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UAC has proposed to limit the import of foreign aircraft

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PJSC United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) proposes to introduce restrictions on the import into Russia of foreign aircraft older than 5-6 for years, reports TASS.




Proposals to change the legislative framework. The first is to reset the VAT on domestic aircraft products. The second is a restriction on the import of foreign aircraft over five or six years old,
announced at the meeting of the Expert Council of the State Duma of the Russian Federation on the aviation industry, UAC Technical Director Yury Tarasov.

According to him, the corporation also proposes "to prohibit the use of the temporary admission regime for the commercial operation of aircraft."

And the fourth is the possibility of using the scientific background, the results of intellectual activity obtained during the creation of military equipment,
concluded Tarasov.

The agency reminds that OAK includes: “Sukhoi Company, Irkut Corporation, RSK MiG, Tupolev, Il, Sukhoi Civil Aircraft, Aviastar-SP, TANTK them. Gm Beriev, VASO, "AeroComposite", "OAK-Complexing Center", EMZ them. V.M. Myasishchev, LII them. M.M. Gromov.

The corporation produces airplanes "Su", "MiG", "Tu", "Il", "Yak", "Beriev", as well as new ones - SSJ100 and MS-21.

OAK performs a full cycle of work from design to after-sales service and disposal aviation techniques.
Photos used:
KLA (http://www.uacrussia.ru)
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  1. Livonetc
    Livonetc April 9 2018 15: 40
    +13
    Sanctions on sanctions.
    1. ancestors from Don
      ancestors from Don April 9 2018 16: 06
      +40
      Yes, to completely ban their trash along with service, it is necessary to prepare for a complete economic blockade, these critters will crush on all fronts.
      1. Semen1972
        Semen1972 April 9 2018 17: 43
        +5
        Quote: ancestors from the Don
        Yes, to completely ban their trash along with service, it is necessary to prepare for a complete economic blockade, these critters will crush on all fronts.

        No, in this matter, everyone must decide for himself. A true patriot will reject everything imported and transfer to our cars. And let all sorts of liberalists ride behah and audyuhah !!! We’ll stick fingers at them !!!! This is the right decision, but it is not necessary to ban, our people understand everything already !!! I’m not a 100% cheer patriot .. unfortunately ... I’ll ride a Japanese woman .. from solidarity to warring with besieging creatures !!!
        1. Evgeny Goncharov
          Evgeny Goncharov April 9 2018 20: 12
          0
          And the diabetic patriot will go to the father ... Oh, he won’t.
        2. michey
          michey April 10 2018 08: 11
          +1
          Comparing our planes with a car is very funny and absolutely ridiculous
          1. Semen1972
            Semen1972 April 10 2018 10: 41
            0
            Quote: michey
            Comparing our planes with a car is very funny and absolutely ridiculous

            What exactly is the absurdity?
            1. michey
              michey April 11 2018 12: 13
              0
              The obvious thing is that our planes are not inferior to imported ones.
    2. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z April 9 2018 16: 09
      +17
      It's time to support the domestic manufacturer! But probably, besides money, managers-specialists, engineers are needed, and not "sales" specialists, managers! And with them it was hard to see, they did not save the available ones, did not teach new ones and what next ?!
      1. Serge Gorely
        Serge Gorely April 9 2018 16: 32
        +6
        Quote: Starover_Z
        It's time to support the domestic manufacturer! But probably, besides money, managers-specialists, engineers are needed, and not "sales" specialists, managers! And with them it was hard to see, they did not save the available ones, did not teach new ones and what next ?!

        And how many domestic in the "domestic" SuperJet? - even the name is so thoroughly Russian ...
        1. michey
          michey April 9 2018 17: 19
          0
          Our glider, part of the engine. Avionics is not ours.
          1. Semen1972
            Semen1972 April 9 2018 17: 47
            +2
            Quote: michey
            Our glider, part of the engine. Avionics is not ours.

            Let’s fly on what’s left, nothing flew the compass and stars and won the war !!! What for their Jeppesen did not rest against us, we have our own cards ... from the second world are stored !!!
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky April 9 2018 19: 27
              +6
              Quote: Semen1972
              Let’s fly on what’s left, nothing flew the compass and stars and won the war !!! What for their Jeppesen did not rest against us, we have our own cards ... from the second world are stored !!!

              Hope in Jeepies, but don’t be fooled. At least the presence of an old map and a compass in a backpack has not hurt anyone, and moreover, they give a guaranteed chance to go out. I have a friend - I ran into the taiga with a navigator, searched for three days. Found glory to God. The battery is dead. The face from the mosquito is swollen. The dog is lost. Very happy, however.
            2. Avis-bis
              Avis-bis April 9 2018 20: 15
              +3
              Quote: Semen1972
              What for their Jeppesen did not rest against us, we have our own cards ... from the second world are stored !!!

              You really do not know that we have a complete analogue of the "Jeppsen" - "RNA"? And Jeppsen is not the only foreign provider of aeronautical information.
            3. The comment was deleted.
            4. michey
              michey April 10 2018 08: 10
              0
              How do warplanes do without Jepssen?
      2. michey
        michey April 9 2018 17: 17
        +6
        The salary of the Design Engineer of the 1st category on Aviastar is 22-25 tr. on hands. VASO - the same thing. And somehow experts do not stand in line. So there’s no one to build airplanes, alas.
        1. alekc75
          alekc75 April 9 2018 18: 02
          +1
          don’t say what you don’t know! about salary !!!
          1. faiver
            faiver April 9 2018 18: 24
            +1
            announce your numbers
          2. michey
            michey April 10 2018 08: 11
            +1
            I just know personally, so you better shut up
        2. cormorant
          cormorant April 9 2018 18: 47
          +1
          Analyzed 30 vacancies for "Aviation Engineer Constructor, Russia"
          The lowest wage level of 38 rubles is offered in 000 job
          The average salary of 63 rubles is offered in 000 vacancies
          The highest salaries of 82 rubles are offered by 400 vacancies
          This is so, the first attempt was found ...
          1. michey
            michey April 10 2018 08: 09
            +1
            And let me throw you the telephones of the personnel department of the joint venture AViastar and VASO and you call them yourself? And then on the fence, too, it says "firewood"))) And your salaries are salaries for Moscow)
    3. NEXUS
      NEXUS April 9 2018 18: 13
      +2
      Quote: Livonetc
      Sanctions on sanctions.

      It is not even a matter of sanctions ... the legislative ground is being prepared for new domestic airliners ...
      1. Maksus
        Maksus April 9 2018 18: 55
        +2
        This is the first step to the elimination of all airlines except Aeroflot, well, maybe S7 will flounder. Well, why, scattered here, let the people pay Aeroflot, their sales are already falling.
  2. Antidote
    Antidote April 9 2018 15: 42
    +5
    Tu-154 is our everything, and you know, we got used to flying foreign cars
    1. Moor
      Moor April 9 2018 15: 47
      +30
      I appreciated the irony. But the Tu-204 is a good car, moreover, on the conveyor. It would be a desire.
      1. Guillon
        Guillon April 10 2018 13: 33
        0
        Moor, then Tu-214! yes
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 9 2018 16: 27
      +2
      Tu 154 ours is already nothing - flew off his own.
  3. Borik
    Borik April 9 2018 15: 42
    +4
    We do not have time to build the planes for ourselves, so we have to buy used ones.

    And once they provided themselves and exported.
    1. faridg7
      faridg7 April 9 2018 16: 11
      +10
      Quote: Borik
      We do not have time to build the planes for ourselves, so we have to buy used ones.

      And once they provided themselves and exported.

      Then when they provided for themselves and exported, ALL officials worked for it, and those who did something against it were “undeservedly” repressed for wrecking. And now the official for the collapse in one case is going to increase, for the collapse of another case, while his relatives are significantly growing well-being.
    2. michey
      michey April 9 2018 17: 21
      +2
      Take an interest in salaries at aviation enterprises, lending conditions for aircraft factories, lobbying B and A ...
    3. Semen1972
      Semen1972 April 9 2018 17: 48
      0
      Quote: Borik
      We do not have time to build the planes for ourselves, so we have to buy used ones.

      In terms of the portfolio of orders for our aircraft more demand ??? So it is necessary to build new workshops, since we are doing such cool aircraft !!!! What Putin is thinking about would give a loan for new workshops !!!!
      1. michey
        michey April 10 2018 08: 12
        0
        Sorry, I don’t file with the trolls
  4. Moor
    Moor April 9 2018 15: 45
    +18
    Oh, it would be nice to stop this freebie !!! Russia from the 90-x turned into a garbage can for b / ear aircraft. That's right, why dispose of old aircraft, if they can be shed off by the "natives", and even make money on it. But I am afraid that those who are sitting on the kickbacks from these deals will be strongly opposed.
    1. Don
      Don April 9 2018 15: 58
      +12
      I'm afraid you are never destined to understand the owners and shareholders of airlines buying used ones. Watermelons and Bobiki instead of new domestic Carcasses, because you argue with the concepts of false patriotism, and they - economic feasibility and benefit No.
      1. Moor
        Moor April 9 2018 16: 02
        +3
        Quote: Donskoy
        I'm afraid you are never destined to understand the owners and shareholders of airlines buying used ones. Watermelons and Bobiki instead of new domestic Carcasses, because you argue with the concepts of false patriotism, and they - economic feasibility and benefit No.

        Well, explain
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 April 9 2018 16: 22
        +6
        Quote: Donskoy
        and they - economic feasibility and benefit

        The best way to earn money is to send your wife to the panel! wink It is economically very profitable and appropriate. good
        P.S. They would also limit the import of supported truck tractors.
        1. Don
          Don April 9 2018 16: 34
          +6
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          The best way to earn money is to send your wife to the panel! wink Economically very profitable and appropriate. good

          No comments No.
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          They would also limit the import of supported truck tractors.

          You see what the matter is, the fact is that Russia itself has chosen the capitalist path of development, has itself entered into all sorts of organizations and unions, which explicitly state what is possible and what is not. Look, well, you introduced a ban on imported tractors. What instead of them? In Kamaz and Mazah we will carry huge trailers and tonars? How will such firms compete with the same Kazakhs with whom we have a single market and who will have Dafa and Merins?
          Here it is impossible to cut off the shoulder, but we need a program to develop the automotive industry and the aviation industry. Only in the course of the effective implementation of these programs it is possible to gradually introduce restrictive measures, and it is better not to introduce them at all, but to lead our companies into leaders with the help of various supports.
          1. michey
            michey April 9 2018 17: 24
            +3
            Well, start with the fact that the Tu-204-CM is a very competitive aircraft. Like the MS-21, like the same SuperJet. From their operation, the AK will not tear. Then, in the domestic air transportation market, we have no foreign AKs - with whom will you compete there?
            1. Hole puncher
              Hole puncher April 9 2018 17: 36
              +3
              Quote: michey
              Well, start with the fact that the Tu-204-CM is a very competitive aircraft.

              A friend of mine in c7 works as a technician for a long time. With regard to the Tu-204, the expressions are absolutely obscene, I was very glad when c7 got rid of him. No matter how regrettable it sounds, but businessmen, if possible, prefer foreign technology, and this is in all areas.
              1. Avis-bis
                Avis-bis April 9 2018 20: 20
                +4
                Quote: Puncher
                Quote: michey
                Well, start with the fact that the Tu-204-CM is a very competitive aircraft.

                A friend of mine in c7 works as a technician for a long time. In relation to the Tu-204, the expressions are absolutely obscene

                And you do not compare the situation in the early 2000s (when in C7 they were the 204s) and the current one. 204-100V is a complete aircraft. “Red Wings” on it flied quite normally.
              2. michey
                michey April 10 2018 08: 17
                0
                Well 1. The machine when it was exploited in the C7 was simply raw. Why raw - because there was no series on which it would be possible to immediately identify all the sores, several boards flew and the cure for childhood diseases was stretched.
                2. Very bad with the logistics of supplying spare parts. Again - because without a series the plant could not provide a normal reserve
                3. C7 had Tu-204, not Tu-204CM, on which most of the children's sores were eliminated
                4. If we think only of the momentary benefits of commerce, we will lose industry. Although it is obvious that measures are needed not only prohibitive, but also encouraging in nature, which would stimulate the use of domestic technology by tax conferences, for example
          2. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 April 9 2018 17: 55
            +1
            Quote: Donskoy
            It’s impossible to cut it off your shoulder, but you need a program to develop the automotive industry and the aviation industry

            It’s possible to hack, but a development program is needed anyway. But without chopping the program will not work.
            And the capitalist system does not prevent the United States from introducing excise taxes on aluminum. hi
          3. Astoria
            Astoria April 9 2018 19: 05
            +1
            Well, firstly, it’s not profitable to import used tractor units into the Russian Federation, but taking into account the new law, it can be said that it’s not realistic (the technical regulation requirement is a mandatory certificate of vehicle design safety, + a ban on the import of cars without an emergency call button.)

            I don’t know what you attributed here to the Kazakhs, whom Allah give to collect 2000 trucks per year (a third of which are Kamaz).

            As for trucks in the Russian Federation, see current sales statistics.
        2. Click
          Click April 10 2018 11: 17
          0
          And on Kamaz trucks the sky is smoking ...? laughing
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 April 10 2018 11: 41
            0
            Quote: Click
            And on Kamaz trucks the sky is smoking ...?

            New KAMAZ trucks have not smoked for a long time.
      3. michey
        michey April 9 2018 17: 22
        0
        Yeah, only their momentary benefit is to the detriment of the country. What will the loss of the aviation industry - guess? And in addition to the benefits of airlines do not write off the benefits of specific individuals.
        1. Hole puncher
          Hole puncher April 9 2018 17: 38
          0
          Quote: michey
          Yeah, only their momentary benefit is to the detriment of the country.

          The point is competitiveness, for example, domestic light industry fell under the onslaught of China, do you propose closing the border for imported clothing?
          1. Astoria
            Astoria April 9 2018 18: 44
            0
            Well, here you are also not quite right. Look - there was a transfer / investigation at RBC where, using the example of an hb t-shirt, it was shown what proportion remains with the t-shirt manufacturer and what share I take away the rest (if the memory does not fail me, the manufacturer’s share is a few%).

            China produces such products less and less - the cost of labor has increased (Vietnam, Bangladesh, etc.).

            Why close the border - you can simply equalize the cost with the help of duties.
            1. Hole puncher
              Hole puncher April 10 2018 03: 01
              0
              Quote: Astoria
              you can simply equalize the cost with the help of duties

              And it will be like with cars, prices will rise instantly.
              1. Astoria
                Astoria April 10 2018 08: 34
                0
                or it will be like in 404, where there is no more car production in principle wink
          2. michey
            michey April 10 2018 08: 19
            0
            Airplane prices will not rise - this is not clothing.
            And yes - I propose to close it, if necessary to preserve the industry.
            Of course, after 20 years of pogrom, our Avaiprom is not able to fight lobby A and B. And your discussion about the invisible hand of the market and fair competition is simply ridiculous, as if from 1991
    2. Semen1972
      Semen1972 April 9 2018 17: 51
      +2
      Quote: Moor
      Since the 90s, Russia has been turned into a garbage can for used aircraft.

      Aeroflot company with one of the youngest fleets in the world ... In Google you buddy, banned or something ??? The S7 is also a new fleet, including the latest A320neo. Are British Airways natives?
      1. Awaz
        Awaz April 9 2018 21: 03
        +1
        firstly, Aeroflot and Seven are updating the fleet due to pressure from the authorities (first) and good growth indicators (second) Further more. It’s poor, but our airlines have learned to compete with scorched western monsters in Europe and that’s why AlItalia died and British are breathing fine (from your words, since they have no way to update) Well, others have problems because of this, that Russian carriers are tightly capturing international transport at least from the Russian Federation to the EU, surviving all in a row, despite the inter-state agreement.
        I agree that it is necessary to develop our own aviation construction and protect the market, too, but reasonably and reasonably, creating fair competition, forcing manufacturers in the Russian Federation to do quality and not expensive. And then Aeroflot will develop, and the UAC too ..
        1. michey
          michey April 10 2018 08: 19
          +1
          They do it and it’s not expensive, and I would not say that it’s of poor quality
          1. Semen1972
            Semen1972 April 10 2018 10: 39
            0
            Quote: michey
            They do it and it’s not expensive, and I would not say that it’s of poor quality

            If the same 737 and A320 spare parts are “in every pharmacy”, then in the case of, for example, replacing a wheel with an SSJ somewhere in Paris, it will take several days. And they write on profile forums that Aeroflot superjets are much more on the earth than their competitors A and B. If you close the foreign technology market, then it makes no sense to make high-quality and low-cost aircraft. Why, and so they will buy. Didn’t it pass already? Learn the story. Boeings are not because they captured the sky because in all countries they are traitors (be surprised, but they fly around the world, can you imagine ??? there are also traitors !!!), but because the car is good.
            1. michey
              michey April 11 2018 12: 16
              0
              Yes Yes. Well, let’s teach a story - from a country with 100% self-supporting aviation industry, we have become an importer of aircraft. When the USSR, too, 2-3 days waiting for the wheel?
              There are airplanes for a simple reason - the cars are not completely run-in yet. It is ridiculous to compare the number of SSJs and the numbers of A and B in operation, and the more machines are exploited, the faster and easier their defects are detected
            2. Avis-bis
              Avis-bis April 11 2018 13: 12
              +3
              Quote: Semen1972
              Aeroflot's superjets are significantly larger on earth than their competitors A&B

              Because aeroflot. Technical operation in the AFL degraded with the withdrawal of Soviet technology. Severe forms of airbus are done in Zap. Europe, not base.
              Secondly, the AFL, even before the first arrival of su-jets, openly stated that these planes were just a bribe for the preferential import of “airbuses” and, as such, AFL su-jets are not needed. They will be beneficial, even standing on the ground. They stand.
  5. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 April 9 2018 15: 47
    0
    Thinly poor, but the whole cycle is visible.
    Euro....
  6. Alex_59
    Alex_59 April 9 2018 15: 53
    +3
    There are not so many used planes now. Key players have not bought trash for a long time.
  7. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 9 2018 16: 07
    +11
    Zero VAT on our aircraft? Strongly :)))) That is, not only how many of these treasury bills have devoured, now let's also not pay taxes on them. Wonderful
    1. Alexander War
      Alexander War April 9 2018 16: 38
      +4
      With VAT, yes, they went over it! And I welcome the ban on foreign aircraft!
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 9 2018 17: 34
        +5
        As for the ban ... in my opinion, here the UAC is right. If someone wants to fly on imported cars - let them buy new or recently released no older than 5-6 years, this is reasonable. And then they drag cheap air junk
        1. Semen1972
          Semen1972 April 9 2018 17: 54
          +1
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          As for the ban ... in my opinion, here the UAC is right. If someone wants to fly on imported cars - let them buy new or recently released no older than 5-6 years old, this is reasonable

          Why exactly 5-6 years, and not 1-2, or 10-15? And how do you explain this to the owner who buys with his own money?
          1. Astoria
            Astoria April 9 2018 18: 36
            0
            Perhaps this is the ownership cycle of the 1st owner (lessee).
        2. Town Hall
          Town Hall April 10 2018 18: 07
          +1
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          As for the ban ... in my opinion, here the UAC is right. If someone wants to fly on imported cars - let them buy new or recently released no older than 5-6 years, this is reasonable. And then they drag cheap air junk



          And how many air crashes in Russia occurred due to the fault of "cheap air junk"?
      2. Hole puncher
        Hole puncher April 9 2018 17: 40
        +1
        Quote: Alexander War
        With VAT, yes, they went over it! And I welcome the ban on foreign aircraft!

        This will lead to an increase in sky-high prices for airline tickets.
        1. Alexander War
          Alexander War April 9 2018 17: 46
          0
          Why is domestic flights cheaper in the US than in Russia, how so?
          1. Civilian
            Civilian April 9 2018 19: 23
            +2
            Quote: Alexander War
            Why is domestic flights cheaper in the US than in Russia, how so?

            And as in everything. Remember, a few years ago, Vladimir Vladimirovich asked why the cost of aviation fuel in Surgut is higher than in Orly (France).
  8. ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii April 9 2018 16: 12
    +6
    Where are the finished products, the list of manufacturers is loud, and the result for civil aviation is quiet.
  9. midshipman
    midshipman April 9 2018 16: 15
    +10
    Managed in the USSR without foreign aircraft and all flew. There were 1302 airports on the territory of the Russian Federation. And now 254 airports. Think it over! Minaviaprom enterprises employed more than 3 million specialists. Thanks to the labeled and the drunk, they practically eliminated this industry, as did the Ministry of Radio Industry, where more than 1,5 million specialists worked. He supported the import into our country of foreign aircraft for leasing (then they made it almost for nothing) Shaposhnikov (remember this). That's how they destroyed everything for the sake of private airlines. Of course, the import of foreign airliners into the Russian Federation should be prohibited.
    1. Avis-bis
      Avis-bis April 9 2018 17: 12
      +6
      Quote: midshipman
      Managed in the USSR without foreign aircraft and all flew.

      It depends on which USSR. Until the mid-1930s, the vast majority of civilian aircraft in the RSFSR / USSR were foreign. In the Air Force - until the early 1930s. "Junkers", "Dornier", "Fokkers", "Farmans" ... The engines are about the same, but at least they started to buy licenses and build on their own, and then develop independently.
      Now we are in a situation of the late 1920s. Only without Stalin.
      1. michey
        michey April 9 2018 17: 26
        +1
        Not at all like that. In the 20s, we had neither factories nor an aircraft building school, which was not yet finished.
        1. Avis-bis
          Avis-bis April 9 2018 17: 45
          +4
          Quote: michey
          Not at all like that. In the 20s, we had neither factories nor an aircraft building school, which was not yet finished.

          Well, of course, the parallel is never 100%, but 90% the situation exactly coincides with the then. There were still aircraft designers and factories in the country, not the Sikorsky one. Though, of course, everything was in ruin. And the plants today are similar to those of the time. Simply, the requirements now are such that our today's aircraft plants (the same VASO) are relatively modern, but they are in the same place as the then bed and furniture workshops of the Farman and De Haviland.
          1. michey
            michey April 10 2018 08: 21
            0
            I would not say. Just the new equipment is purchased and delivered, KNAAPO, Aviastar - fully equipped factories, technologies are being introduced - but people forget to raise their salaries.
            1. Avis-bis
              Avis-bis April 10 2018 09: 40
              +3
              Quote: michey
              new equipment is purchased and delivered

              ... which is another parallel. :)
              KNAAPO, Aviastar - fully equipped factory

              I did not say anything about them. I cited the example of VASO. Of course, it is expected that they will also modify it, there is another IL-112 to build.
    2. Hole puncher
      Hole puncher April 9 2018 17: 46
      +2
      Quote: midshipman
      Managed in the USSR without foreign aircraft and all flew. There were 1302 airports on the territory of the Russian Federation. And now 254 airports. Think it over! Minaviaprom enterprises employed more than 3 million specialists. Thanks to the labeled and the drunk, they practically eliminated this industry

      So with the drunks, the aviation industry was still moving and the share of domestic cars in the airlines was high, it was finished under the aviation industry under Putin and the airports were closed, he said in the news that there was no point in supporting the domestic aviation industry, and foreign planes should be purchased. So there is nothing to hang his sins on the dead.
  10. Guillon
    Guillon April 9 2018 16: 20
    +10
    And it's all?!? belay Few, very few! No.
    What is needed:
    1. Prohibit the purchase of Boeing at the first stage, and then all foreign cars;
    2. Tighten the Ford bolts;
    3. To sell Coca-Cola equipment, to free up areas for Russian companies, with a ban on the import of this infection from abroad;
    4. Bankrupt the factory Mars co. for the production of sneakers, mars and other crap;
    5. Nationalize the Central Bank;
    6. Further etc. etc. good
    1. Alexander War
      Alexander War April 9 2018 17: 42
      +2
      To sell Coca-Cola equipment, free up space for Russian companies, with the ban on importing this infection from behind Coca-Cola mounds, this poison must be covered for a long time!
    2. Semen1972
      Semen1972 April 9 2018 17: 57
      +2
      Quote: Gillaton
      6. Further etc. etc. good

      Well, finally the right words !!!!
      And foreign cars ... which liberalists drive .... The Urals Patriot, here’s the car of a Russian person !!!! One, we do not need these elections, the liberalists came up with a choice !!!!
      1. RL
        RL April 9 2018 18: 45
        +3
        Guys, troll. Do not be offended, but here you can get to: "ban ADIDAS! And all Western shoes! Bast shoes - these are the original shoes for the Russian people! Hurray!"
        1. Maksus
          Maksus April 9 2018 18: 57
          0
          And what for Russian cars in general? From time immemorial, the cart was a reliable companion of peasants.
      2. Svarog51
        Svarog51 April 10 2018 04: 00
        +1
        Ural Patriot, here is the car of a Russian person !!!!

        Maybe UAZ? "Ural" is somehow too big, even to go to the country. wink
    3. Awaz
      Awaz April 9 2018 21: 12
      0
      ... of course, and all the workers from these factories and factories to drive into the street to sell Chinese underpants, huh?
      This is what Americans can do, because for no matter what matters is cooperation with the Russian Federation and they don’t earn much. Another thing for the current system in the Russian Federation is work, first of all, for the simple people, regrettably.
      And strangers must be survived politely and smartly and quietly, creating conditions favorable for their own producers and slightly unsuitable for strangers, but not to drive those into a black body. For competition is needed. And without it, in 20-30 years we will again have to buy which thread an Italian or French car for mass assembly at AvtoVAZ, so that in the end we would not disgrace with the outdated Vesta in the end)))
      1. michey
        michey April 10 2018 08: 22
        0
        How did we create competitive aircraft under the USSR, huh?
  11. savage1976
    savage1976 April 9 2018 16: 24
    +2
    It’s time to ban Russian airlines from buying and renting Boeings. Play sanctions like that for an adult.
    1. Alexander War
      Alexander War April 9 2018 16: 36
      +2
      It’s time to ban Russian airlines from buying and renting Boeings. Play sanctions like that for an adult. I agree that these will be sanctions! We have a Tu-204, a Superjet and on the MS-21 campaign for the long-range Il-96-400
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 9 2018 20: 19
        0
        MS 21 will be bought, and the same An 2ms, IL 496, Superjet, and possibly in 10 years - Frigate ecojet.
  12. Alexander War
    Alexander War April 9 2018 16: 26
    +1
    How to buy a plane. Documentary
  13. Borik
    Borik April 9 2018 16: 30
    +2
    Quote: Gillaton
    And it's all?!? belay Few, very few! No.
    What is needed:
    1. Prohibit the purchase of Boeing at the first stage, and then all foreign cars;
    2. Tighten the Ford bolts;
    3. To sell Coca-Cola equipment, to free up areas for Russian companies, with a ban on the import of this infection from abroad;
    4. Bankrupt the factory Mars co. for the production of sneakers, mars and other crap;
    5. Nationalize the Central Bank;
    6. Further etc. etc. good


    Instead of Coca-Cola, you can produce your own products, so why submit equipment. Substitute indigents and drive lemonade and pinocchio with kvass.
    And instead of Mars and Snickers, bars under Russian names.
  14. Dormidont
    Dormidont April 9 2018 16: 33
    +1
    Thirty years later
  15. Kokarev Mikhail
    Kokarev Mikhail April 9 2018 16: 37
    0
    Bravo! And what was the third?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 9 2018 20: 21
      +1
      And on the third, supersonic passenger plane
      1. Kokarev Mikhail
        Kokarev Mikhail April 11 2018 09: 55
        0
        Also good!
  16. Non liberoid Russian
    Non liberoid Russian April 9 2018 16: 38
    +2
    it was about 20 years ago to do
  17. A.
    A. April 9 2018 16: 54
    +1
    Quote: Gillaton
    And it's all?!? belay Few, very few! No.
    What is needed:
    1. Prohibit the purchase of Boeing at the first stage, and then all foreign cars;
    2. Tighten the Ford bolts;
    3. To sell Coca-Cola equipment, to free up areas for Russian companies, with a ban on the import of this infection from abroad;
    4. Bankrupt the factory Mars co. for the production of sneakers, mars and other crap;
    5. Nationalize the Central Bank;
    6. Further etc. etc. good

    The trouble is that the dog EBN and Judas labeled left quite a few followers.
    1. Semen1972
      Semen1972 April 9 2018 17: 58
      +1
      Quote: Anatolyevich
      The trouble is that the dog EBN and Judas labeled left quite a few followers.

      Who??? Name sister, name !!!!
      1. Civilian
        Civilian April 9 2018 19: 30
        +1
        Quote: Semen1972
        Who??? Name sister, name !!!!

        Which you are corrosive however. We will correct you. repeat
    2. Baloo
      Baloo April 9 2018 19: 56
      +3
      Quote: Anatolyevich
      The trouble is that the dog EBN and Judas labeled left quite a few followers.

      The collapse of the domestic aircraft industry began Marshal Shaposhnikov, I remember his interview in the news on TV.
      1. Semen1972
        Semen1972 April 10 2018 10: 32
        0
        And who continues?
        1. Baloo
          Baloo April 10 2018 17: 03
          +1
          Quote: Semen1972
          And who continues?

          No one publishes how many enterprises of the military-industrial complex during the years of privatization fell under the control of the Amerz, how many of them and for whom they produce products. I venture to suggest that the answer is there.
          GDP is trying to accustom the whole world to the legal field, but is this possible? According to the flight of polygons at the Syrian Air Force airfield, it turns out no.
  18. Semen1972
    Semen1972 April 9 2018 17: 39
    +4
    PJSC United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) proposes to introduce restrictions on the import into Russia of foreign aircraft older than 5-6 years

    And do not want to introduce restrictions on the KLA leadership and the entire government, deputies and senators on movement only in Lada Kalina and rest in Crimea?
    1. Civilian
      Civilian April 9 2018 19: 36
      +2
      Quote: Semen1972
      And do not want to introduce restrictions on the KLA leadership and the entire government, deputies and senators on movement only in Lada Kalina and rest in Crimea?

      Was the news here? The head of the Kazan Helicopter fell on the Cruiser, the visor of the plant management fell. Missed. fellow
  19. Berkut24
    Berkut24 April 9 2018 17: 58
    +1
    And I would generally prohibit Boeing for use in the Russian sky. Give a year to Russian companies for the sale of aircraft, and foreigners will be able to cross the Russian border on anything, but not on US-made aircraft.
    1. NKT
      NKT April 9 2018 18: 33
      0
      And are you going to replace the market with domestic aircraft in a year? First, production is restored, and then such “high-profile statements” are made, and here, on the contrary.

      In 2017, 41 civilian aircraft were produced in the Russian Federation. Of these, short-range (SSJ-100) - 33 pcs. Long-haul - do not release. Here is the answer.
      1. Berkut24
        Berkut24 April 9 2018 20: 36
        0
        In a year it’s realistic to replace it with machines manufactured in other countries. At least Airbuses, which in each class have Boeing analogues.
  20. wicked pinnochio
    wicked pinnochio April 9 2018 18: 05
    +2
    Do not forget the Boeing. We buy titanium for the cabin body and pay good money.
    1. keeper03
      keeper03 April 9 2018 18: 20
      +2
      Who pays ?! request Apparently so good that it lets us not have civil aviation?!? what No.
      It's time to drive this Boeing and its henchmen from Russia!
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      2. Civilian
        Civilian April 9 2018 19: 40
        +2
        Quote: keeper03
        Who pays ?!

        I have long been puzzled by the news about the successes of RUSSIAN companies, with jurisdiction in cozy sunny islands, where there are many, many wild monkeys. recourse
    2. weksha50
      weksha50 April 9 2018 19: 03
      +2
      Quote: Angry Pinnochio
      Do not forget the Boeing. We buy titanium for the cabin body and pay good money.


      Google it well ... The Boeing is completely independent of OUR titanium, its deposits and production in the world are full, and we, Russia, are far from the first ...
      So Boeing by NON-shipments of titanium - do not scare ... Unfortunately ... hi
    3. michey
      michey April 10 2018 08: 23
      0
      And you think, stop buying?)))
  21. weksha50
    weksha50 April 9 2018 18: 23
    +2
    "the corporation also proposes to" prohibit the use of a temporary import regime for the commercial operation of aircraft "."..

    If I understood correctly, this is a ban on leasing foreign aircraft ... It would be nice, yes .... they are unlikely to be missed ...
    Although - we'll see ...
  22. Rostislav
    Rostislav April 9 2018 19: 11
    +2
    It's time, including and restrictions on leasing .. And also import duties.
  23. Radikal
    Radikal April 9 2018 19: 46
    0
    Quote: Donskoy
    I'm afraid you are never destined to understand the owners and shareholders of airlines buying used ones. Watermelons and Bobiki instead of new domestic Carcasses, because you argue with the concepts of false patriotism, and they - economic feasibility and benefit No.

    What is your patriotism?
  24. Baloo
    Baloo April 9 2018 19: 54
    +3
    Quote: Livonetc
    PJSC United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) proposes to introduce restrictions on the import into Russia of foreign aircraft older than 5-6 years, reports TASS.

    Quote: Livonetc
    Livonetc (Gennady) Today, 15: 40
    Sanctions on sanctions.

    I support. In Kazan a few years ago, a Boeing from Moscow collapsed. This flying trash should have been decommissioned a year earlier, but its operation was extended. On our local Internet channels there were responses from those who flew to Moscow on it — all passengers flying to Moscow were horrified, describing their feelings about the flight, and especially from the landing.
    1. Avis-bis
      Avis-bis April 9 2018 20: 24
      +4
      Quote: Balu
      In Kazan a few years ago, a Boeing from Moscow collapsed. This flying trash should have been decommissioned a year earlier, but its operation was extended. On our local Internet channels there were responses from those who flew to Moscow on it — all passengers flying to Moscow were horrified, describing their feelings about the flight, and especially from the landing.

      And you read less all sorts of "Internet channels", and more - the results of the investigation. The plane has nothing to do with it.
      1. Baloo
        Baloo April 9 2018 21: 20
        +3
        Quote: Avis-bis
        And you read less all sorts of "Internet channels", and more - the results of the investigation. The plane has nothing to do with it.

        The hint is clear, only this is a lie. No transcripts of the conversations of the pilots at the time of landing and the identification of the voices in the cockpit were published, confirming the version you are hinting at. Unlike the fall of a carcass near Smolensk and the fall of a helicopter with a swan. The second version with a high-ranking regional security officer on board also does not roll. The plane should have been written off a year earlier, this is the reason, and not the dubious documents on the training of the crew. After all, the crew are not suicides.
        Do you know how in the USSR it was strictly with the operation of aircraft? The second half of the 60s, I’m 12 years old, interested in airplanes, I dream of becoming a pilot. I am walking with my uncle on the concrete road, raising the fuse. Uncle, an engineer in the ground services met every plane and asked the crew. is everything okay, then he got up and checked.
        To my question why a whole fuse (still glass!) Lies on the concrete, my uncle answered: he worked out his life and was replaced, but they didn’t bring it to the warehouse, they lost it.
        So, the spent unit was to be disposed of, even if it seemed to be suitable.
        1. Avis-bis
          Avis-bis April 10 2018 09: 42
          +3
          Quote: Balu
          it's a lie

          Nu-nu ... Uncle, you are now 12. :) Go through the comics.
          1. Baloo
            Baloo April 10 2018 17: 04
            +1
            Quote: Avis-bis
            Quote: Balu
            it's a lie

            Nu-nu ... Uncle, you are now 12. :) Go through the comics.

            Scroll through the Navral angry fool
            1. Avis-bis
              Avis-bis April 10 2018 17: 20
              +3
              Quote: Balu

              Navralugend angry fool

              Stop thirsting without snacks, degenerate.
              1. Baloo
                Baloo April 10 2018 17: 21
                +1
                Quote: Avis-bis
                Stop thirsting without snacks, degenerate.

                Stop thirsting without snacks, degenerate and don't litter the air with your nonsense fool
                1. Avis-bis
                  Avis-bis April 11 2018 08: 33
                  +3
                  Quote: Balu
                  Quote: Avis-bis
                  Stop thirsting without snacks, degenerate.

                  Stop thirsting without snacks, degenerate and don't litter the air with your nonsense fool

                  Well. You are not able to give birth to a single thought of your own. Chtd. And you’re poking around yapping about aviation.
    2. NKT
      NKT April 9 2018 20: 25
      +1
      Do you believe the feelings of people who are afraid to fly? So they will not tell you that. But the Boeing fell not due to the fact that it is rubbish, but because of the wrong actions of the crew. The PIC had a raid on this type of only 2500 hours. In the USSR, he would fly on the right seat, and he was introduced after 2000 hours.
      1. Avis-bis
        Avis-bis April 10 2018 09: 43
        +3
        Quote: NKT
        Do you believe the feelings of people who are afraid to fly? So they will not tell you that. But the Boeing fell not due to the fact that it is rubbish, but because of the wrong actions of the crew. The PIC had a raid on this type of only 2500 hours. In the USSR, he would fly on the right seat, and he was introduced after 2000 hours.

        He knows better, Balu dreamed about him and told everything.
    3. RL
      RL April 9 2018 20: 29
      +2
      And what have the sanctions in common with the fact that the Russian supervisory authorities have extended the certification of the known junk. Look for Russian bribes in the pockets of Russian officials!
  25. MelkorAintGood
    MelkorAintGood April 9 2018 21: 19
    0
    To begin with, let your boasted MS-21 be brought to at least a small series with no PD_14 analogs, which all urapatriots consider to be better than foreign competitors for some reason, although the UEC developers in their presentations honestly admit that the PD-14 and the future PD-35 with the current level of technology development in the aviation industry in the Russian Federation (for example, composite fan blades) are at the level of engines of the late 90s and early 00s, i.e. somewhere around the GP7200 and GE90 in the case of the 35th, but ALREADY (i.e. the engine is still being designed, but it is already uncompetitive) are inferior to existing competitors (Leap and GEnx / GE9x) and are STRONGLY inferior to potential promising developments.
  26. iouris
    iouris April 9 2018 21: 44
    0
    Again. We should not talk about the plane, but about the product. Is UAC ready to offer a competitive product? And the second one. Under these conditions, UAC must offer a product 100% independent of external supplies.
    1. Baloo
      Baloo April 10 2018 17: 06
      +1
      Quote: iouris
      Under these conditions, UAC must offer a product 100% independent of external supplies.

      The fact of the matter is that import substitution in this industry is not working properly so far and the reason is in small-scale production. Anyway, the impression that there is a brake.
  27. misti1973
    misti1973 April 10 2018 01: 01
    0
    If possible, you need to use your own, otherwise our aircraft industry will not rise.
    1. abvgdeika
      abvgdeika April 10 2018 01: 27
      0
      Sounds like more expensive?
  28. Lynx33
    Lynx33 April 10 2018 07: 59
    0
    It is not necessary to limit, but it is normal to organize domestic leasing and tie the percentage of state support to the domestic manufacturer to the percentage of domestic equipment used on board.