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US ready to introduce regular sanctions. Is there a limit to obscurantism?

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The US Congress will consider a new bill providing for the introduction of new restrictions on Russia, reports RIA News.




The new package "provides for a total ban on any financial transactions related to the state debt of Russia, in addition, restrictions on transactions with securities issued by the Central Bank, the National Wealth Fund and the Federal Treasury may fall," the report said.

Sanctions restrictions may also concern VTB, Sberbank, Bank of Moscow, Gazprombank, Agricultural Bank, Vnesheconombank, Promsvyazbank.

According to the explanatory documentation, the main reason for increasing economic pressure is “Russia's participation in the“ Skripal case ”.”

Restrictions must take effect no later than 60 days after the adoption of the law.

Recall that last week Washington imposed sanctions against a number of Russian entrepreneurs and companies under their control, as well as against several high-ranking officials.
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  1. Andrey K
    Andrey K April 11 2018 07: 59
    +18
    ... The United States may introduce new sanctions, this time related to the state debt of the Russian Federation ...

    Friends are going the right way.
    ... the main reason for the increase in economic pressure is Russia's participation in the Skripal affair ...

    It is understood that all the previous sanctions tricks did not lead to anything substantial, they did not achieve the desired gelding.
    Sanctions on public debt, sanctions on oligarchs (I am for these sanctions), sanctions on the military-industrial complex ...
    This is due to powerlessness, they do not cause anything but pity for the barking mongrel.
    1. Spartanez300
      Spartanez300 April 11 2018 08: 04
      +23
      Our answer will be ordinary, regret and resentment.
      Maria Zakharova said: it’s too early to say how tough the response will be.
      But will they even have these retaliatory measures, that’s the question, and is there any answer at all? In general, why do Americans behave so impudently and impose new sanctions against Russia, is it because we don’t have leverage to pressure them and our entire economy is tied to the American one.
      1. Andrey K
        Andrey K April 11 2018 08: 11
        +14
        Quote: Spartanez300
        ... Our answer will be ordinary, regret and resentment ...

        Victor - the Foreign Ministry spoke about regret. About indignation, it is you somewhere else heard.
        For me, so let them continue to choke in their own bile.
        1. Logall
          Logall April 11 2018 08: 22
          +12
          Comrades hi , The USA pursues speculative goals with this bill: although we are forced to buy more of their state-owned one ... After all, something needs to be paid in the international financial arena.
          We need to look for decent partners who will trade in the national currency ... Look for new markets! And for this you need something more interesting than oil ... Well, including hydrocarbons ...
      2. Civilian
        Civilian April 11 2018 08: 23
        +1
        Nothing, Victor. We will "hold on." All as one! Slender next! angry
        And those who can not, ali do not want, those away - to the Maldives!
        sad
      3. LSA57
        LSA57 April 11 2018 08: 23
        +5
        Quote: Spartanez300
        Is it because we don’t have leverage for pressure against them and our entire economy is tied to the American one?

        Do you know how much we bought up US government bonds? China between April, too. if thrown to the market, the global economy will collapse. including ours, because we do not live on a separate island, and the whole economy in the world is, unfortunately, tied to the dollar. that's why they calculate the options, and do not chop off the shoulder.
      4. Kent0001
        Kent0001 April 11 2018 08: 25
        +9
        It seems that you have discovered so much new in your post. This is so, and for a long time. We do not have methods against the United States in the economy, although we can spoil the bloodstream a little, but that is if the guarantor wants to, and he is silent and pretends that he is out of business.
        1. Anti-Corr.
          Anti-Corr. April 11 2018 08: 31
          +3
          Quote: Kent0001
          but this is if the guarantor wants, and he is silent and pretends that he is not in business.

          Well, why are you like this? any "mihan" on your fingers will explain that this is a new hpp.
        2. Andrey K
          Andrey K April 11 2018 08: 44
          +17
          Quote: Kent0001
          ... We do not have methods against the United States in the economy, although we can spoil the bloodstream a little, but that is if the guarantor wants to, and he is silent and pretends that he’s out of business ...

          It is not the guarantor’s job to cut off for every state. There are corresponding structures for this.
      5. Orionvit
        Orionvit April 11 2018 13: 44
        0
        Quote: Spartanez300
        Is it because we don’t have leverage for pressure against them and our entire economy is tied to the American

        Quite the contrary, apparently, they don’t have enough leverage to put pressure on Russia, and they’ll invent everything in a row. The fact that the whole world economy is tied to the American dollar is understandable, but in this situation, we can only rejoice that the Russian economy is not so deeply bogged down in integration with the world economy. So, the relative economic “backwardness” of Russia is a kind of advantage that robs the states of many opportunities for pressure. So they are getting wild.
    2. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 April 11 2018 08: 05
      +1
      Quote: Andrey K
      Friends are going the right way.

      do you express joy or sadness?
      1. Andrey K
        Andrey K April 11 2018 08: 14
        +11
        Quote: Tiksi-3
        ... are you expressing joy or sadness? ...

        “You” is capitalized.
        In essence of your question - read below and there will be no unnecessary questions.
        On the topic of the article, have something to say?
      2. AlexVas44
        AlexVas44 April 11 2018 08: 19
        +1
        Quote: Tiksi-3
        do you express joy or sadness?

        Better write - you. And then Andrey Evgenievich are offended. laughing
        1. Andrey K
          Andrey K April 11 2018 08: 26
          +10
          Quote: AlexVas44
          ... Better write - you. And then Andrey Evgenievich are offended. laughing...

          It is better to write correctly in your native language yes
          1. Tiksi-3
            Tiksi-3 April 11 2018 08: 41
            0
            Quote: Andrey K
            In essence of your question - read below and there will be no unnecessary questions.

            below there is no your comment except flood

            Quote: Andrey K
            On the topic of the article, have something to say?

            this question was on the topic, you rejoice at these sanctions, although they are the ones that will hit the layman most painfully - and you’ll get high!
            1. Andrey K
              Andrey K April 11 2018 08: 55
              +9
              Quote: Tiksi-3
              ... below there is no your comment, except for flood ...
              ... this was a question on the topic, you rejoice at these sanctions, although they are the ones that will hit the layman most painfully - and you’ll get high! ...

              Do not flood and do not poke.
              I already explained to you once, it’s hard to see you.
              1. Tiksi-3
                Tiksi-3 April 11 2018 09: 35
                0
                Quote: Andrey K
                I already explained to you once, it’s hard to see you.

                essentially answer the question is not what? "rejoice at these sanctions, although they are the ones who hit the layman hardest - and you get it high!"
                and do not be rude - it is harmful. "tight comes."
                1. Andrey K
                  Andrey K April 11 2018 10: 11
                  +9
                  Quote: Tiksi-3
                  ... essentially answer the question is not what? ...

                  How do you propose answering a question that does not contain a question?
                  You tried to translate the topic from the discussion of the article - to my humble person. You wanted to discuss what I’m happy about and what I’m thrilled about.
                  Man - you either ask questions on the topic of the article, or don’t stick your nose where it’s not supposed to.
                  I don’t feed trolls, I don’t feed on Wednesdays.
        2. vovanpain
          vovanpain April 11 2018 08: 28
          +7
          Quote: AlexVas44
          Better write - you. And then Andrey Evgenievich are offended.

          Actually, a colleague, well-mannered people turn to each other on you. hi
          1. AlexVas44
            AlexVas44 April 11 2018 09: 32
            +5
            Quote: vovanpain
            Actually, a colleague, well-mannered people turn to each other on you.

            In fact, a colleague well-educated people do not make comments to the opponent with such a mistake, especially in public.
            Anton Pavlovich Chekhov wrote: “A good upbringing is not that you will not spill the sauce on the tablecloth, but that you will not notice if someone else does it.”
            1. Andrey K
              Andrey K April 11 2018 11: 32
              +8
              Quote: AlexVas44
              ... In fact, a colleague well-educated people do not make comments to the opponent with such a mistake, especially in public...

              Actually Colleague, you in public supported tiksi-3 trolling. This is the first.
              Secondly: you in public recommended this figure to give a damn about ethical standards and switch to you in communication with me.
              Third: you in public they decided to participate in the flood themselves - instead of commenting on the topic of the article, they decided to discuss what I am offended by:
              Quote: AlexVas44
              ... Better write - you. And then Andrey Evgenievich are offended ...

              Therefore, do not teach manners, follow them yourself and everything will be fine.
              PS Chekhov described a case of behavior in a decent society, and when this very “sauce” is intentionally spilled, then the bully is put in place.
              1. Tiksi-3
                Tiksi-3 April 12 2018 10: 36
                0
                Quote: Andrey K
                Actually Colleague, you are in public

                I asked you a question regarding the topic of the article in your comment, to which you began to respond with veiled rudeness and become personal, so there is no need to arrange a theater with the hope of further promoting complaints about ban
                1. Andrey K
                  Andrey K April 12 2018 12: 46
                  +5
                  Quote: Tiksi-3
                  ... to which you began to respond with veiled rudeness and become personal, so there is no need to arrange a theater with the hope of further promoting complaints about the ban ...

                  According to Freud, make a reservation laughing
                  Veiled rudeness, theater, complaints ...
                  Colleague, people are not judged by themselves.
                  If I wish to send you - I will send, without a veil. Your personality does not interest me in order to switch to it. Like my personality, you should not touch you sideways.
                  The topic of the article is not your assumptions and feelings, who, how and what comments.
                  Your comment is a flood, in no way related to the topic under discussion.
                  Do you have something on the topic of the article?
                  1. Tiksi-3
                    Tiksi-3 April 12 2018 13: 24
                    0
                    Quote: Andrey K
                    The topic of the article is not your assumptions and feelings, who, how and what comments.

                    it’s my and other assumptions and feelings, exactly who and how are commenting - and there is a discussion of the topic of the article, not your phrases "You have something on the topic of the article?"
                    1. Andrey K
                      Andrey K April 12 2018 13: 31
                      +6
                      Quote: Tiksi-3
                      ... it is my and other assumptions and feelings, exactly who and how comments - and there is a discussion of the topic of the article ...

                      Narcissism rolls over.
                      Well, and communicate with yourself that you like a bath sheet to the pope stuck.
                      You are not interesting for me.
                      With their "my and other assumptions and feelings", You need a specialist with a narrow profile. In vain you are tied to me, I'm not in this part.
                      1. Tiksi-3
                        Tiksi-3 April 12 2018 14: 16
                        0
                        insults again ...
                        Quote: Andrey K
                        You are like a bath sheet

                        Quote: Andrey K
                        You need a narrow profile specialist

                        by the word others - (for those who need to chew) the forum participants mean, but about your message to the specialist, I see that you have already trod the path there, if you are so confidently sending
    3. krops777
      krops777 April 11 2018 08: 09
      +2
      Friends are going the right way.


      And I told Trump for a long time that our man also does not like our oligarchs like us. wink
    4. vovanpain
      vovanpain April 11 2018 08: 32
      +6
      US ready to introduce regular sanctions. Is there a limit to obscurantism?

      There is no limit, This is an economic war, it didn’t work on March 18th to push its sixes, went to the bank, trying to undermine the situation inside, so that the Ukrainians would jump. yes
      1. Orionvit
        Orionvit April 11 2018 13: 51
        0
        Quote: vovanpain
        This is war

        That's for sure, but in war, as they say, all means are good. What is there to be surprised. Meanwhile, many continue to pray to America.
    5. siberalt
      siberalt April 11 2018 08: 53
      +3
      Are we weak in nationalizing the American Bank of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation? winked
    6. Angel_and_Demon
      Angel_and_Demon April 11 2018 09: 35
      +2
      Quote: Andrey K
      This is due to powerlessness, they do not cause anything but pity for the barking mongrel.

      but how did our nouveau riche fuss?
    7. Shurale
      Shurale April 11 2018 09: 44
      +1
      Really didn’t lead to anything? Where do you live, I would like to go there too ... Moscow, Rublevskoe highway?
    8. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 April 11 2018 09: 53
      +3
      Hi!! So we arrived, Only recently, the Minister of Finance reassured everyone, they say they won’t do it, my God, how many divers there are in the Government, So I call Ministers like Ulyukaev, he always tried to find the bottom in 14-15 after the fall of industry, Mr. Only the fog lets the sand in, they say we see everything, we are waiting for documents, and they say it’s impossible to act, I wonder who forbade to act, No matter how bitterly aware, the Abama Administration threw us technically and professionally, I’m about Ukraine, His Administration officially declared us the enemy to press us with sanctions , The new US Administration is zealously pursuing this course, Crowds of mourners have occupied TV channels and moaning dirt on our country and nothing is happening to them, But there are laws but not for them, In distant countries, budget theft and large-scale fraud threatens with serious deadlines, In the Dominican Republic, fraudsters were planted that they stole a substantial amount from us and settled there, Managed to break the law there, Term of salt 15 days, Our journalists reasoned that fools needed to be molten to Russia. They give little for such a crime. Of course I was offended by such explanations from journalists, but it’s true. The next term of the New President will be theft and theft. It’s necessary to change the vertical and thorough Yes, and at the international level, everything is not going smoothly, Crimea and Syria took two steps decisively and we backtrack for three years, we are afraid to offend the US and its satellites, now everything, they have won time and prepared, the US is ready to beat us everywhere and it hurts, I laugh listening to Mr. Peskov the answer will be strong, Do not tell my hooves, The maneuvering field has narrowed considerably and they are no longer afraid of us, And why they don’t accept the experience of China, There is something to take, I understand the liberals instantly shake rags and we cannot offend, Let it be worse and you can’t offend So we’ll back off and stomp on the spot, There’s not much good ahead, And in the box they’re yelling about the biggest successes and victories,
  2. Sergey985
    Sergey985 April 11 2018 07: 59
    +9
    So they waited. Buying Treasuries, the most "reliable" placement of our money.
    1. Anti-Corr.
      Anti-Corr. April 11 2018 08: 07
      +3
      Quote: Sergey985
      So they waited. Buying Treasuries, the most "reliable" placement of our money.

      Very "competent" behavior of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, and the president said that he was pleased with the work of this office.
  3. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 11 2018 07: 59
    +7
    US may introduce new sanctions, this time related to the state debt of the Russian Federation

    They don’t even “can”, but they will enter it precisely, without any doubt.
  4. svp67
    svp67 April 11 2018 08: 03
    +16
    And it will be just a "song" ... We are forcibly pushed out of the "capitalist society" returning to socialism ....
    Is there a limit to obscurantism?
    This is WAR and they are ADDING ... But what about us? Where's the answer? How much will we be silent?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 April 11 2018 08: 06
      +5
      Not. But - if this is introduced, the next will be hydrocarbons, and then only Juche will have to promote Ideas or Ayatola when he was under sanctions.

      Well, in principle, the course is chosen and they follow it:
      - isolation of the country, the collapse of the economy, bringing it to the 90 years with an attempt to wobble in a similar scenario.
      - isolation in the international arena.
      - creating the image of the guilty and the enemy.
      1. svp67
        svp67 April 11 2018 08: 09
        +4
        Quote: donavi49
        Well, in principle, the course is chosen and they follow it:

        And the most offensive for OUR MONEY ....
        Russia increased its investments in US government debt to $ 180,7 billion, increasing its investment over the year by a quarter. ...
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh April 11 2018 08: 53
        0
        I think the Crimea of ​​Russia has already been de facto "forgiven," the requirements
        will not be returned. If you settle in the Donbass and lower the military
        profile in Kaliningrad and Syria, then most of the sanctions will be lifted.
        1. mkop
          mkop April 11 2018 09: 12
          +8
          Amused. :) From the heart. Seriously? Dissolve the army, give the territory to all the jackals around. Can hang tags on the neck - "Slaves", or "Defective"? They will remove the sanctions. Yes. Mandatory. In the 90s, we were not very smart comrades in power circles who believed that the West would help us. Now I am at least immune to such claims. The West will help us only in one thing - digging the grave. There is nothing more to expect from these, and even more so to believe.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh April 11 2018 09: 26
            +4
            Of course not. The anarchy and destruction of Russia is completely unprofitable for America.
            Due to the possible loss of control of Moscow over the nuclear arsenal.
            And they can buy any raw material for money. Therefore Putin
            they fully supported until 2014. Weak Obama brought out the majority of American
            bases and troops from Europe. Obama has been cutting the US military budget for 4 consecutive years.
            2014 was a turning point. Therefore, the introduction and lifting of sanctions must be linked
            since 2014, and not the "sinister plans of imperialism."
            1. someoneV
              someoneV April 11 2018 10: 46
              +3
              voyaka uh (Alexey) what do you think so seriously or ...... The Western bloc and the United States, including only need one, the destruction of Russia as a state, only one country in the world can "erase" them, and this is a significant threat to them . And there is no need to talk about any kind of benefit, what do you think all the "loshars" here. I may not understand Jewish logic, but in the course of recent historical events with my country, the conclusion is obvious. Our relations with Western civilization will never be It’s normal that the whole history of both Russia and the USSR confirms this.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh April 11 2018 15: 36
                0
                "only one thing is needed, the destruction of Russia as a state" ///

                In no case. Russia does not want to see how an empire, how
                the dominant force in the world, but as an effective state with reliable governance - no doubt.
                Not out of love for her, but out of pragmatic considerations - his
                own security. If there is an ICBM, it is more reliable that they are under the control of an adequate government in a strong state. Therefore, the Putin government suited the United States.
                Until the “sharp” steps of 2014, which frightened the entire Western world. And the sanctions began.
            2. mkop
              mkop April 11 2018 15: 28
              +1
              You then explain the new sanctions, which are introduced solely on unfounded allegations, about alleged poisoning (nothing has been proved - continuous cries of the mentally retarded from the scene), chemical attacks (also nothing, cries - RUSSIA ATTACK !!! SANCTIONS !!! - that's all evidence ends). Is this also for 2014? I already wrote how this is done now - using the words "no doubt", "does not require proof", etc., any nonsense can be elevated to the rank of truth, and based on this restrictive measures can be applied. Make friends with such moral monsters yourself, I don’t want to plunge into it.
              And yet, to be honest, I don’t give a damn about the high bell tower, how many years and how the woman cut the budget, he was still astronomical. If you subtract millions from billions, nothing changes. All this is far from just defensive systems. There is still a true limiting factor - the nuclear arsenal. Otherwise, people like Nuland would have walked here with cookies. The West needs Russia only in one way - a territory where resources are extracted, cheap, by slaves. All.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh April 11 2018 15: 39
                0
                "The West needs Russia only in one way - the territory where resources are extracted, cheap, by slaves" ///

                No. Neither territory nor slaves are needed. Cheap labor is full in the world: Asia, Africa. And resources are easily bought for dollars without any hassle.
        2. Angel_and_Demon
          Angel_and_Demon April 11 2018 09: 37
          +5
          Quote: voyaka uh
          I think the Crimea of ​​Russia has already been de facto "forgiven," the requirements
          will not be returned. If you settle in the Donbass and lower the military
          profile in Kaliningrad and Syria, then most of the sanctions will be lifted.

          if at least once you give way to the gopniks - you will sell the apartment, do you not know this?
    2. 210ox
      210ox April 11 2018 08: 06
      +6
      It would be just great ... In socialism ... It is a pity that our leaders will be against it, it’s easier to step on the same rake ..
      Quote: svp67
      And it will be just a "song" ... We are forcibly pushed out of the "capitalist society" returning to socialism ....
      1. Angel_and_Demon
        Angel_and_Demon April 11 2018 09: 39
        +2
        Quote: 210ox
        It’s a pity that our leaders will be against it,

        But what about the villas? what to give to the people?
      2. someoneV
        someoneV April 11 2018 11: 12
        +1
        Well, yes, they sleep and see how they transfer their wealth acquired by overwork to the people that they despise, remember what Gref, Chubais said.
    3. Civilian
      Civilian April 11 2018 08: 31
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      And it will be just a "song" ... We are forcibly pushed out of the "capitalist society" returning to socialism ....

      Sing, friends. "the division advanced along the valleys and along the hills."
      Let's start from the beginning? Or a year since the 46th?
    4. Civilian
      Civilian April 11 2018 08: 50
      0
      Quote: svp67
      This is WAR and they are ADDING ... But what about us? Where's the answer? How much will we be silent?

      And what is your answer? "Kuzkin mother" run?
  5. Приговор
    Приговор April 11 2018 08: 03
    0
    Not “can”, but will be introduced. The whole question: when?
  6. Same lech
    Same lech April 11 2018 08: 07
    0
    Obscurantism in the United States has not yet reached the bottom ...
    and if it reaches then from below the knock ... the bottom is bottomless.
  7. Roster
    Roster April 11 2018 08: 11
    +6
    Why does the state not buy the collapsed shares of its own enterprises such as Rusal, etc. After stabilization of the markets, they can be sold to responsible investors and make good money in the treasury. Or to leave in state ownership part of the strategic assets muddled with privatization in the 90s.
    1. Civilian
      Civilian April 11 2018 08: 47
      0
      Quote: Roster
      Why does the state not buy the collapsed shares of its own enterprises such as Rusal

      With collapsed shares are bought and not collapsed debts of these enterprises.
      I understand correctly? Question to the experts.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh April 11 2018 09: 29
        +2
        Right. Rusal has big dollar debts. It can be
        nationalize only along with these debts.
        1. aszzz888
          aszzz888 April 11 2018 09: 44
          +3
          10 April 2018 years 18: 44
          US sanctions against RusAl will lead to increased demand in the EU market and higher aluminum prices
          10 April. FINMARKET.RU - US sanctions on RusAl will increase demand for metal in the EU market and increase aluminum prices for subsequent redistribution industries, the Association of Aluminum Producers, Suppliers and Consumers (Aluminum Association) said.
          Sanctions provoked an increase in aluminum prices, which amounted to about 8,5%. RusAl’s products were used for further processing, therefore, American manufacturers of rolled products, extrusion and other end products will suffer, notes the industry lobby.
        2. Civilian
          Civilian April 11 2018 13: 12
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Right. Rusal has big dollar debts. It can be
          nationalize only along with these debts.

          Nothing about! Pull out on our aluminum! We will pay for everything, we are serious people, reliable partners.
          Well, it didn’t work the first time it was built into the global economy. The first pancake is lumpy, as they say.
          In two or three years, when everything calms down, we will try again. We will find a more efficient owner, we will help of course at first, we will support loans there, well, actually .. wink
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh April 11 2018 15: 41
            0
            I think so too. If you reduce the geo-political ambitions and
            to engage in a peaceful economy, then everything can be adjusted and developed. good
    2. Sergey985
      Sergey985 April 11 2018 08: 55
      0
      The Chinese are buying everything. So there are still a lot of “funny” discoveries ahead.
  8. Civilian
    Civilian April 11 2018 08: 12
    +2
    Goofy! How unexpected it is! Who would have guessed? am
    Well, that’s it! SchA will begin! Now all progressive humanity will break the green paper to burn and in turn - ".. give my money ..." wassat sad
    "..And what the head of the transport department will tell us ..". Who is there in our economy? Siluanov? lol
  9. Zubr
    Zubr April 11 2018 08: 14
    +1
    Well, they will ban and they themselves will incur wild losses. Prohibit the work of American companies in the Russian market as foreign agents. Make them pay taxes to our treasury. Enough for them to walk freely.
  10. Vard
    Vard April 11 2018 08: 24
    +2
    This is called in spite of my grandmother's frostbitten ears ... They got excited ... We have a 10% public debt yield ... Bonds in line ... And they will buy without them ...
  11. ivan0vitch
    ivan0vitch April 11 2018 08: 28
    +6
    everything, it’s time to act in response - to exclude Trump from the Cossacks. this measure should produce a sobering effect and make you think
    1. Zubr
      Zubr April 11 2018 09: 09
      +3
      Yeah, call on the Cossack circle and publicly flog with a whip .. laughing
  12. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur April 11 2018 08: 32
    +1
    The greyhound will not stop until it gets a snot - this is the answer to the title of the article. Personally, I was touched by a proposal saying that sanctions restrictions could also affect VTB, Sberbank, Bank of Moscow, Gazprombank, Russian Agricultural Bank, Vnesheconombank, Promsvyazbank. Sberbank. But Gref so licked America and went there and did not open branches in Crimea. And how much money was squandered in Ukraine at the request of overseas. Did not help.
  13. Helmsman
    Helmsman April 11 2018 08: 49
    +3
    Comrades, but who can explain to me whether it is possible to transfer stock trading to the Hong Kong Stock Exchange or to the extreme market on the Russian market? Losses? Will be visible. But in the long term, the minimization of risks from the actions of third-party states and their governments. Can someone argue this idea?
  14. Altona
    Altona April 11 2018 08: 50
    +1
    Quote: donavi49
    Well, in principle, the course is chosen and they follow it:
    - isolation of the country, the collapse of the economy, bringing it to the 90 years with an attempt to wobble in a similar scenario.
    - isolation in the international arena.
    - creating the image of the guilty and the enemy.

    ---------------------------
    Thanks to Misha Gorbachev, who sold his Motherland to the wife and the "holy" Alconaut Yeltsin, who organized democracy. Complete isolation will not work, not those times now, especially since China does not pass this cup, they also threw a glove to it. Answer us.
    1. kipod
      kipod April 11 2018 08: 52
      +1
      Quote: Altona
      Thanks to Misha Gorbachev, who sold his Motherland to the wife and the "holy" Alconaut Yeltsin, who organized democracy.

      Khrushchev forgotten and false Dmitry.
    2. DON-100
      DON-100 April 11 2018 08: 59
      +1
      China has already turned on the rear, saying that it is not going to change the international order, that it is happy with everything, hinting that it will not follow the path of Russia. China's prosperity depends on good relations with the West, the United States is China's largest trading partner, so they will find a common language anyway.
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 April 11 2018 09: 36
        +1
        DON-100 Today, 08: 59 ↑
        China has already turned on the back, stating that he was not going to change the international order, that he was happy with everything, hinting that he would not follow the path of Russia.

        And this, excuse me, in what documents can I see? At the UN meetings, the latest in Syria, China spoke with us, supporting our initiatives, and if for some reason it “abstained”, then this is also not a “minus” of our diplomacy ...
        1. DON-100
          DON-100 April 11 2018 10: 06
          +1
          BAO (China), April 10. / TASS /. China will never threaten other states and attempt to undermine the existing international order. This was announced on Tuesday at the official opening ceremony of the Asian Economic Forum in Boao (South China) by President Xi Jinping.

          "No matter what success China achieves in its development, it will never threaten anyone in an attempt to undermine the existing international system or expand its zone of influence," he said.

          “China, as never before, will protect global peace, as well as contribute to its prosperity and maintain international order,” the head of state summed up.



          More on TASS:
          http://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/5109091
          1. aszzz888
            aszzz888 April 11 2018 10: 11
            0
            Military Review ● Analytics
            Moscow is right! In China, support and study the actions of Russia in Syria
            Today, 05: 33

            Read, today on VO ....
  15. Clueless
    Clueless April 11 2018 08: 52
    +3
    In a strange time, we live, a long time ago, any introduction of sanctions against another country, often equated almost to a declaration of war against the state imposing them.

    All this nonsense could end with the adoption of the law - that sanctions imposed against Russia, which cause significant harm to its economy, population, and ecology are equivalent to declaring war against Russia. . Immediately the number of fools introducing them would decrease.

    And now they are doing a simple thing - they are destabilizing the situation in Russia so that it falls apart from the inside. So it will be, because when the people have nothing to eat, and our deputies and others will pretend that everything with a beam broadcasting their fat faces from the TV, the country will explode :( For a well-fed hungry man does not understand, even if the hungry man is a patriot of his country.
  16. Sergey985
    Sergey985 April 11 2018 08: 58
    0
    I wonder what will happen: the golden ruble, or under the Chinese, with their yuan now?
  17. NordOst16
    NordOst16 April 11 2018 09: 04
    +4
    So they played it out. Pug is nobility strong that barks at the elephant, although they should have understood in the government the consequences of aggressive actions against the largest economy in the world. And, probably, again, the oligarchs and servants of the people will fatten, and the people, under patriotic calls to tighten their belts and live like in some kind of thread in Honduras, but we rise from our knees.
    And China is unlikely to help here, and if it helps, it will wrap around like sticky because it will be practically the only major player who can theoretically give loans, and therefore will be able to dictate its terms.
    So gentlemen have arrived.
    1. Bumblebee_3
      Bumblebee_3 April 11 2018 09: 46
      +2
      Vladislav, judging by your post, it remains for us to "cover ourselves with a white sheet and without creating panic, slowly crawl into the cemetery." I agree with you on one thing that the oligarchs will continue to fatten (unless they are "de-oligarchy"). Are you sure that the Russian Federation needs loans? Why unnecessarily climb into a debt hole? Only I think that it is necessary to restore the domestic market. It is time to abandon the purchase of imported technologies and restore their own. At one time, our aircraft, including civilian ones, were no worse than the American ones, and our Volga GAZ-21 was not inferior in anything.
      1. NordOst16
        NordOst16 April 11 2018 10: 11
        +1
        Yes, something covered me))) for again the technology will rise in price (((, and it's a shame somehow for the Motherland)))

        Quote: Bumblebee_3
        unless you "deoligarch"

        Yes, I would not want the next revolution and the committee of the poor because then the innocent will fall under the ax (and not the fact that the oligarchs will disappear, new faces will appear in their place).

        Quote: Bumblebee_3
        Only I think that it is necessary to restore the domestic market.

        This is good, but for this it is necessary that the population is rich (in the USA, if I am not mistaken, huge revenues go to the budget due to domestic consumption), but there are some problems.

        Quote: Bumblebee_3
        It is time to abandon the purchase of imported technologies and restore their own.

        Well, that’s good, but the main thing is not to go too far because not everything in the USSR was the best, I don’t want to fence myself off from the world. It may be better like in China - you can sell your equipment on the territory of the state, but it should be produced here while observing the protection of the rights of investors that money and technology will not be taken from them. It will be profitable for both investors and us because the equipment will be produced in the country and it will always be possible to take them in one place.

        Quote: Bumblebee_3
        At one time, our aircraft, including civilian ones, were no worse than American

        not familiar with this topic and therefore can’t say anything

        Well, I would like more integration into the global economy, because then any actions against the Russian Federation will greatly affect the side that applies sanctions. It’s like China, which can afford to swing rights, because the United States may not suffer weakly from a trade war with it.
        Well, relations with Europe should be better so that they cooperate more with the Russian Federation than with the States.
        But okay, these are my dreams))), but for now, just one disappointment.
        1. Bumblebee_3
          Bumblebee_3 April 11 2018 10: 44
          0
          Vladislav, "for again the technology will rise in price" And on what basis is this rise in price? Here the authorities, it would be time to "apply power." For a new revolution and the committees of the poor, I do not call. There is such a thing as nationalization. Agree that our oligarchs became oligarchs during the "voucherization" period. When I read about new "technologies" I always wonder: what was new in the "theory of metal cutting, metal forming" invented in Europe and the USA. Here you can continue for a long time.
          1. NordOst16
            NordOst16 April 11 2018 11: 11
            0
            Quote: Bumblebee_3
            And on what basis is this rise in price?

            on the fact that they buy it for currency.

            Quote: Bumblebee_3
            There is such a thing as nationalization.

            This is if nationalization will be carried out according to the law, and we have that drawback. At the same time, oligarchs have a huge influence on power (sometimes it seems that they are power) and if there is nationalization, this can only end with a fictitious change of surname and the elimination of competitors.

            And besides, the authorities will never go for it because they’ll deprive themselves of themselves, and if they do, they will obviously know that they’ll lose nothing (((
            1. Bumblebee_3
              Bumblebee_3 April 11 2018 11: 29
              0
              Vladislav, you are right in many ways (looking at the realities of today) But I think you should not panic. Honestly, I was very surprised that we are buying apples in Poland. And for the currency. Well, I understand coffee, bananas (their children love), they do not grow with us, but apples ??? I think that the same situation with "technology" - buy, why develop?
              1. NordOst16
                NordOst16 April 11 2018 13: 03
                0
                It’s harder with technologies because no one is usually going to sell them. To steal, well, there is a certain sense, but this is reputational loss (I mean that countries whose technology was stolen will close their markets for these goods, and the US, EU, China markets are huge and this is not profitable for us). It is much more interesting to do as China - your technologies, production too, but all this is in our territory.
                And of course, the development of our own technologies and the market. But here, I probably have more liberal views, because without a certain freedom of action and a guarantee of the supremacy of (at least relative) law, the market will be difficult to develop. But many do not agree with this. I also wanted to drag about federalization, but that's another topic.

                Quote: Bumblebee_3
                Honestly, I was very surprised that we are buying apples in Poland. And for the currency.

                Yes, there is such a thing because it turned out that after two conversions (buying currency, buying goods and selling goods (indirect reverse conversion of "currency apples")) this scheme is more profitable. Often, they cannot take advantage of us because of the lack of technology, internal resistance (yes, I'm talking about the corruption component) and the infrastructure left over from the Soviet era, because before apples hit the counter they must be stored in warehouses with a carbon dioxide atmosphere (because in such conditions they deteriorate more slowly), transfer, store at distribution bases, where they will be bought by food chains, taken to their warehouses and only then apples will go to the counter and the more efficient this scheme, the cheaper and better the product will be.

                All this requires money and technology, but the main thing is the absence of obstacles from the state (our people are rugged, manage to do interesting things under pressure, and if they don’t put sticks in the wheels, I’m afraid to imagine (in a good way) what the Russian Federation will achieve ) and silence, money love silence. Silence is the absence or minimization of unrest (sanctions, wars, etc.). So you still need to have good relations with the EU and other countries.

                Here I’m probably telling you sedition, but it seems to me that I need to calm down for 10-20 years and get into minimal foreign affairs (like China for example), but it will be difficult for national pride, there will be certain losses in the geopolitical plan (but at the same time I don’t I urge you to completely surrender everything). This can help provide the necessary silence and stability in the Russian economy.

                Even now, the Russian market is large, but we have 140 million people, if the standard of living grows, then people will consume more and the economy will grow even more.
                If transparent conditions are provided for investors (the rule of law) and silence for money, the Russian Federation will become a profitable platform for European (and not only) investors. I think it will be necessary to attract the maximum number of Western technologies (first of all) and investments, but at the same time make a condition, the technologies will be yours, production will not be taken from you either, but only in the Russian Federation and localization (well, I'm not an economist that I’ll take from the bulldozer) should be at least 70% and the higher the percentage of localization, the more tax breaks will be given to these companies.
                - \ -
                On the one hand, the number of taxes will fall, but on the other hand, if it is a high-tech industry, the development of an enterprise of one enterprise will drag other related enterprises along with it because the more high-tech a product is, the more it is necessary to cooperate for its production and, therefore, due to a small tax reduction one enterprise can increase the overall yield, which more than offset the benefits.

                Moreover, in order for production in the Russian Federation to be profitable, it is necessary to impose duties on imports from producer countries (China, Malaysia, etc.) so that their cost price is not lower, i.e. the difference in the cost of labor to cover due to duties, but the main thing is not to close the import at all.
                - \ -
                It seems to me, on the one hand, this will allow us to develop production in the Russian Federation, and on the other, it will not allow manufacturers to relax on the territory of the Russian Federation and they did not think "there are no competitors and they will devour it." Constant pressure from imports will stimulate the development and optimization of technologies at Russian enterprises, but at the same time, duties will not flood the Russian market with cheap goods. For, it seems to me, competition is a very useful thing.

                We can say that with such a development, the Russian economy will be more dependent on the desire of foreign investors, yes, but at the same time an attempt to hit or strangle the Russian economy will lead to enormous losses in Western countries, which will be an ice shower for all eagles. At the same time, since the production will be on the territory of the Russian Federation, it will be possible to nationalize them “gently” - to ensure the further production of the necessary goods, but at the same time all arrived (after tax) to send to special accounts of the parent companies. How would we need your goods, but we do not intend to steal your technology and money. I think such a policy will make investors feel that their assets are working in a safe place.

                And only when the economy of the Russian Federation is commensurate with the economy of the United States and China, for example 70-80% of the size of the US economy, we can already swing our rights. Moreover, in addition to a strong army, we can rely on a strong economy and offer countries not only protection with Russian weapons, but also development (the main thing is that the money is not forgiven but invested profitably and they returned with interest).

                I’m far from an economist and these are my humble thoughts, well, it seems to me like this should be done)))
      2. igor.borov775
        igor.borov775 April 11 2018 12: 23
        +1
        DOESN'T RECEIVE, There is no complete cycle of most industries, No wonder they pray for import substitution, Our largest companies will never agree to this, The reason is simple, Imported products are much cheaper than ours, The capitalist always takes into account the benefits, The Chinese capitalists help their economies, By the way, by looking at I’m fussing with turbines, they have adopted new rules for the competition for participation in the struggle for state orders, More than 20% of foreign shares out of the fight are gone, RBC last year was very worried about inflation and the disruption of orders and many other troubles, for 4 months everything has been working we don’t study, and they Chinese learn even from the mistakes of others, And we have only victories in the box, but in reality no one will say
        1. Bumblebee_3
          Bumblebee_3 April 11 2018 13: 03
          +1
          igor.borov775 (IGOR)
          "Imported products are much cheaper than ours." Why? Our electricity is more expensive, our hard workers are paid in the USA, are our components more expensive than in the USA or Europe? Or does it all come down to the greed of our "manegers" who want money "here, now and more"? Yes, the Chinese are doing the right thing, by the way, they are shooting corrupt officials, which I think is right. In fact, yesterday I bought pickled mushrooms - mushrooms. Made in China! I am sure that now they will point me to the site "done with us."
  18. mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov April 11 2018 09: 10
    +4
    There is no limit to obscurantism, and we will not until we take the pose of the offended damsel in response to their outrage, they say, our answer will scare off investors, as if their sanctions from investors have not been scared off already, they say, the sanctions are contrary to the spirit of trade, etc., etc. . - but to expose their machinations is not enough - it is necessary to disrupt their plans. Oh, what can we answer me? Very much, the fact is that the financial market is a very nervous part of the economy. In 2008, the collapse of two not-so-large American firms led to a market crash. So, if you try, you can provoke it. But we are part of the global economy - therefore, we ourselves will suffer. Therefore, we must stop being a part of it, because as a part we are under attack. We do not need such a market. Once we are crushed by the market, we need to either put on our underpants or remove the cross. Ah technology does not recognize, object to me? Technology will have to be developed by ourselves, an example of the creation of an atomic bomb has been shown, and if you can’t develop it, you can steal the technology. Ah, I don’t have to rest in the West, they will object to me - there are a lot of beautiful places for such in Siberia.
    1. Zubr
      Zubr April 11 2018 09: 46
      +1
      It's just too lazy for most to do it. It is necessary to invest in such an industry as science, education, long-term projects. It will begin to bring returns at least in 5-10 years. Private business is not interested, they need profit now and a lot.
  19. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov April 11 2018 09: 17
    +2
    Also me a newton binom! They built us into their financial system in the 90s ... suckers! For the sake of interest, I read a couple of their books about their Debt Financial System. This is a fraudulent financial pyramid where they print money, not even money - zeros in the computer, and they buy everything from us. We give them gas - they are toe us. We give them rocket engines - they are our toe! And we immediately invest in their debt obligations ... "The system is like that!"
    In general, it's all sad! You cannot defeat a sharpie by playing with his speckled cards! And we are trying to do just that! Only your own financial system independent of them! Yes, and it is not given to invent a wheel, as in the USSR!
    I hope only that Putin’s silence on this topic means that he is preparing a financial surprise for our Western "partners" ..
    1. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov April 11 2018 10: 12
      +1
      Denis Obukhov. I hope only that Putin’s silence on this topic means that he is preparing a financial surprise for our Western "partners". Unfortunately I do not believe it, most likely he lives in some fictional world. which his sneaks created for him.
  20. pogon
    pogon April 11 2018 09: 25
    0
    Quote: mikh-korsakov
    on their chaos
    But what about "More sanctions, good and different!" you asked and they are right there. And after all, they haven’t started seriously yet.
    1. Zubr
      Zubr April 11 2018 09: 38
      +2
      We allow this for now, if we start seriously, you will be looking for the fifth corner for a long time.
    2. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov April 11 2018 10: 18
      +2
      Under socialism, it never occurred to anyone to impose sanctions, say, against Uralmash. A way out for us would be to leave the external financial market. Printing wrappers with internal circulation. As for technology, do not flatter yourself. will develop. and what we can’t - we’ll steal. We’ll send the opposition to explore natural resources — there’s nothing to do with stupid things. Are you pushing us to this? Russia is a self-sufficient country. And there do what you want. You are speaking like a monkey with a grenade, but it is said in scripture; a monkey with a grenade is not a monkey problem. a zoo
      1. kipod
        kipod April 11 2018 10: 22
        +1
        Quote: mikh-korsakov
        Under socialism, it never occurred to anyone to impose sanctions, say, against Uralmash.

        Under the USSR, sanctions were imposed against the entire country. all the plants belonged to her
        Quote: mikh-korsakov
        As for technology, do not flatter yourself. will develop. and what we can’t - we’ll steal.

        it's so easy to develop, implement. (yes, stolen)
        Quote: mikh-korsakov
        but it is said in scripture; a monkey with a grenade is not a monkey problem. a zoo

        straight and said so? belay
        or is it a translation from english into provincial?
        1. mikh-korsakov
          mikh-korsakov April 11 2018 10: 29
          +2
          And we will develop, and implement, and steal, everything is as it should. The USSR, weakened by the war, introduced the atomic bomb in three years, and stole it properly. So do not flatter yourself. You rally the people with your sanctions.
          1. kipod
            kipod April 11 2018 10: 32
            +1
            Quote: mikh-korsakov
            And develop, and implement, and steal, everything is as it should

            Well, you just have to shout --- More sanctions !!!
            Quote: mikh-korsakov
            You rally the people with your sanctions.

            these are not my sanctions.
            1. mikh-korsakov
              mikh-korsakov April 11 2018 11: 09
              0
              Sanctions developers really remind me of a monkey with a grenade. They want to push us out of the global market. The inevitable consequence of this will be authorship. For Russia, due to its natural wealth and enlightened population, this is serious, but not fatal. Yes, the income of the population will fall, but propaganda is also needed to explain to the population who stole his steak from him. Do you want a hungry and evil Russian? Oh well..
      2. pogon
        pogon April 11 2018 11: 08
        0
        Quote: mikh-korsakov
        steal
        Who would doubt it.
        Quote: mikh-korsakov
        We’ll send the opposition to explore natural resources — there’s nothing to do with stupid things. Are you pushing us to this?
        How typical, you are their natural wealth, but uncle is to blame.
  21. DPN
    DPN April 11 2018 09: 40
    0
    We rake the exploits of the traitors Gorbachev and Yeltsin!
  22. canurodes
    canurodes April 11 2018 09: 40
    +1
    Oligarchs to the nail - all assets to Russia or the suitcase station, offshore prison, the natural economy is like Soviet capitalism, we give them oil and raw materials to us - buns, the ruble is tied to gold, the prison is for the circulation of the dollar, the Central Bank is subordinate to the president, you can falsely continue ... and well, friends will be nightmares for a long time
    1. someoneV
      someoneV April 11 2018 10: 53
      0
      About how "Soviet capitalism" is something. You somehow decide what socialism is. All that you offer is pure fiction and at the same base, open your eyes we generally live under capitalism and the president is not the king.
      1. canurodes
        canurodes April 11 2018 12: 26
        0
        The Chinese model suits you. For example, they even return their runaways home
        "During the sessions of the NPC and CPPCC, the Xi Jinping administration decided to launch the Sky Network 2017 operation ahead of schedule in order to liquidate offshore companies and the shadow banking system ......"
  23. Rostislav
    Rostislav April 11 2018 09: 54
    +2
    What does obscurantism have to do with it?
    There is a war against Russia, while only 2 components are involved - information and economic. During the hot war, propaganda and the desire to undermine the enemy’s economy always played an important role — in vain, did the factories bomb so diligently?
    How long Russia will hide its head in the sand, like an ostrich, refusing to admit the obvious, mocking Trump’s boor (recall at least his statement about “the animal Assad”), lying insolents from the island (still under the supervision of the Gods and the patience of the GDP), and fascists from the country of 404 "partners"?
    It is time to already admit the obvious and stop crying about the "betrayal" of the West.
    Only friends can betray, and when was the west a friend of Russia? And during the war, they do not pay attention to the cries of the enemy.
    1. someoneV
      someoneV April 11 2018 11: 05
      +1
      You forget one thing about the collapse of the USSR and how this elite sought to join the Western "values", well, now they’ve joined. The West makes them understand or "bow" to their master or get what they deserve. Therefore, they don’t answer because there are no resources , no will.
  24. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad April 11 2018 09: 54
    +1
    You need to be naive idiots to the government, so as not to anticipate all these intrigues of the "partners".
  25. Golovan Jack
    Golovan Jack April 11 2018 10: 01
    +3
    ... a complete ban on any financial transactions related to the public debt of Russia, in addition, transactions with securities issued by the Central Bank, the National Wealth Fund and the Federal Treasury may be subject to restrictions ...

    ... this will especially please creditors (holders of securities) of the Central Bank and others mentioned.
    If you owe a ruble, this is your problem. If you owe a million - that's the lender's problem

    We stock up on seeds, wait for the continuation ...
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat April 11 2018 11: 30
      0
      If you were engaged in "securities", you should know the rule not to keep in your "portfolio" more than 25% of risky securities out of these 25% should not be more than 5% of securities of countries to which sanction pressure is applied. This is usually what all investors in Russian securities do, holding no more than 4-5%. Russian government bonds were mainly bought by Russian funds or Western funds by order of Russian holders. In 2015-2016, Western investors got rid of most Russian assets and securities .. So that the loss for Western holders will be minimal, but Russian holders will lose a lot.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack April 11 2018 13: 29
        +1
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        If you were involved in "securities" ...

        No. And I do not plan.
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        Western investors in 2015-2016 got rid of most Russian assets and securities

        You can believe it, you can - no ... it’s too painful for a "broad approach" - "Western investors ..." (all?), "From the majority ..." (???). About nothing request
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        the loss for Western holders will be minimal, but Russian holders will lose a lot

        See above. Knowing your, um, bias - I do not believe wink
  26. Clueless
    Clueless April 11 2018 10: 31
    +2
    Quote: Bumblebee_3
    At one time, our aircraft, including civilian ones, were no worse than the American ones, and our Volga GAZ-21 was not inferior in anything.


    First, technology has leaped forward a long time ago, new machine tools are needed for new technological machines, etc.
    The second is gas-21 and compare the American of those times, there were already machine guns in the cars.
    Third - the economy cannot exist without trade with other countries
    1. Bumblebee_3
      Bumblebee_3 April 11 2018 11: 17
      +1
      Clueless
      "First, technology has leaped forward a long time ago, new machine tools are needed for new technological machines, etc."
      Who forbids you to develop new machines, technological machines?
      "The second is gas-21 and compare the American of those times, there were already machine guns in the cars." I agree, but now cars without a “machine gun” are produced. Does this indicate technology backwardness?
      "Third, an economy cannot exist without trade with other countries." Again, I agree, only the "real owner" first of all thinks about himself. Surplus goes to the market.
  27. Clueless
    Clueless April 11 2018 11: 17
    0
    Quote: someoneV
    You forget one thing about the collapse of the USSR and how this elite sought to join the Western "values", well, now they’ve joined. The West makes them understand or "bow" to their master or get what they deserve. Therefore, they don’t answer because there are no resources , no will.


    The elite always (!!!) strive somewhere. Therefore, the elite creates conditions where the elite is most comfortable, and she is less confident that they will not be put on a pitchfork by the people (USA, Europe), or she is trying to dump the protection of another elite (the same Baltic states as an example).
    In our country, the elite rushes between these two points - for the first is more difficult, and the second is simpler, but they will lose in money.
    And in the end, the people are starting to get angry, especially the Kemerovo events showed how the same elites relate to the people, and to whom they are ready to report, and to whom they consider below their dignity.

    Now the elites are generally doing what is contraindicated, it is criminal in relation to Russia. You can’t introduce another nonsense from taxes, or censorship on the Internet without giving the people nothing in return.
    By the way, on this topic there is an interesting article on the Tape - where the answer is given why officials do not understand the people. Briefly, officials communicate with officials, moreover, since our government is not particularly elective, they have no competition and therefore they don’t need to communicate with the people, they just don’t know what the people want and what the norm is for the people and what causes anger is ultimately the people. From this, all of their statements from the series are "apologies to Putin, or pensioners do not know how to save pensions, congratulations to women on the anniversary of the terrorist attack in St. Petersburg, etc."
  28. Clueless
    Clueless April 11 2018 11: 30
    0
    Quote: Bumblebee_3
    Clueless
    "First, technology has leaped forward a long time ago, new machine tools are needed for new technological machines, etc."
    Who forbids you to develop new machines, technological machines?
    "The second is gas-21 and compare the American of those times, there were already machine guns in the cars." I agree, but now cars without a “machine gun” are produced. Does this indicate technology backwardness?
    "Third, an economy cannot exist without trade with other countries." Again, I agree, only the "real owner" first of all thinks about himself. Surplus goes to the market.

    You're as straightforward as my first ex :)
    Like go and develop a CNC machine, it's so simple :)))
    Machines without an automatic machine are probably already considered as technology backwardness in a decade, therefore a variator is put on a minimum for normal machines in order to successfully sell it somehow. The mechanics are even removed from sports cars, because the modern automatic is more economical and more convenient. By the way, we have all the machines that are put on our cars from behind a hill. Actually, like the VAZ, Renault-Nissan is now mainly owned.
    Surplus to the market ... you do not compare us with China, where the domestic market is several billion people, and we have 140 million, this is too little.
    1. Bumblebee_3
      Bumblebee_3 April 11 2018 11: 50
      +1
      Clueless
      "Like go and design a CNC machine, it's so easy :)"
      I didn’t offer you this. The USSR produced quite a few CNC machines, up to the OTs. Where did these developments go? Not long ago, I saw working machines 1K62 with NTs-31. Still work!
      Regarding the mechanics and machine guns in cars, disputes between drivers go on without stopping. To whom it is more convenient.
      Approximately the same debate is that diesel or gasoline is better. The fact that the VAZ belongs to Renault, I think this is bad. Tomorrow, machine guns from behind the hill will cease to be transported and what, we will stand! Has the Mistral experience taught anything? Not about Siemens turbines?
  29. Andrey Panov
    Andrey Panov April 11 2018 12: 25
    0
    The only way out is for states to receive losses comparable to ours, and no matter what way! Otherwise, they will not be left behind.
  30. igor.borov775
    igor.borov775 April 11 2018 12: 31
    0
    Quote: Denis Obukhov
    In general, it's all sad! You cannot defeat a sharpie by playing with his speckled cards! And we are trying to do just that! Only your own financial system independent of them! Yes, and it is not given to invent a wheel, as in the USSR!

    Why the USSR, that there are no other examples, take an interest in Japan, the Central Bank is state-owned, but it works like clockwork and dances, there are very harsh laws, The state structures overseeing the market will arbitrarily ruin the price,
  31. Normal ok
    Normal ok April 11 2018 15: 39
    0
    US ready to introduce regular sanctions. Is there a limit to obscurantism?

    So, sanctions are a blessing for Russia. Why take a steam bath? Yes Meehan?
  32. ex_paragon
    ex_paragon April 12 2018 02: 03
    +1
    I think it’s necessary to wet. All my experience says it
  33. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 April 12 2018 23: 58
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    Aliens from the Cabinet of Ministers of the Russian Federation will again tell us on “Rain” and “RBC” about volatility. Why are we sponsoring another galaxy?
    PS Aliens - this is from yesterday’s discussion of the actions of our economizers (from the government’s l / s, of course). I really liked the name of these pretzels, which should, rolling up their sleeves and wrinkling their foreheads, harness this seconds against sanctions. So no, they ran skipping to tell us that there was no money, and we had to hold on, and it was imperative to help the bourgeois.
    PPS Bourgeois are Deripaska's diverse, if anyone in the government is still frankly blunt.