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Naftogaz: Nord Stream-2 loses lamb curls

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The Ukrainian company "Naftogaz" said that the loss of the Ukrainian economy in the event of termination of the transit of Russian gas will be about 3,5 billion dollars a year. From the statement of the Chairman of the Board of Naftogaz, Andrei Kobolev:


Somewhere 2-3% of GDP, it will be very painful.


At the same time, Kobolev clearly did not take into account the fact that Ukraine, if Russia refuses to use Ukrainian transit, will have to buy gas, for example, in Europe already at completely different prices - taking into account its transportation, for example, through the Turkish Stream gas pipeline that continues to be built.

Meanwhile, on the Naftogaz Facebook page, they expressed satisfaction with the statement made by German Chancellor Angela Merkel. According to Merkel, the issue of the construction of the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline can be finally resolved with all European partners only in case of certainty with the Ukrainian transit. Merkel in Ukraine perceived this statement as her desire to “fully support Ukrainian transit.” At the same time, the “Nord Stream-2” in Naftogaz was called “a wolf in sheep's clothing, who began to lose the curls of the lamb”.

Naftogaz: Nord Stream-2 loses lamb curls


Naftogaz:
Good news from Berlin. Angela Merkel, for the first time, publicly acknowledged the existence of a political component in the Nord Stream-2 (...) project. Nord Stream-2 ceases to call even its traditional supporters a purely commercial matter. He is rapidly losing the curls of the lamb, from which its true essence emerges: the geopolitical weapon Kremlin directed against Europe.


Against this background, it became known that Naftogaz is preparing a new lawsuit against Gazprom for the fact that (quote) "does not execute the decisions of the Stockholm arbitration."
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  1. Irek
    Irek April 11 2018 07: 35
    +22
    "Horse racing" is expensive, but overseas can help. ..
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee April 11 2018 07: 39
      +5
      They just stuck the pipe, and now they will start up the gas! (shale)
      1. Serge Gorely
        Serge Gorely April 11 2018 07: 51
        +3
        Doctor, give pills for greed. Just a bigger doctor, a bigger one !!!!!
        1. GRF
          GRF April 11 2018 09: 22
          0
          It is necessary to introduce a coefficient of loyalty to the gas price. So that within the country the price tends to the cost price, and to the enemies the coefficient inflates the price multiple times. Then, inside the country, production will be enemies more competitive than that of China. It will be simply expensive to offend Russia.
          Equalizing gas prices for all vary mainly due to transportation costs, a huge concession to the west.

          And how S. Mikhalkov turns out:
          Well, please, well, buy gas from us, otherwise you will be cold ...
          Does a cow give a lot of milk?
          It's time to change the rules or the seller ...

          And develop infrastructure
          piping with friends and not with potential enemies.
          And for the liquefaction of gas for Poland there are all sorts ...
          1. Orionvit
            Orionvit April 11 2018 13: 29
            0
            Quote: GRF
            and for the enemies, the coefficient inflated the price

            Dear comrade, you are forgetting one "trifle", namely the existence of world gas prices. If Russia raises prices, there will immediately be countries that have this gas to a fig and which they will offer cheaper, albeit liquefied. Russia holds Europe for Faberge, solely due to the relative cheapness of its gas.
            1. Evgeniy667b
              Evgeniy667b April 12 2018 11: 07
              0
              Orionvit Why did you decide that it is Russia that sells gas? Sold by "Gazprom", a company located in the Russian Federation. Gas, yes, Russian, but from what goes abroad, the country and the people will receive a very modest percentage. Nowhere have I come across information on rent for the use of subsoil, with the exception of the fact that the Khanty falls a little. In the Emirates, for some reason, it works for the benefit of the population, we only have the Khanty people as an excuse. In general, gas is a national treasure of our people, and a handful of leaders, together with Alexei Miller, with their own selfish interests, manage it, and who is not there among the shareholders? Unfortunately, the owner does not dispose of the wealth, which is why the snickering Europe, and not only, is carrying everything that comes along. Everything is not right for them, but everything is wrong. Those who have access to the feeding trough have only one task for themselves.
              1. Orionvit
                Orionvit April 12 2018 12: 37
                0
                Quote: Evgeniy667b
                Why did you decide that it is Russia that sells gas?

                If you are not aware, then Gazprom is a state-owned enterprise. At least for a controlling stake. And in general, everything that you have written gives off a utopia, which does not happen in real life and cannot be, especially under capitalism. And your comparisons of Russia with Saudi Arabia are absolutely inappropriate, because everything is different, except for one thing, that some people live there and there.
    2. krops777
      krops777 April 11 2018 07: 59
      +4
      According to Merkel, the issue of building the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline can be finally resolved with all European partners only if the Ukrainian transit is clear.


      While the summer can be pushed around, if Russia manages to complete the Turkish flow and the power of Siberia and also develop the production of LNG, the capacities will be selected, then we will need the ruins and SP2 in figs, I hope the EU understands this, otherwise if a severe winter breaks out, SP2 it will have to be completed on their own and at an accelerated pace.
      1. Scoun
        Scoun April 11 2018 08: 34
        +5
        Quote: krops777
        While the summer is possible and get out, if Russia manages to finish building the Turkish flow and the power of Siberia and also develop the production of LNG, the capacities will be selected, then the GTS ruins and SP2 will be needed in figs, I hope the EU understands this

        +++ everyone understands this, spring has come and to please the United States they are waving ... but they understand perfectly well that you will not be full with slogans.
      2. Zefr
        Zefr April 11 2018 10: 19
        0
        << then we will need the ruins of the GTS and SP2 in figs >>
        Us?
    3. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be April 11 2018 09: 07
      +1
      The chicken laid the golden eggs, and they took and ate the chicken itself.
      .Here and think - who are they?
      1. Orionvit
        Orionvit April 11 2018 13: 33
        0
        Quote: To be or not to be
        The chicken laid the golden eggs, and they took and ate the chicken itself.
        .Here and think - who are they?

        They are ideologically consistent, Svidomo Ukrainians. That in itself has long been a diagnosis.
  2. ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii April 11 2018 07: 36
    +7
    And why are they happy, then you can leave the SP-2, and forget about the rusty one and no one will even twitch.
    1. novel66
      novel66 April 11 2018 07: 41
      +5
      Vitaliy, hi hi how is it why they are happy? Merkel sent them a kiss, love means he still loves!
      1. ul_vitalii
        ul_vitalii April 11 2018 08: 02
        +5
        Roma, hello hi smile How little they need, they were sipped, they purred. smile
  3. Same lech
    Same lech April 11 2018 07: 37
    +2
    Naftogaz is preparing a new claim against Gazprom for the fact that it (quote) "does not comply with the decisions of the Stockholm Arbitration."


    Here are freeloaders ... they have always been ... they want Russia to pay for the Russian gas to the Kiev regime.
    Western countries dream of returning to the times of the 90s when Russia itself paid for its humiliation and self-destruction ...
    this will not be.
    It is necessary to force the USA and its satellites to pay in full out of their own pockets for all the dirty tricks against RUSSIA out of their own pockets ... and they do not like this very much.
    1. novel66
      novel66 April 11 2018 07: 42
      +3
      but how can you make the fuck? they have all the courts and arbitration in their pocket
      1. Same lech
        Same lech April 11 2018 07: 46
        +2
        they have all the courts and arbitration in their pocket

        So you need to apply to the Basmanny Court of Moscow ... he will then impose a recovery from NAFTOGAZ of Ukraine and the Stockholm Arbitration 100% compensation for damage to our country in three times
        1. Sam_gosling
          Sam_gosling April 11 2018 07: 54
          +1
          The Basmanny Court is not provided for by the contractual jurisdiction of international contracts at all. Like any Russian courts.
          1. Same lech
            Same lech April 11 2018 08: 01
            +2
            Like any Russian courts.


            This does not prevent the courts of Ukraine from imposing multibillion-dollar fines on Russia ... although they have no grounds for this under international law ... smile as they say they knock out a wedge by a wedge ... let's play with KIEV in the same game.
    2. 210ox
      210ox April 11 2018 07: 46
      +1
      Well, what about freeloaders ... "According to the same Gazprom, it is necessary to accumulate funds to pay fines. This tragicomedy will last at least a year. And if we manage to bend ours, then for all the time.
      Quote: The same Lech
      Naftogaz is preparing a new claim against Gazprom for the fact that it (quote) "does not comply with the decisions of the Stockholm Arbitration."


      Here are freeloaders ... they have always been ... they want Russia to pay for the Russian gas to the Kiev regime.
      Western countries dream of returning to the times of the 90s when Russia itself paid for its humiliation and self-destruction ...
      this will not be.
      It is necessary to force the USA and its satellites to pay in full out of their own pockets for all the dirty tricks against RUSSIA out of their own pockets ... and they do not like this very much.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech April 11 2018 08: 02
        +1
        It will be bad if GAZPROM follows the lead of these blackmailers ... it is clear that in case of success, the Kiev regime will continue blackmail with new forces and requests.
        1. captain
          captain April 11 2018 08: 16
          +2
          Lord, why do we need such brothers? They were given the land (the whole Southeast) along with people, gas was sold at a low price, we were buying their products. They don’t touch us as if they were going to their country house, they are forced to politely respond to rudeness (police, border guards, customs officers and other public services), etc. In vain Putin did not allow to reach Odessa.
  4. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch April 11 2018 07: 38
    +3
    "Man, buy a brick .." it's called. Ukrovsky transit is not needed, but the interests of Naftogaz must be taken into account. Why would it be interesting. Already the amounts are announced.
    Not a penny to the hicks, get out, you idiots. Let them try to squeeze it from the merkelshi.
  5. Sergey985
    Sergey985 April 11 2018 07: 38
    +1
    Merkel has already issued all construction permits for JV2. Now you can make any statements in support of the potheads with a clear conscience.
    1. AID.S
      AID.S April 11 2018 08: 01
      +3
      Quote: Sergey985
      Merkel has already issued all construction permits for JV2.

      I gave it today, took it tomorrow. Or maybe they will allow it to be completed, and then banned or imposed by directives. If they make a political decision. And the feeling is that everything goes to this.
      1. your1970
        your1970 April 11 2018 08: 16
        +1
        Quote: AID.S
        Or maybe they will allow it to be completed, and then banned or imposed by directives. If they make a political decision.
        - and if then the tap is closed for "preventive maintenance"?
      2. Sergey985
        Sergey985 April 11 2018 09: 01
        0
        Will not take. Who will refuse the main gas manager? Superfluous leverage will not be. The Germans are already rubbing their sweaty palms.
      3. Polite Moose
        Polite Moose April 11 2018 09: 11
        +2
        Quote: AID.S
        I gave it today, took it tomorrow. Or maybe they will allow it to be completed, and then banned or imposed by directives. If they make a political decision. And the feeling is that everything goes to this.

        I share your point of view. Now Merkelsha has taken a wait-and-see attitude. Everything will be decided in the near future in Syria. If the shafts are "wrapped up" for us, then there will be no joint venture, and there won't be much. And if Trump gets blown away, as in the case of Eung, the Germans along the pipeline will whitewash the trees at their own expense.
    2. NKT
      NKT April 11 2018 08: 18
      +1
      Germany and Finland issued, and there were still: Denmark and Sweden. There are no problems with the second one, but if the first one fails, then we will bypass it + 10-15 km.
    3. kipod
      kipod April 11 2018 09: 04
      0
      Quote: Sergey985
      Merkel has already issued all construction permits for JV2. Now you can make any statements in support of the potheads with a clear conscience.

      Merkel said unequivocally yesterday
      “I indicated that the implementation of the Nord Stream 2 project»Without a clear understanding of the future role of Ukrainian transit, from our point of view, it is impossible"- said Merkel.

      “I, of course, listened very carefully to the Ukrainian concerns. As a result of yesterday's telephone conversation with the Russian president, I said that we must not allow a situation in which, due to Nord Stream 2, Ukraine will lose all significance in the transit of gas. I made it clear that the project, from our point of view, cannot be implemented until the role of Ukraine in the further transit of gas is known. It follows from this that Nord Stream is not only an economic project, political factors must also be taken into account. " Further: https://news.rambler.ru/politics/39583196/?utm_co
      ntent = rnews & utm_medium = read_more & utm_sour
      ce = copylink
      1. miner
        miner April 11 2018 09: 15
        0
        Experts from all sides say that transit will remain in the amount of 10-15 billion cubic meters, not for the first year)
        1. Lena Petrova
          Lena Petrova April 11 2018 10: 49
          0
          And money from this, only for the maintenance of the pipe. Well, hard workers for a salary. But the well-being of the people is the main task of the authorities.
  6. Simon
    Simon April 11 2018 07: 42
    +1
    Against this background, it became known that Naftogaz is preparing a new lawsuit against Gazprom for the fact that (quote) "does not execute the decisions of the Stockholm arbitration."
    Yes, send them somewhere in ...! And it's over wink
    1. novel66
      novel66 April 11 2018 09: 30
      +2
      So. why should you run? You can take your time before considering the appeal, I understand. I want money ..
  7. shinobi
    shinobi April 11 2018 07: 56
    +1
    Freebie is such a drug, known since primitive times. The very first and most powerful. You get used to it instantly. Ukraine is a drug addict. And behaves like a drug addict. And you should treat the ruin like a drug addict.
  8. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 11 2018 08: 01
    +1
    After 2019, I think it is unnecessary, if it lasts that way, it will be counted in full. angry
  9. Vard
    Vard April 11 2018 08: 22
    0
    Ukraine is like that grandmother ... sitting on a bench and screaming ... being raped! To the question ... What are you doing ... the answer ... You can't even dream!
  10. bald
    bald April 11 2018 08: 52
    0
    Well, and the EU will remain to warm its asses with curls of lamb.
  11. Strashila
    Strashila April 11 2018 08: 54
    +1
    Naftogaz is preparing a new lawsuit against Gazprom for the fact that it (quote) "does not comply with the decisions of the Stockholm Arbitration" ... a claim for non-execution of a decision that has not entered into force ... cool ... new in jurisprudence.
  12. Helmsman
    Helmsman April 11 2018 08: 55
    0
    Apparently, Ukraine is waiting for the Baltic option, with the construction of a number of LNGP terminals with credit funds. This idea has already been voiced in the government. It remains to find a sponsor / s and looking after the cut of funds. In any case, the Kiev regime will not be left behind, and no one is even going to think about the population.
  13. CAT BAIYUN
    CAT BAIYUN April 11 2018 08: 55
    +1
    the issue of building the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline can be finally resolved with all European partners only in the case of certainty with the Ukrainian transit.

    Well .. And where did the horses get the idea that they would decide in their favor? Well, they will decide and determine that the Ukrainian transit is not needed at all ... Maybe? Easy! Is there a political component? Well, maybe there is .... So why rejoice?
    They continue to hang noodles on their ears and to everyone who is ready to listen to these nonsense ...
    go on, go on, jump up ...
  14. jncnfdybr
    jncnfdybr April 11 2018 09: 07
    0
    Well Duc summer is coming, everyone is getting cool. But summer is not eternal. That then they will sing. Again, "screw it on."
  15. Shurale
    Shurale April 11 2018 09: 40
    0
    "" At the same time, Kobolev clearly did not take into account the fact that Ukraine, in case Russia refuses to use Ukrainian transit, will have to buy gas, for example, in Europe at completely different prices "
    If anyone doesn’t know, then it’s really cheaper for Ukrainians to buy even reverse gas, Russia had such prices for the “brothers” ...
    1. reservist
      reservist April 11 2018 12: 52
      +2
      If in the subject, then voice the real price tags, pls.
  16. konstantin68
    konstantin68 April 11 2018 09: 50
    0
    Quote: novel xnumx
    Vitaliy, hi hi how is it why they are happy? Merkel sent them a kiss, love means he still loves!

    Merkel told them what she had to say. the fact is that the functioning of the gas transportation system of Ukraine makes at least some sense when "pumping" at least 40-45 billion cubic meters. m. With the implementation of the joint venture-2, and the "Turkish Stream" transit through Ukraine, of course, will remain .... at the level of 15-20 billion cubic meters. and this is tantamount to the fact that he is not. Even, in a sense, it is even worse - obligations to transit partners will require an upgrade of the GTS, and the numbers there are simply unrealistic. And the investor will not come, it makes sense to invest in the "dead" GTS, if it is easier to become a shareholder in new projects of "Gazprom". The circle is complete.
  17. konstantin68
    konstantin68 April 11 2018 09: 59
    +2
    Quote: Shurale
    If anyone doesn’t know, then it’s really cheaper for Ukrainians to buy even reverse gas, Russia had such prices for the “brothers” ...

    Are you really? in 2017, the price of "European gas" for Ukraine was $ 215 on average, and $ 200 for Russian. These 6-8% are operators' margins (read intermediaries). This is so offhand. Plus, there were still discounts for Ukraine, which the Arbitration did not cancel. What are you writing about above?
  18. prior
    prior April 11 2018 10: 33
    0
    Miller, stop hoping that Russia has never violated treaty obligations.
    America, for example, turned the UN and all international law at the causal place.
    Close the transit valve through Ukraine. And instead of discussing whether to allow or not to allow the Nord Stream, the Germans will start laying it tomorrow. And you won't have to pay for transit.
  19. Berkut24
    Berkut24 April 11 2018 11: 28
    +2
    It seems to me that we will soon get tired of this European madhouse. And it may happen that Russia will refuse from SP-2, and from Ukraine too. Losses for Russia will not be catastrophic, because prices for SP-1 gas will jump to the level of American shale, twice. Especially against the background of the resulting total gas shortage. And in this deficit, in addition to the unnecessary pipe, Ukraine will have the problem of lack of gas imports, even at a scrap price.
    As a result, we will begin to sell more coal, and energy prices will begin to kill production in Europe, gradually transferring it to other countries, including Russia. We will only have to raise import duties on European goods in order to maintain a positive trade balance.
    And then Merkel can twirl her feminine unexpected variability as much as she wants.