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Russian "Dead Hand"? It does not exist!

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“There can be no personal computer. There may be a personal car, personal pension, personal cottage. Do you even know what a computer is? The mainframe is 100 square meters, 25 maintenance personnel and 30 liters of alcohol per month! ”

N.V. Gorshkov, Chairman of the USSR State Committee for Computer Science and Informatics, 1980

Deputy The minister of the radio industry, of course, exaggerated, but the overall level of electronics of that era is beyond doubt. To the extreme, primitive from the point of view of our time. The first domestic personal computer "Agat" (1984) is the bit width of 8 bits, the clock frequency is 1 MHz, the memory capacity of tens of KB is thousands, tens of thousands of times weaker than modern smartphones. In the depths of the military bunkers there must have been more productive "computing centers", but the possibilities were still limited. The level of technology began 80-x uniquely set the computer as a bulky machine with a ridiculous performance by today's standards.

At the hour of “X”, suddenly a wise computer would suddenly show signs of artificial intelligence. She was able to reliably analyze telemetry from the posts of the Strategic Missile Forces, the level of radiation and seismic activity in different parts of the country, the intensity of negotiations at military frequencies, the occurrence of point sources of ionizing and electromagnetic radiation at key coordinates (relevant strategically important objects in the USSR) and, having seen the death of all people who were in the bunker would independently make a decision on delivering a nuclear retaliatory strike!

This describes the principle of the “Perimeter” system. The Soviet “skynet”, the dead hand on the nuclear button, the “immoral” invention of the military. According to rumors, it was put on alert in 1985-86.

Before you argue about morality, you first need to find out whether such a machine existed?

In this stories too many discrepancies. In sources, including close to the official, there is a detailed description of the device command rocket, incl. GRAU indices, photographs and technical characteristics of its components are disclosed.

But it hardly reaches the “Doomsday Machine” (the main, according to the public, component of “Perimeter”), dead silence reigns. Sources (books, monographs, statements by officials) who previously described the rocket eagerly, do not say anything about a system capable of making decisions automatically. Nothing at all.

You will think about secrecy. Where was the secrecy, when told in detail about the command rocket?

Silence looks suspicious against the background of the world presentations of Avangard, Sarmat or the Voronezh radar radar systems, which reveal the appearance and main characteristics of these systems.

Much is known about the structure of the Strategic Missile Forces and the missile attack warning system. The press openly talk about the system "Kazbek" (nuclear briefcase); at least, one can grasp the general meaning: several people from the country's top leadership have the opportunity, using the mobile terminals of Kazbek, to trigger the nuclear arsenal of Russia.

Known in general terms, the composition of the space group SPRN "Eye". At least, no one tries to hide the number, type of orbit, and even the military designations of satellites.

In the open press, you can find, for example, the following data: in December of the 1990 of the year in the 8 th rocket division (smt. Yurya) a regiment (commander - Colonel S.I. Arzamastsev) took up combat duty with a modernized missile system called the "Perimeter-RC", which includes a command missile, created on the basis of the ICBM RT-2PM Topol.

What about “Dead Hand”? No

Publications, referring to each other, reprint the same set of phrases about “supercomputer” and “complex sensor system”. Let me know the source?

The only one who spoke about the “Doomsday Machine” as a ready-made, adopted system, was a retired colonel V.Ye. Yarynich, with 2001, a professor at the University of California San Bernardino. The same excerpt from his interview is given in each article on the “Perimeter”. And more ... And nothing more.

The tale has gained incredible success. In the best laws of the genre: and mysticism, and blood, and horrors.



Against the background of the bloated “sensation”, the statements of other scientists passed unnoticed.

In 1993, the former. Viktor Surikov, deputy director of TsNIIMASH, said that in the USSR they thought about creating an automatic launch system based on seismic, light and radiation sensors, but noted that the project was ultimately rejected by Marshal Sergey Akhromeyev and was never put into practice.

A bold dream, turned by the efforts of journalists into a “sensational news".

If you look at things in a logical plane, then one of the main damaging factors of a nuclear explosion is always called an electromagnetic pulse, disabling electronics. How did the cumbersome 1970-80 x development computers. could have sufficient combat stability in a nuclear war?

Suppose an invulnerable computer can survive a blow. Absurd, but oh well. The whole “dead hand” story is absurd.

Suppose a computer in a bunker survived. But what will remain of the “complex system of sensory sensors on the surface for measuring seismic activity, air pressure and radiation,” over a large area?

Try to estimate the probability of a direct hit of ABC in the area where the bunker with the electronic components of the “Dead Hand” is located. The probability is the same as for the other command posts of the Strategic Missile Forces.

As you can see, I deliberately do not mention the name “Perimeter” here. Because a system with such a name really existed, but performed a completely different task.

Outdated backup at the moment communication system The Strategic Missile Forces, about which its creators are not ashamed to speak.

“Perimeter” (index URV Strategic Missile Forces - 15E60) was designed to ensure that combat orders from the highest levels of command (General Headquarters of the Armed Forces, Administration of the Strategic Missile Forces) were sent to command posts and individual launchers of strategic missiles in the event of damage to the main lines of communication.

The essence of the invention - radio transmitter mounted on a ballistic missile: flying over the territory of the USSR, the command rocket transmitted the signal about the beginning of the war to separate command posts and launchers of ICBMs.

The main scientific achievement in the process of creating a “repeater rocket” is to ensure reliable reception of a signal from an ICBM flying in near space, in the absence of a stable (and even reference) orbit.

The command missiles of the 15P011 “Perimeter” complex, having the 15А11 index, were developed by the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau based on the 15А16 missiles (MR УР-100У). Equipped with a special head 15B99, containing radio engineering command system developed by the OKB LPI, designed to ensure that the combat orders of the central command post are sent to all command posts and launchers under the conditions of exposure to nuclear explosions and active radio-electronic countermeasures, during the flight of the warhead in the passive trajectory section. The technical operation of the missiles is identical to the operation of the 15А16 rocket. The 15P716 launcher is a mine, automated, highly protected, OS type, most likely an upgraded OS-84 PU. Do not exclude the possibility of basing missiles in other types of launch pits. Development of a command missile launched by the TTT Ministry of Defense in 1974 year. Flight design tests were conducted at NIIP-5 (Baikonur) from 1979 to 1986. A total of 7 launches were conducted (of which 6 was successful and 1 was partially successful). Mass of warheads 15B99 - 1412 kg.

Missiles and spacecraft design office "Yuzhnoye" / Under the general ed. S.N. Konyukhova, 2001.

An image of the command missile 15А11 is always attached to each material devoted to the “Perimeter”.

Russian "Dead Hand"? It does not exist!


As for the popular legend about “computer-killer”, the majority of materials focuses precisely on “automatic decision making”. Neither the authors nor the public at all think that the stated topic and the argument (a detailed description of the command rocket) do not correspond to each other. "Today we will study physics, so let's talk about chemistry."

Nobody thinks about the possibility of creating such a developed computer center with AI signs on the Soviet element base of the end of 70-x - the beginning of 80-x.

None of the combat survivability of the system and its components (located on the surface of the sensors and data transmission channels with a length of hundreds, if not thousands of kilometers) in a nuclear war.

Not about the very meaning of the existence of a “dead hand”: after all, the operability of communication systems also means the existence of a connection between command posts, which enables the military to make decisions about a strike without the help of any machine.

Sometimes the argument is “American equivalent” - AN / DRC-8 Emergency Rocket Communications System, which really was a direct analog of the Soviet “Perimeter”. In technical terms, the complex consisted of missile transmitters assembled on the basis of the Minuteman-2 ICBM, and, of course, had nothing to do with “killer computers”. The illustration shows the head of the command rocket. The ERCS system was removed from combat duty in 1991.



You will not believe! But in the USA there existed its own analogue of the “dead hand”. Unfortunately for fans of martial arts fiction, the Looking Glass system looked extremely primitive, despite all the achievements of Apple, Microsoft and IBM.

In an effort to prevent the destruction of stationary command posts by a preemptive strike, the Americans dispersed control, organizing additional (reserve) command posts on board the aircraft. EC-135C, continuously replacing each other, spent years in the air 29. The last “Doomsday Plane” landed on July 24 1990 of the year.

Currently, the UK has its own “dead hand”. On board the submarines with ballistic missiles (SSBN) stored sealed letter to the Prime Minister with instructions for a nuclear war. The exact content of the letter remains a secret, experts only voiced speculation. Among the most reasonable assumptions are considered: a retaliatory nuclear strike, refusal to strike, actions of the commander at his own discretion, or transfer under the command of the allies.

conclusions

Doubts about the existence of the “Dead Hand” as an automatic decision-making complex will certainly cause a wave of criticism among those who are used to believing this legend. I just wish the criticism was reasonable.

After all, in fact, the only confirmation of the “Dead Hand” is an unofficial interview with Wired magazine. Everything else is his endless interpretations in the absence of other evidence. Nothing is known about the mythical system, and its principle of operation and the need for existence contradict both the known facts about the Strategic Missile Forces and the capabilities of the 1970-80-x computers.

Gentlemen, sleep well!
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  1. 210ox
    210ox April 9 2018 05: 39
    +35
    Butter ... But who generally spoke about the supercomputer that made the decision ... Kaptsov, dear, you probably came up with this yourself ... In my opinion, when they talked about the so-called dead hand, a missile with a relay was meant.
    1. DrVintorez
      DrVintorez April 9 2018 05: 51
      +51
      Sai invented, he himself inflated, he himself denied, well done! This is Oleg, what else can I say.
      1. Basil50
        Basil50 April 9 2018 10: 25
        +14
        No matter how you watch a movie with the tombs of the past, it’s sure that traps or doors there are so cunning made by the devil knows when, but they are still active.
        It is surprising that modern technologies are denied the same monumental structures with faithfully serving mechanisms.
        The fact that * the perimeter * or * the dead hand * simply must exist a priori follows from the very idea of ​​missile weapons. The fact that teams pass automatically to an instant threat is also justified.
        I believe that there is a system that tracks the attack on RUSSIA and which can avenge both my family and friends and my fellow citizens in the event of an attack. And how exactly this works is not so important for me. Let this system be constantly improved and duplicated.
        It is important that a system capable of punishing the aggressor must exist.
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal April 10 2018 07: 30
          +1
          Quote: Vasily50
          I believe that there is a system that tracks the attack on RUSSIA and which can avenge both my family and friends and my fellow citizens in the event of an attack. And how exactly this works is not so important for me. Let this system be constantly improved and duplicated.
          It is important that a system capable of punishing the aggressor must exist.

          “I believe” and “must exist” is the most important reflection of the true state of things, right? Some, for example, believe in a flat Earth)
          1. hamster1979
            hamster1979 April 12 2018 15: 12
            +2
            How much bullshit is fouled by the author of the article either. Yes, you do not need any mega-supercomputers to run a dead hand. It is necessary on the contrary - in time to make the abolition of retaliation. Most likely the system represents itself a simple system for canceling the launch - on wires, with a bunch of duplicate circuits. This system is neutralized a certain number of times at special command posts. In the case of their destruction / disposal - and the launch occurs. Therefore, it is called a dead hand. Which during life compresses a grenade with a drawn check.
      2. Bad_santa
        Bad_santa April 14 2018 21: 14
        0
        I read only the beginning and immediately realized what kind of author an amateur was in this area! There the simplest algorithm for checking several parameters with reference parameters and outputting the result. Moreover, several algorithms are duplicated for a more accurate result. Any novice programmer will create such an algorithm in 5 minutes. The whole point lies not in computing power, but in a multi-stage verification of the results. To run this program, the most primitive tube computer would be enough. In short, the article is just complete slag
    2. Ascetic
      Ascetic April 9 2018 10: 37
      +16
      Quote: 210ox
      In my opinion, when they talked about the "so-called dead hand", a command missile with a repeater was meant.

      Who served in the Strategic Missile Forces knows what RBU is ...
      there are separate missiles with warheads, there are missiles with special warheads. The "perimeter" was deployed initially in the mine version in the PR of the 7th division and in the mobile version - the Gorn command missiles in the position area of ​​the 32nd division.
      After the removal of the 15A11 missiles, they were replaced by the Siren 15Zh75 (15Yu75) missile. If the memory does not change to 8rd. They also planned to change or modernize it, as well as the ACC.
      Of all the compounds where there were command missiles, probably only Yurya remained
      1. megadeth
        megadeth April 9 2018 11: 24
        +31
        I know and was on duty at the "Perimeter" system (Strait call sign for those who are in the subject), you are closest to the truth by product indexes and true numbers of compounds and parts. The author just somewhere that he heard something and drunk read, do not take to heart.
        And so the advice is not included in the discussion, maybe information from you ..
        1. Colonel
          Colonel April 9 2018 12: 11
          +13
          Quote: megadeth
          maybe from you information ..

          I suppose that for this and the article. The people must get angry and say too much.
          1. JIaIIoTb
            JIaIIoTb April 9 2018 12: 35
            +12
            I'm afraid Koptsov will believe in the perimeter only when the "dead hand" takes it for something laughing
        2. Ascetic
          Ascetic April 9 2018 15: 05
          +4
          Quote: megadeth
          call sign Strait for those in the subject),

          The strait controls Erosia so it will be more accurate.
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA April 9 2018 20: 17
            +3
            Quote: Ascetic
            The strait controls Erosia so it will be more accurate.

            Hmm ...
            1. Andrey Skokovsky
              Andrey Skokovsky April 10 2018 00: 38
              +2
              article in the hope that someone will chatter something new on the topic
            2. Svyatoslav
              Svyatoslav April 11 2018 16: 34
              +1
              Gentlemen officers! Keep silent !!!
              And then you have already said such things here that you confused all Nicaraguan intelligence ... They raked everything in a heap, confusing objects and subjects.
              The article is provocative. Who has served knows.
        3. Slavs
          Slavs April 9 2018 19: 14
          +9
          Exactly. And I have a feeling that they are pulling into a discussion ... Tricky but not new)) Chatterbox is a godsend for a spy! (as there are not enough of these posters) Yes, there was nothing, dear author, and no.)) Tokmo boots, balalaika and vodka))
          1. atakan
            atakan April 10 2018 00: 57
            +2
            On this topic, the legs grow from the same place where the articles appeared that the nuclear winter does not exist, and radioactive radiation is not dangerous and disappears very quickly in a week.
            This complacency for the people here and here.
            And the equipment under the "Perimeter" somehow appeared on the public procurement website eight years ago.
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA April 10 2018 09: 57
              +1
              Quote: atakan
              And the equipment under the "Perimeter" somehow appeared on the public procurement website eight years ago.

              EMNIP, the extension of the service life of command missiles of the system was lit. The very system about which EBN in 1995 stated that it had been removed from combat duty. smile
          2. Akuzenka
            Akuzenka April 12 2018 12: 45
            +1
            I do not have anything to do with the Strategic Missile Forces, an officer of the Russian Chemical Safety Base, in reserve, but the author’s nearness is simply ridiculous. The knowledge of a graduate of a secondary Soviet school is enough to understand that AI and “heavy duty computers” are not required at all. That the extreme readings of the sensors and the instantaneous loss of connection with most of them is also a sign, and there are ... thousands of such signs. In style, the author resembles a rezun.
            1. your1970
              your1970 April 13 2018 11: 02
              0
              enough simultaneous burst of readings of hundreds of sensors in Moscow / St. Petersburg / Ekb ( notorious targets for attack !!) and simultaneous loss of contact with them plus the cessation of the operation of radio and television transmitters
              If at the same time the bulk of the hanging towers in large cities ceased to work and cellular communications disappeared, what can this be said about except as an attack on nuclear weapons ??
              and you can press the buttons manually in the bunker
    3. NEXUS
      NEXUS April 9 2018 11: 41
      +15
      Quote: 210ox
      Butter oil ..

      I read the entire article, although it was immediately clear who the author was. Reading articles by this author, over and over again I come to the conclusion that a person was not born in the USSR. Praising Zamvoly, F-35s, etc., domestic, he often watered with open slop with the appearance of a great connoisseur.
      Now, according to the article, one statement by the author
      The only one who spoke about the “Doomsday Machine” as a ready-made, adopted system, was a retired colonel V.Ye. Yarynich, with 2001, a professor at the University of California San Bernardino. The same excerpt from his interview is given in each article on the “Perimeter”. And more ... And nothing more.

      It would be very strange if the existence of the Perimeter (the Russian name for the system) were spoken at all levels of the Kremlin, including the supreme one. As for the presentation of Vanguard, Sarmatia, etc. ... some characteristics were voiced in order to convey to the adversary that his missile defense was not effective from that moment on. Some secret data was not issued.
      The most important thing in the Perimeter for an adversary is the realization that it is. That is, the adversary clearly understands that in the event of an attack on us, the retaliatory strike will be GUARANTEED.
      And the reasoning about what kind of processor, power, cleanliness is there ... is from the same story as spaceships plow the expanses of the universe ... by the way, in 88 there was a Buran flight, and this aircraft did not interfere with this flight with autonomous landing with strong crosswind.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 9 2018 20: 34
        0
        Yes, without super-perimeters and hemp, it’s clear that all the Strategic Missile Forces missiles, now except 360 cruise missiles, cannot be destroyed with the first strike, and until the second, the warheads will already be in orbit.
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  2. spektr9
    spektr9 April 9 2018 05: 57
    +56
    Hmm, the author would not hurt you to get acquainted with the capabilities of the processors of the 80s ... Read about 8086, find out how these processors were used in the space span of the same shuttles, or with a completely autonomous flight of a snowstorm, otherwise you clearly have a rather false idea about computer development
    “At“ X ”, a suddenly wiser computer would suddenly show signs of artificial intelligence. It could reliably analyze telemetry from the Strategic Missile Forces posts, the level of radiation and seismic activity in different parts of the country, the intensity of negotiations at military frequencies, the occurrence of point sources of ionizing and electromagnetic radiation from "to key coordinates (corresponding to strategically important objects on the territory of the USSR) and, having made sure of the deaths of all the people in the bunker, I would have independently decided to launch a retaliatory nuclear strike!" - Do you really think that for analysis, the readings of the sensors and the launch of the missiles according to the goals indicated in advance require AI? I dare to upset you, 8086 will be abundant for such a task.
    Well, the rest of the article in the same spirit, far-fetched thoughts ...
    1. Ren
      Ren April 9 2018 06: 44
      +16
      Quote: spektr9
      Hmm, the author would not hurt you to get acquainted with the capabilities of processors of the 80s ...

      I will support you!
      Even the development of the 60s (BESM-6, serial production since 1968) had:
      Average speed - 1 million unicast commands / s;
      The word length is 48 binary digits and two control digits;
      Representation of numbers - with a floating point;
      Operating frequency - 10 MHz;
      RAM on ferrite cores - up to 128 Kb of 50-bit words.
      The operation of the RAM modules, control device and arithmetic-logic device in BESM-6 was carried out in parallel and asynchronously, due to the presence of buffer devices for intermediate storage of commands and data. To speed up pipelined execution of commands, a separate register index storage memory and a separate address arithmetic module were provided in the control device, which provides fast modification of addresses using index registers, including stack access mode

      And there were 5E26, Series M (M-220, M-20, M-40, M-50 (last lamp), etc.), Setun (ternary computers), Series "Ural", Series "Minsk", Series "Nairi", "Arrow", series "Elbrus".
      BESM-6 was in many EC (for example, in the Academy (Novosibirsk)). hi
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 9 2018 09: 51
        +10
        "Elbrus" is the fastest and it has been installed since the beginning of the 80s .... but where it was not installed! Swam, rode, buried beneath the ground !!! Mozh just did not fly into space, but was present very near!
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic April 9 2018 10: 46
          +9
          Quote: rocket757
          Elbrus "is the fastest and it has been installed since the beginning of the 80s .... but where it just wasn’t installed! Swam, traveled, burrowed into the ground !!! We couldn’t fly into space, but it was very present!

          Only now it is being changed at the Moscow ABM compound! How many years has served faithfully and truly by providing algorithms for the combat programs of a unique system
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 April 9 2018 11: 17
            +5
            At the beginning of 90, "Elbrus 2" was ready, faster, more powerful with the best means of communication and control at that time !!! did not go, did not give ....
      2. andj61
        andj61 April 9 2018 10: 39
        +12
        There is not even a question about the capabilities of computer technology. Define an algorithm for periodic polling of command posts and decision centers (mutual polls are possible here), installed stationary radiation sensors, etc. Further, a purely logical task - signals from all other command posts and control centers ceased to come, plus increased radiation or the absence of signals from radiation sensors - and after, for example, 8 polls, and after, for example, 4 months, a response command is given. It can be canceled - also set the criteria. For this task, no special computing power is required - everything is at the level of a computer complex, for example, the S-200 air defense system - only a little memory needs to be added, and a slightly larger number of logical chains. And this technique was originally generally performed on transistors! And that, what dear Oleg Kaptsov declares, let it remain so.
        Doubts about the existence of the “Dead Hand” as an automatic decision-making complex will certainly cause a wave of criticism among those who are used to believing this legend. I just wish the criticism was reasonable.
        After all, in fact, the only confirmation of the “Dead Hand” is an unofficial interview with Wired magazine. Everything else is his endless interpretations in the absence of other evidence. Nothing is known about the mythical system, and its principle of operation and the need for existence contradict both the known facts about the Strategic Missile Forces and the capabilities of the 1970-80-x computers.
        Gentlemen, sleep well!

        Complacency potential bully the enemy is also useful! Moreover, they will not believe this and will think to the end - why the hell is not joking, what if this system really exists? what
        Risk the most expensive repeat for the ghostly hope of destroying a country that is the only obstacle in the world for the hegemon? It is unlikely that anyone in their right mind would go for it! hi
        1. user
          user April 9 2018 20: 14
          +4
          There is not even a question about the capabilities of computer technology.


          The capabilities of BT in this article are not even discussed, the author focuses everyone on modern software, i.e. not even in programming languages, but in universal software systems to facilitate and accelerate the creation of a software product that includes the ability (by default) to visualize all processes. That requires an increase in the consumption of resources of the computing complex, not even an order of magnitude but an order of magnitude N. If someone forgot, the first ATs had a 20 megabyte hard drive, and if I dig more, I now remember Saratov 2M with a 12-bit processor and 2 KB of RAM. All software was written in machine codes and allowed to work at such capacities. And what is interesting in what kind of work is the verification of microcircuits of 155, 555, 573 series at the output of production.
          Which, in principle, is not much different from the above task.

          I wrote this for owners of telephone devices with RAM 4-6 GB. and memory 64-128 GB. that for today is already becoming the norm.
      3. Des10
        Des10 April 9 2018 12: 50
        0
        Quote: Ren
        series "Elbrus".

        it’s not quite that, and our series - so, borrowed. smile
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 April 9 2018 13: 06
          +4
          What did you borrow? Who borrowed from? How did you borrow it?
          Facts, dates, surnames of agents, who committed this? How did you get this here?
        2. BAI
          BAI April 9 2018 16: 25
          +3
          Elbrus - just ours, borrowed a series of EU.
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            1. rocket757
              rocket757 April 9 2018 22: 09
              +3
              It is dangerous to forget your history, the achievements and losses through which our great people went!
              So you can lose a sense of respect for your country, not far from there and to the loss of the country itself.
      4. StVahmistr
        StVahmistr April 13 2018 09: 09
        +1
        RAM on ferrite cores

        I still have a piece of such memory lying around somewhere. Cores (rings) are so small that they can hardly be used in DIY crafts.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 April 13 2018 11: 13
          +3
          All right! Ferrite elements were wound around a special machine! Cells were assembled almost by hand, that's it!
    2. genius-f
      genius-f April 9 2018 11: 42
      +4
      If you don’t pull videos from YouTube and don’t play toys, then networks from microcontrollers like those that are now put into coffee makers and refrigerators may well be enough.
      It depends on how you implement it. And AI is not necessary at all.
    3. Winnie76
      Winnie76 April 9 2018 12: 42
      +5
      Do you need a computer here at all? Gathered all the sensors in the chain and good bye ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 9 2018 13: 08
        +3
        There is such an opinion! Who will confirm, who will refute?
        No one knows for sure, doesn’t say anything for sure!
        But still, such sensors cannot start such a complicated process! There is a control device, there is an executive, something that binds, controls IS!
    4. your1970
      your1970 April 13 2018 11: 23
      0
      the voyager has been flying for thirty years, the devils have gone somewhere, the computer is still working and the system can be controlled
  3. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee April 9 2018 06: 00
    +12
    In 87, I mounted a data center and a communications center in the border district. And the computers were already standing, I don’t know the brand, I was closer to radio communications. But I didn’t see 30 liters of sew!
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 April 9 2018 07: 03
      +5
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      But I didn’t see 30 liters of sew!

      Drank and go already! laughing
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee April 9 2018 07: 10
        +2
        I did not get it! crying
      2. Bad_santa
        Bad_santa April 14 2018 21: 21
        0
        They don’t drink alcohol in the army! It evaporates, the infection ...
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I April 9 2018 09: 45
      +5
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      On 30 l sewed I did not see!

      The supply manager at the warehouse and more happened! And so ... 30 was not 30, but they gave out alcohol! And it was "nice" ... especially during the "Gorbachev Prohibition"!
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee April 9 2018 09: 52
        +1
        30 not 30, but three liters for the installation of the radar always received in the squad! drinks
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I April 9 2018 10: 21
          +5
          Duc ... it happened differently! If in the army, then he received alcohol (he also gave out ...) “father-commander” ... it happened as follows: in the evening, “father-commander” came to the communication center, the seal on the safe was opened (about which an entry was made in the journal ), a liter of alcohol was placed in the delivered container, plus 200 gr was poured. the duty signalman with the words: "on the equipment" ... On the "citizen" it was easier-I got alcohol myself ... I got a lot of alcohol when I became the head of the communications center and KMT ...
    3. rocket757
      rocket757 April 9 2018 09: 52
      +2
      The border guards identity "Elbrus" set in the year that way ??? I forgot, it was a long time!
      By the way, there was a lot of sewing, it was true that it interfered with gasoline, so it was problematic to wipe with a thin layer!
    4. StVahmistr
      StVahmistr April 13 2018 09: 12
      +1
      But I didn’t see 30 liters of sew!
      wassat We were allocated three liters per month. But by the end of the month it was still oyoyoy! lol And the machine was the EU EVMHHHH. I don’t remember the numbers. There were two Japanese air conditioners in one room. His panels were mounted on soft mannits, which after some time remained 20%, lol but the panels held on.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 13 2018 11: 19
        +2
        Of course, I saw the EU and older cars, too, such as "BESM 6", then we changed them to "ELBRUS"!
        The border guards had the EU, and the rocket launchers still had the BESM 6.
  4. Amateur
    Amateur April 9 2018 06: 17
    +4
    And in 1974 I worked as a student (considered) on the computer "MIR" (Engineering Calculations Machine), the language ALMIR (Russian ALGOL). And there was that machine the size of a single-boarded writing desk with an electric writing machine and a punch tape input device the size of a home toaster and a puncher on a tape of the same size. True, she did not play Tetris and cards.
    1. 210ox
      210ox April 9 2018 06: 35
      +5
      Yes, I recall. The truth was that we had a Nairi With a Consul typewriter on the table. And with a system assistant on the side of the floor. It’s the size of a small cupboard.
      Quote: Amateur
      And in 1974 I worked as a student (considered) on the computer "MIR" (Engineering Calculations Machine), the language ALMIR (Russian ALGOL). And there was that machine the size of a single-boarded writing desk with an electric writing machine and a punch tape input device the size of a home toaster and a puncher on a tape of the same size. True, she did not play Tetris and cards.
      1. Des10
        Des10 April 9 2018 12: 53
        +1
        Quote: 210ox
        we had Nairi

        and we had, in Armenian understood, and so - no laughing
    2. sxfRipper
      sxfRipper April 9 2018 09: 58
      +2
      And in 1974, I worked as a student (considered) on the MIR computer (Engineering Calculations Machine), the language ALMIR
      I - a little later, in 76-77 years drinks
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 9 2018 10: 12
        +4
        Consul, teletype is cool, noisy, he started setting up printers in the late 70s, not a laser, of course, but he made a noise quietly, hissing!
        1. AUL
          AUL April 9 2018 19: 45
          +3
          I started at 71 as a software engineer at Nairi-2. Pravda.Even after the army, where he communicated ad libitum with a specialized computer ACS of the Air Defense Army (Dimension system). So this special computer for its resources could well pull the functions of the Perimeter! In vain, dear Kaptsov, it casts a shadow on the fence!
        2. StVahmistr
          StVahmistr April 13 2018 09: 20
          0
          not a laser, of course, but he made a quiet noise, hissing!
          When I was standing ATsPU128, a jackhammer ....
  5. zyzx
    zyzx April 9 2018 06: 25
    +15
    Author, where are you from? I hear a ring, but I don’t know where he is. For example, the sighting computer of a K-50 helicopter has 256 kilobytes of RAM, and it’s enough. This emoji poop needs gigs of 6 operatives and a multi-Hz processor.
  6. Babalaykin
    Babalaykin April 9 2018 06: 36
    +14
    Once again, the author is recognized in the third paragraph.

    If they talk about an outdated communication system, then it is no longer used and it has sunk into oblivion, it has been replaced by a modern communication system.

    Perimeter algorithms need ridiculous powers, it would not be difficult to implement them in the 80s, another thing is that most likely this system is turned off by default while it’s quiet.
    1. Mestny
      Mestny April 9 2018 09: 53
      +9
      The most interesting thing is that it cannot be turned off.
      Here the principle is precisely in terms of the aggregate termination of the flow of information from various sensors, and the loss of communication, this thing will work.
      Algorithms as you see are very simple.
      Finally, this author wrote in a topic that I personally have a good understanding of.
      Judging by the content - this is really a stream of incompetent slops.
      Now, on this basis, we can finally draw a conclusion - everything written by this author in other topics is exactly the same illiterate slop.
    2. Ascetic
      Ascetic April 9 2018 10: 50
      +3
      Quote: Babalaykin
      This system is turned off by default, while it’s calm.

      It is in sleep mode, it can be activated directly from Kazbek, or from the ACC, where information from numerous sensor gauges flows, automatically
      1. Babalaykin
        Babalaykin April 9 2018 18: 41
        +1
        I think there is a normal mode, and when everything "works", this mode already when they turn on fried smells ... maybe it’s turned on now.
    3. ser6119
      ser6119 April 12 2018 12: 31
      0
      For the "Perimeter (Dead Hand)) there are enough reels, there is no answer from distant stations, the reels are disconnected and doomsday rockets are launched!
  7. zulusuluz
    zulusuluz April 9 2018 06: 56
    +11
    The funny thing is that the "computer" for such a system really can not be personal. This will be a spaced network of meters with several data collection and processing systems duplicating each other, on the basis of which a decision will be made on the outbreak of war using nuclear weapons.
    Let me give you a modern car as an example - the sensors are spaced around the car, the radio is often in the trunk, and all the data flows into the brains and is transmitted to the torpedo - there is a screen for the radio and the on-board computer. Moreover, this system “thinks” thousands of times worse than a personal computer. However, it performs its tasks.
    1. AlNikolaich
      AlNikolaich April 9 2018 22: 26
      +1
      How to say ... Modern car engines spin up to 8000 revolutions. And, for example, the MIKAS-17,9,7 controller must provide four thousand pulses of the ignition system, and the same number of pulses to the fuel injectors, adjusting the parameters when interrogating the main sensors, according to the laid down algorithms! This is in conditions of unstable power, large temperature differences, and serious vibrations. So, in comparison with the PC, there is no time to think of the engine control system, it just works instantly. Also with ABS braking system, anti-skid system, and traction control. And all this in mass production, with the proper quality and reliability. In addition to Mikas, January is also released, and Itelma. All this is domestic production, and no matter how new!
      It is clear that the defense uses achievements that are much more advanced, and apparently for a long time ...
  8. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 9 2018 06: 57
    +1
    30 liters of alcohol per month! ”

    Yes, it’s familiar about the alcohol issued to the equipment. Half reached the equipment itself, at best. The B-70 gasoline was used to replace alcohol. bully
    1. Amateur
      Amateur April 9 2018 07: 07
      +6
      Barbarian! plain office gum (soft white, red spoiled contacts)
      1. StVahmistr
        StVahmistr April 13 2018 09: 27
        0
        (soft white, red spoiled contacts)

        What kind of contacts are you talking about? The reading heads were wiped with alcohol! We have anyway. And nothing more. Well, sometimes the throat was also wiped for prevention. lol
    2. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee April 9 2018 07: 12
      +4
      A thin layer was reached by the exhaust of the midshipman, after yesterday's libations! good
    3. Wilderness
      Wilderness April 9 2018 08: 20
      +2
      Yes. I have never seen alcohol either. There was gasoline, I don’t remember the brand, the appearance and consistency are similar to that of alcohol, but the smell and taste are different (((, they wiped the dust, there is nothing to wipe inside the kits, there all the contacts are gold and platinum (with a thick layer!).
      1. Senior manager
        Senior manager April 9 2018 09: 54
        +3
        Of course, the pin flowed enough river and past the equipment, but experience is a great thing. Blocks who did not want to work without high-quality alcohol received the product in the proper amount.
      2. Mestny
        Mestny April 9 2018 09: 56
        0
        That's it. What can be wiped there - in sealed connectors of the SR?
    4. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I April 9 2018 10: 05
      +6
      "Techno-monster" you, sir! The equipment that "feeds" you - gasoline belay ! No, I honestly cleaned
      equipment with alcohol! .... alcohol, however, still remained in "excess" ... you can see the standards for technical regulations were very generous .. what
      1. andj61
        andj61 April 9 2018 12: 00
        +4
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        "Techno-monster" you, sir! The equipment that "feeds" you - gasoline belay ! No, I honestly cleaned
        equipment with alcohol! .... alcohol, however, still remained in "excess" ... you can see the standards for technical regulations were very generous .. what

        From the financial part - disposal: justify the consumption of alcohol. Justification is given - in the cockpit of a computer complex 10,5 thousand transistors; each transistor has 2 pn junctions per wipe wassat each pn junction requires 0,5 g of alcohol; frequency of service - 1 time per month. Total - 10,5 liters HIS per month! And this is in addition to the contacts spent on wiping! drinks
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I April 9 2018 12: 36
          +5
          Quote: andj61
          Justification is given - in the cab of the 10,5 computing complex, thousand transistors; each transistor has an 2 pn junction; 0,5 g of alcohol is required to wipe each pn junction; frequency of service - 1 once a month. Total - 10,5 l HIS per month! And this is in addition to the contacts spent on wiping!

          lol And what? Sometimes this really happened! yes I will not deny! repeat It’s necessary to take into account such a “nuance” ....: my bosses were good .... I didn’t run into sanctions ... but when “santantui” was arranged in the “office” in honor of this or that state holiday, then from me taken a "quitrent"!
    5. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 9 2018 20: 23
      +3
      Quote: aszzz888
      The B-70 gasoline was used to replace alcohol.

      Barbarians! There was isopropyl alcohol instead of technical. Every morning, in practice, he wiped them with the heads of the HDD and NML. And then he put the ISOT disc sandwiches. smile
      Ehhh ... it was good then in the EC: on the street under 30, and inside it was stable +21. A little more - and the ADCU went crazy, producing an incoherent set of characters.
  9. oracul
    oracul April 9 2018 07: 14
    +2
    And the author will be happy from what he wrote. In military affairs it is always like this: some people think that THIS is, others that THIS is not. Well, let them be ignorant. There is - well, no - also not bad, but suddenly there is. Let them search, but suddenly there is. They don’t want to try it for a tooth, but all the teeth will fly out.
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 April 9 2018 11: 35
      +8
      Quote: oracul
      the author will be happy from what he composed.

      Not only to the author. yes I got one nostalgic moment from the article: the PC “Agat”. fellow Damn it, 1987, 8th grade, first computer science lessons ... Thanks to Kaptsov for an excursion into childhood. laughing By the way, the Šilalis monitor.
  10. Herculesic
    Herculesic April 9 2018 07: 33
    +11
    Oleg, not in reproach, but apparently, the toad strangled you that they did not give you secret information on a particular topic, since you wrote such an article! Many on the site are deprived of the right of access to classified information, but they do not pour their bile, like you in the form of such messages, to the average person on the site!
    1. Mestny
      Mestny April 9 2018 09: 58
      +6
      The worst thing is that he probably writes about the rest with about the same level of competence.
      It doesn’t seem like a teenager, though ... Anything can happen. This is a known state of the brain and not age.
      1. Wilderness
        Wilderness April 9 2018 10: 30
        +1
        Maybe an American spy? The political officer told us about such people. I still see the nameplate before my eyes: "The enemy is eavesdropping!")))
        1. Mestny
          Mestny April 9 2018 12: 10
          +1
          Or maybe just alternatively talented?
  11. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur April 9 2018 08: 13
    +4
    The article is written in a trend by our media: in Russia there is nothing but drunkards, bad roads, floods and fires. And then the whole World with amazement listens to our president about missiles on other physical principles. Oleg Kaptsov keep it up: in Russia there is nothing and everything is bad.
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky April 9 2018 10: 13
      +14
      Quote: Seraphimamur
      The article is written in a trend by our media: in Russia there is nothing but drunkards, bad roads, floods and fires. And then the whole World with amazement listens to our president about missiles on other physical principles. Oleg Kaptsov keep it up: in Russia there is nothing and everything is bad.

      But he probably firmly believes that the Americans walked on the moon.
      1. G A_2
        G A_2 April 9 2018 16: 12
        +2
        It begins. Footprint on the moon from shoes and not from the sole on the suit
        1. Babalaykin
          Babalaykin April 9 2018 18: 45
          0
          Of course, I do not refute, but in the place of the Nazis I would put it with those slippers in which they went.
          1. G A_2
            G A_2 April 9 2018 20: 19
            +4

            Yes, these slippers
  12. Goodmen
    Goodmen April 9 2018 08: 59
    +2
    Think so. If the system of delivering the INEVITABLE AUTOMATIC RESPONSE BEAT existed, then we would talk about it at the highest official level. She, as an effective element of deterrence. Otherwise, what's the use of her if the probable opponent does not know about her? And judging by the article about her only in the media is mentioned in interviews with "experts".
    Logically, it seems. I am very far from the Strategic Rocket Forces, but still try to reason based on the available information.
    1. Wilderness
      Wilderness April 9 2018 09: 24
      +3
      Yes, it’s not necessary to talk about it, it’s enough that “we know what they know”, to fiddle with this topic on every corner ... no one wants to be known as a bloodthirsty maniac.
    2. av58
      av58 April 9 2018 09: 29
      +1
      Maybe you want a written reference? laughing
    3. Mestny
      Mestny April 9 2018 09: 59
      +2
      Just about her heard and read everything.
      I assure you, there is nothing particularly complicated in such a system. On the contrary.
    4. andj61
      andj61 April 9 2018 12: 03
      +2
      Rumors and speculation in this regard will do much more than official recognition! hi
  13. av58
    av58 April 9 2018 09: 28
    +4
    Oleg Kaptsov, complaining about the silence of officials and experts about the "Dead Hand", apparently believes that he is obliged to share information on the highest state secrets with him laughing
  14. Senior manager
    Senior manager April 9 2018 09: 48
    +1
    The author of the article for president would be the FSA, for a try. What if the system is malfunctioning?
  15. sxfRipper
    sxfRipper April 9 2018 10: 00
    +6
    electromagnetic impulse disabling electronics
    Oleg, have you heard anything about lamps and ferrite memory?
    And I remember alcohol - Duc, as I wrote in the applications - To wipe the optical axes of a cathode ray tube. Everyone understood everything, neighing together, but the alcohol was regular!
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 April 9 2018 10: 17
      +7
      A cool thing is ferrite, it’s not afraid of radiation, and EMP is like that, scratch it slightly!
      Schaub from the "memory" to knock down it is necessary to create such an impulse, wow! One trouble, he SING so that the whistle in his ears then stands for a long time!
      True, semiconductor control electronics can be disabled, but only when it is turned on, in passive mode it is necessary to use something powerful and VERY much!
    2. alstr
      alstr April 9 2018 10: 27
      +10
      The funny thing is that no computer is needed and no memory is needed. Enough simple relays that operate either in the absence of a signal, or when the threshold level is exceeded. (this is exaggerated, because there will be a weight coefficient. relay).
      Further, the operation of a certain threshold actually launches the system for execution. All.
    3. dzuar saubarag
      dzuar saubarag April 9 2018 11: 55
      +6
      I agree! Analog technologies relate to these impulses as they do not care. And the author’s statement that, de do not show other components of the system cause emotion. Maybe he will offer to hold a press conference on all secret objects? Survival of the sensors mentioned - what kind of survival - managed to fix once, in the other it is no longer needed from the word at all! Again, "our Western partners" are somehow not inclined to doubt its existence, judging by the press. Moreover, the authors and publications are at a fairly decent level. I generally have a thought that information about the existence of the Perimeter system was deliberately "merged" in the early 90s ... So to speak, to avoid!
  16. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky April 9 2018 10: 09
    +3
    Nothing is known about the mythical system ........
    Abiding yes?!))) You know less, sleep better. Right here in the magazine "Young Technician" or "Do it yourself" everything should be painted on this system.
    Whether or not this system does not matter .... The bottom line is that even the thought of Russia having such a system greatly reduces the enemy’s temptation to deliver a leading strike.
  17. Avenich
    Avenich April 9 2018 10: 27
    +1
    In order to analyze the data coming from the above sensors, a smartphone (“smart sound far”) is not needed. If little brains are thrown around the tree, then the computer is not really needed, a couple of hundred triggers. And the presence of electromagnetic radiation or any other impact from a nuclear weapon, next to the command center, is an iron argument in favor of bringing the system to execution. Another thing is the “hacker stability" of such systems ... as one Yankovsky general painted. Here I have no counter arguments.
    1. Wilderness
      Wilderness April 9 2018 10: 39
      +6
      I can’t even imagine how you can hack a sensible ensign with a knife switch — he doesn’t take a liter of alcohol between his ears or a liter of alcohol on an empty stomach (they’ve tried). If only a thermonuclear charge hang on it?
    2. dzuar saubarag
      dzuar saubarag April 9 2018 12: 01
      +2
      If the system is "closed", then there is no need to talk about any hacking! It is not connected to the Internet, you can’t insert a flash drive into it. It’s not known where it’s located, and even if some wise guy tries to go where it’s not necessary, it’s there ... So, it must be assumed that hackers are shining
      1. Avenich
        Avenich April 9 2018 12: 11
        +1
        No, Dmitry, if the military system, and even the strategic one, then it must be connected to the Internet. If not connected, then there is no use in it. Moreover, she, this system, is many times weaker than a smartphone. Yes, and by the way, there is a password for such systems, top-secret: "password". So there are hackers where to frolic.
        1. dzuar saubarag
          dzuar saubarag April 9 2018 14: 42
          0
          Intranet is possible! But the Internet is dumb fools. An intranet in a tricky form should be the default, in the mode of continuous information and probable data exchange. But the external connection to the network has nothing to do there! And as for the top-secret password ... The security system can and should be multi-level! Strictly speaking, the entrance to the system itself should be carried out only in communication partners, in order to avoid all kinds of "pranksters". In addition, the very architecture of the network and the principles of its construction, and even data exchange protocols, can be very damn different from our usual ones, due to the age of creation and customer requirements.
  18. Blue fox
    Blue fox April 9 2018 10: 48
    +3
    When the author writes articles and relies on open data from foreign sources and his colleagues who are skeptical of such data begin to correct him gently, this is unauthorized. But when the author himself does not have any little information, but draws conclusions and makes estimates, then this is normal. :)))
    Somehow illogical, don’t you? :))
    Dear author, when you talk about the capabilities of Aegis BIUS, you give it its due, how many parameters and signals this system monitors, while interacting with similar ship and coast-based systems, but do not assume that several computer centers are networked, but not limited by the need to place them on a ship of relatively small sizes, they are able to analyze many sensors, commands and other sources of information. Nonsense.
  19. podgornovea
    podgornovea April 9 2018 11: 08
    +1
    Oops !!!
    “At the time of its introduction, the M-13 was the most powerful supercomputer system in the world, losing the title in 1985 to the Cray-2 supercomputer. For many reasons, Cray-2 and M-13 were never compared directly.
    In total, about 20 machines were produced, the bulk of which solved missile defense problems. Three main models and a number of modifications, differing in completeness, were envisaged. All models are software compatible. "
    "Depending on the execution, M-13 could contain 8, 5, 17 or 34 MB of RAM and 4, 8 or 16 processors, showing the performance of the Central processor part, respectively, in 12, 24 or 48 million op./s. [1] The maximum equivalent speed for the Specialized processor part: 1,3 [2] —2,4 billion op./s. "
  20. Earnest
    Earnest April 9 2018 12: 24
    +2
    Quote: Goodmen
    Think so. If the system of delivering the INEVITABLE AUTOMATIC RESPONSE BEAT existed, then we would talk about it at the highest official level. She, as an effective element of deterrence. Otherwise, what's the use of her if the probable opponent does not know about her? And judging by the article about her only in the media is mentioned in interviews with "experts".
    Logically, it seems. I am very far from the Strategic Rocket Forces, but still try to reason based on the available information.

    Just believe me - there is a system. But not as Kaptsov came up with (supposedly the decision-maker herself based on artificial intelligence), namely, as a complex of command missiles and repeaters. Its meaning is that the launch order after the decision of the Supreme High Command to strike will be guaranteedly delivered to the performers even under the influence of falling bombs, working saboteurs, in the event of the destruction of our command posts, relay communication centers, etc. In short, the algorithm is as follows: the enemy started the war - the president ordered a reply - the order to launch nuclear missiles went by wire, by radio, and just in case, extra satellites were sent into space, continuously transmitting the order “to shoot everyone”. These satellites are a complex of command missiles - part of the Perimeter system. I bring a photo from the Internet:

    The photo on the right shows a very large antenna (similar to a chess queen with a white “eye” at the top), designed to receive signals from these command missiles. This antenna is the best proof of the existence of the system since the 1960's.
    1. sxfRipper
      sxfRipper April 9 2018 14: 38
      +1
      there is a system. But not like Kaptsov came up with
      This is he films about Swarchenegger revised laughing !
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 9 2018 20: 54
      0
      An order from a nuclear case is distributed using government command posts and AWACS A 50 and A 100 airplanes, these aircraft, not missiles, are relaying the order and ICBM launch codes throughout Russia, as well as via satellite communications to submarines, in anywhere in the oceans. Why not a rocket - because it must be launched from the beginning, and this is a precious time 3 - 4 minutes - air command posts are in the air constantly - the command is transmitted for several seconds.
  21. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 April 9 2018 13: 28
    0
    Is there a dead hand roofing felts, no roofing felts? Now think! And then there’s an underwater Dead Hand arrived — an underwater drone with a nuclear propulsion device. And what, he programmed it and it lies deep for the time being (I fantasize), and now you think Trump - is it true or fake. And that this compassionate author suddenly began to reassure the bourgeois? Like, sleep peacefully gentlemen of the bourgeois. No, let them make bones at night! Think gentlemen, how and when a Russian underwater drone will turn out from under the water and end your life once and for all. And consider the probability of this achievement.
  22. Rusfaner
    Rusfaner April 9 2018 14: 14
    +4
    Uncle author, in the alleged system of automatic retaliation, in the case of a nuclear attack, a computer is not needed at all! Such a system is easily implemented on the so-called "tough" logic. And for invulnerability it can generally be done on rod radio tubes - a big device will be! So, in the underground bunker of Doomsday there is something to save a place for - nobody will need it anymore!
    1. sxfRipper
      sxfRipper April 9 2018 14: 42
      +3
      A computer is not needed at all! Such a system is easily implemented on the so-called "tough" logic. And for invulnerability it can generally be done on rod radio tubes - a big device will be!
      Yes, the simpler - the more reliable. Suppose that the enemy still flashed a vigorous bomb at N. N - to smithereens, including all the electrical wiring in it (both explicit and secret). And at that moment, the power supply to the relay in some kind of a bearish corner stopped. Open contacts closed ... And that’s it!
  23. Berg berg
    Berg berg April 9 2018 14: 46
    +3
    How easy it is to rant about a topic if you yourself are not in the topic! The writer immediately beats in the forehead, "was there a boy!?" And immediately he answers, well, I don’t know if he could, or maybe not, but not like that! And immediately another quote pops up, "but who will tell you, are you a monument!" Want to see this system in action? Me not ! And I don’t want to check it either, and the West doesn’t want to either, and this is for the best!
  24. Old26
    Old26 April 9 2018 15: 41
    +1
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    But I didn’t see 30 liters of sew!

    Bylo. In this I agree with Oleg. I can’t say how much exactly, but it always stood out for certain products for routine maintenance. I had 3-4 dozens of products under the name "Granite" on my balance sheet (I was a matvestvest department). Even unidentified alcohol stood out. 1,5 liters a month came out. On a computer type EC-1033. namely, Oleg was most likely talking about this and up to 30 liters could stand out ....

    And Oleg! Take it easy. The system "Perimeter" is, exists and is developing. And how exactly does it work - we don’t really need to know this. We know that there is such a BU subsystem as command missiles - and this is enough. By the way, neither Gorn nor Sirens can be found on the net. so do they not exist or did not exist? It doesn’t bother me much (the absence of these photos), For example, Temp-2S ICBMs - there aren’t her photos either, so what ????
  25. vvp2412
    vvp2412 April 9 2018 16: 07
    +1
    Without even starting to read the article, I realized who scribbled it!
    Oleg! You are recognizable by the headlines! You can’t be so predictable and primitive! If I found out by the title of the article who wrote it, then I definitely don’t need to read THIS! Until!
    1. tech3030
      tech3030 April 12 2018 08: 54
      +1
      And I think such articles are needed if only for knowledgeable people to enlighten the people, there are professional explanations in the comments.
  26. BAI
    BAI April 9 2018 16: 20
    +2
    Why is the system artificial intelligence?
    How can she even work in a nuclear attack?
    At these points, the most important — and the most secret — component of the “Perimeter”, an autonomous control-command system, operates. It is believed that this is a complex software package created on the basis of artificial intelligence. Receiving data on negotiations in the air, radiation field and other radiation in the control points, information systems, early detection of launches, seismic activity, it is able to draw conclusions about the fact of a massive nuclear attack.

    During a nuclear war, none of this will be recorded, everything will be burned.
    For the functioning of the system you need the simplest and most reliable algorithm without brains. For example - I did not receive any conditional signal during the signal (it is possible according to the "2 of 3" principle) - that's it, start. And no computer. And a minimum of energy consumption.
    Therefore, all these descriptions are for looking away (in my opinion).
  27. Micfoster
    Micfoster April 9 2018 16: 43
    +1
    Let me remind you again, especially for Oleg! An ideal machine is a machine which is NOT, but its functions are performed. It does not matter if there is a perimeter or not, the main thing is that its functions are performed!
  28. Yar_Vyatkin
    Yar_Vyatkin April 9 2018 18: 22
    +2
    The author is wrong. There is also a system of command missiles (and the Perimeter has long been replaced by another system, in the same Yuri, and it is already on a new one), and a system capable of making decisions on strikes, in the case of a reliably established fact that more no one. Although without the "horrors of SkyNet". And there is a lot of things that no one wrote about and never will. Of course, no one will prove anything to you.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 9 2018 20: 59
      0
      There are no command missiles, since launching and launching at the calculated height is a long matter - and no one will throw several ICBMs out of the nuclear triad.
  29. Old26
    Old26 April 9 2018 18: 55
    +2
    Quote: Yar_Vyatkin
    The author is wrong. There is also a system of command missiles (moreover, the Perimeter has long been replaced by another system, in the same Yurye, and it is already a new one).

    The "perimeter" is not replaced by anything. He just as he was. Now the truth is not just "Perimeter", but with letters. But the complex missile missiles really replaced. 15A11 replaced by the Siren. Is it replaced with a new one - while there is no official information. Although information about a new rocket once passed. But whether it is a command missile or not is unknown
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 9 2018 21: 05
      0
      Command missiles do not make sense, since there are air command posts that are constantly in the air - they are replaced, their capabilities are significantly superior to ICBMs with a transmitter.
      1. dim7ka
        dim7ka April 9 2018 22: 36
        +1
        Quote: Vadim237
        Command missiles do not make sense, since there are air command posts that are constantly in the air - they are replaced, their capabilities are significantly superior to ICBMs with a transmitter.

        Accept the sedative and stop spamming nonsense. We do not have so many CPSUs so that they fly continuously.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 10 2018 00: 26
          0
          A total of 23 aircraft - for constant flights, more than enough, they have the same refueling bar in the air, for such flights.
          1. dim7ka
            dim7ka April 10 2018 10: 05
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            Quote: Vadim237
            A total of 23 aircraft - for constant flights, more than enough, they have the same refueling bar in the air, for such flights.

            Where do they come from 23m?
            We have only 2 modernized VKPs based on the Il-86 and 2 on the basis of the Il-76 + several more Tu-214 repeaters. Mustache
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 April 10 2018 19: 19
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              The 144th Aviation Regiment DRLO 15 aircraft A 50 and 4 A 50U + 4 VKP based on the IL 86 - all in service.
              1. dim7ka
                dim7ka April 10 2018 22: 32
                +1
                Quote: Vadim237
                The 144th Aviation Regiment DRLO 15 aircraft A 50 and 4 A 50U + 4 VKP based on the IL 86 - all in service.

                AWACS have nothing to do with strategic nuclear forces, end your addiction already
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 April 13 2018 22: 34
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                  It has, since after modernization they got the opportunity to communicate with all the troops, including the Strategic Missile Forces.
      2. Yar_Vyatkin
        Yar_Vyatkin April 10 2018 00: 31
        +2
        You confuse a chisel with a file, calm down. VKP is VKP, as well as ZKP and PKP are points of management, and command rockets, along with a bunch of other systems, are means of GUARANTEED bringing orders to the stage of immediate execution, do you understand?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 10 2018 08: 48
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          Immediate execution is guaranteed only by every second connection, and it can only be provided by aircraft of the CPSU, AWACS satellites and terrestrial cable communications.
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA April 10 2018 10: 01
            +1
            Quote: Vadim237
            Immediate execution is guaranteed only by every second connection, and it can only be provided by aircraft of the CPSU, AWACS satellites and terrestrial cable communications.

            This is ideally a retaliatory strike. And the "perimeter" was counting on a retaliatory strike. When the CPSU is gone. And there are no satellites - for part of the UBC of a probable adversary rushed in space, burning out the "eyes" of SPRIAU, and at the same time all the satellites in the area and jamming radio communications on the ground. And the cable connection is damaged.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 April 10 2018 19: 24
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              SPRN systems see take-off missiles on the territory of the enemy - withdrawing from our satellite group and at the same time ours, spending on this warheads of which there are so few - to put it mildly silly.
      3. Blue fox
        Blue fox April 10 2018 09: 38
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        That’s what the author of the article is right about, it’s in the missile division in Yurye and its missiles :) My classmate served there until 2010. So command missile repeaters are one of the components.
    2. Yar_Vyatkin
      Yar_Vyatkin April 10 2018 00: 29
      +2
      Command. About letters - in the course, but in fact this is already a new system. Yes, and the ASBU is completely new, and the author drives a blizzard with a shovel about "outdated communication systems." It is better for him not to touch on topics related to strategic nuclear forces and strategic stability.
  30. Vladimir Sedelnikov
    Vladimir Sedelnikov April 9 2018 19: 43
    +1
    The author is not really an engineer. But trying to reason on these topics. Why computers? What is there to count ?! Bullshit for shkolota. Do you need them for burglar alarms in an apartment, garage or in the country? The sensor worked (conditionally, Geiger counter) - alarm. Does the author know what a watchdog timer is in electronics? The reset signal did not come in the set period - it worked. Well, who's stopping you from solving the problem in the forehead? There is no reset from command centers, not one + sensors showed radiation - well, that's it, launch. Of course, this is so, a primitive scenario, for example - but it is realizable and absolutely does not require powerful computers.
  31. bogart047
    bogart047 April 9 2018 21: 11
    +1
    how Americans with their low-power computers flew to the moon, huh? They took a bite ... and already a super-campuhter with rockets, where can we ...
  32. Earnest
    Earnest April 9 2018 21: 54
    +1
    Quote: Vadim237
    An order from a nuclear case is distributed using government command posts and AWACS A 50 and A 100 airplanes, these aircraft, not missiles, are relaying the order and ICBM launch codes throughout Russia, as well as via satellite communications to submarines, in anywhere in the oceans. Why not a rocket - because it must be launched from the beginning, and this is a precious time 3 - 4 minutes - air command posts are in the air constantly - the command is transmitted for several seconds.

    "Hand face" wassat Wild what a fantasy
  33. Old26
    Old26 April 9 2018 21: 57
    +2
    Quote: Vadim237
    There are no command missiles, since launching and launching at the calculated height is a long matter - and no one will throw several ICBMs out of the nuclear triad.

    You tell this to those who serve them, that they are not .... They will laugh at something ...

    Quote: Vadim237
    Command missiles do not make sense, since there are air command posts that are constantly in the air - they are replaced, their capabilities are significantly superior to ICBMs with a transmitter.

    Yah? probably the CPSU is something unbreakable, it will probably work even with a supernova explosion? What nonsense. VKP is one thing. The backup combat control system is another. It is through it that it is possible to issue a command from these VKPs if all other subsystems cease to function
    And further. rocket to cross the territory of Russia from west to east take 10-15 minutes. How much does the CPSU need in a nuclear attack? An hour, two, five? And after that you say that the CPSU is superior to the rocket from the transmitters? Well, do not be so stupid ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 10 2018 00: 28
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      The CPSU has a connection with all radars and satellites - it will transmit a command faster than a rocket.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 10 2018 00: 47
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      Rather, to say "who served them" missiles then these are no longer doing. Russia has 23 AWACS and VKP airplanes - who is who, and they carry out combat duty every day, how and who will shoot them down. Enemy missiles will fly for 20-30 minutes during this time, the SPRN systems will detect the missiles and give out a missile attack signal, and then all the information goes to the nuclear case and then, three communication lines - the fourth in the form of a signal missile is not needed, since the first three are out of order do not withdraw, they will not stop functioning, in any case.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA April 10 2018 10: 11
        +3
        Quote: Vadim237
        Rather, to say "who served them" missiles then these are no longer doing.

        That is, fake contests are placed on public procurements? Urgently call Navalny! smile
        Quote: Vadim237
        Enemy missiles will fly for 20-30 minutes during this time, the SPRN systems will detect the missiles and give out a missile attack signal, and then all the information goes to the nuclear case and then, three communication lines - the fourth in the form of a signal missile is not needed, since the first three are out of order do not withdraw, they will not stop functioning, in any case.

        This is ideal. And in real life these 20-30 minutes may not be: they will hit us from somewhere in Poland or the Barents Sea - and the entire strict system will collapse, tied to having 20 minutes to make a decision. The satellites were burned out in orbit, radio communication was disrupted (the Yankees somehow lost half of the Pacific Ocean’s communications in space and then refused to experiment), the wired connection was partially disabled, and some of the CP connections did not respond.
        The "perimeter" was designed to work just in the worst-case scenario of a retaliatory strike, when the adversary attack system had already reached the positions of our ICBMs and strategic missile forces. And its task is to guarantee the return launch of all the remaining "alive" ICBMs with the regular communication disabled.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 10 2018 19: 31
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          "From Poland" With what - cruise missiles, they will fly for about 50 minutes. From the Barents Sea, ICBMs will fly for 7 minutes, they will be detected in the first five seconds of the flight - the launch command will be instantaneous when the warheads fall, all our ICBMs will be in flight in two minutes.
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA April 11 2018 18: 16
            +1
            Quote: Vadim237
            "From Poland" With what - cruise missiles, they will fly for about 50 minutes.

            What is stopping the US from reviving the Pershing? Fortunately, the INF Treaty is already de facto dead.
            Quote: Vadim237
            From the Barents Sea, ICBMs will fly for 7 minutes, they will be detected in the first five seconds of the flight - the launch command will be instantaneous when the warheads fall, all our ICBMs will be in flight in two minutes.

            5 minutes to make a decision, bring it to the performers and go through the start-up procedure? It is fantastic.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 April 13 2018 22: 36
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              All missiles will launch within one minute.
  34. Earnest
    Earnest April 9 2018 22: 06
    +1
    Quote: Vadim237
    There are no command missiles, since launching and launching at the calculated height is a long matter - and no one will throw several ICBMs out of the nuclear triad.

    What nonsense ... That is, the approach of American or British missiles is also a long matter? Then why rush? Are you friends with logic? The fantasy is stormy, it is, especially about the "alternating Avkas A-50 and A-100 relaying the signal from the nuclear case". What kind of dunno trolling? What ceiling did you take 3-4 minutes to start from? Here you have a video on which it takes 35 seconds directly to start
    http://video.sibnet.ru/rub/535931/video1425228-Vy
    i_zadumyivalis_skolko_nado_vremeni_dlya_zapuska_r
    aketyi_topol_m /
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 10 2018 00: 30
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      Does your rocket reach NOU in 35 seconds?
  35. Earnest
    Earnest April 9 2018 22: 20
    +2
    A knowledgeable person explained why the Perimeter system was called Dead Hand. The thing is that if the Strategic Missile Forces are put on alert corresponding to the outbreak of war, then according to a special algorithm, each launcher, in the event of loss of all types of communication with its command post, includes a system for receiving a start command from ANY command post, the main thing is that the ciphers are valid . It can be a signal over wires, over a variety of radio frequencies, including satellite ones. There are several antennas on one launcher, including shielded ones (underground), and each launcher is connected to other launchers according to the “loopback” principle. That is, the launcher can also pass the order to the "neighbor", whose connection with the control point has disappeared. So it turns out - the missile unit commander is already dead, and his rocket still received an order and flew. It’s like with the removal of the hour post in the event of the death of the guard and the head of the guard — the guard on duty with the company commander will come, and the sentry will be subordinate to them.
    1. dim7ka
      dim7ka April 9 2018 22: 54
      +1
      Here is the most adequate comment from Earnest
      And the Perimeter developer writes about the same
      In 2011, NGOs completed work on the fourth generation of the Strategic Missile Forces ACS. The new system is based on a digital signal transmission system and, along with the solution of traditional tasks of bringing orders, collecting reports and monitoring the readiness of launchers, provides an automated change of application plans and operational re-aiming of missiles. At the same time, control orders are transmitted using communication paths formed by wired, radio and satellite communication channels and having the necessary survivability and noise immunity, directly to the launchers, bypassing the intermediate links, including in conditions of electronic suppression by the enemy.
      Each equipment complex, created using the latest domestic element base, provides three-fold redundancy of control equipment, a communication and data transmission system, and troubleshooting is localized accurate to the typical element to be replaced.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 10 2018 01: 00
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        The developer writes about updating the Strategic Missile Forces control system. There is no perimeter, since the enemy does not have the ability to quietly launch missiles, for a disarming strike there are neither cruise missiles nor ICBMs.
        1. dim7ka
          dim7ka April 10 2018 09: 56
          +1
          Quote: Vadim237
          The developer writes about updating the Strategic Missile Forces control system. There is no perimeter, since the enemy does not have the ability to quietly launch missiles, for a disarming strike there are neither cruise missiles nor ICBMs.

          And then what is the perimeter?
          In 1981, I. E. Voinov, V. M. Zuev, V. I. Melnik, V. A. Morozov, B. M. Yakovlev were awarded the title of Laureates of the USSR State Prize for the creation of an ACS for special communications.
          In November 1985 was adopted first stage of the backup management system Design Bureau "Impulse", in March 1986 - the control equipment of the mobile complex backup control system.
    2. Dezinto
      Dezinto April 10 2018 00: 33
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      In short, it is clear. The final will be like that.



      People will exchange bombing, without the participation of people ......

  36. 3danimal
    3danimal April 10 2018 07: 52
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    Quote: NEXUS
    Praising Zamvoly, F-35th and so on, domestic, he often watered with open slop with the appearance of a great connoisseur.

    You exaggerate about the slop. You know, some mothers are offended when they are told (objectively) that their child is not the best thing, a comparison suggests itself) Blind love prevents one from realizing the situation and setting achievable goals.
    And the same Zamvolt and Lightning-2 are significantly ahead of the Russian Federation level of electronics and propulsion systems.
  37. 3danimal
    3danimal April 10 2018 07: 54
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    Quote: NEXUS
    It would be very strange if the existence of the Perimeter (the Russian name for the system) were spoken at all levels of the Kremlin,

    As far as we know, in the early 90s very many spoke about a lot.
  38. Old26
    Old26 April 10 2018 08: 45
    +1
    Quote: Yar_Vyatkin
    Command. About letters - in the course, but in fact this is already a new system. Yes, and the ASBU is completely new, and the author drives a blizzard with a shovel about "outdated communication systems." It is better for him not to touch on topics related to strategic nuclear forces and strategic stability.

    Well, if in this sense - I agree

    Quote: Vadim237
    The CPSU has a connection with all radars and satellites - it will transmit a command faster than a rocket.

    In a nuclear war? And radars will be intact and satellites intact? Do you seriously consider this? Are you actually sure that these CPSUs will be capable of the OVU variant ???

    Quote: Vadim237
    Rather, to say "who served them" missiles then these are no longer doing.

    Vadim! No need to juggle. Or rather will say exactly - THE ONE WHO SERVES ON THEM. And do not give out your personal thoughts and ideas as the ultimate truth ...

    Quote: Vadim237
    Russia has 23 AWACS and VKP planes - who is who, and they carry out combat duty every day, how and who will shoot them down ..

    Russia has more such aircraft. The A-50 register alone has about 26-28 aircraft, plus 4 minimum modernized A-50Us, plus 4 VKP Il-80, plus 2 VKP Il-82, plus a minimum of 5 TU-214SR and 2 TU-214SUS aircraft .
    But first, throw out the A-50 and A-50U planes from there. These are FAR AND CONTROL Aircraft EXCESSIVE ACCIDENT. And no contact points with satellites and radars
    What will they shoot down with? You probably never heard that planes like AWACS and VKP are the primary goals for air defense missiles and IA ??? Or do you think that the range of communication systems of the CPSU is unlimited? Alas .... What will they try to bring down? What will be at hand ... so whether you want it or not, the CPSU planes are essentially only 6, plus a couple of SLAs and five relay heels

    Quote: Vadim237
    Enemy missile flight 20-30 minutes during this time SPRN systems will detect missiles and give a signal a missile attack.

    "It was smooth on paper, but forgot about the ravines ...". A missile launched from the Norwegian Sea will hit the target in 7-10 minutes. And it’s not at all a fact that this will be a mass launch. So, to be guaranteed that such a launch is not an accident with the enemy, we will contact the "Hot Line". It will take another 3-5 minutes at least. Moreover, the president, with all his desire, cannot a priori launch nuclear missiles without the participation of the Moscow Region and the National High Command. And it is possible that during this time he simply will not be able to get to the air base of the CPSU. That's all. Their rockets have already begun to fall, but there is no answer yet. And so, in order to protect against possible emergencies, there is a reserve perimeter combat control system. Which will work if any of the other subsystems does not bring the start command from the highest to the lowest level.

    Quote: Vadim237
    and then all the information goes to the nuclear case and then, three communication lines - the fourth in the form of a signal rocket doesn’t need to, because the first three cannot be disabled, they will not stop functioning, in any case.

    Yah? What radio communication can not be derived in any case? You, Vadim are simply afraid to admit that you have "reported". Just to protect against such a situation, this subsystem exists.
    Imagine such a hypothetical situation. The President is sent to the southern regions of the country on an inspection trip. Well, relatively speaking, in the same Krasnodar or Stavropol. He has a meeting with the governor. At this point, he is informed that the SPRN system recorded the launch of 2 missiles from the enemy. One from the Mediterranean, the other from the Norwegian Sea. One hits the president’s place of residence in 4-5 minutes, the second in Moscow in 7-10 minutes. One way or another, you will have to contact Washington to find out whether this launch is authorized or not (you can use missiles from the same English boats as both southern and northern missiles. In any case, it may happen that all three cannot turn on their "nuclear suitcases" What to do then?

    Quote: Vadim237
    The developer writes about updating the Strategic Missile Forces control system. There is no perimeter, since the enemy does not have the ability to quietly launch missiles, for a disarming strike there are neither cruise missiles nor ICBMs.

    And you definitely need the word "Perimeter" to sound, If just the phrase updating the ASBU system is this not suitable for you ???
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 10 2018 19: 52
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      How do you simultaneously output cable, ground, air - hello to the CPSU and all the multifunctional A 50s, as well as satellite communications, with the Strategic Missile Forces? - And they warn about launches for early, two unauthorized launches can be immediately regarded as an attack - everyone is aware of this. Two, and even a dozen ICBMs in nuclear equipment will not destroy all command posts, as well as communications
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  40. 3danimal
    3danimal April 10 2018 16: 32
    +1
    Quote: AlNikolaich
    It is clear that the defense uses achievements that are much more advanced, and apparently for a long time ...

    You're wrong. The production of modern processors is incredibly expensive, and the military model is even more expensive. Therefore, there are few manufacturers of even "civilian" chips (the fastest, but flimsy, non-explosive) in the world. Therefore, the modern "iron" you will not see even in the American "Aegis". If the military "old men" still cope, put them. A vivid example: F-22 of the first releases worked on Intel 8086 processors, quite successfully.
  41. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion April 10 2018 19: 19
    +1
    Incorrect understanding of the situation on the analysis of rumors. The author is not in the topic, but he does not understand what it is. The only truth is that the Perimeter is not exactly what everyone is used to counting. Yes, the rumors about the Perimeter system are very hyped and made by the same people. as an author. This is not a supercomputer with artificial intelligence that will independently determine that everyone above died and launch rockets. This pancake will not skynet from the Terminator. But this does not mean that it does not exist. Only command missiles are launched automatically. The rest are done by unit commanders SNF, of course, those that will survive. In one form or another, the perimeter analogues (I do not mean the technical component, but the protocols and means for the reciprocal use of nuclear weapons in the event of a sudden attack when the top of the military leadership is out of order) are all nuclear powers But it’s guaranteed that it will work for us in view of the vast expanses of the country. And as for the impossibility of protecting against electromagnetic radiation in the 70s, I’ll reveal a terrible secret. Even a simple thin screen made of foil weakens EMR many times. And here we are talking about in-depth command posts. And you have to be an idiot to think that the strategic nuclear forces control points have no protection against it.
  42. Old26
    Old26 April 10 2018 19: 31
    +2
    Quote: Xscorpion
    . Only command missiles are automatically launched. The rest are done by the commanders of the strategic nuclear forces, of course, those who survive

    Not certainly in that way. Tests were conducted when a rocket whose mine was equipped with this system was launched without calculation
  43. sleeve
    sleeve April 10 2018 19: 38
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    And really, who was talking about a supercomputer? It was the COMMUNICATION AND CONTROL SYSTEM that was constantly discussed, but not the analysis and processing. As for the sensors and the like, communication was active, but again, very brave people seemed to bring them into a single system. All discussions in my memory and with my participation came down to the argument, "Well, somehow they came up with it all." We in life will not know how everything is really arranged, but we will hear many different versions. And it is right. But there are not so many actual statements: the essence of the system is redundant communication channels protected from EM radiation by DISCONNECTING them at the moment of waiting, the second hypostasis is the "perimeter" most likely now is VERY different than it was originally.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 13 2018 22: 39
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      EMR will not do anything to these communication channels, since everything: equipment, cables, antennas are shielded and are repeatedly protected from overvoltage.
  44. realist
    realist April 11 2018 14: 51
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    how pleasing is the fact of the deep knowledge of the honored author, and he knows everything about steamboats and it turns out about rockets! although I believe that narrow specialists have deeper knowledge, on average .....
  45. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet April 11 2018 16: 54
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    Yes, Uncle Koptsov- you goof full in this matter. No supercomputer is needed. It was enough to use SM-2M complexes with USO dispersing them over several objects. No intelligence. Golem logic. So sleep peacefully "Dead Hand" for a long time on alert .... laughing tongue wassat
  46. Svyatoslav
    Svyatoslav April 11 2018 17: 02
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    Quote: Svyatoslav
    Gentlemen officers! Keep silent !!!
    And then you have already said such things here that you confused all Nicaraguan intelligence ... They raked everything in a heap, confusing objects and subjects.
    The article is provocative. Who has served knows.
  47. Irbenwolf
    Irbenwolf April 11 2018 17: 37
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    Would you deal with Oleg boats ....

    There is no logical component in such a machine - only sensors at the kitchen timer level. Opening (closing) - contact!

    I won’t talk about radio frequencies - it’s hard for me to talk about their analysis. However, seismic, and radiation, and temperature, and even communication sensors are at the primitive level. With the accumulation of a "critical mass" of signals (triggering-not triggering of their polling systems), plus a conditional attack code (confirmed in the first minutes of the attack by the Strategic Missile Forces calculations), a command missile is sent to the path. All...

    Everything else is open and readable in the "sources".

    But in general, you are right - there is no spoon. Rather, armor, ekranoplanes, aircraft carriers, torpedoes - no.
  48. Nitarius
    Nitarius April 11 2018 19: 02
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    author .. far from real military vehicles! it sank into his head that if not a computer, then there would be nothing to organize such things on an idea! forgets that there are not only living bacteria but analog machines .. but a number of other things that are not when they will not be made public! and flights to other planets, etc.! it is a pity that he does not see wider than his keyboard!
  49. Romario_Argo
    Romario_Argo April 11 2018 19: 53
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    1986 was already the Elbrus-2 CPU developed at the Institute of Precision Mechanics and Computer Engineering (ITMiVT) in the 1970 — 1980's. Used in the DON-2N radar in Sofrino near Moscow. In 1980, work began on the installation, installation and commissioning of equipment.
  50. intuzazist
    intuzazist April 12 2018 11: 02
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    Quote: Vasily50
    It is important that a system capable of punishing an aggressor must exist.

    The system really exists! Only there is no "SKYNET" there! There is a ZSKP in the center of Russia and a unit constantly supporting its performance! As for the analysis of the situation, let the author find out when the system of distribution of consumption and redistribution of electricity was introduced in the USSR! You won’t put electricity in the warehouse! And the energy was then redistributed AUTOMATICALLY .............................
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 13 2018 22: 44
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      "You won’t put electricity in the warehouse." Well, actually you’ll put it: capacitors, ionistors, batteries, salt lenses, discharge reservoirs, super-flywheels.