bolsheviks, People’s, Socialist, Pyatiletok, Telman ....

        So rehabilitated them: otherwise how to explain to people how it turned out that thieves performed alone bandits, spies and enemies of the people.. There were almost no heroes left, everyone was killed ..... lol
        You can’t tell on excursions that Zimengo accepted the surrender spy, bandi and enemy of the people Antonov-Ovseenko. lol yes
        Or shpien? recourse request lol
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid April 12 2018 12: 32
          +7
          Olgovich, I visit different places in the city. I never heard that people are unhappy with these names. But there, where Tukhachevsky, it happens and heard.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich April 13 2018 03: 37
            +1
            Quote: Reptiloid
            Olgovich, I visit different places in the city. I never heard that people are unhappy with these names. But there, where Tukhachevsky, it happens and heard.

            Those. walking down the street and hear people discussing .... street name lol Yeah ..... lol
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid April 15 2018 11: 27
              +1
              I’ll tell you a terrible secret. I have to see passports.
            2. Poppy
              Poppy April 16 2018 16: 13
              0
              I live on Dybenko street, so what?
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich April 17 2018 06: 46
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                Quote: Poppy
                I live on Dybenko street and that?

                I wish you happiness and health! hi
    2. apro
      apro April 12 2018 07: 50
      +10
      Olgovich.psihov was enough on both sides. White people have no less. Transbaikal and Far Easterners remember Semyonov. Kolchak was also not bad in Siberia. This is the result of the breakdown of society. The maelstrom of events raises all base instincts to the top.
      What surprises me is different: why was the naval community so organized that as soon as such an antagonism arose within the professional collective of military sailors, why educating and organizing military collectives created such conditions under which there was a massive mistrust and aggression towards officers and midshipmen.
      1. alstr
        alstr April 12 2018 11: 10
        +13
        The answer is simple. If noblemen made their way into the army, the navy didn’t do anything - the caste was there (for example, composer Rimsky-Korsakov. Of his kind, three were the heads of the Naval Cadet Corps in St. Petersburg. And several were senior officers and admirals).
        On the one hand, this is not bad, but on the other hand, they did not consider sailors as people.
        So it all came out
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich April 12 2018 11: 51
        +4
        Quote: apro
        Olgovich. Psykhov was enough on both sides. White has no less. Transbaikal and Far Easterners remember seeds.

        The article describes the BEGINNING of atrocities when there was no reason
        1. Hantengri
          Hantengri April 12 2018 20: 28
          +5
          Quote: Olgovich
          The article describes the BEGINNING of atrocities, when there was no reason

          That's it, Olgovich! There could be no reason! Indeed, the RCMP had a complete well-being - the roses were fragrant, the gymnasium students were blushing, and the noble naval officers only affectionately scolded the negligent sailors for their cyanopods and continuously recited Pushkin’s poems to them by heart! wassat laughing
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich April 13 2018 03: 39
            +1
            Quote: HanTengri
            Quote: Olgovich
            The article describes the BEGINNING of atrocities, when there was no reason

            That's it, Olgovich! There could be no reason! Indeed, the RCMP had a complete well-being - the roses were fragrant, the gymnasium students were blushing, and the noble naval officers only affectionately scolded the negligent sailors for their cyanopods and continuously recited Pushkin’s poems to them by heart! wassat laughing

            Leave me as a lover of mate and gna.
        2. Looking for
          Looking for April 12 2018 21: 34
          -1
          Century-old hatred is a good reason
      3. Roman 11
        Roman 11 April 12 2018 15: 51
        +5
        Quote: apro
        why educating and organizing military collectives created such conditions under which there was a massive mistrust and aggression towards officers and midshipmen.

        A strange question - but they didn’t beat you?

        He served as an urgent when the Union crashed .... there were a lot of all kinds of ensigns, some drunks, some from Afghanistan, but I hardly remember the soldiers getting out. And this one, seemingly not a drinker, looked ordinary, but he had an internal hatred for me, then he would kick for nothing, from under the silence, for which cant snore into the bloodstream immediately breaks, Bosko already hurts, at the last moment there was already one desire plump it with a piece of iron on the crown of the head, and there let it be even a diesel engine. It saved that we were transferred to a few to replenish the division. I will not say that I saw many cattle and animals in the army, but there were sadists among the ensigns. But basically the beginning composition is normal.
        one ensign cannot without it, he himself admitted, and his fists like the head of a calf, he said so, Volodya, well, the soldier doesn’t understand the word, only when you smell him begins to do it. That is, it is already an addiction - if he does not hit a person, he will feel bad.

        Man is essentially an animal and no matter what origin he is wink
        1. kalibr
          kalibr April 12 2018 21: 36
          0
          There is something in a good origin ... This is not even discussed!
      4. Looking for
        Looking for April 12 2018 21: 32
        0
        And to understand, read "Tsushima" part 1. Immediately understand.
  3. baudolino
    baudolino April 12 2018 07: 28
    +10
    A classic crook who found himself in the revolution.
    1. Looking for
      Looking for April 12 2018 21: 51
      +3
      By the way. This. as you put it, "rogue" was a gentleman of three !!!! orders of the red banner. and in civilian orders are not scattered!
      1. Alex
        Alex April 14 2018 22: 24
        +1
        Quote: Seeker
        By the way. This. as you put it, "rogue" was a gentleman of three !!!! orders of the red banner. and in civilian orders are not scattered!

        When you have a lover as a people's commissar and you are a people's commissar, it remains to be surprised only that there is no more.
  4. Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 12 2018 07: 36
    +7
    The person, of course, is curious. Unless you think about how much "power of evil" the destruction brought to our country.

    The language of presentation is good. About equally with the ruler - a strong picture. I wonder what actually happened. It is unlikely to already know.

    And, of course, Kollontai. People's Commissar.
    But we also remember the Vechty Testament and Kipling:

    "Slave that became king."
  5. nivander
    nivander April 12 2018 09: 13
    +6
    By the way, in January 1916, a sailor Pasha Dybenko got to pull the strap into the Consolidated Navy Battalion in essence and according to realities this is a penal battalion made up of sailors of the Bolsheviks / Mensheviks / Anarchists / Syndicalist anarchists, etc. etc ---- not to be confused with the Naval Half-Crew 12 - armies (only volunteers) and a separate half-crew of 17 AK (sailors are criminals). For participation in the Naroch Operation, machine-gunner P. Dybenko was introduced to Yegor 3 degrees and completely oblivious of all sins (huge physical strength allowed him to carry Lewis in the snow and DYUZHIN !!! spare disks) --- and six months later, the restless and violent Pasha Dybenko already got into the company of criminals, kill God obviously not for the Bolshevik agitation
  6. bober1982
    bober1982 April 12 2018 12: 49
    +2
    Somehow it turns out strange, there are monuments and streets in honor of Dybenko, but his wife Kollontai - no, just curious why.
    Z. Gippius is mentioned in the article, and of course it’s hard to resist, not to bring her well-known characteristic of Dybenko’s cheerful life .........Yes, right there Krylenko went to Dybenko, and Dybenka to Krylenka, they want to arrest each other, and Dybenka’s wife - Kollontai - also retired, is confused somewhere here..... end of quote.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn April 12 2018 13: 55
      +4
      Quote: bober1982
      Somehow it turns out strange, there are monuments and streets in honor of Dybenko, but his wife Kollontai - no, just curious why.

      why not? In St. Petersburg, Dybenko street runs parallel to Kolontay street, one goes to the Dybenko metro station, the second goes to the Bolshevikov pr metro station
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 April 12 2018 14: 10
        +2
        Thank you, I didn’t know, in our city a street named after him passes between Revolutionary and Svobody St. and intersects (including) Aurora Street, and the street itself is located in Sovetsky and Oktyabrsky districts.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid April 12 2018 15: 54
          +3
          We have a street of the Latvian shooters, Olminsky, Burenin, highway of the Revolution, Babushkina, Frunze, some more, revolutionary, Proletarian Dictatorship Square. But I am worried about SOVIET and Red Army. I didn’t want them to be renamed.
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 April 12 2018 18: 11
            +3
            Quote: Reptiloid
            I didn’t want them to be renamed.

            No one will rename these streets and squares, but it’s a pity, of course, they’ve got used to it, they haven’t tried it.
            Kuibysheva Street - the former Noble, for a long time they hammered the inhabitants of Samara to call it that (Noble), do not accept such a name (and will not)
            Polyana named after Frunze - now Barboshina Polyanabut the local will never call it that, he’ll say it anyway Polyana Frunze
            So, Dima, don’t worry.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid April 12 2018 18: 47
              +1
              About the fact that there is a street in Samara. DYBENKO I learned from the site Samara Fates !!!! Yes, I was too shy to ask! I forgot about Kuybyshev street, I rarely go there, not far from the MUSEUM of the Revolution, Kshesinsky osbnyak and Chapaev street is not far there. We have a different situation with those of the Red Army and the Soviet. There were conversations.
  7. chenia
    chenia April 12 2018 14: 15
    +7
    Naturally, for the level of the people's commissar, he did not reach close, BUT.
    A biased attitude is felt. the author of the article.
    Illiterate - and suddenly an electrician, and a non-commissioned officer in the fleet - the ship (and the fleet) is the most technological and complex object of that time, and the specialty (especially not the ordinary sailor), as now special. on computers (hardware). Well, somehow it does not fit.
    I do not want to whitewash him (I do not own the topic), but stinks with bias.
    1. Alexander Greene
      Alexander Greene April 12 2018 15: 38
      +4
      Quote: chenia
      Naturally, for the level of the people's commissar, he did not reach close, BUT.

      Why not appoint him? By that time, Dybenko already had experience in managing the Central Balt, which after the February Revolution assumed all the responsibilities of the maritime department and supply, and manning, and personnel, and military, and wages and many others. He proved himself a good organizer.
    2. Looking for
      Looking for April 12 2018 21: 56
      +3
      It flashed that the article was concocted by a person. Justifying !!! Vlasova !!!
  8. Alexander Greene
    Alexander Greene April 12 2018 15: 47
    +14
    First, it would be interesting to know where the author found that Kollontai, “based on what she saw, ... concluded that her father-in-law is "unlikely to be in the soul for Soviet power"? Secondly, when she met with him - the peasants were allotted land, they did not charge the surplus appraisal service from the peasants and the poor, why should he be against it?
    Further, the author writes outright nonsense. “According to some researchers, he deliberately distorted the facts (biographies - A.G.) in order to prove his allegiance to the Bolsheviks”. Why did Dybenko prove his allegiance to the Bolsheviks if he himself had been a Bolshevik since 1912? And the football players example is the philistine primitive, after reading which it seems that the author in the article describes not Dybenko, but himself.
    Further, the author writes “According to him, he was fired from there because he was in an illegal organization. However, this fact is also being questioned. Since there is not a single document proving his “illegal” activities ” The author thinks that illegal activity is being recorded, lists are being drawn up like by conspirators in the cinema, but at that time there weren’t even party membership tickets, for the first time, registration of the RSDLP (b) members began only after the February revolution.
    And how much sarcasm. The author writes that “Thanks to the efforts of Kollontai, Dybenko already at the end of October became a member of the College of Naval Affairs. And only a month later, Lenin appointed the "sailor" People's Commissar for Maritime Affairs " Tell me, who could be put in this place in 1918, so that he could cope with the sailor freemen. After all, sailors mainly supported the Left Socialist Revolutionaries and Anarchists and did not obey anyone, only Dybenko managed to subordinate them to the Soviet government.
    Then in the article went horror stories: "Pavel Efimovich, like a wolf in a shepherd, began to" cut the counter. " He, along with his sailors, began to crack down on fleet officers. ” Frank lies, which only Olgovich really liked, but history shows that the officers were massacred on March 3, 1917, the Bolsheviks were still half a year before the authorities.
    And then horrors went into play: “According to eyewitnesses, Dybenko and his“ guardsmen ”scored midshipmen and lieutenants with sledgehammers. They prepared for the senior officers another fate - they were drowned in ice water, they scoffed as they could, not allowing them to get out from under the ice. According to rough estimates, several hundred people were killed in that massacre. When the massacre ended, Pavel Yefimovich hung a thick gold chain and began to ride horses on the parade ground littered with corpses of officers. " Someone invented and even placed it on Wikipedia, and the author thoughtlessly rewrote it, not noticing that Wikipedia refutes itself, informing on another page that “By March 15 (1917), the Baltic Fleet had lost 120 officers, of whom 76 were killed (in Helsingfors - 45, in Kronstadt - 24, in Revel - 5 and in Petrograd - 2)
    Dybenko at that time was in Petrograd, so on which corpses could he ride a horse? Beatings took place in the main bases of the fleet, furious sailors killed the most odious officers who for many years mocked them. Was it then that they specially brought him to the parade ground so that Dybenko could ride them? Yes, and who he was then for the sailors, not even the chairman of the Central Balta.
    Therefore, the article is a huge minus, the entire Internet is crammed with such rubbish, the "authors" copy and duplicate slander and stupidity from each other.
    1. Monarchist
      Monarchist April 12 2018 18: 14
      +2
      Green, read carefully: ".... In which hung a lot of icons." Kolontay was an atheist and suddenly a "lot of icons" and the conclusion: a secret anti-Soviet.
      Here, the origin also plays a role: Kolontai in childhood was not related to the peasant environment, and her father-in-law was a hereditary peasant - two parallel worlds.
      Perhaps the father-in-law looked at the daughter-in-law with suspicion: the peasants vied for moral principles (even in 21 we do not condone fornication and a respected legal marriage) and it is possible that he did not like the daughter-in-law
      1. Alexander Greene
        Alexander Greene April 12 2018 18: 44
        +4
        Quote: Monarchist
        Green, read carefully: ".... In which hung a lot of icons." Kolontay was an atheist and suddenly a "lot of icons" and the conclusion: a secret anti-Soviet.

        Sorry, dear, but you, justifying the author, are trying to make Kollontai a very primitive, stubborn, non-thinking fanatic.
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 April 12 2018 19: 59
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Green
          trying to make Kollontai a very primitive, stubborn, unthinking fanatic.

          It was the famous "priestess of free love," a very interesting woman, probably even too much. She had scientific works, literally, about this love. It was checked on the sailors of the Baltic Fleet. The woman was outstanding.
          1. Alexander Greene
            Alexander Greene April 13 2018 00: 46
            +4
            Quote: bober1982
            She had scientific writings, literally, about this love

            Have you read at least one of them, or are you singing from other people's words?
            1. bober1982
              bober1982 April 13 2018 08: 02
              +2
              You surprise me, all the creative works of Alexandra Mikhailovna on the topic of the new proletarian sexual culture are well known: the famous article Wing Eros Road, Family and communist state, New morale and working class, and even a story Love bees labor and much more.
              The new godless government fought against the "priestly" prejudices - family, chastity, shame, conscience.
              Decree About marriage cancellation , Down with the shame!, Marriage is a relic of the past!, Komsomol (Swedish) family!, demonstrations of naked citizens and female citizens, etc.
      2. Hantengri
        Hantengri April 12 2018 20: 43
        +4
        Quote: Monarchist
        In which hung a lot of icons "Kolontai was an atheist and suddenly" a lot of icons "and the conclusion: a secret anti-Soviet.

        Vyacheslav, Kolontay was an atheist, not an idiot.
  9. Roman 11
    Roman 11 April 12 2018 17: 19
    +5
    Dybenko at the Military Council of 1935.

    By the way, there is Uncle Ulrich, who put almost all the advice to the wall. The photo can be entitled - the executioner and his victims, sick on the head of Agatha Christie, probably did not see.
  10. sxfRipper
    sxfRipper April 12 2018 17: 28
    0
    To be continued ...
    I look forward to the author writing about the events of February 23 1918 of the year.
    1. Alexander Greene
      Alexander Greene April 12 2018 18: 46
      +8
      Quote: sxfRipper
      I look forward to the author writing about the events of February 23 1918 of the year.

      Nothing new. He will rewrite from the Internet that he’s "scared, escaped, caught on the Volga", etc.
    2. igordok
      igordok April 12 2018 20: 48
      +1
      Quote: sxfRipper
      I look forward to the author writing about the events of February 23 1918 of the year.

      What events of February 23 1918. do you want to hear 23 February 1918g, the Germans approached the outskirts of Pskov. The main battles were February 24-25. And Narva, February 23 was not yet taken by the Germans. Narva, where Dybenko appeared, the Germans took only 4 March.
    3. sxfRipper
      sxfRipper April 13 2018 11: 16
      0
      Lord! I am waiting for a description of the events from the author, and not your assumptions, which can be conditionally divided into two parts - Suvorov and Antisuvor hi
  11. Monarchist
    Monarchist April 12 2018 17: 34
    +2
    Quote: bober1982
    Quote: moskowit
    They called him, as follows from an article in 1911

    Nobody called this rogue - they forcibly put them on the Baltic Fleet penalty ship as a malicious draft evader.
    His service was very confusing, which had nothing to do with the service in the imperial fleet.

    As well as his "revolutionary activity" in 1905
  12. Monarchist
    Monarchist April 12 2018 18: 28
    +2
    Quote: chenia
    Naturally, for the level of the people's commissar, he did not reach close, BUT.
    A biased attitude is felt. the author of the article.
    Illiterate - and suddenly an electrician, and a non-commissioned officer in the fleet - the ship (and the fleet) is the most technological and complex object of that time, and the specialty (especially not the ordinary sailor), as now special. on computers (hardware). Well, somehow it does not fit.
    I do not want to whitewash him (I do not own the topic), but stinks with bias.

    I agree there are inconsistencies, but in principle they can be explained: a) there are a lot of unique people and nuggets and if they are given the opportunity. B) "illiterate, and suddenly an electrician, and antennas in the fleet," Dybenko graduated from the city school and by the standards of that time was quite competent person. Remember the biography of Zhukov when he was enrolled in non-commissioned officer Shaola
  13. Monarchist
    Monarchist April 12 2018 18: 52
    0
    Quote: moskowit
    Until 1914, he was relatively quiet, preparing for demobilization.

    Well, Dybenko could not get ready for the "demobilization" in 1914 in any way ... In the imperial fleet at that time, military service was 5 years .... They called him, as follows from the article in 1911, so he could leave the service after 15 September 1916 of the year .....

    Personally, I can explain this phrase like this: Dybenko wanted for the last couple of years "not to tease geese"
  14. Monarchist
    Monarchist April 12 2018 20: 02
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Green
    Quote: Monarchist
    Green, read carefully: ".... In which hung a lot of icons." Kolontay was an atheist and suddenly a "lot of icons" and the conclusion: a secret anti-Soviet.

    Sorry, dear, but you, justifying the author, are trying to make Kollontai a very primitive, stubborn, non-thinking fanatic.

    In your opinion, am I so primitive and measure everything with my arshin? Kolontay least of all resembles a primitive and stubborn fanatic: the origin, education and her subsequent biography are proof of this.
    1. Alexander Greene
      Alexander Greene April 13 2018 00: 49
      0
      Quote: Monarchist
      In your opinion, am I so primitive and measure everything with my arshin?

      Sorry, but I didn’t write this. I wrote that you are trying to make a primitive ..... Kollontai fanatic
  15. Monarchist
    Monarchist April 12 2018 20: 15
    0
    Quote: Novel 11
    Quote: apro
    why educating and organizing military collectives created such conditions under which there was a massive mistrust and aggression towards officers and midshipmen.

    A strange question - but they didn’t beat you?

    He served as an urgent when the Union crashed .... there were a lot of all kinds of ensigns, some drunks, some from Afghanistan, but I hardly remember the soldiers getting out. And this one, seemingly not a drinker, looked ordinary, but he had an internal hatred for me, then he would kick for nothing, from under the silence, for which cant snore into the bloodstream immediately breaks, Bosko already hurts, at the last moment there was already one desire plump it with a piece of iron on the crown of the head, and there let it be even a diesel engine. It saved that we were transferred to a few to replenish the division. I will not say that I saw many cattle and animals in the army, but there were sadists among the ensigns. But basically the beginning composition is normal.
    one ensign cannot without it, he himself admitted, and his fists like the head of a calf, he said so, Volodya, well, the soldier doesn’t understand the word, only when you smell him begins to do it. That is, it is already an addiction - if he does not hit a person, he will feel bad.

    Man is essentially an animal and no matter what origin he is wink

    There were all kinds of ensigns and officers: there were honest servants, and there were Dumb cattle
  16. Monarchist
    Monarchist April 12 2018 20: 23
    +1
    Quote: alstr
    The answer is simple. If noblemen made their way into the army, the navy didn’t do anything - the caste was there (for example, composer Rimsky-Korsakov. Of his kind, three were the heads of the Naval Cadet Corps in St. Petersburg. And several were senior officers and admirals).
    On the one hand, this is not bad, but on the other hand, they did not consider sailors as people.
    So it all came out

    I have to slightly correct you: in the Navy, caste began to erode in the 19th century. , You can read about it and Stanyukovich
  17. Monarchist
    Monarchist April 12 2018 20: 38
    0
    Every revolution is not an ordinary event, which means that people were not ordinary: Dybenko, Makhno, Bulkh Balakhovich.
    It’s like a storm: some will fly up, and others.
  18. kalibr
    kalibr April 12 2018 21: 41
    +1
    Quote: bober1982
    Somehow it turns out strange, there are monuments and streets in honor of Dybenko, but his wife Kollontai - no, just curious why.
    Z. Gippius is mentioned in the article, and of course it’s hard to resist, not to bring her well-known characteristic of Dybenko’s cheerful life .........Yes, right there Krylenko went to Dybenko, and Dybenka to Krylenka, they want to arrest each other, and Dybenka’s wife - Kollontai - also retired, is confused somewhere here..... end of quote.

    And there was such a tsekovsky b ... like Larisa Reisner - the commissar of the General Staff of the Navy of the RSFSR. This lived with Raskolnikov. They occupied a whole mansion, kept a servant, did not deny themselves anything. When they pointed this out to her, she replied, "Have we not made the revolution for ourselves?"
  19. Weyland
    Weyland April 12 2018 21: 50
    +1
    Popovna, a teacher, used methods of uprising and beating with a ruler almost every day in teaching methods ... "That psychological trauma received in childhood tormented him all his life. And in the short autobiography that Dybenko left behind, he was almost a direct text in all he accused his troubles of “priests.” He justified his cruelty towards all other people with hatred of clergymen.
    This is strong ... Louis 15th as a child, his teacher-clergyman often beat up with rods. That psychological trauma received in childhood tormented him all his life. When Louis became king, he paid off with him in full: he appointed him (by that time already a cardinal) ... prime minister! laughing And he often not only had the audacity to contradict the king, but also declared: "Not only did I whack you in childhood!"
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 April 12 2018 22: 27
      0
      Exactly. The most wonderful place to review. And the beginning of the discussion is about flogging and upbringing.
  20. Aviator_
    Aviator_ April 12 2018 22: 37
    +3
    [/ quote] According to eyewitnesses, Dybenko and his “guardsmen” scored midshipmen and lieutenants with sledgehammers. They prepared for the senior officers another fate - they were drowned in ice water, they scoffed as they could, not allowing them to get out from under the ice. According to rough estimates, several hundred people were killed in that massacre. When the massacre ended, Pavel Yefimovich hung a thick gold chain and began to ride horses on the parade ground littered with corpses of officers. [Quote]
    This is when he managed to do this - until October 1917 or after? Note - a continuous howl of a baker. The amateurish horror story about savages who took power in the 1917 year from the white and fluffy tsarist oligarchs.
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 April 12 2018 22: 42
      +2
      So when he was shot, from the point of view of the Soviet regime - was it right or not?
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ April 13 2018 08: 43
        0
        I believe that in such matters contemporaries of this “hero” are always better aware of rewarding or punishing him.
    2. Alexander Greene
      Alexander Greene April 13 2018 00: 57
      +5
      [quote = Aviator _] [/ quote] According to eyewitnesses, Dybenko and his "guardsmen" scored midshipmen and lieutenants with sledgehammers. They prepared for the senior officers another fate - they were drowned in ice water, they scoffed as they could, not allowing them to get out from under the ice. According to rough estimates, several hundred people were killed in that massacre. When the massacre ended, Pavel Yefimovich hung a thick gold chain and began to ride horses on the parade ground littered with corpses of officers.

      This is when he managed to do this - until October 1917 or after? Note - a continuous howl of a baker. The amateurish horror story about savages who took power in the 1917 year from the white and fluffy tsarist oligarchs.

      And this author tore off either Wikipedia or directly from the famous traitor Viktor Rezun, who took the loud pseudonym "Suvorov". Only that horror story is even worse, it is written that supposedly the brothers Dybenko and Raskolnikov pounded the heads of officers for a couple of sledgehammers.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid April 13 2018 01: 23
        +1
        Alexander! For a very long time I heard various good things about Raskolnikov and wanted to know more. Recently I began to read his book Kronshtadt and Peter at 17. So far, the truth I read the preface. It is interesting that the preface was written at the beginning of perestroika. Raskolnikov and Lenin are very much praised in the preface, and Stalin was scolded that he had perverted Lenin's ideas! What time!
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ April 13 2018 08: 41
          +1
          Classic early perestroika delirium: Stalin violated Lenin’s covenants, therefore bad. In fact, this nonsense was first voiced by Khrushchev Kukuruzny in 1956, at the beginning of perestroika, this nonsense was exhumed. I also have Raskolnikov’s book, of course, it is biased in assessing events, but this is a law of nature - there are no objective memoirs.
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid April 13 2018 10: 17
            +1
            Until recently, my second appeared ABOUT TIME AND ABOUT MYSELF. Now I’d rather read it, maybe I’ll also find out about other figures .. That's interesting. They are absolutely new, never open! Recently, my memoirs of our marshals have appeared. As if they were printed yesterday! Although long-standing years of publication cost ?????
        2. bober1982
          bober1982 April 13 2018 09: 00
          +5
          You correctly noticed it
          Quote: Reptiloid
          It is interesting that the preface was written at the beginning of perestroika. Raskolnikov and Lenin are very much praised in the preface, and Stalin was scolded that he had perverted Lenin's ideas! What time!

          Then they took up Ilyich, in the sense of scolding they began (at the height of perestroika), which he also perverted.
          At the end of perestroika, everyone was not interested in who perverted what. The deed was done, the country slid into the abyss.
  21. Pattern
    Pattern April 14 2018 18: 50
    +2
    Again, stories about hundreds of officers brutally tortured by Dybenko.