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The fate of the avant-garde battle

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Can a single battery decide the fate of avant-garde combat? The answer to this question offers this article.


October 18 1914, after heavy Boguqinsko-Kozienicki battles of the first half of October during the Warsaw-Ivangorod operation, for the fifth day, units of the 17 Army Corps were pursuing the retreating enemy in the direction of Kielce. Avant-garde divisions, as part of the 9 Infantry Regiment of the Ingermanland Regiment and 2 light batteries, in the region of vil. Ostakhov came in contact with the retreating Germans.

According to intelligence data, the enemy rearguard units were occupied by hillocks separated from the der. Ostahov rather deep transverse glen.

The 1-th battery of the 3-th artillery brigade, in order to timely support the advancing infantry chains, moved off the 50 steps away from the highway that ran along the village, and quickly took a half-closed position - having an observation point on one of the huts lying ahead.



The energetic pressure of the Russian infantry, which acted with the friendly and intensified assistance of the batteries, led to the enemy rearguard being rejected from the hilly ridge that bordered the hollow. By 11 clock battle verse.

The hills were occupied by the Russians, whose main forces, replacing the vanguards, were gradually drawn into the combat sector of the 9 regiment. On the highway along Ostahov, the 2 battalion of the 11 Infantry Regiment of the Pskov Regiment passed, gradually hiding in the hollow lying in front. Artillery rumbled behind them along the highway - it was the 4-i battery of the 2-division. Simultaneously with the artillery, along the highway stretched, on the one hand, machine-gun wagons and steam conic gigs, on the other - sanitary lines. The highway was dammed.

Suddenly, against the background of a pale blue cold sky, directly above the moving troops, two white clouds floated - German artillery opened fire. In less than two minutes, a sharp whistle came to the ears of the Russian artillerymen, and two, accompanied by a roar, a column of smoke and earth shot up just above the highway. Behind them, almost immediately with a crash and a roar, in different parts of the village and on the highway, rushing grenades and bombs rumbled. The dilapidated huts, cracking, collapsed and caught fire. The parts of the 11 regiment, which were crowded at the entrance to the ravine, suddenly came under artillery fire, rushed in different directions and, pushing and crushing each other, tried to get out of the ravine as quickly as possible. Artillery, caught in a marching column, began to turn back. Horses shied away in horror, throwing carts and gigs in the curb that prevented her. Dyshla broke, oncoming people choked. And the shells, one after another, with a terrible hoot, continued to burst into groups of crowded people and animals, into huts and sheds.

The mass panic psychosis spread instantly: the infantry continued to flee from the hollow just under the guns of the batteries that were in position. Wild cries of "back, back" did not stop the runners - as they themselves shouted, apparently not comprehending it, ran, driven by animal horror.

At this moment, the moment of general panic, the 1-I battery of the 3 artillery brigade returned fire. This unique combat response of the not confused gunners was of great importance. On the one hand, he morally supported the bewildered people, and on the other, he distracted all enemy artillery fire: no later than through 5 - 10 minutes, the fire on the highway and convoy was suddenly stopped and in full, by the fire power of 2 - 3 German batteries , collapsed on a brave Russian battery.



From 15 to 17 hours, that is, before dark, the enemy did not cease fire, but the Russian battery continued to respond - although now only from 5 guns. The darkness stopped this fire match. The observation post of the battalion commander was burned, and of the five ranks of the communications team who were with him, 1 was killed and 3 was seriously injured. On the battery, one gun was hit, and almost all the others had fragmentation holes - from gun shields to box boxes. Several people from the crew were seriously wounded by shrapnel of German grenades. Until the time of the battle, the gun men did not have time to dig up, and then, after the shelling began, it became impossible. The settlement crews hid behind the charging boxes in the back of the guns, continually risking being blown up together with the latter in the case of a direct hit by an enemy projectile. During heavy periods of fire squall, platoon commanders sat on the ground - also hiding behind the backs of the charging boxes and dropping their legs into a small, about 30 depth, see the hole that they dug during the battle.



The arrogant advance of the Russian infantry, met by the stagnant and most likely adversary, ended relatively successfully largely due to the selfless fire intervention (and, moreover, the only one) from the 1 battery of the 3 artillery brigade - which had fired at the unequal fire fighting campaign adversary. As a result, the frustrated units of the Russian infantry were put in order behind the artillery positions, and the enemy rearguard left their positions.
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  1. Theodore
    Theodore April 15 2018 05: 52
    +1
    Suddenly, against the background of a pale blue cold sky, directly above the moving troops, two white clouds floated - this was opened by German artillery. Not even two minutes had passed before a sharp whistle came to the ears of the Russian artillerymen, and two, accompanied by a roar, pillars of smoke and earth shot up just above the highway.

    I'm wildly sorry! But what kind of shells are there that they flew for two minutes?
    1. kvs207
      kvs207 April 15 2018 07: 05
      +1
      This sound flew 2 minutes smile
      But then it turns out 38 km.
      1. Bouncer
        Bouncer April 15 2018 07: 36
        +17
        I'm wildly sorry! But what kind of shells are that they flew for two minutes

        This sound flew 2 minutes smile
        But then it turns out 38 km.

        I have always been touched as citizens of the Russian Federation of the 21st century smarter than professional gunners, and even witnesses of the battle.
        Suddenly, against the background of a pale blue cold sky, directly above the moving troops, two white clouds floated - this was opened by German artillery.

        2 clouds - as I understand it - shrapnel. This is one thing. Then shrapnel bullets fly to the ground. This is against the infantry.
        And then
        two, accompanied by a roar, pillars of smoke and earth shot up just above the highway.

        This is a grenade (that is, a high-explosive shell). Different ammunition for different purposes.
        So these are different salvos.
        So what is it
        then it turns out 38 km.
        it is unclear why, during the rearguard battle, the opponents shared the distance of the shot.
        1. soldier
          soldier April 15 2018 08: 01
          +16
          I have always been touched as citizens of the Russian Federation of the 21st century smarter than professional gunners, and even witnesses of the battle.

          Do not be surprised Bouncer. I already ceased to be surprised at military experts at computers.
          1. Theodore
            Theodore April 15 2018 09: 50
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            And nevertheless, I asked a question! And you womnichki just broke.
            1. Bouncer
              Bouncer April 15 2018 10: 03
              +18
              So the answer didn’t reach you?
              I repeat.
              This is your question
              Suddenly, against the background of a pale blue cold sky, directly above the moving troops, two white clouds floated - this was opened by German artillery. Not even two minutes had passed before a sharp whistle came to the ears of the Russian artillerymen, and two, accompanied by a roar, pillars of smoke and earth shot up just above the highway.
              I'm wildly sorry! But what kind of shells are there that they flew for two minutes?

              And here is the answer.
              Shells did not fly for 2 minutes, because
              2 white clouds
              к
              two, accompanied by a roar, pillars of smoke and earth shot up just off the highway.
              have no relationship.
              2 of white clouds - a German platoon opened fire with shrapnel (shrapnel is bullets), and 2 of an explosion near the highway - another German platoon opened fire with grenades. The connection between them is only that, after 2 minutes after the fire with shrapnel, they opened fire with high-explosive shells.
              So nothing flew for 2 minutes. 2 minutes is just the difference between firing different ammunition.
              1. Monarchist
                Monarchist April 15 2018 12: 02
                +2
                Bouncer, thanks for clarifying, otherwise we are "swimming"
                1. Bouncer
                  Bouncer April 15 2018 12: 35
                  +17
                  It's my pleasure
                  Always happy hi drinks
  2. Olgovich
    Olgovich April 15 2018 06: 12
    +2
    Well done gunners!
    The ranks of the calculations took refuge behind those standing on the side of the guns in reverse charging boxes
    What are the back moves of the boxes? request
    1. Bouncer
      Bouncer April 15 2018 07: 40
      +20
      Well done gunners!

      To the point.
      Decided the fate of the battle.
      What is the back moves of the boxes

      Really here, Olgovich, in the club of fans of wiki-pedia definitions, didn’t see what it is on an Internet? what
      Then look together
      Gun front
      The front end is a specialized two-wheeled wagon designed to ensure the transport of towed artillery pieces (both with wheeled and tracked carriages) [1].
      The front end was used when driving in a campaign as a support for the trunk part of the implement bed. In the front of the wagon there was a drawbar (in the case of using horse-drawn traction) or a towing device (when using an artillery tractor), at the back there was a hook hook connected to the paw paw. The wheels could have suspension or be fixed rigidly [1].
      In addition to its main purpose, the front end was also commonly used to transport charging boxes (or rather, their reverse), which were attached to the middle part of the cart.
      In the design of modern towed artillery guns, the front end is usually not used
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich April 15 2018 11: 09
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        Quote: Bouncer
        In addition to its main purpose, the front end was usually also used for transporting charging boxes (or rather, their reverse gears), which were attached to the middle part of the wagon

        As for the front end, everything is known, as well as about the charging boxes in them.
        But what is backe moves crates? What are the moves in the box? request
        1. Bouncer
          Bouncer April 15 2018 11: 15
          +19
          This is part of the charging box, the last one consists of parts.

          I gave you a tattoo, then if it is interesting - look, read.
  3. Bouncer
    Bouncer April 15 2018 07: 43
    +20
    A very revealing episode.
    Marines carried away, relaxed. Caught in the distribution.
    And the only battery decided the fate of the battle, confronting more powerful German artillery.
    Thanks to the author for an interesting article!
  4. soldier
    soldier April 15 2018 08: 02
    +18
    Another page of skill and professionalism of Russian gunners.
    And courage!
    At the risk of flying into the air, fight for several hours.
    Super!
    1. Monarchist
      Monarchist April 15 2018 12: 09
      +1
      In fact, Russian artillery from the time of Peter the Great has traditionally been strong in training and courage
      1. Bouncer
        Bouncer April 15 2018 12: 37
        +16
        I would even add - from an earlier era
        Pushkarsky order
        Thank God for increasing
  5. Serge72
    Serge72 April 15 2018 08: 47
    +17
    One versus three
    No wonder our gunners are the best
    Those interested in the materiel of those times and its details (front end, etc.) I recommend such material
  6. shuravi
    shuravi April 15 2018 11: 45
    +1
    Quote: Theodore
    Suddenly, against the background of a pale blue cold sky, directly above the moving troops, two white clouds floated - this was opened by German artillery. Not even two minutes had passed before a sharp whistle came to the ears of the Russian artillerymen, and two, accompanied by a roar, pillars of smoke and earth shot up just above the highway.

    I'm wildly sorry! But what kind of shells are there that they flew for two minutes?


    This is the so-called Tforic metaphor of the author. lol
    In fact, anyone who has seen real shooting, even if in a training ground, the first time unwittingly notes the fact that it is not the same as in a movie.
    In reality, "sound always lags behind the image." This is especially noticeable in the mountains, where the perception of range is completely different than on the plain.
    However, two minutes, this is an outrageous bust. And so, first hear the whistle, and then see the gaps, generally no way. request
    1. soldier
      soldier April 15 2018 12: 00
      +16
      This is the so-called Tforic metaphor of the author.

      What kind of nonsense?
      And I see in this the memory of an eyewitness to the battle.
      Everything is clear and understandable.
      I repeat for the gifted (pretending to be warriors nonetheless) as noted above the Bouncer
      2 of white clouds - a German platoon opened fire with shrapnel (shrapnel is bullets), and 2 of an explosion near the highway - another German platoon opened fire with grenades. The connection between them is only that, after 2 minutes after the fire with shrapnel, they opened fire with high-explosive shells.
      So nothing 2 minutes flew. 2 minutes is just the difference between firing different ammunition
      .
  7. Monarchist
    Monarchist April 15 2018 11: 57
    0
    Quote: Theodore
    Suddenly, against the background of a pale blue cold sky, directly above the moving troops, two white clouds floated - this was opened by German artillery. Not even two minutes had passed before a sharp whistle came to the ears of the Russian artillerymen, and two, accompanied by a roar, pillars of smoke and earth shot up just above the highway.

    I'm wildly sorry! But what kind of shells are there that they flew for two minutes?

    You are right: the author was very drawn to the lyrics and therefore the shells crawl like turtles
    1. soldier
      soldier April 15 2018 12: 01
      +16
      Dear Monarchist, is it also not clear to you that we are talking about different shells?
      Shrapnel does not give a gap
      1. Bouncer
        Bouncer April 15 2018 12: 07
        +16
        Yes No Soldier, all of them (more precisely, he) perfectly understand (s).
        Joke like that. There’s nothing more to complain about
  8. shuravi
    shuravi April 15 2018 12: 33
    +1
    Quote: soldier
    This is the so-called Tforic metaphor of the author.

    What kind of nonsense?
    And I see in this the memory of an eyewitness to the battle.
    Everything is clear and understandable.
    I repeat for the gifted (pretending to be warriors nonetheless) as noted above the Bouncer
    2 of white clouds - a German platoon opened fire with shrapnel (shrapnel is bullets), and 2 of an explosion near the highway - another German platoon opened fire with grenades. The connection between them is only that, after 2 minutes after the fire with shrapnel, they opened fire with high-explosive shells.
    So nothing 2 minutes flew. 2 minutes is just the difference between firing different ammunition
    .



    Excuse me, but are you especially gifted with a bouncer, or is it your clone?
    But you obviously do not know how it really is.

    Suddenly, against the background of a pale blue cold sky, directly above the moving troops, two white clouds floated - this was opened by German artillery.


    And where did the sound of the burst of shrapnel shells go? lol

    Not even two minutes had passed before a sharp whistle came to the ears of the Russian artillerymen, and two, accompanied by a roar, pillars of smoke and earth shot up just above the highway.


    Just a couple of questions:
    -That is, the German gunners after a volley of shrapnel shells chewed snot for two minutes?
    -so in the "eyewitness" first sharp whistle and only then two, followed by a roar, pillars of smoke and earth? bully
    1. Bouncer
      Bouncer April 15 2018 12: 44
      +17
      And you look, I know how it happens)
      Again, you carry heresy
      Shrapnel tears are high, and pops are usually heard.
      A land mine is torn on the ground. Respectively powerful sound of a gap.
      Well, answering similar questions:
      is it that the German artillerymen, after a volley of shrapnel shells, chewed snot for two minutes?
      -How does the “eyewitness” have a sharp whistle and only then two, accompanied by a roar, of a column of smoke and earth?

      The fire was fired not by 2 German guns, but by 2 or 3 batteries. Part - shrapnel, part - high-explosive shells.
      There were times when platoons of even one battery fired with different ammunition.
      Well, when a fire is fired such as it was then called "bursts", it is natural that some high-explosive shells are torn, while others only fly. Therefore, whistles and tears alternate.
  9. shuravi
    shuravi April 15 2018 12: 36
    +1
    Quote: soldier
    Dear Monarchist, is it also not clear to you that we are talking about different shells?
    Shrapnel does not give a gap


    Yes, you are still that "expert". lol

    1. Bouncer
      Bouncer April 15 2018 12: 48
      +17
      The soldier probably meant that the shrapnel was torn at a height, and the landmine was on the ground.
      But you are an expert - you can not figure out the sounds)
      1. soldier
        soldier April 15 2018 12: 54
        +16
        Shrapnel does not give a gap
        Yes, you are still that "expert".

        Yes, I meant the actual effect of a gap on the ground. And this is a land mine.
        Shurawi does not fit in the head like this. 2 guns fired simultaneously with different ammunition. And they were not 2 guns, but 2 batteries.
        This is what happens when you comment - not reading the article, but reading only the comments of other commentators. With one desire - to throw dirty tricks. The main thing is to throw it in. We know this grandfather.
  10. Monarchist
    Monarchist April 15 2018 12: 39
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    Quote: tyu22
    Quote: soldier
    I do not ask you - what are you familiar with

    I understand that you are not familiar with the realities of CA. And then after all, from your crap about the "indestructible and legendary" as much in the goiter stole.

    In this case, only you served in the SA, and everything else sat on the mound and gnawed seeds?
  11. Monarchist
    Monarchist April 15 2018 12: 59
    0
    Quote: tyu22
    Quote: soldier
    There, in 41 there was a personnel army - and they carved.

    A professional (usually called a cadre) army in the USSR could be assembled another 10-15 years after 1945. That's all.
    Not until 22.06.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX, and after this period there was no personnel (professional) army in the USSR. In the generally accepted sense of the word. The army in the USSR was not engaged in defense at all. A "upbringing of the younger generation." That was her main function.

    I remembered my childhood and my cousin, defended Sevastopol, was in the Marine Corps, explained to me a 10-year-old kid: "they call those who were drafted into the army at least 4 months before the start of the war. They tried to take care of the opportunity command, and plugged the" holes " militias. Militias are the cheapest soldiers. " I remember then I watched a movie, perhaps, "Izhora Battalion" about the people's militia and I was corrupted by his words
  12. Monarchist
    Monarchist April 15 2018 13: 29
    0
    “The moment of general panic, the 1st battery of the 3rd artillery brigade opened fire. This only combat response of the undecided gunners was of great importance,” panic is always dangerous, but fatal in war. Stadnyuk in the book: “A Man Doesn’t Surrender” (I don’t like using cotton as an example, but the author himself was a participant in those events) well showed how the Germans defeated the bewildered Red Army men in July and August and it was enough to appear as a strong-willed commander, so that the panic stops. So in this case, the decisive commander, author, reproaches you: they did not give the names of the battery commander, and well-trained gunners saved everyone. And if the battalion commander was strong-willed, and the soldiers were not trained and it is not known how the matter would end
  13. shuravi
    shuravi April 15 2018 13: 39
    +1
    Quote: Bouncer
    The soldier probably meant that the shrapnel was torn at a height, and the landmine was on the ground.


    Well, yes, and you are still a connoisseur. lol
    At a height, young man, only fragmentation anti-aircraft shells explode, and anti-personnel shrapnel near the ground.
    As for high-explosive shells, this type of ammunition is initiated only after penetrating to a given depth in the ground. And the explosion can be both with the ejection of soil, and on camouflage.


    But you are an expert - you can not figure out the sounds)


    Does not fit into your picture of the world? It happens. lol
    1. Bouncer
      Bouncer April 15 2018 13: 56
      +16
      Well, yes, and you are still a connoisseur. lol
      At a height, young man, only fragmentation anti-aircraft shells explode, and anti-personnel shrapnel near the ground.

      In the air, grandfather bursts and shrapnel shell.
      And all this varied.
      As for high-explosive shells, this type of ammunition is initiated only after penetrating to a given depth in the ground. And the explosion can be both with the ejection of soil, and on camouflage.

      this is why - it is not clear. more precisely - it is clear without you.
      1. soldier
        soldier April 15 2018 14: 04
        +16
        That's what the gunner L. A. Kravkov writes
        At the end of 1915, artillery received shrapnel distant tube lots of 28, 34 seconds and 36 seconds. with ranges up to 8 versts. In particular, in the artillery of the 36th Army Corps, only 5,2 seconds were obtained from these types. A tube of this kind, with its range, required the use of tables, why it could be used only in the absence of hurry. Shooting on moving targets was still carried out with shrapnel only up to 75 versts. Reach 2.800 mm. French shrapnel was almost identical with ours (1914 p.). Another main type of projectile, high-explosive grenades equipped with TNT, first appeared in Russian artillery in 1.520. In summer, during practical firing, they carried out only flashy firing by battery commanders. The batteries went to war, having in their sets 176 shrapnel and 9 grenades, i.e. 1 to 8 ratio. With the transition of batteries from 6 to 1914 guns (in October 1.096), the ratio changed in favor of grenades and became 176 and 6, i.e. 1 to 1915st. With the transition from a maneuverable war to a positional one, the demand for grenades increased tremendously, and already from the end of 1 the right to have an equal amount of grenades and shrapnel in the sets received official sanction. With an increase in the consumption of pomegranates, a variety of their samples appeared, and hence the action. The main, most justified types should be considered: 2) TNT grenade; 3) cervical, deritic, and 1) melinitic, Moscow-made. Of the most reliable fuses, it can be noted: 3) a fuse of the brand 4 G T, 6 G T. and 2 G T .; 3) French fuses with slowdown (black) and without slowdown (white); and XNUMX) Schneider fuse
  14. shuravi
    shuravi April 15 2018 13: 45
    +1
    Quote: soldier

    Yes, I meant the actual effect of a gap on the ground. And this is a land mine.
    Shurawi does not fit in the head like this. 2 guns fired simultaneously with different ammunition. And they were not 2 guns, but 2 batteries.
    This is what happens when you comment - not reading the article, but reading only the comments of other commentators. With one desire - to throw dirty tricks. The main thing is to throw it in. We know this grandfather.



    Kids. Nobody uses high-explosive ammunition (shells) on the ground. For the effect of this is zero.
    This type of ammunition is used exclusively by heavy (siege) artillery to destroy long-term defensive structures.
    Would you go with a bouncer to the forum of cutting and sewing. there is the place for you. lol
    1. Bouncer
      Bouncer April 15 2018 13: 54
      +16
      The kid is a liar. Juggler.
      A high-explosive one is torn on the ground - that's what I wrote about.
  15. shuravi
    shuravi April 15 2018 14: 03
    +1
    Quote: Bouncer
    Well, yes, and you are still a connoisseur. lol
    At a height, young man, only fragmentation anti-aircraft shells explode, and anti-personnel shrapnel near the ground.

    In the air, grandfather bursts and shrapnel shell.


    Well it’s clear that there is no vacuum. But the fact that you are confused in concepts at a height and near the earth is obvious.
    However, you are excusable. lol

    And all this varied.
    As for high-explosive shells, this type of ammunition is initiated only after penetrating to a given depth in the ground. And the explosion can be both with the ejection of soil, and on camouflage.

    this is why - it is not clear. more precisely - it is clear without you.


    Perplexed by unfamiliar words? Excuse me, I forgot what your level of "knowledge" is. laughing
    1. Bouncer
      Bouncer April 15 2018 14: 09
      +17
      you are confused in concepts at a height and near the earth, obviously.

      went the usual twisting)
      as usual))
      at a height near the ground. The height can be different, and if above the ground - then the height too)
      valid for
      Excuse me, I forgot what your level of "knowledge" is.

      Why do you pay attention to your bullshit about whistling and the fact that the 2 guns are confused with the 2 batteries?
  16. shuravi
    shuravi April 15 2018 14: 05
    +1
    Quote: Bouncer
    The kid is a liar. Juggler.
    A high-explosive one is torn on the ground - that's what I wrote about.


    And I assumed that you would correct at the OF. But no, I thought too well of you, you continue to rave with enviable persistence. lol
    1. Bouncer
      Bouncer April 15 2018 14: 16
      +17
      Here is how Lieutenant K. Popov describes the actions of shrapnel and grenades:

      Grenades with a terrible screech lay near our target and deafeningly burst,

      That is, a high-explosive grenade was torn on the shuravi green)
      Before we could walk two hundred steps, over in the middle of our battalion two shrapnel burst. Above chains began to appear white haze bursting shrapnel

      that is, shrapnel was torn in the air by shuravi) well, and the height varied.
      One gunner recalled how Austrian shrapnel, set too high, did no harm.
      Until 1907, the only three-inch shell was shrapnel stuffed with 260 bullets. An 22-second double-action tube was used as a fuse (that is, the projectile exploded either upon impact or after a predetermined time, after a maximum of 22 seconds). 22 seconds of shrapnel flight corresponded to a range of 5100 m. In 1912, the 34-second tube was adopted, allowing to bring the range to 8 km. But in subsequent years, most shrapnel was still supplied with 22-second tubes, which were also in service during the Great Patriotic War. The depth of expansion of the shrapnel bullets when firing at a distance of 2 km reached 500 m and a width of up to 65 m.
  17. shuravi
    shuravi April 15 2018 14: 34
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    Quote: Bouncer
    you are confused in concepts at a height and near the earth, obviously.

    went the usual twisting)
    as usual))
    at a height near the ground. The height can be different, and if above the ground - then the height too)


    Yes, baby, you have the usual twisting. You have again shown ignorance. No clue above the groundThere near the ground.
    valid for
    Excuse me, I forgot what your level of "knowledge" is.



    Why do you pay attention to your bullshit about whistling and the fact that the 2 guns are confused with the 2 batteries?


    The old woman didn’t suffer for a long time, that is, the baby with a “severe” nickname knocked out. For lack of arguments, he habitually began to lie and ascribe his own nonsense. lol
    1. Bouncer
      Bouncer April 15 2018 14: 42
      +17
      Above chains that move - it means in the air.
      So there’s nothing to get out of the “hero” with the handsome nickname Shuravi
      The old woman didn’t suffer for a long time, that is, the baby with a “severe” nickname knocked out. For lack of arguments, he habitually began to lie and ascribe his own nonsense.

      what other arguments? This is what you wrote above:
      -That is, the German gunners after a volley of shrapnel shells chewed snot for two minutes?
      -How does the “eyewitness” have a sharp whistle and only then two, accompanied by a roar, of a column of smoke and earth?

      Because they didn’t read the article, they didn’t understand that the German gunners didn’t chew snot, and how the whistle and tears
  18. shuravi
    shuravi April 15 2018 15: 09
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    Quote: Bouncer
    Here is how Lieutenant K. Popov describes the actions of shrapnel and grenades:


    The farther into the forest, the thicker the partisans. lol
    Of course, it’s not bad for you to argue in style, yourself, but in military affairs you are still a “specialist”.
    What the hell shrapnel, literacy? Write it on your forehead, shrapnel

    Grenades with a terrible screech lay near our target and deafeningly burst,


    Do you study military science in fiction? This is of course strong. Only again you are past, artistic descriptions are very far from reality. Moreover, screeching fragments emit a screech, not a shell.


    That is, a high-explosive grenade was torn on the shuravi green)


    Aren't you tired of showing your nonsense? A high-explosive grenade is a type of anti-tank ammunition used by infantry.
    An artillery grenade is a high-explosive fragmentation shell, where the main striking element is the fragments of a rather thick-walled case.

    that is, shrapnel was torn in the air by shuravi) well, and the height varied.


    Once again, not in the air, but near the ground.
    Moreover, there is an optimal height for the undermining of shrapnel shells, which was set in time and corrected when firing.



    One gunner recalled how Austrian shrapnel, set too high, did no harm.


    And how much have you been interpreted? That an erroneous fuse response time above the required height leads to that. that the effect of shrapnel is significantly reduced.


    Until 1907, the only three-inch shell was shrapnel stuffed with 260 bullets. An 22-second double-action tube was used as a fuse (that is, the projectile exploded either upon impact or after a predetermined time, after a maximum of 22 seconds). 22 seconds of shrapnel flight corresponded to a range of 5100 m. In 1912, the 34-second tube was adopted, allowing to bring the range to 8 km. But in subsequent years, most shrapnel was still supplied with 22-second tubes, which were also in service during the Great Patriotic War. The depth of expansion of the shrapnel bullets when firing at a distance of 2 km reached 500 m and a width of up to 65 m.


    You still remember 1812 year. lol
    And for 1914, shrapnel shells and fuses for them were already worked out.
    1. Bouncer
      Bouncer April 15 2018 15: 37
      +17
      Do you study military science in fiction?

      Well, you and the prankster. This is not military literature, but memoirs. That is - the source. Literature is what they write based on sources.
      Verbal diarrhea bro broke you, but in vain.
      You yourself, as it turned out, are not a fig, not a specialist, much less a veteran.
      You only look at the terms on Wikipedia.
      What the hell shrapnel, literacy? Write it on your forehead, shrapnel

      Shrapnel - shrapnel. The lieutenant-war veteran writes "shrapnel" - in the plural. So what?
      Once again, not in the air, but near the ground.

      That's exactly what is in the air. Air is above the ground. If the clouds were shrapnel over infantry and artillery, it means in the air.
      the optimal height of the undermining of shrapnel shells, which was set in time and adjusted when firing.

      I’m talking about it
      Until 1907, the only three-inch shell was shrapnel stuffed with 260 bullets. An 22-second double-action tube was used as a fuse (that is, the projectile exploded either upon impact or after a predetermined time, after a maximum of 22 seconds). 22 seconds of shrapnel flight corresponded to a range of 5100 m. In 1912, the 34-second tube was adopted, allowing to bring the range to 8 km. But in subsequent years, most shrapnel was still supplied with 22-second tubes, which were also in service during the Great Patriotic War. The depth of expansion of the shrapnel bullets when firing at a distance of 2 km reached 500 m and a width of up to 65 m.


      You still remember the year 1812. lol
      And for 1914, shrapnel shells and fuses for them were already worked out.

      What's wrong with that? This is a historical digression, everything is correct.
      What does the 1812 year have to do with it? Or was shrapnel used then?
      Although you are such a military specialist that you will become lol
  19. shuravi
    shuravi April 15 2018 15: 17
    0
    Quote: Bouncer
    Above chains that move - it means in the air.
    So there’s nothing to get out of the “hero” with the handsome nickname Shuravi


    That is, the terms on high и near the ground you replace with personal in the air?
    Oh my God, blotting out such a thing among pilots, or artillerymen, is like telling a sailor that his ship is sailing. lol

    The old woman didn’t suffer for a long time, that is, the baby with a “severe” nickname knocked out. For lack of arguments, he habitually began to lie and ascribe his own nonsense.

    what other arguments? This is what you wrote above:
    -That is, the German gunners after a volley of shrapnel shells chewed snot for two minutes?
    -How does the “eyewitness” have a sharp whistle and only then two, accompanied by a roar, of a column of smoke and earth?

    Because they didn’t read the article, they didn’t understand that the German gunners didn’t chew snot, and how the whistle and tears


    Well, where am I talking about two guns, or two batteries? lol
    1. Bouncer
      Bouncer April 15 2018 15: 42
      +17
      at altitude and near the ground you replace with personal in the air

      And what - airless space above the earth? lol
      Well, where am I talking about two guns, or two batteries

      You could not figure out what the guns were shooting - shrapnel or grenade and where the whistle came from.
      Isn't that yours:
      shuravi (Vladimir) Today, 12: 33
      This is the so-called Tforic metaphor of the author.
      And where did the sound of the burst of shrapnel shells go? lol

      Not even two minutes had passed before a sharp whistle came to the ears of the Russian artillerymen, and two, accompanied by a roar, pillars of smoke and earth shot up just above the highway.
      Just a couple of questions:
      -is that the German artillerymen, after a volley of shrapnel shells, chewed snot for two minutes?
      -How does the “eyewitness” have a sharp whistle and only then two, accompanied by a roar, of a column of smoke and earth?

      Yes, slippery like an eel. Get out and juggle the master. It’s more a feminine trait - but not a veteran, a participant in a hot spot. Uncle Murzik is back. And it’s better not to argue with him.
      Liar and sophist
      1. soldier
        soldier April 15 2018 15: 46
        +16
        And I also liked such an opus from the military specialist Shuravi
        A high-explosive grenade is a type of anti-tank ammunition used by infantry.

        No, this is not about grenades used by infantry. lol
        This refers to a high-explosive shell.
        High-explosive grenade - this term was officially fixed and at that time was used very actively. What the hell is a connoisseur of terminology?
        1. Bouncer
          Bouncer April 15 2018 15: 52
          +16
          By the way, V. Rdultovsky RIA is obliged to adopt a high-explosive grenade for field artillery
  20. heavy division
    heavy division April 15 2018 16: 37
    +3
    Yes, the article gave food for thought
    some at least didn’t understand how many German guns were beating and where shrapnel was torn,
    but in general everything is clear
    Thanks to the author for a short and at the same time bright article
  21. shuravi
    shuravi April 15 2018 20: 42
    0
    Quote: Bouncer

    Well, you and the prankster. This is not military literature, but memoirs. That is - the source. Literature is what they write based on sources.


    That's what I'm talking about, white-ticket bouncer studying military affairs by memoirs. lol

    Verbal diarrhea bro broke you, but in vain.


    You are louse, not bro to me. Do not talk.


    You yourself, as it turned out, are not a fig, not a specialist, much less a veteran.
    You only look at the terms on Wikipedia.


    It turned out that you are a white ticket. Which comes out on guano, but rather weak against shuravi.



    Shrapnel - shrapnel. The lieutenant-war veteran writes "shrapnel" - in the plural. So what?


    That. that you are absolutely illiterate in military affairs. Therefore, you repeat any literary nonsense.


    That's exactly what is in the air. Air is above the ground. If the clouds were shrapnel over infantry and artillery, it means in the air.


    While you can only spoil the air. Shine with knowledge in military affairs, alas.


    I’m talking about it


    What can you say if you even write shrapnel with mistakes. laughing



    What's wrong with that? This is a historical digression, everything is correct.
    What does the 1812 year have to do with it? Or was shrapnel used then?
    Although you are such a military specialist that you will become


    Oh wow, of course, a military specialist, not that you are a white ticket worker. which shrapnel does not distinguish from buckshot.
    1. Bouncer
      Bouncer April 15 2018 21: 09
      +17
      It's you white-ticket
      disguised as an afghan
      And one verbal diarrhea
      shrapnel does not distinguish from buckshot.

      it's probably to myself)) to the passage about 1812))
  22. shuravi
    shuravi April 15 2018 20: 53
    -1
    Quote: Bouncer
    at altitude and near the ground you replace with personal in the air

    And what - airless space above the earth?


    That's what I’m talking about, you are an absolute zero in military affairs. lol


    You could not figure out what the guns were shooting - shrapnel or grenade and where the whistle came from.


    Unlike you, boy, I know how shells and fragments sound.

    Isn't that yours:
    shuravi (Vladimir) Today, 12: 33
    This is the so-called Tforic metaphor of the author.
    And where did the sound of the burst of shrapnel shells go? lol

    Not even two minutes had passed before a sharp whistle came to the ears of the Russian artillerymen, and two, accompanied by a roar, pillars of smoke and earth shot up just above the highway.
    Just a couple of questions:
    -is that the German artillerymen, after a volley of shrapnel shells, chewed snot for two minutes?
    -How does the “eyewitness” have a sharp whistle and only then two, accompanied by a roar, of a column of smoke and earth?

    Yes, slippery like an eel. Get out and juggle the master. It’s more a feminine trait - but not a veteran, a participant in a hot spot. Uncle Murzik is back. And it’s better not to argue with him.
    Liar and sophist


    Imagine, not mine. Here is a quote from the article:
    Suddenly, against the background of a pale blue cold sky, directly above the moving troops, two white clouds floated - this was opened by German artillery. It did not pass and two minutes as a sharp whistle came to the ears of the Russian artillerymen, and two, accompanied by a roar, pillars of smoke and earth shot up right at the highway.


    But this again, by no means sideways to your nonsense.
    I remind you, the bouncer bouncer farted:
    Why do you pay attention to your bullshit about whistling and the fact that the 2 guns are confused with the 2 batteries?

    So where did I say that? Waiting for a quote.
    1. Bouncer
      Bouncer April 15 2018 21: 07
      +17
      Yeah, and after the article is yours
      Just a couple of questions:
      -That is, the German gunners after a volley of shrapnel shells chewed snot for two minutes?
      -How does the “eyewitness” have a sharp whistle and only then two, accompanied by a roar, of a column of smoke and earth?

      this to this
      Why do you pay attention to your bullshit about whistling and the fact that the 2 guns are confused with the 2 batteries?
  23. shuravi
    shuravi April 15 2018 20: 56
    -1
    Quote: soldier
    And I also liked such an opus from the military specialist Shuravi
    A high-explosive grenade is a type of anti-tank ammunition used by infantry.

    No, this is not about grenades used by infantry. lol
    This refers to a high-explosive shell.
    High-explosive grenade - this term was officially fixed and at that time was used very actively. What the hell is a connoisseur of terminology?


    Boy, about high-explosive shells and what they are used for, I spoke above. You confuse them with PF. lol
    1. Bouncer
      Bouncer April 15 2018 21: 10
      +17
      You didn't say anything
      confuse anti-tank grenades
      with high-explosive grenades (i.e. shells)
  24. shuravi
    shuravi April 15 2018 21: 02
    0
    Quote: Bouncer
    By the way, V. Rdultovsky RIA is obliged to adopt a high-explosive grenade for field artillery


    And that, it cancels the fact. that you do not distinguish a high-explosive shell from a high-explosive?
    What did he do?
    He was offered a method for determining the depth of penetration of shells into various environments. Later, Rdultovsky developed 76-mm, 107-mm and 122-mm high-explosive TNT shells.

    What about you? Your words:
    A high-explosive one is torn on the ground - that's what I wrote about.

    Specialists ZD pancake. lol
    1. Bouncer
      Bouncer April 15 2018 21: 11
      +17
      And that, it cancels the fact. that you do not distinguish a high-explosive shell from a high-explosive?

      Rdultovsky introduced a high-explosive grenade
      specialist pancake
  25. shuravi
    shuravi April 15 2018 21: 14
    0
    Quote: soldier
    And I also liked such an opus from the military specialist Shuravi
    A high-explosive grenade is a type of anti-tank ammunition used by infantry.

    No, this is not about grenades used by infantry. lol
    This refers to a high-explosive shell.
    High-explosive grenade - this term was officially fixed and at that time was used very actively. What the hell is a connoisseur of terminology?


    Baby, write it on your forehead. Grenade, this is an HE shell. lol
  26. shuravi
    shuravi April 15 2018 21: 21
    -1
    Quote: Bouncer
    You didn't say anything
    confuse anti-tank grenades
    with high-explosive grenades (i.e. shells)


    Boy, aren't you an hour girl? You have no memory at all.
    Here is what I said above in 13.39
    As for high-explosive shells, this type of ammunition is initiated only after penetrating to a given depth in the ground. And the explosion can be both with the ejection of soil, and on camouflage.


    And what did Rdultovsky do which you so unsuccessfully mentioned.
    He was offered a method for determining the depth of penetration of shells into various environments. Later, Rdultovsky developed 76-mm, 107-mm and 122-mm high-explosive TNT shells.


    What time are you crap? Nevertheless, it is written down, regardless of your "God's dew." lol
    1. Bouncer
      Bouncer April 15 2018 21: 36
      +17
      No no girl
      your quote
      shuravi (Vladimir) Today, 15: 09
      Aren't you tired of showing your nonsense? A high-explosive grenade is a type of anti-tank ammunition used by infantry.

      Crap you talker yourself
      I attach an excerpt from the material of the Art Academy. Here is the title

      and below - from the article
      1. Bouncer
        Bouncer April 15 2018 21: 38
        +17

        The right side talks about the invention of the Rdultovsky high-explosive Grenade for the 3-inch.
        I will no longer provide you with information or even give attention.
        Goodbye PR manager unfinished
  27. shuravi
    shuravi April 16 2018 10: 46
    0
    Quote: Bouncer


    What time are you crap? Still recordedregardless of your "God's dew."

    The right side talks about the invention of the Rdultovsky high-explosive Grenade for the 3-inch.
    I will no longer provide you with information or even give attention.
    Goodbye PR manager unfinished



    The bouncer decided to hide behind a lie, as always.
    Well, poke his noses in his own lies. After all, everything is recorded.
    In order:

    Bouncer
    2 of white clouds - a German platoon opened fire with shrapnel (shrapnel is bullets), and 2 of an explosion near the highway - another German platoon opened fire with grenades. The connection between them is only that, after 2 minutes after the fire with shrapnel, they opened fire and HE shells.


    Land mine torn on the ground. Respectively powerful sound of a gap.


    The soldier probably meant that the shrapnel was torn at a height and a landmine on earth.


    Shurawi
    At a height, young man, only fragmentation anti-aircraft shells explode, and anti-personnel shrapnel near the ground.
    As for high-explosive shells, this type of ammunition is initiated only after penetrating to a given depth in the ground. And the explosion can be both with the ejection of soil, and on camouflage.


    But the bouncer does not reach the couch strategist:
    Bouncer
    High explosive torn on the ground - here I wrote about.


    Shurawi
    And I assumed that you would correct at the OF. But no, I thought too well of you, you continue to rave with enviable persistence.


    Bouncer
    That is a high-explosive grenade exploded in the green shuravi)


    This refers to a high-explosive shell.
    High-explosive grenade - this term was officially fixed and at that time was used very actively. What the hell is a connoisseur of terminology?



    Shurawi
    Boy, about high-explosive shells and what they are used for, I spoke above. You confuse them with PF.


    Then again, a lie.
    Bouncer
    You didn't say anything
    confuse anti-tank grenades
    with high-explosive grenades (i.e. shells)


    Then something begins to reach him and bouncer twisted, but as always unsuccessful:


    Rdultovsky introduced a high-explosive grenade


    In fact, he invented an anti-tank high-explosive grenade and 76 mm high-explosive shell. High-explosive shells of a larger caliber existed before him.

    And finally, with the appearance of a winner, bouncer gives out:
    Bouncer
    The right side talks about the invention of the Rdultovsky high-explosive Grenade for the 3-inch.
    I will no longer provide you with information or even give attention.
    Goodbye PR manager unfinished



    Maladie, handsome. Only we have all the moves recorded, back to the very beginning:

    Bouncer
    2 of white clouds - a German platoon opened fire with shrapnel (shrapnel is bullets), and 2 of an explosion near the highway - another German platoon opened fire with grenades. The connection between them is only that, after 2 minutes after the fire with shrapnel, they opened fire and HE shells.


    Land mine torn on the ground. Respectively powerful sound of a gap.


    The soldier probably meant that the shrapnel was torn at a height and a landmine on earth.


    Shurawi
    At a height, young man, only fragmentation anti-aircraft shells explode, and anti-personnel shrapnel near the ground.
    As for high-explosive shells, this type of ammunition is initiated only after penetrating to a given depth in the ground. And the explosion can be both with the ejection of soil, and on camouflage.



    Well, your attempt to sidestep has failed, baby. lol
    1. Bouncer
      Bouncer April 16 2018 12: 47
      +15
      Who needs your order miserable chatterbox lol
      You still can’t calm down
      It’s you now and you get out in verbosity to one you understand
      I wrote everything CORRECTLY before that.
      Continue to crawl the frontline linden.
      It won’t be worse wink
      1. soldier
        soldier April 16 2018 14: 14
        +15
        Yes, he summed up, this shuravi as he wanted
        to disguise that before this sculpted a hunchback
        unhealthy person, let him be treated
        1. Bouncer
          Bouncer April 16 2018 14: 28
          +15
          naturally
          a normal person, having read the article, understands that
          two white clouds floated.
          In less than two minutes, and two, accompanied by a roar, pillars of smoke and earth shot up just above the highway.

          2 cloud (shrapnel) does not apply to 2 explosions (HE grenade). This is not written in the article.
          a normal person will decide that they fire several different guns and different types of ammunition. especially since there were not 2 guns, but 2-3 batteries that fired both at Russian infantry (shrapnel) and at artillery (high-explosive grenades).
          I mean, a storm in a glass of water, a pity for the time spent.
    2. Bouncer
      Bouncer April 20 2018 17: 54
      +15
      shuravi
      In fact, he invented an anti-tank high-explosive grenade and a 76 mm high-explosive shell.

      This is Rdultovsky in 1905 invented the anti-tank high-explosive grenade ???
      You go get medical treatment.
      You are the same expert on the army as I am a ballerina lol
  28. shuravi
    shuravi April 16 2018 23: 44
    -1
    Quote: Bouncer
    Who needs your order miserable chatterbox lol
    You still can’t calm down
    It’s you now and you get out in verbosity to one you understand
    I wrote everything CORRECTLY before that.
    Continue to crawl the frontline linden.
    It won’t be worse wink



    What, Chmoshnik, pinched your nose. lol
  29. shuravi
    shuravi April 16 2018 23: 48
    -1
    Quote: Bouncer
    naturally
    a normal person, having read the article, understands that


    You would at least serve an urgent one, then blather something. lol

    2 cloud (shrapnel) does not apply to 2 explosions (HE grenade). This is not written in the article.
    a normal person will decide that they fire several different guns and different types of ammunition. especially since there were not 2 guns, but 2-3 batteries that fired at Russian infantry (shrapnel) and artillery (high-explosive grenades).
    I mean, a storm in a glass of water, a pity for the time spent.


    You are incurable. You don’t understand the difference between F and HE shells. laughing
  30. shuravi
    shuravi April 16 2018 23: 53
    0
    Quote: soldier
    Yes, he summed up, this shuravi as he wanted
    to disguise that before this sculpted a hunchback
    unhealthy person, let him be treated


    What, Fedya, decided to support his clone? laughing
    1. Bouncer
      Bouncer April 17 2018 06: 25
      +15
      What, Chmoshnik, pinched your nose.

      you are probably about yourself
      You would at least serve an urgent one, then blather something.

      where I served you cannot know. how can we not know if you served. And in general - are you a man, and are you a man. Just a verbose nickname with painted drovers.
      You are incurable. You don’t understand the difference between F and HE shells.

      I understand the difference perfectly, and you there understand what you want. if it is called a high-explosive grenade in documents - then a high-explosive grenade will remain. Naturally, that is fragmentation in this case, otherwise what is needed for. simple you like the definitions of a wiki (since it’s an Internet worm), and I’ve sounded 100 years ago (since you’re a fool that I correspond with a worm).
      okay
      Be Fedya
  31. shuravi
    shuravi April 17 2018 16: 39
    0
    Quote: Bouncer
    where I served you cannot know.


    Come on. You haven’t served anywhere, it’s obvious.


    how can we not know if you served. And in general - are you a man, and are you a man. Just a verbose nickname with painted drovers.


    What, Vadik, does the fact that people who don’t hide under anonymous nicknames like you?
    To your regret, this happens.
    You can hide your head like an ostrich in the sand as much as you like, but on this site:
    http://artofwar.ru/
    It’s quite a real veterans, with a real biography. So all your objections are nothing more than a whining on the topic, - I do not believe you, you say lies!


    I understand the difference perfectly, and you there understand what you want. if it is called a high-explosive grenade in documents - then a high-explosive grenade will remain. naturally that fragmentation at the same timeotherwise, what is it for? simple you like the definitions of a wiki (since it’s an Internet worm), and I’m the ones that sounded 100 years ago (since you’re a fool that I correspond with the worm).


    So you once again confirmed your absolute lamer. Equalizing the ammunition of F with OF. laughing




    okay
    Be Fedya


    On this let you soldier answers. yes
    1. Bouncer
      Bouncer April 17 2018 18: 22
      +15
      I didn’t call anything, I just call the munition what it was called 100 years ago - a high-explosive grenade.
      Where I served you cannot know.
      Well, and about your military merits, which at every turn you trump. The one who actually served is not a nightingale about it.
      We found only that someone for a nickname in the VO borrowed the data of a respected person, a veteran. Just this.
      Well, enough about our excellence hi
  32. shuravi
    shuravi April 20 2018 13: 24
    -1
    Quote: Bouncer
    I didn’t call anything, I just call the munition what it was called 100 years ago - a high-explosive grenade.


    Oh well, can you provide evidence?

    Where I served you cannot know.


    Yes, nowhere, it’s clear already.

    Well, and about your military merits, which at every turn you trump.


    Well, then you have to put boys like you in their place.


    The one who actually served is not a nightingale about it.


    Well, the usual whining of the domestic boy that you are.

    We found only that someone for a nickname in the VO borrowed the data of a respected person, a veteran. Just this.
    Well, enough about our excellence hi


    Well, go to the page of this person, and ask:
    http://artofwar.ru/comment/l/lisowoj_w_i/about
    But you write in panties. lol
    1. Bouncer
      Bouncer April 20 2018 17: 51
      +15
      Oh well, can you provide evidence?

      And I brought you the above page from the publication of the Soviet Art Academy. An article by authorship of the divert engineer calls this ammunition - a high-explosive grenade.
      Well, the usual whining of the domestic boy that you are.

      Am I a home boy? So then you are a site grandfather. But is it grandfather? You confuse the floors. That he, then she.
      Well, go to the page of this person, and ask:
      http://artofwar.ru/comment/l/lisowoj_w_i/about
      But you write in panties

      I repeat to you again - that person is one thing. And you are different. And you can not identify in any way, all this is talk.
      Yes, in general, anyone can create any page and be called at least Marshal Pilsudski, go check it out.
      But besides disguise, you still masterfully know how to clean up comments - as for example today in art. about Rdultovsky. Yes, and on this page you rewrite. Adminresource is a great thing in our country. More important than knowledge, right? wink
      I’m taking my leave for this, it’s useless to communicate with scammers.
      I wish you health and longevity a veteran, but not Afghanistan, but VO hi
  33. shuravi
    shuravi April 20 2018 18: 36
    -1
    Quote: Bouncer
    Oh well, can you provide evidence?

    And I brought you the above page from the publication of the Soviet Art Academy. An article by authorship of the divert engineer calls this ammunition - a high-explosive grenade.



    You confuse the designation of high-explosive and high-explosive fragmentation shells. Which means that you are an absolute lamer in military affairs.

    Am I a home boy?


    So. yes


    I repeat to you again - that person is one thing. And you are different. And you can not identify in any way, all this is talk.


    What are you saying? And you want, I’ll say hello there. lol


    Yes, in general, anyone can create any page and be called at least Marshal Pilsudski, go check it out.


    So come on, create a page there.

    But besides disguise, you still masterfully know how to clean up comments - as for example today in art. about Rdultovsky. Yes, and on this page you rewrite. Adminresource is a great thing in our country. More important than knowledge, right? wink
    I’m taking my leave for this, it’s useless to communicate with scammers.
    I wish you health and longevity a veteran, but not Afghanistan, but VO hi



    Yes, you are incurable. laughing

    1. Bouncer
      Bouncer April 20 2018 18: 55
      +15
      You confuse the designation of high-explosive and high-explosive fragmentation shells. Which means that you are an absolute lamer in military affairs.

      Stop dumbing.
      I do not confuse, I say - that at that time the munition was called a high-explosive grenade. And the Soviet experts of the Art Academy, whose opinions you stubbornly do not notice, agree with me.
      So come on, create a page there.

      I do not need it. I do not live on the Internet, powdering people's brains. There are things in the real world.
      What proves the spread of the document, which is held by an unknown whose hand? Only that someone has it. And not that you are he.
      Well, nothing, laws on transparency of Internet comments (and nicknames) will appear soon - everything will fall into place.
      1. The comment was deleted.
        1. Bouncer
          Bouncer April 20 2018 19: 27
          +15
          Have you looked?
          And now I’m deleting my photo, there’s nothing to be publicly displayed.
          Not the girls. Be my friend
  34. shuravi
    shuravi April 20 2018 19: 48
    -1
    Quote: Bouncer

    Stop dumbing.
    I do not confuse, I say - that at that time the munition was called a high-explosive grenade. And the Soviet experts of the Art Academy, whose opinions you stubbornly do not notice, agree with me.


    You are stupid. At that time there were already F and HE shells.


    I do not need it. I do not live on the Internet, powdering people's brains. There are things in the real world.



    That is, your statement that on ARTOFVAR anyone can create a lie page. lol


    What proves the spread of the document, which is held by an unknown whose hand? Only that someone has it. And not that you are he.


    You are stupid unreal. The spread of the document proves that it is mine.

    Well, nothing, laws on transparency of Internet comments (and nicknames) will appear soon - everything will fall into place.


    That's for sure, you'll disappear right away. lol
  35. shuravi
    shuravi April 20 2018 19: 50
    0
    Quote: Bouncer
    Have you looked?
    And now I’m deleting my photo, there’s nothing to be publicly displayed.
    Not the girls. Be my friend


    All I saw was just this: The comment has been deleted.
    And even if you uploaded a photo, how do you prove that it is yours? lol
    1. Bouncer
      Bouncer April 20 2018 20: 17
      +15
      You are stupid. At that time there were already F and HE shells.

      No, you are stupid. At that time, the shell was called a high-explosive grenade. Look at the Art Academy that you posted.
      you will disappear immediately.
      you will be lost
      All I saw was just this: The comment has been deleted.

      Considering your admin resource, you can consider my photo. it has been preserved in the military coffers.
      And even if you uploaded a photo, how do you prove that it is yours?

      and you won’t prove in any way that the hand of a person holding a photo is the hand of the person who is depicted on it wink
      and by the way you have nothing to prove
  36. shuravi
    shuravi April 20 2018 21: 54
    -1
    Quote: Bouncer
    You are stupid. At that time there were already F and HE shells.

    No, you are stupid. At that time, the shell was called a high-explosive grenade. Look at the Art Academy that you posted.


    And shrapnel, smoke, are no longer shells? By your logic.
    Oh, you schoolboy. laughing

    you will be lost


    I, unlike you, are a troll under my own name. laughing


    Considering your admin resource, you can consider my photo. it has been preserved in the military coffers.


    Do you have a persecution mania? Or are you a member of a mournful house?
    I am a simple participant on this resource. So you are low. You didn’t upload any photos.


    and you won’t prove in any way that the hand of a person holding a photo is the hand of the person who is depicted on it wink
    and by the way you have nothing to prove


    Already proven sickly. For there is not a photo, but an official foreign passport. It has been preserved from my time of service.
    Or do you not know how to read capital letters? laughing
    1. Bouncer
      Bouncer April 21 2018 04: 59
      +15
      Quote: Bouncer
      You are stupid. At that time there were already F and HE shells.

      No, you are stupid. At that time, the shell was called a high-explosive grenade. Look at the Art Academy that you posted.
      And shrapnel, smoke, are no longer shells? By your logic.

      You stubbornly walk away from the fact that the specialists of the Artacademy write exactly about the HEAD Grenade.
      However, he did not expect another from the pianist.
      I, unlike you, a troll under my own name

      No, you are on this site under dozens of names. Old guardian troll, pathogen virus. The cover is naturally different.
      1. Bouncer
        Bouncer April 21 2018 05: 48
        +15
        I will not send a passport, I will send the right
        covering up something
        all the more so since you, too, allegedly at your official travel passport very successfully covered the numbers with a piece of paper.
        Convinced?