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Can the Syrian MiG-25 withstand the American "Tomahawk"?

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The Syrian Air Force has limited capabilities to destroy American Tomahawk cruise missiles, writes Messenger of Mordovia.


Can the Syrian MiG-25 withstand the American "Tomahawk"?


For example, the Air Force still has about thirty MiG-25PDs (Foxbat - "flying fox").

“A radar station installed on its board is capable of detecting targets against the background of the earth. There is also a heat finder, which can also detect an air enemy. There are P-40RD, P-40TD and P-60 missiles. However, military experts doubt that this equipment and these missiles are now capable of effectively performing their tasks. Still, the age of these machines and their armaments has passed for three decades, ”- said in a publication by Igor Drozdov.

Perhaps a few aircraft will be able to take to the air, as it was recently during the reflection of the Israeli raid, but they can do little with a massive strike with Tomahawks, the newspaper notes.

The same applies to the MiG-23 aircraft as part of the SAR Air Force - they are outdated and heavily worn out.

According to the author, the only modern aircraft can be considered MiG-29, especially in the modification of the MiG-29CM (SMT), "but there are only about three dozen, and the number of upgraded machines is a few."

Therefore, the Syrians can rely only on their anti-aircraft systems and systems of the Russian VKS deployed in the republic, concludes the publication.
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  1. vorobey
    vorobey April 9 2018 13: 15
    +19
    Americans are afraid to let tomahawks .. Israelis are let down ... and Israelis have long been picking up the key to the anti-aircraft defense system ... but 3 out of 8 .. not so hot how it happened ..

    Iskander life-giving .. sobering the people of Moses ..
    1. Maz
      Maz April 9 2018 13: 17
      +2
      In principle, even a slingshot can threaten American tomahawks. But I prefer the s-400
      1. User
        User April 9 2018 14: 00
        +1
        Sorry for the possibly stupid question, maybe I didn’t notice in the news on VO, but during today's strike on Syria whose air defense intercepted? ATS, RF, jointly?
        1. vorobey
          vorobey April 9 2018 14: 09
          +5
          Quote: User
          did air defense intercept? ATS, RF, jointly?


          silence ... no data .. but ours all saw it for sure ..
          1. Don
            Don April 9 2018 16: 13
            +2
            Quote: vorobey
            silence ... no data .. but ours all saw it for sure.

            Those. Are your words based on guesses? And what does it mean to see? Detected, guided the target, guided air defense systems, highlighted? And for some reason, it also seems to me that ours chose a defense style where it is not necessary to shoot down missiles. Suffice it to say that not three missiles were fired, but 8, of which 5 were shot down. After all, it is impossible to prove how accurately shot down. This is all for domestic consumption, as our MO then knows exactly how many were let down and how many were shot down. Moreover, Israelis know from the USA and NATO. That is why, it seems to me that they are not afraid to regularly hit Syria. This is all, I repeat for the fools, guesses. I hope ... although what to hope ... all the same, the blows will continue until a real, effective answer is given in the teeth of the brazen masters of the world
            1. SOF
              SOF April 9 2018 17: 18
              +4
              Quote: Donskoy
              Suffice it to say that not three missiles were fired, but 8, 5 of which were shot down

              ...and you have something to confirm your words or is it - as idiocy .... sorry, of course - "seems"...
            2. Doliva63
              Doliva63 April 9 2018 19: 14
              +5
              "... an effective response to the teeth of the brazen masters of the world."
              The most effective option is to abandon capitalism, the dollar and their rules of the game.
              1. misti1973
                misti1973 April 9 2018 22: 06
                +1
                You need to speak at rallies. There, your "empty" will go with a bang.
            3. misti1973
              misti1973 April 9 2018 22: 08
              0
              Our MO in due time profumbled Palmyra! So that may not know.
              1. Black Colonel
                Black Colonel April 9 2018 23: 50
                0
                You then, it seems, Palmyra kept a pulse on the pulse, were in the know about all the local affairs there. They just watched our MO react, right?
        2. LMN
          LMN April 9 2018 14: 09
          +5
          Moscow. April 9th. INTERFAX.RU - Israeli planes launched a missile strike from Lebanese airspace at an airfield in Syria on Monday night, the Russian Defense Ministry said.

          "On April 9, between 3:25 a.m. to 3:53 a.m. (Moscow time), two Israeli Air Force F-15 aircraft, without entering Syrian airspace, from Lebanon struck eight guided missiles at the Tifor airfield," a Russian source said military department.

          They added that the Syrian air defense units were able to destroy five guided missiles, and three missiles reached the western part of the airfield. The Russian Ministry of Defense said that there are no Russian advisers in Syria.
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 April 9 2018 16: 15
        +3
        Quote: Maz
        But I prefer the s-400

        Your preference is expensive. The cost of the S-400 missile is higher than that of the Tomahawk, and the number of axes is greater than the S-400 missiles. Axes are better with Shells (my not too professional opinion). hi
        1. misti1973
          misti1973 April 9 2018 22: 05
          +2
          The shells can surely work on them, if only the target designation will be provided by the S-300, S-400, Antey complex radar. Yes, and even then not all missiles will work.
      3. misti1973
        misti1973 April 9 2018 22: 10
        0
        You can rush to a tank with a saber. True, they will kill! But they will write that he died as a hero.
    2. Kars
      Kars April 9 2018 13: 21
      +9
      In principle, the tomahawk is a low-speed, poorly maneuvering target. The only thing that flies low would be targeting and pointing the tomahawk from the air cannon to shoot down.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey April 9 2018 13: 23
        +5
        Quote: Kars
        In principle, the tomahawk is a low-speed, poorly maneuvering target. The only thing that flies low would be targeting and pointing the tomahawk from the air cannon to shoot down.


        for this, there is a shell C. Hi Andryukha .. drinks
        1. Kars
          Kars April 9 2018 13: 45
          +2
          Hello))
          Panzer is cool. But he is an ax only on the approach of seeing the plane. You can protect a large area.
          1. vorobey
            vorobey April 9 2018 13: 51
            +4
            Quote: Kars
            Hello))
            Panzer is cool. But he is an ax only on the approach of seeing the plane. You can protect a large area.


            a recent article was the Husits ​​in Yemen, the Saudis shot an air-to-air missile by launching it from a ground launcher laughing laughing

            and where to raise planes ... Jews did not enter Syrian airspace from Lebanese territory ... they fired rockets over Lebanon?
          2. Orionvit
            Orionvit April 9 2018 15: 00
            +1
            Quote: Kars
            You can protect a large area from an airplane.

            To detect such objects, the A-100. Is ideal in terms of detection and targeting. Mig-25, for low-flying did not sharpen. Even the MIG-31, and the one with cruise missiles is not quite a fighter.
            1. yaros
              yaros April 9 2018 16: 34
              +1
              Well, actually, the MIG-31 was designed to fight cruise missiles, in addition to intercepting aircraft, I wonder what he is not a fighter in?
              1. Orionvit
                Orionvit April 9 2018 17: 35
                +1
                Quote: yaros
                I wonder what he is not a fighter?

                Because constructively, this is a high-altitude high-speed interceptor and its "workplace", this is the stratosphere. To combat cruise missiles, the same MIG-29 is much better. With proper ground support and guidance.
        2. NEXUS
          NEXUS April 9 2018 18: 15
          0
          Quote: vorobey
          for this, there is a shell C.

          In Hmeimim already Shell-C2 is ... hi
        3. ZVO
          ZVO April 9 2018 21: 05
          +1
          Quote: vorobey
          Quote: Kars
          In principle, the tomahawk is a low-speed, poorly maneuvering target. The only thing that flies low would be targeting and pointing the tomahawk from the air cannon to shoot down.


          for this, there is a shell C. Hi Andryukha .. drinks


          And where and how will you place the armor and in what quantity?
          Is the Carapace capable of simultaneously conducting 10-current low-flying (25 meters high) in the envelope of the terrain, respectively, the radio horizon and the speed of exit from the firing zone - do it yourself?
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh April 9 2018 14: 49
        +1
        "if target designation and tomahawk guidance can be brought down from an air gun." ////

        It's right. British air defense planes shot down German KR V-1 even on
        screw fighters, sometimes machine guns, sometimes even a ram.
        They circled continuously, replacing each other, who noticed - knocked down.
        And today, if there is a target designation in advance, then it’s easy to catch and shoot down from above.
        What Tomahawks, what Caliber.
        1. misti1973
          misti1973 April 9 2018 21: 59
          0
          Yeah, if only from a cannon. And there are few cartridges in it.
      3. Orionvit
        Orionvit April 9 2018 14: 57
        +1
        Quote: Kars
        tomahawk low speed, poorly maneuvering target

        Up to 900 km / h, not quite and low speed. Yes, and they maneuver normally, barrels with loops do not twist, but the terrain is enveloped regularly.
        1. hrych
          hrych April 9 2018 20: 28
          +1
          Quote: Orionvit
          Up to 900 km / h, not quite and low speed

          880 km per hour is the maximum speed at altitude. It flies as low as possible and goes around the Tomahawk relief at a speed of the order of half a Mach or a little less than 600 km per hour, i.e. piston Messer so could accelerate. Envelope relief - extremely primitive maneuvering, the whole chip in close to the target popping up from the horizon. Radar Barrier at Mig-31, was designed specifically for the selection of targets stalking near the ground. In fact, the 31st, their entire doctrine was overturned when they completely abandoned the high-speed high-altitude breakthrough, abandoned Drozd and brought the Valkyrie, but also became a very effective tool against the promising (then) Tomahawks. They also changed because of him the doctrine of the use of CR, instead of dozens of nuclear Tomahawks, decided to launch thousands of non-nuclear ones, and the ZhPS allowed them to hit exactly the target (theoretically), they say they won’t cope with the swarm, like someone will break through.
          1. ZVO
            ZVO April 9 2018 21: 11
            +1
            Quote: hrych
            Radar Barrier at Mig-31, was designed specifically for the selection of targets stalking near the ground. In fact, the 31st, their entire doctrine was overturned when they completely abandoned the high-speed high-altitude breakthrough, abandoned Drozd and brought the Valkyrie, but also became a very effective tool against the promising (then) Tomahawks.


            Do not smack nonsense ...
            Mig-31 was not able to shoot down more than 1 Tomahawk in a massive attack ...
            He did not have enough time from the moment of selection and goals and guidance to the point. no fuel.
            And the tomahawks in the salvo could be several hundred ...
            Only in one hit.

            All this nonsense about the focus of the MiG-31 against the Ax is complete nonsense.
            Axes can be shot down by absolutely any plane with a normal radar with target selection against the background of the earth.
            1. Orionvit
              Orionvit April 9 2018 21: 34
              0
              Quote: ZVO
              All this nonsense about the focus of the MiG-31 against the Ax - complete nonsense

              So is it written on Wikipedia, or do you not trust Wikipedia ?. After all, this is a storehouse of wisdom. laughing
              1. hrych
                hrych April 9 2018 22: 57
                +1
                Quote: Orionvit
                Wikipedia ?. After all, this is a storehouse of wisdom.

                No, read better Military Review, here all the topics have been analyzed and more than once
                https://topwar.ru/120699-mig-31-istrebitel-mira.h
                tml
                In particular, where it is said:
                The main task of the MiG-31 was to protect our vast Arctic territories from the attack of subsonic cruise missiles, including from low-flying Tomahawk-type missiles (the development of these weapons was just in the 1970s).
            2. misti1973
              misti1973 April 9 2018 21: 55
              0
              It’s not a matter of seeing on the radar (although now they have very small “axes” of composites and EPRs). You need a rocket to hit. Tomahawks maneuver, and we have rockets with a semi-active head. Here I will see how it will be easy.
            3. hrych
              hrych April 9 2018 22: 50
              0
              How very clever a wise guy should know that the main political and economic centers of the USSR / RF are thousands of kilometers from the border and coast, the time spent in flight Tomahawk, from the territory of, say, Germany, through the German Democratic Republic, Poland and the Baltic states, say to Moscow, is estimated ... hours . Let's say from Hamburg to Moscow almost 1800 kilometers, i.e. fly exactly 3 hours. This is me about the reaction time of the interceptors, there was also a continuous radar coverage, and already after passing the first line of defense this creature would have been fixed. Moreover, the sadness of people like you around the terrain on the Russian Plain is not very effective. There could not be several hundred Tomahawks in one salvo, there were few of them in nuclear equipment with inertial guidance, they did not concentrate in one place, and sea carriers did not have universal launchers and even the cruiser carried several pieces. Now the border has approached, but there is a treaty and the Tomahawks only on sea carriers, and then an hour and a half will fly from Poland.
              1. ZVO
                ZVO April 9 2018 23: 12
                0
                Quote: hrych
                How very clever a wise guy should know that the main political and economic centers of the USSR / RF are thousands of kilometers from the border and coast, the time spent in flight Tomahawk, from the territory of, say, Germany, through the German Democratic Republic, Poland and the Baltic states, say to Moscow, is estimated ... hours . Let's say from Hamburg to Moscow almost 1800 kilometers, i.e. fly exactly 3 hours. This is me about the reaction time of the interceptors, there was also a continuous radar coverage, and already after passing the first line of defense this creature would have been fixed. Moreover, the sadness of people like you around the terrain on the Russian Plain is not very effective. There could not be several hundred Tomahawks in one salvo, there were few of them in nuclear equipment with inertial guidance, they did not concentrate in one place, and sea carriers did not have universal launchers and even the cruiser carried several pieces. Now the border has approached, but there is a treaty and the Tomahawks only on sea carriers, and then an hour and a half will fly from Poland.


                1. Here are just the TU for the Tomahawks in those days there were several hundred, and you remember. What did PU Tomahawk look like? I remember these pictures very well ... and they are the first - they were all in nuclear equipment.


                2. It is only on our theater that the normal flight height for the tomahawk is 30 meters. And in the flat areas. down to 15 meters.
                For maps for terkoma and dsmak - are updated every 2 weeks ...
                And you don’t even need to bend around the topography especially.
                For all the PVO at such a height becomes simply useless.

                3. In the current conditions, with 5 tomahawks only on available media - more than enough for the eyes ...

                4. How many airplanes do we currently have in the Western theater, which, in which case, will be able to drop the border guard from the enemy air force and start chasing a couple of hundred Tomahawks?
                1. hrych
                  hrych April 10 2018 00: 49
                  +1
                  Quote: ZVO
                  In the current conditions, with 5 tomahawks only on available media - more than enough for the eyes ...

                  Judging by the flag, you are in Russia and apparently this bowl will pass you if something and the Tomahawks select their wassat On a one and a half hour flight from Tomahawk to Moscow, Washington will burn in 20 minutes because the ICBM flight time is such, and if with a submarine, it depends on the patrol area for about 10 minutes. This is a word about the threat of this superweapon. The best defense is a guaranteed and comprehensive answer. Trident 2 even flies in 10-30 minutes, and then the clock for a reaction laughing 5 thousand Tomahawks are non-nuclear, because they are super-high-precision type of ZhPS help them, etc. laughing True, we will turn off his reception, seek out EMP, etc. The Mig-31 interceptors were designed for that time and for the technological level that I wrote about. And now the interceptors do not need to chase. Now there are other possibilities. Mig-31 with its Barrier, can work like an AWACS aircraft and aim other planes, okay enough about it. Well, okay, there’s such a ZGRLS called Container, it is a strategic locator, an early warning, but unlike Voronezh, it sees 3000 km not warheads popping up due to the radio horizon and flying at an altitude of hundreds and thousands of kilometers, but at least near the surface meter and the same 3000 km. Already a massive attack of the Kyrgyz Republic will fix and give the command to burn the United States. He will also bring air defense means to the Kyrgyz Republic and other stealth. Still, to sneak near the ground and go around the terrain, you must turn on the altimeter, and he phonite. Another sadness for Western strategists and henchmen is that five thousand Tomahawks are located on surface ships and submarines. So, to give a salvo of 5 thousand missiles, you need to fit all the troughs, but right to our coast, for they have a range limit of 1000 km, well, one and a half, they can fly up to 2,5 thousand in the nuclear. Naturally, all carriers and these 5 thousand are scattered around the globe, in fact, where these vessels are floating, it takes a month to adjust them all, and this can be seen from technical intelligence. Submarines, yes, can still send a volley of hundreds of missiles, they can get closer to the shore, but not in thousands. Do you even understand this? All carriers are marine and everything must be adjusted to the launch distance. And there is coastal defense, and also PLO. Frontier from the coast still needs to be overcome. And secondly, I personally hope that we will be the first to deliver a preemptive strike, or rather the first to attack, deliver a disarming strike, crush the defenses and burn their civilization and their lousy people. At least those devices that Putin advertised will allow this when our army is saturated with them. Well, their coast is completely vulnerable to weapons on different principles, of the same torpedo with a hundred or two megatons. am
            4. hrych
              hrych April 9 2018 22: 59
              +2
              Quote: ZVO
              All this nonsense about the focus of the MiG-31 against the Ax is complete nonsense.

              https://topwar.ru/120699-mig-31-istrebitel-mira.h
              tml
              In particular, where it is said on Military Review:
              The main task of the MiG-31 was to protect our vast Arctic territories from the attack of subsonic cruise missiles, including from low-flying Tomahawk-type missiles (the development of these weapons was just in the 1970s).
              But apparently there is more important pepper than military experts and historians wassat
            5. NN52
              NN52 April 9 2018 23: 39
              +1
              ZVO

              Well, I’m watching Alex, are you in a blow today about MiG 31 ... 1 Gavk for one plane flight ????
              Where have you read this?
              It’s nothing that some time ago during the exercises, over the cold sea, the guys from couple 31, in the Kyrgyz Republic, and fired from different directions in one square, worked perfectly .. For 4 missiles at an altitude of 30 m, the consumption of 5 rockets ...
              1. ZVO
                ZVO April 10 2018 06: 08
                0
                Quote: NN52
                ZVO

                Well, I’m watching Alex, are you in a blow today about MiG 31 ... 1 Gavk for one plane flight ????
                Where have you read this?
                It’s nothing that some time ago during the exercises, over the cold sea, the guys from couple 31, in the Kyrgyz Republic, and fired from different directions in one square, worked perfectly .. For 4 missiles at an altitude of 30 m, the consumption of 5 rockets ...


                And where to read about "your" tests?
                Because. what where I read - they are usually high-altitude and with 1 rocket ...
          2. misti1973
            misti1973 April 9 2018 21: 58
            0
            Yes, they were not going to be pulled by nuclear "axes"! These are all horror stories.
    3. sabakina
      sabakina April 9 2018 13: 23
      +4
      Sasha, in the morning it was 5 out of 8.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey April 9 2018 13: 26
        +7
        Quote: sabakina
        Sasha, in the morning it was 5 out of 8.


        I heard ... all the variations .. there were two planes .. so I’m swapping version 28 .. unless the pilots loaded the extra ammunition into their cockpit .. laughing laughing

        Israel is silent ... Americans disowned .. ours clearly said whose cat shit in sneakers ..

        And Slavik .. re-read our comments .. we are talking about the same thing in different words ... I'm talking about flown and you're talking about intercepted .. laughing laughing
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 April 9 2018 13: 39
          +7
          Quote: vorobey
          ours clearly said whose cat shit in sneakers ..

          Some kind of mess in the Middle East Federal District. Consequently, the governor of the Israeli autonomous region will soon fly to Moscow, "on the carpet." Again bibi rolls budget money, got it ... am In short, it's time to put Tzipi Livni in IzRAO. laughing
          1. vorobey
            vorobey April 9 2018 13: 45
            +5
            Quote: Paranoid50
            Consequently, the governor of the Israeli autonomous region will soon fly to Moscow, "on the carpet." Again bibi rolls budget money, got it


            Bibi is roofed by a sunny clown .. therefore he will not fly to the carpet soon ... will fly when Syrian C300-400 not ours, namely Syrian, appear on the border ..

            I was alerted by another ... the fact that our electronic warfare was confronted with strong opposition whose source has not yet been determined .. but sworn friends shouted how they lagged behind us in this ..
            1. Paranoid50
              Paranoid50 April 9 2018 13: 51
              +6
              Quote: vorobey
              our electronic warfare was faced with strong opposition whose source has not yet been determined ..

              Here you also need to see what source is broadcasting about this "indefinite source." yes In addition to one frail link did not meet anything. request
              1. vorobey
                vorobey April 9 2018 13: 55
                +4
                Quote: Paranoid50
                Here you also need to see what source is broadcasting about this "indefinite source." In addition to one frail link did not meet anything.


                there’s no need to rush ... we’ll wait .. there are specialists with big heads ... they will find the source .. and the switch .. laughing laughing
            2. misti1973
              misti1973 April 9 2018 21: 49
              0
              They are shouting for their congress. They want more money.
        2. Kent0001
          Kent0001 April 9 2018 13: 59
          +6
          Israel hit the Iranians. We do not defend the sky of Syria, soon it will become a super meme to discredit our air defense systems.
          1. vorobey
            vorobey April 9 2018 14: 07
            +4
            Quote: Kent0001
            Israel hit the Iranians. We do not defend the sky of Syria, soon it will become a super meme to discredit our air defense systems.


            Assad is thinking about ... let him build a new air defense ... the fact that ours is now running their own there and taking readings from American invisibles is one thing, but the Syrians are thinking about what ..
            1. ZVO
              ZVO April 9 2018 21: 13
              0
              Quote: vorobey


              Assad is thinking about ... let him build a new air defense ... t.


              and where will he get the money for a new air defense?
    4. PalBor
      PalBor April 9 2018 14: 01
      +3
      Three out of eight passed, and five were shot down ... OK, given the "performance" of the Patriots in Saudi Arabia.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt April 9 2018 14: 59
        +6
        Quote: vorobey
        Assad is thinking about ... let him build a new air defense ... the fact that ours is now running their own there and taking readings from American invisibles is one thing, but the Syrians are thinking about what ..

        It seems to me that Assad is seeking all possible reserves in order to adequately equip his army to fight the Basmachi. If it were not for our constant help, it would be really bad. Therefore, invest $ 5-10 billion in a multi-level system (which we could if he could build together with the Belarusians, by the way) Assad, well, can not.
        P.S. + Such a "system" must be combined with modern air defense fighters, and this is even more Tugriks.
        1. misti1973
          misti1973 April 9 2018 21: 47
          0
          Well, of course! Putin lent him $ 14 billion. They simply fear serious clinging with Israel. The United States will join in. The EU and Saudi Arabia are behind them. It’s not for you to persecute Calibra with dumb souls. Remember what meat grinder you made in Iraq? And their technology has not become worse since.
    5. Lavrenti Pavlovich
      Lavrenti Pavlovich April 9 2018 14: 59
      +4
      Quote: vorobey
      Americans are afraid to let tomahawks .. Israelis are let down ... and Israelis have long been picking up the key to the anti-aircraft defense system ... but 3 out of 8 .. not so hot how it happened ..

      Iskander life-giving .. sobering the people of Moses ..

      Israel is training Syrian air defense and missile defense quite well, for some reason they don’t write where they went and that they destroyed the rockets that burst. The Arabs are always slack, an acquaintance was on a business trip to Libya in 1985-86 and said that ours had been warned of an American raid, Libyan air defense had been brought into full combat. After the raid, the Libyans brought a melted cockpit from the C 200, like for repair, in short turned on the radar and went to drink tea, at that moment the American rocket flew in at the signal - that's how the Arabs are fighting. In Syria, a little better lunch break is what is worth during the offensive. But Israel, I hope it will raise its combat training, they will relax less.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey April 9 2018 15: 20
        +3
        Quote: Lavrenty Pavlovich
        for some reason they don’t write where they hit and that they destroyed the bursting rockets.


        already three indistinct pictures are walking on the network .. google ... laughing laughing even re-post I was too lazy ..
    6. misti1973
      misti1973 April 9 2018 22: 13
      0
      They don’t want a serious war. Is that really bad? And there is nobody to be afraid! A couple of Arly Berks will come up and 100 pieces as they give! And what-all knocked down?
  2. Vard
    Vard April 9 2018 13: 16
    0
    An interesting problem ... If the planes fly ... then they fly ... And if not ... then what is the conversation ...
    1. vorobey
      vorobey April 9 2018 13: 17
      +4
      Quote: Vard
      An interesting problem ... If the planes fly ... then they fly ... And if not ... then what is the conversation ...


      corncob is also an airplane. but it’s impossible to use it against an ax ... we are talking about it ...
  3. bazzbazz
    bazzbazz April 9 2018 13: 17
    +1
    Have our knocked down at least one tamahawk? while only the Syrians are working on obsolete air defense.
    1. vorobey
      vorobey April 9 2018 13: 21
      +8
      Quote: bazzbazz
      Have our knocked down at least one tamahawk? while only the Syrians are working on obsolete air defense.


      we won’t find out the truth ... even from the previous attack on the Shayrat .. everyone watches the face ... Americans and Jews scream that all 100500 launched flew ours, they scream that all 100500 launched were shot down ..

      but in general .. if an ax flies to bomb a garbage heap, I think it’s inappropriate to bother him at all .. laughing laughing
      1. misti1973
        misti1973 April 9 2018 21: 41
        0
        One "got lost."
  4. bazzbazz
    bazzbazz April 9 2018 13: 23
    +1
    but in general .. if an ax flies to bomb a garbage heap, I think it’s inappropriate to bother him at all .. laughing laughing

    Are you talking about that, I'm sorry? I hope not about the whole of Syria)
    1. vorobey
      vorobey April 9 2018 13: 28
      +3
      Quote: bazzbazz
      but in general .. if an ax flies to bomb a garbage heap, I think it’s inappropriate to bother him at all .. laughing laughing

      Are you talking about that, I'm sorry? I hope not about the whole of Syria)


      I'm talking about Shairat .. that they bombed there and what they achieved with it .. only the rubbish heaps were leveled ..
  5. Palagecha
    Palagecha April 9 2018 13: 43
    0
    Such strikes are a very serious concern for concern ... wassat
  6. Samara_63
    Samara_63 April 9 2018 14: 20
    +3
    Russia will not be able to do anything there either, everything will be destroyed for the first 5 minutes ...

    It’s just that you need to really transfer at least 3 air defense regiments, two combined arms divisions, a large group of electronic warfare troops to Syria ... then you can visit ...
    1. misti1973
      misti1973 April 9 2018 21: 40
      0
      EW against Tomogawks is useless! And their strategists are so stuffed with electronics that you’ll get the hell out of it. And the F-35 is the same. And why be there? Assad protect? Syria will be without him.
      1. kan123
        kan123 April 10 2018 10: 10
        +1
        Go to the train. I respect you, but they demand that you unconditionally capitalize, surrender all your assets — oligarchs simply throw in money — for such chaos, your surrender, in front of the suckers — your weakness, dear. We don’t give anything to Syria - the main ones on the Continent. You will have fun with your overheated exchanges - you need to respect yourself. Learn if you are not Jewish. Who is to us with what, that of that and that. Syria to them to hand over - your ass to them not to hand over - you will like it when you in. will have stoned blacks. What else do you want to take - Syria, Crimea. Voronezh, Rostov. To Moscow. Vlad, - Tutaev my land. The United States is creating another Libya in Syria - where they kill rape, where lawlessness - they want to do it in Syria. We are not obligated to protect them - but this is not right for the United States to act. They must be punished for lawlessness - you put criminals in a cage - in the global sense, the same thing.
    2. kan123
      kan123 April 10 2018 09: 55
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      Putin is an ideal security officer — he will come up with something — of course, combined arms units must be introduced into Syria as a whole. Only it will no longer be liberal Brezhnev - where you cannot shoot pinos - or Jews, for their war with Iran. This zone is totally Russian. There are no prisoners to take, and no one for a hundred bucks in the United States will no longer be hired - this is our continent. Continent of Arabs, Russians, Europeans, Chinese. We do not need s with our captures of our own refineries in the same Syria. The bombing should have been carried out, from this Udmurt Shoigu, after at least one soldier died there for an oil refinery belonging to Syria. When the jokes end, if not, we can laugh too. Must be able to.
  7. mihai_md2003
    mihai_md2003 April 9 2018 14: 35
    +1
    Talk alone. Can not really prevent any bumps. You can throw as many caps as you like. You can only stop if you bomb the otvetku. (it is possible with the wording of the rocket the old pier rusted off course)
    1. misti1973
      misti1973 April 9 2018 21: 36
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      The axes are now made of polymers and composites. There is nothing to rust there.
  8. loki565
    loki565 April 9 2018 14: 41
    +2
    NO CAN, the question is closed
  9. mihai_md2003
    mihai_md2003 April 9 2018 14: 48
    +1
    Quote: bazzbazz
    but in general .. if an ax flies to bomb a garbage heap, I think it’s inappropriate to bother him at all ..
    Are you talking about that, I'm sorry? I hope not about the whole of Syria)

    I fundamentally disagree with you. If we said we should shoot down, we must shoot down and not talk then it still doesn’t hurt us !. Tomorrow arrives where it hurts.
    1. misti1973
      misti1973 April 9 2018 21: 34
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      He won’t fly to our base. And he’ll fly to others. Putin already helped them a lot. He also gave him a loan. Once again for air defense.
  10. Lerych
    Lerych April 9 2018 14: 51
    +3
    The fact that the Syrian air defense was treated with “jammers” does not mean the high efficiency and technology of the attacking side ... Something was shot down, which means they are taught something. The state of air defense of the ATS is very weak. Just transfer systems-money down the drain ... You need to train specialists, or sit down at the remote control yourself. The first is not fast. Second -....
    1. stone
      stone April 9 2018 17: 28
      +4
      Something was shot down ... Yes, stop repeating this nonsense after the Syrians. They didn’t bring down anything, they invent it as usual! So much already stuffed, but not a single fragment lol
  11. Drovosek
    Drovosek April 9 2018 15: 16
    +1
    Can the Syrian MiG-25 withstand the American "Tomahawk"?

    MiG 25 can well withstand the American Tomogawks (for this fighter it is a feasible goal), the main thing is to have time to raise the fighters into the air, because with a massive strike with "axes" airfields will be a priority target))
    1. Orionvit
      Orionvit April 9 2018 17: 48
      +3
      Quote: Drovosek
      for this fighter is a feasible goal)

      Nonsense. MiG-25 is a high-altitude high-speed interceptor. At low altitudes and speeds, it is poorly controlled and generally imprisoned for other purposes. When it was created, it completely coped with the “cruise missiles” of those years, in which the heights were quite imaginary. New generations of cruise missiles such as Tomahawk or X-55 are products that fly in other ranges of speeds and altitudes. For example, you will not go to the duck with a machine gun, it is pointless, you will take a shotgun, since it is more effective in these conditions. There is about the same thing, each bird has its own prey.
  12. misti1973
    misti1973 April 9 2018 21: 32
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    Yes, and there is little hope for anti-aircraft complexes with a massive strike. The shell alone takes them badly because of the low-lying radar. That is, air defense should be layered. If they deliver a massive strike (which they don’t need at all), they will destroy the radars first. And without air defense radars, not air defense.
  13. STORM 12
    STORM 12 April 10 2018 00: 30
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    Quote: misti1973
    They don’t want a serious war. Is that really bad? And there is nobody to be afraid! A couple of Arly Berks will come up and 100 pieces as they give! And what-all knocked down?


    while they will come up ,,,,
  14. kan123
    kan123 April 10 2018 09: 47
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    RF, again, as this boh laid to her - not life, but a continuous battle, where the prisoner is not taken, that would simply be the RF, on this planet. We, for a century now, are all one and the same — we are some, enemies of mankind — who will come running to save them — oh yes — we have the Russian Federation. How would we isolate ourselves from these matters - we will burn the country again so that the planet lives - let’s go to f.
  15. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion April 10 2018 15: 55
    +1
    Quote: misti1973
    It’s not a matter of seeing on the radar (although now they have very small “axes” of composites and EPRs). You need a rocket to hit. Tomahawks maneuver, and we have rockets with a semi-active head. Here I will see how it will be easy.


    Take a couple of conflicts against countries that do not have strong air defense. Of course, according to the American version, the efficiency was 99 percent, but in fact it was not so beautiful. The effectiveness of using the Tomahawks in Yugoslavia was 65 percent, in Iraq during the “Desert Storm” 55 percent. This was with the simultaneous use of hundreds of NATO aircraft with bombs and missiles. Despite this, Serbian pilots managed to shoot down tomahawks even from air guns. According to Soviet intelligence, a total of 282 tomahawks were fired over Iraq during the entire Desert Storm. Some 130 did not reach the target. Partly for technical reasons, but most were shot down. Mostly from Strela and Igla MANPADS, and also from ZU-23-2 and ZPU-4. Moreover, the fire on the tomahawks was often carried out visually, and not with the help of radars. But the truth was played by the fact that the Iraqis had previously determined the likely routes of the KR. There were only 2 of them, due to the terrain .And throughout the routes, round-the-clock duty of air defense calculations was organized. It was due to unsuccessful missile attacks that didn’t pay for themselves in this war that the USA later refused to use tomahawks in the daytime. So do not exaggerate. The relief in Syria is certainly more complicated, and more suitable for the inconspicuous passage of the Kyrgyz Republic, unlike the more flat Iraq, but do not hesitate, the Syrians are studying. A bad experience is also an experience, with competent analysis.