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Russian economy under attack

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Exchange rates against the Russian ruble continued to grow. So, for the first time in more than a year and a half, the euro came close to 75 rubles, the dollar rose almost to 60,5 rubles. Thus, the daily growth of European and American currencies amounted to 4,13% and 3,7% against the ruble, respectively. This is a record daily increase from 2016 of the year.


At the same time, it must be stated that on the eve the American dollar has significantly increased in relation to other world currencies - the Japanese yen, the British pound sterling, the Swiss franc.

For 9 April, the MICEX and RTS indices went down, the indices of almost all the main Russian industry sectors. It is noteworthy that the fall did not affect only high-tech industries, one of which is engineering. Thus, the machine-building index, against the background of a general decline, showed an increase of about 0,9%.

But at the same time, the financial sector sank by almost 10%, the energy sector by 7%, the metallurgy sector by 10,6% (including well-known reasons with the company Rusal, and more precisely with its owner), the telecommunications sector by 7%, oil and gas - on 5 with excess percent, the sector of chemistry and petrochemistry - on 3,85%, consumer - on 4,93%.

Russian economy under attack


The cost of shares of some Russian companies for the day fell by a third. Against this background, attention is drawn to the substantial increase in the capitalization of investment groups, many of which use the subsidence of the market in order to invest at the minimum and earn the maximum.
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  1. Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 April 10 2018 06: 35
    +9
    Mda Was yesterday - really shocked by what was happening on the exchanges! If - leave unanswered, it will only - worse, and we will really feel it on our own "pockets"! The question is how to answer ....
    Here - Everything is more complicated, we can give a full answer, only by force of arms! Apparently - it's time ...
    1. Alexander 3
      Alexander 3 April 10 2018 06: 39
      +2
      I want to believe that this is a temporary phenomenon.
      1. The comment was deleted.
        1. Thrall
          Thrall April 10 2018 06: 54
          +47
          Let's throw off Deripaska’s poverty smile
          A good oligarch is a person who has served time for theft and has returned all his capital to the people.
          And your Old Man, even several years ago, bent your Karimov for trying to steal from Belaruskali. Remember his top manager Baumgertner, who tried to sit “leg by foot” in front of our minister, and as a result, before reaching the airport, he sat down for real. smile
          1. Metallurg_2
            Metallurg_2 April 10 2018 07: 08
            +5
            Adjusted for our reality, the last paragraph looks like this:

            A good oligarch is someone who has served time for theft and has unsubscribed all his capital to Sechin (a hint of Yukos).
          2. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack April 10 2018 07: 14
            +11
            Quote: Thrall
            A good oligarch is a person who has served time for theft and has returned all his capital to the people.

            Here it is not necessary ... to the people. "People" - this is anyone, in translation. As a result, there will be neither an oligarch (which is good), nor capital (which, of course ... is not very good).
            Something like this request
            1. Monos
              Monos April 10 2018 08: 27
              +6
              substantial growth capitalization of investment groups

              On this, sobssno, it would be possible to close the topic, but I want to add that it is impossible to win the World Cup by playing hockey.
              1. Freeman
                Freeman April 10 2018 15: 09
                +1
                Monos (Victor) Today, 08:27
                it is impossible to win the world cup playing hockey.

                But the chess championship - you can! laughing
                - Coward does not play hockey!
            2. Stas157
              Stas157 April 10 2018 08: 40
              +4
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Here it is not necessary ... to the people. "People" - this is anyone, in translation.

              Well, the oligarchs also think so, they say let all the riches belong to them, than to this "nobody".
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack April 10 2018 08: 46
                +10
                Quote: Stas157
                ligarchs also think so, they say let all the riches belong to them than to this "nobody"

                So what? Oligarchs, at least, are not dumber than you. Otherwise - if you are so smart - why are you so poor (s)?
                1. Stas157
                  Stas157 April 10 2018 10: 32
                  +8
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  So what? Oligarchs, at least, are not dumber than you. Otherwise - if you are so smart - why are you so poor (s)?

                  Silly, not silly - a debatable issue. And the fact that they are stealing and more cunning, schemes, moves, they know who to give a bribe to is a fact! Do not forget that our economy is sick with monopoly and corruption, social elevators do not work, a high position in society is inherited, and acquaintance, and not by intelligence and business qualities.
                  And then we are poor 20-30 million! Have you really ranked them all as fools? Although to some extent, yes! Once endure a yoke on the neck. Here you are for example.
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack April 10 2018 10: 34
                    +10
                    Quote: Stas157
                    debatable question

                    Blah blah blah...
                    Quote: Stas157
                    high status in society is inherited, and acquaintance

                    Well, what can I say ... make friends ...
                    Only without mind and business qualities as, ahem, a friend - you are again not interested in anyone.
                    Here's a hitch request
          3. spirit
            spirit April 10 2018 07: 14
            +7
            So we will throw it off) now they want summer residents to impose new taxes and Plato to modernize, People have new oil, so we will fold more than once hi
          4. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 10 2018 07: 23
            +24
            Quote: Thrall
            Let's throw off Deripaska’s poverty

            There are factories behind which Deripaska works for people. But to understand this, you need to understand a little in the economy.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack April 10 2018 07: 38
              +18
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Behind Deripaska there are factories where people work.

              Exactly.
              And by the way - these "factories" not only work on the foreign market.
              And by the way - they also pay taxes to the budget ...
              So - "not everything is so simple" (c) yes
              1. Seaflame
                Seaflame April 10 2018 07: 46
                +3
                If I’m not mistaken, in the same Rusal, less than half of the production goes to the domestic market. Maybe Deripaska will refuse a new cool yacht, but thousands of ordinary people may be unemployed ...
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack April 10 2018 08: 15
                  +9
                  Quote: Seaflame
                  less than half of the production goes to the domestic market

                  So what?
                  Quote: Seaflame
                  Maybe Deripaska will refuse a new cool yacht, but thousands of ordinary people may be unemployed ...

                  And in order not to be without a yacht, Deripaska will dig the earth with his nose, so that he can turn out from under the hammers ...
                  I’m saying that it’s a headache, mainly of Deripaska and his managers.
                  And since the enterprises are somewhere strategic, they are also politicians.
                  Here is such a ... symbiosis wink
            2. Civilian
              Civilian April 10 2018 07: 52
              +6
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              There are factories behind which Deripaska works for people. But to understand this, you need to understand a little in the economy.

              And if you change Deripaska, the factories will stop working? wink
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov April 10 2018 08: 02
                +7
                Quote: Civilian
                And if you change Deripaska, the plants will stop working

                This is Sharikov’s theorem, to take everything away and to divide. In general, your higher education is strongly felt - a carpenter car mechanic wink
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 April 10 2018 08: 49
                  +4
                  Civilian "And if you change Deripaska"
                  And then from the darkness Romanov appears and bang on the head of civilization!
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  your higher education is strongly felt

                  laughing And you do not spoil!
                  good
                2. 11 black
                  11 black April 10 2018 10: 10
                  0
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  This is Sharikov’s theorem, to take everything away and to divide. In general, your higher education is strongly felt - a carpenter car mechanic

                  In fact, the enterprises of Deripaska are mostly self-sufficient. I’m closely connected with the aluminum industry - in my city (In the Urals), two city-forming plants for some reason belong to Moscow. And okay - x with this, so Moscow, being blatantly incompetent in our affairs, is blocking all development for us with a constant "money pump" - we would be able to cope without the "Moscow yoke" in 100 times better - but no, they don’t even let us update the equipment - the head the factory in fact can not do anything without sanction from Moscow, and there the so-called "stupid bureaucrats" who do not understand anything in production and will soon drive both our plants into the grave ... incidentally, related to Deripaska ...
                  And our taxes, OUR enterprises, since the management company in Moscow is also paid to Moscow, is this normal?
                  1. stalkerwalker
                    stalkerwalker April 10 2018 10: 14
                    +2
                    Quote: 11 black
                    Moscow, being blatantly incompetent in our affairs, is blocking all development for us with a constant "money pump"

                    T.N. "MASKVACHI", having come to the enterprises of the whole country, carry out their tasks to the best of their limited capabilities - to replenish the treasury of Moscow. They were never interested in local problems, because there is a factor of "local reign" - I sit on reigning here until a better place is vacated.
                    1. 11 black
                      11 black April 10 2018 10: 31
                      +3
                      Quote: stalkerwalker
                      T.N. "MASKVACHI", having come to the enterprises of the whole country, carry out their tasks to the best of their limited capabilities - to replenish the treasury of Moscow.

                      So if they came in large numbers, they are sitting in their Moscow and receive profit and taxes from our factories.
                      When they come (sometimes this happens) - they give out such pearls at meetings that you want to cry because of their extreme stupidity in our business, which they somehow own (and if you can’t say a word against them, they’ll fire) - they’re like parrots, except for “Raise profit "(to Moscow naturally) they don’t know any words.
                      For the sake of this profit, they do nothing - we work like slaves in galleys, and the money goes to Moscow. Moreover, all the money - even those that are vital to use in the factories themselves, go to Moscow. It’s boiling.
                      I am in no way a supporter of Navalny and the opposition - but this oligarchy is tired of me to the ends of my ears.
                      1. stalkerwalker
                        stalkerwalker April 10 2018 10: 37
                        +1
                        Quote: 11 black
                        I am in no way a supporter of Navalny and the opposition - but this oligarchy is tired of me to the ends of my ears.

                        This is a problem of competence of senior management and the local management apparatus, which ultimately rests on the loyalty and honesty of local personnel.
                        The elections - 2018 showed that the monstrous illiteracy of both the electorate, who supported the aunt-horse, and the candidates themselves. A similar situation in the administrative apparatus is a monstrous lack of competent specialists.
                      2. Dashout
                        Dashout April 10 2018 17: 10
                        +2
                        Quote: 11 black
                        It’s boiling ... zadolbali.

                        Is it probably about UAZ? Yes, the plant used to belong to SUAL (Vekselberg), then went hand in hand. There is a management company in Moscow, but where did it come from? Did Vekselberg do it? Of course it is!
                        You are right that the organizational form in the form of vertically integrated companies has become obsolete! This is true! This enslaving form completely destroys business activity and competition around itself - but it produces local bureaucrats (who, by the way, live well and build palaces for themselves).
                3. Civilian
                  Civilian April 10 2018 16: 52
                  0
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  This is Sharikov’s theorem, to take everything away and to divide. In general, your higher education is strongly felt - a carpenter car mechanic

                  Alexander Romanov, in your arrogantly boorish remark I didn’t see the answer to my question. Therefore, I will allow myself to ask it again, formulating it more accessible for people with a very high "higher education"
                  “If another natural or legal person becomes the owner of Rusal and En +, will the plants stop working? Will the production cease, will people lose their jobs?”
                  Apparently, the Sharikovs seem to be everywhere. I assure you, my surname is different. And nowhere did I propose to “take away” and even more so “divide”. I want to draw your attention to the fact that the sanctions were imposed not against Rusal, but against Mr. Deripaska (or what?) Personally. At least as I understood from the published list.
                  PS By the way, joiners and car mechanics sometimes do more good. Than some "publicists," people do things.
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov April 10 2018 16: 57
                    0
                    Quote: Civilian
                    If another natural or legal person becomes the owner of Rusal and En +, will the factories stop working? Will the production stop, will people lose their jobs? "

                    You have already been answered this question by Golovan Jack
                    1. Civilian
                      Civilian April 10 2018 17: 26
                      0
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      You have already been answered this question by Golovan Jack

                      Thank. Already I see my mistake, Rusal is at the bottom of the list of legal entities.
              2. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack April 10 2018 08: 09
                +16
                Quote: Civilian
                And if you change Deripaska, the factories will stop working?

                If you change Deripaska - under the "sanction" will fall the one for whom "changed".
                Again, "change" do you order?
                It's not Deripaska at all - the trade war, it is ... the trade war request
                1. 11 black
                  11 black April 10 2018 10: 23
                  +1
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  If you change Deripaska - under the "sanction" will fall the one for whom "changed".
                  Again, "change" do you order?
                  It's not Deripaska at all - the trade war, it is ... the trade war

                  And on whose side is the government, legislation and Deripaska himself in it?
                  I don’t think that these three are on the side of all of Russia ... and if so, can I call my country “United” or “Fair” - the language does not turn around.
                  1. sogdy
                    sogdy April 10 2018 13: 27
                    0
                    Quote: 11 black
                    and if so, can I call my country "One" or "Fair" - the language does not turn.

                    This is your own business. What are we doing here?
                2. Civilian
                  Civilian April 10 2018 17: 05
                  0
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  If you change Deripaska - under the "sanction" will fall the one for whom "changed".

                  So it is still necessary to "figure out and arrange" winked
                  And if the owner becomes the Russian Federation?
            3. Kent0001
              Kent0001 April 10 2018 08: 05
              +4
              Well yes. Let the grandmother invest in offshore production. All due to the fact that they sold to the West. Nationalize what is in default.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov April 10 2018 08: 17
                +1
                Quote: Kent0001
                Let the grandmother invest in production offshore

                Give a list of amounts
            4. Tiksi-3
              Tiksi-3 April 10 2018 08: 23
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Behind Deripaska there are factories where people work.

              everything is correct, except for the wording - Deripaska STANDS on people working in the stolen factories of Deripaska ....
            5. Dashout
              Dashout April 10 2018 09: 32
              +6
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              There are factories behind which Deripaska works for people. But to understand this, you need to understand a little in the economy.

              It is, of course. But the main capital under sanction from him, I think, is not in factories. At the beginning of the two thousandth, fixed capital was withdrawn from the factories in a separate structure. The factories, with their old flawed technology of the early twentieth century, remained simply under control without any independence. They simply recycle raw materials and, by the way, throw out millions of tons of "red" sludge (toxic industrial waste). No innovative technological re-equipment activities have been carried out! As I said, the pre-revolutionary method of processing raw materials is also used - the Bayer method.
              Conclusion: a technological upgrade of the aluminum industry is needed. And this can be done at present only in conditions of nationalization.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov April 10 2018 10: 11
                0
                Quote: Dashout
                But the main capital under sanction from him, I think, is not in factories.

                Dear, the information is open. Here is what is behind the name of Deripaska
                Production assets:

                - RUSAL

                - "EuroSibEnergo"

                - En + Downstream

                - SMR

                - En + Coal

                - Construction and real estate

                Assets:

                - OJSC Glavmosstroy (civil engineering design and construction)

                - OAO Glavstroy Development (urban development and redevelopment of industrial zones)

                - PSK "Transstroy" (infrastructure construction)

                - LLC "BaselCement" (production of building materials)

                - LLC Glavstroy-SPb (development, integrated development of territories)

                Financial services
                The basic element business group and Oleg Deripaska’s personal interests include leading companies in the Russian financial services market. Financial sector companies serve customers in Russia, the CIS and Asia. They provide insurance, banking services, commercial equipment leasing services, pension insurance and security.

                Assets: Ingosstrakh Open Insurance Joint-Stock Company (OSAO), Soyuz Bank, Non-government Pension Fund (NPF) Sotsium, Element Leasing LLC.

                Air business
                Basic Element’s aviation business includes Basel Aero, a joint venture of Basic Element, Sberbank, and Changi Airports International. The company "Basel Aero" is the operator of airports in Sochi, Krasnodar, Gelendzhik and Anapa

                Assets:

                Sochi International Airport;

                Krasnodar International Airport;

                Anapa International Airport;

                Gelendzhik International Airport;

                Agribusiness
                AgroHolding Kuban. It is one of the top 20 of the largest agricultural companies and the top 5 of the most efficient land users in Russia.

                Agroholding enterprises:

                Livestock:

                Dairy and pig farms

                Horse Farm "Sunrise"

                Sugar Production:

                - Sugar factory "Freedom"

                Processing and storage of grain:

                - Ust-Labinsky bakery

                - Korenovsky elevator

                Seed Production:

                - Ladoga corn calibration plant

                - Tikhoretsky corn calibration plant

                - Belorechensky seed plant



                RIA Novosti https://ria.ru/spravka/20130711/949068890.html

                This is not an entire list.
            6. Dashout
              Dashout April 10 2018 17: 19
              +4
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Behind Deripaska are the factories where people work.

              Who would doubt it ... You correctly cited one of the pearls as an example - first a unit, and then the Basic Element group of companies.
              Above, I gave an example of an exploited method of producing alumina - this is the Bayer method. Outdated chloride scheme. You will agree with me that the assets of the USSR are simply used in the production of aluminum, and all financial flows are withdrawn. I would agree with you that Deripaska did well, he took plants from the USSR on a fluoride scheme, and in the process he switched to a chloride one (which is at least 2 times more effective). But no - all the same mountains of dangerous red mud
              1. Dashout
                Dashout April 11 2018 08: 54
                +2
                Quote: Dashout
                Outdated Chloride Scheme

                Slip of the pen. Should read: obsolete fluoride scheme
          5. New Year day
            New Year day April 10 2018 09: 04
            +3
            Quote: Thrall
            Let's throw off Deripaska’s poverty

            Medvedev has already ordered his help and some other "poor fellow". The recipe is simple - they will be exempted from taxes, they will also throw some money, taxes will increase for us, and the prices are already treading water at the start
          6. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov April 10 2018 09: 23
            +1
            smile Well, then you do not throw off. wink We take a shot and not only Deripaska. There are many oligarchs in power, they suffer all losses.
        2. PN
          PN April 10 2018 06: 57
          +3
          Manual control is an infusion of doha_riard money from the budget.
        3. Filxnumx
          Filxnumx April 10 2018 07: 07
          +6
          make oligarchs invest in production, not in the financial sector. And it turns out that the money supply and, along with it, it seems like the economy is growing, but there is no production of goods to provide money supply. Just do not stupidly invest in any production (it will just be a cut), but provide them with an influx of high technology and the most severe investment control. The problem is how?
        4. Stas157
          Stas157 April 10 2018 08: 35
          +2
          Quote: maxim947
          All these quotes, which are supposedly regulated exclusively by the exchange, are complete bullshit, manual regulation always turns on at the right time

          Let's adjust the ruble then at 30 rubles per dollar, as it was in the good old days, or we will make oil at 120 dollars, for example!
          Of course, there are more than enough manipulators and puppeteers on exchanges, but they can affect the price only in a short speculative perspective, in the end, the price of shares and quotes is determined by the market itself.
          1. mkop
            mkop April 10 2018 08: 47
            0
            A "short speculative perspective," as you put it, may well be enough to kill entire chains of enterprises. And then yes - the market will determine the price ... For dead factories.
            An economic war is fought, and no markets in economic wars have ever regulated anything. Large players will decide in the initial stages. And after the completion of the whole action (related to achieving goals or vice versa), the market will enter the business in order to bring everything a little to a more or less equilibrium position, but without taking into account those dead players who lost.
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 April 10 2018 10: 23
              +2
              Quote: mkop
              A "short speculative perspective," as you put it, may well be enough to kill entire chains of enterprises. And then yes - the market will determine the price ... For dead factories.

              When did this artificially low exchange price kill the "enterprise chain"? The company worked, regardless of stock quotes, it works like this - not a dream, not a spirit of "problems".
              Quote: mkop
              Large players will decide in the initial stages. And after the completion of the whole action (related to achieving goals or vice versa), the market will enter the business in order to bring everything a little to a more or less equilibrium position, but without taking into account those dead players who lost.

              This situation is close to the Derivatives Market, to trading on futures with thirty leverage. Investors in the stock market or traders in the spot, do not run out of position at the first surge in volatility, they may not even know about it, do not track the Old. It is unlikely that a puppeteer speculator can kill a long-term investor. He would rather nibble the same speculators, but smaller ones.
              1. mkop
                mkop April 10 2018 10: 44
                +1
                Seriously? Neither sleep nor spirit? Oil quotes do not affect oilmen in any way? Those in turn do not buy equipment? Everything is mined, cleaned and sold. Oil prices have fallen, and oil workers have neither sleep nor spirit. Grain prices have fallen, and producers have no sleep, no spirit. What then do they influence then? Tell me.
                1. Stas157
                  Stas157 April 10 2018 12: 22
                  +2
                  Quote: mkop
                  Seriously? Neither sleep nor spirit? Oil quotes do not affect oilmen in any way? Those in turn do not buy equipment? Everything is mined, cleaned and sold. Oil prices have fallen, and oil workers have neither sleep nor spirit. Grain prices have fallen, and producers have no sleep, no spirit. What then do they influence then? Tell me.

                  If the product itself, oil or grain, then yes. There is some kind of influence. I meant shares of enterprises. Shares of an oil company, or Sberbank, or Gazprom can jump at times. But the same Sberbank or Gazprom both worked and works like clockwork. Nothing in the job has changed.
                  Why, the exchange price of an enterprise does not always adequately reflect the real price. And many enterprises do not have this problem at all, they are not traded on the exchange! So tell me, how do they exist, since the exchange price is so important, do you think ??
                  1. mkop
                    mkop April 10 2018 12: 50
                    0
                    From the fact that small enterprises are dying, industries do not collapse, as a rule. A fall in the value of stocks leads to a decrease in attracted investments, and therefore limits the development opportunities "today" (why invest in an enterprise that no one needs?). “Tomorrow” it results in a lag, “the day after tomorrow” - in the death of the enterprise, because it turns out to be uncompetitive.
                    And yes, the price of shares is a very speculative bullshit, which I wrote about in my first message.
      2. New Year day
        New Year day April 10 2018 09: 01
        +1
        Quote: Alexander 3
        I want to believe that this is a temporary phenomenon.

        I want to believe it, but this is a continuation of the press in the Russian Federation.
    2. siberalt
      siberalt April 10 2018 06: 47
      +5
      It’s time to hit speculative exchanges a long time ago. They do not produce anything other than soap bubbles. winked
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack April 10 2018 07: 11
        +5
        Quote: siberalt
        It’s time to strike at speculative exchanges a long time ago ...

        ... as well as off-road and sloppiness (c) Ilf-i-Petrov.
        Quote: siberalt
        They produce nothing but soap bubbles

        Deripaska, I think, will not agree with you.
    3. Nix1986
      Nix1986 April 10 2018 06: 55
      +5
      By force of arms to answer - the whole world is in ruins ?! There was no smarter council ?!
    4. Alex-a832
      Alex-a832 April 10 2018 06: 59
      +5
      Quote: Hunter 2
      We really feel on our own "pockets"! The question is how to answer ....
      Here - Everything is more complicated, we can give a full answer, only by force of arms! Apparently - it's time ..

      You make a strange conclusion. How can quite ordinary stock speculations affect our pocket? Our economy is not so attached to securities speculation that it really threatens it. If you like to travel abroad on vacation, then yes, trips will go up in price - no more.
      And about the answer “by force of arms” I will leave without comment at all - generally out of logic.
      1. Vita vko
        Vita vko April 10 2018 07: 15
        +6
        Quote: Alex-a832
        You make a strange conclusion. How can quite ordinary stock speculations affect our pocket?

        The connection between sanctions against oligarchs and economic indicators only indicates that in Russia the real economy, and therefore politics, is controlled not by the Government, but by a small handful of oligarchs. Against this background, Putin’s indecision and caution in foreign policy and a failed domestic economic policy become clear. It is a pity that the United States introduced these sanctions after the election, apparently also scared of Grudinin.
        1. Alex-a832
          Alex-a832 April 10 2018 07: 50
          +3
          Quote: Vita VKO
          It is a pity that the United States introduced these sanctions after the election, apparently also scared of Grudinin.

          We have been living under strict "sanctions" since 2014. The fact that our economy has withstood stress therapy, Russia has begun to increase production and significantly strengthened its defense capability is an indicator that our country is dominated by political power, and not by oligarchs, as the West would like, as we had in the 90s . Putin uses soft power. The West, like you, has taken this as a sign of weakness, and now is forced to fight Russia with dishonest methods in order to maintain its global dominance, but in many ways in vain. The elections have passed, so let Grudinin do his own thing - to steer the collective farm.
          1. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov April 10 2018 09: 25
            +5
            Quote: Alex-a832
            Quote: Vita VKO
            It is a pity that the United States introduced these sanctions after the election, apparently also scared of Grudinin.

            We have been living under strict "sanctions" since 2014. The fact that our economy has withstood stress therapy, Russia has begun to increase production and significantly strengthened its defense capability is an indicator that our country is dominated by political power, and not by oligarchs, as the West would like, as we had in the 90s . Putin uses soft power. The West, like you, has taken this as a sign of weakness, and now is forced to fight Russia with dishonest methods in order to maintain its global dominance, but in many ways in vain. The elections have passed, so let Grudinin do his own thing - to steer the collective farm.

            laughing Five for the knowledge of mythology and loyalty!
          2. Vita vko
            Vita vko April 10 2018 09: 35
            +3
            Quote: Alex-a832
            our economy has withstood stress therapy
            No need to idealize and rush to extremes. You are right, if the policy of the 90s continued and former gangsters who became oligarchs continued to control our economy, then Russia would turn into Ukraine, but the confrontation would not be in the Donbass, but on the Chinese border. For the United States, the destruction of the Russian economy is not a goal, but only a tool for the economic enslavement of other peoples, primarily China.
            Quote: Alex-a832
            let Grudinin go about his business - steer the collective farm
            it only says that the authorities are really afraid of competitors. Remember how much outright slander and dirt poured on Grudinin during the campaign. And where is this woman with eviction papers now, defrauded investors, accounts in foreign banks, etc.? This means that the current government has not only reasons that are afraid of competitors, but an understanding of economic and social injustice in the country.
        2. New Year day
          New Year day April 10 2018 09: 10
          +3
          Quote: Vita VKO
          in Russia, the real economy, and therefore politics, is controlled not by the Government, but by a small bunch of oligarchs

          Of course, this mutual love determines our life.
      2. DenZ
        DenZ April 10 2018 07: 53
        +1
        Quote: Alex-a832
        so that it really threatens her.

        It may not threaten, but it will be reflected badly and even very badly. By all appearances, you are very far from the economy, just write that
        Quote: Alex-a832
        Our economy is not so attached to securities speculation.
        Strongly attached. And this is unfortunately a fact. 25 years of pouring the Russian economy into the "global community" have done their job.
        1. Alex-a832
          Alex-a832 April 10 2018 08: 05
          +1
          Quote: DenZ
          By all appearances, you are very far from the economy, just write that

          In life I had to work in this direction, although I am far from this. Answer a simple question: what threatens our economy with a decline in stock prices, say Rosneft on European exchanges, given that the investment activities of Western firms in this company, like lending, are blocked by US and EU sanctions?
          1. konstantin68
            konstantin68 April 10 2018 08: 18
            +2
            Yes, it does not threaten! The term "capitalization" itself is a soap bubble that can be "inflated" or "punctured," depending on the appetites of financial institutions. It is financial.
            A simple example: if your, let’s say a plant produces 10 buckets a day, then how much they sell your shares on Wall Street, the issue will not increase in any way. The example is primitive, but quite visual.
            That is why it has become profitable to “play” on the exchange — these are “short” loans and “quick” money. And you don’t really have to do anything.
            1. Alex-a832
              Alex-a832 April 10 2018 08: 41
              0
              Quote: konstantin68
              Yes, it does not threaten!

              That's it. Natural tote. If the game is not negotiable, then the ratio of rates does not affect its outcome. More than once I came across situations when stock prices were lower than the value of the assets under which the issue was conducted. Assets of this company were not cheaper, production was also violet. But the crowds of small holders of shares tried to sell them at least for something, and the "experts" yelled for imminent bankruptcy. As a result, the shares were bought up by one person or company, who thus received a controlling or management stake and, in effect, became owners. I also watched the players swaying stock speculation of quotes of individual companies, playing on the rise and fall, making money from the air, or rather removing them from the pockets of ordinary people who think that they understand something in the "economy". Most of these "experts" were burnt on mutual funds at the time.
            2. New Year day
              New Year day April 10 2018 09: 11
              +2
              Quote: konstantin68
              Yes, it does not threaten!

              if so, why did the ruble sag?
              1. konstantin68
                konstantin68 April 10 2018 09: 42
                0
                The usual reaction of exchange players. It is as if the battery in the new phone exploded - immediately the capitalization fell by 25%. Everything will return to its place. And there will be a ruble in the corridor 57-60.
                1. sapporo1959
                  sapporo1959 April 10 2018 10: 02
                  +3
                  Interesting? There was 36 rubles, and now they are already happy with the corridor at 60. I don’t understand whether this is an economic upsurge or the result of watching TV shows.
                  1. New Year day
                    New Year day April 10 2018 14: 33
                    +2
                    Quote: sapporo1959
                    is the result of watching TV shows?

                    the more you look in the box, the more you trust the government and United Russia
          2. DenZ
            DenZ April 10 2018 08: 28
            +2
            Quote: Alex-a832
            threatens our economy with a decline in stock prices let's say Rosneft on European exchanges, taking into account the fact that the investment activities of Western firms in this company, like lending, are blocked by US and EU sanctions?

            In addition to the United States and the EU, there are also Asian countries, some of which I would like to spit on US and EU sanctions, but Rosneft’s attractiveness for them will become less. Because stock quotes will still be lower. At the same time, Rosneft will not be able to develop its projects as productively as before (simply because of a lack of investments from both the West and the East). All this will affect both the dividends of Rosneft shareholders and the amount of tax payments to the budget from Rosneft.
            However, I do not claim that everything will be just like that, because almost always there are mechanisms by which to neutralize the negative consequences.
            1. Alex-a832
              Alex-a832 April 10 2018 09: 00
              0
              Quote: DenZ
              At the same time, Rosneft will not be able to develop its projects as productively as before (simply because of a lack of investments from both the West and the East). All this will affect both the dividends of Rosneft shareholders and the amount of tax payments to the budget from Rosneft.

              Investment programs of large projects are not designed for short-term prospects, and investors rely not only on the growth of quotations, but on a share in the profits after the implementation of a large investment project, not to mention the related interests. The reduction in investment may affect the reduction of dividends if the decision is made on the OSA to channel part of the profit, which could be allocated for dividends, to investment projects. But this will not affect the tax deductions at all. There are many ways to solve the problems of investments, that is, the problems of expanding and modernizing production, but this does not depend on the results of exchange speculation.
              1. DenZ
                DenZ April 10 2018 09: 15
                +1
                Quote: Alex-a832
                Investment programs of large projects are not designed for short-term prospects,

                Well, this is all so and it is clear. Only these same investments will be less. And from the same it follows that there will not be the same successful development of the company as before, which means there will not be those budget revenues that could have been if there had been no sanctions. This is quite obvious.
          3. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov April 10 2018 09: 27
            +2
            Quote: Alex-a832
            Quote: DenZ
            By all appearances, you are very far from the economy, just write that

            In life I had to work in this direction, although I am far from this. Answer a simple question: what threatens our economy with a decline in stock prices, say Rosneft on European exchanges, given that the investment activities of Western firms in this company, like lending, are blocked by US and EU sanctions?

            The economy is nothing, simple people, yes! The cost of gasoline at gas stations threatens a sky-high increase. Oligarchs, lost income compensate at the expense of local consumers.
    5. forester
      forester April 10 2018 07: 25
      +1
      Do not worry about the deripaska - alumina and aluminum bauxite production plants will remain in their places. Just like the enterprises of the energy industry owned by Deripaska. He announced the possibility of technical default, that is, all his debts to them and invested funds, Oleg will forgive them))))
      1. dSK
        dSK April 10 2018 08: 14
        0
        Quote: forester
        technical default

        this is not bankruptcy - a temporary delay in payments. Production works. "Biorhythms" of the economy: 1998 - 2008 -2018 ... "Kondratieff" cycles are even longer, 50-60 years.
    6. Piramidon
      Piramidon April 10 2018 07: 53
      +2
      Quote: Hunter 2
      we can give an answer, only by force of arms!

      Do you think that after a nuclear war the whole economy will immediately rise? what Perhaps to the level of the primitive communal system.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 10 2018 08: 11
        +7
        How to answer, how to answer, the government and the "national elite" in Kolyma with children, households, cats and .... parrots, ALL ON KOLYUMA !!! Let the country's economy rebuild by shock liber democratic labor! We will issue them letters "Drummer Liber-Dermor of Labor!"
        We are already working for the benefit of our country, we no longer need to be stimulated!
    7. dSK
      dSK April 10 2018 08: 06
      +1
      Quote: Hunter 2
      full answer

      As the brokers say - "substitute the basins", if there is no big war, they will "redeem" everything. But "who does not risk, he does not drink champagne."
    8. New Year day
      New Year day April 10 2018 09: 00
      +2
      Quote: Hunter 2
      The question is how to answer ....

      there are no real economic levers, only asymmetric
      Quote: Hunter 2
      only by force of arms! Apparently - it's time ...

      then the economy is no longer needed
    9. Victor N
      Victor N April 10 2018 09: 07
      0
      Nonsense! Need to buy!
    10. andj61
      andj61 April 10 2018 09: 40
      0
      Quote: Hunter 2
      Mda Was yesterday - really shocked by what was happening on the exchanges! If - leave unanswered, it will only - worse, and we will really feel it on our own "pockets"! The question is how to answer ....
      Here - Everything is more complicated, we can give a full answer, only by force of arms! Apparently - it's time ...

      The raw material export market dipped. So maybe it's for the best? We will reduce the cost of aluminum and other raw materials, it will be possible to produce products of higher processing. Invest in this - and jobs will appear, and production will develop, and we will get rid of raw material dependence a bit. hi
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 10 2018 11: 52
        +2
        I prescribed a beautiful word - Invest ... in this, that.
        Like, people invest? Or what kind of fat belly from the category of those that we do not have, an offer to make?
    11. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky April 10 2018 10: 48
      +1
      Quote: Hunter 2
      Mda Was yesterday - really shocked by what was happening on the exchanges! If - leave unanswered, it will only - worse, and we will really feel it on our own "pockets"! The question is how to answer ..

      I don’t think that your life is so dependent on stock market leaps and fluctuations))) 3-4 years ago, such crap already happened when Russian companies collapsed to a minimum were dumped by their foreign owners and were immediately bought back by Russia, which allowed them to return the “prodigals” "the shares of Russian companies under the jurisdiction of Russia and in a few days to earn more than $ 20 billion. At the same time, YOUR POCKET personally did not feel any loss or profit.
      Quote: Hunter 2
      Here - Everything is more complicated, we can give a full answer, only by force of arms! Apparently - it's time

      Not .... it's better to wait a bit)))
    12. groks
      groks April 10 2018 12: 22
      0
      We will feel. But the answer is not for us. And they will decide as usual - the oligarchs of money, banks of money, taxes to us.
  2. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi April 10 2018 06: 36
    +32
    The usual stock exchange game for a fall under a good excuse. Large shareholders got a chance to buy at a cheap price the block held by small shareholders. About three months everything will play back. This is not a systemic crisis, but organized.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack April 10 2018 07: 16
      +12
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      The usual stock exchange game for a fall on a good pretext

      Exactly.
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      About three months everything will play back. This is not a systemic crisis, but organized

      Fiercely plus.
      Moreover, the “game” is double-edged. What is bad for Rusal, it is bad for its customers too - you will have to pay more for the same luminium request
      And this is just what lies quite on the surface.
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov April 10 2018 09: 29
        0
        Moreover, the “game” is double-edged. What is bad for Rusal, it is bad for its customers - for the same luminium, you will have to pay more request

        Aha ha ha laughing Golovan, here’s a saying about a bad head .....
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack April 10 2018 09: 34
          +6
          Quote: andrej-shironov
          from a saying about a bad head ...

          In the mirror, in the mirror ... son, damn it, and grandson laughing
          1. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov April 10 2018 09: 49
            +1
            wink I look at you, and you are a little mirror .... (sings)
    2. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 April 10 2018 08: 34
      0
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      About three months everything will play back

      does the world have these three months?
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 10 2018 09: 40
        0
        The world has - do you have them?
        1. Tiksi-3
          Tiksi-3 April 10 2018 09: 59
          0
          Quote: Vadim237
          The world has - do you have them?

          belay fool
  3. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch April 10 2018 06: 37
    +15
    When Facebook costs more than Gazprom - in the coffin I saw all these quotation courses. The parasites are in a hurry to warm the sweaty little hands.
    1. smart ass
      smart ass April 10 2018 06: 42
      +6
      Unfortunately, we have a market economy and have to play on the field of Americans. It's a shame that our economy can be brought down only by sanctions against the oligarchs
      1. Herculesic
        Herculesic April 10 2018 06: 54
        +8
        Wise guy, we have a bazaar economy, there is no market here! There are a lot of speculators working for the oligarchs, and they all do not care about the economy, because their pocket is much closer and nicer.
    2. IGOR GORDEEV
      IGOR GORDEEV April 10 2018 06: 57
      +3
      Quote: iliitch
      When Facebook costs more than Gazprom - in the coffin I saw all these quotation courses. The parasites are in a hurry to warm the sweaty little hands.

      As a striking indicator of this entire virtual economy is Bitcoin. The price of 1 bitcoin is more than $ 6000. Who issues it? What is he provided with? Rumor has it that the Fed oversees it (not necessarily directly).
      1. Simargl
        Simargl April 10 2018 08: 19
        +1
        Quote: IGOR GORDEEV
        Rumor has it that the Fed oversees it
        The income of the owners of the "business" is 200-300 lard of "greens", I suppose. So think to whom it is "profitable."
        Will the Fed bother for 300 lard in 8 years if there are more stable ways to withdraw money?
    3. Professor
      Professor April 10 2018 08: 07
      +5
      Quote: iliitch
      When Facebook costs more than Gazprom - in the coffin I saw all these quotation courses. The parasites are in a hurry to warm the sweaty little hands.

      Duc Facebook and earns more Gazprom and more prospects. You did not take an economics course at the university?
      1. dSK
        dSK April 10 2018 08: 41
        +1
        Quote: Professor
        фейсбук

        created "gentlemen" Tsereushniki to lead the "color revolutions". The modern "slave owners" of the shackles are not put on "arms and legs", but on "brains".
        1. Professor
          Professor April 10 2018 09: 17
          +1
          Quote: dsk
          Quote: Professor
          фейсбук

          created "gentlemen" Tsereushniki to lead the "color revolutions". The modern "slave owners" of the shackles are not put on "arms and legs", but on "brains".

          Does someone make you use social networks?
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 April 10 2018 09: 20
            +2
            Quote: Professor
            Does someone make you use social networks?

            Social networks are already an integral part of lifestyle. as well as cell phones, which you can live without, but more difficult. Social networks are essentially a social drug. request
            1. mkop
              mkop April 10 2018 16: 02
              +1
              Dependence needs to be treated while there is an opportunity.
      2. konstantin68
        konstantin68 April 10 2018 09: 47
        +4
        Didn’t try to warm the blast on Facebook? In winter to warm your apartment? This is me about the prospects.
  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter April 10 2018 06: 39
    +5
    So what? Are we getting fewer factories and bread? It just shows how much “speculative” capital is spinning on the stock exchange. Oil "drop" to our sworn friends seemed - expensive. They took up the stock market. Well, Rusal is nationalized as a result ... Only Deripaska will cry over it ...
    1. Metallurg_2
      Metallurg_2 April 10 2018 06: 46
      +2
      If they nationalize (and not only Rusal, but everything "honestly stolen" during the privatization) - good. But they can choose another option - to help Deripaska at the expense of us taxpayers. Which option they choose will be shown by who we have in our leadership of the country — patriots or rootless cosmopolitans who have bank accounts — their homeland ...
      1. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch April 10 2018 06: 59
        +3
        Quote: Metallurg_2
        Which option they choose will be shown by who we have in our leadership of the country — patriots or rootless cosmopolitans who have bank accounts — their homeland ...

        wassat I'll try to guess ...
      2. Non liberoid Russian
        Non liberoid Russian April 10 2018 07: 19
        +3
        a gadget lover has already offered to help at the expense of the budget hucksters who have fallen under sanctions
        1. Metallurg_2
          Metallurg_2 April 10 2018 07: 36
          +1
          So let him help, but the budgetary loot does not touch ...
      3. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack April 10 2018 07: 26
        +8
        Quote: Metallurg_2
        If they nationalize (and not only Rusal, but everything "honestly looted" during the privatization) - good

        And what, tell me, good?
        To hire a cloud of managers, at your expense (and mine), which in any case will be less, ahem, effective than private traders?
        While Deripaskino’s enterprise is his enterprise, his fortune is a headache for Deripaska and those whom he hired. As soon as the enterprise became state-owned ... oh no... I've personally seen enough already.
        1. Metallurg_2
          Metallurg_2 April 10 2018 07: 37
          +3
          It is necessary to nationalize assets, to leave debts to Deripaska ...
          As long as Deripaskino’s enterprise - his enterprises, his condition is Deripaska’s headache

          Yeah, it was very noticeable in Pikalevo, whose headache it was ...
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack April 10 2018 08: 12
            +6
            Quote: Metallurg_2
            was very noticeable in Pikalevo

            You still remember the Old Testament negative
            Quote: Metallurg_2
            whose headache is it

            Private enterprise, there is only his headache. A-priory.
            If a private trader at the same time works in compliance with laws, pays taxes and does not go into politics - this is the right private trader.
            Dispute yes
            1. Metallurg_2
              Metallurg_2 April 10 2018 18: 53
              0
              Dispute

              If a private trader picked up a cordon of loans as a bitch - a flea and at every opportunity he tries to nationalize the debts of his office - from such a private trader it is necessary to select the entire office for a symbolic cost of 1 ruble. Because it is an inefficient private trader.
      4. New Year day
        New Year day April 10 2018 09: 13
        0
        Quote: Metallurg_2
        But they can choose another option - to help Deripaska at the expense of us taxpayers. Which option they choose will be shown by who we have in our leadership of the country — patriots or rootless cosmopolitans who have bank accounts — their homeland ...

        already chosen, at our expense
      5. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov April 10 2018 09: 31
        0
        Quote: Metallurg_2
        If they nationalize (and not only Rusal, but everything "honestly stolen" during the privatization) - good. But they can choose another option - to help Deripaska at the expense of us taxpayers. Which option they choose will be shown by who we have in our leadership of the country — patriots or rootless cosmopolitans who have bank accounts — their homeland ...

        Michael, why doubt! wink As if you do not know our comprador-oligarchic power!
      6. andj61
        andj61 April 10 2018 09: 54
        0
        Quote: Metallurg_2
        If they nationalize (and not only Rusal, but everything "honestly stolen" during the privatization) - good. But they can choose another option - to help Deripaska at the expense of us taxpayers. Which option they choose will be shown by who we have in our leadership of the country — patriots or rootless cosmopolitans who have bank accounts — their homeland ...

        Deripaska can only be helped in a unique way - a certain amount of luminium bully redeem to the state reserve, and at a significantly reduced price. Not only to buy gold - the state and non-ferrous metals are required! hi
      7. Nix1986
        Nix1986 April 10 2018 14: 32
        0
        Well, our health care is state-controlled, education, i.e. essentially nationalized industries, so what? Good governance? And why nationalization of something already means efficiency immediately? A fairy tale about an Eastern spaceport or hangar to tell?
      8. BVS
        BVS April 10 2018 16: 05
        0
        And what nationalized enterprises will work effectively?
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 10 2018 09: 44
      +2
      "Rusal" nationalized "And as a result, he will disappear, hanging 400 billion rubles of debts on the shoulders of the state.
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov April 10 2018 09: 51
        +4
        smile Then the state at the expense of the people will pay these debts and again give Rusal Deripaska. Cool such a multi-way laughing
  5. Sergey985
    Sergey985 April 10 2018 06: 44
    +5
    The inaction of the state raises questions. In key industries, it was possible to buy shares, rather than give up to the Chinese. Especially in energy, chemistry and metallurgy. What treasurer to buy, they would invest in themselves. Along the way, with the withdrawal of capital from the country, the issue was partially closed. And that is how we will forever save the masters of the oligarchs.
    1. Valid benchmark
      Valid benchmark April 10 2018 08: 06
      0
      I completely agree. It is a pity our great economists, led by Nabiulina, do not understand this.
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov April 10 2018 09: 32
        +2
        Quote: Valid Rapper
        I completely agree. It is a pity our great economists, led by Nabiulina, do not understand this.

        lol Oh my God! But Putin does not know about it! You urgently need to write to him that the boyars are bad they say !!!
    2. dSK
      dSK April 10 2018 08: 27
      0
      Quote: Sergey985
      What treasurer to buy, they would invest in themselves.

      The prime minister should be the production worker, "supply manager." Two "policies" are overkill. Our Prime Minister is meeting with Vladimir Vladimirovich today, tomorrow he is "reporting" to the State Duma for six years of "rule"
  6. Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 April 10 2018 06: 45
    +3
    The market can sag exactly for the amount for which it was previously inflated.
    And it will hit only those who are sitting in the office at the trading program and periodically fucks up a secret key.
    1. IGOR GORDEEV
      IGOR GORDEEV April 10 2018 07: 19
      0
      Quote: Metallurg_2
      And it will hit only those who are sitting in the office at the trading program and periodically fucks up a secret key.

      And they have nervous days and "secrets" they probably do not care about in such days.
  7. Papandreou
    Papandreou April 10 2018 06: 47
    +2
    Lord What do we care? Do you have that income decrease? Worse, what happened in the 90s when our enterprises went to a handful of people, will no longer be.
    1. Sergey985
      Sergey985 April 10 2018 06: 54
      +9
      Our money will cover their losses. That's right, Thatcher said: there is no state money, there is taxpayer money. Think about it.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack April 10 2018 07: 28
        +7
        Quote: Sergey985
        no government money, there is taxpayer money

        Thatcher and about 15 million Russians ... like "said" request
        The money you gave away is no longer yours. A-priory yes
        1. Simargl
          Simargl April 10 2018 08: 22
          +1
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          The money you gave away is no longer yours. A-priory
          The money in your hands is also tongue
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack April 10 2018 08: 23
            +6
            Quote: Simargl
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            The money you gave away is no longer yours. A-priory
            The money in your hands is also tongue

            This is debatable. And completely off topic.
            The Ministry of Health warned (s).
            1. Simargl
              Simargl April 10 2018 08: 31
              +5
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              This is debatable. And completely off topic.
              Why is it debatable? Greeks know, Greeks remember. The issuer (and not only) can get into our pockets sharply (inflation, default, denomination, etc.).
              And why not the topic, if state decides how to get deep into наш pocket for his money?
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 April 10 2018 09: 45
                0
                In precious metals and works of art, it is best to keep funds; they will always be in the top.
        2. Sergey985
          Sergey985 April 10 2018 09: 45
          0
          She correctly told about money. Since we have an elected legislative branch, the government is obliged to report for every penny. And do not say that it is unrealistic, it will not, in our conditions it is impossible, etc. It should be. Let them even transplant and shoot everyone. I want to know where my taxes go. Then we will not contain these bankrupt oligarchs. And every citizen will know where his money is, which he gave in the form of taxes.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack April 10 2018 09: 52
            +7
            Quote: Sergey985
            I want to know where my taxes go

            I, in general, also ... do not mind. But for me it’s still not the most important thing in life.
            Quote: Sergey985
            Then we will not contain these bankrupt oligarchs

            You ... repetitive.
            Twenty times they explained - if Rusal was at least in whose, yes even in state-owned property - he would have flown in the same way (if not earlier) under sanctions.
            Trump on the revival of the United States read:
            There has never been a better time to hire, build, invest and grow in the United States. America is open to business and we are competitive again ...

            To be competitive, you have to quench your competitors.
            What the United States is trying to do so far is not unsuccessful, I note.
            And you - "taxes, taxes" ... You are boring, and uninteresting request
            1. Sergey985
              Sergey985 April 10 2018 10: 25
              +1
              But Rusal did not have problems yesterday. It’s just that now, under the sauce of sanctions, they’ll start to steam us. We sorted out the quotes, but did not understand the essence. A little fun, I agree.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack April 10 2018 10: 31
                +6
                Quote: Sergey985
                But Rusal’s problems didn’t arise yesterday.

                Yesterday is, you see, not just "problems."
                Quote: Sergey985
                in a sauce of sanctions, they’ll start to steam us

                Right Everyone and the whole main and only task is to "match" everything to you. No one else has any other tasks (and problems).
                Quote: Sergey985
                Since we have an elected legislative branch, the government is obliged to report for every penny ... It should be so

                Is this something?
                And what is there ... to understand? belay
                Standard song:

                It would be good, it would be good
                We walrus catch big

                About nothing.
                Quote: Sergey985
                little fun, I agree

                Well, at least it pleases ...
                1. Sergey985
                  Sergey985 April 10 2018 11: 00
                  +1
                  Of course about nothing, especially not my words. And the conversation is about nothing.
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack April 10 2018 14: 28
                    +6
                    Quote: Sergey985
                    especially not my words

                    Yah? Which of them? belay
                    Quote: Sergey985
                    conversation about nothing

                    Right. A plus
                    1. Sergey985
                      Sergey985 April 10 2018 15: 41
                      0
                      "It would be good, it would be good
                      We walrus catch big "
                      Good fishing! laughing
    2. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov April 10 2018 09: 34
      0
      Quote: Papandreou
      Lord What do we care? Do you have that income decrease? Worse, what happened in the 90s when our enterprises went to a handful of people, will no longer be.

      Well then you definitely do not care! wink It will pay the people of Russia and not the Kazakhs.
  8. ivan0vitch
    ivan0vitch April 10 2018 06: 48
    +2
    interesting, Vladimir Vladimirovich, with "tomatoes will not get off!" will come out? McDonald's in the center of Moscow has everything closed? It is necessary, in this case, always keep a couple open. So that was something to close with fanfare. I’m guessing what the answer of Russia will be)
  9. kepmor
    kepmor April 10 2018 06: 49
    +1
    a good reason to disperse the "Medvedev" ... although there is little hope for this ...
  10. bald
    bald April 10 2018 06: 56
    +2
    With a fool climbed into the cap. development - now we are reaping. Although the majority of the fall in stocks is simply "very much to do."
  11. Strashila
    Strashila April 10 2018 07: 00
    +1
    Everything, as always ... business and nothing more ... covered by political statements.
  12. Million
    Million April 10 2018 07: 01
    +1
    What are the leaders in the state, such and the economy ....
  13. Altona
    Altona April 10 2018 07: 04
    +10
    Quote: Thrall
    Let's throw off Deripaska’s poverty

    1. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov April 10 2018 09: 36
      +1
      laughing Eugene laughed! That's just sad is a laugh. The state is already taking off on the oligarchs at our expense. A tax on sheds is already underway.
  14. demiurg
    demiurg April 10 2018 07: 08
    +2
    Sell ​​US dollars, and buy cheap assets. I don’t even know what could be better for Russia.
  15. 9PA
    9PA April 10 2018 07: 09
    +3
    [quote = Aron Zawi] The usual stock exchange game for a fall under a good excuse. Large shareholders got a chance to buy at a cheap price the block held by small shareholders. About three months everything will play back. This is not a systemic crisis, but organized. [/ Q

    as they say it would be nice if so. this is probably the beginning of a very deep crisis
  16. Lynx33
    Lynx33 April 10 2018 07: 11
    +3
    All this is certainly true, but in everything you can find a positive. This is a chance for the government to get rid of the American public debt. It will now be priced, so it is necessary to sell it urgently, until the west has arrested it, and to buy up shares of the most profitable Russian companies to the state. And we’ll save the Russian market and you can make money on it, while speculators rage in a panic.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day April 10 2018 14: 36
      +1
      Quote: Lynx33
      All this is certainly true, but in everything you can find a positive.

      that's for sure! Thank you for the ruble did not fall to 80, but could.
      Here is the positive!
  17. oracul
    oracul April 10 2018 07: 21
    +3
    All these stock market games are scary only when the country's economy is tightly tied to globalization, which the United States has diligently built for many years with multinational corporations and banks. All these WTOs, the IMF, exchanges, SWIFT, the dollar as the international currency that the US Federal Reserve prints in the quantity they need, the Internet, Facebook, rating agencies, international tribunals and courts operate under the cover of the CIA and NATO. Holy simplicity is worse than theft - says the people, and he is mistaken in particulars, but always right in the main. You can’t recklessly trust business partners from business, and even more so you can’t be friends with them - they will always sell them if they only learn their interest. This is not my opinion, but American human resources specialists. To understand much of what is happening, you need to know a lot, for this you should read a lot of primary sources yourself, and not just abstracts and reviews prepared by assistants. The Kemerovo tragedy showed this very clearly when words were heard about the supervised vacation. Without control, there has never been and never will be successful management of either state or production.
    1. 9PA
      9PA April 10 2018 07: 28
      +3
      A simple example: the supply of aluminum in the world market is balanced, the largest Russian (world) producer of aluminum has been cut off from the American market. Ahead of Europe. The tax base will fall, the burden on the budget is growing (it is necessary to help, etc.). The public debt is next in turn, which is even worse. Mountain officials, senior citizens retired mountain, theft. What are the available funds for Vova? tighten the nuts simple (retirement age, personal income tax, VAT, platon, etc.). Now imagine if the supply of gas and oil is sufficient to exclude the Russian Federation from the energy market.
  18. savage1976
    savage1976 April 10 2018 07: 25
    +3
    Some time ago, the Central Bank of the Russian Federation reduced investment in the American Central Bank by $ 10 billion. On April 9, stock market capitalization lost about 800 billion rubles (approximately $ 13 billion). Someone bought all these 20% cheaper papers. Guess who? In 2008, the Russian Federation bought a $ 20 billion oil industry; in 2014, the banking sector posted for the same amount. We draw conclusions.
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    2. Mimoprohodil
      Mimoprohodil April 10 2018 09: 06
      0
      Quote: savage1976
      Some time ago, the Central Bank of the Russian Federation reduced investments in American Central Banks by $ 10 billion

      But in reality, over the year, it increased investments in the American Central Bank by $ 16 billion, and then decreased by 5 billion
    3. andj61
      andj61 April 10 2018 09: 59
      0
      Quote: savage1976
      Some time ago, the Central Bank of the Russian Federation reduced investment in the American Central Bank by $ 10 billion. On April 9, stock market capitalization lost about 800 billion rubles (approximately $ 13 billion). Someone bought all these 20% cheaper papers. Guess who? In 2008, the Russian Federation bought a $ 20 billion oil industry; in 2014, the banking sector posted for the same amount. We draw conclusions.

      We draw conclusions: at a slow pace, timid zigzag we are moving towards the bright goal of reducing dependence on international capital. Now, I would take this opportunity to invest in real production! True, for this the government’s economic unit headed by the prime minister needs to be changed. repeat What will we change? As always - for vodka! fellow hi
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker April 10 2018 10: 04
        +1
        Quote: andj61
        We draw conclusions: at a slow pace, timid zigzag we are moving towards the bright goal of reducing dependence on international capital.

        So this is a good answer to our liberals, repeating like a mantra from 90's: "In the West, private property is inviolable."
        It’s touched, and how it’s touched ... wassat
        1. andj61
          andj61 April 10 2018 10: 08
          +1
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          So this is a good answer to our liberals, repeating like a mantra from 90's: "In the West, private property is inviolable."
          It’s touched, and how it’s touched ...

          And the worse the relationship with Russia, the more the private property of our oligarchs there in the west is touched. Cyprus and England - this is only the beginning! fellow drinks
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  20. Vard
    Vard April 10 2018 07: 41
    +1
    The trick is ... the state of affairs on the exchange does not reflect the real state of affairs in the economy ... The exchange is a bunch of speculators ... fearful and at the slightest danger they like it ... take profits ... dump shares ... Here and now this is happening ...
    1. 9PA
      9PA April 10 2018 07: 53
      0
      The trick is that the military salaries (for clarity) are provided with raw materials and debt obligations. One day and such a result. They have a clear multi-dimensional plan.
    2. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov April 10 2018 09: 38
      0
      Quote: Vard
      The trick is ... the state of affairs on the exchange does not reflect the real state of affairs in the economy ... The exchange is a bunch of speculators ... fearful and at the slightest danger they like it ... take profits ... dump shares ... Here and now this is happening ...

      You partially wrote correctly and the exchange is a bunch of speculators, and the trick is that the Russian economy is a bunch of oligarchs! wink So at the slightest danger, they, together with the authorities themselves, know that ....
  21. Vard
    Vard April 10 2018 07: 54
    0
    And about the fall of the ruble ... The fact that the state is behind it ... which now simply does not have enough money for the promised social programs, there is no doubt ... again, milking the middle class again ...
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 April 10 2018 09: 12
      +4
      Where did we get the middle class? That small shank that ascribes itself to such a meager thing, what do you have from them?
      The bureaucrats are rich, so this is only krupnyak at the posts, the horsemen can never touch anything seriously.
      They will fight with everyone else, and if it’s not the poor, then they’re not far from this!
  22. Ethiopian_Colonel
    Ethiopian_Colonel April 10 2018 08: 00
    +3
    The most significant factor that influenced the markets is the ban on any cooperation with companies included in the sanctions list, as well as the requirement of the US Treasury for the timing of withdrawal from Russian assets. In accordance with the statement of this ministry, until June 5 of this year, American investors and counterparties are allowed to carry out a number of settlements with Russian companies that are under sanctions, and until May 7, transactions for the withdrawal of assets from these companies. In particular, until June 5, only the calculations necessary to maintain or terminate existing contracts or agreements concluded before April 6, 2018, including the import of goods, services or technologies, are allowed. The restriction applies to both legal entities and individuals of the United States who have contractual relations with domestic companies RUSAL, Basic Element, En + Group, Gazprom, Agroholding Kuban, Renova, GAZ Group, Eurosibenergo ", Russian Machines and others. The action extends to any other assets in which the share of companies on the sanctions list exceeds 50%. Until May 7, 20189, residents of the United States, both individuals and legal entities, are allowed to transfer debts, capital or other assets in RUSAL, En + Group and GAZ Group to third parties outside the US jurisdiction.
    In accordance with the instructions of the Ministry of Finance, persons who have withdrawn from assets and debt relations with listed Russian companies must submit a full report on each of them to the Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC, OFAC) within 10 days after May 7 and June 5 transaction concluded, including dates, conditions and full name of the parties involved. So far, only RUSAL and En + Group have come under actual sanctions. But few doubt that they will be followed by other Russian corporations that have been put on the black list by the Americans. And it is these fears that predetermined the dynamics of today's trading on domestic stock exchanges. Moreover, not only the securities of metallurgical companies against which American sanctions were directed, but also the shares of issuers, one way or another connected with the latter, came under sale.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 April 10 2018 09: 07
      +2
      Everything is clear, then what? Government on the count? Almost everyone deserves, who else?
      New ones will come, the same, because the system is like that.
      Call hard work and tighten their belts, all but the "chosen"!
      The situation is predictable and more than MANY predicted! Not from under the fence, people expressed, but not in power who .... offered to do, take different measures! Sales of "father dear" warned our national thick-bellied elite in plain text. And what, someone listened? We fled to the states, licked the causal place for striped bandits.
      All the same, the system will get out, but again at the expense of the people.
      To say that you are tired is to say nothing! Up there everything seems so good!
  23. Hiw
    Hiw April 10 2018 08: 51
    +2
    Does anyone else have the illusion that the existing Russian government cares about the country's economy ??? What naivety ... oil and gas and private hands, capital is withdrawn abroad, how much are there in American securities ??? one hundred billion or more ??? They mean they are not investing in the Russian economy, but they are investing in US papers - and who are they after that if not traitors. This is no longer our elite if they can be pulled by the eggs from behind a mound. And the people put on pink glasses and voted for the gdp - now eat, education is paid, medetsina is paid, beggars' salaries and pensions, for which they voted and got
  24. BAI
    BAI April 10 2018 08: 54
    +1
    The cherished dream of the Russian government came true - the ruble sank, now it’s not even necessary to bring down artificially.
  25. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov April 10 2018 09: 21
    +1
    All residents of Russia urgently tighten their belts, preferably on the neck! All oligarchs-remove the suspenders, pants, and so do not fall. Wait, the budget will help all oligarchs at the expense of the people! The power we have is popular, everything we love at the expense of the people. laughing
  26. Dietmar
    Dietmar April 10 2018 09: 43
    0
    In 2001, immediately after 911, the German DAX stock index fell from 8400 to 2200 in a matter of days. Now it is above 12000. The same thing happened with Japan and the United States.
  27. tchoni
    tchoni April 10 2018 09: 47
    0
    A nefik to keep funds of national property in bourgeois currencies, a nefik to trade natural resources for the dollar .....
  28. 341712
    341712 April 10 2018 10: 00
    +1
    Quote: spirit
    So we will throw it off) now they want summer residents to impose new taxes and Plato to modernize, People have new oil, so we will fold more than once hi

    Why did they go !!! And let iPhone take with them ...
  29. konstantin68
    konstantin68 April 10 2018 10: 12
    0
    Quote: sapporo1959
    Interesting? There was 36 rubles, and now they are already happy with the corridor at 60. I don’t understand whether this is an economic upsurge or the result of watching TV shows.

    Imagine, there was once a 0.56 ruble. Everything flows, everything changes. Now they write the rules of the game and we play on their field, unfortunately.
  30. midshipman
    midshipman April 10 2018 10: 18
    +2
    Analysis of the economic situation today is carried out by everyone except professionals. Readers of VO, have you seen the opinion about the situation of economists and academics of the Russian Academy of Sciences, at least the director of the Institute of Chemical Economy of the Russian Academy of Sciences, academician Ivanter VV? Not. And why, yes, because everything is not so bad. Ask yourself a question. Who buys shares of our companies, owned by non-existent oligarchs, in foreign markets? Who needs them? The government must develop industry. It is necessary to produce civilian products, including in other defense industry enterprises for their country and for export. I could tell a lot, but it is necessary to prepare a report on a new research project set by the Government Decree.
  31. 11 black
    11 black April 10 2018 11: 24
    0
    stalkerwalker,
    Quote: stalkerwalker
    This is a problem of competence of senior management and the local management apparatus, which ultimately rests on the loyalty and honesty of local personnel.
    The elections - 2018 showed that the monstrous illiteracy of both the electorate, who supported the aunt-horse, and the candidates themselves. A similar situation in the administrative apparatus is a monstrous lack of competent specialists.

    This is a problem of inadequate legislation - there are specialists, but the so-called. "stupid bureaucrats" do not support them - after all, they talk about the need to invest part of the money in the enterprise, and not in the bureaucrat's pocket.
    Regarding the electorate and the elections, I disagree with you radically - people supported the only truly strong leader. I think the trouble is that we still have not learned to live in a capitalist system, to defend our interests - in fact, people tolerate bullying by senior management in the workplace, but no one thinks about organizing a strong trade union - this is our problem.
  32. viktor.
    viktor. April 10 2018 12: 19
    +1
    I heard in Yakutia, the Canadian little gold coin was lying on the airfield, but what about our rulers at the expense of repayment of losses can not freeze their work and investment?
  33. Baby sitter
    Baby sitter April 10 2018 16: 08
    0
    So why be surprised? Whose exchanges? Who gave money and resources to speculators? Foreign investment wanted .....
    Forgotten how to work, parasites ...
  34. Lynx33
    Lynx33 April 11 2018 06: 51
    0
    Stop moaning, everything that happens on the exchanges is just what is profitable for speculators. Speculators receive income from the buildup of markets, the more they sway, the more income. But this should be precisely the buildup, i.e. quotes should be back, a complete collapse is not profitable for speculators, it means that some of them are completely ruined.
    1. mkop
      mkop April 11 2018 08: 53
      0
      Large players will not go broke (large - the driver of all the heaters), on the small ones, they spat on a high bell tower.