Czech armored import of Ukraine

The APU received the first batch (presumably 30 units) of infantry combat vehicles BMP-1AK of a licensed Czechoslovak production, supplied by the Polish company Wtorplast, reports bmpd with reference to the Ukrainian magazine "New time".

According to the information, the 2016-2017 of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine signed contracts for the purchase of 200 infantry fighting vehicles BMP-1AK infantry XNUMX, "which now began to enter the troops after assembly and repair at the Zhytomyr Armored Plant" (ZHBZ).

It is reported that, within the framework of this contract, “ZHBZ acquired the retired BMP-1 licensed Czechoslovak edition 1980 of the Czech army from the Polish company Wtorplast, which previously purchased them from the Czech company Excalibur Army at 20-25 thousand euros per unit ( that is, actually at the price of scrap metal) ".

The Poles dismantled the BMP (they removed the towers), and the ZHBZ imported all of this separately to Ukraine.

According to the magazine, "each tower was estimated at 66 thousand dollars, and each chassis - at 99 thousand dollars." Then the Zhytomyr plant assembled and repaired. The cost of the work was about $ 40 thousand per unit.

The military department of Ukraine buys from ZHBZ repaired armored vehicles for $ 205 thousand per unit.

Combat vehicles are considered to be upgraded according to the BMP-1AK variant, where “AK” stands for Anti Kumulyativnaya (?).

In fact, the machines do not differ from the standard 1980-s of production years, except for the installation of more modern means of communication. According to the report, 30 BMP-1AK has arrived in Ukraine so far.

Comments

[Zhelezyakin]

God forbid that we are no good ...

[Shurik70]

1980th year of release, they are quite combat-ready, albeit outdated.
And Czechs are known for the quality of their products since the 2nd World War.

[Zhelezyakin]

Quote: Shurik70

It is reported that under this contract, ZHBZ acquired BMP-1 removed from service with the Czech Army

T-34s are also still in service in some countries. Of course, I exaggerate, but this is a banal cut and laundering of euro-hryvnia ...

[Shurik70]

Between "stood in service" and "year of release" - a huge difference.

[Yrec]

The usual cut of Ukrainian money. These infantry fighting vehicles have long been diverting their resources and waiting for cutting for scrap. As soon as they arrive in the ATO, they will immediately break down and write them off quietly.

[svp67]

Quote: Shurik70

1980th year of release, they are quite combat-ready, albeit outdated.

BMP-1? Let both "Czech" and AK. But this is a penny, with a very weak gun. I would understand if they bought them without towers and installed their combat modules on BTRZ, and so ... it's a clean drink of money

[Kars]

A good business for those interested. And so a unit in good condition for 20 thousand to buy it cool. Sorry I won’t give a dash. I would like to see Pashinsky in the zone.

[g1v2]

Does VSU have another way? BMP in Ukraine is not made. The maximum is repair and a small upgrade. And the consumption in the years 14-15 was huge. Only on the Lost more than 400 carcasses sfotkano. Moreover, if many wrecked tanks were maintainable and could be returned to service, then wrecked behi were not subject to restoration. There is a clear lack of BMP in the Armed Forces, which shows the presence of motorized infantry brigades and mechanized brigades in the hodgepodge. Thc buying junk in eastern europe is a logical step. Moreover, it is unlikely that it will be in worse condition than what was left at Ukrainian storage bases for 30-40 years. Anything better than the Saxtons.

[RASKAT]

Wtorplast

What is PTFE or what?

[Zhelezyakin]

So upgrade same)))

[Sergey-8848]

Recycled. Our “Connoisseurs” had a series where Georgy Pavlovich Menglet was enriched due to garbage.

[Chertt]

Here is a diagram. They know how to steal !!! Take $ 20-25 tons. a piece. Brought to ukRuinu. They put a walkie-talkie, and sell ukroVoyak for $ 205 t / applause gentlemen

[RUSS]

Quote: Zhelezyakin

God forbid that we are no good ...

So we have the same thing.
Now in Russia it has been decided to modernize quite museum exhibits, such as BMP-1 infantry fighting vehicles. The BMP-1 is considered the world's first mass-produced infantry fighting vehicle, and it was precisely it that spawned this class of military equipment. But the development of this BMP began even under Khrushchev, in the late 1950s and early 1960s. Serial production of the BMP-1 began in 1966 and was completed in 1979, although some sources believe that the production of the BMP-1 ceased only in 1988. One way or another, but only in the USSR alone, more than 20 thousand BMP-1s were produced, which is actually a mystery. According to open sources (The Military Balance), about 500 BMP-1s are still in service with the Russian Ground Forces, about the same number are in the Russian National Guard Troops, and another seven thousand BMP-1s are at storage facilities of the Russian Ministry of Defense. Suddenly, they decided not to send them for re-melting, having decided to modernize. According to one version, the BMP-1 will be equipped with a 30-mm automatic gun, and according to another version, the turret will be replaced with a Berezhok combat module with even more powerful weapons. Disputes are still ongoing around the latter, since the module is completely inadequate for the BMP-1 turret and, without a serious alteration of the hull, it just won’t get on this machine. But, as the "modernizers" apparently believe, these are trifles, and armaments can be strengthened, despite the fact that the BMP-1 is outdated simply hopelessly. But there are a lot of them, and the arrival of such advanced developments as Armata, Kurganets and Boomerang is a question of many more years. And besides, according to modernization guardians, "why use such ultra-modern technology against militants of terrorist organizations like ISIS, when there is an old and proven equipment that just needs to be improved." And therefore, the first batch of upgraded BMP-1 will go into service with the Ground Forces in the summer of 2018. Judging by the same open sources, over 1500 somewhat more advanced BMP-2s are in storage - they also seem to want to upgrade them.

The approach, of course, is interesting, especially taking into account the venerable, in fact, museum age of all these exhibits: the vast majority of the BMP-1 stored in storage are already under 40 years old, and by others more than half a century. They were stored, perhaps, as expected, but this was preceded by decades of merciless exploitation in the troops, the consequences of which undoubtedly did not improve their quality. It is very doubtful that in the "bins of the motherland" there remained truly "unkilled" specimens. It is equally obvious that there you will have to completely change all the electrics, all the wiring, seals, sort out the engines (or even change them for new ones), and re-sort all the mechanics again! But the main thing is that all these modernization desires completely ignore the fact that the main problem of the BMP-1 (as, incidentally, the BMP-2, and other Soviet and Russian armored vehicles "for infantry") is not reinforcement at all, but a corps that can call armored only conditionally. From the very first combat use it became clear that the biggest problem of the Soviet infantry fighting vehicles was the problem of the security of the crew and the airborne assault. According to the technical assignment of the Soviet Ministry of Defense, the frontal armor of an armored infantry fighting vehicle could withstand hits of 23 mm armor-piercing shells from 500 meters, and the side armor had to "hold" shell fragments (grenades), 7,62 mm armor-piercing bullets and supposedly even bullets from 12,7 -mm heavy machine guns. But as the fighting of 1973 in the Middle East showed, the BMP-1 could not withstand the impact of 12,7 mm bullets, not to mention the grenades fired from RPGs: for heavy machine guns, recoilless guns and cumulative grenades, the BMP-1 turned out to be an easy target . The hit of an anti-tank grenade, as a rule, immediately led to the ignition of the BMP and the subsequent explosion of the ammunition. However, the Soviet generals did not take into account the lessons of the Middle East campaign, and when the Soviet troops entered Afghanistan, everything repeated: the BMP-1, however, like the BMP-2 that replaced them, was fired by 12,7-mm machine guns and burned from volleys from RPGs . Moreover, the BMP board was sometimes stitched even with a rifle bullet! So in the field workshops they began to manually "upgrade" by hanging additional multilayer armor on the sides, and the most popular protection was bags with feet, laid in special niches between the screen and the hull. In Afghanistan, "suddenly" it became obvious that the BMP is extremely vulnerable to bombings on landmines and improvised land mines.

[Theodore]

On this site there was an article about what for it was necessary to adopt it at all!

[Dezinto]

As usual - Europe feeds the Natsik.

[Serge Gorely]

Used for 404? Sharman, sharman ...

[gukoyan]

Decunization is in full swing ...

[Ingvar0401]

Touches the name of a Polish company Wtorplast, somewhat reminiscent of ftoroplast. Apparently the quality will be the same ...

[Vadim237]

Now, on these armor coffins will weld beds - trellises and will be anti-cumulative.

[Evil 55]

It’s time, it’s time to update the armored vehicles of the unrecognized republics .. After a couple of months, they will all be successful jumpers to the East for tinned meat resold ..

[Sam_gosling]

Unfortunately infa most likely fake. Dianka Zradnitsa has published a refutation from both the Ukrainian defense industry and the Polish contractor. And the new time newspaper became the primary source of all this.
https://diana-mihailova.livejournal.com/1847533.h
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[Thunderbolt]

At Voen.Mate I found out an interesting thing about this car ...

"... BMP-1AK equipment includes optical devices, periscopes and night vision devices, a modern radio station that can operate in all weather conditions, as well as at night. " https://warfiles.ru/178402-polskie-bmp-1ak-ot-wto
rplast-otpravlyayutsya-na-donbass.html

[Sam_gosling]

Link plz. There were rumors about communication (Turkish aselsan?), But about everything else for the first time.

[APASUS]

Quote: Thunderbolt

"a modern radio station that can operate in all weather conditions, as well as at night."

So for that $ 180 thousand, for an all-weather walkie-talkie!

[Moore]

Naturally, there is also a cut - the head of the Verkhovna Rada Committee on Defense issues, representative of the Popular Front (NF) faction, Sergei Pashinsky, is considered the beneficiary of this scheme.
And yet, as the same bmpd believes, this indicates the end of the 404's ability to repair anything else from its storage stocks.

[jncnfdybr]

Yes, Ukraine has long been purchasing weapons in Eastern Europe. Its not there. Soviet technology is being updated.

[Terenin]

I don’t understand the armament, but I understand that where there are Ukrainians, there is a scam and fraud.

[Altona]

Wow business. Buy for 20 thousand, sell for 200 thousand. 900% profit !!! Yes, with such a gesheft no war will end.

[axiles100682]

Well, the Poles in this case are handsome. They bought scrap metal, and boiled Khokhlov as a product, also modernized, anti-cumulative. The paint is probably anti-cumulative.

[Livonetc]

Quote: DEZINTO

As usual - Europe feeds the Natsik.

Legs will be stretched from such feeding to citizens of the Square.
“ZHBZ purchased the BMP-1 of the Czechoslovak licensed 1980s taken out of service with the Czech army from the Polish company Wtorplast, which had previously purchased them from the Czech company Excalibur Army at a price of 20-25 thousand euro per unit (i.e., actually at the price of scrap metal). "
The Poles dismantled the BMP (they removed the towers), and the ZHBZ imported all of this separately to Ukraine.
According to the magazine, "each tower was estimated at 66 thousand. dollars and each chassis - 99 thousand dollars". Then the Zhytomyr plant carried out assembly and repair. The cost of work was about $ 40 thousand per unit.
The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine buys repaired armored vehicles from ZHBZ at a price $ 205 thousand. for a unit."

[tank64rus]

During the war, the Czechs supplied their tanks to the Wehrmacht now ukrovermaht. Everything is back to square one.