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New condition of Baku: Gabala radar should not be directed against Turkey

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New condition of Baku: Gabala radar should not be directed against TurkeyAzerbaijan will prolong the lease agreement for the Gabala radar station with Russia only if Moscow gives guarantees to Baku that this station will not be directed against Turkey, said A REGNUM source close to the negotiation process.

According to him, it can be said that all issues have been resolved, but only this issue has remained unresolved, and the parties continue discussions. The same source noted that the parties had practically agreed on the cost of renting the station by the Russian side.

Recall, 9 of April at a press conference in Baku, the head of the Russian Federation Council, Valentina Matvienko, stated that many disagreements over the issue of extending the Russian lease of the Gabala radar station were removed. As she noted, now a normal negotiation process is taking place between Russia and Azerbaijan, and it remains to agree on several issues.

The Gabala radar station was one of the most important elements of the USSR missile defense system. After gaining independence by Azerbaijan and the transfer of the radar to its property, the Russian Federation continued to use the station. The Russian agreement to lease the Gabala radar station was signed in 2002. It expires on 24 on December 2012 of the year.

The Russian Defense Ministry reported that negotiations were held with Azerbaijan to extend the lease of the Gabala radar station to 2025. Russia expects to complete negotiations by June 2012, since a new agreement must be concluded no later than six months before the expiration of the old contract. Meanwhile, Azerbaijan demanded an increase in the rent for the use of the Gabala radar station from $ 7 million to $ 300 million. Sources in the Russian Defense Ministry say that Baku’s demands were "unreasonably high"

In 2007, Russian President Vladimir Putin proposed to the United States as an alternative to deploying US missile defense elements in Europe, the joint use of the Gabala radar station.

Recall that in January of this year, a radar station, part of the missile defense system deployed by the United States in Europe, was put into operation in Turkey, in the district of Kurejik, Malatya province near the borders of Iran, Georgia and Armenia. Experts believe that Russia can use the Gabala radar against Turkey.
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  1. Igorboss16
    Igorboss16 April 29 2012 07: 30
    +29
    yeah, why should we turn it, maybe they want to do something else, they’re very impudent, and why then this radar, if it’s forbidden to view the area of ​​the likely launch of the mbr, we pay them for the rent, and the territories that it looks at are already our interests, and what do they care about as if this radar directly threatens Turkey, besides it there are a dozen more such states
    1. Winter
      Winter April 29 2012 08: 23
      +38
      This station is not directed against Turkey! She is sent FOR Turkey!
      1. Jaromir
        Jaromir April 29 2012 08: 46
        +26
        It’s time to solve this problem, and to solve it radically. There is too much stink, too many negotiations and rents!
        1. Omarion
          Omarion April 29 2012 17: 37
          0
          Quote: Jaromir
          Too much stink, too much negotiation


          That is the rule of Azerbaijan, and we also think so. Didn’t you understand, we just want not a single Russian soldier on our territory. And if you will, then according to our conditions. Like, welcome but no so no.

          But Russia spat on the fact that being a member of the OSCE to resolve the Karabakh problem, and even in Gyumri in Armenia, increased the base period, although it was supposed to be neutral? If you can do such a stink, then why don't we spit?
          1. David
            David April 29 2012 17: 47
            -1
            "What is allowed to Jupiter is not allowed to a bull")))))))))))))))))))
            You will regret more than once that you behave this way.
            1. Omarion
              Omarion April 29 2012 18: 11
              0
              David, if you are a person, if you have the honor, understanding, then I ask you as a person, just do not write to me. I ask you as a person. Since, seeing an Armenian, my mood deteriorates. I hope you have a gram of honor. Just disappear.

              I don’t know what about the bull and Jupiter, but you’ll see what is allowed to Azerbaijanis.
            2. Satanail
              Satanail April 29 2012 20: 57
              +1
              Maybe even turn it towards Russia lol
            3. Azeri2012
              Azeri2012 April 30 2012 05: 34
              -8
              Quote: David
              You will regret more than once that you behave this way.

              From your words, from the outside it looks like this. Azerbaijanis behave badly and they will regret it. So you punish us like that?

              And the conclusion from your words follows as follows: The Armenians who allegedly killed one and a half million, the so-called Armenian genocide, were also deserved?

              P.S. Then in the course of Khojaly you will pay the second genocide.
        2. Azeri2012
          Azeri2012 April 30 2012 05: 31
          -6
          Quote: Jaromir
          stink, too many negotiations and rents!


          Believe the people of Azerbaijan think so.
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay April 29 2012 08: 48
        +1
        Margaret!
        You plus for humor and knowledge !!))
        1. esaul
          esaul April 29 2012 11: 09
          +14
          Greetings, colleagues! I also liked Margarita's comments, the same - plus. But I also "like" this position of Azerbaijan, which, under the peaceful rumbling, in addition to insisting on the "non-directional" radar against Turkey, provides four airfields for Israeli aviation on its territory. It is naive to say that Israel needs four airfields on the territory of the Republic of Armenia for "exchange of experience"! This position suggests a parallel between NATO's promises of "non-directionality" with the simultaneous deployment of its missile defense system in Poland and plans for deployment in Romania. What is behind this - a banal feeling to annoy your regional rival (Iran), knowing that this is being substituted by Russia, or a banal weakness before the temptation to fill up the pot?
          1. domokl
            domokl April 29 2012 12: 03
            +10
            Quote: esaul
            - a banal feeling to annoy your regional competitor (Iran), knowing that Russia is substituted for this, or is it a banal weakness before the temptation to fill up a small pill?
            I welcome Valera! I completely agree with you ... Baku actively declares its leading role in the Caspian region ... And all this catastrophe is directed specifically against Russia and Iran .... It seems that Baku wants to take the place of Russia as a transit country for Turkmenistan and in general Asian oil ...
            1. esaul
              esaul April 29 2012 20: 25
              0
              domokl,
              Sasha, I welcome and thank you for your support. drinks
      3. domokl
        domokl April 29 2012 12: 00
        +15
        Whatever we decide there, Baku is an adversary and will not let us work quietly at this station ... There is an obvious blackmail of Russia ... So the problem needs to be solved by the accelerated construction of the radar station in this region in order to monitor Azerbaijan too ... there are too many pitfalls in our relationship
        1. Omarion
          Omarion April 29 2012 17: 40
          0
          Quote: domokl
          There are too many pitfalls in our relationship


          I completely agree with your post. This is the result of the policy towards Azerbaijan. (Karabakh process)

          Previously, the Russian government did not receive an adequate response to the support of the separatist regime in Karabakh.

          They said one thing and did another. The policy of the 2nd standards in relation to official Baku.

          And now Azerbaijan has begun to respond adequately. Before judging the decisions of Baku, we’ll think about why this happened.
        2. Azeri2012
          Azeri2012 April 30 2012 05: 35
          -12
          Quote: domokl
          There are too many pitfalls in our relationship


          And what did you think when you threw Armenian stones at Azerbaijani lands and at the same time WE said FOR TERRITORIAL integrity of Azerbaijan and in fact GYUMRI for 50 years, the Collective Security Treaty Organization and so on.

          You did not understand that this is the result of your policies and not ours?
    2. Omarion
      Omarion April 29 2012 17: 35
      0
      Quote: Igorboss16
      they are insolently insolent


      in Azerbaijan, when someone speaks to someone, OUTDOOR in response, they receive one answer. I did not eat your bread and did not drink your water to impudent.

      My goods, I sell at this price, you want to take it, you do not want it, take it!

      Quote: Igorboss16
      we pay them for rent

      7 MILLION? Usually they pay a lot more for such a colossus.
    3. Azeri2012
      Azeri2012 April 30 2012 05: 30
      -7
      Quote: Igorboss16
      they are insolently insolent


      When in Azerbaijan, someone tells someone DETECTED, the answer is this: I didn’t eat your bread and didn’t drink your water and it wasn’t you who raised me to speak I DEFECTED. I live in my own country, eat my bread, drink my water, I don’t owe you and my father shouldn’t owe your father, so leave your accusations and hysteria to yourself. But if you look honestly, it’s still not known who owes whom and who is impudent at my house on my land. So your word is insolent, it will not be appropriate.

      Don't like the price? Do not buy! At the same time, I do not scold you, saying that I am insolent that it does not give the price that I ask.
      1. Норд
        Норд April 30 2012 12: 00
        +4
        Respected. It is about the purposeful pushing of Russia from Gabala. And this is done using bazaar methods. Good neighbors do not solve problems like that. Russia will leave, and in this situation it will most likely leave, the Americans will race. And then you are fully aware of the meaning of the word OUTDOOR. They won’t bargain with them and they’ll flatten any national pride and dignity not in a childish way - examples around the world are like dirt.
        Well, the requirements of your leadership cannot even be called ridiculous, they are simply illiterate. The station has a stationary antenna system with a radiation pattern of 115-205 degrees and if you project it onto a map, you will see that it does not capture Turkey in any way. So that these requirements are pure water speculation.
        1. Azeri2012
          Azeri2012 April 30 2012 12: 26
          -3
          Quote: Nord
          It is about the purposeful pushing of Russia from Gabala.


          Correctly. Why do we have in Azerbaijan, should the base of that country function, which not only actively helps our enemies, but is itself a problem of this conflict. And even worse, it is not in the interests of this country to solve the problem with conscience and honor.

          Quote: Nord
          And this is done using bazaar methods.

          In war, all means are good. Generally, all politicians do so. Let's remember about Georgian Borjomi, about Moldavian oil, about Ukrainian, about Belarusian dairy products, forgot everything how Russia forbade to import? What is this method?

          Quote: Nord
          Good neighbors do not solve problems like that.

          That's it. Alas, we have no good neighbors. Not from the north, not from the south, not from the west.
          History has shown us this more than once.


          Quote: Nord
          Russia will leave, and in this situation it will most likely leave, the Americans will race.

          I have always treated Russia somehow with the feeling that this is something of ours. Even when he was studying abroad, all Russian-speaking people gathered there. In a word, it’s easier for me to talk with a native of the union than with a European, but, ohhh, my people, my country, were hostile. That South Korea lives under the dictation of the United States, Dubai, and so on, do they live poorly?

          Georgia, where everything was decided by money, now there is no corruption, can you imagine this? Thieves nothing. Leave the car open at night in the middle of the road and return in the morning.

          The police began to work, this is a separate issue. They specifically help people. Azerbaijan would have such discipline.

          Although America’s paw is everywhere.



          Quote: Nord
          And then you are fully aware of the meaning of the word OUTDOOR.


          It is not appropriate to use this word in relation to Azerbaijan. There is a product, I sell according to my conditions, I like to take it and there is no goodbye.

          what's the question? The radar is our property and only we decide how it will dispose. Do you like it if someone on your earth dictates to you?

          Quote: Nord
          So that these requirements are pure water speculation.

          This is an occasion. I agree. And if they solve this problem, then the authorities will find the next reason. Already learned how to conduct politics. Thank God the result is not bad. So it was necessary to do from the first days and not think, but what if?
          1. Норд
            Норд April 30 2012 13: 38
            +3
            Quote: "It is not appropriate to use this word in relation to Azerbaijan."

            I used this word in relation to American soldiers in any country where their presence is noted.
            As for the station, it was not Azerbaijan that built it, but the USSR. You need a microscope like a Papuan - an expensive and useless toy. Do not be like a dog in the hay. Moreover, there is no mention of a dictate from Russia.

            Quote: "We have already learned how to conduct politics. Thank God the result is not bad."

            This is not politics, this is market bargaining. Such a price for your product no one in their right mind will give. But the result will appear in a dozen years and, I think, it will not please you. Oil and gas tend to run low, especially since their reserves are significantly exaggerated by the media. And then what?

            Quote: "Let's remember about Georgian Borjomi, about Moldavian oil, about Ukrainian oil, about Belarusian dairy products, have you forgotten everything about how Russia forbade importing?"

            A very bad example. If you want, then remember that this was exactly the response to unfriendly actions against Russia.
            You, like an educated and intelligent person, must understand that momentary benefits can threaten big troubles in the future. Flirting with the West and Turkey is a dangerous undertaking and there are many examples in the history of this.
            1. Azeri2012
              Azeri2012 April 30 2012 14: 42
              -5
              Quote: Nord
              This is not politics, this is market bargaining.


              Well, that means all the politicians in the Bazaar, from Putin who is almost blackmailing the Gazprom screw
              Yanukovych and Yushchenko who are behind the Trans-Caspian gas pipelines. So, dear Nord, before looking for traders in Azerbaijan, please, take a closer look. I am sure in your area such traders are not few in politics. This is the politics of the 21st century.

              Quote: Nord
              You need a microscope like a Papuan - an expensive and useless toy.

              Dear, I spoke or one of my fellow countrymen said why you needed the Chernobyl nuclear power plant, it’s like to put an aborigine in front of a laptop.
              So let us decide how to use our expensive toys. Moreover, we bought the Israeli shield, I think the tomato traders learned to press their buttons once they spend billions. Don't you think?

              Quote: Nord
              This is not politics, this is market bargaining. Such a price for your product no one in their right mind will give.

              Have you ever thought that we need this? Have you ever thought about this? Are we just looking for a reason? Cultural occasion, how does Putin find harm in our tomatoes and cucumbers? Food for brain.

              Quote: Nord
              Oil and gas tend to run low, especially since their reserves are significantly exaggerated by the media. And then what?


              That's when the end, then we will think what to do next. In the meantime, we have oil, which means there is something to trade. We live in the present, thinking about the future. And for the future we do not need in our land to keep the elder brother of our main enemies. This is the same as that during the years 1941 -45 in Moscow to open the Musalini culture house.

              Quote: Nord
              If you want, then remember that this was exactly the response to unfriendly actions against Russia.

              My dear, who is Georgia to do something in the first place, the first to be bad in relation to Russia? NATO doesn’t even allow itself to run into Russia, but Georgia allowed? )))))))))))))))) Georgia solves the issue of its constitutional right. And the Kremlin needs a lever. Well, let's not.

              Quote: Nord
              You, like an educated and intelligent person, must understand that momentary benefits can threaten big troubles in the future.


              Thanks for your kind words. Only worse will not be. And if you want peace, get ready for war.

              Quote: Nord
              Flirting with the West and Turkey is a dangerous undertaking and there are many examples in the history of this.

              What has the flirtations of Dubai, South Korea, Europe and so on with the United States led to? And what led the flirting of North Korea with the USSR?

              And Turkey and Azerbaijan are one nation. They have already saved us more than once. If not for Turkey, we would have long been attacked from all 3 sides. Trust me.
              1. Норд
                Норд April 30 2012 15: 34
                +5
                Quote: "When it's over, then we'll think about what to do next."

                Very wise. Successes.

                Quote: "NATO does not even allow itself to run into Russia, but did Georgia allow it?"

                And are you serious? It looks like we live on different planets and for you black is white.
                1. Azeri2012
                  Azeri2012 April 30 2012 15: 49
                  -6
                  Georgia was resolving the issue in its own right on the territory and on Russian soil.
        2. synchrophasatron
          synchrophasatron April 30 2012 13: 45
          0
          Quote: Nord
          what are these requirements


          but why did you decide that such requirements generally exist? because of a Regnum article that refers to an alien source?
          1. Норд
            Норд April 30 2012 14: 15
            +1
            Quote: "why did you decide that such requirements exist at all?"

            And what are we discussing then? You somehow decide ... comrade under different flags.
            1. synchrophasatron
              synchrophasatron April 30 2012 16: 16
              0
              Quote: Nord
              And what are we discussing then?


              We discuss the duck. Because the Azerbaijani government did not voice such official demands.

              Quote: Nord
              You somehow decide ... comrade under different flags.


              I decided a long time ago ... Flags change depending on the server laughing
    4. nokki
      nokki April 30 2012 10: 04
      +1
      It's like when a Vietnamese sells a Russian a set of kitchen knives and says: "Tovlischa! Novzhik I only produce kolbaska! My wife is not nada!"
  2. maximus
    maximus April 29 2012 07: 41
    +23
    "Azerbaijan will prolong the agreement on the lease of the Gabala radar station with Russia only if Moscow gives guarantees to Baku that this station will not be directed against Turkey." Of course we will, just like us on missile defense!
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 29 2012 08: 13
      +1
      It’s unrealistic !!
      It seems to me a stuffing of misinformation!
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic April 29 2012 11: 08
        +21
        Quote: Yarbay
        It seems to me a stuffing of misinformation!


        After the collapse of the USSR, the Gabala radar station was inherited by the Republic of Azerbaijan. At the initial stage of the development of sovereign Azerbaijan, the leadership of the country was dominated by the opinion that it was necessary to stop the operation of this military facility. The option of dismantling the station was considered, as was done with an identical radar in Skrund, Latvia
        The Gabala radar station was part of the missile attack warning system (SPRN) of the USSR (currently - Russia), which consists of two echelons - ground and space. From space, possible launches of strategic ballistic missiles are monitored by satellites of the outer space control system (satellites of the Kosmos series) Information from the satellites is transmitted to the Serpukhov-15 control center. After processing, this information is sent to the command post of the rocket and space defense in Solnechno-Gorsk, Moscow region. However, satellites do not cover all areas of possible missile launches, for example, they cannot detect launches of sea-based missiles and missiles launched from areas outside the satellite observation area. These areas are under the control of a ground-based early warning system
        Gabala radar has been operating for over 20 years. This is a radar station for early warning of targets. The station performs missions to detect launches of land and sea ballistic missiles. The radar of the Gabala station belongs to the “Daryal” class and is capable of determining the launch areas of ballistic and cruise missiles at a distance of more than 6000 km, and ensuring the construction of the trajectory and time of their flight. The territories of North Africa, Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, India and Pakistan, as well as the Indian Ocean zone up to the Australian continent, are in the zone of continuous control of the Gabala station.
        According to the directive of the General Staff of January 14, 1977, in the urban-type settlement of Kutkashen (now Gabala, Azerbaijan) on August 31, 1977, a frame of a separate radio engineering unit was formed, under the command of Colonel A.V. Selivanov. Since then, August 31st has been part day and every year is celebrated.
        The construction of the radar at the Gabala site (RO-7) began in 1982 with the 16-story building of the Daryal radar, the Stop facility
        The territory occupied by the station covers 210 hectares. The power consumption of the station is 50 MW and can reach up to 350 MW. Station itself does not have the ability to process information and transfers all intermediate data to the military facilities “Square” and “Shverbot”, located near Moscow(KP, ZKP SPRN). That is, the station is only a terminal device in a single system of analysis and processing of information on aerospace defense; therefore, all talk about guarantees of non-directionality against anyone is pure profanity, for this it is necessary that observers of the same NATO sit at the CPRN CP in Solnechnogorsk and have access to information processing.
        Now a little about the history of the issue, which I hope will distinguish various information in the media regarding stuffing and misinformation.
        After the collapse of the USSR, certain legal problems arose with the deployment of the Gabala missile defense system. Azerbaijan was not a party to the ABM Treaty. Only membership in this Treaty would legitimize the presence of the Gabala la missile defense radar in Azerbaijan. According to Article 9 of the Treaty, each of the parties undertook not to transfer to other states and not to deploy missile defense systems or their components limited by the Treaty outside their national territory
        At that time, there was an opinion in the foreign policy department of the Republic of Azerbaijan that it was inappropriate to try to circumvent the existing problems by nominal change of the object name (it was proposed to rename the Gabala radar station to the Gabala information and analytical center). The question arose about dismantling the station. In turn, Russia was extremely interested in preserving this station and the entire collapsing missile defense system of the former USSR. The regional military-political situation played in Russia's favor. Threats from the south, which theoretically came from the traditional adversaries of the United States, contributed to the fact that the United States was also a supporter of the continuation of the station. Moreover, the US assistance in preserving the Gabala radar station helped to reduce Russia's nervousness in connection with the US plans to develop a national missile defense.
        Azerbaijan also tried to take advantage of the current situation. Given the interest of the US and Russia in the operation of the station for a certain period of time, Azerbaijan raised the question of the need to create a reliable air defense system (the S-300 is not just needed) for state security and radar cover. It was expected that Russia would assist Azerbaijan in maintaining the technical condition of the air defense system, which Azerbaijan inherited from the former USSR. It should be borne in mind that Azerbaijan has always adhered to the position that it is inappropriate to connect Azerbaijan to the common CIS air defense system. At the same time, the leadership of Azerbaijan believed that Russia's concession in this matter will ensure Russia's assistance in resolving the protracted Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict. The leadership of Azerbaijan took into account that the delay in solving the problem of the Gabala radar station, taking into account the accelerated development of technologies that will allow mobile radar stations in the near future, will lead to the loss of importance of this object and, in fact, interest of both Russia and the USA in solving the problem in the interests of Azerbaijan.
        Thus, in 1991, after Azerbaijan declared independence, Baku, privatized The Gabala radar station, however, left it at the disposal of the Russian Federation on a leasehold basis. The long and complicated negotiation process between Russia and Azerbaijan on the terms of the lease of the Gabala radar station, which was carried out with alternating success from 1994 to 2002, ended with signing in Moscow January 25, 2002 Agreement between the Russian Federation and the Republic of Azerbaijan “On the status, principles and conditions of use of the Gabala radar station (Daryal radar station)»Agreement established the status of the station as an information and analytical center owned by Azerbaijan and transferred to Russia on a ten-year lease basis until 2012 with the right to prolong the lease.. During the negotiation process, the Azerbaijani side tried to lay down clauses in the draft agreement that would allow Azerbaijan have access to information collected by the stationHowever, the Russian side, referring to the fact that all information is processed at the center near Moscow and, pointing out the need to adopt a separate agreement on the protection of classified information, within the framework of the Agreement, it left only the opportunity to monitor the preservation of the functional purpose of the information and analytical center and to cooperate in using the capabilities of the information and analytical center for joint scientific research in areas representing mutual interest.
        Immediately after the signing of the Russian-Azerbaijani Agreement on the Gabala Radar Station, the Azerbaijani opposition began to accuse the Azerbaijani official authorities of "aiding the enemy." The oppositionists consider the deployment of a military facility of Russia, which has friendly and partnership relations with Armenia, inadmissible on the territory of Azerbaijan. In their opinion, with the help of the Gabala radar station, Russia is carrying out technical reconnaissance against Turkey, a country friendly to Azerbaijan.
        The head of the Turkish parliament, Omar Izgi, expressed Turkey's official position on the issue of leasing the Gabala radar station to Russia: “This is to the detriment of Turkey. With the help of this radar, Russia, a powerful military power, will be aware of everything that is happening in the region, in particular Turkey, which has a strong army. "

        Apparently, similar opinions are again emerging today. From all of the above, it can be concluded that no matter how long this station existed in Azerbaijan, its work will always excite the Azerbaijani public and cause heated debates. Various stuffing and speculations will appear. Like the construction of a radar station in Armenia, which is again impractical due to the geographical "unsuitability" of the territory.
        It seems to me that the parties have already come to a common denominator. As for the confirmation, I think that an agreement will be announced between May 7 - the day of Vladimir Putin’s inauguration and June 9 - the expiration of the current lease term for the Gabala radar station. We’ll wait and see. If Azerbaijan has modern air defense systems capable of knocking down both RSD and tactical and missile defense such a station will certainly be necessary for him in the future to track in real time the moment of launches of these missiles. I think the leaders of Azerbaijan know this and the negotiations will be successful. In reality, 3-4 people from the top leadership of both Russia and Azerbaijan probably know the essence of the agreements. The circle of people will expand, we will find out.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay April 29 2012 11: 36
          0
          Stanislav !! I honestly say nothing about the very informative and competent analysis made by you, as always !!
          I never cease to admire your knowledge and analytical abilities!
          I just want to express my attitude in more detail !!
          and the question of possible lack of direction you coolly lit, for the literate from the regnum !!
          The thing is, let’s say Russia left Gabala, that they won’t be able to track Turkey from Armavir or another point ???
          In my opinion, Azerbaijan needs this station no less than Russia, that is, its presence !! Yes, the risks increase somewhere, but the position grows somewhere else !!
          As for the agreement, I’m also sure, because for sure this issue has not been considered for the last three months, but consultations are going on throughout the entire rental period !!
          And then from the media reports it turns out that only three months ago, Azerbaijan remembered its property right not seriously !!
          I think we will hear not only about the appearance of modern air defense systems, but I think there will be more interesting financial and economic projects !!
          Although I do not argue that for sure the armament will come first!
      2. esaul
        esaul April 29 2012 11: 12
        +5
        Quote: Yarbay
        It seems to me a stuffing of misinformation

        Alibek, welcome! I'd like it to be that way!
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay April 29 2012 11: 42
          +1
          Good afternoon, Valery !!
          I’m an optimist in life !! Before the last signing of the agreement, they talked a lot about the dangers of this station, and that, in principle, there are a lot of diseases, including cancer, in the resort area because of the station!
          Locals complained !!
          It seems to have created a commission and ..... how it all ended is incomprehensible !!
          In this case, I think until Russia itself wants to — it won’t leave !!
          1. domokl
            domokl April 29 2012 12: 09
            +6
            Quote: Yarbay
            in the resort area because of the station there are a lot of diseases, including cancer!
            Locals complained !!

            It’s interesting ... And if it is not directed against Turkey, then these diseases will stop? I think that there is still a struggle for Turkmen gas ... Any agreements in the background have precisely these tasks ... At the moment, Russia cannot to leave simply because there is nothing to replace ... What has been built so far at the commissioning stage ... So we will have to give in and Baku will understand this ... We need to look at other agreements, especially on gas ...
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay April 29 2012 12: 19
              -2
              Alexander did not want to answer you, but could not resist !!
              First of all, you will learn to read the dialogue between the two interlocutors, and then express your valuable opinion and question !! you should carefully read dear Stanislav! This is about oncological diseases and generally about the focus on Turkey and generally about the possibility of discussing this issue !!
              The fact that Russia can leave or not, I didn’t understand why you wrote it ???? If to my last sentence in the previous comment, then you are inattentively reading !! As for Turkmen gas, I don’t think that the issue is being solved by this, but the struggle probably goes agree, but not between Azerbaijan and Russia !!
              As for watching other agreements, especially on gas, what you wanted to say honestly did not understand !!
              with respect
              1. domokl
                domokl April 29 2012 12: 55
                +2
                I welcome you Alibek ... I will answer directly on points ...
                I read carefully enough what is presented on this site in general and on specific issues in particular ... That is why I quoted your statement ... And then my question ... From the point of view of formal logic, I did not distort anything. ..
                About Russia's departure from Azerbaijan ... At the moment, we cannot leave this radar simply because our current radars do not cover the territories that your radar covers ...
                Regarding Turkmen gas ... The fight is between Azerbaijan and Russia ... And you know it very well ... Russia now, as the main transit country for this gas, has the opportunity to make good money on this ... But Baku has already done this in this area many, agree ... and the main task now is to switch part of this gas from Russian to Azerbaijani pipe ... And build a pipeline past the Russian borders ...
                And finally, gas agreements ... Look over the past month, two how Baku has intensified in relations with Turkmenistan and Turkey ... As soon as it smelled of an opportunity to pinch Iran, it started .. And the questions at all meetings are gas and gas pipelines ...
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay April 29 2012 13: 07
                  -5
                  Dear Alexander!!
                  1. I didn’t say that Russia should leave Gabala !! Therefore, I don’t understand your reasoning about Russia's readiness or unavailability to leave Gabala !!
                  2. Regarding Turkmen gas, if you would follow our press, you would know that the President of Azerbaijan and officials have stated that both Nabucco and the Trans-Caspian pipeline are European projects and if they are funded by interested parties, then we are only FOR !! but they themselves do not intend to finance these projects!
                  In relations with Turkmenistan, revitalization went with the advent of Berdymuhamedov, and not the last two months! Before that, there were strained relations!
                  Honestly, I am not serious about the words to pinch Iran !!
                  Do you believe in the possibility of this now ??
                  As for the meetings, if Turkmenistan is ready to give gas and Europe finances and ensures the safety of the pipeline, why refuse ?? Who would refuse ???
                  1. domokl
                    domokl April 29 2012 13: 27
                    +4
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    Honestly, I am not serious about the words to pinch Iran !!
                    Do you believe in the possibility of this now ??
                    You know Alibek, in your discourse the elements of the ideological struggle are very clearly visible ... wink And the struggle is not with Russia, but with Armenia ... For the Russian field, let’s say so ... I am attentive to the stuffing and I understand when and to whom it is beneficial ... This article is clearly custom-made, but not Baku ... however the facts presented in it take place to be .. Another thing is the interpretation of these facts .. But this is so .. retreat along the way ...
                    And on the issue of BD in Iran ... I agree that at present nothing can happen there ... The Iranian army is too strong and the weather will be too hot soon ... Technology will not work ... But does a theoretical possibility of an autumn offensive exist? , but it’s quite real ... And the owner who does not prepare a sled in the summer and in the winter a cart is bad ...
                    Regarding European projects ... Could you tell me why they arose right now and who initiated the introduction of Europeans into the Caspian region in general? Baku, specifically Baku ... Has stability become bored? Or has the problem worsened with Yerevan?
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay April 29 2012 13: 45
                      -3
                      Dear Alexander!!
                      as for ideology, I don’t know how you noticed this from my three modest comments on this topic and even managed to determine their orientation, but I’ll tell you that you were not mistaken!
                      As for Armenia, no matter how loud and pathos it sounds, until at least a millimeter of my Motherland is occupied, I will not change my hostile attitude towards it!
                      and even after that I’m not sure that something will change, that is in my priorities!
                      As for Iran, I think interesting events will be either in the summer or in at least a year !!
                      and even if they are, there will be such a mess, I hope you understand me that it’s more expensive to poke yourself!
                      I do not argue the initiator of the introduction of Europeans into the Caspian region !!
                      but in this case about the pipeline in the previous comment, I think I expressed myself clearly !!
                      1. Cadet787
                        Cadet787 April 29 2012 14: 07
                        -1
                        Dear Alibek, how do you imagine a solution to the Nagorno-Karabakh problem?
                      2. Yarbay
                        Yarbay April 29 2012 14: 24
                        -3
                        Dear George, I would like the decision to be peaceful and without blood, but there seems to be little hope for it !!
                        My personal opinion is if there is any solution, then only by military means !!
                        And honestly, I really want it to be before my retirement age!
                        Since the problem began during our generation and I do not want it to be solved by future generations !!
                      3. Cadet787
                        Cadet787 April 29 2012 14: 44
                        -2
                        Solving problems by military means in modern conditions is the way to nowhere.
                      4. Omarion
                        Omarion April 29 2012 17: 45
                        +1
                        But we will not forget Karabakh. There are shootings every day. Every day, people die. It must be decided. Either Azerbaijan will return by force, or they themselves will return, although I doubt it very much.

                        There are resolutions. There is a contract. International law. Laws are on our side.
                      5. David
                        David April 29 2012 17: 50
                        -5
                        You forgot one more option - you renounce your claims to our land, and return Nakhichevan to us as a gesture of goodwill.
                        And peace comes.
                      6. Omarion
                        Omarion April 29 2012 18: 15
                        0
                        Quote: David
                        You forgot one more option - you give up your claims to our land


                        That is, in Karabakh?

                        Quote: David
                        and as a gesture of goodwill, you return Nakhichevan to us. And peace comes.


                        and 8 ===== Uh, you don’t want mine?

                        Once again I am convinced that greed is not equal to you. KUI YOU ARE NOT SUGGESTED AND KARABAKH.

                        You need to cut. Until one and more than one hai can not be left in our region, you are from such uroroodooo that just do not get rid of it.
                      7. kNow
                        kNow April 29 2012 18: 27
                        +4
                        why stopped, add Javakheti, Krasnodar, Kuban, you are our insatiable
                      8. David
                        David April 29 2012 19: 27
                        +1
                        And what, Azerbaijanis already dispose of Georgian and Russian lands?
                      9. Azeri2012
                        Azeri2012 April 30 2012 05: 43
                        -2
                        Paris, California :))))))))))))))
                      10. Azeri2012
                        Azeri2012 April 30 2012 05: 41
                        -6
                        Quote: David
                        you give up your claims to our land

                        If you are about Karabakh, you did not recognize it.
                        The whole world, including you confirm that this is our land.
                        On the maps of Karabakh is listed as ours.
                        That means you will not return for good, then we will force for bad. For this, we have the army and money and human resources, which I will not say about you.
                        Quote: David
                        and as a gesture of goodwill, return Nakhichevan to us.

                        Hai, I give you my word, if you climb in Nakhchivan, then build the second Genocide complex. Plus and Armenia.
                      11. iulai
                        iulai April 30 2012 09: 03
                        +1
                        Yes, Azerbaijan will never return Karabakh, Azerbaijanis are a nation of traders, and traders have never been warriors.
                      12. kNow
                        kNow April 30 2012 10: 43
                        -2
                        iulai,

                        We are already tired of proving to blind people and dumbasses that we are fighting no worse than you ...
                      13. Azeri2012
                        Azeri2012 April 30 2012 11: 16
                        -3
                        Quote: iulai
                        never azerbaijan

                        never say never.

                        Quote: iulai
                        Azerbaijanis are a nation of traders

                        thanks for the compliment. it’s better to be a merchant and buy cheaply and sell in your own conditions than to walk like beggars around the world with outstretched hands.
                      14. Argir
                        Argir April 30 2012 01: 25
                        +1
                        The operation to force Georgia to peace removed the issue of the status of two unrecognized republics.
                      15. Azeri2012
                        Azeri2012 April 30 2012 05: 39
                        -5
                        Quote: Cadet787
                        But how do you imagine a solution to the Nagorno-Karabakh problem?


                        And how would you solve the problem if your neighbors take away 20% of your land, a million refugees, and at the same time say that give another 30% and we will be friends?

                        FIRST turn to answer yourself.
                  2. plotnikov561956
                    plotnikov561956 April 30 2012 09: 30
                    +1
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    and Europe finances and ensures the safety of the pipeline, why refuse ?? Who would refuse ???

                    Europe will not ensure the safety of Nabucco. For one simple reason that it does not finance this construction. You can put a candle for this giant. Turkmen gas will likely turn to China and not to the Caspian
          2. esaul
            esaul April 29 2012 12: 27
            +3
            Quote: Yarbay
            I'm an optimist in life !!

            Alibek, I am the same! And I am glad that this does not go away from me with age!
            Quote: Yarbay
            In this case, I think until Russia itself wants to — it won’t leave !!

            I absolutely agree! It seems that everyone is well aware that "there is no need to wake up a loser ..." and they prefer to make compromises, not forgetting to regularly remember their "independent" sovereignty. Let these words amuse the pride of those who pronounce them.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay April 29 2012 12: 30
              -3
              Absolutely independent sovereignty is not present and cannot be !!
              Everything depends on something or on someone, but each state has interests and priorities !!
            2. Azeri2012
              Azeri2012 April 30 2012 05: 46
              -6
              Quote: esaul
              It seems that everyone is well aware that "there is no need to wake up the sick ..."


              In this case, the solution is only to make friends with the enemy of my enemy. By the way, how do you look at the saying that even a jackal can kill a lion if it bites correctly?

              Quote: esaul
              and prefer to make compromises, while not forgetting to regularly recall their "independent" sovereignty.


              20 years empty talk is not enough? Yes, and you know very well that dialogue leads nowhere.
          3. Ascetic
            Ascetic April 29 2012 13: 09
            +7
            Quote: Yarbay
            Before the last signing of the agreement, they talked a lot about the harm of this station, that, in principle, there are a lot of diseases, including cancer, in the resort area because of the station!


            With us, the experienced and old wolves "rocket men" usually scare the morlode soldiers and summer If you want to become a father, wrap the egg with lead. " The threat to ecology and health is extremely small. It's just another stereotype. And if replaced by Voronezh which requires 10 times less power, the impact on the environment in general will be extremely negligible. It's just that in such rumors we, as they say, are to a greater extent to blame ourselves, frightening the local population with all sorts of horrors so that they would not climb out of curiosity or desire to profit by something like some "unnecessary" pieces of iron)
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay April 29 2012 13: 15
              0
              I am not a specialist, therefore, Stanislav, I rely on your knowledge !!
              I just wanted to show in the previous comment that it was possible to find more real reasons for revising the contract than the notorious guarantees for Turkey !!
              Therefore, I am sure that this is misinformation !!
              1. gigiperfetto
                gigiperfetto April 29 2012 16: 50
                +4
                Although either reluctantly, by knowledge or by not knowing, by cunning or by stupidity, but you (Azerbaijan) transfer your eggs slowly from the Russian basket to another.
                PS Think that if all the leading generations of Azerbaijanis and Armenians hated each other, the conclusion from your comments is that this is the current situation.
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay April 29 2012 17: 09
                  -5
                  As for the basket and eggs, everything is not so simple, much more complicated and in order to explain my point to you, I will have to explain too long!
                  about relations with Armenians, I grew up in the same yard with people of different nationalities and there were many Armenians, but after everything that happened, my hatred was unlimited !!! but hatred of the Nazis and not civilians, I feel sorry for them!
                  Yes, in Soviet times, we did not know as well as you about what happened before the revolution, about the then victims!
                  The previous generations after the collapse of the USSR only told us about the massacre in Baku by Armenians of the civilian population in March 1918, in the city of Shamakhi, in Guba! About the massacre of 31!
                  not to list everything !!
            2. Ascetic
              Ascetic April 29 2012 13: 25
              +10
              ... In general, fairy tales for young girls at the disco from the lips of "seasoned" warriors (approximately as in the photo
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay April 29 2012 13: 28
                -3
                In your case, with photography, it’s a very beautiful fairy tale)))))))))))))
                but in the case of the station, you’ll agree that not everyone can stand the nerves !!
              2. esaul
                esaul April 29 2012 16: 36
                +2
                Ascetic,
                Stanislav, laughed, mate. In general, I thought that the time of the peacocks had somehow passed away - people realized that it looked like a circus. Today's form looks, basically, quite worthy. It’s just that I haven’t seen such people in the photo for a long time. It turns out - was wrong?
              3. Argir
                Argir April 30 2012 01: 28
                0
                And in my opinion I saw him somewhere)))
            3. gigiperfetto
              gigiperfetto April 29 2012 16: 34
              0
              Azerbaijani version of Onishchenko. wink
      3. plotnikov561956
        plotnikov561956 April 30 2012 10: 28
        +2
        According to experts, Russia's interest in the Gabala radar station is not at all in its military purpose. Because after the second segment of the "Voronezh-DM" radar station in Armavir is put into operation, which provides for tracking ballistic missiles, this station can completely replace the Gabala radar station. Therefore, considering Russia's intention to retain the station in Gabala is dictated, most likely, by military-political factors.
        1. kNow
          kNow April 30 2012 10: 45
          +2
          Quote: plotnikov561956

          According to experts


          I think they are right. The value of the station is not that it is a radar, but that the military base, although it is called an analytical center ...
        2. plotnikov561956
          plotnikov561956 April 30 2012 10: 53
          +1
          During the July 2007 meeting of the presidents of Russia and the United States in the American
          Kennenbankport, Putin said Russia could, if necessary
          to connect Russian to the joint missile launch monitoring system
          A new generation radar, which is currently being built in the south of the country in Ar-
          mavira
          Question of Gabala turns out to be solved by Russia
    2. revnagan
      revnagan April 29 2012 10: 53
      +7
      Quote: maximus
      this station will not be directed against Turkey. "
      I probably don’t even understand. How can a radar station be directed against anyone else? It's not a rocket launcher! It just tracks probable missile launches! And it’s almost like in the movies: “You don’t look there, you look here.” This is nonsense.
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic April 29 2012 13: 33
        +3
        Quote: revnagan
        I probably don’t even understand. How can a radar station be directed against anyone else? It's not a rocket launcher! It just tracks probable missile launches! And it’s almost like in the movies: “You don’t look there, you look here.” This is nonsense.


        Probably everyone knows the tale about Masha and the Bear. Do not sit on a stump; do not eat a pie; I sit high and look far Here Masha in this case is the SPRN radar
        1. olegyurjewitch
          olegyurjewitch April 29 2012 23: 30
          +1
          Quote: Ascetic
          Probably everyone knows the tale about Masha and the Bear. Don’t get on a stump; don’t eat a pie; I sit high and look far.

          It turns out that NATO in Turkey can deploy and operate a radar missile defense system, whose functions are probably similar to our station, and which also scans the territory of Azerbaijan, why should we not direct the radar towards Turkey? And in general, is such selectivity possible for a system of this type?
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic April 30 2012 09: 32
            +4
            Quote: olegyurjewitch
            And in general, is such selectivity possible for a system of this type?


            Geography only. For example, the Greater Caucasian Ridge protects us from the "Turkish" radar stations. Everything else is profanity. For example, in the early 90s EBN
            pompously announced that all of our ICBMs were not aimed at specific goals, that is, they were on duty at zero security position. How much joy there was for the American inhabitants who happily liquidated stocks in their home shelters. In fact, in order to introduce a real target into the BCVK missiles (changing the PZ from 0, let's say 1), you just need to press three buttons on the control unit's equipment. The only inconvenience was the need to make changes and redo a huge number of documents on combat control, and as a rule manually and in a single copy. In reality, the same profanity turned out as in this case.
  3. crossbow
    crossbow April 29 2012 07: 49
    +9
    Today there are some requirements, tomorrow another, the day after tomorrow the third, it is necessary to build a new or new radar station on the territory of Russia or Armenia. Dependence on another (one might say not quite friendly now) state on such an important issue is simply unacceptable, moreover, it is just economically feasible when such a new rental price Gabala.
    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus April 29 2012 08: 47
      +6
      To build a new similar radar in its territory, you need time and money. In the meantime, both will be found, the direction should be covered. So you have to negotiate with all sorts of grabbers who don’t remember the good.
      1. Omarion
        Omarion April 29 2012 17: 49
        +1
        Quote: lewerlin53rus
        so you have to negotiate with all sorts of grabbers


        So we know how you are about us, here is the result. So say so for more, and eight and the price of oil for the Novorossiysk pipe will be raised.

        Keep thinking.

        Unlike you, we are not saying that we’re redirecting our oil to some kind of grabber.
  4. YARY
    YARY April 29 2012 07: 53
    +9
    In such cases, I always say You can not create objects of defense in a foreign land !!!
    How much is lost by Russia because of this drunk tricked? !! angry
  5. synchrophasatron
    synchrophasatron April 29 2012 07: 54
    +5
    absurd. Why the hell is this station needed? And then, given that the station is sharing information with Azerbaijan, let it follow.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 29 2012 08: 09
      0
      To the synchophasatron! What is the absurdity ?? between Turkey and Azerbaijan there are certain agreements!
      but to me the point is not the point !!
      And I do not believe in this information !!
      1. synchrophasatron
        synchrophasatron April 29 2012 08: 13
        +5
        the absurdity is that this condition robs the station of any meaning,
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay April 29 2012 08: 23
          -6
          Synkhozozotron !! Here I am about it !!
          unrealistic conditions that before this did not monitor the territory of Turkey ???
          why were they silent ??
          Obviously pro-Armenian regnum is being knocked out !!
  6. Pula
    Pula April 29 2012 07: 59
    +10
    Base in Crimea, radar in Azerbaijan, Baikonur in Kazakhstan. Rent does not bring to good - you pay money, and you have new conditions to rip off more.
    Putin went the other way. A new spaceport until 2015, and there you look and build a radar in Sochi, and the Crimea will move ....
  7. SAVA555.IVANOV
    SAVA555.IVANOV April 29 2012 08: 00
    +9
    Stand out "like flies on glass" !!
    New relatives spin Azerbaijan as they want.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 29 2012 08: 11
      -8
      Sava in what they twist ??? and relatives are not new!
      And for the most part it is still unknown who is twisting anyone !!
      1. revnagan
        revnagan April 29 2012 10: 55
        +5
        Quote: Yarbay
        Sava what are they doing ???
        Not what, but what, that’s the question.
      2. SAVA555.IVANOV
        SAVA555.IVANOV April 30 2012 09: 05
        +4
        Yarbay and others To what ultimate goal do you want to bring your country ?? You claim something like that "we are one people with the Turks." Are you not afraid that someday someone will bring a split and eternal conflict into your relations with Turkey and on what rights you will be with the Turks. As Kurds? Will it not work out as in the saying "Gathered and had fun, considered weeping"?
        Turkey itself is a guest on the lands where she is now and sooner or later she will have territorial problems
        1. Azeri2012
          Azeri2012 April 30 2012 11: 20
          0
          Quote: SAVA555.IVANOV
          Yarbay and others. What is the ultimate goal you want to bring your country ??


          to prosperity.

          Quote: SAVA555.IVANOV
          "we are one people with the Turks." Are you not afraid that someday someone will bring a split and eternal conflict into your relations with Turkey and on what rights you will be with the Turks.


          Yes, for centuries they tried, fortunately for us, we always end up being brothers.

          Quote: SAVA555.IVANOV
          Turkey itself is a guest on the lands where she is now and sooner or later she will have territorial problems


          Yes, we are all guests in this world. We don’t take anything to the next world. And so the barking was, is and will be.
          1. Kamila
            Kamila April 30 2012 11: 39
            0
            Quote: Azeri2012
            Yes, we are all guests in this world. We don’t take anything to the next world. And so the barking was, is and will be.


            super said !!! good
  8. 755962
    755962 April 29 2012 08: 02
    +7
    The dual position of Azerbaijan is not so simple at first glance. There is a political game with Israel in relation to Turkey. But trying to look decent, he declares his readiness to leave everything as it is, but (both yours and ours, as they say) "whatever the radar directed against Turkey. "
    1. Cadet787
      Cadet787 April 29 2012 20: 38
      0
      Dear Eugene. I fully support you, what kind of policy Azerbaijan is pursuing today, one can say in the words of the old Russian proverb, "If you wake up praying to all the gods, you will break your forehead."
  9. Yarbay
    Yarbay April 29 2012 08: 04
    -1
    If this is so, then apparently they do not want to renew the contract !!
    1. olegyurjewitch
      olegyurjewitch April 29 2012 23: 38
      +3
      Quote: Yarbay
      If this is so, then apparently they do not want to renew the contract !!

      Turkey is a NATO member, and therefore complies with the united command directives, and of course, the United States put its hands on this issue, directing relations between Turkey and Azerbaijan in the right and beneficial direction.
      1. David
        David April 30 2012 00: 09
        +2
        In fact, this is exactly the news - just an info occasion. Someone misunderstood someone.
        If Azerbaijan had something against directed-non-directed, it would not have given the opportunity to exploit.
        He will sign the RF paper, and will continue to do his job.
        But they are really complex ally.
        Given the deep historical ties with Turkey.
        So for now, we need to sign what we need.
        Keeping the eye "sharp"
        And at the fastest pace we are building our own.
        This station will work for now. Even if we overpay for it.
        We’ll catch up in due time.
        Azerbaijan wants to operate with the categories of the moment, but, as the ancients said: "You think time is passing. Mad people - you are passing through."
  10. synchrophasatron
    synchrophasatron April 29 2012 08: 15
    +3
    I think it’s not worth bothering about this. Azerbaijan does not interfere in the operation of the station. You don’t want to keep an eye on Turkey - well. And who will know whether the station is following Turkey or not? And in return for words, you can knock something out.

    Information from Regnum. Now it’s clear ... as always ...
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 29 2012 08: 26
      +1
      Sinofozotronu !!
      Absolutely right!!
      Kindergarten))))))))))))))) I’m very interested in the mechanism of how to monitor the area and darken Turkey?)))))))))))))) And how to find out whether Turkey is being monitored or not )))))) ???
      Let Russia agree !!)))))
      Rave!!
  11. synchrophasatron
    synchrophasatron April 29 2012 08: 28
    +2
    someone really needs to disrupt this contract. We are waiting for more surprises
    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus April 29 2012 08: 49
      +5
      And you do not know to whom? In my opinion, this is obvious ...
    2. plotnikov561956
      plotnikov561956 April 29 2012 09: 21
      +1
      That and who pays Azerbaijan
      1. Omarion
        Omarion April 29 2012 17: 52
        0
        Quote: plotnikov561956
        That and who pays Azerbaijan

        Nobody pays to Azerbaijan. To this day, everyone is asking for money from Azerbaijan.
      2. Azeri2012
        Azeri2012 April 30 2012 05: 49
        -5
        Quote: plotnikov561956
        That and who pays Azerbaijan


        Azerbaijan is similar to that country to whom it is possible to pay? As far as I know, so far the government of Azerbaijan knows what it pays to everyone.
  12. Yarbay
    Yarbay April 29 2012 08: 36
    -1
    Sophophosotron!
    Someone needs to quarrel everyone !!
    and Armenia wants a piece of the radar))))))))) But it’s not a solid Outpostan without a radar))))))))))))
  13. FTALL
    FTALL April 29 2012 08: 39
    +15
    To send all Azerbaijanis then they themselves will deploy it with their hands in 2 minutes to where Putin will point a finger!
    1. Omarion
      Omarion April 29 2012 17: 52
      0
      Quote: FTALL
      Send all Azerbaijanis

      Well, send, what are you waiting for?
    2. Azeri2012
      Azeri2012 April 30 2012 05: 49
      -3
      Quote: FTALL
      To expel all Azerbaijanis, then they themselves will deploy her hands


      So what are you waiting for? Flag in hand and run
  14. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov April 29 2012 08: 48
    +7
    Tracking station, how does it threaten Turkey? And then Azerbaijan will give guarantees that the pro system that Amers are building in Turkey is not directed against Russia
  15. Prophet Alyosha
    Prophet Alyosha April 29 2012 09: 17
    +4
    Turkey, Israel and Saudi Arabia are the main enemies of Russia in a southerly direction. We will be watching them first of all!
  16. plotnikov561956
    plotnikov561956 April 29 2012 09: 18
    +3
    The theater of the Azerbaijani market is definitely observed! It seems that the retaliatory move is ready or at the stage of decision. And the station should be made by analogy with the new cosmodrome ... We will watch and listen to Putin's new "Munich" speech.
  17. crossbow
    crossbow April 29 2012 09: 31
    +5
    They also say that you can’t catch up with two birds with one stone. Azerbaijan and Gabala manage to chase four, here they’re curtsy towards Turkey, and there’s a bow to the United States, and there’s an elementary desire to simply blame Russia for allied relations and guarantee military defense of Armenia (no need to forget about Karabakh and the territories of Ayzerbajan occupied by Armenia - the solution to this problem is the idee fixe of the leadership of Ayerbadzhan), and here there is an elementary desire to warm your hands due to elementary blackmail.
    1. Omarion
      Omarion April 29 2012 17: 55
      -1
      Quote: crossbow
      an elementary desire to simply blame Russia for allied relations and a guarantee of military defense of Armenia (do not forget about Karabakh and the territories of Ayzerbajan occupied by Armenia - the solution to this problem is the idee fixe of the leadership of Ayzerbajan


      right


      Quote: crossbow
      here is an elementary desire to warm hands due to elementary blackmail.


      Not true! Azerbaijan does not need 300 million. Believe me.
  18. Yarbay
    Yarbay April 29 2012 09: 36
    -7
    Vlad, what is the idee fixe of the leadership of Azerbaijan?
    Why the liberation of the occupied territories if it concerns not Russia for you idee fixe ???
    1. Omarion
      Omarion April 29 2012 18: 00
      -1
      My dear, the government of Azerbaijan is doing everything right.
      They essentially do not even need a radar. They need a presence in our region, at all costs. And we need to be cleaned. We don’t even need 300 mil for this radar.
      Speaking openly, it looks like this. This is the same as keeping Armenians at home. They are the masters of the Armenians. Is there a guarantee that they will not conduct reconnaissance in favor of the Armenians in our territory? No! Indirectly, we help others use intelligence in relation to our brotherly country of Turkey. This is 2.
      3) We will take away the pretext from Russia to invade Azerbaijan. 4. Russia is not interested in solving the Karabakh problem, and then why should they help in anything?
  19. ShOoMok
    ShOoMok April 29 2012 09: 38
    +6
    You ask why this radar is needed if you can build it in Russia itself or somewhere in the mountains of Armenia?
    Firstly, in case of modernization, Gabala will surpass the rest of the radar in its capabilities due to its favorable geographical position.
    Secondly, this station is one of the pillars that contributes to the preservation of political and military influence in this country .. If the treaty is not signed, it will further alienate Russia and Azerbaijan
    1. plotnikov561956
      plotnikov561956 April 29 2012 11: 14
      +5
      Quote: ShOoMok

      You ask why this radar is needed if you can build it in Russia itself or somewhere in the mountains of Armenia?
      Firstly, in case of modernization, Gabala will surpass the rest of the radar in its capabilities due to its favorable geographical position.


      The principle of operation of such radars in no way depends on the geographical location. and terrain., such as the Caucasus, Alps. Tibet. Radar in the Krasnodar Territory will successfully solve all the problems of Gabala

      With a new element base packed in 8 containers and high factory readiness. "Voronezh" simply devalue the issue of overlapping the control zone of the Gabala radar station. 20 years ago, it would have been quite serious
      remember the Kaliningrad radar. the time of its introduction. from the foundation to commissioning
  20. crossbow
    crossbow April 29 2012 09: 53
    +3
    Yarbay,
    By idee fixe, in this case, I mean the option as an "overvalued idea", and not as a paronaidal one. The solution of the problem of the occupied territories is practically impossible without solving the problem of Karabakh (which actually started it all), and solving it peacefully seems to be great Unfortunately, it will not succeed, too much blood has been shed, the wall of alienation between these peoples is too high, there is a situation like Georgia-South Ossetia, Georgia-Abkhazia, while I support the return of the occupied territories to Ayzerbajan absolutely and unconditionally, but only by peaceful means.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 29 2012 10: 01
      0
      Dear Vlad! in principle, territorial integrity and security for any normal leader of the country should be * an overvalued idea * !!
      And so I agree with your thoughts in the last comment !!
      I would also like the issue with the occupied territories to be resolved peacefully, but alas, I doubt it more and more !!!
      1. Cadet787
        Cadet787 April 29 2012 14: 19
        +1
        During our life, the Karabakh conflict will not be resolved peacefully, there are too many contradictions between the two peoples. Initially, it was not necessary to solve it by military means.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay April 29 2012 14: 26
          +1
          George agrees with you, but did not understand the expression * initially it was not necessary to solve it by war * ??
          what was the choice ??
          1. Cadet787
            Cadet787 April 29 2012 15: 35
            0
            There is always a choice; wisdom is not always enough. And there are no winners in ethnic conflicts. Are you military?
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay April 29 2012 15: 47
              +3
              What was the choice for my country ??
              Gorbachev and his clique had a choice !!
              In reserve !!
              and sorry accidentally clicked on the minus !!
              1. Cadet787
                Cadet787 April 29 2012 16: 10
                +1
                This is the whole trouble, we will always find out who shot first and who is to blame. With such a formulation of the question, the parties will never achieve mutual understanding. For progress in relations, you need to sit down at the negotiating table and start with a white sheet, discarding all mutual claims, and not look for someone who will support from the outside, you must not forget that we are once a single Soviet people.
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay April 29 2012 16: 17
                  +2
                  Dear George!
                  You put the question wrong! The question of who first shot for a long time is not standing !!
                  Now there is another question - the liberation of the occupied territories and the return of hundreds of thousands of refugees to these territories!
                  And also the trial of war criminals !!


                  By the way compensated minus four times))))))
                  1. Cadet787
                    Cadet787 April 29 2012 17: 12
                    +2
                    Dear Alibek!
                    As far as I know, Armenians from time immemorial compactly lived in the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh, why the issue of occupation did not arise in Soviet times, how did the Armenians get there? How, for example, did most of the native Russian lands fall into Kazakhstan? And what are we going to fight now? It happened historically. It is necessary to update the vocabulary, where words will not be present: occupied territories, etc. Sit down at the negotiating table and AGREE, there is no other alternative. And no third countries will help you in resolving this issue. Another alternative is mutually shed blood, God forbid. Sincerely.
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay April 29 2012 17: 36
                      -2
                      George You, like many others, just do not know the history of this region and the whole of Transcaucasia, and you probably were not very interested in this issue !!
                      How did the Armenians get there ?? a good question !! In Karabakh, in the village of Maraga, the Armenians themselves built a monument in 1978 in connection with the 150th anniversary of the resettlement of Armenians from Persia to Karabakh, which was later redone and then completely destroyed !! read the reports of the historian Dubrovin Griboedov, you can read the reports of Paskevich about the Armenians and much more !! I can introduce you to your wishes!
                      Here's a question for you, the legal successor of which state was the Armenian SSR? In what century were Armenians a state-forming nation on the territory of the Caucasus and in particular Karabakh ??? in what century were Armenians in the majority and how did this succeed ???
                      How did Yerevan turn out to be the capital of the Armenian SSR ?? How many Azerbaijanis lived in Yerevan before the revolution, until the 60s ?? In general, what nations did they live in ???? !
                      It’s easy for you to say George, you didn’t go through what I went through! Your compatriots have not lived in greenhouse cars for decades, you didn’t take out dead children, you didn’t see the bodies burnt alive !!
                      Negotiations have been going on for 20 years, but in them, as at the beginning, now I don’t believe it and see one way out - military !!
                      And I swear to you that I pray to God that he will give me the opportunity to either perish or conquer !!
                      And I do not want the help of any third country !!
                      with respect!
                      1. David
                        David April 29 2012 17: 44
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                        I know well the history of this region and the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict.
                        Karabakh, like Nakhichevan, are Armenian lands.
                        Say thanks to V.I. Lenin and the decision of the Caucasian Bureau.
                        There is only one way out - to renounce Azerbaijan claims on our land.
                        As for the monument in Maragha, it is your "fighters" who destroyed it during murders and pogroms. Read at least here http://sumgait.info/maraga/maraga-1992.htm
                        And about the greenhouses, children and other costs of the war, so they are not only sitting in you.
                        So "Don't wake up dashingly - while it's quiet."
                      2. Yarbay
                        Yarbay April 29 2012 17: 49
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                        Well, yes, to Lenin, what territory did Armenia have ??
                        what was the territory of musavat Azerbaijan ??
                        You are a pitiful historian because of people like you foolishly walking the Armenian people David !!!

                        I have little patience to discuss with you, especially since you are an ignoramus !!
                        And in Sumgait, Eduard Grigoryan, the same Armenian as you David, slaughtered and raped Armenians !!!





                        Think dear Omar quickly figure it out with you))))) he knows how to ... fuck you)))))))))
                      3. David
                        David April 29 2012 17: 58
                        +2
                        Before Lenin, Azerbaijan had no territory at all.
                        Like Azerbaijan itself.
                        You are the same liar as your fellow tribesmen on this site OMAR, CAMILA and so on.
                        I started everything - so you know, not a shot - but the scientific work of your "plagiarist" Buniyatov.
                        And, by the way, in previous topics, your tribesmen all quoted here three paragraphs from certain mythical books by Z. Balayan and some other Armenian author.
                        So for a week now, neither Omar nor Kamila can present me any links to these books or the books themselves. These books do not exist in nature, they are represented only by "azeragitprop".
                        You are lying and always lying, like here.
                        While Omar-u have to have himself))))))))
                        He is already the 15th nickname on the site. The rest in a dead ban
                      4. Yarbay
                        Yarbay April 29 2012 18: 04
                        -9
                        Go unhappy read some sort of historical non-Armenian book !!
                        Liars in your past kind and your future descendants !!!!!
                        The Musavat ADR did not have a territory ?? Well, well
                        the misfortune is not that you are an ignoramus; the misfortune is that you don’t want to learn!
                      5. David
                        David April 29 2012 18: 13
                        0
                        ADR appeared in 1918.
                        And how long did it last? )))))
                        Do not forget to remember how Nihichevan began a parade of sovereignty in the USSR. Also a republic, and the territory was. Even Northern Cyprus managed to recognize))))))
                        So we love to learn - only teachers are meticulous.
                      6. Yarbay
                        Yarbay April 29 2012 18: 17
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                        Well, you well knew the question David ???!
                        ! 5 minutes ago you claimed that before Lenin Azerbaijan was not a state and Azerbaijan did not have territories !!!! ?? what territory did Armenia have and at the request of whom Azerbaijan transferred Yerevan to Armenia and under what conditions ??
                        So who is the liar ???????
                        and what about Nakhchivan, ??? again the fabrications and myths of Avanesyan ???
                      7. Dok-stavros
                        Dok-stavros April 29 2012 19: 12
                        +1
                        The boundaries of historical Armenia in the encyclopedic source of the XIX century
                        Continuing the theme of the borders of historical Armenia, we offer readers an excerpt from the article “Armenia” contained in the source “Encyclopedic Dictionary Compiled by Russian Scientists and Writers”. Volume V. (St. Petersburg, 1862).

                        “Armenia, in the broad sense, enclosed in ancient times within its borders a country lying between Iberia, Albania and Media from the north and east; Assyria, Mesopotamia, and the Galis River from the south and west, to the south, the borders of Armenia reached Mesopotamia up to 37 N, including the cities of Nisibin, Edessa and Haran (Carrae). The surface of Armenia occupied an area of ​​about 80000 square meters. miles Both Armenian, Latin and Greek geographers divide Armenia into two larger halves. Greater Armenia stretched from the Euphrates to the Caspian Sea; Small Armenia was located west of the Great, enclosing all the lands between Lazika and Cappadocia to the upper reaches of Galis, and was divided into the First, Second and Third Armenia ”(pp. 377-378)



                        From the above passage, a logical conclusion can be made: Armenia occupied territories on both sides of the Araks River, thereby covering a number of areas of the South Caucasus (Artsakh, Syunik, Nakhichevan, Ararat Valley, Sevan basin, etc.). A similar geographical position is reflected in the map “Armenia, Colchis, Iberia, Albania” from the “Atlas of Antique and Classical Geography” by S. Butler (1907). It clearly shows the location of the countries of ancient Transcaucasia and the north-eastern border of Great Armenia, which forms the Kura River. Thus, it includes the Kura and Araks interfluve with the provinces of Orkhisten (Artsakh), Oten (Utik) and Sakasen (Shakashen). In the west, the country extends to the Euphrates River, which separates it from Little Armenia. Also, within the borders of Greater Armenia, the authors of the Encyclopedia localize the ancient cities of the Armenian Mesopotamia region - Edessa, Nisibin and Harran, the most important ancient and medieval centers of the Armenian-Syrian Christian culture.
                        “Armenia contains many lakes, of which they are especially remarkable for their size: Van, Urmia and Sevan” (p. 378).

                        Once again, Lake Sevan is localized in Armenia, which again strongly impacts the concepts of Azerbaijani falsifiers. Note that this passage also destroys the judgment of propagandists from the neighboring republic, according to which the hydronym "Sevan" was not used in various sources until the 1930s.

                        Russian scholars also give a brief description of all 15 Armenian provinces. And although Transcaucasia is of interest to us in this work, we nevertheless believe that many of Armenia’s internal administrative borders are interesting. Here they are, 15 provinces of Armenia, the description of which is given even in the Armenian sources of the IV century.

                        1. High Armenia, now a large part of Erzrum Pashalyk, with cities: Erzrum (Karin, Feodosiopol), Sper, Erznka or Ernz (Arzendzhan), Bayburt (in Armenian: Pakhaberd). Taik, Akhaltsyk uyezd and Cheldyr pashalyk with cities: Akhaltsykh, Artanush, Kulin and others. 3) Gugark (near Page Gogarene), present Somkhetia. 4) Ooty (the ancient Otene), for a long time belonged to the Albanians. Of the cities remarkable: Partav (Barda), Khalkhal, Shamhor, etc. 5) Fourth Armenia, or Tsopk (Sophene) with the cities of Atakh, Kharberd (Harput), Nprkert (Mufargin, Martyriopolis) and others. 6) Turuberan (i.e. entrance to the Taurus) with the Taron region. The cities are remarkable in it: Ashtishat, Mush, Bagesh (Bitlis), etc. 7) Arart, the central province of Armenia, rich in historical places, of which the most remarkable are Kars, Ani, Vagharshapat, Erivan, Artashat, Dvin, Armavir. 8) Vaspurakan, the most extensive of all the provinces of Armenia, now forms part of the Wanskago Pashalyk. Of the cities remarkable: Tavris (Gandzak), Nakhichevan, Julfa, Akulis, Ordubat, Argesh, Van, Vostan, Akhtamar, etc. 9) Syunik (from the Greek. Sune, from Persian Sisadzhan), part of the Russian possessions in the Caucasus, the former Karabakh Khanate with cities: Garni, Yeridzhan (Alinjan). 10) Artsakh or Khachen, Elisavetpol district with cities: Gandzak (Ganja, Elisavetpol), Khache, Amaras, etc. 11) Paytakaran, the easternmost province of ancient Armenia, lay in a valley formed by the confluence of the Kura and Araks and sometimes stretched to the Caspian Sea in Samago. . 12) Agtsznik or Armenian Mesopotamia with cities: Edessa, Nisibin (Mtsbin). 13) Korjayk. 15) Persarmenia, part of Aderbeidzhan, on the shores of Lake Urmia with the cities: Salmas, Ger and others.

                        The above cities of Nakhichevan, Julfa, Ordubat, Erivan, Dvin, Artashat, Ararat and Vagharshapat, Gandzak, Partav, Shamkhor, Khachen and others, localized within the Armenian provinces, are located in Transcaucasia, east of the Akhuryan River (Araks tributary) and on the right the shore of the Kura. At the same time, Azerbaijani "historians" in vain try to "prove" the Turkic historical affiliation of these settlements. Nevertheless, they remained integral parts of political-historical-geographical Armenia throughout all historical periods, which confirms this passage. The same passage refers to the province of Paitakaran as the easternmost region of Great Armenia, despite the efforts of the Azerbaijani side to present it as Albanian. However, as we see, they are not true. The territories up to the Kura River were and remain an integral part of historical Armenia.

                        “Turkish Armenia is divided into 6 pashalyks: Erzurum, Cheldyr, Kars, Bayazid, Van, Diyarbekir. Among the Armenian lands subject to the Turks, it is necessary to rank the lands that formerly constituted Lesser Armenia and Cilicia, the pashalyks of Karamania, Sivas and Atan ”(p. 380).



                        In this paragraph, the borders of Western Armenia are outlined, with territories on both sides of the Euphrates River included in it, both the areas of Greater Armenia (Kars, Karin, Van, Tigranakert), and Lesser Armenia and Cilicia, which, as mentioned above, constitute the Sivas pashalyks , Adana and Karamania. These Armenian administrative-territorial units are marked on the map of Joseph Colton (1855) and allow to determine the borders of Turkish Armenia, the western border of which was the Galis river basin. On this cartographic document we see the designation of two Armenians on both sides of Akhuryan: to the west of this river is designated Turkish Armenia, covering the provinces of Van, Kars and Karin and stretching from the Black Sea in the north to the Kurdistan Mountains in the south. Other Armenian provinces are indicated as separate administrative units: Karamania, Adana, Sivas and Diyarbekir (Tigranakert), whose geographical affiliation with the Ottoman part of Armenia is indicated by the above encyclopedic source. To the east of Akhuryan, the term "Armenia" refers to the territory of Erivan province. It should be noted that the Armenian region was liquidated as early as 1849 and, accordingly, this designation of the Erivan province is a consequence of ethnic and historical-geographical realities.

                        Thus, on the basis of the above facts, we conclude that the historical area of ​​settlement of the Armenian people stretched from Galis to Kura, and this vast area of ​​Central Asia is the homeland of the Armenians, the place where the Armenian ethnic group was formed.
                      8. Azeri2012
                        Azeri2012 April 30 2012 06: 13
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                        Would you still show a map of the holdings of Julius Caesar? and WHAT just laid out Armenia?

                        Here is a map

                      9. Azeri2012
                        Azeri2012 April 30 2012 06: 31
                        -2

                        So that's it.
                        NOW INCREASE
                        I DO NOT SEE SOMETHING IN ANCIENT CARDS OF ARMENIA. THE CARD IS NOT OUR DO NOT WORRY.


                        Adirbeyzhan - I think you understand that this is Azerbaijan?
                      10. Dok-stavros
                        Dok-stavros April 30 2012 10: 28
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                        Historical and geographical borders of the countries and regions of Transcaucasia in European cartography of the XVIII century
                        In recent years, with the criminal hands of Ilham Aliyev, Azerbaijan has published a large number of materials about “Western Azerbaijan”. That is exactly how the president of Azerbaijan has now ordered to name the territory of Armenia, which, according to a new trend in Azerbaijani propaganda, is no less than ... "historical Azerbaijani territory" that the Armenians "captured". In other variations of the same propaganda, the good-natured and naive "Azerbaijanis" in 1918 "graciously presented Yerevan to the Armenians."

                        Everything would be fine if at least some historical sources mentioned this same “Western Azerbaijan”, within which the ancient and medieval centers of the Armenian statehood somehow appeared: Artaksat (Artashat), Armavir, Bagaran, Vagarshapat, Dvin and actually Yerevan.

                        But the truth concerns the Azerbaijani scientists in the last turn, they continue to engage in the work of constructing a big lie, which is accepted with a bang in Azerbaijan and is considered a demonstration of true patriotism. Outside of this artificial panturanist formation, the falsification of the Transcaucasian Turks, despite huge financial investments, is not only unsuccessful, but also perceived with frank mockery. Such an attitude, however, does not become an obstacle for the representatives of the Azerbaijani "scientific elite", who feed on the hands of the leadership of their republic.

                        The campaign to "cover" the history of the never-existent "Western Azerbaijan" dates back to the time of the leadership of the Republic of Heydar Aliyev, under the patronage of which Azerbaijani "scientists" published a "work" entitled "The historical geography of Western Azerbaijan", edited by the notorious Budag Budagova. This work demonstrates, to put it mildly, the exorbitant claims of the Transcaucasian Turks to almost half of Transcaucasia and Iran, as well as parts of Russia and Georgia:

                        “Azerbaijani Turks as a single people formed in the territory, which included land within its borders, from Derbent in the north to Hamadan, Qazvin, Zanjan inclusively in the south. The eastern borders of the Azerbaijani Turkic ethnic massif reached the Caspian Sea, and the western borders included the eastern regions of Georgia and the whole of Armenia. This vast region was also included in the composition of Azerbaijan by medieval geographers. ”

                        At the same time, which is natural, the authors of this pearl forgot to mention those very "medieval geographers" who included "this vast region in Azerbaijan." Perhaps it is worth helping unfortunate scientists, in connection with which we present a fragment of the French map of 1700 "L'Asie", compiled by Guillaume Delisle, a French cartographer and member of the Paris Academy of Sciences.

                        On this map we see that Armenia (Armenie) occupies a vast territory from Arzinga to the mouth of the Kura River inclusively. At the same time, the map clearly shows that the territory of the region is divided between the Ottoman and Kyzylbash (Safavid) empires. The cities of Erivan, Nakhichevan and Ganja are located within the Persian part of Armenia. These settlements are mentioned in the second volume of a XNUMXth-century Russian source, “Collection of Acts Relating to the Review of the History of the Armenian People”. Here are the relevant passages:

                        “Nakhchivan. This city from the most ancient cities of Armenia (...) Nakhchivan, belonging to the Kingdom of Armenia with its District, also called Nakhchivan, was part of the Vaspurakan region ”(p. 255).

                        “A ganzak in the ancient Armenian region of Artsakh exists today and is known among the Turks and Persians under the name Genje or Ganja, among the Russians is Elisavetopol” (p. 269).

                        These evidence fundamentally destroy the false concept of Azerbaijani falsifiers pursuing the goals of territorial claims. As we can see, Armenia occupied territories on both sides of the Kura River and, in addition, Artsakh was precisely the Armenian region, as stated in the above source.

                        Returning to the map, we draw the attention of Azerbaijani propagandists to the location of the Kyzylbash province of Aderbeidzhan, which ... is limited to a small territory in the basin of Lake Urmia and the surrounding areas south of Araks, which does not fit with the claims of the learned elite of the Transcaucasian Turks. There is no Azerbaijan “from Derbent to Hamadan” on the map, as well as all sorts of “western”, “southern”, “northern” and other Azerbaijanis. And the area of ​​the so-called "borschal" on the map of Delil is an integral part of Georgia (Georgie). And for the sake of convincingness, we provide the later English map of 1736 Persia, Caspian Sea, part of Independent Tartary (Persia, the Caspian Sea, part of Independent Tataria), compiled in 1736 by the cartographer, engraver and publisher Herman Mall.



                        Within Eastern Armenia, we see the cities of Erivan, Nakhichevan, Julfa, Etchmiadzin, Beylagan, Ganja and Berdaa. The borders of the Armenian lands reach Kura. Aderbeyjan is again localized on the lands south of Araks and covers the modern Iranian cities of Ardabil, Tabriz, Marand and Maraga. The territory of the so-called "borschalu" is again indicated as part of the Georgian (Kartli-Kakheti) kingdom.

                        Using the above facts, we conclude that a) Azerbaijan could not occupy the lands of Armenia and Georgia or extend to Derbent, because it was located in the Urmia basin; b) Historical Armenia undoubtedly occupied the interfluve of the Kura and Araks; c) "Borchals" - part of Kartli.
                      11. Dok-stavros
                        Dok-stavros April 30 2012 10: 39
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                      12. kNow
                        kNow April 30 2012 07: 33
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                        Quote: Azeri2012
                        map of the holdings of Julius Caesar



                        According to the Armenian logic - these lands - Italy laughing
                      13. Omarion
                        Omarion April 29 2012 18: 17
                        -1
                        Countryman, respect yourself. Its time. I suggest that the Armenians not answer at all. They just need to be cut in turn.

                        Our them there every day already have 3. They are not one of those who will calm down. It’s not like Karabakh, they can’t even give them a gram of land. The limits of their greed do not exist. Did you read that this high hare Anaisa wrote to me? They also want Nakhchivan)))))))))))))))))

                        God need to cut them. We must buy nuclear weapons from Pakistan and wipe them off the face of the earth. They will not calm down otherwise.
                      14. Yarbay
                        Yarbay April 29 2012 18: 21
                        -5
                        Omar, I do not quite support your aggressiveness towards users!
                        But I treat with understanding !!
                        If you do not answer, then the Armenian FALSE turns into the truth for people who are not knowledgeable !!
                        They do not cut, but it is necessary to judge live on the whole world !!!
                      15. Omarion
                        Omarion April 29 2012 18: 28
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                        Quote: Yarbay
                        They can’t be cut, but they must be judged live on the whole world !!


                        Do you think it will help? I do not think so.

                        Quote: Yarbay
                        If you do not answer, then the Armenian FALSE turns into the truth for people who are not knowledgeable !!


                        You still didn’t understand that you didn’t show that the Russians will not betray the Armenians, even if they have 100% proof. There is a Christian factor. Plus, by the hands of Armenians, Russia performs many tasks.

                        But by and large, you know the land who actually stands behind it.
                      16. Yarbay
                        Yarbay April 29 2012 18: 31
                        -5
                        I know Omar !!
                        I know everything perfectly !!
                        I don’t need anyone to betray anyone !!
                        It is enough for me that people know the truth, and what decision they make will be on their conscience!
                        I don’t need someone’s help !!
                      17. David
                        David April 29 2012 19: 50
                        +3
                        Lying never turns into Truth.
                        Otherwise, the Turks would have ruled in Transcaucasia.
                      18. Azeri2012
                        Azeri2012 April 30 2012 06: 16
                        -4
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Omar, I do not quite support your aggressiveness towards users!


                        I'm not stupid and I'm not crazy to just curse like that. How not angry, how to conduct a dialogue after that, when the Armenians say you forget Karabakh, and give us Nakhchivan, then we will become friends.

                        After that, how to deal with them. Knowing that God forbid, even suppose to give them Karabakh and wait for the next massacre in Nakhchivan?

                        For a long time I suggested not discussing them. They are animals. And rabid animals must be destroyed. The Turks knew what they were doing.
                      19. plotnikov561956
                        plotnikov561956 April 30 2012 06: 53
                        +1
                        Quote: Azeri2012
                        Azeri2012 Today, 06:16 new -1 
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Omar, I do not quite support your aggressiveness towards users!

                        I'm not stupid and I'm not crazy to just curse like that. How not angry, how to conduct a dialogue after that, when the Armenians say you forget Karabakh, and give us Nakhchivan, then we will become friends.

                        After that, how to deal with them. Knowing that God forbid, even suppose to give them Karabakh and wait for the next massacre in Nakhchivan?

                        For a long time I suggested not discussing them. They are animals. And rabid animals must be destroyed. The Turks knew what they were doing.


                        Here you are, dear forum users, a concrete solution to the Karabakh issue
                        according to the Turkish script!
                      20. Azeri2012
                        Azeri2012 April 30 2012 07: 32
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                        Quote: plotnikov561956
                        Here you are, dear forum users, a concrete solution to the Karabakh issue
                        according to the Turkish script!

                        and what was the scenario of the Khojaly genocide? where Azerbaijani children and women and the elderly were killed. Why are you dear silent about this?
                        and the massacre on January 19-20, 1990, when the tanks in Baku not only drove through people and cars, but it seemed to them not enough, decided to shoot at the buildings. For peaceful people, and what is the scenario?
                        15 year genocide of Azerbaijanis, and what is the scenario?
                        and in 87 in Armenia when Azerbaijanis were killed, and what is the scenario?


                        Do you know what is most strange in this story? If you were in our place, you certainly wouldn’t have a dialogue.
                      21. kNow
                        kNow April 29 2012 18: 34
                        -1
                        No, no, why are you hysterical?
                      22. Kamila
                        Kamila April 29 2012 21: 10
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                        Quote: David
                        So for a week now, neither Omar nor Camila can provide me with any links


                        Listen, David, I personally do not have to give you anything! I gave links to the book ... if, you, so pleased to think that there are no books .... okay !! it's your right! you have been referring to some kind of chauvinistic rumen for more than a week, and you think that a sensible person, having opened this site and having seen anti-Islamic paraphernalia, will believe what is written there ?! or your links to Melik-Shahnazaryan ... or some other yang ... this is ridiculous! do you believe that ?! only honestly ?! You can continue to believe this further ..!

                        Quote: David
                        You are lying and always lying, like here.


                        you're lying yourself! and your Armenian historians! although some of them admit that they themselves do not know where the Armenians came from !! knowing your love of wikipedia, I even put the info from there, after reading which it becomes completely clear and understandable that there were no Armenians in the Caucasus !!! if Armenia already existed, then in a completely different place! I can provide Armenian sources too !! your Armenian sources, your own historians who recognize the existence of Caucasian Albania .... where further ??!

                        Quote: David
                        He is already the 15th nickname on the site. The rest in a dead ban


                        and you succeed ?? to have so many nicknames ?? unlikely....
                        and he does it! they can’t cope with it! and the toad is strangling you ... (((
                        so who who ... think carefully ... fool
                      23. David
                        David April 29 2012 21: 27
                        0
                        Kindergarten, the right word.
                      24. Azeri2012
                        Azeri2012 April 30 2012 06: 02
                        0
                        Quote: David
                        You are the same liar as your fellow tribesmen on this site OMAR, CAMILA and so on.


                        Listen Hai, to the Armenian lie, we live and live. If we lie units, you have large-scale. One of your false genocide is worth it.

                        Quote: David
                        While Omar-u have to have himself)))

                        sorry I don’t have the authority to post a couple of pictures, I would show you who I have.

                        Quote: David
                        He is already the 15th nickname on the site. The rest in a dead ban

                        and you e .... t? I personally violet whether you change your usernames or not. Why hai the toad crushes?
                      25. kNow
                        kNow April 29 2012 18: 31
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                        greedy, why do you need so much land, you don’t live there anyway, so you write from Russia ...
                      26. Kamila
                        Kamila April 29 2012 21: 20
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                        Quote: David
                        There is only one way out - to renounce Azerbaijan claims on our land.


                        schaa ... wait, just stroke the laces ...

                        Quote: David
                        As for the monument in Maragha, it is your "fighters" who destroyed it during murders and pogroms. Read at least here http://sumgait.info/maraga/maraga-1992.htm


                        lies!!!!!!!!!!!!!! your Armenians admitted that the monument was, and they removed it!
                      27. David
                        David April 29 2012 21: 35
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                        The monument was not just there. It was put by the Armenians, in memory of the fact that they finally returned to their native land.
                        And when your "fighters" took Maraga on April 10, 1992, massacring the civilian population, they destroyed the monument along with the houses.
                        http://sumgait.info/maraga/maraga-cox-1.htm
                        This is an interview with British Baroness Caroline Cox. Just do not raise a howl that she is here and there, an Armenian source. BP - has been working in Azerbaijan for a long time. And the Europeans, unlike you, are responsible for their "bazaar". That is why you fly to The Hague every year with your ridiculous genocide claims.
                      28. Kamila
                        Kamila April 29 2012 22: 02
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                        Quote: David
                        The monument was not just there. It was put by the Armenians, in memory of the fact that they finally returned to their native land.


                        Of course, the Armenians set ... on the 150th anniversary of the resettlement of Armenians from Iran to the KARABAKH KHANA ... and, before that, they didn’t smell there ... !! iii ... they themselves demolished! then, when conversations began that the Armenians were not there, that they were resettled 150 years ago ... that’s where the Armenians demolished the monument! so you write your story, demolish it somewhere, wipe it somewhere, put it somewhere, fake antique .... we’ve got used to it already ... and this is not only what we are saying ....

                        this baroness, sergey’s girlfriend, should not be given as an example ...

                        are responsible for their "bazaar" of course, so every year, more and more countries recognize the Khojaly genocide and demand the liberation of the occupied territories ... can you provide at least one legally recognized internationally document in which Azerbaijan would be called an occupying country? seized foreign territories? can you? no ... so what's the deal?
                      29. David
                        David April 29 2012 22: 53
                        +3
                        You said that your ancestors were related to the Karabakh khans.
                        What is your family name?
                        There was no genocide in Khojaly. This is not the first time the Hague Tribunal has refused you. The problem is that you think that you can achieve something by lying. When you communicate with people of the same level, you start to mistakenly think that everyone around you is like that. And once you find yourself in another society, you start telling your myths. And people don't believe. They are not silent trees and were not born yesterday. And you say "don't believe your eyes - believe my words."
                      30. Azeri2012
                        Azeri2012 April 30 2012 00: 37
                        -1
                        Quote: David
                        What is your family name?


                        This is the ancestor of Camila Khanum.

                        Panah Ali Khan (azerb. Pnah li xan; 1693 - 1763) or Panah Khan - Khan of Karabakh, commander, founder of the Khan dynasty Djevanshirov and the first ruler of the Karabakh Khanate.
                      31. David
                        David April 30 2012 02: 50
                        -1
                        How is the inscription in Armenian on the dagger belonging to Panah Ali Khan explained?
                        Kinjal exhibited in Moscow. If necessary, get confused, go and take a picture.
                        What does this mean?
                        One more question.
                        I come from Zangezur.
                        In a short distance from the house is the Armenian Apostolic Orthodox Church built in 672. What about the Erivan Khanate in 672?
                        If Turks and Persians conquered the Armenians, then Azeri-Turks were not there.
                      32. Kamila
                        Kamila April 30 2012 05: 34
                        0
                        Listen to David, well, think for yourself if you, at least a little literate person .... how can it be that there are practically no Armenians in present-day Armenia, in the 19th and early 20th centuries? but, Azerbaijanis, you want to call them Turks, in Erivan there were almost 90% of the population ?????? Armenians lived in Turkey and Iran, but why weren’t there in Transcaucasia ??????? !!! no need to tell what happened under King Pea! a thousand years ago and so on ... I say 200, 300, 400 years ago ??? why were they not in Transcaucasia ????? yes, because they have never been here !! it is impossible to expel or slaughter people to eradicate completely !! a clear example of Turkey (if we talk about genocide) how many Armenians live there !!
                      33. Kamila
                        Kamila April 30 2012 10: 25
                        0
                        Revisionist Concepts in Armenian Historiography [center] [/ center]

                        Material from Wikipedia - free encyclopediaGo to: navigation, search

                        The revisionist concepts in Armenian historiography [1] are, according to a number of authors, historical constructions designed to prove that the Armenians were the original population of the East of Asia Minor and the Caucasus, used as justification in territorial disputes with neighboring states. A number of foreign [2] [3] and Armenian [4] experts criticize the revisionist concepts of the history of Armenia.

                        Armenian myth of Caucasian Albania

                        According to V. A. Shnirelman, in order to justify territorial disputes with Azerbaijan, Armenian scientists created their myth about Caucasian Albania. He notes that:

                        starting in the second half of the 1960s Armenian scholars and writers consistently created their own myth, which denied any connection between the Albanians, on the one hand, and the Armenians and Azerbaijanis, on the other (see Hewsen, 1982. P. 28-30; Novoseltsev, 1991. P. 198 -199). At the same time, this myth imposed on the Armenians of the Kuro-Araks interfluve and neighboring regions of Azerbaijan the opinion that it was insulting to be considered “Armenized Albanians” (Mnatsakanyan, Sevak, 1967. S. 190; Ulubabyan, 1968). This idea turned out to be in demand and repeatedly sounded in the speeches of Armenians in the late 1980s. (see, for example, Mirzoyan, 1989; Ismailov, 1989, p. 18). [8]

                        According to the same author, by the time the Albanian myth was created Armenian authors changed their strategy and began to abandon the previous approach S. Eremyana, according to which the right bank of the river. Hens became part of Great Armenia only from the XNUMXnd century AD BC e., and the Albanian population living there was Armenized only in the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries. n e. Now they already denied the presence of any Albanian groups on the right bank in the early Middle Ages and argued that this territory was part of the Armenian kingdom since the VI century. BC e. Consequently, the Armenians lived there from ancient times, and the ethnic border, passing along the river. Kure, formed long before the emergence of the Albanian kingdom. [8]

                        The Armenian historian A. Sh. Mnatsakanyan claimed that Caucasian Albania occupied only the territory near the Caspian Sea, and as far as the medieval "Albania" that existed in the western part of the region, around and in Karabakh, it is called "New Albania", which was located under the administration of Persia, where only the historical name remained from the former Albania, and which was completely inhabited by ethnic Armenians. [7] [12] It is also alleged that the territory between Araks and Kura has always been inhabited by ethnic Armenians. According to A. Mnatsakanyan, the territories south of the Kura River between Lake Sevan and Araks belonged to the Armenians from the early times of the formation of the Armenian ethnos, from the 13th century BC. [387] These territories, which passed into the possession of Caucasian Albania in XNUMX AD, are called by Mnatsakanyan “New Albania” to denote the difference from the rest of Albania to the north of Kura, and claims that “New Albania” was the Armenian region in all aspects.

                        V. Shnirelman points to the attempts of some Armenian historians (in particular Bagrat Ulubabyan) to declare the utians Armenians, one of the tribes inhabiting Caucasian Albania. So, Schnirelman notes that contrary to the traditional point of view, which identifies early medieval utias with ethnographic udins, B. Ulubabyan began to argue that the utias were not just very early Armenians, but almost originally were Armenians (??!) (Ulubabyan, 1968; 1970

                        However, as can be seen from the facts presented here, this statement has no foundation, since Armenian and Utian are two completely different languages, belonging to the same different language families (Armenian is Indo-European, and Utian is to the North-East Caucasian) . This unfounded opinion has already been refuted from linguistic and historical points of view ...
                      34. synchrophasatron
                        synchrophasatron April 30 2012 16: 20
                        +1
                        Quote: David
                        inscription in Armenian on a dagger owned by Panah Ali Khan


                        This means that the Armenians were engaged in fawning.

                        On the helmet of Ivan the Terrible there are Arabic inscriptions, and now what, Russia belongs to the Arabs?

                      35. David
                        David April 30 2012 16: 30
                        +1
                        Those. in the time of Panah Ali Khan, were the Armenians in Karabakh already?
                        There above, people say the opposite.
                      36. synchrophasatron
                        synchrophasatron April 30 2012 16: 45
                        +1
                        Quote: David
                        have already been


                        We tried very hard to be laughing because they dragged gifts laughing
                    2. Yarbay
                      Yarbay April 29 2012 17: 47
                      -4
                      and also George!
                      The territory of Azerbaijan, which includes the Karabakh region, is internationally recognized by all countries of the world, including Russia !!
                      1. Cadet787
                        Cadet787 April 29 2012 18: 08
                        +3
                        Dear Alibek and David, this discussion once again proves that you only hear what you want to hear and mutual hostility blinds you. This way you will not achieve anything for your peoples, trouble ....
                      2. Yarbay
                        Yarbay April 29 2012 18: 12
                        -10
                        George with such as David, I do not discuss at all !!
                        because you correctly said that I won’t achieve anything for your people !!
                        Well, if I wait for the order of the commander in chief, then I assure you my people will be pleased with me and they will not be ashamed of me!
                      3. David
                        David April 29 2012 22: 49
                        +3
                        Dear, Cadet787. There are developed "Helsinki principles".
                        According to them, the Armenians must liberate the occupied original Azerbaijani territories. 5 areas.
                        In exchange, the intermediate status of Nagorno-Karabakh should be determined, which will allow the population living there, after the return of Azerbaijani refugees, to determine, through a referendum, with whom they want to be. With Azerbaijan, with Armenia, or on their own.
                        But Azerbaijan must abandon the position of "unambiguous inclusion of Nagorno-Karabakh" into Azerbaijan.
                        Today, we have rebuilt the fortifications, occupied the heights and are waiting. What will happen next? We will not give Nagorno-Karabakh to Azerbaijan.
                        Today, Armenia is in the economic blockade of Turkey and Azerbaijan. For quite some time now. The only open border with Georgia and Iran. Communication with the Russian Federation only through Georgia. and they often fail.
                        And then, try. God grant health, the diaspora also helps.
                        We are historically close friends with the Russian Federation. Orthodox brothers often saved us from Muslim Turks. We are giving Russia the filial debt as we can. Look at the awarded Russian star for Gudermes in 1999.
                        In Armenia, air defense is common with the Russian Federation and Belarus. Military base in Gyumri. Border guards at the borders of Turkey-Armenia Iran-Armenia. Providing intelligence. Have you seen the US Embassy in Yerevan? I have seen. Believe me, the amers dream of Armenia becoming Georgia. But it will not be so.
                        We do not want war. We did not attack Azerbaijan. We made peaceful demands. Karabakh wanted to secede from the Az SSR and become part of the ArmSSR.
                        So there you go. I have been actively commenting on the site since April 2, 2012, because on that day Omar wrote to me that the pogroms of February 1988 in Sumgait were carried out by Armenians against Armenians. I tried to object to him. Then I had the nickname dodil. In response, he received a stream of hatred.
                        I, an Armenian living in the Russian Federation, did not even suspect that on the border of my homeland, where I go every summer, there are people who hate us so much. I even got scared after a huge number of articles about the militarization of Azerbaijan for my relatives. However, later on from the comment of Asket about the line of "Seyran Ohanyan" I calmed down.
                        Now I am joking about "great Azerbaijani chauvinism".
                        So there you go.
                      4. Yarbay
                        Yarbay April 29 2012 23: 30
                        -5
                        Here is the eternal Armenian deportation with elements of long-suffering and as if sabotage devotion)))) !!
                        According to David ** The only open border with Georgia and Iran. ** - just slander))) Georgia and Iran are one state)))
                        The phrase killed - ** With the Russian Federation, we have historically been close friends. ***))))))))))))) Then again comes the misunderstanding of the heroes of 99 in Gudermes))))


                        and they did not attack Azerbaijan, but exclusively conscripts from Armenia fought against us and are now rotting in the trenches opposite us)))) how did they not attack ???
                        they wanted a lot ??? to leave the Azerbaijan SSR !! then they expelled all Azerbaijanis from Armenia!
                        ! when they were expelled, you didn’t want this and didn’t kill anyone ???? and about the Helsinki principles I would have kept silent - Ignoramus !!
                        And in the Helsinki principles nothing unhappy was written about Karabakh)))))) This is a cumbersome document-brake on general principles))) and the first paragraph in Helsinki principles is the territorial integrity and inviolability of the borders of the states that signed it !!)))
                        and this pearl Davidushka is your finish at all
                        **** I was even scared after a huge number of articles on the militarization of Azerbaijan for my relatives. [hide] ****))))))))
                        and then calmed down after hearing about the line that divides the back of Ohanyan?)))))))))

                        and read Davidushka http://www.belvpo.com/9028.html
                        I know again it will be scary, but be patient)))

                        CHEAP!!

                        David -Eduard Grigoryan killed and raped Armenians in Sumgait ???
                        you mock yourself miserable !!
                      5. David
                        David April 30 2012 00: 00
                        +2
                        Yes. Grigoryan, a bastard, three times convicted scum, killed Armenians in Sumgait. For which he sat down. Hopefully somewhere on the shipment I met a normal Armenian kid and he planted him. Like the rest of the Ki, no matter what nationality they are. You killed Armenians in Sumgait, Baku, Shushi, Khojaly. They fired hail on Stepanakert. But all right, war, but pogroms in peacetime. It's too much. Would you like to post here the recollections of a Soviet officer from the Caspian Flotilla about what he saw with his own eyes from January 13 to January 20, 1990 in Baku. What you call "Black January". And crying on the martyrs' alley about people, among whom there could well be those who killed innocent people, simply because they are Armenians. And the Askeran incident, in which an Azeri policeman shot an Azeri.
                        And don’t get confused, Yarbai. You, as a military man, according to your comments, I see that you are an adult, whole person, unlike your possessed lobster tribe. You know for yourself how the fighting took place in 1992-1994. Now we are in your lands. Incidentally, I respect you as an enemy by treating you with concern. After all, bullets really kill. But answer me, how did a country with 8 million people, surpassing 1992 times the ammunition of Armenians by the end of 22, lose the war to a country with a population of 3 million? Finish your arrogant look. Let's really solve the issue. Neither you nor We believe each other. Therefore, peacekeepers are needed. But not Muslims! And the status of Nagorno-Karabakh is not part of Azerbaijan. Return the refugees. Invest in territory development. After a while, stroking how much better the Azerbaijanis live in comparison with the Armenians, they themselves will be asked to you. And after 20-30 years, a referendum with whom to be. And that’s all. The question is killed. And return to the same lands.
                        Why are you joking about the fact that Armenia is friends with the Russian Federation? Why is it loading you. Why do you want to tear the Armenians together with the Turks to shreds? Killing everyone and everything?
                        And you, as a military man, tell me how many good guys the sons of the Azerbaijani land will die in this adventure? How many good guys the sons of the Armenian land will die? Why all this? Why is war necessary? Why are you so straightforward?
                      6. Yarbay
                        Yarbay April 30 2012 00: 37
                        -6
                        David are mistaken nobody Grigoryan put on a knife !!
                        he was given only 10 years! Three of them served in the Stavropol Territory, constantly meeting with Armenians in royal conditions, after which he was
                        transferred to Armenia and freed!
                        I drenched the Armenian fascists, who with arms came to my land wherever I could and will drench it at the first opportunity !!
                        You have already laid out * Soviet * officer 10 times))))))
                        and in Baku there was the same provocation as in Sumgait !! and there I am sure the Armenians led the killings, but this time they were given to leave !!
                        I remember those days very well !!
                        There were internal troops all over Baku and patrolling the streets, and on that day everyone was in the barracks !!
                        I never had and do not have such a habit of hanging out !! I not only know, but also actively participated in the hostilities of 92-94!
                        I answered questions about the reasons for the defeat more than once !! I will answer again! and we did not have 22-fold superiority in ammunition !! On the contrary, at first there weren’t even machine guns, while yours were well trained and equipped!
                        I personally captured Armenian officers who served in the 7th Russian army! some of the Russian units were half manned by Armenians and constantly drove the equipment there! Great support for the Russian aviation was, during the Kalbajar operation, Russian aviation made 10-15 sorties per day from Armenia to our position !! and provided comprehensive assistance! and it was politics, I understand!
                        Your fascists have been preparing for a long time, we were not ready !!
                        We as such did not have an army! Intelligence subversive services worked well against us on a professional level, and we did not have military counterintelligence!
                        No peacekeepers until the liberation of the territories !!
                        and forget about the status of Nagorno-Karabakh outside Azerbaijan is not only my opinion, this is the opinion of our leadership!
                        We will invest in the development of territories after liberation!
                        I personally don’t joke over who Armenia is friends with! It does not load me!
                        Who do you want to be friends with, now Azerbaijan is not the same as in 90 years !!
                        I’m not only wanting Armenian fascists, but I’ll tear to shreds as soon as possible! We will bring to court those whom we manage to arrest !!
                        I swear by Allah not for a second without hesitation I will give my life for the sake of victory and for my country!
                        Yes, good guys will die for all the will of the Almighty, but our generation must free the land, if we leave it to their descendants, they will not forgive us !!
                        But we will burn out Armenian fascism with hot iron!
                      7. David
                        David April 30 2012 02: 14
                        0
                        Oh, Yarbai, Yarbai.
                        My father is in charge !!!! partner - Arthur Mammadov.
                        And you say.
                        Russian helicopters flew. There is no bazaar in 1992.
                        And the 4th army in Azerbaijan.
                        And Operation Ring?
                        Why forget about the status of Nagorno-Karabakh?
                        What about the Armenians who are there?
                        Get out?
                        Yarbai. The scenario that is on the agenda - Nagorno-Karabakh and Armenia are not on the map, but this is not real. In our time, only those who "know in advance that they won" can afford to attack. You are not yet sure, and will not be. It is not possible.
                        If only "the melodies of other people's tambourines" did not start playing at the wrong time.
                      8. Kamila
                        Kamila April 30 2012 09: 57
                        +1
                        Quote: David
                        partner - Arthur Mammadov.


                        mom is Armenian ?? does this Arthur have?
                      9. Kamila
                        Kamila April 30 2012 11: 12
                        +2
                        Babaev, Rahim Vagif oglu 1970 Student of the Azerbaijan Institute of Oil and Chemistry named after M. Azizbekova
                        Babaev, Fuad Yaver oglu 1967 3rd year student of the Azerbaijan Civil Engineering Institute After hearing the shooting and going out into the street, along with other alarmed people, he went to 11th Red Army Square to help the wounded. He was shot dead along the way.
                        Bagirov, Baloglan Habib oglu 1966 The veterinarian was shot and crushed by a Soviet tank on January 22 upon returning home.
                        [b] Bagirov, Telman Melik oglu 1960 Junior police sergeant Shot by Soviet soldiers.
                        Badalov, Rovshan Seyfulla oglu 1965 Being on a motorcycle on January 26, on which he followed from the village of Khoftomi to the village of Kirov, Lankaran region, he was shot dead by the Soviet military and then burned.
                        Bayramov, Isabala Ali oglu 1967 The worker was mortally wounded in the head in the first minutes of the entry of Soviet troops into the 11th Red Army Square

                        Bakhshaliev, Elchin Mirza oglu 1965 Driver Shot When Helping The Wounded.
                        Bakhshiyev, Salman Babahan oglu
                        Bessantina, Vera Lvovna
                        Bogdanov, Valery Zakirovich
                        Bunyadzade, Ulvi Yusif oglu
                        Hajiyev, Mubariz Magomed oglu
                        Gaibov, Alesker Yusif oglu
                        Gamzaev, Balaguseyn Mirgazab oglu
                        Hamidov, Izzet Atakishi oglu
                        Ganiev, Mirza Rzabala oglu
                        Garayev, Ilgar Ali oglu
                        Hasanov, Ali Khudaverdi
                        Hasanov, Mehman Ibrahim oglu
                        Hasanov, Muzaffar Gazanfar oglu
                        Hasanov, Sahib Nasib oglu
                        Gasimov, Abbas Shamed oglu
                        Gasimov, Yusif Ibrahim oglu
                        Hashimov, Israfil Agababa oglu
                        Geibullaev, Elchin Suyaddin oglu
                        Gojamanov, Aliyusif Bilal oglu
                        Huseynov, Alimardan Abil oglu
                        Huseynov, Nariman Veli oglu
                        Huseynov, Rahib Mammad oglu
                        Javanshirov, Ilkin Zulgadar oglu
                        Jafarov, Abulfaz Beyukaga oglu
                        Durdyev, Anageldi
                        Efimov, Boris Vasilievich
                        Zulalov, Isfandiyar Adil oglu
                        Ibragimov, Ibrahim Ismail oglu
                        Ibragimov, Ilgar Rashid oglu
                        Imanov, Elchin Beidulla oglu
                        Isaev, Mushvik Agaali oglu 1968 Brother of the world freestyle wrestling champion - Khazar Isaev [3]
                        Isaev, Rauf Soltanmejid oglu
                        Isaev, Fakhraddin Khudu oglu
                        Ismayilov, Javad Younis oglu
                        Ismayilov, Mammadali Novruz oglu
                        Ismayilov, Rashid Islam oglu
                        Ismayilov, Tofig Babahan oglu
                        Israfilov, Aganazar Araz oglu
                        Karimov, Alexander Ramazan oglu
                        Karimov, Ilgar Isa oglu
                        Karimov, Oktay Eyvaz oglu
                        Kuliev, Sahavet Balay oglu
                        Kyazimov, Aflatun Gashym oglu
                        Mamedova, Larisa Farman kyzy 1977 A student of the 7th grade Died from a gunshot wound in the heart during shelling of a bus.
                        Mamedova, Svetlana Hamid kyzy 1939 Professor, Doctor of Chemistry, author of 110 scientific papers, more than 40 inventions Following January 24, working on a Zhiguli car to work in Sumgayit with professors Ismail Mursagulov and Ibrahim Ibragimov, they stopped at the curb, after which a military armored car drove into them.
                        Mammadov, Vagif Magomed oglu
                        Mammadov, Vidadi Uzeyir oglu
                        Mammadov, Ibish Behbud oglu
                        Mammadov, Kamal Seydgurban oglu
                        Mammadov, Mammad Yarmamed oglu
                        Mammadov, Mehman Sahibali oglu
                        Mammadov, Rahim Magomed oglu
                        Mammadov, Sahavet Heydar oglu
                        Mammadov, Shahin Zahid oglu
                        Mammadov, Eldar Zeynal oglu
                        Markhevka, Alexander V.ambulance
                        Meerovich, Yan Maksimovich 02.12.1955/XNUMX/XNUMX Businessman Entrepreneur He was brutally murdered at night from January 19 to 20. I went with a friend Mirzoyev Elchin to the airport, drove a neighbor. 22 bullets were found in the body.

                        Mirzoev, Azad Aligeydar oglu
                        Mirzoev, Vagif Samed oglu
                        Mirzoev, Elchin Huseyngulu oglu
                        Movludov, Fuad Farhad oglu
                        Muradov, Mehman Asad oglu
                        Mursagulov, Ismail Hasan oglu
                        Musaev, Tofig Ayvaz oglu
                        Mustafayev, Mahir Vagif oglu
                        Mukhtarov, Rasim Mustafa oglu
                        Nasibov, Allahyar Iskender oglu
                        Nasibov, January Shirali oglu
                        Nikolaenko, Alla Alekseevna
                        Nishchenko, Andrei Alexandrovich
                        Novruzbeyli, Aghabek Oktay oglu [4] 1971 Second-year student of the Azerbaijan Institute of Oil and Chemistry (now the Azerbaijan State Oil Academy) committed suicide in protest against the entry of troops of the Soviet army in Baku and the inaction of the local puppet government
                        Nuriev, Zahir Zabi oglu
                        Orujov, Shamsaddin Abilgasan oglu
                        Poladi, Saleh Aligulu oglu
                        Rakhmanov, Islam Oktay oglu
                        Rzayev, Azad Allahverdi oglu
                        Rustamov, Rovshan Mammad oglu
                        Sadigov, Yusif Allahverdi oglu
                        Salaev, Sevda Mammadaga kizi
                        Salakhov, Sherafeddin Muzaffar oglu
                        Semenov, Alexander Vladimirovich
                        Safarov, Bafadar Agamirza oglu
                        Tokarev, Vladimir Ivanovich
                        Turabov, Tengiz Mammad oglu
                        Tuktamyshev, Fergat Sharifullaevich
                        Hammedov, Baba Magomed oglu
                        Khanmamedov, Jabrayil Huseynkhan oglu
                        Kharitonov, Vladimir Alexandrovich
                        Sharifov, Murvat Rahim oglu
                        Eminov, Vafadar Osman oglu
                        Yusupov, Oleg Kerimovich
                        Yagubov, Nusrat Ismail oglu
                        unknown
                      10. Argentum
                        Argentum April 30 2012 13: 38
                        +3
                        Mdaa again went stuffing g * vna by Azerbaijanis.
                      11. Azeri2012
                        Azeri2012 April 30 2012 14: 44
                        -1
                        Quote: Argentum
                        Mdaa again went stuffing g * vna by Azerbaijanis.


                        Yes, there’s enough of any g * vna. For every taste and color. Even the production is different. The choice is huge. Do not rush.
                      12. Kamila
                        Kamila April 30 2012 15: 11
                        0
                        Quote: Argentum

                        Mdaa went throwing again


                        and how much emission from you saw !!! and how old is !! we can afford it .... you owe it to us, if you also put it on the counter ... oh (((
                      13. Yarbay
                        Yarbay April 30 2012 17: 38
                        -3
                        Davidushka!
                        Yarbay is my title and I really like it when you write sadly-Eh Yarbai, Yarbai!
                        I look forward to the day when you and your kind will see what they are capable of
                        our soldiers!
                        and then you remember me with these words))))))
                        about the 4th army, do not tell me tales))) but in the operation * ring * riot police and police participated! yes there was a division of the internal troops, but carried out the external cordon of those two villages !!
                        There were gangsters, armed and neutralized !!
                        The local population expressed a desire to go to Armenia; they were co-supported by the Soviet units of the internal troops !!
                        at that time in the year 91 there was still Soviet power !!!

                        what does the status of Nagorno-Karabakh have to do with ??? We will keep the status, there are no problems !! Autonomy within Azerbaijan is possible with broad powers!
                        What scenario are you talking about ??
                        As for the confidence and liberation of the territory, live the tales of the Armhuestan propaganda !!
                        Time will tell!
                        The only reason that you and those like them are still vomiting about invincibility, and not crying about the long-suffering of your people, is Russia's policy! But this is all fixable))
                        As for Arthur Mammadov, what can I say among us there are people who have business with the Armenians, are friends, drink !!
                        Every family has its black sheep!!
                        I knew and grew up with many Armenians, but I will never have anything to do with them!
                        Selling, meanness and bestial cruelty of the Armenians in the blood at the genetic level!

                        The memory of the dead and the martyrs of my people is dearer to me !!
                      14. David
                        David April 30 2012 17: 47
                        +1
                        "The local population expressed a desire to go to Armenia"
                        Top Azerbaijani hypocrisy
                        Is it the same Soviet power that was in Baku in 1990?
                        You want to tell me that in the offensive of 1992 all your fur-waters were Azerbaijanis?
                        Lying.
                        Suret Huseynov - your great military commander - read here "Not my war" by Oleg Mironov.
                        And you, Yarbai, wait. Wait and wait.
                        But you will die earlier.
                      15. Yarbay
                        Yarbay April 30 2012 18: 02
                        -3
                        Davidushka))) ** The local population expressed a desire to go to Armenia "
                        Top Azerbaijani hypocrisy **

                        Present it to your Armenian fascists who brewed this mess and Gorbachev !!
                        this is the top of Armenian lycimerism, when in 1988 and 89 they expelled hundreds of thousands of Azerbaijanis and killing 149 people, generally speaking about lycimeria !!
                        did you see our fur drivers in '92 ?? write again propaganda nonsense!
                        Suret Huseynov is a former factory director, not a military commander !!
                        Of course I'm waiting))
                        And first you died like a dog, you and your kind and all your descendants !!!
                      16. David
                        David April 30 2012 18: 25
                        0
                        Did you see the Azerbaijani fur-vans in 1992? )))
                        And what do you say there about the 4th army?
                        Didn’t you get her warehouses?
                        You have all the military leaders - former directors or teachers.
                        Of course you wait. What do you have to do?
                        So life will pass))) In anticipation
                        tea is not a boy
                      17. Yarbay
                        Yarbay April 30 2012 21: 02
                        -3
                        Davidushka)))) the main thing is you don’t crap one's pants ahead of time)))))

                        you get scared, scared, when you find out the news from Azerbaijan))
                        and the day of reckoning ** close-close **, as you like to write))
                      18. David
                        David April 30 2012 21: 11
                        0
                        Sorry you can't hold out
                        I would be glad
                        But also a plus - you won’t have to cry)))
                        Hey, mullah, will you let the Lezghins in the front ranks again?
                      19. Azeri2012
                        Azeri2012 April 30 2012 22: 13
                        0
                        Quote: David
                        Hey, mullah, will you let the Lezghins in the front ranks again?


                        Armenian insidiousness. Your cheap options will not work. What do lezgins mean? Everyone will be at the forefront. All citizens of Azerbaijan.

                        Forgive our country is not such a mono country as Armenia, which in real life expel everyone and the network writes what good slaves they are.
                      20. David
                        David April 30 2012 23: 02
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                        You see how the zinc goes
                        Who will be at the forefront
                        citizen of Azerbaijan))
                      21. Azeri2012
                        Azeri2012 April 30 2012 23: 06
                        0
                        Quote: David
                        You see how the zinc goes
                        Who will be at the forefront
                        citizen of Azerbaijan))


                        David, what you write is nonsense. From your words, it turns out that if there is a war between Russia and Poland, then the Chechens will be in the rear, the Russians on the front line, others behind, right? Your cunning is pathetic. If you don’t know, then I’ll tell you, the Lezghins in the Azerbaijani Army have good posts. And what you are trying to do is low. Although you do not get used as your fellow tribesmen. I’m sure if Lezghin were here, he would send you about grandfathers.
                      22. David
                        David April 30 2012 23: 09
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                        You do not whit in the clouds
                      23. Azeri2012
                        Azeri2012 April 30 2012 23: 24
                        0
                        here is a map for you.

                        If they allow me, I promise, to build such a monument on the border of Karabakh and Armenia .... there will be words, you will not see Karabakh as Andronic did not see his right ear

                      24. David
                        David April 30 2012 23: 26
                        -2
                        you will not be allowed))
                      25. Kamila
                        Kamila April 30 2012 11: 09
                        -1
                        Quote: David
                        And crying in the alley of martyrs about people, among whom there could very well be those who killed innocent people


                        List of victims of the Black January tragedy [edit] Wikipedia article - free encyclopediaCurrent version (not tested)
                        Jump to: navigation, search This list shows the victims of the Black January tragedy, most of whom died on January 20, 1990. All those killed during the operation of the Soviet troops in the capital of the Azerbaijan SSR were buried in the Alley of Martyrs. Several persons were missing or were buried in other places (they are marked with a *).




                        [edit] ListShahid name Date of birth Profession Cause of death
                        Allahverdiyev, Ilham Azhdar oglu 1962 Shipyard worker Shot.
                        Allahverdiyev, Nariman Amir oglu 1939 Janitor Died as a result of emotional turmoil.
                        [b] Allahverdiyev, Fariza Choban kyzy 1970 The student committed suicide without suffering the death of her husband.

                        Abbasova, Farida Nariman kyzy 1952 Shot on the balcony of his house.
                        Abbasov, Zohrab Heydaraly oglu [1] 1970 Brutally beaten on the square of the 11th Red Army.

                        Abbasov, Sabir Rzugulu oglu [2] 1968 A worker at Bina Airport Shot, died in a hospital.
                        Abduev, Tariel Oruj oglu 1949 Worker Killed in the area of ​​the 11th Red Army. The car that drove him to the hospital came under fire and rolled over.
                        Abdullaev, Zahid Abdulla oglu 1959 Worker shot in the head while shelling a bus
                        Abdullaev, Tariel Hadzhibala oglu 1965 Worker, member of the Popular Front Arrested in Lankaran. When sent to Baku, it is strangled by the military in a helicopter.

                        Abdullaev, Eyyub Mahmud oglu 1967 Worker Killed in the hotel "Nakhichevan".
                        Abilgasanov, Ilgar Yusif oglu 1967 Police sergeant Was stopped on the street to present documents. He was shot, reaching for documents.
                        Abulfatov, Mirjamal Mirsaleh ogly 1958 He came out to the noise of shooting, helped the wounded, and was wounded. He died on the way to the hospital.
                        Agaverdiev, Aslan Alikram oglu 1952 The seller died of numerous injuries in the abdominal cavity.

                        Agaguseynov, Agagasan Yary oglu 1957 Worker was shot trying to help the wounded
                        Agaguseynov, Nureddin Aslan oglu 1951 The cook is shot in his own car when he returns home.
                        Azizov, Gabil Komunar oglu 1968 Student of Azerbaijan Economic Institute
                        Aleskerov, Zaur Rasim oglu 1969 Shot in the back on the 11th Red Army Square
                        Alekperov, Azerbaijani Nasib oglu 1967 Student of the directing faculty of Azerbaijan State University of Arts
                        Aliev, Aruz Ahmedali oglu Died during shelling by military patrols, driving along Moskovsky Prospekt
                        Aliyev, Bayram Madat oglu 1950 The foreman Died of a gunshot wound, blunt weapon injuries, fractures and damage to internal organs and ribs.
                        Aliyev, Zabulla Kheyrulla oglu 1946 The driver is shot in the head on the square of the 11th Red Army.
                        Aliyev, Zahid Bayram oglu 1963 Killed as a result of receiving three bullet wounds.
                        Aliyev, Rustam Shahvelyad oglu 1965 Bus driver Having blocked machine-gun fire with a bus, he opened the door for the wounded. One of the bullets seriously injured Rustam. Despite the injury, at high speed he managed to bring this bus to the hospital, where he died.
                        Aliyev, Namik Kamal oglu 1965 Cook
                        Aliyev, Khalgan Yusif oglu 1969 Carpenter Shot in front of the factory where he worked.
                        Aliyev, Chingiz Mirzaguseyn oglu 1963 He died of his wounds in 1994.
                        Alizadeh, Faik Abdulguseyn oglu 1953 A worker is shot dead at the Ganjlik metro station. He died in the hospital.
                        Alimov, Ramis Harisovich 1958 Locksmith went to the balcony and, having heard the shooting on the street and calls for help, went down to help, and was killed.
                        Allahverdiyev, Ruslan Kamal oglu 1957 Shot in the back, moved by a tank.
                        Almamedov, Teymur Yahya oglu 1972 A student at a medical institute was wounded in the head on January 23, and died in a hospital.
                        Asadullaev, Asif Kamil oglu 1952 Engineer Shot by Soviet troops entering the city.
                        Askerov, Novruz Faik oglu 1968 He worked in a construction cooperative. Hearing that there were dead civilians in the city, he went with a friend to the Mashadi Azizbekov metro station, where he was mortally wounded in the head.
                        Atakishiev, Bahruz Tofig oglu 1961 The worker was wounded at the Ganjlik metro station when he left after hearing the shooting.
                        Atakishiev, Shakir Handadash oglu 1960 Locksmith Shot from a passing tank when returning home.
                        Akhmedov, Ilgar Gummet oglu 1965 Student of Azerbaijan Polytechnic Institute He received a gunshot wound in the eye when he and his friends loaded dead and wounded into cars and sent them to hospitals.
                        Ashrafov, Rahman Ismikhan oglu 1955 Ambulance driver. Wounded when he transported the wounded on the way to the hospital. He died three days later in a neurosurgical hospital.
                        Babaev, Alovsat Gaydayat oglu 1948 Missing.
                        Babaeva, Suraya Latif kyzy 1913 Killed on January 22 when shelling the building in which she was from passing tanks and armored vehicles
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                      26. David
                        David April 30 2012 11: 33
                        0
                        http://alerozin.narod.ru/Baku1990.htm
                        Many Armenian families found refuge in military units, in particular, in the Museum of Military Glory and other rooms of the 295th motorized rifle three times the order-bearing Kherson division, stationed in Baku. It is parts of this division that will become a little later the main arena of the so-called “Baku events”.

                        The sailors of the flotilla, as well as they could, tried to help, protect the victims. Alexander Safarov recalled: “Having passed the money to my mother, I went to the parents of my old friend.

                        A friend himself lived in Moscow for a long time, and his parents and daughter remained in Baku. And they were, alas, Armenians.

                        So I went to warn them of the danger and advise them to leave at least temporarily.

                        A friend's father, a retired lieutenant colonel of the railway troops, an honored engineer of the republic, who was awarded the Order of Honor for the construction of most of the railways in the republic, did not believe that he could be killed in his native country only for his nationality. There I found my daughter's friend, he was recently hit by a car, his leg was in a cast, and he was lying down with them. Oleg, that was his name, was engaged in video salons. There was such a business then. He was skeptical about my advice to leave, began to assure them that they were not in danger, that all his business partners - Azerbaijanis, would cover it up if necessary, since he is in charge of them, and, besides, he is half Jewish, and Azerbaijanis consider Jews their own. He had just presented his arguments when the phone rang. Georgy Yakovlevich answered the receiver, listened in silence, turned pale and said:

                        - Balayanov smash! Bela was beaten, her son was taken away somewhere, and her daughter is dragged by the hair in the yard. So now they will come to us.

                        Balayans are the family of his friend and colleague, who had already died by then.

                        I suggested that they immediately come to us, the Russians had not yet been touched, and my mother could be mistaken for an Armenian unless she was blind. But seventy-year-old people were so confused that they were completely unable to walk two blocks to my house. The second phone call was already touching me.

                        My mother said that they had called from the unit, a "combat alert" was declared at the flotilla, and I had to immediately arrive on the ship, and my midshipman also called and said that he would pick me up.

                        I couldn’t leave right away, I had to wait until the friends called by Oleg arrived, and making sure that my friend’s family was engaged, I went home.

                        I still managed to change clothes while the midshipman arrived in his car.

                        Along the way, we saw how the pogroms, groups of young armed Azerbaijanis in numbers of twenty to thirty, broke into the apartments of the Armenians, brutally killed the owners, regardless of age and gender, and then proceeded to robbery.

                        Enthusiastic neighbors of the victims joined them, immediately seizing the vacated apartment, they fought among themselves, not sharing anything from the loot.

                        The corpses were thrown out the windows, and on the street they continued to mock them. Women and boys, before being killed, were raped in turn in front of everyone. The children did not lag behind the adults, dragging everything they could carry away, to the approving cries of their parents.

                        On the square of "Ukraine" about forty of these animals raped a 15-year-old Armenian woman, replacing each other with the enthusiastic hooting of their own women and children.

                        On Kamo Street, a girl of about ten was crucified on a balcony lattice, she hung there until the troops entered, And near the Shafag cinema, children were burned alive at the stake.

                        And we were inactive.

                        People ran to us for help, and the command of the flotilla gave only one order: "Wait for the command!"

                        True, people were allowed into the flotilla territory, but I'm not sure that this was done with the knowledge of the command.

                        With the start of the pogroms, the first attack on the military occurred.

                        A dozen locals captured a kindergarten, in which there were many officers' children. Then they said that they were going to hide behind children if the military began to act, or change them to weapons. One of the teachers managed to jump out into the street, and inform a group of officers who were hurrying to the unit on alarm. The guys did not wait for the decision of the command, and rushed to the rescue. Everything was done so swiftly that these were bewildered and disarmed with their bare hands.

                        The next day, a crowd of about five thousand individuals approached the flotilla territory.

                        The ships were ordered to organize defense.

                        A very reasonable order, given that no one had weapons.

                        “What are we going to do?” Asked the commander of the Investigative Committee, who was under repair, who had come running to me. “Can you get me out of the harbor?” (the repairing ship is devoid of progress, ammunition, fuel, and generally does not work much for him).

                        “I can only pull it away from the wall, and the two of us will not fit in the canal.” Deploy guns at the gates of the plant. They will go from there. Let's try to take it in fright.

                        The watchdog’s guns were deployed manually, and we chopped the shore supply cable with pieces, we got good batons.

                        “We survived!” One of the sailors stated, “The fleet was going to fight with clubs.

                        “There is nothing to be done, we will fight back to the last!” I tried to encourage the subordinates, “You cannot fall into their hands alive, they will cut belts from the back.” In extreme cases, we’ll try to go to sea if they haven’t blocked the fairway.

                        They equipped false machine-gun nests ... in general, they created a formidable look.

                        Fortunately, the fight did not reach. It didn’t even occur to these donkeys that our own command had disarmed us in advance, and I don’t want to take the whole ship, loaded to the eyeballs with small arms, as they specially framed them.

                        So they did not dare to storm us, stopped on the approaches, drove the gas tankers to residential buildings, and, threatening to burn them with people, started negotiations, at the same time engaged in a safer job than hassling with troops - throwing babies out of the hospital’s windows. Krupskaya. "
                      27. kNow
                        kNow April 30 2012 07: 52
                        -3
                        Quote: David
                        There are developed "Helsinki principles".


                        What, again about the "principles"? laughing dodged as he could

                        Quote: David
                        We will not give Nagorno-Karabakh to Azerbaijan


                        Take it yourself

                        Quote: David
                        We are historically close friends with the Russian Federation. Orthodox brothers often saved us from Muslim Turks


                        The trial in the Supreme Court of the USSR took place from January 16 to January 20, 1979. The trial was almost closed.
                        A video of the defendants' appearances during the trial has been preserved.
                        One of Zatikyan’s statements in court:
                        I have repeatedly stated that I renounce your trial and do not need any defenders. I myself am the prosecutor, not the defendant. You have no power to judge me, since the liquid Russian empire is not a rule of law state! It must be firmly remembered.
                        So be Russia to blame for the Armenian troubles!

                        Quote: David
                        We did not attack Azerbaijan


                        You are arrogant fellow. Look at the map

                        Quote: David
                        In response, he received just a stream of hatred.


                        Easy to get off

                        Quote: David
                        I am an Armenian living in the Russian Federation


                        It's easier and safer to love your homeland from afar laughing Soon the whole of Armenia will move to Russia, why do you need so much land?


                        Quote: David
                        there are people who hate us so much. I was even scared after a huge number of articles on the militarization of Azerbaijan for my relatives.


                        We, too, were afraid for our relatives, mourned the dead. But they don’t intend to leave the problem to their children.

                        Quote: David
                        Now I am joking about "great Azerbaijani chauvinism".


                        Azerbaijanis are sincere, maybe quick-tempered - but they say what I think, and not what is expected of them. And in *** they don’t crawl like some smaller brothers (We pay the Russian Federation a filial debt, as we can.)
                      28. Dok-stavros
                        Dok-stavros April 30 2012 10: 45
                        +2
                        Here is the correct map.
                      29. kNow
                        kNow April 30 2012 10: 50
                        -3
                        Still living in the ancient world embracing old maps? Oh well...
                        Now is 2012 and the whole world - COUNTING AND ARMENIA - consider these lands to be Azerbaijan, which is enshrined in all international documents.
                        And as you were a bargaining chip in the struggle for the Caucasus, you have remained ...
                      30. Kamila
                        Kamila April 30 2012 10: 34
                        -1
                        At the peak of the public popularity of revisionist concepts, in 1989-1990, the academic “Historical and Philological Journal” regularly published articles by leading Armenian scholars directed against revisionists [1]. So, academicians of the Academy of Sciences of Armenia B.N. Arakelyan, G.B. Dzhaukyan and G.Kh. Sargsyan wrote that they “They resolutely reject the anti-scientific thesis that the Urartian language and the Urartian state did not exist, and that the Urartians are the same Armenians. These provisions, grossly distorting historical reality, have been spreading in recent years, in particular, in the public press of our republic by a number of amateurs who are not specialists in this field of historical science. ”[4]

                        Ashot Melkonyan, Doctor of Historical Sciences, Director of the Institute of History of NAS RA, characterized the books of one of the most famous revisionists, geologist Suren Ayvazyan, as “Compromising the Armenian people” [30]. According to publicists: “Not a single sane historian, ethnologist and culturologist in Armenia takes S. Ayvazyan’s opus seriously. Unfortunately, Ayvazyan and similar “historians” in patriotic ecstasy do not understand the provocative danger of their, in their opinion, extremely useful historical works ”


                        Revisionists thought that in the late 1980s. a good moment has come to clear a place for you in Armenian historical science. To do this, they made every possible use of the upcoming radical political changes, actively participated in the Armenian national movement and in the struggle for Nagorno-Karabakh. Their works were published in popular magazines that focused on the new anti-Soviet government of Armenia (for more information, see §§1Oipap, 1994. P. 51-52). Meanwhile, the academic “Historical and Philological Journal” in 1989-1990. regularly published articles by leading Armenian scholars directed against revisionists (Arakelyan, 1989; Sargsyan, 1990). In particular, Armenian archaeologists criticized Ishkhanyan for a simplified approach to the ethnogenesis of the Armenian people, which completely ignored archaeological data.

                        In particular, they wrote that the problem of localization of the ancestral home of Indo-Europeans not yet decided and that there is no reason to ascribe to the most ancient Akkadians knowledge about the Armenians, which then and in the world did not exist (Arakelyan, Dzhaukyan, Sargsyan, 1987). At the same time, without abandoning these arguments, in their book they finally confirmed their authority as Hayas’s participation in the ethnogenesis of Armenians. Agreeing to consider Urartu the first known state on the Armenian Highlands and speaking about the heterogeneity of its population,nor emphasized the effective assimilation role of the Armenians, who were able to Armenize all the inhabitants of Urartu by the end of its existence

                        Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
                      31. Azeri2012
                        Azeri2012 April 30 2012 11: 38
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                        Kama khanum, believe me, is useless. Show them the documents of the Armenians, contrary to their interests, they will say he is lying.
                        Not for nothing they say about the Armenians that their greed is fastidious and that deception deserves contempt and pity for them.
                        The main thing is that we need our children, for any outcome with the Armenians, to convey this text.
                        I will punish my children and grandchildren so that they always remember, and pass on to subsequent generations:
                        Children, I will tell you something that, unfortunately, our fathers and grandfathers did not tell us. But now we have the ability to correct this error.
                        Children, you unfortunately have many enemies. But your main enemy is the Armenian! No matter how many generations are passed, wherever you are - do not forget this. You are not to blame for anything, you have done nothing - you were simply born Azerbaijanis. And because of this they will destroy you wherever they find you will be cut them into pieces, shoot them, throw them out of the windows of the houses. They will rape your wives and daughters, scalp your babies, torture and mock them as soon as their bestial imagination allows them.
                        Do not trust them for a second. Never! Do not turn your back on them. And among them there are also normal people, and even Muslims, but they are so few that it is better to stay away from everyone.
                        And God forbid you, to become related with someone from their damned family, to corrupt your blood, their vile swamp slurry! Anyone, not an Armenian! Unless one of them believes in Allah, and in the Prophet (peace be upon him), and in what has been sent to him, and will stand directly with his testimony, and will testify against his wicked people, and neither what will not help him against you. Accept this, and rely on the will of God, for Allah is not an offender to His slaves, and God always supports believers. Remember this, and do not deviate from the verse of God, from the grace that He showed you, making you Muslims. If you forget Him, as happened to us and our fathers and grandfathers, then It will again send you the CURSED people, most of whom do not know Him, as His punishment, so that you, like us at one time, would seek Him grace!
                        Remember everything tightly, and do not separate.


                        Knowing them I will say no familiarity, neither now nor after victory, give GOD. The Armenians are not comparable with the Germans, with the Nazis, with other nations; it is a separate, unusually vicious, cunning and fantasizing nation from within. And they, the most interesting thing, hate not only Turks and Azerbaijanis, Georgians and Iranians, Russians, but everyone in their environment wherever they are, whether in the USA, in Europe, even in Antarctica, they will hate all those who are there. If Armenia was between Laos and Vietnam, then they would also suffer the fate of Azerbaijan and all their neighbors. Is reconciliation with the Cancer Tumor possible in the body ?????????
                      32. David
                        David April 30 2012 11: 43
                        +1
                        You see how simple it is.
                        It is enough from the Orthodox to become a Muslim
                        That's the root of the question
                        A demagoguery spread))))
                      33. Azeri2012
                        Azeri2012 April 30 2012 12: 04
                        -1
                        Quote: David
                        You see how simple it is.

                        for you, I do not see this simplicity in the future.
                        I see the second complex of genocide.
                        I see you around the world hanging around with outstretched hands.
                        I see another big influx of highs into Turkey.
                      34. Kamila
                        Kamila April 30 2012 12: 06
                        -1
                        Quote: Azeri2012
                        Kama khanum, believe me, is useless. Show them the documents of the Armenians, contrary to their interests, they will say he is lying.


                        I know, unfortunately, but anyway, I will find and show their own documents .... their Armenian sources ... I will do everything that depends on me ...
                      35. Azeri2012
                        Azeri2012 April 30 2012 12: 27
                        +1
                        It goes without saying :)
                      36. David
                        David April 30 2012 15: 13
                        +1
                        Where is the book of Z. Balayan to which you refer?
                        It does not exist in nature, and you, knowing about it, continue to refer to it.
                        Those. consciously deceiving others.
                        So you are a liar.
                        When you do this, remember the story about the boy who shouted: "Wolves, wolves." And how it ended for him.
                      37. Azeri2012
                        Azeri2012 April 30 2012 15: 27
                        -2
                        Quote: David
                        It does not exist in nature, and you, knowing about it, continue to refer to it.


                        I gave you a photo and a link in YouTube is not enough?
                        or maybe you caught him like you killed a whole law, they shot him for what they wanted to make peace with us? are you experts in this matter to kill your own, to plant and so on? Read here

                        Armenian citizen sentenced to 4 years in prison for distributing anti-Armenian literature

                        http://regnum.ru/news/1526364.html

                        or tell me how you remake Georgian temples under high? There is no equal in deception to you. And you call that woman a liar on whose land your hai live, despite the fact that in real life if you would say if in person, you won’t get home.

                        Believe me, the hands of the Ministry of National Security of Azerbaijan are very long.
                      38. David
                        David April 30 2012 16: 11
                        0
                        Link to a book on youtube?
                        Lobster. Do not make people laugh, long-armed))
                        Why does Panah Ali Khan have an Armenian dagger?
                      39. Yarbay
                        Yarbay April 30 2012 17: 20
                        -2
                        Because Panah Ali Khan in the ass climbed the Armenians as they are now to others !!
                        This is an ancient Armenian tradition !!
                        Teymuru also swore eternal service, and as soon as he went 50 kilometers his ambassadors were killed !!
                        Presented with a dagger as a sign of eternal devotion !!
                        Surely a dagger stolen !!
                      40. David
                        David April 30 2012 17: 35
                        0
                        Is that to Teymuru?
                        In what years?
                        The question was that, according to your compatriots, there were no Armenians in Transcaucasia before the beginning of the XNUMXth century.
                        That's why I asked with what were the names of relatives of Camila.
                      41. Yarbay
                        Yarbay April 30 2012 21: 07
                        -2
                        David you are not able to read !!
                        there were Armenians but there were very few of them and they were not a state-forming people !!
                        It’s the same as now in Armenia, Yezidi Kurds !!
                        Got it ??
                        about the dagger, why exactly did the Armenians in Karabakh according to you give it to Panah Ali Khan ?? maybe they sent padaroks to the embassy ?? Most likely this is another act of Armenian liso-Armenian to show Panah Ali Khan his * devotion *!
                        and since I have long known about the vileness and falsifications of Armenians Aivazyanov, I won’t be surprised if I find out that the Armenians made this inscription a hundred years after the death of Panah Ali Khan!
                      42. David
                        David April 30 2012 21: 18
                        -3
                        Alibekushka would read about a dagger
                        And here about your beloved Mikhail Mehmed-oglu Yakup http://warfiles.ru/6521-kak-mihail-mehmed-ogly-yakup-razvalil-sovetskiy-soyuz.ht
                        ml
                      43. Kamila
                        Kamila April 30 2012 21: 48
                        +2
                        The founder of the Karabakh Khanate, which gained independence after the collapse of the empire of Nadir Shah Afshar, bone of the prominent statesmen of Azerbaijan Panahali bey Javanshir... He was born in the village of Saryjaly in Karabakh. Historian Mirza Jamal, former vizier of the Karabakh Khanate, wrote: "The late Nadir Shah, after the capture of the Karabakh, Ganja, Tiflis and Shirvan regions, attracting courageous and active people from these places, including them in the circle of close servants, provided support, honor and career ...



                        He also took Panakh Khan, known in his area and gaining fame under the name of Panakhali bey Saryjaly Javanshir, who distinguished himself in any work, who won the war and battles of his opponent and, in particular, who showed courage in the wars of the late Nadir Shah with the Romans (meaning the war against the Ottoman Empire in the 30s of the XNUMXth century) ".



                        However, after the Mugan congress, Nadir shah began reprisal with the Karabakh people who did not recognize his authority, and exiled Turkic-Muslim population in Afghanistan and Khorasan. The brother of Panahali Bek Fazlali, who opposed these actions, was executed. Being an eyewitness to all this, Panahali bey fled to the Karabakh region at the first opportunity with several relatives and close associates during the Shah’s stay in Khorasan in 1737-1738. Upon learning of his escape, the Shah sent messengers after him. However, they failed to catch him. Nadir Shah sent unquestioning decrees to the governor of Ganja, Tiflis, and Shirvan to arrest the Panah Khan and send him to the Shah. The persecution by order of the shah of the family and relatives of Panah Khan was also useless.



                        So, during the life of Nadir Shah Panahali bey evaded submission, made attempts to independently rule Karabakh, which was his homeland. As a result, after the death of Nadir Shah, an independent State of Azerbaijan - Karabakh Khanate. After the declaration of the Karabakh Khanate as an independent state, the main task was to strengthen it. One of the first events of Panah Khan in this direction was the return to the native lands of the Turkic-Muslim population expelled by Nadir Shah. The return of the settlers and their placement on the lands of great-grandfathers and fathers strengthened the Karabakh Khanate. Among the first immigrants who returned from exile was the future Khan of Karabakh - 15-year-old Ibrahimkhalil..



                        During the formation of the Karabakh khanate, there were no cities like Tabriz, Ardabil, Ganja, Shemakha, Baku, Nakhchivan, Sheki, Derbent. Although the presence of such political and economic centers was important for the further development of the khanates. The construction of new defensive systems and the laying of cities, along with military-political affairs, should be considered the creative success of Panah Khan.



                        One of the first steps in this direction was the construction of a fortress in 1748 Bayat, associated with the name of the ancient Azerbaijani-Turkic tribe Bayats. "The khan gathered there all his family, relatives, elders. People living in the district, even a large part of the population and artisans of Tabriz and Ardabil regions, having heard about the success of Panah khan, his attitude and love for people, together with their families arrived at the Bayat fortress ".



                        The activities of Panah Khan in the field of building an independent state ended with its official recognition. Mirza Jamal writes: “According to the Muslim calendar in 1161, and according to the Christian - in 1745 (must be 1748), the decree of Adil Shah on assigning Panah khan the title of“ khan ”and appointing him the ruler of Karabakh along with an expensive robe, a horse in gold A bridle and a sword decorated with precious stones were delivered to Sardar's confidant Amir Aslan to the Bayat fortress, where he lived at that time. "



                        Shah Adil's decree was just a belated document. Real "rule" was conquered before and independently of the Shah's decree. The unsuccessful campaign of the Sheki Khanate against Karabakh played a great role in recognizing Panakh Khan as the "Ruler of Karabakh". Sheki Khan Haji Chelebi, after an unsuccessful campaign to Bayat in 1748, noted: "Panah khan was still not minted silver. We came, minted it and returned" (or "Panahali declared himself a khan, but I confirmed his khanate with my defeat".



                        In fact, the words of Haji Chelebi Khan, paraphrased among the people, were more powerful than the decree of Shah Adil. Ahmed bey Javanshir wrote: "... The legend of Panakh Khan's courage, which spread from mouth to mouth after this victory (the Bayat battle), without wars subjugated all Muslim tribes living in Karabakh at that time to his power. "At the same time, the Bayat battle revealed that this fortress would not be able to Therefore, it was necessary to build a new fortress. Mirza Adygezal bey wrote: "Panakh khan erected another fortress in the village of Tarnakut, known as Shahbulag. Mosques, houses, markets (squares, shopping areas) and baths were built from stone and lime. After the completion of these works in 1165 (1751) he settled there. "
                      44. Yarbay
                        Yarbay April 30 2012 22: 40
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                        David read that nonsense that you advised)))

                        Here you are probably in your posts about * Helsinki principles * and so on, you know very little and studied a little !!
                        You see, what’s the matter, almost 95 percent of Armenians living in Turkey took Turkish names and surnames !!))
                        that is, Vagan Hakobyan-let's say Mehmet Yagub oglu !! Do you understand what I mean?
                        and judging by the actions of Mikhail Mehmet oglu, he could well have been an Armenian))
                        with fiery greetings
                      45. David
                        David April 30 2012 22: 51
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                        Where to us, Alibek.
                        And you already have a "century-old" trick, what is wrong - blame the Armenians)))
                      46. Kamila
                        Kamila April 30 2012 21: 29
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                        Albanians after the fall of the Albanian kingdom partially survived in Karabakh-Artsakh and revived their The Albanian-Khachen kingdom, where the Hasan-Jalalov dynasty established itself, which ruled from the XNUMXth to the XNUMXth centuries. and who were the direct heirs of the Albanian Mihranids... In the XV century. The Hasan-Jalal clan received the title "melik" from Jahanshah, the head of state of Karakoyunlu, which began to be attached to the daughter lines of the Jalal clan. And the clan itself broke up into five daughter lines, feudal possessions-meliks

                        Five The Albanian feudal melikahs in Karabakh are as follows: Dizak, Chilaberd, Gulustan, Khachen and Varand. Meliks who converted to Islam subsequently became Azerbaijanis, melik, pRiverside of Christianity were considered Albanians, and after 1836 they were considered Armenians. Two lines come from the same Melik family - one Armenian, another Azerbaijani, for example, the name of the Melik-Eganovs.

                        This article is dedicated to the Azerbaijani Bek family of the Melik-Aslanovs;

                        The title “melik” appeared in Azerbaijan in the Arabic period and in Arabic means "ruler" Under the Safavids, and in subsequent years, Melik meant a petty sovereign feudal lord, a descendant of local rulers who obeyed the Shah’s authority. In some cases, Melik is the foreman of a village or group of villages (18.S. 112). This title, as well as possessions, were inherited.

                        Melikahs of Karabakh existed in the Safavid period, from the 18th century. They were part of the administrative-political borders of the Karabakh bogliarbeystvo, whose center was in Ganja | 137.С.1804 [. Beglyarbekstvo from the first half of the XVI century was headed by the beglarbeks from the Ziyadoglu-Kadzhar dynasty, who occupied the Ganja throne until 18 [122. S. 1736). However, with the reign of Nadir Shah Afshar on the throne of Iran in 1736, usurping him from the Safavid dynasty, the political situation in Upper Karabakh, and in Azerbaijan in general, changed. Against the power of Nadir Shah on the Mugan Kurultai of 18, the Karabakh Begulyarbeks Ziyadogly-Kadzhar, who had great influence in Azerbaijan, spoke out. In order to break their resistance and undermine influence. Nadir Shah took some steps. So, he freed the Karabakh meliks from the power of Ziyadoglu-Kadzhar and directly subjugated them to the power of his brother Ibrahim Khan, the ruler of all Azerbaijan (124.C.15; 48.C.1747 |. This situation continued until the death of Nadir Shah and education independent Karabakh khanate (XNUMX).

                        Melik Egan became the founder of the Dizak Melik dynasty; whose father, Luke, at the beginning of the ХУШ century, moved from Lori (Eastern Georgia) to Karabakh. Supposedly Luke belonged to the descendants of the lords of the meliks Lori and Somkhiti in South Kartli (Eastern Georgia), which are mentioned in historical documents from the 1478th century (XNUMX). According to the code of the Georgian king Vakhtang VI, Meliki Somkhiti occupied sixth place in the seniority of the princely families of Georgia. Georgian princes Melikishvili also have their pedigree from Lori meliks (18.C. 174).

                        The inscription stamped on the Portal of the family palace of Dizak Meliks in the village of Tug reads that “I, ... Melik Egan, when the people gathered in advance, was appointed foreman. After that, when the unrest began in the country, he rendered service to the son of the Shah Sultan-Hussein, King Tahmasp, and he confirmed me a tune over them ... ”| 17.P.81 |. According to this inscription, Melik Egan became a physician of Dizak during the reign of Shah Tahmasp, i.e. since 1722 and was approved in this rank and in possession in 1736 by Nadir Shah 117.P.81-82 |. However, according to other sources, Melik Egan received all his regalia and lands for services and devotion from Nadir no earlier than 1736 (15.P. 56-62]. According to the above inscription on the portal, Melik-Egan ruled during the reign of Nadir Shah not only by Dizak, but also by all the melikomies of Upper Karabakh (17. P. 82). Mirza-Jamal Javanshir also points to this in his “History of Karabakh” |

                        After the death of Nadir Shah in 1747, Iran’s influence in Azerbaijan weakened and conditions arose for the restoration of statehood in the country. In the end 40s on the territory of Lower and Upper Karabakh, the Karabakh Khanate arose, the founder of which was Panah Ali Khan Javanshir. In 1748, on the basis of a letter to the board from Adil Shah, the successor of Nadir Shah Afshar, he was awarded the hereditary title of Khan and ruler (16.P. 71). A serious obstacle to the unification of the lands of Karabakh and the creation of a centralized state were the Karabakh melikies, striving for independence. Melik of Khachinsky Magal, although for some time he was zealous in enmity and disobedience, he finally obeyed and was appointed Panah Khan as a melik of his separate hereditary possession ... And although the Panah Khan managed to subordinate all the Meliks of Karabakh to his power [14.С .127), under Ibrahim Khan (1759-1806), three melikas, including the Dizak melik Isai, who inherited the melik in 1746 (he received the melik from the hands of Nadir Shah (17.P. 83]), led the struggle against the Karabakh khan. Only two meliks - Varanda and Khachen - became allies of the Karabakh khanate. The possessions of these Meliks "came into contact with the lands that belonged to Ibrahim Khan (successor to the Panah Khan - ND), therefore their union was territorially (and dynastically) connected - ND), represented significant power "(14.S. 145). Often the Meliks were at enmity with each other, which Ibrahim Khan of Karabakh used." Already from the very balance of the fighting forces, we see that it was a matter of the feudal lords ’struggle for power, for land ownership and peasants ”| 14.S.148-149 |. In 1781, Ibrahim Khan, together with his allies, went to the Tug fortress and began a long siege. He managed to capture Melik Isaiah by deception, and not the last role was played by the Melik’s nephew - Bakhtam | 2.L.6 |, who became Melik Dizak in 1781. Despite the fact that Melik Bakhtam was raised by Ibrahim Khan, he began the struggle against him, which lasted until 1784. In the summer of this year, Russian troops stationed in Georgia under the terms of the St. George Treaty of 1783, as well as the troops of the Georgian tsar Heraclius II and the Melics hostile to Ibrahim, were to enter Karabakh and put an end to the power of the khan. Plans were made for the creation of a Christian state in vassal Russia on the territory of Azerbaijan (17.C.142). The son of Melik Bakhtam Abbas ascended the Dizak throne. The Karabakh khan achieved the actual abolition of the Dizak melik in exchange for the Khan's salary, which was now received by the meliks. “In return for his family estate, His Melik-Egan ... granted to receive annually from Dizak's former our district ... 600 rubles in silver” [Z.L.6 |. After that, the rapprochement of the Dizak meliks with the Karabakh khans occurs. This is expressed in dynastic marriages (the sister of Melik Abbas Hatay-khanum became the wife of Ibrahim Khan and from her he had two sons - Hussein-Kuli-bek and Sefi-Kuli-bek), in the service carried by Dizak meliks to the Karabakh khans and religious unity. Apparently, Melik Abbas converted to Islam, as He was buried in a Muslim cemetery (15.С.8). Melik’s son, Isai Baghdad-bek, also converted to Islam and became the ancestor of the Azerbaijani branch of the Dizak Meliks ..

                        Melik-Aslan, considered the eldest in the family of Meliks of Dizak, was the naib of the Dizak Magal and served as the Minbashi under the last Karabakh Khan, Mehti-Kuli Khan (1806-1822). According to “Vedomosti from the villages of the Karabagh Magal Dizag, managed by Melik Aslan”, he controlled the villages Zamzur, Sur, Tagasir, Keshbek, Tug, Gagiagi, Khozabirt, Mamat Azor, Gamryapoch, Kyugyul, Bulugan, Juvarly (1.L.205 -207). In the indicated villages, Melik-Aslan had only administrative power and the right to receive part of the income from the Talag provided by the Karabakh Mehti-Kuli Khan | 2.L.6 |. “According to the inventories of 1823, 1832, 1848-1849, 1863. all the main members of the clan (referring to the descendants of Melik Aslan and his brothers - ND) are shown among the Beks ”(2L.18), i.e. had a beck dignity.
                      47. Azeri2012
                        Azeri2012 April 30 2012 22: 14
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                        Quote: David
                        Why does Panah Ali Khan have an Armenian dagger?


                        Because I probably cut out an ear like Andranik from some kind of hay, that's how the trophy flaunts. What did you think?
                      48. David
                        David April 30 2012 22: 51
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                        I thought you had a brain
                        I see - was wrong))))
                      49. Azeri2012
                        Azeri2012 April 30 2012 23: 11
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                        Quote: David
                        I thought you had a brain
                        I see - was wrong))))


                        I see how far the high brains have gone. They became slaves to the Kremlin, legs spread to Turkey and money is taken from the west. Bravo.

                        I always thought that you can’t eat a fish and sit on a cock. And you, as I see it, immediately sit on 3 kui. In the Kremlin, in the west and in the Turkic.

                        You were asked a question: did Grozny have Arabic inscriptions on his helmet, then is he Arab? You did not answer. You answer what is beneficial to you. You know, many Russian citizens write thanks for revealing your false propaganda. I will ask them for permission, if I may, I will copy and lay out their letters to you. And there is not one and not 10 but many more. So, we will not leave you hai alone.

                        You don’t worry about my brain. If he were not there, I would not be who I am in life. But who are you, this question is of course interesting
                      50. Azeri2012
                        Azeri2012 April 30 2012 12: 36
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                        Quote: David
                        But Azerbaijan must abandon the position of "unambiguous inclusion of Nagorno-Karabakh" into Azerbaijan.


                        When Andranik sees his right ear, then Karabakh will become Armenian. I promise you.

                        Quote: David
                        Today, we have rebuilt the fortifications, occupied the heights and are waiting. What will happen next? We will not give Nagorno-Karabakh to Azerbaijan.


                        Well, this does not prevent our snipers from reducing the number of Hayastan drugs. Yes, we got to the villages. Serge promised to take revenge. At the same time he complained about the elders, he can’t openly say that there aren’t enough people, they’re already putting you in jail at the airport in order to send even citizens of other countries to the transfer. Didn’t read the news?

                        Quote: David
                        We did not attack Azerbaijan. We made peaceful demands.

                        Well, yes, we came up with the Khojaly genocide, how did you come up with the genocide of the Huyustans. You are as peaceful as Hitler towards the Jews.

                        Quote: David
                        Karabakh wanted to secede from the Az SSR and become part of the ArmSSR.


                        And they came out (not officially) and how? starving? like niches in all countries with outstretched hands, while we say the great wars, but the CSTO will help us :))))))))))))))))))))))

                        Quote: David
                        Omar wrote to me that the pogroms of February 1988 in Sumgait were carried out by the Armenians against the Armenians. I tried to object to him. Then I had the nickname dodil. In response, he received just a stream of hatred.


                        Learn to tell the truth. I asked you to watch the program of Echo Sumgait, facts and so on, but instead of reading, you say no, my story is correct, and why should I believe in your story when it was before my eyes?

                        Quote: David
                        I, an Armenian living in the Russian Federation, did not even suspect that on the border of my homeland, where I go every summer, there are people who hate us so much.


                        You Oscar relies for such words. You are lyricizing and lying at every turn, as now. Since childhood, you scare your children with Turks and Azerbaijanis, creating hatred for us when we scare normal people with bogeymen and witches. And now, our morning exercises begin with the history of Andranik and fall asleep with the history of the Khojaly genocide, and in the menu we recall our HEROES.

                        Quote: David
                        Now I am joking about "great Azerbaijani chauvinism".

                        This term was created specifically in relation to the Armenians.
                      51. David
                        David April 30 2012 15: 34
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                        Artsakh is already Armenian.

                        When you write about snipers, do not forget to tell that all the posts that you attacked became Armenian again in a week. And you had a lot of two hundred. So there is nothing to be proud of.

                        To understand the full depth of your abomination with the so-called "Khojaly" genocide, you need to read this article http://rubsev.ru/2012/03/oleg-rusin-xodzhaly-i-srebrenica-istoricheskaya-pravda-

                        protiv-virtualnyx-genocidov / from start to finish.

                        Yes, come out. And okay. From the height of the Baku oil profits, it may seem that someone is surviving. But answer me - how many hundreds of thousands of refugees live below the poverty line in prosperous Azerbaijan.

                        Please kindly state your position on the events in Sumgait on 28-29 / 02/1988.
                        Who, whom and for what purpose killed. How many people have been convicted.
                        What was their nationality. Who was shot as an instigator. What do the testimonies of the victims say. And all the rest.
                        And not a conspiracy theory - they say that the Armenians themselves, along with the KGB, muddied. And most importantly, 13-20 / 01/1990. Continuation of Sumgait. Also the Armenians? Your hair stands on end when you read what kind of villainy your crazy, drunk-stoned tribesmen did. Then they built barricades, blocking the entry of Soviet paratroopers into the city. Read how your raving shahids from your alley drove sharpeners right under the bulletproof vests of the Russian guys.
                        Here is my vision of the events of 13-20 / 01/1990 in Baku http://alerozin.narod.ru/Baku1990.htm So you are of course a "hero, but with a hole"

                        You scare children with Azerbaijanis)))))) Only if like this: "If you study badly, you will be as stupid as Azerbaijanis"

                        And you, lobster, if you do not twist - a chauvinist of pure water.
                      52. Kamila
                        Kamila April 30 2012 15: 48
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                        Quote: David
                        Shaheeds from your alley pounded sharpeners


                        did you read the list ???? among the dead are children and old people ... and not the instigators of pogroms, they then remained alive ((((((you yourself are possessed ... and mediocre ... you do not see your Armenian nose ... (((
                      53. David
                        David April 30 2012 17: 11
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                        Allahverdiyev, Nariman Amir oglu 1939 Janitor died as a result of a mental upheaval.
                        It sounds like a joke.
                        Are you out of your mind? How is it installed?
                      54. Azeri2012
                        Azeri2012 April 30 2012 15: 51
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                        Quote: David
                        Artsakh is already Armenian.

                        In which document?
                        Is there an Armenian? that independent Artsakh is Armenian?))))

                        I’ll be back in the evening. We will meet.
                      55. Kamila
                        Kamila April 30 2012 22: 19
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                        Armenian foreign fairy tales. "

                        “COME, SAW, ... APPROVED”


                        After the story of how the Armenians appeared in the South Caucasus, the author goes into the modified Latin triad “Came, saw, ... appropriated” to the second paragraph, namely “... saw ...”, which tells about what the Armenians faced in the South -Caucasia lands.

                        First of all, we need a brief excursion into the era associated with the beginning of the colonization of Azerbaijani lands by Armenians.

                        In the XVI-XVII centuries. in the time of the Safavids Azerbaijani language (turkcha) becomes the state, palace and diplomatic language.

                        Here are a few testimonies of foreigners. Italian traveler P.D. Valle: “In the palace it became obvious to me that Türkic is much more used than Farsi ...” French traveler JB Tavernier: “Turkça is the easiest of the languages ​​of the East. Dignity, degree of expression in this language, its sound led to the fact that it is the only spoken language in the palace and in the whole empire. ”

                        In the XVIII century, when the Russians appeared in the Caucasus, a need arose to establish a language of understanding in this region. Such was the Azerbaijani Turkch. It is no coincidence that Peter I, declaring the reasons and goals of his expedition to the Caspian, presented them in a special manifest in the Azerbaijani language, and throughout the eighteenth century the North Caucasian peoples living along the Terek and Kuban corresponded with the center of the Russian Empire, as a rule Azerbaijani language.

                        We emphasize that in The State Archive of Ancient Documents of Russia for only a five-year period (1783-1787) out of 925 documents stored, 816 of them texts, i.e. 88%, are written in the Azerbaijani language.

                        Not by chance, that the tsarist government made a special decision to study the Azerbaijani language in Russian schools, and for those who were supposed to work in the Transcaucasian civil services, a special school was opened in 1802, which became a gymnasium in 1829, and in which future civil servants intensively studied Azerbaijani Turkic.

                        The motivation of the steps taken by the tsarist authorities is noteworthy. In particular, the Caucasian governorate, informing the Ministry of Education of Tsarist Russia on the issue of training local personnel, emphasized as a justification for studying the Azerbaijani language that Georgian for employees can only be suitable in the Tbilisi and Kutaisi provinces, while knowledge of Azerbaijani is necessary for work not only in all other regions of the South Caucasus, but throughout the Caucasus as a whole.

                        The reason was that during this historical period, the Azerbaijani Turkic turned into the language of interstate and interethnic communication. This situation continued until Russia completely conquered the Caucasus. And, of course, this did not pass by the famous representatives of the Russian intelligentsia.

                        M. Lermontov, A. Bestuzhev-Marlinsky, who have visited these parts, can find many wonderful statements about the Azerbaijani language, including works where the Azerbaijani language is directly used. Here are some examples.

                        M. Lermontov: "Turkcha - Asian French." A. Bestuzhev-Marlinsky in his work “Molla-Nur” prefaced each chapter with epigraphs in Azerbaijani, such as, for example, “chah dashy, chahmag dasha, Allah versin yagysha”, or “Ojagdan chyhan dyushman” and many others.

                        The evidence given below belongs to the famous German who arrived in the Caucasus To August von Hakstauzen: “The Armenians compose and sing their songs not in Armenian, but in spoken Tatar [Turkic], since this language is the language of communication, trade and mutual understanding among the peoples of the South Caucasus.

                        From this point of view, he is comparable with French circulating in Europe. However, it is the language of exceptional poetry. Probably this is one of the reasons for the weak distribution of poetry in Armenian, the most famous Armenian poets have always written in the Tatar [Azerbaijani] language for the wide distribution of their works. ”

                        It is far from accidental that The Armenian colonists who arrived on our lands became familiar with the Azerbaijani language, absorbed our culture and communicated in Azerbaijani Turkic. The above was recognized by the Armenians themselves.

                        Here is the evidence H. Abovyan, the founder and recognized classic of Armenian literature, who literally wrote the following in his novel “The Wounds of Armenia”: “Damn the Turkic, but this language received the blessing of the Lord ... everywhere in celebrations or weddings we sing in Turkic,” or “ ... the people [Armenian] have learned a huge number of Turkic words and use them today. ”

                        H. Abovyan, counting the completely natural use of Azerbaijani words in the Armenian language, wrote: “In colloquial speech, our people use not only separate words in Azerbaijani, but also sentences in their entirety” (H. Abovyan, Complete Works, V volume, Yerevan, Publishing House of the Academy of Sciences Arm. 1950, in Armenian).

                        A classic of Armenian literature and himself in his works, such as the mentioned novel “Wounds of Armenia” or the poem “Song of Aghasi”, widely used Azerbaijani (only in the novel “Wounds of Armenia” more than a hundred Azerbaijani words) and N. Nalbaldyan explained it this way: “... Abovyan wrote this precisely because the illiterate people did not think that he was reading a book, he wrote so that the people felt that they simply talk to him ”(N. Nalbaldyan, Poln. sob. soch. III vol., Publishing House of the Academy of Sciences Arm, 1970, in Armenian).

                        The influence of the Azerbaijani language was so significant that, according to the revelation of the Armenian academician Hrach Acharyan (“History of the New Armenian Literature”, Vagharsh-baht, 1906, in Armenian) “... even the grammatical patterns and rules of the Armenian language have changed under the influence of the Turkic [Azerbaijani] language”.

                        But widely used in his work aboutBrazilians of Azerbaijani folklore and Azerbaijani words, classic of Armenian literature Khachatur Abovyan directly wrote: “At least 50% of our language consists of Turkic words ...” or “... in terms of sound, poetry and melodiousness, Tatar [Azerbaijani] grammatically is the best among other languages” (“Wounds of Armenia”).

                        It is H. Abovyan, perfectly mastering the grammar of the Azerbaijani language, created "Brief rules for the verbal use of the Turkic, which is spoken throughout the Transcaucasian region, in Azerbaijan and almost throughout Persia." That’s exactly what the “Brief Rules ...” written by the classic of Armenian literature were called, stored in the center of the ancient manuscripts of Armenia, in Matenadaran, and according to the testimony of Professor Antonyan, designed to become a textbook for a better understanding by the Armenians of the Azerbaijani language.

                        And N. Nalbaldyan, to whom we referred above (Poln. Sob. Soch., III vol., Ed. Arm. AN, 1970, in Armenian), regarding the knowledge of the Azerbaijani language by Armenians, he wrote that the Armenians not only widely use the Azerbaijani language, words, but also poems and songs.

                        According to his understanding, there was a direct need for this, since for the Armenian population at that time “most of the spoken language was Azerbaijani words”. And if you follow the recognition of G. Antonyan in the article he published in the journal "Revolution and Culture" “The attitude of H. Abovyan towards the Azerbaijani people and their culture”, it turns out that "Azerbaijani has become a complete necessity." To add to this is difficult.

                        in, it turns out ... but that you were silent about this David ??
                      56. Kamila
                        Kamila 1 May 2012 09: 47
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                        Crimes of Armenians against Turks: Khojaly tragedy


                        ... Today is a sad date in the history of the Turkic world - 20 years since the genocide committed by Armenian nationalists in the Azerbaijani city of Khojaly ...

                        The assault on the city began on the night of February 25-26. At 23 o'clock a powerful artillery shelling of Khojaly began. After the shelling, Armenian troops with the participation of the 366th CIS motorized rifle regiment stationed in Khankendi (Stepanakert) began to enter the city. According to eyewitnesses, the personnel and military equipment of the 366th regiment took an active part in the assault and capture of the city. The city was surrounded on three sides, from where troops entered the city.

                        The formations entering the city managed to suppress the last center of resistance by 7 o’clock in the morning. Residents of the city left it on foot in snowy areas, many without shoes and warm clothes, as a result of which a number of people died from frostbite.
                        According to the Memorial report, residents left in two directions ...

                        1. From the eastern outskirts of the city to the north-east along the river bed, leaving Askeran on the left.

                        2. From the northern outskirts of the city to the northeast, leaving Askeran on the right (apparently, a smaller part of the refugees left this way).

                        Thus, the majority of civilians left Khojaly, and approximately 200-300 people remained in Khojaly, hiding in their homes and basements.

                        According to the Human Rights Watch, the Armenian armed forces and members of the 366th motorized rifle regiment opened fire on people leaving the city.

                        Famous brother An Armenian terrorist and the commander of the Armenian formations in Karabakh, Monte Melkonyan, Markar Melkonyan in his book “My Brother's Road: An American's Fateful Journey to Armenia” writes about the number of storming Khojaly. He gives a figure of 2 thousand. Thus, the number of attackers was 10 times higher than the number of defenders of the city.

                        People who nevertheless managed to leave the city walked towards Agdam on foot, on the way to Agdam, crowds of people fell under the shelling of Armenian armed forces. Early in the morning, the Khojaly residents reached the plain near the village of Nakhichevanik populated by Armenians, where they came under heavy fire from the Armenians. More and more crowds of refugees arrived on the plain strewn with the corpses of the killed people and also fell under the fire of the Armenian armed forces.

                        Here is what Hijran Alekperova, a former resident of Khojaly, told the representative of the Human Rights Watch:

                        «We got to Nakhichevanik by nine in the morning. There was a field; on it lay many dead. There were probably a hundred of them. I did not try to count them. I was wounded in this field. Hajiyev Alif (Alif Hajiyev led the defense of the city and was the head of the Khojaly airport) was shot and I wanted to help him. A bullet hit my stomach. I saw where they were shooting from. I saw a lot of corpses in this field. They were killed recently - their skin color has not changed yet. ”

                        Also, a refugee from Khojaly, Raish Aslanov, in an interview with a representative of Human Rights Watch reported that the Armenians (the Arabo detachment) fired indiscriminately, and after that they pulled the knives out of their sheath and began to cut the remaining ones.

                        After the capture of the city, there remained about 300 civilians who could not leave the city.
                        These people were captured by the Armenians, all of them were sent to Khankendi (Stepanakert) as well as to the bullpen located in the Red Village and the Askeran city isolation ward.

                        Similar actions by the Armenian side indicate that, among other things, they pursued the goal of ethnic cleansing. Their goal was to expel the entire non-Armenian population of the region, including Khojaly. It is worth noting that most of the people captured in the city were women, children and the elderly. The captivity of women and children in the entire civilized world is considered immoral. Also, this fact comes into gross contradiction with the Geneva Convention and with some articles of the UN Charter regulating human rights.

                        It is reliably known that prisoners were subjected to gross physical abuse, were deprived of medical care and proper nutrition. Also, some prisoners were given to Armenian families, where they were treated like slaves. Some of them were killed, some died, unable to withstand systematic torture and beatings.

                        There is evidence that the Armenian authorities hid some prisoners from international observers, obviously this was done to conceal from them the facts of violence and torture against prisoners.

                        After capturing the city Memorial observers recorded mass looting in Khojaly by residents of Khankendi (Stepanakert) and nearby villages populated by Armenians.

                        Photos of the French photographer, Frederic Langein (Frdrique Lengaigne)

                        http://tatar-gazeta.ru/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1357:2012-02
                        -26-11-10-29&catid=47:2011-01-20-16-17-17&Itemid=133
                    3. Omarion
                      Omarion April 29 2012 18: 06
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                      Quote: Cadet787
                      As far as I know, Armenians from pokon centuries lived compactly in the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh


                      This is not correct information. They did not live forever. And they were populated, while Azerbaijanis in the 20th century in droves were FORCED to emigrate from their lands.

                      I put documents here and there was written in black and white confirmation of my words.


                      Quote: Cadet787
                      Sit down at the negotiating table and AGREE, there is no other alternative.


                      20 years of conversation, but no result. Although with those animals that killed civilians of the Azerbaijani people, a different kind of dialogue is needed. Just reduce their population.
                      1. David
                        David April 29 2012 18: 14
                        +1
                        So what stops you, loshara?
                        Piss off ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
                      2. Cadet787
                        Cadet787 April 29 2012 18: 25
                        +4
                        Gentlemen, let's stop mutual insults - this does not paint anyone. I believe that common sense will triumph.
                      3. esaul
                        esaul April 29 2012 19: 38
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                        Quote: Cadet787
                        Gentlemen, let's stop mutual insults - this does not paint anyone. I believe that common sense will triumph

                        George, I welcome you and join your comment. Good luck drinks
                      4. Cadet787
                        Cadet787 April 29 2012 20: 41
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                        Thank you Valery for your support.
                      5. Yarbay
                        Yarbay April 29 2012 22: 33
                        -3
                        George common sense for me and I am sure for most of my fellow citizens is to ensure the territorial integrity of my country by any means possible and as soon as possible !!
                      6. Omarion
                        Omarion April 29 2012 18: 30
                        0
                        Three Armenian soldiers died as a result of shelling by Azerbaijan

                        http://regnum.ru/news/1525822.html


                        Shorter went to X
  21. General
    General April 29 2012 12: 27
    -1
    news from the regnum where they write everything that is horrible except the truth
  22. Nechai
    Nechai April 29 2012 12: 58
    +3
    "on the territory of Turkey, in the Kurejik district of Malatya province near the borders of Iran, Georgia and Armenia, a radar station has been put into operation, which has become part of the missile defense system deployed by the US in Europe" - "The Gabala radar station should not be directed against Turkey."
    So against Turkey or the US should not be directed?
    Quote: revnagan
    How can a radar station be directed against anyone?

    The United States fears, most likely, that in the future, having "entrenched" in Gabala, Russia will modernize it. And by synchronizing its work with some objects on its territory, it will receive a more or less reliable shield against ballistic missiles from the south. The very same weapon based on different principles, which Putin spoke about for a long time. Moreover, if now, all countries in the majority, albeit grumbling, but openly protest against the dictate of the World Sheriff, then what will be their reaction when they learn that ICBM warheads launched across Russia will land ON THEIR TERRITORY in one way or another kind ?! Does the fuse go off on a regular basis? But radiation damage to the current allies of the sheriff is guaranteed. Of course, this system, Russia is quite capable of deploying completely on its territory, only the likelihood of MS coming to the countries bordering with us will increase from this. Which is not in our interests, and certainly not in the interests of our neighbors. So the leadership of Azerbaijan needs to decide who and what is more dear to them. Its citizens, its own homeland. Or the Turks and their land.
  23. RUSmen
    RUSmen April 29 2012 17: 54
    +2
    Radar in Armavir is not to replace the Gabala?
    1. plotnikov561956
      plotnikov561956 April 30 2012 07: 00
      +2
      Quote: RUSmen
      Radar in Armavir is not to replace the Gabala?


      Exactly ! And that says a lot in terms of future strategies.
  24. crossbow
    crossbow April 29 2012 18: 21
    +4
    Cadet787,
    Sorry to interfere in your discussion with Alibek, but still consider it necessary to remind you that you need to at least theoretically distinguish between the issue of the ownership of Karabakh itself as an administrative-territorial unit and the problem of the territories of Azerbaijan itself (the indigenous territory) occupied (captured if you like) by Armenia, and the occupied territory makes up a very decent share of the total territory of Azerbaijan and these territories were very densely populated and absolutely the entire population was forced to flee, and this was hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people who had a very, very hard time.
    1. Omarion
      Omarion April 29 2012 19: 11
      -9
      Here it is, an Armenian wrote to me

      David (1) Today, 17:50 -2
      You forgot one more option - you renounce your claims to our land, and return Nakhichevan to us as a gesture of goodwill.
      And peace comes.


      That is, he offers me that I forget 20% of my land + he wants me to give him another 30% of the land.

      After that, will you conduct a dialogue with them? And he said correctly, all his countrymen and the government say so
      1. David
        David April 29 2012 19: 52
        +1
        Lobster. You are breaching again.
        What 20% have you already given?
        Or while I went to the store, did the Armenians move even further? )))))
  25. SAVA555.IVANOV
    SAVA555.IVANOV April 29 2012 19: 20
    +3
    Omarion, David, something is not all Our Azerbaijanis and Armenians came here, is everything okay with them and where did they go !! ?? lol
    1. David
      David April 29 2012 19: 52
      +3
      ))))))))))))
      Waiting for
  26. Cadet787
    Cadet787 April 29 2012 19: 24
    +2
    Crossbow
    Dear Vlad. I just wanted to say that there are no winners in ethnic conflicts, this grief is mutual. The parties should be guided by common sense, not emotions, ordinary people need peace.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 29 2012 22: 36
      -5
      George, and where does the ethnic conflict ?? Now it is secondary !! Winners always happen !!
      If this concerns Azerbaijan, according to some winners, there is no !! This is an empty phrase !!
      all people need peace !!! But when there is no other way the aggressor is punished !!
      And now almost the case is when less and less choice remains !!
      Time is shrinking !!
      And thank God that is so !!
  27. Stasi.
    Stasi. April 29 2012 19: 33
    +4
    You can recall the history of the Cuban missile crisis. Then the Turks deployed American Jupiter missiles capable of carrying nuclear warheads, and most importantly, the flight time of the missiles was much shorter, our cities were under attack. We had to place missiles in Cuba in revenge, the Yankees raised a howl all over the planet - it turns out they can place missiles near our borders, but we can't! But we were still able to get the American missiles out of Turkey. Now history is repeating itself, one of the echelons of missile defense is being deployed on the territory of Turkey and a station aimed at Russia is operating. At the same time, the Turks are demanding guarantees that the Gabala radar station is not directed against them. Aerobatics of hypocrisy! I wonder if the Azerbaijani government remembers this story of the Caribbean crisis? By what right can they demand that we give guarantees of loyalty to Turkey?
  28. CC-18a
    CC-18a April 29 2012 22: 39
    +2
    New condition of Baku: Gabala radar should not be directed against Turkey
    Yeah, as soon as Turkey leaves NATO, it will not be sent right away.
  29. vladimir64ss
    vladimir64ss April 30 2012 00: 06
    +4
    Now it’s fashionable to talk about private armies. It’s not time to visit Baku Stenka Razin.
  30. Odinplys
    Odinplys April 30 2012 01: 24
    +4
    About this station ... noise ... more than you need ...
    They want guarantees in words ... and a piece of paper today is not expensive ...
    We need to think about the security of Russia, regardless of any treaties ....
    1. plotnikov561956
      plotnikov561956 April 30 2012 07: 07
      +2
      Quote: OdinPlys

      About this station ... noise ... more than you need ...


      While we are making noise on the site .nova is already under construction. if desired, a maximum of a year and will be under commissioning
  31. Argir
    Argir April 30 2012 01: 42
    +3
    I have a question, but Nagorno-Karabakh has economic value, or is it just a territorial dispute. And where did the argument come from, if all the lands of the Caucasus belonged to the Russian Empire. The Georgian Tsar Irakli, the second, seems to have called Catherine’s regiments for help. Could there really be little shed blood of Russian soldiers in the Caucasus? Didn't the Persians crush the Armenians?
    And now it seems like nobody really wants to capture the Caucasus, Russia doesn’t dance for the world hegemon and nobody needs to protect it, the locals decided to fuck it up there?
    It seems to me that when the great scribe comes and begins to flare up the third world war, the Caucasus will again be defended by the Russians from the Turks.
    1. David
      David April 30 2012 02: 58
      -1
      Yes you, my friend, clairvoyant laughing
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 30 2012 17: 49
      -2
      Kuril Islands have economic value ??? or let the USSR free only territories with economic value from the fascists ??
      besides Heraclius the second there are a lot of things in the Caucasus and who else!
  32. iulai
    iulai April 30 2012 09: 12
    +2
    about which there’s a dispute, they got the machines and go, and then, like women at the bazaar, honestly ...
  33. Dok-stavros
    Dok-stavros April 30 2012 10: 20
    +3
    Why automatic. Our Azerbaijani "colleagues" prefer to work with an ax at night. wink
    1. kNow
      kNow April 30 2012 10: 52
      -5
      Dok-stavros,
      you don’t get used to it, one without ears, another without a head, a third Sosunsky ... your heroes have such a fate
      1. Azeri2012
        Azeri2012 April 30 2012 11: 30
        -4
        Quote: kNow
        you don’t get used to it, one without ears, another without a head, a third Sosunsky ... your heroes have such a fate


        They lost their body parts, for the betrayal of which they ate bread.
        For betrayal and spitting in the well from where they drank water.

        When we talk about the lack of ears, we must also name the reason why the ears are missing so that everyone knows their essence.
  34. sprut
    sprut April 30 2012 11: 41
    +6
    Allies ...
  35. dld35057
    dld35057 April 30 2012 13: 36
    0
    the question is not in the principle of the station’s operation, but in provow status. Russia is the legal successor of the USSR. Since the collapse, many legal documents have been adopted - it is time for lawyers from the Kremlin and the White House to present these little brothers. so we will put these highlanders in a hole for debts.
    1. Azeri2012
      Azeri2012 April 30 2012 14: 49
      -6
      Quote: dld35057
      it's time for lawyers from the Kremlin and the White House to present to these little brothers.


      You defend the KREMLIN, and how quickly you forgot that the Kremlin Gazprom, just a few months ago put you on the counter and those whom you scold, saved your sovereignty. So you thank the one who saves you? You spit in the well from where they drank water for 300 + every year we buy dairy products for millions from you, because these whom you scold help you, because the Kremlin lads just blackmail you with this.

      It was necessary to spit yes to your problem? So that you, like in Armenia, instead of money, pay with your factories and have nothing to enslave?

      Quote: dld35057
      so we will put these highlanders in a hole for debts.


      Wuhahahahah, who do you want to put dudes for debts? Those who feed you? Don’t tell my slippers))))))))))))))))))))))
  36. Azeri2012
    Azeri2012 April 30 2012 14: 55
    -4
    I said a thousand times that between us and all, there is a Christian factor, and none of them is Russia, Belarus or Ukraine, will never appreciate what we do. Our oil fund, has done so much in Russia for orphans, hospitals, schools, repaired and for what? So that we are so offended.

    No need to help them. Still appreciate and thank you no one will say.
    1. David
      David April 30 2012 16: 17
      +2
      What do you want?
      To you Turk - Orthodox shoes kissed?
      I don’t know what your oil fund did, but I know how many kilograms of heroin your tribal hucksters sell each month only in the Moscow region.
      So helpers you are notable.
      Just "the light of our eyes")))
      1. synchrophasatron
        synchrophasatron April 30 2012 16: 26
        -3
        Quote: David
        Just "the light of our eyes")))


        At least buy soap, you can’t do it so dry laughing
        1. David
          David April 30 2012 16: 31
          0
          lobster can and dry laughing
          1. Azeri2012
            Azeri2012 April 30 2012 22: 18
            -1
            and you try, then if you stay without an ear, don’t say that I didn’t warn.
            1. David
              David April 30 2012 23: 06
              -2
              lobster.
              you have something "painful" with your ears
              you would have looked at the doctor, maybe it's not too late
  37. SAVA555.IVANOV
    SAVA555.IVANOV April 30 2012 18: 35
    +3
    I would like to ask some militant Azerbaijanis. How do you expect to begin the return of "your territories"? Declare war officially, slowly unwinding hostilities, or another option. By the way, it is not a fact that Turkey, to a certain extent, will be a puppet of the West to help you. And it looks like in a joke about the hero and the snake Gorynych)))) "to fight like this, why yell in the ass"
    1. Kamila
      Kamila April 30 2012 20: 53
      +2
      Quote: SAVA555.IVANOV
      Do you expect to begin the return of "your territories"? Declare war officially


      war to whom ?? Armenia ?? no ... we will liberate our lands on our territory .. against Armenia, attack, no one is going to .... you know, this is the same if you interfere in the affairs of Iran, which wants to deal with its citizens of Azerbaijani nationality of whom there are 30 million, and who suddenly rebelled .. and decided to separate South Azerbaijan from Iran .. yes, of course, we will sympathize, give a note of protest, break off diplomatic relations .. and so on ... but start a war with Iran, unlikely...
      1. SAVA555.IVANOV
        SAVA555.IVANOV April 30 2012 23: 05
        +1
        Quote: Camila
        no ... we will free our land

        And now what are the Azerbaijani military doing in the conflict zone?
        1. Azeri2012
          Azeri2012 April 30 2012 23: 26
          0
          Almost every day, our snipers silk Armenians. Read the news to make sure. And no heights will help them.

          Reduce the number of terrorists.
          1. David
            David April 30 2012 23: 27
            -1
            So brave you
            I mean breasts in accelerants
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay April 30 2012 23: 12
        -3
        Dear Camilla!
        They mean that Armenia will enter the war!
        But you are right !! Even so, all the same, Armenia will be an aggressor and the war will be on our territories anyway!
        There is simply another option that a third party will intervene for Armenia, because in the modern world they have simply put international law and laws! The principle is who is stronger is right!
        Therefore, I support our leadership in the fact that everything should be thought out, prepared and excluded all sorts of risks !!
        Moreover, our financial, economic situation and political influence in the world allows us to calculate and prepare reliably !! and every year it only increases!
        with respect
    2. Azeri2012
      Azeri2012 April 30 2012 22: 29
      -2
      Quote: SAVA555.IVANOV
      I would like to ask some belligerent Azerbaijanis.


      We are listening.

      Quote: SAVA555.IVANOV
      How do you plan to start returning "your territories"?


      How to clean Ukraine from Nazi dishonesty? Here we are, if we don’t return for good, we will have to solve this issue by the whole country by military means.

      Quote: SAVA555.IVANOV
      Formally declare war, slowly untwisting hostilities, or another option.


      My dear, we have effective methods that are now being used on a grand scale, in part it is even beneficial for the Kremlin.
      We are strangling them economically. The blocking of borders, led to the fact that their economy is falling apart, Russia contains them, their dreams that Russia would write off debts were unsuccessful. BTW, Armenians have repeatedly blamed Russia on forums because Russia seems to be helping, but also takes it in exchange for friendship. This is one gimp.

      You can say the Patrizan war is on two sides. They die on both sides, only there is one but. Armenians are already in their army, forcibly, I repeat, forcibly shoving citizens of other countries. Moreover, as beggars, they extort money. And every day, the number of Armenians decreases. Our snipers, 2 days ago, laid down 3 Armenians, the military. And so once a week, not many soldiers die. From this their president is furious. People are afraid to serve. So this is the 2nd method.

      And when certain answers to our questions are already reached, we will begin the war. Armenians will run away without Russia, the question is how to bribe Russia so that they do not fit. And they, in turn, do not want to lose an outpost.

      The Kremlin on the Armenians somehow to the point. The main national interests.
      1. David
        David April 30 2012 22: 59
        0
        What a cheap lobster you are ...
        1. Azeri2012
          Azeri2012 April 30 2012 23: 16
          -2
          Quote: David
          What a cheap lobster you are ...




          Do you know the real cheap stuff? That’s who desovki and also 10 bucks. Every time you kiss a haiku, you find out her story, and suddenly one of the deshovki from Turkey, otherwise I’m afraid, as it were, you know later, the taste of the Turkish penny stays in the hai lips for a long time.

          So the cheap stuff is you and your fellow tribesmen who shout TURKEY ENEMIES, TURKISH SCUMBERS, and Turkish for 10 bucks do not mind trying.
          1. David
            David April 30 2012 23: 18
            -1
            Alibek.
            Aren't you ashamed of such "sons of the nest" of Ilham?
            1. Azeri2012
              Azeri2012 April 30 2012 23: 29
              -1
              Quote: David
              Alibek.
              Aren't you ashamed of such "sons of the nest" of Ilham?


              and YOU are not ashamed that your FATHER of the nation Andronic built his fame on betrayal while losing his ear?

              Aren't you ashamed of shouting that the Turks are our enemies and your tribesmen taste the Turkish cucumber every day?

              Aren't you ashamed that you are enslaved to the Kremlin?

              Aren't you ashamed that, in your parade, there were Russian tanks in the country, supposedly independent and sovereign?

              You were not ashamed at the parade of your monks forward with crosses allowed ... handsome men go on a crusade?)))))))))))))))))))))))))
              1. David
                David April 30 2012 23: 31
                0
                You are possessed, by golly))
            2. Yarbay
              Yarbay April 30 2012 23: 47
              -2
              If you mean the President of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev, then I am proud that in my country such a highly educated and competent PRESIDENT !!
              Rude to your shoemakers!
              1. Azeri2012
                Azeri2012 April 30 2012 23: 53
                +1
                Quote: Yarbay
                Rude to your shoemakers!

                and not just a shoemaker. there are only killers and terrorists.
              2. David
                David 1 May 2012 00: 10
                -1
                I mean, are you ashamed of the insanity of the lobster.
                he sinks to such a low that does not cause anything besides contempt
                1. Azeri2012
                  Azeri2012 1 May 2012 00: 47
                  +4
                  Quote: David
                  he sinks to such a low that does not cause anything besides contempt


                  Yes Omar violet on your contempt. For a long time we had to become the way you see me, and did not stand on ceremony about the friendship of peoples, then you would not dare attack us. You have taken advantage of our simplicity and hospitality.

                  And now every Azerbaijanian hates you.
                  1. David
                    David 1 May 2012 01: 20
                    -3
                    You're straight Patrice Lumumba)))))))))))))))))
    3. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 30 2012 22: 34
      -1
      Sava did not want to answer your rudeness !!
      I will say that I am not a supporter of high-sounding statements and all that !!
      But I assure you on our own behalf and on behalf of our comrades that we are not counting on anyone's help !! Not Turkey and not Russia and no one else !!
      We look forward to the order of the Supreme Commander !!
      1. Azeri2012
        Azeri2012 April 30 2012 22: 38
        -2
        Quote: Yarbay
        We look forward to the order of the Supreme Commander !!


        and we’ll prepare for the fact that the Khai will scream about genocide. Almost so, they shout shahsi genocide.

        Their number will decrease so that they end up in the Red Book as an endangered species.
      2. SAVA555.IVANOV
        SAVA555.IVANOV April 30 2012 23: 18
        0
        Quote: Yarbay
        We look forward to the order of the Supreme Commander !!

        For Azerbaijan, this will be a total war, that is, women and children? Or only the military. Armenia itself will also be attacked? Or Karabakh will be a battlefield, so to speak.

        Quote: Yarbay
        Sava did not want to answer your rudeness!

        My seeming rudeness (is it about an anecdote or what?) Is based on the "foundation" of constant (perhaps not yours) insults to Russian women. Although it was a joke (they sometimes slip in the communication of men)))))
        1. Azeri2012
          Azeri2012 April 30 2012 23: 34
          0
          Quote: SAVA555.IVANOV
          For Azerbaijan, this will be a total war, that is, women and children?


          we have drugs calculated to almost 110. So there is no need for a total war.

          Quote: SAVA555.IVANOV
          Will Armenia itself be attacked too?

          Only if they attack Nakhchivan. And so we fight only for our land, for our home, for our KARA (BLACK) BACH (GARDEN).

          Quote: SAVA555.IVANOV
          Or Karabakh will be a battlefield, so to speak.

          Absolutely right.
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay April 30 2012 23: 57
          -1
          Sava I want you to know one thing, I don’t know what insults you are writing about Russian women, but I’ll tell you my position!
          For this, a person receives education in order to know where and how to behave !!
          If someone offended you, then answer him! Moreover, here I did not see anyone writing bad things about Russian women!
          And you write to everyone !!
          but for God's sake, do what you want to know better and you live with it !!
          I didn’t understand the question about women and children!
          But I’ll say that the valiant Azerbaijani army does not fight women and children, and you will never find confirmation to the contrary!
          and if it’s about us, then naturally it’s not women, and even more so no children in our army are fighting!
          I’ve answered about the battlefield, I’ll answer again - we’ll liberate Karabakh and the surrounding areas, we don’t need someone else’s !! Speaking of someone else, I mean international law!
          Although it would be worth as the USSR in the 45th to get to Yerevan and all war criminals to detain and transfer to the Hague tribunal!
          But this is my opinion!
  38. dld35057
    dld35057 April 30 2012 23: 16
    +3
    Azrail2012 you are very hot dzhigit. the essence of the article is delusional presentation of Russia. and you just really want to wave the scimitar. it's stupid, of course it's easy to die in 20 years because naive and teenage maximalism. and the point is not in the radar.
    1. Azeri2012
      Azeri2012 April 30 2012 23: 31
      +1
      Quote: dld35057
      Azrail2012 you are very hot dzhigit.


      Alas, my work does not allow me to become a real Dzhigits at the moment, I look with envy at our guys who are at the forefront. Which, at the opportunity, the Indian sign is placed on the forehead of Armenian terrorists.

      Believe me, what is happening now with regard to Russia and Azerbaijan is the result of their own policy.
      1. David
        David April 30 2012 23: 33
        0
        Only the eggs interfere with a bad dancer)))))))))))))))))
  39. Azeri2012
    Azeri2012 April 30 2012 23: 37
    +1
    Quote: David
    Only the eggs interfere with a bad dancer)))))))))))))))))

    We use our eggs in TURKEY. And so we keep it to ourselves.
  40. dld35057
    dld35057 1 May 2012 00: 16
    +2
    azrail 2012 you are already designated. who are you. what are you here for.
    1. Azeri2012
      Azeri2012 1 May 2012 00: 52
      -1
      Quote: dld35057
      azrail 2012

      Dear, in my opinion you need glasses. Don't you think?
      Quote: dld35057
      You are already designated. who are you. what are you here for

      And what will change if I say who I am and what I do here? And why does it bother you so much? But by and large, I ask you what are you doing here?

      Although I’ll say who I am. I'm the one who is telling the truth. In the face. As ungrateful as you.

  41. kNow
    kNow 21 May 2012 08: 07
    +1
    The son of a Russian serviceman from the Daryal station is learning horse riding winked Gabala
    1. SAVA555.IVANOV
      SAVA555.IVANOV 21 May 2012 09: 57
      -1
      So take an example from a young guy how to behave in foreign countries))
  42. army of turan
    army of turan 20 May 2014 06: 40
    0
    Quote: SAVA555.IVANOV
    Yarbay and others To what ultimate goal do you want to bring your country ?? You claim something like that "we are one people with the Turks." Are you not afraid that someday someone will bring a split and eternal conflict into your relations with Turkey and on what rights you will be with the Turks. As Kurds? Will it not work out as in the saying "Gathered and had fun, considered weeping"?
    Turkey itself is a guest on the lands where she is now and sooner or later she will have territorial problems


    Respected! We are Turks, not Slovyans who exterminate each other. We love freedom and our country has a free policy. Differences from some countries (your close ally) we do not ask for a feed from Russia.